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RICK: COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE REMEMBERS GRANT WOODS AFTER HIS MEMORIAL SERVICE THIS MORNING.

>>> ON CRONKITE NEWS, HOW THOSE WITH DISABILITIES ARE FINDING THINGS ESPECIALLY TOUGH IN EFFORTS TO HELP EDUCATE EMPLOYERS.

THAT'S ALL AHEAD IN THE NEXT HOUR OF ARIZONA PBS.

ANNOUNCER: THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS, MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

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RICK: GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M RICK DEBRUHL.

TED SIMONS HAS THE DAY OFF.

A CELEBRATION OF LIFE WAS HELD FOR FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL GRANT WOODS WHOSE LIFE LED A BIG WAKE IN A WIDE SWATH OF ARIZONA.

HE CONTINUED TO BE A FORCE IN POLITICS.

HE ALSO PRODUCED PLAYS AND AN ALBUM.

THE CEREMONY HAD TO BE MOVED FROM A CHURCH TO THE ORPHEUM THEATER, WOODS' EULOGIES WERE PERFORMED BY HIS WIFE, MARLENE GALAN, CHARLES BARKLEY, CINDY McCAIN AND HIS CHILDREN AS WELL.

>> I GOT TRADED HERE IN 1992, AND I REMEMBER COTTON FITZSIMMONS SAID TO ME, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WANTS TO MEET YOU.

[LAUGHTER] >> AND I SAID, COTTON, I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT ARRESTED IN ARIZONA YET.

[LAUGHTER] >> AND HE SAYS, NO, HE'S A BIG -- HE PLAYS BASKETBALL.

I SAY HE DOES?

AND I SAID, WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO.

THIS DUDE'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND TRYING TO PLAY BASKETBALL.

[LAUGHTER] >> AND IT WAS AWESOME.

IT WAS FLAT-OUT AWESOME.

THEN WE GOT TOGETHER AFTERWARDS AND HAD LUNCH AND HE SAID WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

WHAT DO I THINK?

[LAUGHTER] >> AND I SAID -- HE SAYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ME AS A BASKETBALL PLAYER?

[LAUGHTER] >> I SAID, WELL, AS ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU ARE A GREAT ATTORNEY GENERAL.

[LAUGHTER] >> AS A BASKETBALL PLAYER, YOU'RE A GREAT ATTORNEY GENERAL.

[LAUGHTER] >> ESPECIALLY DURING THE COURSE OF JOHN'S ILLNESS, NO ONE WAS BETTER AT LIFTING UP OUR SPIRITS AND LIVENING THINGS UP THAN GRANT.

JOHN SEEMED A LITTLE DOWN NOW AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST MAKE A PHONE CALL.

AND NOTHING WOULD CHANGE HIS MOOD QUICKER THAN LETTING HIM KNOW THAT GRANT HAD CALLED AND WAS ON HIS WAY UP FOR A VISIT.

>> HE WOULD LOVE THIS.

MY DAD RAN FOR ONE OFFICE, ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND ONLY A POLITICIAN FOR EIGHT YEARS.

HE LEFT OFFICE 20 YEARS AGO AND YET THE IMPACT OF HIS DEATH HIT SEEMINGLY THE ENTIRE STATE AND FAR BEYOND.

>> OUR MARRIAGE WASN'T PERFECT, BUT DAMN, IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE.

HE LOVED ME SO MUCH.

HE WANTED ME BY HIM ALL THE TIME, BUT HE UNDERSTOOD, AND I NEEDED TIME ALONE TO WORK, TO CREATE, TO WRITE, TO THINK, TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.

HIS CHILDREN.

OUR LITTLE FAMILY THAT WE CREATED TOGETHER.

RICK: WOODS DIED AT THE AGE OF 67.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, DEMOCRATS IN THE U.S. HOUSE INTRODUCED A RESOLUTION TO CENSURE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN PAUL GOSAR FOR TWEETING OUT AN ANIME VIDEO SHOWING HIM KILLING NEW YORK CONGRESSWOMAN ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ AND CHARGING AT PRESIDENT BIDEN WITH SWORDS.

DEMOCRATS SAID VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN POLITICS IS A GLOBAL PHENOMENON MEANT TO SILENCE WOMEN AND DISCOURAGE THEM FROM SEEKING POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY AND PARTICIPATING IN PUBLIC LIFE.

WITH WOMEN OF COLOR DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED.

IT'S NOT CLEAR WHEN OR IF THE HOUSE WILL VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION TO CENSURE GOSAR.

>>> FOR ONLY THE FOURTH TIME SINCE LAST WINTER, STATE HEALTH OFFICIALS REPORTED MORE THAN 4,000 NEW COVID-19 CASES TODAY.

TODAY'S REPORT OF 4447 NEW CASES DID SLD 160 LEFT OUT FROM BEFORE.

THE LAST THREE TIMES SINCE SEPTEMBER THAT MORE THAN 4,000 CASES WERE REPORTED ONE DAY ALL INCLUDED MANY MORE BACKLOGGED CASES THAN TODAY'S NUMBER.

54 DEATHS WERE REPORTED BUT A BRIGHT NOTE, HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE DOWN.

>>> TIME NOW FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, WELCOME HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES AND LAURIE ROBERTS FROM "THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC."

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US FOR BOTH OF YOU TODAY.

WE'LL START OFF TALKING ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK BRNOVICH AND TRYING TO GET THE VACCINE MANDATE FROM THE PRESIDENT KNOCKED DOWN, AND HE LOST IN COURT THIS WEEK.

HOWIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU, WHAT HAPPENED?

>> HE LOST IN A BIG WAY.

THIS IS THE CASE ABOUT THE VACCINE MANDATE ON FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND FEDERAL CONTRACTORS, THE OSHA CASE IS A DIFFERENT ONE.

BRNOVICH HAD A BIZARRE LEGAL THEORY THAT IT VIOLATED EQUAL PROTECTION TO REQUIRE VACCINES OF U.S. CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS WORKING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT NOT REQUIRING IT FROM PEOPLE WHO ENTERED THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

AND JUDGE MIKE LOBERDY SAID DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND EQUAL PROTECTION?

YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME SITUATION, TWO PEOPLE APPLYING FOR A TEACHING JOB, AND ONE IS ARAB AND ONE IS NOT AND YOU TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY.

THIS DOESN'T FLY.

THE OTHER THING THE JUDGE SAID TO HIM IS BRNOVICH IS ARGUING THIS INTERFERES WITH PEOPLE'S BODILY INTEGRITY, FORCED TO TAKE A VACCINE, AND THE JUDGE SAID NO, THEY'RE NOT.

THEY CAN EITHER TAKE THE VACCINE AND KEEP WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT OR NOT TAKE THE VACCINE.

RICK: LAURIE ROBERTS WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF HAVING THE JUDGE MAKE THIS DECISION?

>> THE SIGNIFICANCE IS THE JUDGE SAW THIS FOR WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT WAS WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT, A PLOY TO TRY TO LET THOSE WHO KNOW HE'S RUNNING FOR THE SENATE, OF COURSE, YES, HE'S RIGHT THERE WITH THEM.

VERY FAR RIGHT, THOUGH HE'S NOT THAT MUCH TO THE RIGHT, AND TRYING TO CAPTURE DESPERATELY DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT.

SO I THINK LOBERDY PUT THE KABASH ON FOOLISHNESS AND MANY ON THE FAR RIGHT ARE QUESTIONING THE JUDGE.

RICK: HERE'S THE QUESTION, SO THE FACT THAT BRNOVICH LOST, DOES IT REALLY IMPACT HIS RUNNING FOR THE U.S. SENATE?

HE'S FOUGHT THE BATTLE, IS THAT ENOUGH FOR SUPPORTERS, OR DOES LOSING MATTER?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE JUDGE GAVE HIM A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE.

LET HIM REFILE WITH NEW CLAIMS, AND THE JUDGE ALSO TO BE FAIR, POINTED OUT THERE MAY BE PROBLEMS WITH THE PRESIDENT'S ARGUMENT.

THE PRESIDENT IS ARGUING THAT THE PROCUREMENT ACT GIVES THE PRESIDENT AUTHORITY OVER FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND FEDERAL CONTRACTS TO MAKE SURE GOVERNMENT RUNS PROPERLY.

SO LOBERDY SAID WAIT A SECOND, MIKE BLOOMBERG WAS PRESIDENT AND SAID EMPLOYEES COULDN'T HAVE SUGARY SODAS, WOULD HE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT?

AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL PEOPLE YOU CAN'T EAT BIG MACS AND IF YOU HAVE STDs, TELL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES YOU CAN'T HAVE SEX?

THE FEDERAL PROSECUTOR SAID I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, I'M NOT SURE THE JUDGE IS BUYING EVERYTHING THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING BUT BRNOVICH IS SAYING AND IS CRUCIAL, THIS IS A TRUMP JUDGE, VERY CONSERVATIVE, FEDERAL SOCIETY-TYPE JUDGE, SAYING IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LEGITIMATE, I'LL ACCEPT IT, BUT DON'T KEEP THROWING STUFF AT ME.

RICK: LAURIE, DOES THIS IMPACT BRNOVICH IN TERMS OF RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES AT ALL.

HE'S ON THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ISSUE.

HE CAN SAY I FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT.

HE'S SIMPLY NOT GOING TO GET A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT, AND MIGHT AS WELL DECIDE THAT THAT'S THE CASE AND PIVOT AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

RICK: AND TO GO A STEP BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS -- LOOK AT WHO HE'S RUNNING AGAINST, A GUY WHO AGREED TO PUT $50 MILLION OF HIS OWN MONEY INTO THE RACE.

YOU HAVE OTHER FOLKS WHO MANY WAYS MORE CONSERVATIVE.

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT?

IT'S A PRESS RELEASE, BUT THIS IS WHAT ALLOWS HIM TO GO ON FOX.

HE'S UNAVOIDABLE FOR COMMENT ON FOX NEWS.

RICK: EXACTLY.

LET'S MOVE ON -- GO AHEAD, SORRY, ONE LAST COMMENT, LAURIE.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON BRNOVICH AND I'M SURE BRNOVICH NOTED IT TO HIMSELF, LIKE MASTERS, RUNNING AGAINST HIM, WHO WILL BE WELL FUNDED, HAVE FUND-RAISERS WITH DONALD TRUMP AT MAR-A-LAGO.

DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPACT OF THAT.

RICK: LAURIE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PAUL GOSAR TWEET FROM THIS WEEK, AND I WANT TO MAKE THE POINT, DOES THIS CHANGE ANYTHING?

GOSAR HAS CERTAIN OPINIONS AND DOESN'T BACK AWAY FROM WHAT OPINIONS ARE.

SUPPORTERS LIKE HIM NO MATTER WHAT.

WOULD A CENSURE MATTER TO PAUL GOSAR?

>> A CENSURE BY A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE WOULD PROBABLY HELP HIM IN A RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN, ASSUMING HE WILL RUN WHERE HE DOESN'T LIVE AND SCURRIES TO THE MOJAVE COUNTY/YAVAPAI COUNTY DISTRICT, IT WILL HELP HIM.

HE TWEETED OUT, POSTED TO VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS ANIME VIDEO WHICH HE STARS AS THE HERO, GOES AND ATTACKS AND KILLS REPRESENTATIVE OCASIO-CORTEZ, AND THEN AT THE END, HE'S FLYING THROUGH THE AIR WITH TWO SWORDS ALL READY TO HIT JOE BIDEN.

OF COURSE, IT'S AN OUTRAGEOUS THING AND DEMOCRATS HAVE SCREAMED BLOODY MURDER ABOUT IT.

INTERESTINGLY, REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN SILENT, AS IN RADIO SILENCE, NO ONE IN THE STATE, NO ONE IN CONGRESS, NOT KEVIN McCARTHY, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT PAUL GOSAR AND SAYING HE TOOK IT WAY OVER THE LINE.

YET, I REMEMBER FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN KATHY GRIFFIN DID A VIDEO AND POSTED A PICTURE OF HERSELF HOLDING WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE DECAPITATED BLOODY HEAD OF DONALD TRUMP, EVERYBODY LOST THEIR MIND OVER THE THING, AS THEY SHOULD HAVE.

SHE STEPPED OVER THE LINE AS WELL.

BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTE THAT IN THAT CASE, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, CHASTISED HER AND HER CAREER IMMEDIATELY CRUMBLED.

THIS TIME THE ONLY PEOPLE MAKING NOISE ARE DEMOCRATS.

REPUBLICANS DON'T SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM, AND GOSAR APPEARS TO HAVE NO CONSEQUENCES.

>> AND THAT'S SAD, THAT'S REALLY SAD.

RICK: IS THIS SIMPLY THE NORM NOW?

THIS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE WAY THEY COMMENT ON WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> AND THAT'S SAD BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY LEGITIMATE THINGS CAN YOU TALK ABOUT.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AOC AND WHETHER SHE'S SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, WHATEVER, THERE'S WAYS OF DOING THAT, BUT GIVEN, AS YOU POINTED OUT AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, THE QUESTION ABOUT VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

PEOPLE GET DESENSITIZED AND SAY IT'S ONLY A CARTOON.

THESE ARE THE SAME REPUBLICANS WHO SAY, WE HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN CARTOONS OFF THE AIR BECAUSE THEY'RE ENCOURAGING VIOLENCE.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

RICK: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO YET ANOTHER TOPIC, PLENTY OF TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT THIS WEEK.

THERE WAS A VERDICT IN A DISCRIMINATION AND RETALIATION TRIAL AGAINST A SENATE STAFFER WHO CLAIMED SHE WAS FIRED AS A RESULT BECAUSE SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE FACT SHE WAS UNDERPAID COMPARED TO MALE COUNTERPARTS AND RETALIATED AGAINST.

$2.75 MILLION, AND AT THE CENTER OF THIS, INTERESTING CASE IN ITSELF, BUT WE'VE GOT THE REACTION OF SOMEONE WHO IS NOW RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, SECRETARY OF STATE KATIE HOBBS, IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT HER BECAUSE SHE'S SAYING, WELL, IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS' FAULT.

>> COME ON.

THERE'S A WORD FOR THAT BUT I CAN'T USE IT ON PUBLIC TELEVISION.

[LAUGHTER] >> LOOK, SHE WAS TALONYA ADAM'S SUPERVISOR.

>> THE WOMAN WE'RE REFERRING TO.

>> A BLACK FEMALE STAFFER, PAID LESS NOT ONLY LESS THAN THE REPUBLICANS BUT APPARENTLY PAID LESS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MALE DEMOCRATS THERE.

KATIE HAD COME IN, SHE WAS MINORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, TALONYA FINDS OUT, WAIT, LOOK AT THE SALARIES AND STARTS ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND THAT GOT ATTENTION, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOW SHE'S FINDING OUT THAT SHE'S BEING CRITICIZED FOR NOT BEING LOYAL.

THIS IS A WOMAN WHO NEVER HAD A BLACK MARK AGAINST HER, NOTHING IN HER RECORD, SHE HAD TO GO TO SEATTLE TO TAKE CARE OF A SON IN THE HOSPITAL.

SHE CLEARED IT WITH HER IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR WHO SAID TO HER, DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, AND KATIE FIRES HER WHILE SHE'S ON LEAVE SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

THERE IS SO MUCH THAT SMELLS ABOUT IT, AND WHAT'S REALLY SAD IS AFTER THE FIRST TRIAL WHERE SHE WON OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, KATIE'S POSITION IS, WELL, I'M SURE SHE FELT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BUT WHAT SHE TOLD ME IS NOBODY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST HER, NOBODY WAS FIRED FOR THE WRONG REASON.

WE NOW HAVE TWO JURIES WHO SAY SHE WAS FIRED FOR THE WRONG REASON.

RICK: KATIE HOBBS IS TECHNICALLY AN UNNAMED PARTY, IT WAS AGAINST THE SENATE, BUT SHE WAS THERE AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND OBVIOUSLY A PART OF THE DECISION.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT KATIE HOBBS?

LAURIE?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT SHE COULD HAVE WEATHERED IT MORE EASILY HAD SHE COME OUT AND SAID, YEAH, I WAS PART OF THIS, THIS WAS BAD, I LEARNED MY LESSON, WHATEVER.

INSTEAD, SHE HAS HER CAMPAIGN SPOKESWOMAN PUT OUT A STATEMENT.

NOW REMEMBER EARLIER THIS WEEK, SHE TESTIFIED THAT IT WAS A GROUP DECISION, THOSE WERE HER WORDS, AMONG HER AND A COUPLE OF DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN CHIEFS OF STAFF TO TERMINATE TALONYA, THAT IT WAS MADE BY CONSENSUS, AND SHE NO LONG HER TRUST.

SHE HAD LOST TRUST IN THE WOMAN AND LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE WOMAN.

THE LAWSUIT GOES FORTH, TALONYA WINS BIG, AND KATIE HOBBS PUTS OUT A STATEMENT SAYING I HAD NO DEALINGS WITH THIS, THIS WAS THE SENATE REPUBLICANS' FAULT, THEY WERE THE REASON WE COULDN'T PAY HER AS WELL, AND HER SUPERVISOR WAS THE REPUBLICAN CHIEF OF STAFF.

SO SHE'S PASSED THE BUCK BIGTIME AND RAISES QUESTIONS I WOULD ASSUME HER DEMOCRATIC OPPONENTS WOULD RAISE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

RICK: BACK TO THE COMMENT WITH BRNOVICH EARLIER.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINT IT WASN'T GOING TO AFFECT BRNOVICH.

IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT HOBBS IN THE ELECTION, LAURIE?

>> IN MY OPINION, NOTA SIGNIFICANT WAY BECAUSE THE ISSUE OF THE DAY IS ELECTION INTEGRITY, AND THAT ONE SHE SHINES.

SHE'S DEVELOPED A NATIONAL FOLLOWING ON THAT ISSUE.

BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO LEAVE A MARK.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BRUISE HERE AND I ASSUME THE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING AGAINST HER, MR. MARCO AND FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIEBERMAN WILL CERTAINLY COME AFTER HER ON THIS ISSUE, AND SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN SAYING IT'S NOT MY FAULT, IT'S THE REPUBLICANS.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO FLY.

>> I SPEND ENOUGH TIME IN PUBLIC RELATIONS TO KNOW, WHEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM, YOU MAKE IT A ONE-DAY STORY.

YOU CONFESS, I SCREWED UP, YOU PUT IT ASIDE, END OF STORY.

I THINK THE OTHER PROBLEM BECOMES, AND LAURIE IS TALKING ABOUT THE PRIMARY HERE.

LET'S ASSUME KATIE DOES SURVIVE THE PRIMARY AND GETS TO THE GENERAL, AND LET'S ASSUME THE ISSUE BECOMES ELECTION INTEGRITY AND MARK FINCHEM OR MICHELLE UGENTI-RITA IS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.

SHE CAN TALK ELECTION INTEGRITY ALL SHE WANTS, IF YOU TALK INTEGRITY, SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SAY WHERE WAS YOUR INTEGRITY WHEN YOU FIRED THE ONLY BLACK FEMALE STAFFER ON THE ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE STAFF?

WHERE WAS IT THEN?

RICK: WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE.

TALKING ABOUT GRANT WOODS PASSED AWAY, FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HE'S BECOME ONE OF THE CONSCIENCE VOICE IN ARIZONA, LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM, VERY BRIEFLY, WHO'S GOING TO REPLACE GRANT WOODS AS THE EXTRA VOICE COMING OUT OF NOWHERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THERE IS ANYONE ON THE HORIZON.

TERRY GODDARD MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE PERSON AT ONE POINT, HE'S TRYING TO DO THINGS LIKE HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, BUT FOLKS ARE NOT TRUSTED.

GRANT MANAGED TO SPAN BOTH PARTIES, THOUGH NOT THE ELEMENTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE OUT THERE.

RICK: LAURIE ONLY ABOUT 20 SECONDS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> NO, I HOPED A FEW YEARS AGO JEFF FLAKE MIGHT TAKE A POSITION LIKE THAT.

HE DIDN'T.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE POLITICALLY IN THIS COUNTRY OR STATE.

RICK: LAURIE ROBERTS FROM "THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND HOWIE FISCHER, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL.

>>> COMING UP, A LOOK AT THE LIFE OF GRANT WOODS.

STICK AROUND.

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RICK: A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR FORMER ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL GRANT WOODS WAS HELD IN PHOENIX, AND "HORIZONTE"'S JOSE CARDENAS SPOKE TO FORMER ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET NAPOLITANO.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO CALL YOU MADAM SECRETARY, MADAM GOVERNOR, PRESIDENT NAPOLITANO.

>> CALL ME JANET, THAT'S MY NAME.

>> YOU WORKED WITH GRANT WOODS WHEN HE WAS ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL, YOU SUCCEEDED HIM IN OFFICE.

YOU WERE U.S. ATTORNEY, TELL US ABOUT THE DEALINGS YOU HAD WITH HIM AND HIS OFFICE AT THAT TIME?

>> RIGHT.

I WAS THE ATTORNEY FOR ARIZONA WHILE GRANT WAS THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND THAT CAUSED US TO INTERSECT AT LAW ENFORCEMENT CONFERENCES OF VARIOUS TYPES.

OCCASIONALLY ON CASES WHERE THE FEDS HAD A POSSIBLE PROSECUTION AND THE STATE WANTED TO PROCEED IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DIFFERENT OFFICES CAN GET INTO TENSION WITH EACH OTHER, AND ONE THING I ENJOYED ABOUT GRANT WAS THAT WE COULD ALSO JUST TALK IT OUT AND RESOLVE WHATEVER TENSIONS THAT EXISTED.

>> HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS HIS TENURE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE SERVED IN THAT POSITION FOR EIGHT YEARS.

>> RIGHT, HE DID TWO FULL TERMS.

I THINK HE WAS AN EXCELLENT ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR ARIZONA, AND HE WAS A LEADER AMONGST THE COMMUNITY OF ATTORNEYS GENERAL AROUND THE COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY IN THE BIG CASES THAT THE STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL BROUGHT AGAINST BIG TOBACCO.

SHE WAS ONE OF THE LEADING ATTORNEYS ON IT, AND ONE OF THE LEAD NEGOTIATORS OF THE SETTLEMENT, AND THAT WAS REALLY ONE OF THE FIRST CASES WHERE STATE ATTORNEYS GENERAL RECOGNIZED THE COMBINED STRENGTH THAT THEY ALL HAD, AND THAT THEY COULD TAKE ON A BIG INDUSTRY LIKE TOBACCO, AND HE HELPED LEAD THOSE EFFORTS.

I BELIEVE IN ONE YEAR, HE WAS ACTUALLY VOTED ON BY HIS PEERS AS THE NATION'S BEST ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> YOU CLEARLY ARE A STUDENT OF POLITICS.

WHEN HE RAN HIS FIRST CAMPAIGN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HE CAMPAIGNED IN SUPPORT OF STATE MARTIN LUTHER KING HOLIDAY AND OPPOSED THE ONLY IMPENDING MEASURE, WERE YOU SURPRISED HE WAS ABLE TO SURVIVE THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY?

>> NO, NOT REALLY, IN A WAY.

THERE WAS ROOM IN THE STATE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR MODERATES LIKE GRANT WAS AT THE TIME, AND HIS CONNECTION WITH JOHN McCAIN CERTAINLY DIDN'T HURT.

>> YOU RAN AGAINST HIS HAND-PICKED SUCCESSOR TOM McGOVERN, AND A FEW YEARS LATER, THOUGH, GRANT WOODS ENDORSED YOU IN YOUR CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR.

HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT?

>> SO, YOU KNOW, DURING MY TIME AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WOULD SOMETIMES CALL GRANT AND GET HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT A MATTER ABOUT HOW HE HAD HANDLED A CERTAIN PROBLEM OR WHY A CERTAIN CASE WAS BEING BROUGHT IN A CERTAIN WAY?

AND I ALWAYS LIKED HIM.

HE WAS REALLY THE MOST LIKABLE MAN, AND WHEN I ANNOUNCED FOR GOVERNOR, HE BECAME A REPUBLICAN FOR JANET, AND I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE FIRST DEMOCRATS THAT HE ACTUALLY CROSSED OVER TO ENDORSE.

>> YOU SAY HE WAS VERY LIKABLE AND INDEED HE WAS, BUT HE ALSO SPOKE HIS MIND, OFTEN ANGERING PARTY LEADERS.

I REMEMBER ONE COMMENT HE MADE I THINK WHILE HE WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL, ABOUT REPUBLICAN PARTY FUNCTION AT A MAJOR HOTEL AND SAID THERE WERE ONLY TWO HISPANICS THERE AND THEY WERE BOTH SERVING FOOD, WHICH DIDN'T GO OVER WELL WITH LEADERSHIP AND KNOWN FOR DOING THAT, EVEN WHILE HE WAS VERY MUCH A STOUT REPUBLICAN.

WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO?

>> I THINK TO AN INDEPENDENCE OF MIND AND OF SPIRIT.

HE CERTAINLY WAS A REPUBLICAN, AT LEAST IN THOSE DAYS, BUT I THINK HE DIFFERENTIATED IN HIS MIND BETWEEN FOLLOWING A PARTISAN LINE VERSUS FOLLOWING WHAT HE BELIEVED IN, AND HE WAS ALWAYS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF CIVIL RIGHTS.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF HIS LEGACIES AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

>> THERE WERE ALWAYS RUMORS HE MIGHT RUN FOR THE SENATE, U.S. SENATE, AT DIFFERENT TIMES AS A REPUBLICAN OR AS A DEMOCRAT.

DID YOU EVER TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT OR HAVE ASSESSMENT WHETHER HE COULD HAVE WON?

>> YOU KNOW, HE AND I NEVER SPOKE ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE COULD HAVE RUN AND WON THAT OFFICE.

THAT TIME ACTUALLY MAY HAVE PASSED.

THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES HAVE MOVED SO FAR TO THE RIGHT, IF I CAN USE THAT SPECTRUM, BUT THERE WAS A TIME IN ARIZONA WHERE A REPUBLICAN LIKE GRANT WHO DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE PARTY LINE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT SPOKE HIS MIND, SPOKE IT CLEARLY, PLAINLY, AND WAS REALLY GOOD WITH PEOPLE, COULD WIN A PRIMARY AND BE VERY ATTRACTIVE AS A GENERAL ELECTION CANDIDATE.

>> JANET, WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, FINAL WORDS ABOUT HIS PASSING.

>> OH, LIKE SO MANY, I WAS SO SHOCKED AND SADDENED, AND MY THOUGHTS GO OUT TO MARLENE AND TO HIS CHILDREN, TO HIS FAMILY.

IT'S A BIG LOSS, AND A BIG LOSS OF A NEEDED VOICE IN ARIZONA.

>> JANET NAPOLITANO, FORMER GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US.

>> THANK YOU, JOSE.

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RICK: THAT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

WE HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING AND A GREAT WEEKEND.

COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, HOW ONE GROUP IS WORKING TO GET WOMEN'S HOCKEY IN CITIES ALL ACROSS ARIZONA, AND IT'S GROWING.