AFTER YEARS OF GOING UNREGULATED, THE STATE AND COUNTIES ARE CRACKING DOWN ON ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

THE LATEST PROPOSAL TO LIMIT AND MANAGE SHORT‑TERM RENTALS ON OAHU IS THE STRICTEST YET.

SUPPORTERS SAY IT WILL KEEP TOURISTS FROM OVERTAKING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT RENTAL OPERATORS AND TRAVEL GROUPS ARGUE, IT COULD HURT THEIR BUSINESS.

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI’I START NOW.

¶¶ ¶¶ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

OVER THE PAST DECADE, THE NUMBER OF ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS SKYROCKETED ON OAHU.

RESIDENTS IN AREAS LIKE KAILUA AND THE NORTH SHORE SUDDENLY HAD TOURISTS NEXT DOOR, AND WITH INEFFECTIVE REGULATION, THEIR OUTCRIES GREW TOO LOUD TO IGNORE.

IN AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, THE BLANGIARDI ADMINISTRATION HAS PITCHED AN AGGRESSIVE PLAN TO REEL IN THE INDUSTRY, SAYING SHORT‑TERM RENTALS ARE DISRUPTIVE TO THE CHARACTER AND FABRIC OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

LEGAL OPERATORS OF RENTAL UNITS ARGUE THE PROPOSED RULES ONLY BENEFIT HOTELS AND COULD KILL THEIR INCOME.

BILL 41 PASSED THE FIRST READING AT THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK, BUT THE FIGHT ISN’T OVER YET.

WE’LL HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE TONIGHT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

DEAN UCHIDA IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU’S DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING.

THE AGENCY PROVIDES A NUMBER OF SERVICES INCLUDING INFORMATION AND ISSUING OF BUILDING PERMITS, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, RESIDENTIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND IMPLEMENTING LONG‑RANGE PLANNING PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY.

BRANDON ELEFANTE WAS ELECTED TO HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL IN 2014 AND IS CURRENTLY IN HIS SECOND TERM.

HE REPRESENTS DISTRICT 8 WHICH INCLUDES PEARLRIDGE, PEARL CITY, WAIPIO GENTRY AND WAIPAHU.

HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL’S COMMITTEE ON ZONING AND PLANNING.

KELLY LEE WAS RAISED IN MAKAKILO AND IS A LICENSED REALTOR.

SHE IS ALSO A BOARD MEMBER WITH THE OAHU SHORT‑TERM RENTAL ALLIANCE.

THE ORGANIZATION IS COMPRISED OF A GROUP OF SHORT‑TERM RENTAL HOSTS, MANAGERS AND OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS.

AND LARRY BARTLEY HAS CALLED OAHU HOME FOR MORE THAN FOUR DECADES AFTER FIRST ARRIVING HERE TO ATTEND UH MANOA.

HE CO‑FOUNDED THE VOLUNTEER GROUP SAVE OAHU’S NEIGHBORHOODS IN 2005 AS A WAY TO PUSH FOR STRICTER ENFORCEMENT OF ILLEGAL RENTALS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TO LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSION.

A LOT OF PARTICIPATION ON THIS ONE.

START WITH YOU.

TWO YEARS AGO THAT THE CITY PASSED LAW THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO CRACK DOWN ON ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

HAS THERE BEEN ENOUGH TIME TO SEE IF THAT LAW WOULD WORK?

>> BLANGIARDI ADMINISTRATION CAME IN.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT.

HAD A HEARING TRY TO GO THROUGH THE RULE MAKING PROCESS GETTING MORE INPUT AND BEEN LOOKING AT THE DETAILS OF THE BILL AND FOUND THAT SECTION OF IT KIND OF QUESTIONABLE AS FAR AS HOW WE COULD ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY TOOK A DEEP DIVE TO LOOK AT WHAT AMENDMENTS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY TIGHTEN UP SOME OF THE SOME OF ACTIVITIES IN RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AFTER COVID, GOT TO KNOW WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE LIKE.

WITHOUT SHORT‑TERM RENTALS.. >> GETTING THEM OUT OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES AND FOCUS AROUND THE RESORT AREAS.

>>Yunji: PREVIOUS BILL AND THIS ONE, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE?

WHAT DOES THIS ONE DOES THAT THE OTHER DID NOT?

>> OTHER ONE, PRIOR BILL ALLOWED FOR NUMBER OF VACATION RENTALS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

BASED ON DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THOSE AREAS.

WEREN'T PUTTING A LIMIT ON NUMBER OF VACATION RENTALS IN THE RESIDENCE COMMUNITIES.

DIDN'T REGULATE THINGS IN THE RESORT AREAS.

BASICALLY PUT A CAP ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES AND PROVIDED MORE REGULATIONS IN THE RESORT AREAS.

UNDER THIS BILL.

>>Yunji: WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BILL?

>> BILL 41, BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHAT SEEMS TO BE COMPLETE BAN OF SHORT‑TERMS RENTALS.

>> SHORT‑TERM RENTALS THAT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

SEVERAL WAYS.

THIS BILL CAN TURN WHAT WAS LEGAL ILLEGAL.

THAT'S THE CONCERN OF PEOPLE WHO DO RENT SHORT‑TERM OR ANYWHERE FROM 30 DAYS TO A YEAR.

THAT IT COULD DISRUPT LIVELIHOOD.

THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.

>> ALREADY KIND OF UNAFFORDABLE TO LIVE HERE.

SOMETIMES NEED TO BUY EXTRA PROPERTY TO RENT IT OUT FOR RETIREMENT OR KIDS.

BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR SHORT‑TERM RENTAL IS NOT JUST VACATION RENTALS.

BUT FAMILY MEMBERS OVER.

GRADUATIONS OR PEOPLE WHO REMOTE WORKING.

THEY CAN'T STAY IN A HOTEL.

FOR 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS.

AND THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DO OWN THEM ARE GOING TOEL, IT'S GOING TO UP END THEIR LIVES FINANCIALLY.

>>Yunji: BRANDON, COUNCIL PASSED THIS ON FIRST READING.

>> 7‑2.

WHY DID YOU VOTE IN FAVOR THAT HAVE?

>> THANK YOU.

TO PBS HAWAII FOR HOSTING THIS FORUM.

VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR THE PUBLIC.

COUNCIL DID PASS BILL 41 ON FIRST READING.

>> RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WE TEED TO ADDRESS AND FIX TRANSMIT OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WHERE APPROVED DPP RECOMMENDATION, DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING EXTENSION OF TIME FOR FROM 120 DAYS TO GIVE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER BILL 41.

BILL STEP.

IF WE DON'T APPROVE EXTENSION OF TIME, BILL DIES.

CRITICAL COMPONENT TO KEPT DISCUSSION ALIVE AND HAVING DISCUSSION HERE TODAY.

>>Yunji: WHAT DO YOU HOPE HAPPENS IN THOSE 120 DAYS?

WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO LEARN BEFORE FINAL PASSAGE?

>> I HAVE SOME FLASHBACKS FROM BILL 89 CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

>> NEVER IMAGINE TAKE SHORT‑TERM RENTALS TWICE IN MY TERM ON THE COUNCIL.

IT IS THE PRIORITY OF THE BLANGIARDI ADMINISTRATION THAT WANTS TO REALLY HONE IN ON SHORT‑TERM VACATION RENTALS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, AS THE CHAIR OF ZONING AND PLANNERRING.

DEEP DIVE, WHAT IS TRANSMITTED OVER.

HOW DIFFERENT CURRENT ORDINANCE WHAT WE CAN DO FROM DPP RECOMMENDATION, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS JOIN THE CONVERSATION.

HOPEFULLY GET A BILL COMPROMISE.

>> NOT EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT.

>> I THINK THAT'S HOW POLITIC AND PUBLIC POLICY WORKS.

WE NEED BETTER ENFORCEMENT BUT BE FAIR.

>>Yunji: PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THE SIX MONTH REQUIREMENT IS TOO, ARDUOUS?

>> IT'S A LAW ON MAUI AND KAUAI.

SEEMS TO WORK THERE.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE BIG ISLAND.

FITS STATE'S DEFINITION OF SHORT‑TERM RENTALS OR TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS.

T.A.T.

STEAM LINES AND JURISDICTIONS WITH STATE'S DEFINITION.

>> ANSWERING QUESTION ABOUT POINT ABOUT WHERE CAN PEOPLE STAY, THERE ARE, LOOKING FOR EXEMPTIONS OR EXCEPTIONS FOR WORKING PEOPLE AND SO FORTH.

WHO COME IN.

WHICH WILL BE HANDLED BY THE PP AND AFFIDAVIT FORM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THE 180 DAYS IS IS THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER GO OUT WITH FAKE 30 CONTRACTS LURE PEOPLE IN 12 TIMES A YEAR AND TAKE THAT HOUSE OUT OF THE HOUSING MARKET.

IF THEY HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR 180 DAYS, THEIR MARKET GOING TO DRY UP.

IN OTHER WORDS, NOT GOING TO GET THE TOURISM MARKET.

SO AIR DNA SAYS OVER 10,000 VACATION RENTALS ON OAHU RIGHT NOW.

LATEST DATA.

70%, HTA WOULD HAWAII TOURISM AUTHORITY 70% ARE OWNED BY NONRESIDENTS.

INVESTMENTS FOR MONEY.

AND THEY ARE TAKING THOSE HOUSES OUT OF THE HOUSING MARKET.

THAT'S OUR BIGGEST BIGGEST.

ISSUE.

TWO THINGS, HOUSING TRANQUILITY AND LIFE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

KIND OF OVERLOOK THE APARTMENTS.

BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AS BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS TOO, THOUSAND AND THOUSAND OF CONDOS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WHICH ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THESE ILLEGAL RENTALS.

HATS OFF TO THE DPP.

DOING WHAT THEY CAN.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE TOOLINGS.

PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO CHEAT AND LIE ABOUT CONTRACTS.

REALLY CAN'T OVERCOME THAT.

CORPORATION COUNSEL DOESN'T BACK UP, SAYS, LIKE HE'S ADMINISTRATOR.

YOU GOT TO TAKE YOUR ASSETS AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH AND APPLY IT IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE MANNER.

IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING RESULTS IN SOME AREA, I HAVE TO MOVE THOSE RESOURCES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

BECAUSE YOU GOT A JOB TO DO.

SO HATS OFF TO DPP FOR TRYING.

THIS BILL 89, WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE PERFECT.

>> WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DO THE TRICK.

FEDERAL JUDGE CAME ALONG AND SAID, CAN YOU RENT EFFECTIVELY SAYING YOU CAN RENT 12 TIMES A YEAR, FOR 30 DAYS.

AND YOU CAN'T FORCE SOMEBODY TO STAY IN THE PLACE FOR 30 DAYS.

SO INDUSTRY KIND TOOK THAT AS SAYING IT'S OKAY TO RENT 12 TIMES A YEAR WITH THESE CONTRACTS.

HAVE ADENDUM CONTRACT.

STAY LESS THAN 30 DAYS VIEWER QUESTIONS.

QUESTION FOR YOU.

ENFORCEMENT SHORT‑TERM RENTALS ZONING IN RESIDENTIAL AND APARTMENT AREAS HAS BEEN LARGELY AFFECT EVERYONE.

WHEN CAN WE EXPECT INCREASED HE ENFORCEMENT.

PEOPLE FELT LAST BILL WAS GOOD ONE.

DIDN'T HAVE THE BOOTS ON GROUND TO MAKE IT WORK.

>> CORRECT.

COUNCIL PROVIDED 7 POSITION TO DPP.

UNFORTUNATELY, NEVER FUNDED.

SO PART OF THE BILL 41, TRIED TO SET UP DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE THAT WILL STRAIGHT TO FUND OUR ENFORCEMENT BRANCH.

STAND UP A NEW SHORT‑TERM VACATION RENTAL BRANCH IN DPP TO REGULATE AND MANAGE THIS CERTAIN VACATION RENTALS.

UNFORTUNATELY, RECENTLY, CORPORATION COUNSEL AND BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES TOLD US WE CANNOT DIVERT REAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES INTO THE SPECIAL FUND.

SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED CHARTER AMENDMENT TO CREATE THAT ABILITY TO DEDICATE REAL PROPERTY TAX.

INTO THE SPECIAL FUND.

IDEA TAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW, RESIDENTIAL AND B & B OR HOTEL RATE AND WE PROJECT THAT TO BE ABOUT $3.1 MILLION.

BASICALLY, USE THAT TO FUND AS DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE ENFORCEMENT BRANCH.

WE WOULD BRING IN RIGHT NOW, BUILDING INSPECTORS DOING, INSPECTIONS AND INVESTIGATIONS.

JOB IS REALLY TO CHECK FOR CODE COMPLIANCE ON BUILDING PERMITS.

SO KIND OF OUT OF THEIR LEAGUE TO CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS THAT THIS KIND OF SOPHISTICATED SHORT‑TERM VACATION RENTAL BUSINESS.

SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS 7 POSITION WANT THEM TO BE INVESTIGATORS, AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING INSPECTORS.

AND HAVE SOME INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE SO WE CAN COME UP WITH WAYS OF GOING AFTER ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

>>Yunji: LAURIE JUST SAID THERE'S ESTIMATED 10,000.

I BELIEVE.

IS WHAT THE ESTIMATE WAS.

IF IT 7 PEOPLE CRACK DOWN ON 10,000.

TOUGH BATTLE.

>> BIGGEST TOOL IS USING PLATFORMS AND GOING AFTER ADVERTISEMENTS.

IT THEY CANNOT ADVERTISE, CANNOT GET BUSINESS.

WANT OF THE STRONGEST BILL 89, SWEEP WEBSITES PICK UP ILLEGAL ADVERTISING.

GET THE COOPERATION OF THE WEBSITES TO DELIST THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.

MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO MANAGE.

MET WITH A FEW THIRD‑PARTY PROVIDERS AND COUPLE COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE SERVICES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

THEY DID A PRELIMINARY SWEEP ON OAHU.

CAME UP WITH 14,000 ADVERTISEMENTS.

THIS WAS JUST FOR LIKE A WEEK TALKING TO THEM.

SWEEP LIKE 80 DIFFERENT PLATFORMS AT ONE TIME.

WITH THE SOFTWARE.

GOING TO BE ENGAGING WITH DIFFERENT OUTSIDE THIRD‑PARTY PROVIDERS TO ASSIST US IN ENFORCEMENT SIDE.

>>Yunji: WHAT IS THE PENALTY?

>> I THINK VARIES.

IF THEY TAKE THE THING DOWN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FINE.

I THINK IF THEY CONTINUE DOING IT, WE START DAILY FINE OF LIKE I THINK WE'RE INCREASING IT TO $25,000 A DAY.

>>Yunji: $25,000 A DAY?

>> YEAH.

>>Yunji: WOW.

KELLY, CERTAINLY IS A DETERRENT.

I WANT TO ASK BRANDON THIS QUESTION.

FROM MIKE OVER EMAIL.

WHY IS THIS BILL SO HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, WHY WOULD THE CITY TRY TO PUT LEGAL VACATION RENTALS OUT OF BUSINESS BY CHARGING DRACONIAN $5,000 REGISTRATION FEE AND $2,000 PER YEAR THEREAFTER.

IF LEGAL VACATION RENTALS OWNERS ARE BURDENED WITH THIS FEE, WHY AREN'T HOTELS BEING CHARGED FOR THIS FOR EACH HOTEL ROOM THEY RENT?

I WANT TO GET TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND.

START WITH YOU.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?

>> ABOUT THE WHOLE.

>>Yunji: ABOUT THE FEES AND WHAT MIKE IS SAYENING THE EMAIL.

>> >> THE FEES ARE HIGH.

JUST DOING MY OWN RESEARCH, AS A REALTOR, I PREFER FACTS.

I WANT TO LOOK IT UP AND WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS GOING TO BE.

I TOOK A UNIT, COST $200,000.

OWNER IS GOING TO SPEND $200,000 OR $100,000 DOWN.

>> GET A MORTGAGE FOR THE OTHER $100,000.

GOES INTO THE HOTEL POOL.

GET ALL OF YOU ARE INCOME.

HAVE A I DON'T KNOW GOING FOR $200 A DAY, AND THE INCOME IS $6,000, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, YOU TAKE OFF YOUR G.E.T.

AND YOUR T.A.T.

THAT'S GROSS.

YOU DON'T TAKE OFF EXPENSES.

THAT'S OFF THE TOP.

AFTER THAT, THE HOTEL TAKES HALF.

SO NOW YOU'RE AT $3,000.

YOU'RE AT 3.

IF YOU BOUGHT IT CASH.

THEN YOU GOT HOTEL FEE.

THE FEES, SO I AT THE END OF IT, AFTER YOU PAY YOUR MAINTENANCE FEE AND TAXES AND ALL OF THAT, JUST ONE CALCULATION, ON ONE UNIT, IF YOU BOUGHT IT CASH, YOUR INCOME WOULD BE $1,700.

THAT'S NOT GETTING RICH.

SO I CAN SEE HOW SOMEONE WHO WORKED AND SAVED TO BUY A UNIT.

ONE THAT GETS THE MOST MONEY IS HOTEL.

BECAUSE THE STATE GETS THEIR 15%.

>> HOTEL GETS HALF.

THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS, OWNER GETS THEIRS.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD BE SAYING WELL, WHY DOES A HOTEL GET HALF OF THE INCOME?

I BOUGHT IT.

I HAVE TO PAY ALL THE EXPENSES.

BUT THEN THEY GET HALF.

THEN SO IF YOU'RE MAKING $1,700 AND YOU GOT TO PAY $5,000 A MONTH, OR $5,000 FOR THE PERMIT AND THEN $2,500 A YEAR, THEN IT BECOMES VERY UNATTRACTIVE AS INVESTMENT.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST A LITTLE ABOUT YOU HAVE EXTRA INCOME.

THEY'RE NOT MAKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH OR $25,000.

ON A UNIT.

EXCESSIVE TO ANYBODY WHO OWNS IT.

IF THE HOTEL OWNS IT, THOSE PEOPLE OR HOTEL RUNS IT, THEN THAT OWNER COULD PAY A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER MAYBE 10%, 15%, INSTEAD OF HALF.

WITH THAT, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

>>Yunji: TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT FEE STRUCTURE.

I MEAN, WHAT WILL THIS DO TO PEOPLE DOING THIS LEGALLY?

>> YEAH, SO I WANT TO GET BACK TO DIRECTOR UCHIDA QUESTION ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE.

I DO THINK THAT IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT.

AT THAT TIME, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN HE DID PASS BILL 89.

DID LOOK LOOK AT FUNDING POSITION.

BECAUSE OF COVID TIME, ECONOMY BEING TIGHT, THERE WAS A 10% CUT THAT WE JUST HAD TO OPERATE ON BARE BONES.

CRITICAL COMPONENT.

HOW WE GET FUNDED FOR INSPECTORS.

THAT WOULD GO OUT FOR ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

IN TERMS FEES INITIALLY CONSIDERING BILL 89, ORDINANCE 1918, I'VE SEEN FEES THAT WERE VERY HIGH.

BACK AND FORTH IN DISCUSSION.

WE'VE ARRIVED AT THESE FEES WHERE WE ARE NOW.

I BELIEVE IN BILL 41, WHAT'S PROPOSED, DIRECTOR UCHIDA SAID $25,000 DAILY FINES UP TO 100 THRUDZ.

REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO CLOSER LOOK PERHAPS MAYBE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SET OF AMOUNTS ON THOSE PARTICULAR FINES.

OF COURSE, THAT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON THAT.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO KNOW, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE ON THE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE UNITS.

IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS THIS IS HAPPENING.

>> IF I COULD FIRST JUST FOR A SECOND, RESPOND TO KELLY'S STATEMENT.

THAT ABOUT THESE LEGAL OPERATIONS.

ACTUALLY VERY FEW LEGAL OPERATIONS.

ABOUT 800 WITH NONCONFORMING USE CERTIFICATES.

REMAINING OUT OF THE FIRST, 2100 STARTED IN 1990.

SO MOSTLY ILLEGAL OPERATORS.

NOW, THERE'S THIS IN THIS LAW, WILL BE THE 180 DAYS.

SO BETWEEN 30 AND 180, THOSE PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY LEGAL.

THEAND WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT.

AND SO THAT'S ONE REASON SAVE OAHU NEIGHBORHOODS AN OTHER GROUPS HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THIS BILL NEEDS TO BE SPLIT UP.

AND A LOT OF THE HOTELS REGULATIONS STUFF BE SEPARATED OUT INTO ANOTHER BILL.

THEY REALLY AREN'T THE SAME THING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT WHICH WE WANT AND HOW DO YOU REGULATE AN ENFORCE THESE OPERATORS INTO HOTEL POOLS AND SO FORTH.

A LOT OF THINGS IN THE BILL REZONING OR CHANGING THE LAND USE FOR WAIKIKI MAUKA.

15,000 RESTS DINTSZ LIVING THERE.

‑RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.

HOTEL IS LEGITIMATE USE IN CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS.

NOTHING DO WITH VACATION RENTALS.

LOOKING TO HOPEFULLY GET SYMPATHETIC EAR ON THE COUNCIL TO SPLIT THIS INTO MORE THAN ONE BILL AND DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES SEPARATELY, NOT REALLY RELATED.

>>Yunji: YOU OWN A HOME.

TUTU WANTS TO KEEP A HOME.

SPARE BEDROOM.

LET HER RENT IT OUT, THAT'S HOW IT PLAYED OUT?

>> BEGINNING OF THE 10,000 PLUS, 70% ARE NOT LOCAL OWNERS.

THEY ARE FOREIGN INVESTORS, MAINLAND INVESTORS CANADIAN.

ET CETERA.

SO TUTU IS THEY'RE HIDING BEHIND TUTU'S SKIRTS.

THE WAY I LIKE TO PUT IT.

BECAUSE YES, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD SUFFER IF THEY WERE FORCED AGAINST CURRENTLY, FOR LAST FEW YEARS, OPERATED ILLEGALLY.

BUT UNDER THE RADAR, AND HAVEN'T BOTHERED NEIGHBORS AND SO FORECAST.

THEY ARE SYMPATHETIC CHARACTERS.

THEY'RE THE VAST MINORITY IN THIS ISSUE.

EXTREMELY SMALL NUMBER.

IN THIS WHOLE ISSUE.

>>Yunji: IS THAT TRUE?

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

>> NO.

YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY.

HE HAS SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT WAIKIKI IS DIFFERENT.

FROM THE NORTH SHORE OR KANEOHE OR WAIMANALO.

IT'S NOT SAME COMMUNITY.

SO USING THE SAME RULES FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND ONE THAT IS OUT IN THE COUNTRY, IS DIFFERENT SITUATION.

DO I THINK TUTU RENTING OUT A ROOM IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AND DOES HAPPEN?

YES.

IT DOES.

BECAUSE GROWING UP HERE, THE DREAM OF OWNING A HOME WAS YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T OWN A HOME THAT I LIVED IN.

UNTIL I WAS 47.

TOOK ME THAT LONG TO BE ABLE TO GET 'A HOME THAT I COULD LIVE IN.

ALMOST ALWAYS, I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RENTAL, THAT WOULD HELP IF YOU LOSE YOUR JOB OR GET SICK OR ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.

HAVING THAT OHANA UNIT OR HAVING THE ADU OR THE SOMETHING THAT CAN BRING YOU IN SOME INCOME DURING THAT TIME, IS RELEVANT AND WE RECOMMEND IT OFTEN.

JUST BECAUSE PRICES.

>> THOSE ARE LEGAL NOW.

YOU CAN RENT A ROOM UP TO FIVE ROOMS IN YOUR HOUSE TO PEOPLE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS.

THAT'S LEGAL.

THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE 108 DAY RULE WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO REQUIRE EXCEPTIONS AND EXEMPTION AND SO FORTH.

CHANGE THE 180 RULE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN, GOOD TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THAT.

HOW WE GOT INTO ALL OF THIS IS WE THINK OF GO BACK TO PUBLIC POLICY LAND USE ORDINANCE.

WE LOOKED AT LAND USE ORDINANCE AND TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN TODAY.

WE LOOK AT, WHERE DO WE BUILD RESORTS.

WHERE DO BEST WE BUILD RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES?

WHERE DO WE BUILD APARTMENTS?

BUILD AGRICULTURE.

NOW, WE HAVE TRANSIT‑ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

MIXED USE.

MIXED RENTAL WITH RAIL.

WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES AND GO BACK TO LAND USE POLICY AT SIMPLEST FORM.

AND SORT OF ADVENT OF AIRB&B, TVU, EXPEDIA HOSTING SITES REALLY CHANGED GAME HOW PEOPLE RENT.

ADD THAT TO THE MIX.

NEIGHBORS HEARING PEOPLE COME CAN BEDROOM HOMES, THEY'RE NOT USED TO FOR MANY YEARS, LONG TIME LOCAL FAMILY, KAMA'AINA RESIDENTS.

IT KIND OF CHANGES THINGS.

WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES OF THAT AND POLICY MAKER, OFFICIAL, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VIEWPOINTS.

AT THE SAME TIME, ALL GOES BACK TO LAND USE.

WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE LAND USE AND WE ALSO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT PARTICULAR LAND USE ISSUE?

>>Yunji: BRING IN THESE TWO QUESTIONS.

FOR YOU.

ONE SAYS, LEGAL VACATION RENTER WANTS TO KNOW WHAT MECHANISM FOR COLLECTING FINES FROM ILLEGAL RENTERS THE ZONING OFFICE NOT ALLOWING ANYBODY ON PROPERTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

WHY THERE ARE LAWS IF THEY CAN'T ENFORCED.

THEN MIKE FROM MAKIKI HAS SIMILAR QUESTION.

WHO DO I CALL IF I SUSPECTED ILLEGAL VACATION RENTAL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD?

SOME TIME BEFORE THIS ACTUALLY COMES TO PASS.

YOU HIRE THOSE 7 PEOPLE.

IF YOU GET MONEY TOGETHER AND ALL OF THAT.

IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT CAN PEOPLE TO.

>> >> CALL OUR OFFICE.

WE STILL INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS BILL LEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

LIKE I SAID, COMES IN AS REGULAR COMPLAINT AND BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE THE ONES INVESTIGATE.

PROBLEMS POINTED OUT, DON'T HAVE POLICE POWERS GO ON THE PROPERTY.

IF THE OWNERS DON'T COOPERATE, WE CANNOT GET EVIDENCE ABOUT THE ILLEGAL RENTAL PERIODS, A LOT OF OUR INVESTIGATION STOP BECAUSE WE DON'T GET COOPERATION FROM THE TENANTS.

OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

I LIKE GO BACK TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE RESORT.

AND HOTEL.

I THINK FIRST ADMIT BILL ISN'T PERFECT.

DRAFTED BILL WE TRIED TO ADDRESS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

WAIKIKI IS VERY COMPLEX BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN WAIKIKI ALONE.

COMING UP WITH POLICY THAT BASICALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THE ILLEGAL RENTALS IN THOSE FOUR DISTRICT, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO WORK WITH COUNCIL COMING UP WITH LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW WE CAN KIND OF SECTION OUT DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT WAS WE'RE GOING TO EACH ONE.

RESORT AREA, LEGAL PERMITTED ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE.

>> HOTEL WAS TVRs CONVERT TO HOTEL.

FOR THE LEGAL ONES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN RESORT ZONE, DISTRICT, PROBABLY GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE OR I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AND HAVE THEM REGISTER, PAY ANNUAL FEE, RENEWAL FEE AND THEN PAY THE G.E.T.

AND THE T.A.T.

ALSO, MAKE SURE THEY GET PAYING HIGHER REAL PROPERTY TAX.

ON THE APARTMENT MIXED USE PRECINCT, DIAMOND HEAD SPECIAL DISTRICT, GOT IT TREAT THEM LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

BECAUSE THOSE WERE ACTUALLY UP FOR LONGTERM RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO HOW WE TREAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SHORT‑TERM RENTALS.

QUESTION WE HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNCIL.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS COMING IN.

THROUGH THE WHOLE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS, KEPT REVISING THE BILL, REVISE BILL WE KNEW WHEN FIRST SUBMITTED, IT WASN'T PERFECT.

WE CREATED THIS EXEMPTION FOR 180 DAY PERIOD.

PETE BROUGHT UP LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT STUDENTS ABOUT GIG WORKERS HEALTH CARE WORKERS, COMING IN TO HELP.

STARTED CREATING THESE EXEMPTIONS I THINK MAUI COUNTY DOES RIGHT NOW.

LISTEN TO PUBLIC FROM THE COMMENT TRYING TO ADDRESS BILL TO TAKE CARE OF LEGITIMATE CONCERNS RAISED.

>>Yunji: ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

I THINK THAT LARRY SPEAKS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SAY THAT I DON'T WANT RENTAL CARS ON MY STREET.

>> I DON'T WANT PARTIES AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES AND SEE PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW.

THESE ARE STORIES THAT WE HEAR AGAIN AND AGAIN.

IS THERE A WAY TO BETTER BALANCE THIS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE INCOME IF THEY NEEDED TO PAY A MORTGAGE BECAUSE WE DO KNOW COST OF LIVING HERE IS HIGH.

AT THE SAME TIME, MAINTAINING INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS?

>> WE DO DEFINITELY SUPPORT INENFORCEMENT.

WE WANT ‑‑ THINK MAJORITY WANT TO BE LEGAL.

AND THEY WANT TO ENFORCEMENT.

THEY DON'T ‑‑ THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO ‑‑ I WOULD THINK MAJORITY ARE TRYING TO EARN A LIVING AND WANT ENFORCEMENT.

THEY WANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

IF YOU'RE FROM HERE, YOU WANT, YOUR NEIGHBOR TO BE ABLE TO RENT IF THEY NEED TO, AND NOBODY LOCAL OR VISITORS WANTS BIG LOUD PARTIES BUT IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM?

PROBABLY NOT.

SO THINK MOST PEOPLE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

WANT TO BE LEGAL.

WANT ENFORCEMENT.

THEY WANT AVENUE TO BECOME LEGAL IF THEY'RE NOT.

SO I THINK A IS SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S MOST WANT TO SKIRT LAW.

AND GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING.

THEY WANT TO BE LEGAL AND ACCOUNTABLE AND PAY THEIR TAXES AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND EARN INCOME.

AS FAR AS TOURISM AND NOISE AND NEIGHBORS AND CARS WE LIVE IN ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON EARTH.

IF WE DIDN'T LIVE HERE, WANT TO LIVE HERE.

GO TO MAINLAND AND SAY WE'RE FROM HAWAII, WHY DO YOU EVERY LEAVE?

I WOULD NEVER LEAVE.

THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND THEY'RE BEING TO COME.

WE DO NEED TOURISM.

I MEAN, BACKBONE OF OUR ECONOMY.

OUR BEACHES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WORLD CHANGING AND VERY MANY, IF YOU VISITS A PLACE, YOU WANT TO DRIVE AROUND AND SEE DIFFERENT SPOTS.

DIFFERENT BEACHES.

NOT GOING TO STAY ONE PLACE.

DON'T DRIVE, CATCH A BUS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN.

WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, WHERE WE GREW UP, IT WAS ALL CANE FIELDS.

SO ALL KAPOLEI WASN'T THERE.

KUNIA WASN'T THERE.

WAIKELE WASN'T THERE.

KO OLINA WASN'T THERE.

EWA GENTRY ALL OF THOSE PLACES DIDN'T EXIST.

ALL CANE FIELDS.

WE PLAYED IN THE CANE FIELDS AND WENT TO THE BEACHES.

KAPOLEI TURNED FROM CANE FIELDS INTO RESIDENTIAL.

IT DID HAVE TO DEVELOP AND WE'RE GLAD IT DID BECAUSE IT CREATED JOBS AND HOUSING WE NEEDED OUT THERE.

THEN NOW SOME HOTELS OUT THERE.

CHANGED AGAIN.

BEGAN DEVELOPING AND NOW, MIGHT PARENTS, WE USED TO HAVE TO DRIVE TO PEARL CITY TO GO TO A RESTAURANT.

WE HAD TO DRIVE IN WAIPAHU BACK THEN.

SO IT DOES CHANGE.

BUT PRETENDING THAT'S NOT AND WE CAN JUST STOP TOURISM FROM COMING OR GOING TO NEIGHBORHOOD, I NEON, WE DON'T OWN THE BEACHES.

I MEAN, WE DON'T OWN THE BEACHES.

IF I WAS A TOURIST I WOULD WANT TO VISIT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND EAT AT DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS SUPPORT THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES WE ALL WANT THAT.

>>Yunji: GET YOUR TAKE.

I ALSO WANT YOU TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.

WHY NOT REGULATE TO THE POINT ONLY PEOPLE LIVE ON PROPERTY CAN RENT OUT ROOMS INSTEAD OF BLANKET CANCELLATION ALL RENTAL.

>> THAT WAS THE B & B LAW IN ORDINANCE 1918.

I GUESS THEY DECIDED ACTUALLY NEVER GOT IMPLEMENTED.

THAT WAS PART OF B & B LAW.

THAT GOING TO BE A RESIDENTS LIVING THERE WITH THEM, ET CETERA.

AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THAT WAS EVER INSTITUTED.

>> DELAYED IT FOR A WHILE COUPLE TIMES.

WE HAVE INSISTED EVER SINCE WE FORMED UP A LONG TIME AGO, 15 YEARS AGO, WE WANT TO SEE EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE EFFECTIVE PERMITS IS ALLOWED.

HASN'T HAPPENED.

COUPLE INSTANCE BACK IN MAYBE 2015 OR '16, IKIAKA ANDERSON, COUNCILMEMBER AT THE TIME, GOT $300,000 PUT INTO THE DPP BUDGET TO HIRE EX‑RETIRED DPP WORKERS GO OUT AND ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY SAW MARKET SHRINKING.

THERE WAS AN IMPACT FOR SOME REASON, ADMINISTRATION PULLED THAT MONEY OUT.

WHEN THIS LAW PASSED, 1918, WE SAW THE MARKET SHRINK DRAMATICALLY.

FOUND THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

THEY'RE BACK.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

WHAT KELLY SAID ABOUT TOURISM IS OUR BACKBONE, I AGREED.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, 1989, I'M FIELD GOAL TO QUOTE A SPEECH PUT ON THE CENTER FLOOR ABOUT A YEAR AGO, 1989 WE HAD 6 MILLION TOURISTS WHO SPENT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.

2,017, WE HAVE 9 MILLION TOURISTS WHO SPENT LESS MONEY IN REAL DOLLARS THAN 6 BILLION DID IN 1989.

THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S STAYING AT VACATION RENTALS.

CHEAP TOURISTS.

THEY COME FIRST TIME.

THEY BUY A LOT OF STUFF.

THEN THEY COME NEXT YEAR.

NEXT YEAR.

THEY GO COSTCO.

THEY SHOP AT COSTCO.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXPENSIVE RESTAURANTS.

CHEAP TOURISTS.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO RUN THIS INDUSTRYSTRIND OR HAVE THIS INDUSTRY FOR BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TO SOME DEGREE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SELECTIVELY TOURISTS LEAVE MONEY BEHIND AND NOT IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS SO MUCH.

TYPICALLY, THOSE TOURISTS STAY IN HOTELS.

>> >>Yunji: READ TWO COMMENTS HERE.

GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

MIKE SAYS, LEGAL RENTALS IN THE HOTEL RESORT AREA ARE ALREADY PAYING THESE HIGH PROPERTY TAX RATES.

WHY ARE YOU FORCING PEOPLE WITH CONDO‑TEL TO USE SERVICE THE SCREENS OUT PREFERENCE FOR HOTELS BY ELIMINATING COMPETITION WITH INDIVIDUALS.

OTHER SIDE THIS PERSON WRITE LEGAL VACATION RENTALS ARE NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME.

HEARTBREAKING SEE OUR COASTAL RURAL COMMUNITIES BEING RIPPED APART FOR OVER TOURISM AND GREED OF A FEW.

WHY ARE THE EFFECTS ON OUR RURAL COMMUNITY AND WORKING FAMILIES NOT BEING ADDRESSED?

>>Steve: WHAT ARE HEARING FROM THE CONSTITUENTS IN IT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT TOURISM AREAS TRADITIONALLY.

>> CORRECT.

MORE BEDROOM COMMUNITIES.

>> MULTIFAMILY DWELL UNITS.

APARTMENT AREAS IN THE AIEA PEARL CITY AREA.

ALSO WALK UP HOUSING.

SO TWO OPPOSITE ENDS ON THIS QUESTION.

I'LL ADDRESS MOST RECENT ONE.

IMPACT RURAL COMMUNITIES AND I THINK LARRY HAS MENTIONED WE SAW THAT ORDINANCE 1918, TOOK AN EFFECT.

ANECDOTALLY, WE DID SEE NUMBER OF ILLEGAL RENTALS DID GO DOWN.

AND I EVEN HEARD PERSONAL STORIES WHERE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE HOMES.

BECAUSE NOW, THAT ADDS TO THE MARKET THAT MAY HAVE BEEN RENTED ILLEGALLY.

PER SE.

ON OTHER HAND, FOR THE HOTELS AND BEING CHARGED THAT, THAT IS THE PROPOSAL IN BILL HAD 41.

GO UP FOR TVUs TO THE HOTEL RATE.

WHICH I BELIEVE IS AT 1390 PER THOUSAND ASSESSED VALUE.

THEN THE CITY COUNCIL DID ALSO PUT IN THE BED & BREAKFAST RATE WHICH IS AT 650.

THAT IS THERE.

HASN'T BEEN ENFORCED.

ONE COMPROMISE AT THE COUNCIL WAS TO CREATE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM ESPECIALLY FOR THE BED & BREAKFAST TO HAVE A HOST OPERATOR.

SEEING WHAT AND HEARING WHAT DIRECTOR UCHIDA MENTIONED WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION GONE THROUGH, OPEN THE FLOODGATES FOR THAT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

CURRENT FORM, ULTIMATELY SHUT DOWN THE HALF A PERCENT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR BED & BREAKFAST HOSTS.

>>Yunji: ON THAT BED & BREAKFAST HOST QUESTION, THIS PERSON SAYS, MANY OF THE STATEMENTS ARE EGREGIOUS.

BED & BREAKFAST ARE LIKE IN‑LAWS WHERE OWNER IS ON SITE LIVING AND CAN REGULATE NOISE.

WHAT LARRY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THIS ISN'T OFF ISLAND INVESTMENTS.

>> IT'S ABOUT LOCAL FAMILIES FINDING WAYS TO GET BY.

IS THERE A PLACE FOR THAT KIND OF BUSINESS?

>> I THINK BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT AS THESE VACATION RENTALS BECOME PROFITABLE, PEOPLE GO OUT AND BUY HOUSES IN THAT COMMUNITY.

AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS BASICALLY, DOING SHORT‑TERM VACATION RENTALS.

I LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY SOME STUFF.

LARRY MENTIONED 800 NONCONFORM USES THAT ARE LEGAL RIGHT NOW, OF THAT 800, ONLY ABOUT 115 ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONED COMMUNITIES.

SO THE REST OF THEM ARE IN RESORT SO APARTMENT KIND OF THING, THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THEM TO GOING FORWARD.

115 LEGAL B & B SHORT‑TERM VACATION RENTALS IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

I THINK COVID WAS A WAKEUP CALL.

NOT ONLY FROM IMPACT IT HAD ON NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO, RESIDENTS BEGAN TO SEE WHAT HAWAII IS LIKE WITH NO TOURISM.

GO TO WAIKIKI BEACH, NO CROWD.

SO I THINK THE HTA TOOK UP PICKED THAT UP.

CAME UP WITH MANAGEMENT PLAN.

ABOUT TRYING TO CONTROL THE NUMBERS.

I THINK 7 MILLION, 8 MILLION, LARRY MENTIONED BEFORE, PEOPLE WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

WHEN IT REACHED 10 MILLION A COUPLE YEARS AGO A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

CAN VIEW THIS AS ANOTHER MEANS OF MANAGING TOURISTS NUMBERS THAT ARE COMING TO HAWAII.

I THINK THERE'S AN ARTICLE ABOUT HTA MENTIONING IT WASN'T ANY HOTEL CONSTRUCTION FROM 2009 TO RECENTLY.

YET TOURISTS NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP LIKE 3 MILLION OVER AT SAME PERIOD.

SO THE PEOPLE HAD GO SOMEWHERE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE HOTEL ROOMS, STAYING IN THE ILLEGAL RENTALS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CALLS.

>> I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS.

ABOUT POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST GIVEN THAT YOUR WIFE IS EXECUTIVE AT AQUA ASTON.

TOO MANY FOR ME TO GET TO READ ALL OF THEM.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> NO CONFLICT.

WIFE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LEGISLATION.

I WORK WITH BLANGIARDI ADMINISTRATION.

WE CAME UP WITH THIS ON OUR OWN.

>>Yunji: WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT IT IS TOO MUCH OF MANY IMPACTMENT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.

WHAT LARRY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE HIGH SPEND TOURISTS.

THAT WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE AND DON'T SHOP AT COSTCO.

IS THAT JUST, ARE WE TOO LATE FOR THAT ESSENTIALLY?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> CITY IS DOING ITS BEST TO REGULATE IT AND TRY TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL.

MAYBE COVID DID GIVE US LITTLE TIME TO HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON.

>> HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THIS?

TOURISTS ARE GOING COME BACK AND EVERYBODY SOMETHING GO WANT TO TRAVEL.

SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE.

I AM NOT COMFORTABLE JUDGING SOMEONE BY THEIR ABILITY TO EAT AT A EXPENSIVE RESTAURANT.

I HAVE WOULD KID WHEN IS I TRAVEL, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC DIETS.

I NEED TO GO TO COSTCO.

GET THEM WHAT THEY NEED.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TWO TODDLERS IF A HOTEL ROOM FOR 7 DAYS.

THAT IS QUITE THE ACTIVITIES.

SO I CAN'T ‑‑ I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THAT HE SHOULDN'T COME HERE.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT.

WOULDN'T WANT TO STAY.

I'M NOT SURE IF VACATION RENTAL IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN A HOTEL.

BUT I THINK IF THEY ARE STAYING IN A VACATION RENTAL, THEY ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO LOCAL STORES AND GAS STATIONS AND MINI MARTS SHOPPING AT OUR LOCAL INDUSTRY PLACES.

I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I HEARD IS WE WANT TO KEEP THE MONEY HERE.

WHATEVER WE DECIDE DO, WE WANT TO KEEP IT HERE.

WE WANT LOCAL BUSINESSES TO BENEFIT.

WE WANT LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND LOCAL VENDORS AND TOUR COMPANIES AND DIVE INSTRUCTORS AND SURF INSTRUCTORS THEY ALL DEPEND ON THIS INDUSTRY.

SO MANAGING IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

WHAT I WANT TO TELL SOMEONE YOU'RE ON A BUDGET, DON'T COME, NO.

I CAN'T.

I CAN'T SAY THAT I WOULD DO THAT.

I WOULD WANT TO FIND A WAY FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO AT LEAST VISIT AT ONE POINT IN THEIR LIFE BECAUSE I WOULD.

>>Yunji: IS THIS A CALL TO HAVE FEWER TOURISTS BUT HIGHER SPEND TO TURN US MORE INTO FRENCH POLYNESIA OR PLACE WHERE IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE?

YOU MAYBE GO ONCE IN A LIFETIME AS OPPOSED TO BEING A LOT OF THE VISITORS WE SAW OVER SUMMER I THINK THAT PEOPLE WERE SORT OF SHOCKED BY THE RUSH OF TOURISTS AND A LOT OF FROM US FIRST TIME VISITORS AND A LOT OF TENSION BETWEEN KAMA'AINA AND TOURISTS?

WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

PART OF THE BREAKDOWN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

TOTAL QUIET AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, ROAR CAME BACK.

IT CAME BACK PRETTY STRONGLY.

IS THE GOAL OF SOME OF MEASURE LIKE THIS TO FORCE OUT THOSE LOWER SPEND TOURISTS SO THAT WE JUST CULTIVATE THE HIGHER SPEND?

>> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE OPTIONS THEY CAN CHOOSE.

IT'S A CHOICE.

>> YOU CHOSE INTO THAT RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS DECISION YOU MAKE.

>> MANAGED TOURISM THAT HTA HAWAII TOURISM AUTHORITY PUT FORWARD LOOKING AT TYPE OF TOURISTS THAT WE HAVE HERE, NOT ABLE TO CONTROL THAT.

I THINK WHAT WE SAW WITH COVID JAPAN, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, GET MOST OF SORT OF THE HIGH END VISITORS THAT COME HERE, THEY WERE SHUTDOWN.

JUST LIKE HOW WE WERE AS WELL.

WHAT WE SAW WAS MORE PEOPLE DOMESTIC TRAVELERS FROM U.S. MAINLAND COMING TO TRAVEL HERE.

AND SPEND THEIR DOLLARS.

AND WHAT WE RECOGNIZE AND WHAT WE REALIZE, YES, WHILE IT WAS GREAT TO BE AROUND AND EXPERIENCE OUR OWN ISLAND HOME, WITHOUT HAVING TOURISTS, AND WE CAN ENJOY WAIKIKI OR AREAS.

DID RECOGNIZE IS I ALSO REPRESENT A GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS WHO WORK IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY AS WELL.

SERVICE WORKERS, MULTIPLE JOBS.

COME IN LINE TO GET FOOD.

BROKE MY HEART.

DEVASTATING SEE THAT LITTLE MEANS THAT, WHAT I RECOGNIZE WITH THAT IS THAT THEIR LIVELIHOODS DEPEND ON THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.

WE NEED SOME FORM OF TOURISM.

AND WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING BACK.

I MEAN, WOULD DOESN'T WANT TO COME HERE TO HAWAII, RIGHT?

AND AS KELLY MENTIONED WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE HAWAII.

>> BEAUTIFUL ISLAND HOME.

SO EXPENSIVE OVER THE YEARS.

LEGISLATIVE BILL 41 CAN HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS, DIFFERENT EFFECTS.

I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE GIVEN OPTION OF CHOICE AS TO WHERE THEY WANT TO RESIDE.

BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT FROM A LAND USE POLICY.

WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

>>Yunji: TO THAT QUESTION, SHOULDN'T THERE BE EXEMPTION BEACHFRONT HOUSES USED CHIEFLY FOR RENTALS.

NOT AFFORDABLE FOR RESIDENTS.

WOULD NOT DRIVE UP PROPERTY VALUES.

SHOULD THERE BE EXEMPTIONS.

>> NO.

HE LOOKED INTO THAT YEARS AGO.

OAHU IS ONE HOUSING MARKET PERIOD.

>> TAKE BEACHFRONT HOUSE MIGHT RENT FOR $10,000 A MONTH TAKE THAT OFF THE MARKET, THAT $1,000 SO GOING FOR MOVE 2 BLOCKS IN AND PAY 9500 FOR A PLACE USED TO RENT FOR $5,000.

>> WON'T HAPPEN.

TAKE SOME TIME.

AND ON THE BOTTOM END, SOMEBODY ENDS UP WITH NO HOUSE.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH NO HOUSES HERE.

THAT'S OUR BIGGEST ISSUE.

IS HOUSING.

AND AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING.

SO FORTH.

IMPACT THIS HAS ON THE HOUSING AVAILABILITY.

HOUSE ON THE BEACH PULLS PEOPLE.

HOUSE MANOA PULLS PEOPLE.

SO YOU TAKE ONE OUT, SOMEBODY IS WITHOUT A HOUSE.

>>Yunji: TO THAT HOUSING IMPACT, I WANT TO DRILL DOWN NUMBERS I GAVE YOU.

>> BELIEVE, YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW BETTER THAN I.

SHORT, I THINK IT'S 60,000 UNITS I THINK IS WHAT WE NEED.

IN HAWAII.

ON OAHU.

YOU CAN TELL ME OR MAYBE DEAN, CAN YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.

>> 25,000.

>>Yunji: 25,000 ON OAHU.

>> OF 60 STATEWIDE.

>>Yunji: I KNEW I WAS CLOSE.

NUMBERS WERE NOT QUITE.

JUST TAKE OAHU.

25,000 UNITS.

DOES THIS MAKE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WILL THIS MAKE.

>> HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

VERY GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.

CITY NOW CONSIDERING GETTING BACK INTO BUILDING HOUSING.

LOW INCOME HOUSING OR HOUSING PROJECTS.

SO FORTH.

IF YOU TAKE PRICE OF ONE OR TWO HOMES, LET'S SAY MILLION‑AND‑A‑HALF, $2 MILLION, AND PUT INTO THE DPP, FOR ENFORCEMENT, AND YOU KNOCK OFF HALF OF THOSE 10,000 HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED ILLEGALLY FOR VACATION RENTALS, YOU'VE JUST ACQUIRED 3‑AND‑A‑HALF BILLION DOLLARS WORTH HOUSING SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW.

READY TO GO.

CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER THING.

WHY ARE WE GOING TO TAX PEOPLE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING SO THIS INDUSTRY CAN THRIVE ON THE HOUSING THEY TAKEN OUT OF MARKETPLACE.

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR.

SO WHY TAX EVERYBODY FOR WHAT, CAN BE RETURNED TO THE HOUSE MARKET, ALREADY BUILT, READY TO GO.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN IS THE 18 PASSED, WE SAW HOUSES GOING OFF RENTAL MARKET, OFF THE SHORT‑TERM RENTAL MARKET AND BACK INTO HOUSING.

PEOPLE SOLD SOME OF THEM PEOPLE LIVE HERE.

WE KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE.

MUCH CHEAPER THAN BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS AND HOUSING PROJECTS.

>>Yunji: DEAN, LIFELONG RESIDENTS WANTS TO KNOW, WHY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEIR HOUSES CAN'T RENT OUT ROOMS FOR LESS THAN 6 MONTHS.

ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE ISN'T HEAVY TOURISM.

OR COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS.

>> GOING TO ALLOW THAT BILL, WANTS TO BASICALLY STOP THE TOURISTS RENTALS LESS THAN 180 DAYS.

WE HEARD SAID AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAKING EXEMPTIONS FOR LESS THAN 180 DAYS FOR THESE TYPES OF LEGITIMATE SHORT‑TERM RENTALS FOR NONTOURISTS RELATED ACTIVITIES.

>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK THOSE EXEMPTIONS WILL BE ADEQUATE.

>> I THINK THEY COULD BE.

THEY COULD BE HELPFUL.

BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT WORK MORE WORK ON DEPARTMENT FOR REGULATING THAT.

AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PAYMENT RATES PAPER WORK.

IS THAT YOU GO TO WORK ON REAL TIME AND HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE ON STAFF TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SHORTAGE OF HOUSING, WE'VE HAD SHORTAGE FOR WHEN I STARTED REAL ESTATE ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.

TALKING ABOUT THE SHORTAGES.

CITY HAS DONE QUITE A BIT DURING THAT TIME AND BUILT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE ISLAND.

YOU KNOW, WARD AND KAPOLEI.

WEST SIDE.

BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT, THERE'S A CONCERN I HAD WHEN YOU SAY, IF THERE'S A VACATION RENTAL, TAKEN OFF THE MARKET, THAT IS HOUSING.

WELL, IF THAT'S A $2 MILLION HOUSE IN KAILUA, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO COME BUY THAT.

ONE THING THAT I FOUND INTERESTING IS WE THOUGHT IT WAS TOURISM.

AFFECTING VACATION RENTALS.

WHEN COVID HAPPENED WE THOUGHT PRICES ARE GOING GO DOWN.

ALL OF THOSE ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS ARE GOING TO HAVE SELL.

CONDITION BE VACANT FOR 2 YEARS.

SO WE SHOULD SEE SOME PRICES ADJUSTING.

WE SAW THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

WENT THROUGH THE ROOF.

WHICH YOU KNOW, MUCH FASTER.

>> WE KNEW MEDIAN WAS GO GOING GET TO A MILLION BUT NOT FOR ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

DOES THAT VACATION RENTAL THAT TURNS INTO AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSE?

MAYBE NOT.

>>Yunji: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSE?

>> THE HOUSES, WE'RE IN A TIGHT MARKET, IT'S NOT OMAHA.

CAN'T JUST CHOP UP ANOTHER CORN FIELD AND PUT IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT AN OCEAN AROUND US.

UNLESS WE WANT TO PUT MORE DENSITY WHERE WE ARE.

WE HAVE HOUSING MARKET WE HAVE.

SO YOU TAKE ONE HOUSE OFF MARKET.

TAKE TEN THOUSAND HOUSES OUT OF THAT MARKET, AFFECT THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

LIKE THE STOCK MARKET.

IT ISN'T WHAT SOMEBODY'S REAL ESTATE IS WORTH.

WHAT IT IS FOR YESTERDAY, RENT GOS UP ON THE MARGIN.

RENT ADJUSTMENT, LOOK AT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GETTING, CHARGE PERCENT OR 2 BELOW THAT, IT WILL GO UP, UP BASED ON WHAT IS THE NORM, WHAT THEY CAN GET.

>>Yunji: DIRECT QUESTION TO YOU FROM BILL OF KALIHI.

BILL PASSED YOUR COMMITTEE FIRST READING ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL AS IS?

DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR?

>> RIGHT NOW, WE APPROVE EXTENSION OF TIME.

I'M NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM ALL SIDE.

BUT ALSO, TALK A DEEP DIVE AND DO OUR HOMEWORK FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE.

TO SEE WHAT CAN BE ADDED, WHAT CAN BE DELETED FROM THAT BILL, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD.

SO I DON'T HAVE A POSITION AT THIS POINT OF TIME.

>>Yunji: I WANT YOU TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

VIEWER EMAILED TO US.

WE PURCHASED WAIKIKI SUNSET CONDO UNIT IN 2007.

WITH THE INTENT OF USING IT 3 TO 6 MONTHS PER YEAR AS SECOND VACATION HOME AFTER RUSH HOUR RETIREMENT.

IF CITY FORCE OWNERS TO TRANSFER PRIVATE PROPERTY TO HOTEL MONOPOLY INDUSTRY, IS THIS NOT GOVERNMENT EXPROPRIATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT INTITLEMENT FOR COMPENSATION?

>> I'M ANSWER THAT BY SAYING, SAVE OAHU NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT THIS WITH OTHER GROUPS AND SO FORTH.

REALLY WANT TO SEPARATE THAT PART OF THE BILL OUT AS STANDS ON ITS OWN.

ENFORCEMENT ZONING CHANGES AND HOTEL REQUIREMENTS IN WAIKIKI, DON'T HAVE A BIG OPINION ON.

YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT SAY IT'S FAIR OR NOT.

I CAN'T SAY FAIR OR NOT FAIR.

EXPROPRIATION OF PROPERTY.

MAYBE IT IS.

MAYBE IT ISN'T.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY LIKE TO SEW THAT STUFF SEPARATED OUT.

MAKE THIS BILL ABOUT HOUSING AND ENFORCEMENT AND SO FORTH.

RATHER THAN WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH HOTEL OPERATIONS.

OR IN WAIKIKI.

>>Yunji: JOHN FROM HAWAII KAI ASKS, WHO IS MAKING SURE VACATION REPRESENTER ARE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND HOW MANY BEING LOST BY THOSE WHO DON'T PAY?

INTERESTING.

ANECDOTALLY.

HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE RENTING HOMES AND COLLECTING G.E.T.

AND PAYING THEM EVEN THEY THEY ARE DOING SO RENTING HOMES ILLEGALLY.

THERE ARE WEIRD TAX SITUATIONS WITH THIS.

>> WE HOPE BILL 41 PASSES, AT LEAST FROM THE MAKING LEGAL OPERATORS REGISTER, REGISTRATION PROCESS WILL ENSURE THAT THEY ARE PAYING REAL PROPERTY TAX.

PAYING G.E.T.

AND PAYING T.A.T.

>>Yunji: WE HAVE JUST FIVE MINUTE LEFT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE EACH OF YOU AND OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE FIND WORD WITH US.

START WITH YOU.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS ON THIS JUST YES.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO FOLKS WATCHING TONIGHT?

>> I WOULD SAY, FOLKS WATCHING TONIGHT, REALLY TUNE IN.

PARTICIPATE.

>> THIS IS DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

AND THIS PRIORITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

I KNOW THAT.

WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

THE LAST BILL 89 WHICH BECAME 1918, TOOK ALMOST 2 YEARS TO PASS.

DECADES OLD REALLY LOOK AT AN ISSUE THAT SAW BALLOONING EFFECT OF ILLEGAL VACATION RENTALS.

OPPORTUNITY AN PUBLIC HEARINGS AT LAST FIVE IN THE BILL WERE FURTHER MOVING ALONG FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT.

WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY THE START TO THIS FORUM WHERE WE ARE NOW AND SEEING HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE.

NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT EVERYTHING OR PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS PART OF OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

>>Yunji: KELLY, SO MANY FOLKS ARE FRUSTRATED, FELT OVERWHELMED.

FOLKS ARE IN SUPPORT.

>> I HAVE TO SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THEY LIKE BRANDON SAID, THEY WERE OUT OF THE WORK.

SO GET BACK TO WORK IN THE TOURISTS INDUSTRY, IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

A LOT OF US ARE DEPENDENT ON SOME FORM OF TOURISM TO SURVIVE.

WE CAN'T DO WITHOUT IT.

AND IT WAS NICE TO GO TO THE BEACH FEW TIMES AND I NEVER SEEN THAT IN MY LIFE, BEFORE, AND I WAS RAISED HERE.

MY WHOLE LIFE, AND NEVER DID I EXPERIENCE THAT.

IT WAS INTERESTING BUT I STILL HAD THIS FEELING OF SO MANY PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK.

AND HOW DO WE JUSTIFY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO, SURE.

BUT THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY IS NECESSARY.

SO WE DO NEED THAT.

ON BRANDON'S POINT ABOUT BILL 89, THE THING THAT I WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE AWAY, IS THAT TOOK OVER TWO YEARS.

AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT WAS NOBODY LEFT HAPPY.

NO ONE PARTY LEFT 100% HAPPY.

EVERYBODY HAD TO GIVE A LITTLE.

SO THAT WAS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

FAIR, VERY DRAWN OUT, A LOT OF EMOTIONS INVOLVED.

SO IF I COULD SAY ANYTHING, WE WANT REGULATION.

WE WANT TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE.

AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE.

NO ONE GETS TO WALK AWAY GETTING ALL THEIR WISHES.

>> IF WE DO THAT, THEN THAT IS DEMOCRACY AT WORK.

>>Yunji: LARRY?

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HOUSING, HOUSING, HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD LIFE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT MR. UCHIDA SAID IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT.

ABOUT THE TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT.

WE'VE LONG ADVOCATED THAT WITHIN THE DPP, SHOULD BE LAND USE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

TRAINED, NOT IN FIXED VIOLATIONS LIKE WALLS AND SIGNS.

BUT TRAINED IN ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAND USE LAWS.

>> CALLED LAND USE ORDINANCE.

>> NOT THE BUILDING ORDINANCE.

AND IT MEANS WE NEED A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS HAVE OFFICE CALLED P LAND USE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

AND THEY HAVE SPECIAL POWERS AND SO FORTH.

HAVE DIFFERENT TRAINING.

SO THEY'RE TRAINED IN THE LAW.

YOU KNOW, PLANNERS ARE GREAT PEOPLE.

BUT THEY JUST DON'T LOOK THAT TOUGH.

>>Yunji: OKAY.

>> IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOUSING HOUSING AND HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD LIFE.

>>Yunji: IS THIS THE THING FINALLY GOING TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE?

>> WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ELEFANTE SAID.

YEAH, THIS IS A PROCESS WE JUST STARTING.

KIND OF LIKE STARTING RIGHT NOW.

DESCRIBED TO ME, LEGISLATION LIKE MAKING SAUSAGE.

THROW KIND OF STUFF IN, WORK IT THROUGH.

SURPRISED WHAT COMES OUT AT THE END.

I WANT PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE LISTEN TO EVERYONE.

TRYING TO MAKE REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BILL AS IT MOVES THROUGH.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS THAT WILL BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO JUST LIKE COUNCILMEMBER ELEFANTE SAID, PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.

AND HELP US CRAFT A BILL THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE MAYBE NOT HAPPY WITH, BUT SATISFIED WITH.

>>Yunji: WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE FINAL MEAL IS FROM THIS SAUSAGE PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR BE HERE TONIGHT AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS ‑ DIRECTOR OF THE CITY’S DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING DEAN UCHIDA, KELLY LEE FROM THE OAHU SHORT‑TERM ALLIANCE, HONOLULU CITY COUNCILMEMBER BRANDON ELEFANTE, AND LARRY BARTLEY FROM THE GROUP SAVE OAHU’S NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE’RE OFF NEXT WEEK FOR THANKSGIVING, BUT INSIGHTS WILL BE BACK ON DECEMBER 2ND.

OUR PANEL THAT NIGHT WILL TAKE ON ANOTHER ISSUE FACING THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU, HOW TO BETTER MANAGE STORM WATER RUNOFF.

WE’LL DISCUSS A NEW PROPOSAL THAT COULD RESULT IN ADDITIONAL FEES FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I, ALOHA!