HAWAII ONE OF THE HIGHEST PERCENT YOUTH USING VAPING.

LEADS TO SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEMS.

LAWMAKERS WILL TRY AGAIN THIS YEAR PASS A LAW BANNING E‑CIGARETTES.

COULD EXPLAIN WATERED DOWN LAST MINUTE LOBBYING FROM THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.

JOIN THE DISCUSSION NEXT ON PBS HAWAII.

¶¶ >>Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M DARRYL HUFF.

HAWAII HAS ONE OF THE NATIONS HIGHEST RATES OF YOUTH VAPE USE.

NEARLY ONE IN THREE TEENS REPORT USING VAPING PRODUCTS.

WITH THESE ALARMING FACTS IN MIND, LAWMAKERS TRIED LAST YEAR TO PASS A MEASURE THAT WOULD HAVE PROHIBITED THE SALE OF FLAVORED E‑CIGARETTES.

ADVOCATES FOR THE BILL CLAIM THAT FLAVORS SUCH AS FRUIT, CANDY, AND MINT ENTICE CHILDREN TO USE THEM.

LAST MINUTE CHANGES IN THE SENATE ADDED LOOPHOLES TO THE BILL WHICH ULTIMATELY LED GOVERNOR IGE TO VETO THE BILL – AT THE URGING OF ITS ORIGINAL SPONSORS.

ADVOCATES ARE PUSHING AGAIN FOR THE BAN.

WILL THEY DO BETTER THIS YEAR?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL US OR CALL US WITH YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE CONVERSATION ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW TO OUR GUESTS.

REPRESENTATIVE SCOT MATAYOSHI IS THE STATE HOUSE MEMBER FOR DISTRICT 49 WHICH COVERS PARTS OF KANEOHE AND KAILUA.

HE WAS THE CO‑SPONSOR FOR HOUSE BILL 1570 IN 2022 WHICH SOUGHT TO OUTLAW THE SALE OF FLAVORED E‑CIGARETTES.

SENATOR JARRETT KEOHOKALOLE REPRESENTS STATE SENATE DISTRICT 24 WHICH TAKES PARTS OF KANEOHE AND KAILUA AND PUOHALA VILLAGE.

PRIOR TO HIS ELECTION TO THE STATE SENATE IN 2018 HE SERVED IN THE HAWAII HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN DISTRICT 48.

SCOTT STENSRUD IS THE STATEWIDE YOUTH COORDINATOR FOR THE HAWAII PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE WHERE HE MENTORS THE COALITION FOR A TOBACCO‑FREE HAWAII’S YOUTH COUNCIL.

HE IS PART OF THE TEAM FOR THE YOUTH ENGAGEMENT ALLIANCE, A NATIONAL COALITION FOSTERING YOUTH ENGAGEMENT AND ADVOCACY AGAINST THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.

MICHAEL ZEHNER IS THE CO‑CHAIR OF THE GRASSROOTS ADVOCACY GROUP, HAWAII SMOKER’S ALLIANCE THAT WAS FOUNDED IN 2006 TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE ANTI‑SMOKING AND ANTI‑VAPING LEGISLATION.

HE IS ALSO THE SECOND VICE CHAIR ON THE ALA MOANA, KAKAAKO NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.

LET ME START WITH YOU.

ONE IN THREE, WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM?

IS IT WIDESPREAD LIKE THAT OR IS IT LOCALIZED?

HOW MUCH OF A CRISIS IS THIS REALLY THAT WE'RE DEMANDS LEGISLATION?

>> COMES BACK FROM YRBS STUDY.

YOUTH RISK BEHAVIORAL STUDY.

STUDY THAT'S DONE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND YEAH, SHOWS THAT APPROXIMATELY ONE IN THREE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS REPORT USING E‑CIGARETTE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.

SO YEAH, IT'S INTERPRET ALARMING.

MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS, 18%.

SO THAT IS ALSO VERY CONCERNING.

BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS TO BE GOING LOWER AND LOWER EVERY YEAR.

>>Daryl: LET ME GIVE MICHAEL A CHANCE.

KIND OF OUTNUMBERED HERE IN TERMS ADVOCATES FOR BAN VERSUS YOUR POSITION.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALARMED ABOUT?

>> NO.

NOT AT ALL.

SO I EXPECT FIGURE TO BE EXAGGERATED.

DATA HERE FROM THE FDA.

AND ANNUAL NATIONAL YOUTH TOBACCO SURVEY.

THEY'RE SAYING IT'S ONLY 11.3%.

>>Daryl: NATIONWIDE.

>> NATIONWIDE.

YEAH.

>>Daryl: HAWAII IS WORSE THAN MOST PLACE.

>> FOUR TIME WORSE.

>> HARD TO BELIEVE.

THAT'S THE DATA WE HAVE FOR THIS.

TYPICALLY, THESE SURVEYS ARE DONE WITH PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE A BIAS ON THE ISSUE.

THEY WANT TO BAN THESE PRODUCTS.

AGAINST THEM.

SO NATURALLY FIND THE MOST SENSATIONAL NUMBERS THEY HAVE.

THIS HAS BEEN SEEN BEFORE.

LIKE IS YOUR SURGEON GENERAL ANALYSIS SECONDHAND SMOKE, CHERRY PICK STUDIES DONE BY FAVORABLE PEOPLE TO CREATE STUDY TO SELL LEGISLATION.

SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SOURCE OF THIS INFORMATION.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT, YOU INTRODUCED A BILL TO BAN IT.

WHEN YOU HEAR IT ARGUMENT LIKE THAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL LIKE RESPONDING?

>> I FEEL LIKE THE ARGUMENT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

KNOWN DECADES NICOTINE ADDICTIVE STUDY.

>> ALMOST LIKE HEROINE.

SELL IN FLAVORS OF COTTON CANDY.

FLAVORS APPEAL TO MARKET TO CHILDREN.

NOT GOING TO SAY TOBACCO IS BEAT, BUT TOBACCO USE IS ON A HUGE DECLINE UNTIL VAPING CAME ALONG AND STARTED INTRODUCE NICOTINE PRODUCTS THROUGH FLAVORS APPEALED TO CHILDREN.

ENTIRE GENERATIONS OF STUDENTS AND KIDS THAT ARE GETTING ADDICTED TO NICOTINE AND GOING TO BE ADDICTED REST OF THEIR LIVES.

IF THE NUMBER IS SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN SOME STUDIES, THAT'S FINE, I GUESS.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE INCREDIBLY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUTH SOLD IN COTTON CANDY FLAVORS.

ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE IN ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

>>Daryl: YOU HAVE A CHILD IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND WHAT BRINGS YOU TO THIS ISSUE AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HOW BAD A PROBLEM IS OR ISN'T?

>> I THINK ABOUT IT COMES BACK TO THOSE PREDATORY FLAVORS, OBVIOUSLY BEING MARKETED TOWARDS CHILDREN.

JUUL, VAPING GIANT CORPORATION, YOU KNOW, WAS FINE AS A RESULT OF PROOF, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE PUT FORWARD, SHOW THEY WERE DELIBERATELY MARKETING TOWARD CHILDREN.

SOME OF THESE TACTICS THEY DO FOLLOW THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY'S PREROGATIVE.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY DAD IS A SMOKER.

MENTHOL.

WHEN YOU HAVE FLAVORS LIKE COTTON CANDY OR MANGO ICE, ALL THE ONES ICE FLAVOR ON IT.

COOLING FLAVOR USED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.

SOOTHS THROAT, MAKES IT EASIER TO GET PEOPLE STARTED ADDICTED.

REALLY TYPE OF PRODUCTS THAT ONES THAT SCOTT HAVE, THAT REALLY DO NEED TO LIMIT ACCESS TO ESPECIALLY TO KIDS.

>>Daryl: I KNOW YOU BROUGHT SOME OF THESE PRODUCTS.

WITH YOU.

COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU HAVE THERE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE?

ALSO, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE ‑‑ SHOW US.

SIGNIFICANCE OF HOW THEY'RE PACKAGED AND WHAT'S IN THEM?

>> SURE.

THESE ARE JUST A RANGE OF DEVICES KIND OF LATEST THAT KIDS ARE USING.

DISPOSABLE.

INEXPENSIVE.

THEY HAVE HIGH PERCENTAGE OF NICOTINE.

MOST OF THEM ARE 5%.

AND REPRESENTATIVE MATAYOSHI SAID, INCREDIBLY ADDICTIVE.

NOT LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER CIGARETTES WHEN FIRST STARTED.

NICOTINE LEVEL IS MUCH HIGHER.

KIDS ARE BECOMING MUCH MORE ADDICTED.

YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE ALOHA SUN LILIKOI PASSION HERE.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

EXACTLY LIKE HAWAIIAN SUN FRUIT DRINK CAN KIDS USE.

RAINBOW CANDY.

CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY RAINBOW CANDY HIT.

THIS IS A HUGE CONCERN.

IT'S A CONCERN NOT JUST WITH THE E‑CIGARETTES OTHER TOBACCO AS WELL.

YOUTH PUSHING FOR THE SALE OF ALL FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS INCLUDING MENTHOL CIGARETTES.

DON'T WANT A GATEWAY OF IF YOU TAKE THIS AWAY, KIDS WERE GOING TO THE MENTHOL CIGARETTE.

>> CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION ON THIS.

ARE YOU ARGUING THAT IT'S OKAY FOR KIDS TO HAVE THIS OR DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BANNED BECAUSE ADULTS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT?

>> I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE SALE OF IT TO KIDS.

ALREADY ILLEGAL TO BUY THIS ALL THE WAY UP TO AGE 21.

ILLEGAL.

THOSE GUYS THAT ARE GETTING IT, GETTING IT FROM THE BLACK MARKET.

SOFT OR HARD BLACK MARKET.

ALREADY BANNED.

NOT MUCH POINT IN THIS BILL.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU TO THE GOVERNOR'S MESSAGE.

GOVERNOR, VETOED IT.

BECAUSE SOMETHING SUPPOSEDLY TOBACCO INDUSTRY PUT IN.

IF YOU READ THE END OF THE BILL, SEE THE REAL REASON.

THIS BILL CONTAINS SUBJECTS THAT GO BEYOND THE TITLE AND VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 3 SECTION 14 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF HAWAII.

BILL WAS VETOED PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF BLATANTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>>Daryl: HOLD ON.

LET SCOTT RESPOND.

>> REASON WASN'T THAT SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BILL WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

JUST THE TITLE.

RELATED TO YOUTH VAPING WHICH DIDN'T MATCH.

THEY THOUGHT IT DIDN'T MATCH ENOUGH SUBJECT MATTER OF THE BILL.

NEW BILL RELATED TO HEALTH.

SHOULD BE BROAD ENOUGH NOT RUN TO ANY KIND OF CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES.

>>Daryl: GET BACK TO YOU MICHAEL.

TECHNICAL REASON FOR THE VETO REGARDLESS, THERE WAS A SENSE OF THAT WHAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING IS THE FACT THEY'RE SUGGESTING TOBACCO INDUSTRY ENGINEERED THIS VETO BY SABOTAGING THE BILL.

>> MORE INTO THAT LATER.

STICK TO THAT POINT.

BILL CLAIMS THAT'S DOING IT TO BAN YOUTH ACCESS TO THESE PRODUCTS.

IN EFFECT, ALL IT'S DOING IS BANNING IT FOR PEOPLE AGE 2 AND UP.

>>Kelly: LET ME ASK.

IF YOU DON'T BAN IT, AND ARE GETTING IT FROM THE BLACK MARKET, HOW DO YOU STOP THE BLACK MARKET FROM GETTING IT SUPPLY?

>> BANNING IT OUT RIGHT.

ONLY GOING TO ENHANCE IT.

GOING TO BE MORE SMUGGLING.

MORE INTERNET SALES.

PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK.

FIREWORKS USED TO RELATIVELY TAME FIREWORKS.

FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET AROUND THE SYSTEM.

LOOK AT NEW YEAR'S EVE.

>> FIREWORKS ARE 16 OR 17 PEOPLE A YEAR.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHOLE POPULATION.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE TYPES OF PREDATORY MARKETING PRODUCTS SHOULDN'T BE FOR SALE TO ANYONE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND ADULTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO USE COTTON CANDY FLAVORED PRODUCTS.

REALLY CLEAR THESE TYPES OF PRODUCTS ARE GOING TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE TO USE THEM.

YEAR AFTER YEAR, THERE ARE KIDS WHO COME AND TESTIFY AT THE LEGISLATURE AS TO HOW PREVALENT THE USE OF THESE PRODUCTS ARE IN SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE PRINCIPALS.

WE HAVE TEACHERS.

WE HAVE STAFF IN THESE COMMUNITIES.

SO YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT ABOUT PROHIBITION.

BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A LINE WHEN IT COMES TO PRODUCTS JUST EGREGIOUSLY BEING MARKETED TO CHILDREN.

>>Daryl: SCOTT?

REPRESENTATIVE?

>> I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE WHOLE BLACK MARKET ARGUMENT.

2009, WE AS THE COUNTRY BANNED FLAVORED CIGARETTES, BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WAS IT WAS TARGETED KIDS.

ADVERTISEMENT, FLAVORS, MAKING NICOTINE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO YOUNG PEOPLE.

RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE A BLACK MARKET FOR FLAVORED CIGARETTES.

SAME WAY, FOR A PRODUCT TARGETING CHILDREN.

MAKES INCREDIBLY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE ACCESSIBLE TO CHILDREN.

ADDICTION FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE, I DON'T SEE LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT THAT WE SHOULDN'T BAN IT BECAUSE GO TO THE BLACK MARKET, WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WORKED IN 2009, I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK TODAY.

>>Daryl: FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WORKING WITH YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS.

HOW ARE THESE THINGS MOVING?

HOW THEY MOVE IN COMMUNITY?

I MEAN, ARE THEY GETTING FROM THEIR PARENTS?

GETTING IT HOW ARE THESE THINGS MOVING AND GETTING INTO THE HANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE?

>> THEY'RE BUYING THEM ONLINE.

AND FLAVOR BAN IS ONE ASPECT.

THAT'S YOUTH FEEL IS IMPORTANT.

THE OTHER ASPECT IS REGULATING E‑CIGARETTES SAME AS OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

ENDING SALE ONLINE TOBACCO, TAXING THE SAME AS OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND REPRESENTATIVE MATAYOSHI AND SENATOR IS WHAT YOUR NAME.

>>Daryl: DON'T EVEN TRY.

>> >> BEEN WORKING ON THESE ISSUES WITH US AND BUT IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH.

THE YOUTH WOULD BE FIRST TO SAY IT'S NOT JUST FLAVORS.

BUT FLAVORS WHAT ENTICE STUDENTS.

NICOTINE IS WHAT GETS THEM ADDICTED.

CRITICAL PART OF COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO LIMIT KIDS STARTING TOBACCO.

1400 PEOPLE DIE EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN HAWAII.

FROM BACK TOBACCO RELATED ILLNESS.

1400 PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT THE ONLINE BAN, CAN YOU A STATE BAN THE SALE AND PREVENT STUFF FROM COMING IN OR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

>> TOBACCO IS REALLY REGULATED IN HAWAII.

RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAXES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

DETERRENT EFFECT FROM DOING THINGS BANNING FLAVOR.

>> YOU STILL HAVE THOUSAND OF SMOKERS IN HAWAII EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T BUY FLAVORED CIGARETTES.

CONTINUE TO HAVE ADULTS WOULD USE VAPE PRODUCTS.

THEY JUST WON'T BE ABLE TO USE PASSION FRUIT OR MANGO ICE OR COTTON CANDY.

SO TO ME, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE CLEAR PATTERN HERE.

OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO ATTRACT CHILDREN.

WE HAVE LOTS OF EVIDENCE ANECDOTAL DATA QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE SHOW KIDS ARE USING THIS STUFF.

>>Daryl: IF THE BLACK MARKET WOULD EXIST IF THEY HAD FEDERAL LEGISLATION OR SOMETIME LEGISLATION TO BAN ONLINE SALE, LIKE BAN ONLINE SALE OF CIGARETTES AS I UNDERSTAND.

WOULD THAT DO THE TRICK OF PREVENTING PRODUCT FROM COMING IN AND END BLACK MARKET ISSUE YOU'RE BRINGING UP?

>> PROBABLY STILL GET SMUGGLED IN SO SOME EXTENT.

LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

1,400, BEING CAUTIONED BY VAPING PRODUCTS.

>> TOBACCO RELATED ILLNESS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VAPE HERE?

YOU DON'T AGREE SMOKE NICOTINE WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG MAKE YOU MORE LIKELY TO SMOKE CIGARETTES.

>> TRYING TO MERGE THE TWO TOGETHER.

TRYING TO PUT FULL LEATHER AND REAL LEATHER TOGETHER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA FOR THAT?

>> I SAID TOBACCO RELATED ILLNESS.

>> LUMPING IT IN.

I WOULD ASSUME YOU'RE BLAMING WHATEVER TRADITIONALTOBACCO CAUSE AND JUST PUSHING THAT INTO THAT.

>> ALWAYS KNOW, RELATIVELY NEW PRODUCTS.

>> CONCERN IS WE'RE ADDICTING WHOLE NEW GENERATION TO NICOTINE AND TO TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

IT'S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED, TRANSITION OF YOUTH FROM USING E‑CIGARETTES INTO COMBUSTIBLE TOBACCO PRODUCTS.

SO THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS 1400 PEOPLE FROM THE PREDATORY PRACTICE OF INDUSTRY FROM DECADES AGO.

AND NOW, WE'RE SEEING EXPLOSION OF UGANDA USE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT NUMBER GOING UP EVEN HIGHER BECAUSE OF YOUTH GETTING STARTED AT A YOUNG AGE BECAUSE OF THESE PRODUCTS.

>> ANOTHER SEGMENT OF THIS IS UTILIZATION OF THE VAPE DEVICE IN GENERAL.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST HAVE VAPE CARTRIDGES THAT CONTAIN NICOTINE.

NOWADAYS, VAPE CARTRIDGES USED FOR MARIJUANA, MARIJUANA EXTRACTS TYPES OF OILS AN OTHER PRODUCTS INCLUDING SOME OF THE HARDER DRUGS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET KIDS STARTED ON AND USED TO SMOKING A DEVICE LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S REGULAR TOBACCO CIGARETTE OR VAPE CARTRIDGE, THAT'S A HABIT YOU'RE DEVELOPING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.

TO SCOTT'S POINT, A WHOLE GENERATION OF KIDS THAT HAVE BROUGHT UP BEEN BROUGHT UP WITH THAT HABIT.

THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO KICK.

>> WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY AND DEVICES THAT ARE USED IN THE SUBSTANCES THAT ARE PUT IN THEM, ARE GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME.

BUT WHAT HE DO KNOW IS THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS OF KIDS THAT GET A ADDICTED TO THE FLAVORS THAT CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THE VAPE CARTRIDGES.

>>Daryl: DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA THAT SAYS THAT PEOPLE WHO GET HOOKED OR INVOLVED WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH TOBACCO OR OTHER NICOTINE DELIVERY DEVICE?

DO YOU DENY THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS MARKETING TO YOUTH AND THE USE OF OTHER PRODUCTS LATER?

>> YOU MEAN LIKE CIGARS AND CIGARETTES.

>>Daryl: YES.

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT, YES, IT CAN BE A PLEASURABLE HABIT WHEN YOU USE THOSE.

HE HASN'T CONDEMNED ANY OF THE PRODUCT.

DO THOSE HAVE LEAD IN THEM?

HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S HURTING PEOPLE?

CAUSING CANCER?

COFFEE HABIT FORMING TOO.

SO NOT ENOUGH OF AN ARGUMENT.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

HEAVY METAL, AEROSOL PRODUCED, INDUSTRY LIKES TO CALL THEM VAPORS.

>> AEROSOL.

HEAVY METAL CADMIUM, FORMALDEHYDE, CHEMICALS TO USED, COMBINATION OF THOSE CHEMICALS WHEN HEATED, CREATES FORMALDEHYDE.

FLAVORING HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED FOR INHALATION.

AND MANY OF THE SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT PRODUCE THE FLAVORS HAVE WARNINGS ON THEIR WEBSITES THAT SAY, THAT THEY'RE KNOWN CARCINOGENS AND NOT TO USE THEM FOR VAPING.

FOR INHALATION.

FDA NOT APPROVED THEM.

>> GIVE ME EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE PRODUCTS BY NAME.

>> FLAVORA, PRODUCE FLAVORINGS FOR THAT ARE USED IN E‑CIGARETTES.

>>Daryl: CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION?

BIG PICTURE.

YOU ARE BEING I'M NOT GOING TO SAY PICKED ON.

YOU VOLUNTEERED TO BE HERE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

>> MY FAVORITE.

>>Daryl: FINE.

BIG PICTURE.

WHY DO YOU DEFEND THESE PRODUCTS?

>> I ENJOY THEM.

MY CIVIL RIGHT.

>>Daryl: WHICH PRODUCT DO YOU USE?

>> I USE THE ELF.

USE THE BLUE.

BLUE E‑CIG.

ALSO ENJOY MENTHOL CIGARETTES.

ENHANCES QUALITY OF LIFE.

>> LIKE IT.

RELAXING.

ENHANCES MY MENTAL ACUITY.

AND THIS BILL IS CLEARLY TARGETED AGAINST ME.

USING THIS YOUTH THING AS A DOGGING POINT.

AS LEVERAGE TO BAN IT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ADULTS.

I'LL GET A LITTLE MORE INTO THAT LATER.

>>Daryl: DO YOU USE TOBACCO ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

JUST.

>> I USE TOBACCO.

SMOKE CIGARS.

>> CIGARETTES.

VAPE.

I LOVE IT.

NO DESIRE TO QUIT.

>>Daryl: YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE HEALTH CONDITIONS THE THAT'S THE RISK YOU TAKE.

>>Daryl: YOU THINK IT'S WORTHING.

>> GO SURFING, YOU TAKE A RISK OUR MIGHT DROWN.

LIMB GET BITTEN OFF BY A SHARK.

>>Daryl: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD GIVE IT UP TOMORROW?

I DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

PLEASURABLE HABIT.

>>Daryl: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU COULD BE HOOKED ON IT.

>> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE EASY TO GIVE UP.

NO.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE?

>> I HAD AN ARGUMENT BEFORE.

IT'S MY RIGHT TO VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS.

CIVIL RIGHT TO DO THIS.

RIGHTS ARE NOT ABSOLUTE.

YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHOUT FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER.

WHEN A RIGHT STARTS TO INFLING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S SAFETY, INFRINGE OTHER PEOPLE'S SAFETY AND WELFARE, THAT'S WHERE THE RIGHT ENDS.

IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS REALLY NEGATIVELY HARMING YOUTH.

I DO NOT THINK THAT PERSON'S SUPPOSED RIGHT TO VAPE A CERTAIN FLAVOR OVERRIDES A SOCIETY'S NEED TO PROTECT ITS CHILDREN.

PROTECT ITS STUDENT AN LEARNING HABITS.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

MIDDLE GROUND HERE?

BETWEEN ADULT'S RATE TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTERESTER USING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND KEEPING IT FROM CHILDREN?

MIDDLE GROUND SHORT OF BANNING?

>> MENTIONED IT.

WE'RE NOT TAKING, NOT BANNING VAPING.

WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE FLAVORS SHOULD BE BANNED.

SO THEY CAN HAVE TOBACCO FLAVORED VAPES IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.

CAN IS ARE NOT GOING TO START USING MAJORITY OF CHILDREN ARE NOT GOING TO START USING TOBACCO FLAVORED E‑CIGARETTES.

>>Daryl: DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE YOUTH MARKET, WE THINK OF A BETTER WORD, IS USING FLAVORED VERSUS OTHER TYPES OF VAPES.

>> I CAN GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

81% OF YOUTH THAT TRY TOBACCO NICOTINE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

FLAVORED.

ENORMOUS PART OF YOUTH STARTING TO GET A ADDICTED TO NICOTINE.

USING THESE FLAVORED VAPING PRODUCTS.

>>Daryl: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

>> >> JUST IT FINISH THAT OFF, WE KNOW THAT BANNING FLAVORED, BANNING VAPE FLAVORS IS NOT GOING TO STOP ADULTS FROM USING VAPE PRODUCTS AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STOP ALL CHILDREN FROM USING VAPE PRODUCTS.

OVERALL STRATEGY HERE TO JUST REDUCE INCIDENCE OF HARM THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY TAKING PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE BEFORE US.

SO YES, YOU CAN HAVE AN ARGUMENT BASED OFF OF EVIDENCE AND DATA AS TO WHETHER SOMETHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

BUT THERE'SES IS A SET SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE A PART TO PLAY.

PARENTS AND CHILDREN AND TEACHERS AND PRINCIPALS WHO COME EVERY YEAR TO TRY AND HAVE A INTERJECT AND TAKE SOME SORT OF REASONABLE STEPS TO ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM.

PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET IT PERFECT.

WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.

>>Daryl: GOES RIGHT INTO QUESTION, WE HAVE FROM ANONYMOUS VIEWER WHO IS A RETIRED TEACHER.

>> FEELS RULES SHOULD BE MORE STRICT IN SCHOOLS FOR ENFORCEMENT.

TOO EASY FOR STUDENTS TO VAPE RIGHT IN CLASS WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT.

HOW EASY IS IT FOR STUDENTS TO BE VAPING IN A COMMUNITY OR IN SCHOOL IN A STORE, WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT?

THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT?

>> LOOK AT THIS PRODUCT.

STUDENT HAS IN THEIR HAND.

PURPOSELY DOING THAT.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAND TO MOUTH.

THESE DO NOT PUT OUT THE BIG CLOUDS LIKE THE MOD DEVICE.

DISPOSABLE DEVICES, IF THEY HOLD IT IN LONG ENOUGH, OR BLOW IT INTO THEIR COLLAR, TEACHER WILL NEVER EVEN SEE IT.

THESE KIDS ADDICTED TO THESE PRODUCTS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TARGETED, MARKETED, AS MENTIONED, JUUL WAS CAUGHT MARKETING TO KIDS.

SPONSORING SUMMER CAMPS.

ADVERTISING ON THE NICKELODEON WEBSITE.

CARTOON NETWORK WEBSITE.

THAT HAS ALL BEEN SETTLED.

THESE OTHER PRODUCTS, HOW CAN YOU RICK AND MORTY, SQUID GAME DEVICES.

LOOK LIKE SODA THAT THEY DRINK.

CAN'T TELL US THEY'RE NOT MARKETING TOWARDS THE KIDS.

KIDS ADDICTED.

NOT GOING TO PUNISH ADDICTION OUT OF THEM.

THEY NEED HELP, WHICH IS WHY ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT THE YOUTH FEELS VERY IMPORTANT IS FUNDING YOUTH CESSATION PROGRAM.

SO WE CAN HELP THE KIDS THAT ARE USING THESE PRODUCTS.

GET OFF OF THEM.

BECAUSE YOU TALKED TO THEM.

MOST OF THEM WANT TO QUIT.

THEY DIDN'T A LOT OF THEM DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS NICOTINE IN THESE PRODUCTS OR REALLY KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT NICOTINE.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

LOOKING AT THESE PRODUCTS.

THEY ARE COLORFUL AND PRETTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

YOU WOULD KNOW ENOUGH TO CHOOSE ONE THAT JUST HAD A PLAIN BLACK AND WHITE LABEL ON IT.

FOR YOUR OWN USE.

SO DO YOU AGREE THAT IT LOOKS FAIRLY CLEAR THAT THESE ARE BEING MARKETED TO VERY, VERY YOUNG PEOPLE NOT MIDDLE‑SCHOOLERS.

IS IT CLEAR THAT YOU THAT THEY'RE MARKETING TO YOUNG PEOPLE?

IS THAT OKAY TO YOU?

>> NO.

EXACTLY LIKE WHEN I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE.

KIDS WALKING AROUND.

LIQUOR AISLE.

ARE THOSE BOTTLES DRAB AND BORING MINUS FLAVORS.

OR ARE THEY COLORFUL AND BEAUTIFUL AND PRETTY AND JUULED AND SPARKLING.

>>Daryl: I'M ASKING YOU ABOUT THOSE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE ON THAT TABLE.

>> LIQUOR AISLE.

>>Daryl: YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

DO YOU THINK THAT IS LIKELY BEING MARKETED SPECIFICALLY TO CHILDREN AND IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU?

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> NOT BEING SPECIFICALLY MARKETING TO CHILDREN.

A LOT OF CONSUMPTION IS BY ADULTS THAT ARE ENGAGED IN WHAT THEY FEEL IS HARM REDUCTION.

AND SOME EVEN HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE AGREED THAT DOES PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL HARM REDUCTION.

CONSUMING TAR AND STUFF, TRADITIONAL TOBACCO SIGNIFICANCE PRAISED PRODUCT.

ANTI‑SMOKING LOBBY SUPPRESSED.

AS IS HE CESSATION TOOL TO DO HARM REDUCTION.

>> >>Daryl: THAT IS NOT YOUR SITUATION?

>> IF I MAY, IF THESE ARE CESSATION DEVICE, THERE IS AN AVENUE WITH THE FDA TO GET THEM APPROVED.

BUT THE REALITY IS MOST PEOPLE THAT TRY TO USE THEM AS A CESSATION DEVICE END UP JUST SWITCHING AND MANY OF THEM BECOME DUAL USERS.

WHICH THEN ACTUALLY, INCREASES DIFFERENT CHEMICALS TOXIC CHEMICALS THEY'RE INHALING.

WORSE SITUATION.

>>Daryl: GO AHEAD.

QUICKLY.

>> TO MARKET THESE CESSATION DEVICE.

RIDICULOUS.

OVERALL BIG PICTURE, SOME OF THEM COULD USE CESSATION DEVICES.

ADULTS.

ADDICTING MORE YOUTH AND VASTLY MORE YOUTH THAN PEOPLE ARE QUITTING NICOTINE, MAKING OVERALL PROBLEM MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT IS GOING TO HELP US CEASE TOBACCO AND NICOTINE ADDICTION HERE.

THIS IS A PROBLEM, PRODUCT THAT IS HE EXPONENTIALLY GROWING NICOTINE AND LONGTERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES STATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

>>Daryl: QUESTION FROM MILES IN HAWAII KAI.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THIS WILL PLAY OUT.

JUST THROW IT OUT THERE.

FOR THE LAWMAKERS, WILL YOU ALSO FOCUS ON MARKETING SUGAR PRODUCTS TO KIDS AS YOU ARE WITH FLAVORED E‑CIGS?

SENATOR, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

JUST SAYING, WE ALLOW SUGAR PRODUCTS TO BE MARKETED TO KIDS YOU KNOW, HONESTLY,.

>> FAIR POINT.

THE PROBLEM FOR ME IS NICOTINE IS AS ADDICTED AS HEROIN.

MAYBE SUGAR IS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TEACHER AND STUDENTS AND PRINCIPALS AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY MEMBER LISA AU'S OUT HERE SAYING WE SHOULD BAN CAPTAIN CRUNCH BECAUSE THEY'RE USING IT THE BATHROOM AND BORROWING MONEY FROM THEIR CLASSMATES GO BUY EXTRA BOWLS OF CEREAL.

SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT COME FROM OVERCONSUMPTION OF SUGAR.

SO IT'S MAYBE A FAIR COMPARISON BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE ARE PEOPLE DON'T GO FROM SUGAR TO MARIJUANA OR TO OTHER SYNTHETIC DEVICES THAT YOU CAN PUT IN THESE VAPE PRODUCTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ACTION.

>>Daryl: HOW DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT AM I GOING TO FOCUS ON?

YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE LEGISLATURE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

DO YOU CHOOSE WHICH HEAT PROBLEM TO ATTACK?

HEALTH PROBLEM TO ATTACK?

>> I THINK SENATOR BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

THIS IS INCREDIBLY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE.

SUGARY DON'T THINK WE WOULD COMPARE TO HEROIN OR NICOTINE.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE GAME OF WHAT ABOUTISM.

WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM AT ONCE.

WHAT ARE YOU SOLVING THIS ONE?

MAKES NO SENSE.

OTHER ISSUES IN THE STATE WE NEED TO DEAL WITH.

HUGE ONE WE ALSO NEED TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE WE'RE CHOOSING TO ADDRESS THIS ONE NOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF LONGTERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES THIS COULD CAUSE LATER.

>> BRING IN OTHER THINGS LIKE SUGAR TRYING TO DISTRACT FROM THE POINT THIS IS A SERIOUS SITUATION THAT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES IS GOING TO BE A VERY LONGTERM CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITION FOR OUR STATE.

AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS NOW.

SUGAR LATER.

>>Daryl: FOR SCOTT, GIVEN INFORMATION YOU HAVE COMING OUT OF THE YOUTH THAT YOU DEAL WITH, SO ON, BACK TO OUR TEACHERS SAYING MAYBE SCHOOL SHOULD BE DOING ENFORCEMENT, WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES, HAPPENING ON A EVEN KEEL ACROSS THE COMMUNITY OR THERE'S CERTAIN COMMUNITIES WHERE IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN OTHER PLACES?

HOW MUCH DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF PARENT TO PARENT AND BE HOME?

THOSE SORT OF ISSUES.

HOW MUCH IS THAT PLAYING INTO THIS ISSUE?

>> IT'S EVERYWHERE PROBLEM.

TO LABEL IT AS A SCHOOL PROBLEM, ALONE.

ONE OF OUR STUDENTS COUPLE YEARS AGO, BROUGHT THAT UP.

THIS IS NOT A SCHOOL PROBLEM.

IT'S EVERYWHERE PROBLEM.

IT'S JUST HAPPENS THAT KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL.

AND TEACHERS ARE SEEING IT AND SEEING IMPACTS ON THE STUDENTS EDUCATION.

HOW THE NICOTINE IS AFFECT THEIR BRAIN.

DOES IT EFFECTIVE EQUALLY?

NO.

DISPROPORTIONALLY IMPACTING NATIVE HAWAIIAN YOUTH.

YOUTH COUNCIL WORK WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NATIVE HAWAIIAN YOUTH AND THEY'RE ALARMED AT WHAT THIS IS DOING AMONGST THEIR PEERS.

IT IS THE HIGHEST USE IS WITH NATIVE HAWAIIAN AND PACIFIC ISLAND FEMALES AND 45% OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THAT CATEGORY ARE USING.

30% OF NATIVE HAWAIIAN MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE USING.

IT'S MORE PREVALENT ON THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS.

MAUI, BIG ISLAND, KAUAI, THAN IS ON OAHU.

WHY?

SOME OF IT IS ACCESS.

YOU LOOK AT CONCENTRATION OF VAPE SHOPS.

THEY TEND TO BE CONCENTRATED IN SOCIO, THOSE PLACES THAT ARE ALREADY IMPACTED ECONOMICALLY.

I MEAN, I PASS FOUR, FIVE, VAPE SHOPS DRIVING DOWN THE FREEWAY HERE.

YOU LOOK AT WAHIAWA.

SEEMS LIKE A VAPE SHOP ON EVERY CORNER.

BIG ISLAND, ALL OVER ON THE RADIO.

NORMANIZES IT FOR THE KIDS.

>> NORMALIZES IT FOR THE KIDS.

MAKING IT ILLEGAL SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE KID THAT IT'S NOT SAFE.

IT COUNTERS THAT IS IT A SAFE PRODUCT THAT THE INDUSTRY TRIES TO PUT OUT THERE.

KID DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE OFTENTIMES BETWEEN SAFER AND SAFE.

>>Daryl: LET ME READ THAT COMMENT FROM A 52‑YEAR‑OLD SMOKER FROM WAIKIKI.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

BIG BROTHER?

THIS IS AMERICA.

THESE ARE PRODUCTS THAT EXIST.

NO RIGHT TO DENY MY FREEDOM OF CHOICE, WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY.

I DON'T USE FLAVORED PRODUCT.

I'M AN ADULT.

MAKE MY OWN CHOICE.

WHAT IF SOMEONE TOOK AWAY YOUR FLAVOR OF SODA AND WINE.

GETTING INVOLVED IN PEOPLE'S PERSONAL LIVES.

REPRESENTATIVE, I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BANNING THIS FROM ADULTS AS WELL AS CHILDREN.

>> YEAH.

IF MY FAVORITE FLAVOR OF WINE WAS HEROIN BUBBLE GUM, SHOULD BAN IT AS WELL.

I MEAN, YES.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SMOKE.

THAT'S WHY MY VAPING BILL IN THIS YEAR AND YEARS PAST DOESN'T BAN.

NOT BANNING ALL VAPING PRODUCTS.

THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SMOKE OR CONTINUE TO VAPE, TOBACCO FLAVORED OR FLAVORLESS PRODUCT, THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO SO.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BANNING PRODUCT THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGETS KIDS.

AND HE AGAIN, INCREDIBLY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE, YES, MIGHT HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THINGS AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT OR NEGATIVELY IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE OR SOCIETY.

CLEARLY, THESE FLAVORED VAPING PRODUCTS DO JUST THAT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE STEPPING IN TO BAN THEM.

>>Daryl: DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS HIGHLY ACCURATE.

REALLY EASY FOR YOU GUYS TO ATTACK THESE PRODUCTS WHEN YOU DON'T USE THEM.

IT'S NO SKIN OFF YOUR BACK TO TAKE AWAY THE PLEASURE OF A SIXTH OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

APPARENTLY WHAT THEY THINK AND WHAT THEY NEED ISN'T ALL THAT IMPORTANT.

>>Daryl: THIS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS?

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU SAYING ARE USING THESE?

>> APPROXIMATELY ONE IN SIX USES SOME SORT OF TOBACCO PRODUCT.

>>Kelly: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FLAVORED VAPES.

>> ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE FLAVORED.

>>Daryl: WITH CANDY FLAVORS?

>> ALL KINDS OF FLAVORS.

LEMON, WHATEVER.

>>Daryl: ONE IN SIX PEOPLE ARE USING THESE PRODUCTS?

>> VAPING, SMOKING OR BOTH.

THEY STAY LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER NOW PRETTY.

>>Daryl: THAT'S OKAY?

>> THAT'S FINE.

ADULTS.

THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.

THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.

IT'S VERY CONVENIENT TO DO WHEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T USE.

>> PROBABLY WHAT THE PEOPLE LIKE TO DRINK EVERCLEAR AND ABSINTHE, BANNED THESE THINGS.

NOT ALLOWED TO SELL 100 PROOF ALCOHOL IN STORES.

IT'S BECAUSE MAYBE THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND THAT CAN HANDLE THAT SORT OF BUSINESS.

BUT IN GENERAL, DON'T WANT TO BE PROVIDING THAT TO LION'S SHARE OF THE POPULATION.

ACCIDENTALLY, INTENTIONALLY MISUSE THE PRODUCT AND CREATE DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SAME ARGUMENTS MADE IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO WEAR SEATBELTS.

PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AT THAT CAN PROBABLY DRIVE 30 OR 40 YEARS AND NEVER GET IN AN ACCIDENT.

SEATBELTS SAVE LIVES.

THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE, IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, THE STATE GOVERNMENT CAN PUT GUARDRAILS ON CIVIL RIGHTS BECAUSE THERE IS A LARGER INTEREST AT PLAY HERE.

SO YOU KNOW, I AM SORRY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CHOICE TO POTENTIALLY SMOKE, TO VAPE MANGO ICE OR COTTON CANDY VAPE, BUT IN MY OPINION, PUBLIC INTEREST, BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENCES OF USE IN OUR YOUTH IN PARTICULAR, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A WHILE NOW.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SORT OF A REVELATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WAS RECOGNITION OF HOW FOR HOW LONG, ADMISSION ULTIMATELY BY THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY THAT THEY WERE MARKETING TO CHILDREN.

ADMITTED THEY WERE DOING THAT ON PURPOSE.

I DON'T THINK I'M GETTING THAT HISTORY WRONG.

>> ARE YOU SEEING A PARALLEL IN WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY?

IS THAT WHY YOU'RE SO ANXIOUS TO GET IN THERE?

>> I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JOE CAMEL AND CARTOON MARKETING TO KIDS.

YEAH, MINE, I THINK I DO SEE.

RIGHT HERE ON THIS TABLE.

CLEARLY MARKETING TO KIDS.

AND WE'VE SEEN A HUGE UPTICK IN YOUTH VAPING OVER THE YEARS.

THAT IS ONLY, NOT GOING DOWN.

ONLY GOING UP.

GOT WORSE DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>>Daryl: WHEN I TALKED ABOUT VAPING STORES BEING ALL OVER AREAS OF LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC CONDITIONS ALSO PART OF TOBACCO INDUSTRY GAME, WASN'T IT?

>> EXACTLY.

PLACES IN THE MAINLAND WHERE BILLBOARDS ARE ALLOWED, THERE ARE MORE IN POOR COMMUNITIES.

THERE ARE MORE MINORITY COMMUNITIES.

SO JUST LIKE THEY, WITH MENTHOL, SPECIFICALLY TARGETED BLACK COMMUNITY.

TARGETED NATIVE HAWAIIAN COMMUNITY IN HAWAII.

RECORDS, THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

>> YOU CAN SEE THEM.

PUBLIC DOCUMENTS.

THE NUMBERS SHOW, 78% OF NATIVE HAWAIIAN PACIFIC ISLAND SMOKERS SMOKE MENTHOL.

78%.

SO IT'S WORKED.

>>Daryl: OFFER YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT.

DO YOU SEE A CONSPIRACY TO MARKET TO CHILDREN SO THEY GET HOOKED TO BECOME HOOKED ADULTS?

>> NOT REALLY.

NO.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT DISPUTES THAT?

>> THEY'RE NOT, NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE TO KIDS.

MOST ADULTS ARE USING THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT ALTERNATIVE TO TOBACCO.

THEY WANT TO PRACTICE HARM REDUCTION.

BEFORE WE HAD A MEMBER FROM THE VAPE SHOP HERE, THEY CALLED THAT TOBACCO INDUSTRY, MOM AND POP VAPE SHOP.

HELPING PEOPLE.

A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE THANKFUL FOR THE PRODUCT THAT LIKE THEM.

MUCH SAFER ALTERNATIVE THAN SOME.

JUNK OUT THERE, ZYBAN PEOPLE HAVING PSYCHOTIC REACTIONS, DYING FROM IT.

LAWSUIT PERSONAL INJURY AND DEATH, I DON'T HEAR ANY ACTION THIS LEGISLATURE ON THINGS LIKE CHANTIX, TWO OF THE SCARIEST PRODUCTS DANGEROUS ANTI‑SMOKING CESSATION DRUGS MARKETED BY PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES THAT ‑‑ >>Daryl: STOP.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME WHAT ABOUTISM THAT I ALWAYS HEAR.

WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT ABOUT THIS?

HE'S NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE NICOTINE IS HEINOUSLY ADDICTIVE AND KIDS ARE GETTING ADDICTED TO IT.

THAT IS KIND OF THE BOTTOM LINE HERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK EVEN YOU WOULD WANT TO PREVENT NO ONE WANTS KIDS TO BE ADDICTED TO NICOTINE.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TRYING TO GET AS FEW KIDS ADDICTED TO NICOTINE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES AS POSSIBLE.

ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS FALL BY THE WAYSIDE.

NOTHING IS ADDRESSING THE KEY ISSUE HERE.

>>Daryl: SCOTT, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

WHEN YOU DEAL WITH CHILDREN THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO, TRYING TO CEASE THEIR USE, HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT FOR THEM?

YOUNG PEOPLE.

ARE THEY MORE RESILIENT OR MORE ADDICTED?

>> IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

WE GO ON PRESENTATIONS AND SCHOOLS AND IT'S OFTENTIMES KIDS WILL COME DOWN AND TALK TO ME AND SAY, WHAT KIND CAN I DO?

HOW CAN I HELP?

I'M THAT KID THAT HAS THE VAPE PRODUCT UNDER MY PILLOW BECAUSE I CAN'T GET THROUGH THE NIGHT WITHOUT VAPING.

HOW STRONGE THE ADDICTION TO NICOTINE IS.

>>Daryl: OTHER IMPACTS ON THEIR ABILITY TO LEARN OR DO OTHER THINGS FROM THIS.

>> SURE.

DEVELOPING BRAIN NICOTINE AFFECTS THEIR MEMORY, THEIR ABILITY TO FOCUS, THEIR COGNITION.

IMPULSE CONTROL.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN SCHOOL.

THAT IS WHY THE TEACHERS ARE ALL UP IN ARM AND PRINCIPALS ARE UP IN ARMS ABOUT THIS.

SEEING IT HOW IT'S IMPACTING THEIR EDUCATION NOW, AN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RECOVER FROM IT.

SOME OF THAT CAN BE PERMANENT.

DAMAGE IN THE BRAIN.

NICOTINE REWIRES YOUR BRAIN.

LOOK FOR OTHER CHEMICAL STIMULANT.

KIDS USE NICOTINE MORE LIKELY TO ABUSE OTHER SUBSTANCES LATER ON IN LIFE.

95% OF SMOKERS START BEFORE AGE OF 21.

MOST ADULTS AREN'T PICKING UP AND STARTING TO SMOKE.

THAT'S FROM SMOKERS.

5% ARE STARTING UNDER THE AGE OF 21.

GETTING HOOKED BY PRODUCTS LIKE CANDY AND OTHER SWEET FLAVORS AND LIKE MENTHOL.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

YOU HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN SHARING YOUR OWN PERSONAL STORY.

WHEN DID YOU FIRST START SMOKING OR VAPING OR HOW OLD ARE YOU?

>> ABOUT 18.

>>Daryl: HOW DID YOU COME ACROSS THE PRODUCTS?

>> I JUST BOUGHT THEM AT THE COLLEGE STORE.

LEGAL FOR SOMEONE 18 TO BUY?

>> YEAH.

WHERE I GREW UP.

IT WAS GREAT.

USED TO BE NERVOUS ALL TIME IN CLASS.

I SMOKE BETWEEN CLASSES AND REALLY REFRESHED ME.

ADDED TO THE QUALITY OF MY LIFE.

WISH I STARTED EARLIER.

THANKFUL I DID.

>>Daryl: MOVE ON.

I'LL I'M GETTING MORE QUESTIONS.

>> NOT EXACTLY HELPING ME QUIT BY DOING THIS.

>>Daryl: YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN BEST INTEREST.

I'M NOT GOING TO SUGGEST YOU QUIT.

I SEE ADDS ON TV TO KEEP KIDS FROM VAPING.

>> ARE THE EDUCATIONAL ADS WORKING?

HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS SOME VERY CLEVER ADS.

REALLY, I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE EDUCATION FOR FAMILY AND PARENTS AND EDUCATORS AND KIDS, SHOULD THAT BE PART OF CAMPAIGN?

I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED A LOT.

WHAT MESSAGES WORK?

>> YEAH.

EDUCATION IS ALWAYS KEY TO ANY PROBLEM.

PAIRS NEED TO BE BETTER EDUCATED ABOUT THE DANGERS.

THEY BOUGHT INTO THE WHOLE THING THAT THIS IS SAFE A PRODUCT.

JUST VAPOR.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

RATHER HAVE MY KID DO THAT THAN SMOKE.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK, WHAT IS THE ASSOCIATION GENERALLY BETWEEN A YOUNG PEOPLE PICKING THIS UP AND PARENTS OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD ALSO BEING TOBACCO OR VAPE USERS?

>> IF A CHILD IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE SEEING OTHER TOBACCO USE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO TAKE UP A NICOTINE PRODUCT.

THEY'RE ALSO BEING BOMBARDED IN STREAMING SHOWS, LIKE BROADCAST TV, STREAMING SHOWS, MOST KIDS WHAT THEY'RE WATCHING.

THEY'RE BEING BOMBARDED BY IMAGERY OF PEOPLE SMOKING AND VAPING TO MAKE IT LOOK GLAMOROUS.

THAT IS THESE ADS OUT THERE KNEW, TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, TRYING TO COMBAT THIS INDUSTRY THAT IS PAYING FOR PRODUCT PLACEMENT AND SHOWS THAT ARE THE TOP SHOWS FOR KIDS THAT THEY'RE WATCHING.

SO YEAH, THERE'S NO AMOUNT, I THINK IT'S INDUSTRY OUTSPENDS THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH MULTIPLE TIMES.

>>Daryl: DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF THAT?

>> FOR STRANGER THINGS WAS LIKE ENORMOUSLY POPULAR WITH KIDS.

ASK THEM ABOUT THAT TV SHOW, HOW MANY KIDS WATCH, SEEN STRANGER THINGS?

ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

YOU GUYS NOTICE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SHOW?

KIDS WILL SAY YEAH.

ALMOST EVERYBODY SMOKES.

THEY SMOKE A LOT.

OR PEOPLE ARE VAPING AND THEY SEE THAT.

SO THEY SEE IT IN THE SHOWS THAT ARE MOST POPULAR WITH KIDS.

IN THE INDUSTRY PAYS FOR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT PLACEMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN.

>>Daryl: I NEED TO KIND OF KEEP MOVING.

MORE QUESTIONS.

STATEMENT FROM A VIEWER.

DON'T TALK ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO USE PRODUCTS WHEN THE CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.

RICH JUST WANT TO GET RICHER.

READ THAT AS A STATEMENT.

HARD TO RESPOND TO.

DO YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN MENTHOL FLAVORED CIGARETTES, IT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S PROPOSAL FROM THE HONOLULU BUREAU.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO BAN IN THE BILLS THAT WILL BE INTRODUCED?

>> I KNOW SENATOR.

>> I DID TRY TO BAN THEN MENTHOL.

>> ME TOO.

BILL ULTIMATELY VETOED.

DIDN'T WORK.

>>Daryl: SAME BILL?

>> YES.

THERE WAS A MENTHOL BAN IN THE BILL.

MOST VOTERS SUPPORT THAT.

VAST MAJORITY OF VOTERS SUPPORT ENDING SALE OF ALL FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS EVEN WHEN WE CALL OUT MENTHOL CIGARETTES.

>>Daryl: SO WHAT IS THE PLAN THIS YEAR?

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT WILL BE IN THE BILL?

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOU?

>> TWO DIFFERENT BILLS.

MY BILL IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE I FIRST INTRODUCED LAST YEAR.

STRAIGHT BAN ON FLAVOR AND MENTHOL.

NO EXEMPTION FOR WHAT WE CALL PMTA'S, OR THE SECTION I THINK IT'S 21USC387J.

THAT IS THE BILL THAT I'M INTENDING TO PUSH.

I UNDERSTAND REPRESENTATIVE HAS DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE BILL.

SORRY.

SENATOR.

GAVE YOU UPGRADE.

SENATOR HAS DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE BILL.

I DO NOT THINK THAT'S PMTA, PREMARKET TOBACCO PRODUCT APPLICATION, EXEMPTION SHOULD BE IN THE BILL.

WHOLE REASONS IN THERE BECAUSE OF TESTIMONY FROM A JUUL LOBBYIST SUBMITTED, SUGGESTED ‑‑ >> HOLD ON.

LET ME STOP THERE.

PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

THE POSITION THAT THE SENATE TOOK LAST YEAR, WAS TO TRY AND STRIKE A BALANCE TO SORT OF ADDRESS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE CONCERNS OF MR. ZYNER.

BUT THERE IS A RIGOROUS FDA PROCESS THAT COMPANIES WHO LIKE TO APPLY FUND PEER‑REVIEWED RESEARCH TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE POTENTIALLY THERAPEUTIC OR CESSATION BENEFITS TO PRODUCT IS NOT THE TYPES OF PREDATORY MARKETED PRODUCTS THAT YOU SEEN ON THE TABLE RIGHT HERE, BUT PRODUCTS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN THROUGH RESEARCH AND DATA TO ASSIST SMOKERS IN HARM REDUCTION, GOING FROM COMBUSTIBLE CIGARETTES DOWN TO VAPE PRODUCTS, THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW NONFLAVORED PRODUCTS.

>> WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD ALLOW OTHER PRODUCTS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO MARKET AND SHOWED THROUGH EVIDENCE BASED PROCESSES TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE REDUCE THE LEVEL OF CONSUMPTION OF NICOTINE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY UTILIZING.

>>Daryl: I'M A LITTLE BIT LOST.

>> LET ME TRY.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE LOOPHOLE IS THAT IT WAS TOO LARGE.

I THINK ‑‑ >>Daryl: WHAT IS THE LOOPHOLE?

>> LOOPHOLES ARE YOU CAN APPLY FOR FDA EXEMPTION FOR CERTAIN PRODUCTS.

YOU CAN APPLY THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE, REMARKET.

PMTA.

ALSO OTHER AVENUES YOU CAN USE.

USUALLY CALLED SUBSTANTIAL EQUIVALENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS STATUE, THERE IS AN EXEMPTION CALLED PROVISIONAL SUBSTANDING EQUIVALENCE.

IF YOU APPLY FOR IT, YOU CAN STILL MARKET AND SELL THE PRODUCT EVEN BEFORE THE FDA HAS APPROVED IT.

THAT'S AUTHORIZED UNTIED STATUTE.

THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE.

TOBACCO COMPANIES KNEW THIS.

BEFORE THE DEADLINE, 3500 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED SO TOBACCO COMPANIES TO CONTINUE TO SELL AND MARKET THESE PRODUCTS.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE PMTA EXEMPTION IF IT WAS RESTRICTED JUST TO PMTA'S.

BUT WHAT THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY JUUL LOBBYISTS ALLOWED FOR WERE PROVISIONAL SUBSTANTIAL EQUIVALENT APPLICATIONS ALSO COME THROUGH WITH AGAIN, CAN YOU SELL WITHOUT FDA APPROVAL.

>>Daryl: I HAVE TO JUST TRY AND INTERPRET THIS INTO SOME SORT OF LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR BENEFIT OF BOTH OF YOU AND OUR AUDIENCE.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SENATOR IS THAT IF SOMEONE COMES BACK IN WITH AN APPROVAL, TO BE A LEGAL PRODUCT THAT HAS BENEFITS AS SEEN AND AUTHORIZED BY THE FDA, SHOULD BE ABLE TO SELL THAT PRODUCT.

BUT THE FEDERAL REGULATION PROCESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU THEY THE RIGHT LANGUAGE, OPENS THE DOOR FOR SALES PRIOR TO THE FDA, ACTUALLY MAKING THAT DECISION.

IS THAT A FAIR.

>> YOU KNOW, WHAT I WILL AGREE WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE ON, IS THAT THE EXEMPTION, THE EXEMPTION THAT WAS ULTIMATELY IN THE BILL WAS NOT GOING TO GET US THERE.

SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH THE BILL THAT LED TO THE VETO GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, POSITION IN THE INTENTION OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WE PASSED OUT OF THE SENATE WAS TO ALLOW THOSE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS RIGOROUS FDA PROCESS TO CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD IN VAPE SHOPS ALONG WITH NONFLAVORED VAPES.

THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO ALLOW SOME SORT OF SHADY LOOPHOLE TO GRANDFATHER IN EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THE BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN POINTLESS.

>>Daryl: MY UNDERSTANDING POINT THAT I'M MAKING, ASKING, IS FOLKS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER THIS YEAR AND COME UP WITH A BILL THAT SATISFIES THOSE FAIRLY COMPLICATED REGULATIONS AND SUCCESSFULLY BAN THESE FLAVORED PRODUCTS?

ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT?

>> I THINK THAT COMPROMISE IS THAT WE'RE STILL ALLOWING TOBACCO FLAVOR AND NONFLAVORED VAPING BUT BANNING ALL OF FLAVORS.

MOST AGREE ARE BAD.

PRODUCTS ARE REALLY AS DANGEROUS SAYING THEY ARE.

SHOULDN'T BE LEAVING ANY LOOPHOLE AT ALL.

IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE AN FDA LOOPHOLE, I HOPE THAT SENATE AND HOUSE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PROVISIONAL SUBSTANTIVE EQUIVALENT APPLICATIONS ASSESS SPECIFICALLY CUT OUT OF VOLUNTARY.

APPROVES IT.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

IT IS A VERY RIGOROUS PROCESS.

ALLOWING PRODUCTS TO BE MARKET ADD AND SOLD BEFORE FDA APPROVAL.

NOT WHAT EITHER HOUSE WANTS.

>> MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY LARGE LOOPHOLE CREATED.

HOPEFULLY COME BACK THIS YEAR, CUT THIS OUT OF THE LOOPHOLE AND CREATE MUCH SAFER ENVIRONMENT WHERE A BILL CAN PASS.

>> OTHER CONCERN WAS THE VAGUENESS AND LANGUAGE WHICH AGAIN, TOBACCO INDUSTRY TACTIC, DEFENSE OF SENATE LAST YEARS, SOUNDED PERFECTLY REGION THE SURFACE.

BUT WHAT IT ALSO DID IS KIND OF GIVE UP HAWAII'S RIGHT TO ENFORCEMENT IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO LET THE FDA DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO LET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO THAT, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WORKED OUT SO WELL FOR US HERE IN HAWAII.

RED HILL WAS A PRIME EXAMPLE.

HOPE THAT THE FDA ACTUALLY ENFORCES SOME OF THEIR OWN RULES.

MAYBE THEY COME OUT AND DO INSPECTIONS ONCE A YEAR.

TWICE A YEAR.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ENFORCE THESE RULES HERE IN HAWAII AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF KIND OF TURNING OVER HAWAII'S ABILITY TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SAY, OH, NO, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO REGULATE THIS.

>>Shawn: 23 PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED UNDER THIS FDA PROCESS.

THERE ARE 30,000 APPLICATIONS.

23 PRODUCTS.

>>Daryl: WHAT KIND OF PRODUCTS APPROVED?

>> PRODUCTS THAT HAVE BEEN ABOUT SHOWN THROUGH SUBMITTED PEER‑REVIEWED EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE THERAPEUTIC QUALITY TO THE PRODUCT TO ALLOW FOR TOBACCO CESSATION.

AGAIN, POLICY IN THE SENATE IS TO PROMOTE AVENUES FOR HARM REDUCTION.

WE STILL HAVE THOUSANDS OF SMOKERS IN HAWAII.

WE STILL ARE GOING TO ALLOW VAPE PRODUCTS, BILL PASSES, TO BE SOLD IN STORES.

AND SO THE POSITION WAS THAT IF THE PRODUCTS ARE SHOWN TO BE THROUGH THIS RIGOROUS MEDICAL PROCESS TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF CURING ADDICTION, THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO BE ALLOWED.

I DON'T THINK, IN FAIRNESS.

COMPARABLE TO RED HILL.

WE CAN ALSO AMEND THE BILL.

WE WERE SUED BY THE UNITED STATES NAVY BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO SHUT THE FACILITY DOWN.

>>Daryl: GIVE YOU ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE DONE.

QUICKLY.

>> LAST 30 SECONDS ON THIS.

>> OKAY.

SO I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO END WITH THIS.

>> EVERY YEAR, THEY INTRODUCED 40 BILLS.

SO DO EXPECT THEM IN THE FUTURE TO TRY TO BAN THESE PRODUCTS OUTRIGHT.

THEY ARE LARGEST COMPETITORS AT THE LEGISLATURE.

IN ADDITION TO THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FIRST THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

TAKE THE FLAVORS OUT.

PEOPLE PUT THE FLAVORS IN.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE SUBSTANCES AREN'T COMPATIBLE.

PUT IN THERE.

CAUSE WORTH HEALTH CONDITIONS AND WORSE PROBLEMS BECAUSE NOW, IT'S NOT CONTROLLED ANY MORE.

ALL GOING TO COME FROM THE BLACK MARKET.

JUST LIKE WITH PROHIBITION.

ALCOHOL COMING IN THAT WAS BOOTLEGGED.

>>Daryl: PROHIBITION DONE.

DID THAT BEFORE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD JOB.

APPRECIATE IT.

MESSAGE FROM VIEWER, I'M 73.

SMOKING CONSISTENTLY SINCE 18.

13 YEARS AGO, STARTED VAPING AFTER TRYING TO QUIT FOR YEARS, ABLE TO GRADUALLY DECREASE NICOTINE LEVEL.

>> FLAVORED E‑CIG PRODUCTS HELPED ME.

MENTIONED YOUR SON IN THE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE A NOTE HERE FROM LENNOX.

THIS QUESTION IS FOR SENATOR.

MIDDLE SCHOOL SON WANTS TO KNOW WHAT YOUR MESSAGE IS TO 7TH GRADE CLASS ABOUT VAPING.

>> DON'T DO IT.

>>Daryl: I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE TIME THAN THAT.

DON'T DO IT IN PART BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GETTING IT FROM YOUR FRIENDS OR THEY'RE GETTING IT FROM THEIR FRIENDS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN IT AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE INTO THE FUTURE.

YOU CAN PUT JUST ABOUT ANY SORT OF CHEMICAL IN THOSE DEVICES.

YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S IN THERE AND DON'T WANT TO START A BAD HABIT WHEN YOU GOT THAT MUCH MORE GROWING AND LEARNING.

PLENTY OF OTHER MISTAKES OUT THERE TO MAKE THAT ARE TOTALLY GOING TO BE FINE.

BUT STARTING VAPING THAT EARLY IS NOT A GOOD ONE.

>>Daryl: IF YOUR SON IS OUT THERE, CAMPAIGNING, THEN THAT'S ONE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

RIGHT?

FOR THEM?

>> FINE WITH ME.

>>Daryl: TALKING ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE AND EXPOSURE TO THESE THINGS.

LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS IN THOSE THINGS.

RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.

WEBSITES LIST ALL SUBSTANCES.

>>Daryl: IF YOU BELIEVE WEBSITES.

>> OTHERWISE IT'S FRAUD.

>>Daryl: GO FOR THAT ANY WAY, MAHALO FOR YOU JOINING US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS: REPRESENTATIVE SCOT MATAYOSHI, SCOTT STENSRUD FROM THE HAWAII PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE.

SENATOR JARRETT KEOHOKALOLE, AND MICHAEL ZEHNER FROM THE HAWAII SMOKERS ALLIANCE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE.

KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL WILL BE LIVE NEXT THURSDAY AT 7:30PM.

NO DOUBT YOU HAVE SEEN THE “NOW HIRING” SIGNS IN BUSINESS WINDOWS ACROSS THE STATE.

EMPLOYERS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME FILLING VACANCIES.

WHERE ARE THE WORKERS?

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII, I’M DARYL HUFF, ALOHA.

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