THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MARICOPA BOARD OF SUPERVISORS JOINS US ABOUT THE GENERAL ELECTION.

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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

COCHISE COUNTY CAN.THE JUDGE'S WORDS, THE BOARD VIOLATED THE LAWFUL AUTHORITY AND THE RULES PROMPTED THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE ANNOUNCING THE STATE CERTIFICATION OF ELECTION RESULTS WILL GO AHEAD AS SCHEDULED ON MONDAY.

>>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TODAY SAID THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S PROGRAM TO CANCEL STUDENT LOANS WILL REMAIN BLOCKED FOR NOW AND THEY AGREE TO TAKE UP THE CASES IN THE COMING MONTHS AND THE COURT WILL MAKE A DECISION ON THE LOAN CANCELLATION PROGRAM BY LATE JUNE, WHICH IS TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE PAUSE ON LOAN PAYMENTS IS SET TO EXPIRE.

THE ADMINISTRATION HAD WANTED A COURT ORDER TO ALLOW THIS TO TAKE EFFECT AS THE COURT CHALLENGES THE PROCEEDINGS.

BUT THE COURT DECLINED AND KEPT THE PROGRAM BLOCKED.

>>> MARICOPA COUNTY'S CANVASS DID NOT COME WITH DRAMA AND THE SUPERVISORS WILL SUBJECTED TO CONCERNS AND CRITICISMS AND THREATS FROM ELECTION DENIERS WHO SPOKE FOR HOURS BEFORE THE VOTE DECIDED TO CANVASS THE ELECTION AND NOW IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S, BILL GATES.

TODAY, I WANTED TO GET TO THE CANVASS MEETING AND A JUDGE TODAY ORDERED SANCTIONS AGAINST KARI LAKE.

FIRST OF ALL, TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT AND THE JUDGE'S ORDER.

>> EARLIER THIS YEAR, KARI LAKE AND MARK FINCHEM SAID THEY WERE VIOLATING THE LAW SAID THEY WERE USING TABULATION MACHINES AND WE SHOULD HAND COUNT AND WE WON.

AT THE CONCLUSION, WE FILED FOR WHAT'S CALLED RULE 11 SANCTIONS.

SO WE SAID THERE WAS SIMPLY NO BASIS AT ALL FOR THAT LAWSUIT TO BE BROUGHT BY THOSE LAWYERS.

AND SO, WE FILED FOR THAT AND THE COURT FOUND TODAY, JUDGE TUCHI FOUND IN OUR FAVOR THAT RULE 11 ARE RARELY GRANTED AND GRANTED AGAINST AGAINST THE LAWYERS WHO REPRESENTED KARI LAKE AND MARK FICNCHEM AND WE HAVE TWO WEEKS TO GO TO THE COURT AND NOW THE LAWYERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE FEES.

>> Ted: IT COUNTED LIKE HE SAID THIS IS INTENDED TO SEND A MESSAGE FOR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.

>> I'M A LAWYER MYSELF AND THAT'S A BIG STEP TO ASK FOR RULE 11 SANCTIONS.

WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT AS A BOARD AND SAID WE NEED TO BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE HAVE FOLKS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS MISUSING THE COURTS TO MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

AND, BASICALLY, WHAT THIS RULING SAYS, IT'S LAWYERS SANCTIONING LAWYERS.

LAWYERS SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU WENT TOO FAR WITH THIS AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSEQUENCES.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE EARLIER THIS WEEK.

ANY DOUBT WITH THE BOARD?

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED DO.

WE HAD TO SEE THE CANVASS ITSELF.

IT COMES FROM THE TWO LARGE BOXES, HAS ALL OF THE RESULTS OF THE RACES ACROSS MARICOPA COUNTY.

IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD AND I THAT WE HEAR FROM FOLKS.

WE GAVE WHOEVER SHOWED UP TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WHEN THAT WAS ALL DONE, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION.

>> Ted: THE UNANIMOUS VOTE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> Ted: THE FOLKS DID SPEAK AND SPOKE FOR HOURS AND WHAT WERE YOU THINKING AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN THIS IS GOING ON?

>> THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME THAT PEOPLE WOULD GET INTO THE SORT OF DISCUSSIONS THEY WERE.

A LOT MADE REFERENCES TO RELIGION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THEY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT AND WE HAD A JOB TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID ON MONDAY.

>> Ted: WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET AND YOU HEAR THESE KINDS OF THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE HEARING IT FROM LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR STATE AND NATION AND FEEDING THE LIES AND FEEDING THIS MISINFORMATION.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOOD FOLKS SIMPLY MISDIRECTED.

THAT'S WHY I'VE CALLED ON A LOT OF FELLOW REPUBLICANS TO PUSH BACK ON THIS, SPEAK THE TRUTH.

NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT IT'S IMPACTING REPUBLICANS ELECTORALLY BECAUSE REPUBLICANS AREN'T PUSHING.

>> Ted: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PARTY'S POSITION BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WANTS ELECTION DAY INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE PRINTER PROBLEMS.

YOUR THOUGHTS ON HIS REQUEST?

>> WE RECEIVED THAT REQUEST ON THE SATURDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND SO, WE QUICKLY WORKED ON IT.

OUR TEAM PUT TOGETHER A RESPONSE AND PROVIDED INFORMATION TO IT.

WE COULDN'T GET ALL THE INFORMATION TO THEM THAT QUICKLY WHILE WE WERE DEALING WIT CAN CANVASS AND WE GOT AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO THEM.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY AT MARICOPA COUNTY.

>> Ted: CONCERNS RAISING THE COUNTY'S LAWFUL COMPLIANCE WITH ARIZONA ELECTION LAW AND THAT'S TOUGH STUFF THERE.

>> YES, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT AND WE SET THAT FORTH IN THE LETTER.

WE'VE BEEN FAITHFUL TO THE LAW AND HAVEN'T HAD TO BE ORDERED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE LAW EVEN IF THAT MAKES PEOPLE IN OUR OWN PARTY UPSET.

>> Ted: THE PRINTERS SEEM TO BE A REOCCURRING MOTIF.

I THOUGHT WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT THIS ON WEEKS ON END AND WE ARE.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> WE'RE DOING A DEEP DIVE TO CONTINUE WHAT HAPPENED AND, BASICALLY, THERE WERE TECHNICAL ISSUES WIT PRINTERS THAT WERE CAUSING THE TIMING MARKS, WHICH THAT'S HOW THE TABULATORS READ THE BALLOT AND THEY WERE COMING OUT TO FEINT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S AN OF COURSE OPTION, BUT YOU CAN PUT IT IN A SECURE BALLOT BOX.

THE DOOR NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS HOW IT'S DONE IN MAJOR OF THE ARIZONA COUNTIES.

THIS WAS NOT A PERFECT ELECTION.

AND WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER NEXT TIME, BUT THE KEY THAT NO ONE WAS DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

>> Ted: THOSE ARE THE CLAIM, THOUGH, PEOPLE WERE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.

AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY WERE SUPPRESSED THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO VOTE AND VALID CONCERN?

>> FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, DEFINITELY, A VALID CONCERN.

BUT NO ONE WAS DENIED THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

WE THEY WERE EXPLAINED IF THEY WERE UNABLE TO PUT THAT BALLOT THROUGH THE TABULATOR, THEY COULD PUT IT IN A SECURE DOOR 3.

THEY WERE TOLD BY SOME PEOPLE IF IT WAS PUT IN DOOR 3, IT COULDN'T BE COUNTED FOR WEEKS AND THAT WAS NOT TRUE, AND OPPOSITE FOR WHAT I WAS TELLING PEOPLE AND OUR POLL WORKERS WERE TELLING PEOPLE.

>> Ted: YOU REFER TO THIS, EVERYTHING FROM THE NAMES OF VOTERS TO CHANGING LOCATIONS AND LOTS OF STUFF AND I FORGOT HOW MANY QUESTIONS.

AND WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF IT?

>> WE HAD SEVERAL OBJECTIONS TO THE SUBPOENA AND IT'S ODD IT'S ISSUED AT THE END OF HER TERM AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LEGISLATOR AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FULFILL THAT REQUEST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WE'RE DOING AT MARICOPA COUNTY AND WE'LL GET IT ALL DOWN.

>> Ted: SHE SAYS THE INFORMATION IS NEEDED FOR THE LEGISLATOR NEEDED FOR THE LAWS.

DOES SHE HAVE A POINT?

>> SHE MAY AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO COM COMPLY.

WE COULD HAVE PUSHED BACK AND SAID THAT'S NOT A VALID SUBPOENA.

WE DIDN'T.

WE RE WE WILL PUSH FORWARD IN A TRANSPARENT WAY.

>> Ted: DID YOU FORESEE ANY OF THIS OR SOME POINT IN BETWEEN BEFORE THIS ELECTION OCCURRED?

>> WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO, SPECIFICALLY IN.

>> I'M?

>> Ted: THE PRINTER SITUATION COULDN'T BE FORESEEN.

YOU HAD TO HAVE KNOWN IF CERTAIN CANDIDATES DIDN'T WIN, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF FUSSIN' AND FIGHTIN'.

>> WE KNEW THE EYES OF THE WORLD WERE ON MAYOR MARICOPA COUNTY.

I WAS INTERVIEWED FROM REPORTERS ALL AROUND THE WORLD AND WE KNEW THE ATTENTION WOULD BE ON THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF CLOSE RACES AND THE ALLEGATIONS IN 2020.

THAT'S WHY WE STOOD UP IN EFFORT WE NEVER DID AS FAR AS HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO SADLY, I WASN'T SURPRISED BY ALL OF THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO BE READY READY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE COULD.

I WOULD ARGUE HUMBLY, THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST TRANSPORTATION TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS.

WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT THE RESPONSES AND REQUEST FROM RESPONSES, WHICH WE'VE COMPLIED WITH.

>> Ted: THE INFORMATION WAS OUT THERE AND CAN THE COUNTY DO MORE TO BETTER INFORM THOSE WHO JUST AREN'T GETTING THAT MESSAGE OR DO YOU THINK THERE ARE THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO GET THE MESSAGE?

>> I'M UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THE MESSAGE OR LISTEN TO MISINFORMATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH DOOR THREE.

THERE WERE PROP PROMINENT PEOPLE PUTTING OUT MISINFORMATION.

BUT WE'LL PUSH THROUGH WITH THE TRUTH, WITH HELPFUL INFORMATION.

I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE THANKED US AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER IN 2024.

>> Ted: I HAVE TO ASK, ARE YOU STILL A REPUBLICAN?

>> I'M STILL A PROUD REPUBLICAN.

I'VE BEEN A REPUBLICAN SINCE I BECAME A REGISTERED VOTER, WHEN I WAS 18, AND HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN THE PARTY FOR MANY YEARS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO BE A REPUBLICAN FOR MANY YEARS.

>> Ted: WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE PARTY?

YOU'RE GETTING MORE CRITICISM FROM YOUR PARTY THAN THE LOYAL OPPOSITION.

>> THOSE FOLKS DIDN'T HEAR RONALD REAGAN'S COMMANDMENT WE'RE NOT TO SPEAK ILL OF OTHER REPUBLICANS.

I THINK THEY'RE PUSHING BACK BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES AND I ARE UNWILLING TO FOLLOW THE LEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE PEDALING MISINFORMATION AND WE'RE SPEAKING OUT AND PUSHING BACK AGAINST LIES.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO COME UP TO ME ALL THE TIME AND CALL ME, EMAIL ME AND SAY KEEP DOING IT.

THEY TEND TO BE THE QUIET ONES.

THOSE WHO ARE SPREADING THE MISINFORMATION TEND TO BE THE LOUDER ONES.

BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TELL THE TRUTH.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THE PARTY CAN SURVIVE THIS?

I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG FRACTURE.

NOT TALKING GRAND CANYON BUT CHOSE.

>> I THINK THE PARTY CAN SURVIVE THIS AND A LOT OF OTHER STATES AND HERE IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE A GRAND CANYON SIZED SCHISM AND IT'S TIME TO GET BACK TO THE PRINCIPLES.

THAT'S WHEN THEY WIN, WE AGREE ONLY THINGS LIKE FREE ENTERPRISE, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND I BELIEVE WE CAN GET BACK TO THAT.

>> Ted: BILL GATES, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, A LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AGING AND DANCE.

>> A NEW BOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AGING AND DANCE TITLED "DANCING ACROSS THE LIFE SPANS."

IT'S A COLLECTION OF HOW DANCE IS EXPERIENCED THROUGH LIFE AND A SEGMENT TO OLDER ADULTS IN ARIZONA, WE WELCOME KAREN SCHUPP FROM THE SCHOOL OF MUSIC, DANCE AND THEATER AND SHE HELPED TO COEDIT THE BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: DANCING AND AGING, WHAT IS THAT RELATIONSHIP?

>> IT'S QUITE VARIED, WHICH IS WHAT WE FOUND DOING THE BOOK.

SO THE ORIGINAL IDEA FOR THE BOOK CAME FROM MY COEDITOR, PAM MUSCLE, WHO RECENTLY RETIRED AND AT A CERTAIN POINT.

MY OTHER EDITOR BECAME A GRANDPARENT AND IN ANOTHER POINT OF HIS LIFE AND THERE'S ME.

AS WE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT THIS IDEA OF AGING, IT OCCURRED TO US, WE'RE AGING FROM THE MOMENT WE'RE BORN.

SO OUR IDEA WAS TO LOOK AT HOW OUR RELATIONSHIP TO DANCE CAN CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE LIFESPAN.

>> Ted: HOW DOES IT CHANGE THROUGHOUT A LIFETIME?

>> I CHANGES DEPENDING WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AND HOW YOU ENGAGE WITH DANCE.

SO FOR THOSE IN THE PROFESSION, OFTENTIMES WE GO THROUGH A SERIES OF CHANGES WITHIN OUR IDENTITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO DANCE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, MY COEDITOR, DOUG, IN HIS CHAPTER, HE TALKS HOW HE SAID GOODBYE TO HIS IDENTITY AS A PERFORMER AND HIS IDENTITY AS A CHOREGRAPHER AND HIS IDENTITIES A TEACHER OF TECHNIQUE COURSES.

AND HOW THAT CONSTANT PROCESS OF SHIFTING IDENTITIES HAS BUILT THIS DEEP PRACTICE OF REFLECTION FOR HIM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MATTERS AND NOW HE'S USING HIS EXPERIENCES AS A DANCER TO NEGOTIATE HIS EXPERIENCES LIVING WITH CANCER.

>> Ted: WOW, THAT CROSSED A LOT OF SPANS.

IT'S LIVING A LIFE AND GOING THROUGH STAGES AND STEPS.

>> RIGHT, AND THROUGH DOING THIS BOOK, IDEAS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO AT A GIVEN AGE IN RELATIONSHIP TO DANCE ALSO CHANGES OVER TIME.

MY CHAPTER LOOKS AT WHAT IS THOUGHT TO BE AGE APPROPRIATE MOVEMENT IN DANCE COMPETITION CULTURE.

THESE ARE WHERE LOCAL STUDIOS BRING THE STUDENTS AND PERFORM TAP, JAZZ, HIP-HOP, BALLET FOR TROPHIES.

I GREW UP IN THAT WORLD IN THE AUTOMATE80'S AND '90S AND WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE GOOD TECHNIQUE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT DANCERS SAME AGE ARE EXPECTED TO DO NOW.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DANCE AND WHAT THAT TELLS US ABOUT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT IS AGE APPROPRIATE, WHO DECIDES THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR WHO IS DANCING.

>> Ted: THERE'S A SOCIOLOGICAL ASPECT, BIG TIME, ISN'T THERE?

>> A CHAPTER LOOKING AT PARENTING, HOW PARENTING INFLUENCING DANCING AND HOW DANCING INFLUENCING PARENTING AND WHERE THE AUTHOR IS MIDDLE-AGED WHITE BRITISH WOMAN TAKING UP BREAKING.

SO LOOKING AT WHAT HER EXPERIENCE IS LEARNING BREAKING AND SIGH SIPHERING AND ETHNICITY AND DANCING.

>> Ted: IS IT LIKE EVOLUTION AND BOOM, A BIG CHANGE AND IT GOES BACK OR A WHOLE RIDE THROUGH?

>> MY EXPERIENCE WHICH IS REFLECTED THAT OTHER AUTHORS HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

I FELT I AS AT MY HEIGHT AS A PERFORMER AT 35 AND BETWEEN 35 AND 40, I FELT THINGS CHANGED RECALLEDLY.

>> Ted: INTERESTING.

>> I THINK THERE'S A BELIEF AMONG PEOPLE WHO DANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK.

THE WORK MIGHT CHANGE.

IT TAKES MELONGER ME LONGER AND TO DANCE FULL OUT HAS CHANGED.

I DON'T HAVE THE SAME MOBILITY BUT THE SAME LOVE AND PASSION.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DANCE FULL OUT BUT THE WAY YOU DID AND YOU CAN DANCE FULL OUT, IS IT AS REWARD AS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S A CHAPTER BY A PROFESSOR AND RETIRED PROFESSOR AND THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES PERFORMING A MODERN DANCE WORK AT AGE 57 AND 61 AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW EXPERIENCES OF ANINGAGING PERFORMERS IN THE U.S.

COMPARED TO JAPAN.

>> Ted: WOW!

THERE'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH HERE.

AND CAN YOU CONFINE THIS TO DANCE OR OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE?

COULD A CHEF LOOK AT THIS IN THE SAME WAY AND AN ATHLETE LOOK AT THIS IN THE SAME WAY?

>> I'M INCLINED TO SAY YES AND SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT DANCE IN HOW IT STEMS FROM THE BODY AND STEMS FROM THE CORE OF WHO A PERSON IS AND IT'S RELATIONAL AND REFLECTS AND CHALLENGES THAT ARE OUT AND ABOUT IN SOCIETY, BUT ALSO, IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL EXCHANGE BETWEEN PEOPLE.

OF COURSE, I'M ALWAYS GOING TO SAY DANCE IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING.

>> Ted: OF COURSE.

>> THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT AGING AND DANCING AS WELL AS DANCING AND AGING.

>> Ted: LAST YES.

QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE FROM THIS BOOK?

>> THAT DANCE IS RICH AND VARIED AND THAT THERE'S A PLACE FOR EVERYONE WITHIN IT, REGARDLESS OF HOW OLD YOU ARE.

>> Ted: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK.

SOME HEAVY READING ON DANCE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!

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