>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE LATEST ON LAWSUITS FILED BY LOSING CANDIDATES IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

ALSO TONIGHT, WE SPEAK WITH TRAIT TREASURER KIMBERLY YE AND A LOOK AT WHAT YOU FIND IN THE NEW MARICOPA MUSEUM.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

A HECK OFTHEY SUED GOVERNOR DUCEY'S AFTER THE USE OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

THE DOG ARIZONA REPUBLIC REPORTS REPORT SAYS IT'S INACCURATE AND THE CONTAINERS SAYS IT IS TO PUSH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO ITS JOB.

THEY SAY ANDY BIGGS TO GO AFTER HOMELAND SECURITY TO GO AFTER WHAT BIGGS SAYS OVER THE RECORD NUMBER OF MIGRANTS ENCOUNTERED AT THE BORDER.

>> IN 2021 BEEN I 2021, I INTRODUCED IMPEACHMENT AFTER SENATOR MYORKIS.

THE SECRETARY COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND MIDST THIS IS INTENTIONAL.

>> BIGGS CLAIMED EVERY DAY HE'S IF OFFICE, THE COUNTRY BECOMES LESS SAFE.

>>> A NEW CNN POLL SHOWS THE LAST THING MOST AMERICANS WANT TO SEE IN 2024 IS A REMATCH BETWEEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

IT'S SOMETHING DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AGREE ON PRESIDENT.

IT SHOWS 38% OF REPUBLICANS WANT TO SEE TRUMP AS THEIR NOMINEE AND BIDEN DIDN'T FARE BETTER WITH 40% WANTS HIM TO RUN AGAIN.

WHEN PRESSED, MOST VOTERS WOULD VOTE FOR BIDEN OR TRUMP.

>>> A NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WHO LOST THEIR MIDTERM ELECTION RACES HAVE FILED SUIT TO CHALLENGE THE ELECTION RESULTS.

IN SOME CASES, THEY WANT THE COURTS TO DECLARE THEM WINNERS AND JOINING US NOW IS ATTORNEY TOM RYAN AND GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: LET'S TAKE A 30,000-FOOT VIEW AND WHAT DO THESE LAWSUITS IN GENERAL CLAIM.

>> ALL THREE CLAIM FRAUD, MAL MALFEASANCE AND INCOMPETENCE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

NOT ALL, BUT THE LATE COMPLAINT.

THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL ELECTION CONTESTS AND ELECTION CONTESTS ARE CONTROLLED BY STATUTE.

YOU ARE OUTSIDE AND YOU DON'T GET THE RELIEF.

>> Ted: THESE CASES ARE SAYING, WHAT, THEY DON'T FOLLOW STATUTE?

STAT WITH THE LAKE ONE.

>> THE THREE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE KARI LAKE, MARK FINCHEM AND ABLE HAHMEDE AND THEY'RE ALLEGING TENS OF THOUSANDS OR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL BALLOTS THAT WERE REPORTEDLY CAST AND CLAIMING THAT MACHINES WERE NOT PROPERLY CERTIFIED AND CLAIMING ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

IT'S EVERYTHING FROM FIRST AMENDMENT VIOLATIONS AND KATIE HOBBS HAD A DUTY TO RECUSE HERSELF.

IT'S ALL OF THE THINGS ALLEGING, NONE ARE TRUE.

THEY LOOK IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THESE ARE 270 PAGES LONG AND THEY'RE ALL OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTORY SCHEME.

>> Ted: BEING OUTSIDE THE STATUTORY SCHEME, DO THEY HAVE EVIDENCE?

>> NO.

>> Ted: NO EVIDENCE AT ALL?

>> SUSPICION, RUMOR AND GOSSIP.

YOU CAN'T WALK INTO COURT AND SAY WE'VE HEARD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS HAVE BEEN COST.

THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.

THE STANDARD FOR THE EVIDENCE IN AN ELECTION CONTEST IS BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE AND THAT IS A VERY HIGH STANDARD.

YOU CAN'T JUST WALK IN AND SAY, I HEAR.

YOU CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, POLLS SHOW US THAT KARI LAKE WAS POPULAR AND SHE SHOULD HAVE WON.

NONE OF THOSE THINGS MATTER.

OTHER THINGS ALLEGING SAYING TOO MANY LONG LINES.

WELL, GUESS WHAT?

EVERY ELECTION HAS TOO MANY LONG LINES.

AND THERE'S A REMEDY FROM THAT.

IF YOU 'DO WANT DON'T WANT TO WAIT IN A LONG LINE, CAST YOUR EARLY BALLOT AND THAT'S HOW YOU REMEDY YOUR BALLOT.

IF THEY WALK AWAY FROM A LONG LINE, THAT'S NOT AN ILLEGAL VOTE AND THAT'S NOT ANYBODY'S PROBLEM AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR.

MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR KATIE HOBBS AND MAYBE KARI LAKE.

ALL OF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE SPEC DUESPECULATION, CONSPIRACY THEORIES CONDUCTED AND NONE WILL GET THEM ACROSS THE FINISH LIKE.

>> Ted: THE LAKE CLAIM WAS 70 SOME ODD PAGES AND I WON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH AND THROUGH THE 70 PAGES, NO HARD EVIDENCE?

>> NO.

FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE QUICK EXAMPLE.

THEY CLAIM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VOTES CAST ACROSS THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND IF THAT WERE TRUE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL 15 COUNTIES.

THEY ALLEGE MARICOPA COUNTY AND PROBLEM NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW THE EVIDENCE AND YOU CAN'T COME IN AND SAY, WE ASSUME HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL BALLOTS WERE PROCESSED.

WHAT'S YOUR EVIDENCE?

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> WHEN YOU DO AN ELECTION CONTEST BECAUSE WE WANT SOMETHING TO BE RESOLVED PROMPTLY, YOU CAN'T JUST WALK IN WITH GUESSES.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE EVIDENCE AND IF YOU'RE COMING IN AND SAYING WE THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED, THE COST WILL TOSS YOU YOU.

>> Ted: HAMHEDE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S NOT CLAIMING FRAUD.

>> WE'RE NOT ALLEGING FRAUD, MISCONDUCT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE FIRST PARAGRAPH SAYS WE HAVE TO COGNIZANT CLAIM AND YOU CAN STOP READING AND PUT IT ALL AWAY BECAUSE IT ISN'T FIT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF TITLE 16.

>> Ted: WHY WOULD HE WANT COURTS TO DECLARE HIM THE WINNER?

BECAUSE HE LOST AND THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

HOW COULD I LOSE?

I'M A REPUBLICAN.

I SHOULD HAVE WON.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPUBLICANS AND VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS DO THE SAME THING.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN IN A REPUBLICAN STATE DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY WIN.

>> Ted: AS WE SIT HERE, THERE'S A HEARING TO DISMISS LAKE ON MONDAY, AND I THINK TOMORROW MORNING, MAYBE THE FINCHEM, A MOVE TO DISMISS AND ANYTHING WILL GET TRACTION?

>> NO.

I WILL PREDICT ALL THREE WILL BE DISMISSED BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIT WITHIN THE ELECTION STATUTE, TITLE 16, FIVE REASONS THAT YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN AN ELECTION CONTEST AND NONE APPLY HERE.

SO THESE WILL GETTIES GET DISMISSED.

NOT ONE OF THE FRONTLINE ELECTION LAWYERS DRAFTED ANY ONE OF THESE COMPLAINTS.

THEY'RE DRAFTED BY NOT ONE OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS.

>> Ted: WE HAVE A. COUPLECOUPLEMINUTES LEFT.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH COUNTIES AS OPPOSED TO THE STATE AND WHERE IS MARK BRNOVICH?

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

HE'S OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL EXCEPT UNTIL JUNE 30th OF 2023.

A YEAR AGO IN THE 2021 STATE LEGISLATURE, THEY PASSED AN OMNI-PUSS BILL ANDOMNIBUS BILL AND IT SAID WE'LL STRIP THE SECRETARY OF STATE OFFICE OF THE RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE BEING DEFENDED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

WE'LL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND LIMB THE LIMIT THE AMOUNT THEY CAN PAY.

KATIE HOBBS' OFFICE FILED A BAR COMPLAINT AGAINST MARK BRNOVICH IN A CASE REPRESENTING THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE, GOT OUT OF THE CASE AND CAME BACK IN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS UNETHICAL.

HE GOT SENT BY THE STATE BAR TO A DIVERSION PROGRAM.

IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT THIS LEGISLATION WAS INCLUDED IN THE OMNIBUS BILL.

THAT'S WHY OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IS NOT DOING WHAT IS TYPICAL AN ATTORNEY GENERAL JOB.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, ONE LAST QUESTION HERE.

FOR THOSE ATTORNEYS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN TEASE LAWSUITS, SANCTIONS POSSIBLE?

>> VERY LIKELY.

WHEN A LAWYER SIGNSEN TO A COMPLAINT, UNDER THE RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE, IT'S A VERIFICATION PROCESS.

I HAVE INVESTIGATED AND FACTUAL SUPPORT AND LAW IS IN OUR FAVOR.

ONE MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO SANCTIONS AND THAT'S KARI LAKE AND THE 70 PAGE COMPLAINT WAS VERIFIED BY KARI LAKE HERSELF AND SHE IS POTENTIALLY SUBJECT TO RULE 11 SANCTIONS AND SHE BARELY GOT OUT IN THE U.S.

STRICT COURT WITH JOHN JOHN TUCHI SHE FILED AGAINST THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THOSE ATTORNEYS GOT SANCTIONED.

THE ALLEGATIONS THEY'RE MAKING IN ALL THREE CASES ARE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT JUDGE TUCHI SAID GET OUT, YOU ARE NO CASE.

SO I SUSPECT THAT THESE LAWYERS WILL BE FACING SANCTIONS AGAIN.

>> Ted: TOM RYAN, ATTORNEY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, A VISIT WITH STATE TREASURER, KIMBERLY YE.

>> STATE TREASURER KIMBERLY YOURSELF YE WAS REVOTED AND SHE SPOKES TO ALL OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA AND WE WELCOME HER TO "ARIZONA HORIZON" AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WIN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WON?

>> I WORKED HARD IN ENSURING I VISITED ALL PARTS OF THE STATE AND I WAS IN THE REMOTE OF OUR COUNTIES TALKING TO PEOPLE OF ARIZONA.

NOT JUST REPUBLICANS.

THIS WAS A GENERAL ELECTION.

I SPOKE TO INDEPENDENTS.

I SPOKE TO MODERATE DEMOCRATS AND THOSE WHO WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THEM.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE RACE, RELATIVELY CIVIL COMPARED TO SO MANY OTHER RACES.

HOW DID YOU PULL IT OFF?

>> IT'S THE OLD FASHIONED WAY OF CAMPAIGNING.

I PREVIOUS YOU STAY ON POINT TO THE ISSUES.

NEVER GET PERSONAL.

IT WAS ABOUT RESPECT AND MAINTAINING THE CIVIL DISCOURSE, THAT OLD FASHIONED WAY OF TALKING ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES WITHOUT GOING INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND I THINK THAT RESONATES WITH THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING, OUR VOTERS AND I SAW THAT IN THE NUMBERS AS THEY CAME OUT BECAUSE REALLY, TRULY, I RECEIVED CROSS-OVER VOTERS.

IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, 80,000 REPUBLICANS THERE WAS A CROSS-OVER.

>> Ted: YOU'RE SEEN AS AN OUTLIER COMPARED TO MANY OTHER CANDIDATES WHO THERE WAS A LOT OF SLASH AND BURNOUT AND A LOT OF NAME CALLING AND CIVIL DISCOURSE WAS WAY OFF IN THE DISTANCE AND WHY DID YOU NOT GO IN THAT DIRECTION?

>> I DID NOT GO IN THAT DIRECTION AND I STAY TRUE TO MY PRINCIPLES AND WHAT MATTERS.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN A STATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE A GROWING NUMBER OF INDEPENDENTS HAVE REGISTERED.

FOR A LITTLE WHILE THEY EXCEEDED REPUBLICANS IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND INDEPENDENTS AND THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTERS TO FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES AND THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE STAYED ON POINT WITH.

OBVIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY, AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, DONE THIS A FEW TIMES BEFORE, HAVING SERVED IN THE LEGISLATURE AND SERVING AS STATE TREASURER AND I'VE BEEN ON THAT CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED IN MY STYLE.

I THINK THE RESULTS SHOWED FOR IT.

>> Ted: IN THE OP-ED, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT PARTY AFFILIATIONS IN THE CAMPAIGN.

DO YOU THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH OF THAT THESE DAYS?

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PARTY AFFILIATIONS ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE THAT YOU'LL PROTECT THE PEOPLE WITH.

IF IT'S THE ECONOMY, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT.

YOU SHOULD PROTECT THE PEOPLE'S MONEY AND BE A WATCHDOG.

THAT.

>> Ted: YOU ORIGINALLY RAN FOR GOVERNOR AND DECIDED TO OPT OUT AND GO FOR REELECTION AS A TREASURER AND WHY DID YOU DO THAT?

>> THIS IS A TIME AND PLACE LOOKING FOR AT ECONOMY AND ENSURING WE HAVE AN EXPERIENCED HAND AT THE WHEEL AND IN MY TIME AS TREASURER, WE'VE SEEN RECORD EARNINGS JUST IN.

WE'VE HAD RECORD EARNINGS THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN IN ARIZONA.

FOR INSTANCE, OUR INTEREST EARNINGS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR ALONE IS AT $300 MILLION.

AND THAT'S A 765% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

>> Ted: YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

ARE YOU GLAD AND DO YOU REGRET -- SEEING HOW THINGS TURNED OUT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT LEAVING THAT RACE?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT A LEADER STAYS TRUE TO THEIR PRINCIPLES PUP DON'T LEAVE THOSE THINGS BEHIND.

WHEN I'M RUNNING FOR ANY OFFICE, I'M SEARCHING PEOPLE OF ARIZONA.

WHEN YOU SEE THAT NEED, FOR INSTANCE, WITH OUR FINANCES, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED AND THAT'S WHY I CONSIDERED THE REELECTION.

>> Ted: ORIGINALLY, YOU CONSIDERED THE GOVERNOR AND I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN, DO YOU LOOK BACK AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW?

>> AS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM THAT EXPERIENCE, I WORKED FOR TWO GOVERNORS IN MY PAST AND A FORMER STATE TREASURER AND ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE GAINED ALONG THE YEARS.

WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE AND ENSURING THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE PROTECTED, THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKED OVER BY SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT INTEGRITY AND TRUSTWORTHINESS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED IN ALL OFFICES.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU WATCHED THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S DEBATE, WHICH I WAS THIS FOR AND I'M SURE YOU WATCHED, DID YOU SIT BACK AND GO WHEW?

>> NOT MY STYLE, THAT'S FOR SURE.

>> Ted: THERE YOU GO.

SECOND TERM, WHAT CAN YOU DO IN A SECOND TERM THAT WASN'T DONE IN THE FIRST?

>> WE'LL CONTINUE FOCUSING ON FINANCIAL EDUCATION AND LITERACY.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TIME FOR FAMILIES TO PUT THAT MONEY ASIDE AS WE MAY HEAD INTO A RECESSION OF NEXT YEAR.

CONTINUING TO HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THOSE LEADERS WHO WILL BE DETERMINING WHAT THAT BUDGET LOOKS LIKE, NOT ONLY SHORT-TERM BUT LONG-TERM BUDGETING.

>> Ted: REPUBLICAN LEAD, AND THIS GO-AROUND AND DIFFERENT RESIDENT ON THE NINTH FLOOR.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO WORK WITH GOVERNOR HOBBS?

>> I WAS THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER AND SHE WAS THE MINORITY DEMOCRAT LEADER AND SO WE HAVE SERVED TOGETHER MANY YEARS AND ALWAYS WORKED ACROSS THE AISLE IN A WAY THAT WAS VERY RESPECTFUL.

SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT CHANGING AS SHE SERVES IN HER NEW ROLE.

>> Ted: YOU WON, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN AND MANY OTHER REPUBLICANS IN STATE-WIDE RACES LOST.

DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE TO THEM?

I KNOW YOU KNOW WHY YOU WON AND IT'S NOT YOUR STYLE TO DO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DID.

BUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN GENERAL RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF TURMOIL AND WHAT'S YOUR MESSAGE?

>> WELL, I STAY ON PLATFORM ISSUES, THINGS THAT I BELIEVE IN AND DON'T CHANGE PRINCIPLE ISSUES.

AS WE LOOK AT THE CAMPAIGN, WE WENT OFF THE EDGES.

AS WE FOCUS ON IMPORTANT ISSUES FOR ARIZONA, WE NEED TO REMEMBER IT'S THE PEOPLE FIRST AND WE WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND WE SERVE THEM AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO RESONATE LOOKING AT FUTURE ELECTIONS.

>> Ted: THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE RECENT.

STATE TREASURE, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WIN AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: THE NEW MARICOPA VISIT CENTER IS DESIGNED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY AND TOWN'S IMPORTANCE TO THE GROWTH.

RECENTLY, WE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE MUSEUM FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE MARICOPA HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

>> I HAD NO IDEA MARICOPA HAD THIS MUCH HISTORY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS BUILT IN THE DESERT IN ONE OF THESE SUBURBAN AREAS AND THIS SORT OF THING.

I MEAN, THIS TOWN HAS HAD THREE LOCATIONS OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

>> YEAH.

THERE ARE MANY SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC FACTORS THAT LEAD INTO THAT.

THE FIRST SITE, MARICOPA WELLS, THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE LIVES ON THE SIDE OF THE GILA RIVER AND THEY DUG WELLS AND THERE'S A HIGH WATER TABLE AND THAT WAS FRUITFUL FOR THEM AND THAT BECAME, THEN, A CENTRAL PLACE FOR EXPLORERS AND ADVENTURERS WOULD COME THROUGH AND THE STAGE COACH LINE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THAT AREA.

AN INTERESTING THING THAT I FOUND AS WE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND LOOKED AT WRITINGS AND JOURNALS FROM THE EARLY ERAS, MARICOPA WAS KNOWN FOR FRIENDLINESS AND THEY HAD ONE OF THE BEST STATIONS.

THERE WERE 27 STATIONS ACROSS ARIZONA AND MARICOPA WAS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEY WERE KNOWN FOR THE BEST FOOD AND FOR THE BEST ACCOMMODATIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PARTTAN SPARTAN AT THAT TIME.

WE HAVE AN INTERESTING ARTICLE THAT ONE OF THE PROUDEST THING IS THAT THEIR MAIL IS ON TIME.

IT WAS A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND STAGE COACHES WERE AN INTERESTING THING AND MOST PEOPLE THING OF THE STAGE COACH AS THE BIG CONCORD WAGON AND THOSE YOU SEE IN THE MOVIES OR THE JOHN WAYNE, BUT IN ARIZONA, THEY HAD A SOLARITY WAGON.

AS THEY LEFT FROM St.LOUIS AND OTHER TERRITORIES, THEY WEREN'T MET FOR THEIR KIND OF TRAVEL.

THEY TRANSFERRED PEOPLE FROM WHAT WAS THE CONCORD COACH INTO A SOLARITY WAGON AND REFERRED TO AS A MUD WAGON.

WHEN WE HAVE A DRAWING OR ILLUSTRATION, THEN WE'LL RECREATE THAT SCENE IN A DIARAMA AND THAT WAY PEOPLE, OLDERKIES OLDER KIDS AND YOUNGER KIDS COULD SEE THAT AND IT MAKES IT MORE ENGAGING.

>> TALK TO ME, MARICOPA WELLS, EIGHT MILES NORTH OF THE TOWN AND YOU MOVED OVER TO MARICOPAVILLE AND EAST TO MARICOPAVILLE AND WHY THE MOVE?

>> SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILWAY AND NOW THE RAIL CAME INTO PREDOMINANCE INSTEAD OF THE STAGE COACH AND MULE WAGONS AND THEY FINALLY MADE A LINE THAT CONNECTED FROM SAN FRANCISCO DOWN THROUGH CALIFORNIA ACROSS TO YUMA INTO MARICOPAVILLE AND MARICOPAVILLE AT THAT TIME WAS SEEN AS THE TERMINUS AND AN EXPEDITION AND SPECIAL EXCURSION TRAIN.

THEY SOLD LOTS AND AT THAT TIME, IT WAS SO POPULAR AND THE PEOPLE WERE PAY POSITION SUCH A HIGH PRICE FOR LOTS AND STARTING BUSINESSES THERE THAT IT WAS MENTIONED AS POSSIBLY A SITE FOR THE STATE CAPITAL.

IT WAS SEEN AS VERY GOOD AND THEY HAD A BOOMING BUSINESS BECAUSE AS THE TRAIN CAME TO MARICOPAVILLE, THEY HAD WAGONS THAT WOULD TAKE THE FREIGHT UP INTO ARIZONA, TEMPE, PHOENIX AND ALL THE WAY UP INTO PRESCOTT AND WE HAVE INTERESTING JOURNALS AND NEWSPAPER ARTICLES ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

>> Ted: AND YET, YOU MOVE EAST TO MARICOPAVILLE AND MARICOPAVILLE MOVES THREE MILES FURTHER EAST TO MARICOPA JUNCTION AND IT'S NOT LIKE MARICOPAVILLE WAS GOING GREAT GUNS.

WHAT HAPPENED TOMARICOPAVILLE ANDMARICOPAVILLE?

>> THEY WENT FROM BOOM TO BUST.

TEMPE OPPOSED THAT AND WON OUT OVER THE CITY OF PHOENIX AT THAT TIME AND SO THEY WANTED THE RAILLINE TO COME TO THE EASTERN PART AND TEMPE FIRST.

IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GO FURTHER, THEY WOULD HAVE A SPUR LINE TO PHOENIX AND MESA AND TEMPE WON.

THE TOWN HAD TO MOVE SO THAT THE JUNCTIONJUNCTION WOULD BE IN LINE.

>> Ted: IT SEVENNED AS A JUNCTION FOR HOW LONG, 40 SOMETHING YEARS?

>> YES.

IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRECURSOR TO WHAT WE WISH WE HAD NOW WITH THE TRAFFIC ON THE 347 THAT WE HAD A NICE ELECTRIC CAR THAT WOULD RUN UP TO TEMPE INTO PHOENIX.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT MARICOPA NOW AND I PLAYED A GULF COURSE DOWN THERE AND THE 347, IF347.THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC DOWN THERE AND GROWTH CONCERNS, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

>> WE'VE CRESTED 70,000 AND NOW THE LARGEST CITY IN PINAL COUNTY AND LOOKING AT CREATIVE WAYS TO GARNER THE.

ERPROPER FUNDING TOWIDEN THAT ROAD.

THEY HAVE EXISTING AGREEMENTS WHICH MAKE THE WIDENING EASY TO GET THE LAND BECAUSE THERE'S A COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE INDIAN TRIBES AND FUNDING THE ROAD IS WHERE THE CHALLENGE IS.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT NEW MAYOR, NANCY SMITH, WHO HAD A WONDERFUL ARTICLE ON THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE'LL TRY TO GARNER THAT.

IT'S A CHALLENGE.

WE WISH WE COULD BRING BACK THE DOODLE BUG.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: LAST QUESTION HERE.

ARE THERE MARKERS FOR MARICOPA MARICOPAVILLE AND MARICOPA WELLS.

ARE THERE AREAS OR HAVE THEY BEEN BUILT OVER?

>> THEY'VE BEEN BUILT OVER.

THE SITE OF MARICOPA WELLS ON NATIVE LAND AND THEY'RE PROTECTIVE OF THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

PEOPLE DIDN'T RESPECT IT AND THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE AND TRIED TO GET THINGS FROM THE AREA.

THAT'S A PRIVATE LAND.

WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM AND RET SENTRETICENT TO LET ANYBODY IN THERE.

>> Ted: WHO KNOW SO MUCH GOING ON IN MARICOPA OVER THE YEARS.

>> IT'S A CASUAL PLACE.

>> Ted: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!