>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR TODAY ORDERING ARIZONA NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS TO THE BORDER.

THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON >> THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS.

THANK YOU.

>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS MARY JO PITZEL AND BOB CHRISTIE AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND BOB, YOU'RE JOINING US ON ZOOM.

CAMRYN, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

THE GOVERNOR SENDS THE NATIONAL GUARD TO THE BORDER, HUH?

>> THIS IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE INITIALLY SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SAID SHE WOULD DO IT AND NOW SHE HAS TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING.

SHE SEEMS PRETTY UPSET WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT LENDING A HAND.

>> Ted: DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TROOPS AND WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING?

>> THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HELP DPS, TO GET THE LUKEVILLE PORT OF ENTRY UNDER CONTROL BECAUSE IT CLOSED AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD TO REASSIGN AGENTS TO HELP WITH PROCESSING MIGRANTS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND THAT CREATED OTHER PROBLEMS WITH COMMERCE AND TOURISM AND OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ROCKY POINT.

SO HOBBS, YOU KNOW, WASN'T A FAN WHEN IT FIRST HAPPENED AND NOW WE'RE IN CORRECTION MODE.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU THINK, MARY JO?

>> THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD WILL HELP WITH ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AND I DON'T THINK THEY COULD APPREHEND ILLEGAL CROSSERS.

BUT THIS IS COMING JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS AND CHRISTMAS BREAK WHEN WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF ARIZONANS WHO WANT TO GO TO ROCKY POINT AND SPEND HOLIDAYS.

>> Ted: OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A MAJOR FACTOR HERE AND HOW BIG OF A DEAL IS THIS?

>> WELL, FOR FOLKS IN ARIZONA WHO WANT TO GO TO THE PHOENIX BEACH, WHICH IS ROCKY POINT, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

WHETHER OR NOT THIS DOES ANYTHING TO REOPEN THE ORDER, UNCLEAR.

SHE DID MEET THIS MORNING WITH THE GOVERNOR OF SENORA, MEXICO AND THAT GOVERNOR PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING THEY'RE WORKING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO REOPEN IT.

THIS IS DEPENDING ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THOUGH.

I DON'T THINK SENDING A FEW TROOPS TO BE NEAR THE BORDER, NOT ON THE BORDER AND NOT SPECIFICALLY, ACTUALLY, DOING ANYTHING TO REOPEN THE BORDER WILL AFFECT THE FEDERAL DECISION THERE.

>> Ted: SHE CALLED THIS AN UNMITIGATED HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN THE AREA.

IS THAT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON DOWN THERE?

>> WELL, YEAH, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF MIGRANTS CROSSING DAILY, HUNDREDS, AN UNKNOWN NUMBER OF FOLKS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER INTO THESE REMOTE AREAS AND SURGED THERE AFTER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER THE CARTELS WERE FUNNELING THEM THERE AND THAT'S THE WORD.

AND SO THEY JUST SHOW UP ON THE BORDER AND THESE ARE NOT LARGE CITIES.

THESE ARE TINY LITTLE BORDER CROSSINGS.

LUKEVILLE IS ESSENTIALLY NOTHING.

YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF BORDER CROSSINGS HERE.

THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN RUNNING THIS BUS SERVICE WHERE THEY BRING THE MIGRANTS AFTER THEY'VE BEEN PROCESSED AND RELEASED BY BORDER PATROL UP TO NGO'S IN ARIZONA.

THERE WAS A BIG FIGHT IN THE LEGISLATURE YESTERDAY AND SHE WAS TRYING TO SHIP SOME MONEY OVER TO DOING MORE OF CONTINUING THE BUSING TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

BUT MAINLY INTO PHOENIX AND THE NGO'S BRING THEM OUT.

THE LEGISLATURE REFUSED TO DO THAT SAYING SHE NEEDS TO DO MUCH MORE AND THESE FOLKS ARE JUST DROPPED OFF AT AND NOT SENT OUT OF STATE.

SHE WANTED TO MOVE $23 MILLION TO HELP LOCAL BORDERS AND TO CONTINUE TO BUSING AND SHE WANTS TO COMPLETE THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER.

IT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH.

I PULLED A BUNCH OF DOCUMENTS LIKE TODAY AND JUST NOVEMBER 22nd, THE HEAD OF THE ARIZONA NATIONAL GUARD SENT A MEMO SAYING, LET US SHIFT ALL OF THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON NATIONAL GUARD BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER NEEDED.

WE DON'T NEED THEM THERE ANYMORE AND THIS HAS ENDED.

LET SHIFT THE MONEY TO BUSING.

>> Ted: WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING.

THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO CLOSE LUKEVILLE AND CLOSING LUKEVILLE, IS THAT MAKING FOR MORE OF A CRISIS IN.

>> I THINK REOPENING THE PORT OF ENTRY IS A PRIORITY FOR THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE END GOAL, TO NOT HAVE ANY PORTS OFEN OF ENTRY CLOSED BECAUSE IS MANY PEOPLE ARE CROSSING.

>> Ted: WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT DPS WILL DO AT THE BORDER.

>> I WILL SAY TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, YEAH, THIS HA IN THIS HAS CREATED A POLITICAL CRISIS.

HAS PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE GOVERN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND IT TOOK HER A LITTLE BIT TO COME AROUND.

SHE DID GO DOWN AND VISIT THE BORDER LAST WEEKEND AND THEN, NOW SIX DAYS LATER, WE HAVE THIS DIRECTIVE.

>> Ted: SURPRISED SHE WAS HAS HARSH AS SHE WAS OR DID SHE HAVE TO BE WITH THIS ORDER?

>> IT'S YOUR STATE, DISRUPTING A LOT OF COMMERCE AND PEOPLE'S VACATION PLANSES.

>> I.

>> I THINK IT WAS COST BECAUSE PRESIDENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HELPING AND FOOTING THE BILL, THEN THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN IF ARIZONA IS HANDLING IT.

SHE ASKED THEM TO PAY US BACK A FEW HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT HAS HAPPENED.

>> ISN'T THAT FAMILIAR?

>> Ted: A FAMILIAR REQUEST AND RESPONSE.

>> HOW MANY ARIZONA GOVERNORS HAVE SENT BILLS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF NAPOLITANO, THE LAST GOVERNOR, BUILD THE FEDS, BUT YEAH, SHE DID, BECAUSE IT WAS A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS DIFFERENT WITH A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR BUILDING A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION.

>> Ted: BUT THE SILENCE IS THE SAME?

>> NO CA-CHING.

>> Ted: THE STATE SUPREME COURT HEARD A BIG ABORTION CASE IN ARIZONA AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> THE BIG ONE THAT IS GOING TO OSTENSIBLY SETTLE ONCE AND FOR ALL WHAT IS THE OPERATING LAW IN ARIZONA.

>> THERE IS ONE SIDE THAT ARGUES A TERRITORIAL TERRITORIAL BAN ON ABORTIONS IMPOSE CRIMINAL PENALTIES NOT ONLY ON THE WOMEN AND MEDICAL PROVIDERS.

THEY CONTEND THAT IS STILL THE LAW OF THE LAND AND IT SHOULD SUPERCEDE IS BILL PASSED JUST LAST YEAR PUTTING A 15-WEEK LIMIT ON ABORTIONS AND MAKES ABORTION ILLEGAL AFTER THAT PONT.

POINT.

AN APPEAL'S COURT SAID THEY FOUND A WAY TO MAKE THE TWO WORK TOGETHER, HARMONIZE.

BUT THE HEARING DID SHOW, KEEPING IT THE META-PHORE, LIKE IF AN WOMAN GETS AN ABORTION AT 12 WEEKS AND NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE 1864 LAW.

>> Ted: BOB, WHAT WERE THE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND WHAT DID YOU HEAR?

>> ON THE SIDE OF THE APPROPRIATES OF THE 1850 LAW, THIS HAS A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION IN IT AND SAYS, THIS LAW DOES NOT SUPERCEDE THE PREVIOUS LAW.

IT SITS ON TOP OF IT.

SO IT IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE LAW THAT IF ROE V. WADE GOES AWAY, THE OLD LAW CAN BE ENFORCED.

DOESN'T SAY ROE V. WADE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SAID.

DOESN'T SUPERCEDE THIS PREVIOUS LAW.

NOW THAT ROE WENT AWAY, THEY SAY THAT'S THE END OF THE ARGUMENT.

THE OLD LAW COULD BE ENFORCED.

THE ABORTION RIGHTS, THEY SAY, LISTEN, THIS IS TOTALLY CONFUSING AND THERE'S.

A WHOLE SERIES OF LAW THAT HAVE PASSED THAT REGULATE ABORTION OVER THE LAST 30, 40, 50 YEARS, THAT YOU JUST CAN'T IGNORE THEM AND SAY, WIPE ALL OF THESE LAWS OFF THE BOOKS SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS PREVIOUS LAW NOW MIGHT BE ENFORCED.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM EFFECT, AS WELL.

AND THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT UNLIKE OTHER STATES THAT HAVE SO-CALLED TRIGGER LAWS THAT SAID IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED BY THE SUPREME COURT, THEN IT TRIGGERS THIS MUCH MORE ONEROUS LAW THAT WAS NOT ENFORCEABLE BEFORE.

AND THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE DID NOT PUT THAT INTO THE LAW.

AND THAT WAS A BIG POINT FOR THE APPROPRIATES.

PROPONENTS AND FORMER GOVERNOR DOUG DUCEY WHO SIGNED LAST YEAR'S LAW, THE 15-WEEK BAN, SAID, YOU KNOW, MY LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE OLD LAWS.

THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR ARGUMENTS AND THE COURT SEEMS AT LEAST OPEN TO A COUPLE OF THEM.

THAT'S INCLUDING THE ONE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE TWO LAWS AND DO YOU REALLY EXPECT DOCTORS TO BE FORCED TO READ THESE TWO SETS OF LAWS?

ONE SET THAT'S OK AND ONE SET THAT'S NOT AND WHAT DO THEY DO.

THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> Ted: AND CAMRYM, YOU HAVE 3-3 AND YOU HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER OF JUSTICES BECAUSE OF BILL MONTGOMERY REFUSING HIMSELF.

RECUSING HIMSELF AND WE HAVE A BALLOT MEASURE CAUSING THE LANDSCAPE OF ABORTION RIGHTS.

SO WHAT DID WE LEARN THIS WEEK FROM THESE ARGUMENTS?

>> WELL, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT ABORTION RESTRICTIONS AND, OF COURSE, THE 15-WEEK IS THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS THERE.

THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD SIDE IS PURRING PUSHING FOR.

THEY WANT TO CODIFY ROE V. WADE AND THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN AND THAT'S WHAT THE BALLOT MEASURE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET FORWARD IS.

>> Ted: DOES IT CHANGE THE SUCCESS OF THE MEASURE GETTING ON THE BALLOT AND SUCCEEDING IF THE SUPREME COURT RULES IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER?

>> I THINK THE BALLOT MEMBERS ARE STRONG WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR LEGAL FORCE.

>> I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF THE TERRITORIAL ERA LAW IS UPHELD, THAT MIGHT GIVE A BOOST TO THE ONGOING DRIVE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM ALL OF THIS IS ABORTIONS COULD BE THE TOP LINE TOPIC IN ARIZONA UNTIL NEXT NOVEMBER.

>> Ted: WITH THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT GOING TOO FAR, MARY JO, BUT ANY ATTEMPT OF THE LEGISLATURE TO REGARDING ABORTION RIGHTS OR SIT BACK AND BAIT?

WAIT?

>> THE PRUDENT THING WOULD BE THE LATTER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THERE IS TO BE ADDRESSED.

NEXT YEAR AN ELECTION YEAR AND LAWMAKERS, JUST TO MAKE A POINT ONEYOU KNOW, MIGHT INTRODUCE LEGISLATION RELATING TO ABORTION THAT WON'T GO ANYWHERE.

>> Ted: CAN'T GO ANYWHERE IF A DEMOCRATIC SAYS GOVERNOR SAYS THEY DON'T WANT IT.

>> BUT IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR AND ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTION.

SO THEY MAY, AS JUST A MATTER OF A CAMPAIGN TACTIC, THEY MAY ADVANCE THE BILL WITH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION ANYTHING SO TO GET PRESS AND GO TO VOTERS SAY I'M FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT TO LIFE.

THOUGHT OF COURSE, THE DEMOCRATS, THEY FILE THINGS EVERY YEAR THAT NEVER GET A HEARING.

THEY DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT AND THEY CAN SAY, I TRIED AND THE LEGISLATURE CAN TRY TO DO SOMETHING.

THE GOVERNOR IS NOT GOING TO SIGN ANYTHING THAT RESTRICTS ABORTION AND THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WON'T APPROVE ANYTHING THAT LIMITS IT OR THAT REMOVES ANY OF THE LIMITS THAT ARE IN PLACE.

>> Ted: REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HIGH COURT SAYS HERE.

>> YES, REGARDLESS.

>> Ted: KENNETH CHESEBRO, HE MET WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL INVESTIGATORS AND WHAT DO WE KNOW?

>> I ASKED MAYES ABOUT IT AND SHE WAS TIGHT-LIPPED BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.

BY DO KNOW IN OTHER STATES, GEORGIA, NEVADA, MICHIGAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAKE ELECTORRERS BEING PROSECUTED.

IN ARIZONA, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT.

MAYES SAID WE'RE BEHIND THE CURB BECAUSE WE STARTED LATE AND PUT SOME OF THAT ON BRNOVICH FOR NOT INVESTIGATING PEOPLE WHO SAID THE PEOPLE WENT FOR TRUMP IN ARIZONA WHEN IT WENT FOR BIDEN.

KENNETH CHESEBRO WAS A WITNESS IN NEVADA AND HAD TO TESTIFY IN GEORGIA.

SHE WOULDN'T SAY WHAT IT'S IN REGARD TO AND IT INDICATES THAT SHE'S MOVING ALONG WITH HER INVESTIGATION AND THAT MAYBE HE'LL BE A FACTOR IN THE PROSECUTION.

>> Ted: THE FACT THAT HE MEANT WITH THE NEVADA PROSECUTORS ONE WEEK AND NEXT WEEK INDICTMENTS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN EXPECT ANYTHING NEXT WEEK, BUT IT SUGGESTS THE WHEELS ARE TURNING.

>> BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FLOW OF WORK IS IN ARIZONA, IF IT'S SIMILAR TO NEVADA.

BUT KENNETH CHESEBRO SAID HE'LL TELL THE TRUTH AND TELLING THE SAME STORY TO ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS GENERAL.

SO MAYBE WE'LL HAVE NEWS IN THE NEW YEAR.

>> Ted: AND BOB, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11, QUOTE, DULY ELECTED AND QUALIFIED ELECTORS INCLUDING A COUPLE OF LAWMAKERS HERE.

THIS COULD BE SERIOUS BUSINESS.

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KELLY WARD, THE FORMER HEAD OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY AS ONE OF THE ELECTORS AND ANTHONY KERN, A CURRENT STATE SENATOR AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE OTHER GUY.

>> Ted: JAKE HOFFMAN AND WE HAVE TWO STATE SENATORS WHO BOTH, IF THEY'RE CONVICTED OF FELONIES, OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE BARRED FROM OFFICE.

ANTHONY KERN IS ONE OF A DOZEN PEOPLE RUNNING TO REPLACE DEBBIE LESKO IN THE FAR WESTERN PHOENIX SUBURBS FOR A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT.

THIS IS NOT A HARD CASE FOR A PROSECUTOR.

NEED PEOPLE DID THIS ON VIDEOTAPE.

THE EVIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE.

I GUESS YOU HAVE TO PROVE THEY WERE AWARE OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS UNLAWFUL AND THAT THEY DID IT ANYWAY.

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND WHAT ELEMENTS YOU HAVE TO PROVE, BUT THE EVIDENCE IS SURE RIGHT THERE.

YOU HAVE KENNETH CHESEBRO COMING IN AND HE'S THE ARCHITECT WHO HELPED TO SET IT UP ACROSS THE STATES THAT SENT A FAKE SERIES OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE DELEGATES CERTIFICATIONS TO DEGREE, WHICH WERE, OF COURSE, ALL REJECTED.

AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS NAMED PRESIDENT AS THE PEOPLE SPOKE AND SAID THAT HE SHOULD BE.

>> YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THE ATTORNEY ADVISING THIS SLATE OF ELECTORS WHEN HE CALLED THEM, SAID MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL THEM "FAKE ELECTORS," SORT OF SUGGESTED THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES.

>> Ted: AND SOME OF THE OTHER STATES, THEY INCLUDED THE WORD "IF" IF THERE WERE PROBLEMS THAT SHOWED UP AND IF X, Y AND Z OCCURRED TO WHERE THE ELECTION WAS IN DOUBT.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY "IF" AND HERE WE GO AND MOVE HEAD.

AND VERY PUBLICALLY.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAD TO FIND THE VIDEO.

I THINK THE G.O.P POSTED ON TWITTER, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY SAY IT'S CONSPIRACY TEARTHEORIES AND THOSE ARE SERIOUS.

>> AND IF YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY AND SANCTIONED, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

WE'RE SEEING ATTORNEYS SANCTIONED ALL UP AND DOWN SIDEWALKS HERE.

TALK TO US, A LOT OF FOLKS HERE.

>> ONCE AGAIN, KARI LAKE ATTORNEYS, BEING SANCTIONED BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE SANCTIONED.

>> Ted: A UP, JUDGE, I THINK DID IT.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND CREDIBILITY, I THINK.

ALEXANDER KOLODIN WAS ONE THAT WAS SANCTIONED, AN ATTORNEY AND A LAWMAKER AND IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND HE HAD TO APOLOGIZE, BUT THEN ON TWITTER, HE DIDN'T REALLY APOLOGIZE FOR HIS WRONG-DOINGS.

AGREED TO PAY A FINE.

>> Ted: ADMONITION AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THAT WAS KOLODIN AND STARS LAKEN AND AS FAR AS LAKE ATTORNEYS, AND THEY'RE SAYING IT WAS ALL OF THIS.

>> COMPLAINTS WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BAR.

THEY INVESTIGATED IT AND SAID THIS IS NOT COMPORTING WITH HOW ATTORNEYS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK AND YOU CAN'T GO AROUND AND SPREAD LIES AND PROMOTE FALSEHOODS.

THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE TO IT.

PERFORMSPERFORMSPERHAPS THIS WILL BE A TIMELY REMINDER INTO THE 2024 CYCLE.

>> Ted: KOLODIN DIDN'T WASTE ANY TIME SAYING THIS WAS A HIT JOB OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> HE DIDN'T SEEM TOO APOLOGETIC FOR HIS MISDEEDS.

IF THE STATE BAR IS GOING TO PUT PEOPLE ON PROBATION OR GIVE THEM ADMONITIONS, WHICH ARE THE LOWEST LEVEL OF DISCIPLINES THE BAR CAN IMPOSE, THEY DIDN'T SUSPEND HIM AND DIDN'T REVOKE HIS LICENSE AND THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON THE TABLE FOR THE OTHER PLAYERS EITHER, ONE CAN RAISE THOSE QUESTIONS.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES?

IF YOU CLOG UP THE COURTS, IF YOU GIN UP AND TAKE POLITICAL ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE NO FACTUAL BASIS AND PUT THEM INTO A LEGAL DOCUMENT AND GO TO A U.S. DISTRICT COURT JUDGE OR A STATE JUDGE AND RUN IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT OR NINTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND YOU'RE REJECTED ALONG THE WAY AND LAUGHED AT AS A COURT AND THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES, WHAT DOES THE STATE DO?

>> Ted: A JUDGE SANCTIONED FRIVOLOUS COMPLAINT AND THAT THESE WERE BASELESS AND THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINE AND EVERYTHING WAS THROWN OUT HERE.

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, CAMRYN?

WILL WE SEE FOLKS THINKING TWICE BEFORE THEY SAME THINGS THEY CANNOT PROVE?

[ Laughter ] >> THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.

>> IT MIGHT IDENTIFY THEIR CLIENT BASE MORE FIRMLY.

>> IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO GIN UP THAT PARTICULAR BASE.

CAMRYN, A PLAN BY REPUBLICANS TO LOWER GAS PRICES.

WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

>> LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE DEMOCRATS AND SAY THEY WON'T WORK WITH DEMOCRATS.

ANYWAY, THEY WANT TO LOWER OUR GAS PRICES AND HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO DO IT BY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FUEL LENSE.

IN MARICOPA COUNTY, WE'RE RESTRICTED ON THE FUEL LENSE BECAUSE OF CLEAN AIR LAWS, WHICH WERE PUT IN PLACE BY THE EPA.

I HAD TO LEARN ABOUT IN BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW INITIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS.

BUT THERE'S A WINTER AND SUMMER BLEND AND THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE LIMITS FOR MARICOPA COUNTY AND SAYING WELL, IF WE HAVE MORE BLENDS AND MORE VARIETY, MAYBE THAT WILL BRING THE PRICES DOWN.

ARIZONA, WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, OIL HERE.

WE BRING IT IN FROM SUPPLIERS IN OTHER STATES, REFINERIES, MEXICO, CALIFORNIA.

IT WOULDN'T BE ARIZONA OIL AND THERE'S A QUESTION OF, WHERE WOULD WE GET IT FROM?

HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST AND WOULD IT MEET THE EPA'S REQUIREMENTS.

BUT THERE'S THE ONLY PETERSEN AND TOMA GETTING MORE POWER.

>> THEY'LL PROPOSE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LET THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY ALSO HAVE A SAY IN GOING TO THE EPA AND SEEKING THESE WAIVERS AND, PERHAPS, GETTING THEM GRANTED.

THAT'S A POWER THE GOVERNOR HOLDS GOING TO THE EPA AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN.

I REMEMBER ABOUT BRINGING ABOUT CLEAN ISSUES 12 YEARS AGO.

THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE IN THAT.

THEY CAN MAKE LAWS WITH CAR LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THEY WANT TO JOIN WITH THE GOVERNOR IN PETITIONING THE EPA.

NEWS FLASH, I DON'T THINK THE EPA WILL GRANT WAIVERS.

OUR AIR QUALITY IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE AND SOME OF THESE BLENDS WOULD NOT HELP THE SITUATION.

>> Ted: BOB, YOU CAN JOIN THE GOVERNOR IF YOU WANT, BUT IT'S EASY FOR THE EPA TO SAY NO REGARDLESS OF WHO'S ASKING THE QUESTION AND MAKING THE REQUEST, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS.

THE LEGISLATIVE LEADER PROVISION IS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T ASK THE EPA TO ISSUE A WAIVER.

SO YOU HAVE -- ARIZONA GETTED FUEL PRIMARILY FROM TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA AND IN THE WINTER MONTHS, FROM CALIFORNIA, WHICH USES ALMOST THE SAME BLEND IN THE WINTER.

IT LOWERS THE AMOUNT OF OZONE THAT GETS CREATED IN THE YEAR AND ALL OF THIS TECHNICAL STUFF.

CALIFORNIA HAD SOME REFINERY ISSUES AND THERE WAS A SUPPLY PROBLEM AND GAS IN ARIZONA WENT UP TWO DOLLARS A GALLON.

THE GOVERNOR DID NOT GO TO THE EPA SAYING YOU CAN YOU GIVE US A TEMPORARY WAIVER FOR 20% OF THE FUEL SUPPLY OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME GAS FROM TEXAS THAT DOESN'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS TO BE BROUGHT IN AND LOWER THE PRICES.

THIS IS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

IF TOO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BUY PEPSICOLA, IT GOES UP.

THE SAME WITH GASOLINE AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE RELYING ON A COUPLE OF SUPPLIERS, MAINLY CALIFORNIA IN THE WINTERTIME.

IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE A SIMPLE ANSWER BUT DOESN'T.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR CALLED AND SAID "HALF BAKED."

>> I THINK HE LIKES THE PHRASE "HALF BAKED."

THE WAIVERS ARE TEMPORARY AND HOBBS HAS ASKED TWICE AND HAS GOTTEN IT TWICE AND IT'S DONE.

>> THAT WAS BACK IN THE FALL.

>> IN SEPTEMBER.

AND IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT SHOULD WOULD WANT TO GIVE PETERSEN AND TOMA THEY'RE POWER WITHOUT HER AND THEY'RE REPUBLICANS AND SHE'S A DEMOCRAT AND EXPANDING THEIR POWER AND DILUTING HER OWN POWER ISN'T SOMETHING SHE WOULD ENJOY.

>> Ted: MARY JO, DARK MONEY AND TRANSPARENCY.

TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

>> THIS WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BY PRESIDENT PETERSEN AND TO MA AND AFTER A COURT REJECTED A CHALLENGE TO THE STOP DARK MONEY LAW, THEY CAME IN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, VOTERS APPROVED THE DARK MONEY LAW AND IT'S GONE TOO FAR, TOO MUCH MONEY TO THE CLEAN ELECTIONS AND THAT'S OUR JOB AS LAWMAKERS.

IT'S NOT THE COMMISSIONER'S JOB AND AROUND AND AROUND.

THAT'S THEIR CHALLENGE TO THE LAW.

JUDGE TIMOTHY RYAN SIDE I'LL GET THIS DONE BY SEPTEMBER 29th SEPTEMBER 29th BECAUSE 2024 IS COMING AT US HARD AND WE KNOW THIS WILL BE APPEALED NO MATTER WHICH WAY HE RULES.

>> Ted: OTHER SUITS TARGETING THIS?

>> FOR THE ARIZONA POLICY AND FREE ENTERPRISE LODGE, THEY LOST AND CAME BACK AND REFILED AND ANOTHER CHALLENGE IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH HASN'T MOVED YET.

>> Ted: PANEL, THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU FOR THE REGULAR JOURNALIST PREDICTION SHOW IN THE NEXT COLUMN OF WEEKS.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.