(soft upbeat music) - Coming up in the next hour of local news on Arizona PBS on Arizona Horizon, it's our annual Journalists Year in Review.

We'll take a look at some of the big stories of the year and how well our panelists predicted those stories, along with their predictions for 2022.

That's coming up on Arizona Horizon.

- [Narrator] This hour of local news is made possible by contributions from the friends of PBS, members of your PBS station.

Thank you.

- Good evening and welcome to our annual Arizona Horizon Journalists Year in Review, and prediction show, I'm Ted Simons.

Joining us tonight, Steve Goldstein of KJZZ Radio, Laurie Roberts of the Arizona Republic, and Howard Fischer of Capitol Media Services.

And before we look ahead to 2022, let's see how everyone did with their 2021 predictions.

Producer Steve Clawson has the recap.

- [Narrator] When our panel got together virtually for last year's show, the focus was on President Trump's administration ending, and President Elect Biden's beginning.

Will President Trump pardon himself before he leaves office?

- Wait, what makes you think he's leaving this year?

I mean, haven't you not been paying attention?

Here's the deal, I don't think he's going to pardon himself, because that to a certain extent requires an admission, that he did something wrong.

- I don't think he'll pardon himself because I don't think he can legally pardon himself.

- If he is able to pardon himself, he still won't because that would be an admission of guilt.

- Will President Trump attend the Biden inauguration?

- No, he's going to be at Mar-a-Lago with a bag of, actually more of like a tin, holiday tin of the different kinds of popcorn.

- No, I don't think that he will be there, I think that he will be planning his first campaign rally for 2024 (chuckle).

- Again, I think the problem becomes is that, it acknowledges that he lost and he's not used to being a loser.

- [Narrator] President Trump did not pardon himself, before leaving office or attend the inauguration.

Next, the focus turned to Biden's cabinet nominees, and if any would be rejected by the U.S. Senate.

- I think Xavier Becerra of health and human services could be in some trouble and that woman whose name escapes me from OMB that is coming from a liberal think tank -- - Neera Tanden?

- I think she could have some problems, yeah.

- Yeah, I was gonna go right there with Laurie as well, those were the two names that came to mind for me too.

- I think Biden is smart enough to count loses, he's been a senator for most of his life, and if in fact it looks like it's headed for rejection, I think he will withdraw them rather than pick a fight.

- [Narrator] Xavier Becerra was narrowly confirmed, well, the nomination of Neera Tanden was withdrawn, after Senator Joe Manchin announced he would not vote for her.

Next attention turned to a top legislative priority of President Biden.

- Will Congress and the new Biden administration, reach an agreement on a new infrastructure package?

- Not the first year, I think that they're gonna be spending a lot of time feeling each other out and deciding, what sort of relationship they want.

I think that perhaps for a future show, they will have one.

- Once the pandemic is quote, unquote solved, and we have everyone who wants to get vaccinated, we we'll see shovels in the dirt.

- [Laurie] I think absolutely yes, if they can figure out how to pay for it, which means absolutely no.

- [Narrator] Biden signed the infrastructure bill on November 15th.

- Who announces a run for governor next year?

- I'm gonna say Attorney General Brnovich, Treasurer Kimberly Yee, Karrin Taylor Robson, Matt Salmon, if he won't run, I'm thinking Steve Chucri or Kirk Adams, and maybe even Mayor Scott Smith, and of course, Demand Daniel, because nobody demanded him for the Senate.

He's hoping maybe they'll demand him for this (indistinct).

- [Ted] All right.

- You want the other side?

- [Ted] Sure, sure.

- Well, I'll cut it short and just go straight to Katie Hobbs and Greg Stanton.

- I like that list, particularly, you know, Hobbs and Stanton as on the Democrat side, I'm not sure some of those Republicans will get involved, I don't see Matt Salmon doing this again.

- I'm gonna go along with both of them on the Democratic side, Ted.

I'm gonna go with Brnovich, and Yee, and Demand Daniel, of course.

But, I also think that knowing that politicians or elected officials aren't always aware of their limitations, I'm also gonna throw in either or both Kellys, Kelli Ward and Kelly Townsend.

Someone from that wing is gonna run.

- [Narrator] Announced Republican candidates include Steve Gaynor, Kari Lake, Matt salmon, Karrin Taylor Robson, and Kimberly Yee.

On the Democratic side, Katie Hobbs, Marco Lopez, and Aaron Lieberman are all running.

- Who will announce a run for attorney general?

- On the Democratic side, I think it is a path that is somewhat clear, depending on who gets chosen for U.S. Attorney.

If Felecia Rotellini becomes U.S. Attorney, I think Roy Herrera runs for attorney general without question, I don't think Rotellini does if she doesn't get it.

So, that to me is the key Democrat.

On the Republican side, I was trying to run through a bunch of names and there are so many names we could think of, I'm trying to figure out if Mike Bailey decides to run as he leaves the U.S. Attorney's office, as he was certainly a close friend of Brnovich.

I'm gonna throw out a name that, I think none of us really believe, but is possibly, it's been in the business so long, I'm gonna throw out Joe Canfield.

- I was thinking on the Republican side that, we might end up even with Tom Liddy.

The other name of the Democrat side I hadn't heard, which may come up again is January Contreras.

- Well, I had on the Democratic side, Felecia Rotellini if she doesn't get that U.S. Attorney spot and if she does, maybe January Contreras.

On the Republican side, I'm just gonna throw these out there, one would be Phil Gates, and the other would be, because I know he wants to be a judge, but that's not in the cards in the near future (indistinct) Hawker - [Steve] Republican Attorney General candidates include, Rodney Glassman, Andrew Gould and Tiffany Shedd, Democratic candidates include Kris Mayes and Diego Rodriguez.

- What Republicans we'll announce challenge to Senator Mark Kelly?

- Well, I think we all want to say Doug Ducey, but I will not say Doug Ducey.

- Ted, I almost think that I'm very curious to see which of our members of Congress decide to do this, our incumbent members of Congress.

And I'm gonna say that David Schweikert is gonna decide he's gonna do that because we're gonna see redistricting.

So I'm gonna go with Schweikert for one, and I'll throw in Kirk Adams as well for that one.

- I don't see how you can forget the perennial Kelli Ward, I think that she will run from it, but I do not think that the mainstream portion of the party are gonna want to repeat what has happened in the last few years.

So I'm gonna throw out a name you probably haven't heard, General McGuire.

- I'm in agreement that you look to the congressional delegation.

I think that Andy Biggs would like to get into a chamber where he's actually in the majority for a change, maybe Gosar.

- [Narrator] Republicans running for the U.S. Senate, are Mark Brnovich, Jim Lamon, Blake Masters, and Michael McGuire.

From there was time to predict, how long the 2021 Arizona legislature would be in session.

- I think we're here well into June.

- I'm gonna start it, I'm gonna try June 11th.

- I'm gonna say May 25th.

- [Narrator] The Arizona legislature was in session for 171 days Adjourning Sine Die June 30th, from there our panel turned to sports predictions.

- [Ted] Well that Suns make the playoffs.

- Ah, I haven't believed that in years, you know, I just don't think that the team has it in it.

- This is the year that Howie's lack of sports knowledge actually hurts hurt him, (chuckle), because the Suns made an enormous trade, yes, yes, yes.

The Suns will make the blast finally this year.

- I think that they will make the playoffs.

- And what about the Diamondbacks Laurie?

- Not a chance in hell.

- Steve.

- Without the obscenity, I agree with Laurie, (chuckle), because this is (indistinct) TV.

- Howie, what do you think?

- Same thing.

- [Narrator] Not only did the Phoenix Suns make the playoffs, but they advance to the NBA finals where they lost to Milwaukee.

The Arizona Diamondbacks finished out of the playoffs with a record of 52 wins and 110 losses.

As we entered into the second year of the pandemic, the question on everyone's mind is when would it be over?

- Will life returned to normal by this time next year.

- [ Howard ] If in fact there are no adverse reactions to, the Pfizer, Moderna vaccines, if there's another vaccine, I think things will be pretty much back the way they were, in terms of restaurants will be open for normal hours, they'll be able to go to the gym.

- Normalcy is an interesting thing, because I do think we'll be back able to do the things we want to do without either feeling like, why isn't that person doing this or that.

But I do think we'll still see a lot of people wearing masks.

- No way will we be wearing mask, 'cause many of us aren't wearing them now.

Now I think it will be totally back to normal by fall.

- [Narrator] Well, things have approved, they still are not back to normal and mask wearing is encouraged.

Finally, our panel is always asked for a long shot, and a sure thing prediction.

- I think the the sure shot is that the legislature is gonna trim the powers of the governor in one of two ways, A, either they're going to end this emergency, and B, I think they're going to alter the laws that allow a governor to declare an emergency and keep it forever.

My mostly long shot is that the Greek call against the governor will get enough signatures, but even if it does, he will remain governor.

My other long shot is that fewer than 65% of Arizona's will end up getting the Coronavirus vaccine.

- I'll start with a sure thing, I think my sure thing will be that Kelly Townsend will run for Secretary of State.

She spent an awful lot of time lately talking about elections procedures and that like, and I think that she's laying claim to that position.

My long shot, let's go back to the governor's race here, I'm going to predict that there will be an independent in the race and his name is Michael Crow.

- For the sure thing when things are back to normal, whenever that is next year, Arizona is gonna have one of the top three economies in the country.

- [Ted] Whoo.

- And my long shot is that Joe Biden will appoint two Arizonans, two ambassadorships, Cindy McCain and Jeff Flake.

- [Narrator] And now it's time to find out, who did the best job of predicting 2021, Laurie Robert's finished in third place with five and a half points, Steve Goldstein finished with nine points as did defending champion, Howie Fisher for first place tie.

- So congratulations to Howie and Steve that ambassadorship, Steve, that was ... don't shake his hand, I don't encourage that.

- Oh, sure I'll show you the elbow.

- [Ted] But that was a really good prediction with the ambassadors.

- Yeah, (indistinct) actually came true.

- [Ted] You should've got some extra points, anyway, congratulations to you both, let's not hang around too long on that, because that's not what we do here either.

We've got to get now to our protections for 2022, and let's start with ... it's gonna be a big election year.

So Howie will start with you, the governor's race who wins the Republican nomination?

- I think Karrin Taylor Robson, I think that that Kari Lake will flame out somewhere in there, we've already seen some indications, where she stepped in it on this issue of cameras in the classroom.

The only thing that would keep Kari, that might make Kari stay in the race, and win it, is if all everyone else stays in, and then she climbers onto that Republican Trump majority.

- [Ted] What do you think Laurie?

- What he said, I think it will be Karrin Taylor Robson, she should portray herself as the adult in the room, as Matt Salmon and Kari Lake fight it out for right vote.

She's got the money, to get her messaging out when the time is right, and she's got the establishment behind her.

- [Ted] What do you think Steve, - [Steve] I think that's a great call, and I totally agree with it, and I'm kinda stand well with that, yeah.

- So the Republican, not all three sync, very interesting, all right?

Howie, Democratic nomination.

- Well, to speaking about flaming out, I think put a fork in Katie Hobbs, I don't think that the wounds will heal sufficiently, I think it's gonna keep coming up, there's gonna ... there's this notice of claim, which means a civil legal litigation against her.

The problem is that the other two candidates, neither of them have high name ID, if it's the only the other two, I'd say Marco Lopez.

Unless of course somebody feels that they feel a draft.

You know, whether it's Greg Stanton or someone else, but I say out of the current list, Marco Lopez.

- [Ted] What do you think Laurie?

- I think the Democrats are a little bit worried that they have a problem in Katie Hobbs, because the Talonya Adam's story is not going away, and her handling of it calls into question, just how she would handle being governor.

If she is wise enough to put the party first and step away, I'm gonna throw out a whole new name here, Paul Penzone.

- Paul Penzone, wow, all right, Steve.

- I'm going very conventional wisdom but not on this panel, and I'm gonna say that Katie Hobbs in part, because of the frauded, it is going to still pull out the nomination, because we're gonna really test, the power of Talonya Adams here and see, I'm gonna say she's gonna somehow make it through the storm.

- [Ted] Interesting.

Alright, Laurie, which candidate wins in November?

- [Laurie] Karrin Taylor Robson.

- Governor Robson, Howie Governor Robson for you as well.

- Ten-four.

- Wow!

- Let's make it unanimous, yeah.

- My goodness gracious, all right.

Looking forward to next year to see how that works, Senate race, Steve, we'll start with you on the Senate race who wins the Republican nomination?

- Well, I should logically say someone other than someone in the current field, I'm not gonna say that, I should also say, well, Mark Brnovich, but Donald Trump hates him, there are still enough activists in the party.

I'm gonna throw out the guy with the Silicon Valley money from Peter Thiel, who no one in Arizona knows Blake Masters.

- [Ted] Blake Masters, Howie, Republican nomination.

- Well, I think Brnovich is not going to make it partly 'cause he's not a good fundraiser, he never has been a good fundraiser.

I'm gonna go with Jim Lamon as being somebody who everyone else may coalesce around.

- Yeah, those are as yet not all that familiar names, Laurie Republican nomination for Senate.

- It's a tough one because it's sort of a weak field, I'm going to go with Brnovich simply because I think Lamon, Lamon however, he pronounces his name and Masters, will split that far right vote, and the establishment will get behind Brnovich.

- Okay, and as far as winning Mark Kelly, or your candidate who wins?

- I think whoever the Republican is gonna be allow a year for Democrats next year.

- So, okay, interest.

So Kelly, then in other words, Kelly loses?

- Kelly loses, yes.

- Steve, what do you think?

- I agree with Howie and his sentiment about the Democrats having a bad year.

I think Mark Kelly though, he is tied to Joe Biden, but not as much as many other people because enough people still see him as an astronaut, who can raise presidential levels of money.

I think he eats it out.

- [Ted] What do you think Laurie?

- [Laurie] Mark Kelly.

- Mark Kelly returns to the Senate, all right.

Howie were gonna start with you on this one, the Attorney General's race, Republican nomination.

- Well, again, talk about a broad field of people, that nobody knows anyone about.

I think the person who folks may end up coalescing around, is Rodney Glassman, who is curiously enough, was it started out as a Democrat.

I know there's a lot of people who have that feeling about really?

But you look at what else is out there, I don't see other folks doing that, there are a couple of new candidates in, I think they're gonna split it multiple ways.

I think Glassman has some establishment behind them, people like, like Karen Fann and Ben Toma, and I think that's gonna make a difference.

- Republican nomination, Laurie for Attorney General.

- I'm gonna go with Andrew Gould simply because, he's the only one I really know anything about other than Rodney Glassman, Rodney Glassman provokes a lot of people, in the node to do the eye roll, because he's a perennial candidate, (chuckle), but he is a hard worker.

So you may be right about that, but I'm gonna go with Andrew Gould.

- All right, Steve, you got a tiebreaker here, what do you think?

- No, Rodney Glassman is a new heaven became if he wins, which would be incredible to watch.

I'm gonna go with Tiffany Shedd, Ted, because when we saw her run for Congress, she's got the rural vote, she's very pro gun without coming across as an extremist, I think she takes this one.

- All right, and sticking with you, Steve, as far as which candidate win.

Oh no, did we go (indistinct) and Democrats, they're both Democrat?

- Well, I'm gonna go with Chris May, because even though she's sort of a pseudo Democrat, she's great speaker, very passionate, I think she would win.

- [Ted] Howie.

- I think May has got a real possibility of becoming the Democratic nominee.

- [Ted] Yeah, Laurie, what do you think?

- I think it will be May's as well, I think the abortion issue will help her very much, she has come out strong on that abortion is of course an emotional issue, but one that most people are pro choice in this State to some degree.

So I think it will be May's, in fact, I think if Mays wanted to move up to the governor's race, she might be one consider there too.

And of course, I just wanna get this in, there's always the possibility that Michael Crow, (laughing) could get it in as an independent.

- [Ted] You gonna use Michael Crow forever, who wins the general election.

- Michael Crow, no, Chris May.

- Chris Mays, Steve who wins a general election?

- The Democrats occasionally have good luck in AG, for Arizona for Chris Mays.

- Attorney General's race, Howie you gonna go again with the Republican here?

- I think it's gonna be better year for Republicans.

- [Ted] Rodney Glassman is the next Attorney General.

- Well, Whomever if it ends up being, whatever the Republican is you know, Chris is a nice lady, but I again, I further down the ticket you go, it's more party line.

- Secretary State, Laurie, a Republican nomination, what do you see?

- Well, this is probably goes against the grain a little bit because everybody's expecting it to be Mark Finchem, but I'm going to say, Senator Michelle Ugenti-Rita, she is strong on election reform, and that seems to be where we're headed to close off every avenue of voting that we possibly can for people.

I think it will be her, the base may not like her or at least the activists in the base, but I think she comes across with more polish, and I think that people will see through Mark Finchem very quickly.

- [Ted] What do you think Howie?

- I unfortunately believed that Mark Finchem, is gonna be the nominee.

I mean, you've got a field of right further right, and further, right.

You know, you've got Michelle Ugenti-Rita, you have Kelly Townsend, you have Shauna Bullock.

All of whom may split that Finchem is going to ride this out right through the 2022 campaign.

- [Ted] What do you think Steve?

- I'm gonna go with Shauna Bullock just because I feel like she is in that very right wing of the party, but doesn't come across as quite as wild as Mark Finchem, or as maybe all about herself as you Ugenti-Rita does.

- Sticking with you, Steve Democrat nominee, for the Democrats, what do you see?

- I'm gonna go with Adrian Fontes he makes a lot of noise, he's very comfortable, on the stump very comfortable raising money, thing (indistinct) a fine candidate, but I'm gonna go with Fontes.

- Alright, Laurie, what do you see on the Democratic side?

- I think it's gonna be Fontes as well for the fact that he's got some name ID.

- [Ted] Interesting Howie?

- And that's it, and as people start listening to Mark Finchem foam at the mouth, they're gonna go back to Fontes and they're gonna say you haven't proved anything against him.

So I say Fontes wins on the Democratic side.

- Are they gonna do that in the general?

- That's the one place that I think that maybe Finchem is just so far over the edge, all the Republicans so far over the edge, I think the Democrat could win.

- Interesting, so Adrian Fontes could win statewide in that Alliance.

- Yes.

- What do you think, Laurie, you agree with that?

- No, he did not, he lost his race for Maricopa county of the quarter, I think that if it's Ugenti-Rita, it will be Ugenti-Rita, if it is Mark Finchem, it will be Adrian Fontes.

- Interesting, what do you think?

- I like that logic - - You like that one?

- Yeah, because Fontes is an interesting guy, who's gonna come across badly to a lot of people, but better than Finchem.

- All right, Howie let's talk about the political breakdown of the Arizona State House and the Arizona State Senate.

What do you see starting next year?

- Well, again, with the idea that, you know that the Joe Biden still in their midterm elections, a redistricting commission, that seems to be slanting districts toward Republicans.

I think the house could end up as 34 Republicans versus the 31 now, I think the Senate could end up with 17 Republicans versus the 16 there now.

So I think the Democrats lose ground.

- Gains on both sides for Republican, Steve, do you agree with?

- I'm gonna go a little higher on the house side, I'm gonna go 35, 25.

And I agree with Howie on the Senate for 17, 13, for Republicans.

- All right, Laurie.

- I got 17, 13 for the Senate and I got 34, 20, Oh, would that be twenty ... - [Ted] Six.

- Six.

- [Ted] Yes.

- [Steve] Yeah.

- Redistricting is not the friend of the Democratic party right now.

And I think you're gonna see Republicans gaining the upper hand again in the legislature.

- And we should preface this question, and the next question as well with the fact that redistricting could change things, but Steve, as far as the congressional breakdown what do you see?

- Sure, seems like it's gonna end up, in Republican favor, and they were going to go from five to four, Democrat to six three Republican.

- [Ted] Six, three Republican.

Laurie you agree with that?

- Well, I had the same thing, I think for sure, five, four, possibly six, three, depending on how those redistricting maps - - [Ted] Yes.

- Line up.

It's gonna be a Republican year, and again redistricting.

- I think the six, three also, because we know that the kirkpatrick seat is up for grabs and the district is being crafted for Republicans, and then as we'll talk about later on in terms of a Democrat, who's possibly gonna lose his incumbency, that's O' Holleran given where the way the district is crafted.

- Let's go right there and incumbents losing seats, you see O'Halleran would be the only one.

- Yes, I think O'Halleran is the only one who loses a seat of those who actually decide to run again?

- [Ted] What do you think Steve?

- Actually losing, yes.

I'm still curious to watch Greg Stanton, but as far as actually losing O'Halleran yes.

- Yeah, and again, with the preface that we don't really know what that's, what these districts- - Right, I think O'Halleran loses, I still think Schweikert could be in some danger, if that district is as it was, you know, a couple of weeks ago when it was the most competitive district in the State, if it becomes more solidly Republican, then I think Schweikert will win.

And I actually think there will be one more, but I will save it.

- [Ted] Oh, it's gonna be you're the long shot, sure shot.

- Yeah.

- All right, very good.

Well, stick with you now ... - Somebody is gonna be rock out you know.

- Will Donald Trump announced that he is running for president in 2024, will he announced next year?

- No, but I think he will tease the heck out of it, I don't actually think that he- - [Ted] Oh, (indistinct) kind of a thing?

- Oh yeah, he's gonna always, I mean, every day you get things from him that says, "Oh, people are gonna be happy with what I decide."

Well, he's not going to decide that, but he wants to stay in the mix, I think he's probably you know, it's time has passed and people don't want to hear that, especially the right wing, but I think what would I call them normal Republicans, mainstream Republicans, establishment Republicans?

I think as 2022 gets here, 2020 is going to start quickly fading.

- Okay, Howie what do you think is- - I agree with Laurie, I think he likes being the king maker look at the number of endorsements that he's done of races, gubernatorial races, Senate races, house races.

I think he wants to be the godfather, if you will of the party.

- [Ted] What do you think Steve?

- He has nothing to gain by declaring this early, and his name recognition is off the charts anyway, so no.

- So no, okay.

Let's move on to sports questions, 'cause Howie you're always so good at these things,(laughs).

- What can I tell you?

- Suns (indistinct) make the playoffs last year, are they gonna make the playoffs of this year?

- Oh, God.

- Yes.

- [Ted] Just say yes.

- Sure.

- [Ted] okay.

- Why not?

- [Ted] What do you think Laurie?

- [Laurie] Absolutely, they're gonna make it.

- Finals?

- Yeah, I think they will make the final.

- Will they win the champion?

- I hope so, yes.

- Steve - - I say, yes.

- Playoffs, finals, championship.

- Yes, yes, no.

- No, again, left at the altar again.

All right.

Howie will we still be dealing with COVID at this time next year?

- Oh, I think COVID is permanent, it's endemic as the doctors like to say, we were up to the Omicron virus, I think we'll be somewhere around Pi Omega, whatever it is then we're gonna go into Hebrew letters, after we went out of Greek letters (laughs).

There are always gonna be variants, it's gonna be like the flu where basically get a new shot of here.

- [Ted] Steve.

- It will be affecting us absolutely, I'm with Howie I'm a little bit curious about the letter though.

I think we going Hebrew (indistinct).

- [Ted] Yeah, that's - - That's how it's biased, I think a little bit there.

- [Ted] Mass important to hear what do you think?

- I actually had it that we're going to have to revert to the COMAR alphabet because it has 74 letters in it.

So that we've got plenty of space for vaccination rate is such that this is with this (indistinct).

- [Ted] So yeah, more of the same next time.

All right, time for a long shot, sure shots.

All right, Howie I will start with you, long shot and sure shot.

- Okay, sure shot is there will be a lawsuit over redistricting, I think there've been enough decisions made enough public statements made about how they've crafted districts, that the Democrats are gonna be in there.

And that they're gonna find, take this to federal court.

My long shot is that Doug Ducey sometime before the end of the year, we'll either through an exploratory committee or through a hiring certain consultants, we'll, be in the hunt for presidency.

- [Ted] For presidency?

- For presidency now is he electable president?

Nah, but that hasn't kept any of these folks out.

- [Ted] Steve your long shot and sure shot prediction.

- Sure thing at least a couple of Arizona's who lose in 2022, it can be legislative, it can be congressional will end up in the Biden administration at some point, it's under secretary of something.

My long shot is that of the four owners of major sports teams in Arizona, two of them will either have different owners by the end of 2022, or at least in process where a sale is on the way.

- Wow!

That's rather bold.

- And maybe Robert Sarver.

- Or maybe Robert Sarver maybe.

- Maybe.

- Maybe, okay.

Laurie long shot, sure shot.

- My sure thing is that Kyrsten Sinema will expand her jewelry line to jackets in case of progressive's, didn't get the message this year.

She will continue to support the filibuster, and progressive Republicans will continue to think that, they can do a darn thing about it, which they can.

- Yeah.

- My long shot is that, in a particular congressional district, Democrats will stay home, a conservative latter day saint type of person will run as an independent, and Andy Biggs will be knocked off.

- [Ted] Whoa that's - - Or maybe Michael Crow.

- Well, with Michael Crow, I was gonna say, you didn't get Michael Crow.

Hey, real quickly, before we go there, also someone mentioned Sinema yay or nay.

Well, she changed parties next year?

- No, what's the upside, the Republicans don't trust her, she can at least get elected as- - Independent?

- Well, see I don't think she's, I don't think she's gonna change parties, I don't know that she's gonna get reelected either, but that's a whole another thing.

- Well, Laurie yay or nay.

- Yeah, she's gonna change parties, why would she?

- Quit the Democrats?

- No, she not gonna quit the Democrats, moderate Democrats, like her independence like her and frankly, a fair number of Republicans like her.

- She won't change political parties, but Laurie's comment about her jewelry is interesting.

So you might change the type of parties she goes to.

- Oh, Steve (indistinct) end it on something like that.

- [Steve] Yeah, so ... How we would have (chuckle).

- Thank you panel, great show, great job.

That's it for now, I'm Ted Simons, thank you for joining us on this special edition of Arizona Horizon, you have a great evening.

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