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PETER'S SQUARE BACK ON THE JOHN AHEAD DPS GETS AWAY WITH WARNINGS AFTER BEING STOPPED GOING THE 0 PILES AN HOUR.

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>> GOODS EVENING WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON JOURNAL A ROUN.

I AM TED SIMONS JOINING US TONIGHT ARIZONA REPUBLICAN REPORTER.

BEATRICE POLITI.

ROBYN OGUINE.

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NEW REPORT FIND NO EVIDENCE THAT MARICOPA COUNTY ST.

PETER'S SQUARE NEGLECTED HIS DUTIES AT LEAST UP TO A DISAPPOINT.

WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT SAY?

I AM GETTING CONFLICTING THING HERE.

>> SO THE REPORT FOUND LIKE YOU SAID NO EVIDENCE THAT HE THEY GETTED HIS DUTIES.

BUT IT DOES FIND I GUESS SOME PROBLEMATIC BEHAVIOR UNDER COUNTY POLICY.

THE FACT THAT HE WAS USING HIS OFFICE COMPUTER OR COUNTY COMPUTER I SHOULD SAY PHONE, ET CETERA, TO CONDUCT BUSINESS FOR HIS PRIVATE LAW FIRM.

GETTING ON ADOPTION SITES.

AND YOU TOO MEDICAID SITES THERE IS DIFFERENCE IN HOW DISBLIN WORKS FOR ELECTED SO HALLS VERSUS COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

THERE HEARING NEXT WEEK BOARD SUPERVISE TO FOR THEM DECIDES SORT OF WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

AND HOW BAD THEY CONSIDER THIS.

BUT IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECT THE WAY THAT THE OFFICE WAS RUNNING, THE REPORT SAYS THAT YOU KNOW EMPLOYEES FELT CONFIDENCE THAT EVERYBODY HAD GONE SMOOTHLY.

THAT WHATEVER HE WAS DOING.

IT WASN'T HAVING HUGE IMPACT ON DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.

>> ATTORNEY SAYS IT IS THIS PROVE THAT THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR THE COUNTY TO SUSPEND HIM FOR 120 DAYS.

ATTORNEY RIGHT?

>> LONGESTLY THINK TOOEFRN IS RIGHTS.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN THEY BROUGHT THESE CHARGES AGAINST HIM.

HE WAS IN POKE.

HE WAS NOT GOING TO BECOMING TO WORK FOR FOR SEE SOBL FUTURE.

HOWEVER HE IS OUT.

I MEAN I THINK WHOLE THING JUST RIDICULOUS.

AND, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE HEARING NEXT WEEK THEY ARE GOING DECIDE YES WE WILL RIGHT IN SUS SPENTING HIM.

HE GOING TO SAY NO YOU WHY WERE NOT GOING TAKE TO COURT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MUST TIP WILL 500 $ AN HOUR ATTORNEYS THIS WE ARE PAYING FOR.

FIGHTING THIS THING OUT.

AND NOT MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.

HIS SUSPENSION WILL BE OVER IN LATE FEBRUARY.

IT IS RIDICULOUS WE ARE EVEN DOING THIS.

REPORT HAD NO OPINION ON ABOUT REFUSING TO COOPERATE WITH THE INVESTIGATION.

AND NO REAL OPINION ALLEGED MISUSE OF COUNTY RESOURCE THAT IING THAT'S COUNTY'S JOB TO FIGURE OUT THE DISCIPLINE THERE.

IS COUNTY READY TO MEET OUT DISCIPLINE THIS SHOWS HOW TRICKY IT IS.

>> BECAUSE, I THINK, WE HEAR YOU KNOW SOMEONE ON JOB LIKE COUNTY SOROITY WE EXPECT THEM TO AT THE SOROITY'S OFFICE DOING SOME THING.

AND, WHAT THE INVESTIGATION FOUND IS, YOU KNOW, KIND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING.

HE SHOWS UP TO OFFICE.

COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK.

BUT EMPLOYEES SAID THAT, THEY YOU KNOW GENERALLY GOOD OPINION OF HIM.

AND IT IS FOUND THAT HE WAS PERHAPS, USING COUNTY TECHNOLOGY.

TO, CONDUCT HIS BUSINESS.

BUT THERE IS ALSO, NOTHING AGAINST COUNTY POLICY, OR IN COUNTY POLICY AGAINST HAVING SIDE BUSINESS.

ALL BE YOU DON'T USE PROBABLY RESOURCE INAPPROPRIATELY TO DO IT.

THIS KIND OF GETS THAT REAL BINDS SUPERVISOR ARE IN.

HE IS ELECTED OFFICIAL.

HOW EXACTLY DO YOU GO ABOUT AFFECTING WHAT HE DOES?

>> YOU KNOW, THE ATTORNEY ACTS LIKE THEY LOOK AT THIS.

HEY LOOK AT THIS.

I MEAN, IS IS IT HEY LOOK AT THIS?

>> WELL, I DO THINK IT OVERALL, IS POSITIVE FOR PETERSON FOR SURE.

GOING FORWARD.

BUT I WILL SAY I JUST GOING TO SAD TO ANDREW'S POINT I THINK ALSO SPEAKS TO WHAT WE TALK BEEN WEEKS AGO NOW THE QUESTION OF DO WE NEED COUNTY ASOROITY, IN YOU KNOW THERE NOT BIG IMPACT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THEIR FOR HANDFUL OF HOURS AT LEAST.

>> DO YOU NEED EYE LECTS COUNTY SOROITY.

YOU DO NOT YOU COULD SAME-STORE SALES ABOUT SUPERINTENDENT AND RECORDER AND NUMBER OF HAD OTHER POSITIONS.

SHOULD WE EVEN BE LEAKING THESE PEOPLE.

THIS REPORT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT IN CASE OF THE SOROITY'S OFFICE BASICALLY FIGURE HEAD.

PERSON LUNCHING IS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF.

THAT'S THE GUY WHO RUNNING THINGS AND THAT'S WHY THE OFFICE IS RUNNING FINE.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR ELECTED OWE SHALGS IN JAIL FOR MOMENT MONTHS.

AND THEN IT IS NO PROBLEM.

>> HE WAS MAKING SALARY, TOO.

77,000 A YEAR.

HE IS ON THE ELECTED OFFICIALS PENSION PLAN.

WHICH IS PRETTY CUSHY THING.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON HERE.

THE HEAD DPS FRANK, STOPPED WHILE OFFDUTY.

I-17.

WAS DRIVING 90 MILES AN HOUR ON I-17 ACCORDING TO TO THE OFFICER THAT STOPPED HIM.

WEAVING IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC NOT USING TURN SIGNALS.

SO HE GOT A TICKET.

RIGHT?

>> HE DID NOT GET A PARTICULAR INSTINET >> DID HE NOT?

>> HE GOT OFF WITH WARNINGS.

WHICH HE.

>> ACCORDING TO HIM ONE THIRD OF ALL TRAFFIC STOPS AND END WARNING.

>> POINT .

AND OF COURSE, THIS COMES AFTER WE SAW FORMER LAW MAKER PAUL MOSTLY, YOU KNOW BEING PULLED OVER OF COURSE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH HIM.

BACKING ABOUT HAVING GONE 140-PLUS MILES AN HOUR AND CLAIMING LEGISLATIVE IMMUNITY.

BUT YOU SAW VERY STRONG REACTION TO THIS EVEN FROM ELECTED OWE SHALGS.

WHERE AS IN THIS CASE, IT IS YOU KNOW HE ONE THE GOOD GUYS.

IT IS LEARN OPPORTUNITY.

AND HE PUT OUT AN APOLOGY SAYING DWAG REYESTERDAYABLE EXPERIENCE THAT HE WILL LEARN FROM.

>> YES.

AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE LORI YOU HAVE PIKE COUNTY DEPUTY.

HE MADE EVERYBODY KIND TO CASES PEOPLE.

SPEEDING DOWN CROWDED FREEWAY.

WE IN OUT AND GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR.

IF YOU ARE TELLING ME ONLY ONE THIRD OF PEOPLE STOPPED GETTING TICKETS I WOULD BE PRETTY SHOCK.

>> WE ARE SAYING 1-THIRD GET WARNING.

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS A MISS MISDEMEANOR UNDER STATED LAW.

>> YES.

EXACTLY.

SO I AM SURE RIGHT.

HELPFUL POINT FOR ALL OF YOUR VIEWERES, IF YOU HAVE HAD A POSITION OF SPEEDING DOWN THE FREEWAY AND GETTING PULLED OVER.

BY-LAW OFFICER DEPARTMENT PUBLIC SAFETY PATROLMAN, FRANK MILLSTEAD I HAVE QUOTE FROM YOU FROM THIS MORNING HE WAS ON KTAR INCHES BLANK HIS BEHAVIOUR.

AND THIS MIGHT COME IN CHANCE HANDY.

>> WE AREN'T HELPFUL HERE AN OH HOER.

THIS FROM FRANK HEAD OF DEPARTMENT.

WE AS LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE NOT IN TICKET BUSINESS.

WE ARE IN THE CHANGING DRIVER BEHAVIOR BUSINESS THEY CHANGE MY BEHAVIOR NEXT TIME YOU ARE RESPONDED, YOU CAN TELL THAT PATROLMEN HE NOT TICKET BUSINESS.

HE IS NO CHANGING DRIVER BEHAVIOR BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE REFORMED IN.

>> YES.

KEEP THAT IN CAR WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES.

IT ALREADY GOING IN MY WALLET.

ANDREW, AGAIN GOVERNOR'S RESPONSE.

IT IS ONE OF GOOD GUYS.

SOME TIMES GOOD GUYS DON'T DO SUCH GOOD THING.

HE KIND OF LIKE NOTHING MORE TO BE SEEN HERE REACTION.

PROBLEM THIS COMES AT TIME THINK WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE, SEE LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH SOME LEVEL OF MISS TRUST.

OR AT LEAST WEARY OF HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE ABLE TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.

AND THAT'S YOU KNOW ONE COULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

YOU HAD AN OFFICER WHO WASN'T DOYLING HOLD ANOTHER OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE.

SPEEDING IN CRIME OF CENTURY.

NO ONE WAS HURT FORTUNATELY.

RIGHT.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW, USE OF FORCE WHEN COMES TO HOW POLICE ARE ACTING AND LIFE AND DEATH SITUATIONS, I THINK THIS DOES NOT NECESSARILY ASAGE CONCERNS PEOPLE MAY HAVE ABOUT MUCH NECESSARY OF POLICE TO HOLD EACH OTHER UP TO SCRUTINY AND ONE.

>> RIGHT.

LEADERSHIP, MAINTAINING YOU HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNT ABLE IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE HEAD GUY THE HEAD TOP COP IN THE STATE, YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOURSELF TO LEVEL UP HERE.

WHEN THAT OFFICER WHAT DEPUTY CAME BACK WITH WARNING, HE SHOULD HAVE SAID, GIVE ME THE TICKET.

I DESERVE TICKET.

HE SHOULD DO THAT NOW.

THERE STILL TIME TO DO THAT.

I AGREE FRANK MILL PROBABLY REALLY GOOD GUY.

BAD DRIVER.

GOOD GUY.

BUT I THINK HE MADE BIG MISTAKE HERE.

BLY TRYING EXPLAIN IT AWAY.

AS ALMOST HE PEOPLE DON'T GET WE ARE IN THE TICKET BUSINESS.

YOU WOULD DRIVING, 92 MILES AN HOUR HOW NOW DOES ONE OF YOUR PATROLMEN STOP SOMEONE ON ROADS WITH STRAIGHT FACE AND ISSUE ON TICKET.

>> BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS.

AGAIN, WHETHER GOVERNOR RAGS ASKED TO COMPARE THIS TO REPRESENT I POSSIBLY.

AND THAT WHOLE SITUATION.

WHAT WAS -- WHAT DID HE SAY.

QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS IN SORT OF PRESS GAGGLE AFTER ANOTHER EVENTS, ON THURSDAY BUT IT WAS TOO ANDREW POINT WHERE GOVERNOR WAS ASKED AFTER YOU KNOW THE REPORTER, MENTIONED THE PAUL MOSTLY INDICATES, DID FRANK MILL STEAL DEED.

HIS.

>> SO TO SPEAK.

THIS CASE, AND, GOVERNOR, AS HE LIKESES TO DO SIDE STEPPED THAT QUESTION TO REPEAT I EXPECTATIONS ALL OF MY AGENCY HEADS ALL MY STAFF FOLLOW THE LAW.

>> AND WHICH HE DID SAY.

YOU KNOW AFTER PAUL MOSTLY GOT PULLED OVER.

HOWEVER IN CASE THERE WAS LOT OF AS WE SAID, FRANK MILL IS GOOD GUY.

EVEN GOOD GUYS MAKES MISTAKES.

MY FAVORITES WHICH I BELIEVE WAS LESS THOSE SPEEDING CAST FIRST STONE.

SO, THERE DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE GOVERNOR IN THIS CASE.

>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER THOUGH HE HAD IF HE WANTED TEACHABLE MOMENT AT THE TIME.

THIS HAPPENED MORE THAN TWO MONTH AGO AND THINK IT ONLY CAME TO LIGHT BECAUSE ARIZONA FAMILY THE TELEVISION STATION GOT THE VIDEO STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

KIND OF WONDERING.

ORIGINAL STORY WAS THAT HE BROUGHT THIS VIDEO OUT HIMSELF.

AND OBVIOUS QUESTION WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

MAYBE TO GET AHEAD OF THE STORY KNOWING IT WAS GOING TO COME OUT.

ALL RIGHT.

LEWIS PRESSON, BACK IN NEWS IN SENSE THEY ARE BEING WHISTLEBLOWER WHO WANT TO TAKE US.

ASSISTANT DEPUTFY DEWARDEN SAYS THAT THE THINGS LOCKS SUPPOSED TO BE FIXED THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE GETTING FIXED ANDREW, THEY ARE NOT GETTING FIXED.

THAT'SRY.

AND ASSISTANT DEPUTY WARDEN AT LEWIS PRESSON SAID THIS WEEK THAT WAY DESCRIBED WAS PLOY PLEAS WITH QUOTE, THEY TOY WITH BROKEN LOCKS.

THEN DESIGNATE THEM AS REPAIRED.

AND HE SAID GOVERNMENT GETTING BAD INFORMATION HE HASN'T BEEN GETTING WHOLE STORY.

ABOUT THE FIXES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING.

AND I THINK REALLY REMARKABLE THING IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHAT THREE MONTH AGO.

THE TALKING ABOUT THING FOREVER.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOREVER BUT THREE MONTH AGO WE HAD YOU KNOW TWO STATE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE OR TWO FORMER JUSTICE COME OUT WITH RECORD UNDERSCORING REAL URGENCY OF MAKING THESE REPAIRS HAPPEN QUICKLY.

AND, WE HAVING SAME CONVERSATION AGAIN, ABOUT THE GOVERNOR PROGRAMS BEING OUT OF THE LOOP OR THESE THINGS HAPPENING SLOWLY.

NOT HAPPENING EFFECT LIVE IN THE SO MUCH GOVERNOR BEING OUT OF LOOP BUT WHISTLEBLOWER SUGGEST CORRECTION.

TELLING THESE.

HE SAYING, THEY ARE NOT FIXED.

>> WELL, RIGHT.

OR I DON'T IF QUESTION OF OUT OF THE LOOP OR INACTION.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW JUST BASED POINT WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINTS AND STATEMENTS HE HAS MADE HE SAID YOU KNOW I AM DOING THIS BECAUSE I AM GOING UP CHAIN AND HAS NOT BEEN FIXED.

I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED CHAIN GONE ALL OF THE WAY TO NEW DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION.

>> HE SAID WHISTLEBLOWER SAID IT HAS.

>> WE ARE REQUESTING RECORDS.

>> THAT WOULD BE DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK HIS NAME IS.

DIRECTOR CHIN HE COMING HERE BECAUSE THIS INTERESTED HIM.

NEEDS TO DO AN IMMEDIATE HOUSE CLEANING THIS.

THERE GET BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED.

NOW.

AND, TAKE CARE OF IT.

IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

THAT YOU HAVE INMATES, ROAMING AROUND IN HALLWAY.

WHO DECIDES THAT FLUFF THIS OFF.

I MEAN DOES NO PURPOSE FOR ANY ONE, IN THE CORRECTIONS BUSINESS TO, HAVE LOCKS ON CELL DOORS THAT DON'T WORK.

>> NO IT IS MINDS BOOING WILLING THIS CONTINUING TO HAPPEN.

AND I FACT OF THAT WE HAVE A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL GUY ON ASSESS EIGHT WARD BLOWING THE WHISTLE.

THAT'S TELLS ME THASHTHS WARD, CERTAINLY NOT LISTENING AND NO FACT.

THEN YOU NO GOING UP TO THE DEPARTMENT CORRECTION.

I WOULD SAY THAT DIRECTOR SHIN SHOULD BE TODAY.

AT THAT LEWIS PRISON.

>> WHICH HIS BROOM.

AND FIXING THINGS UP.

>> OR LEAST RATTLING SOME CELL DOORS.

YOU HAVE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE SAYING WE ARE STUDYING ISSUE.

WELL, YOU KNOW EITHER TRUE OR IT IS NOT IT SHOULD NO BE THAT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT.

DOVE GO RESPONDS BY SAYING THAT HE THINKS THAT EVERYTHING HE LIKES HIS NEW CORRECTIONS DIRECTOR.

>> HE SAID I TRUNLTS INFORMATION HE IS GETTING HE SAID THAT YESTERDAY AND THEN TODAY, AGAIN HE BASICALLY DISPUTED, ALLEGATION AND WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT EVEN THOUGH HIS OFFICE HAS SAID STILL UNDER REVIEW.

>> AGAIN IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT.

ALL YOU GOT TO DO GO OUT THERE AND CHECK THE LOCKS.

WELL MIDDLE GROUNDS PRISON REFORM WHICH FAIRLY PROMINENT PRISON REFORM ORGANIZATION, HAS ASKED THE GOVERNOR THEY PUT OUT LETTER THIS WEEK ASK ALSO PARTICIPATED IN PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE WHISTLEBLOWER, ASKING THE GOVERNOR TO TAKE TANGIBLE ACTION IN FORM OF CREATING POSITION THAT'S DEDICATED TO GETTING THIS DONE.

SOMEBODY WHO SOLD JOB AND REPORTS DIRECTLY TO GOVERNOR WHO SOLE JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE WORK ORDER, SAYING THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN ABOUT REPAIRED SOMEONE CHECKING THAT DOOR.

AND CONFIRMING THAT IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED.

AND, MONITORING THE PROGRESS.

BECAUSE, YES IT IS UNSAFE FOR INMATES AND CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS.

CEREMONY IS THERE.

IT IS LEGISLATURE HAS APPROPRIATED THE MONEY TO FIX THESE DOORS.

>> NOT ALL OF THE WAY BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY TO GET IT STARTED.

17 MILLION >> TO GET PROCESS STARTED.

WE GOT TO MOVE ON NEXT WEEK OUR REGULATOR.

CORPORATIONS COMMISSION.

AT THE HAVE THE DO YOU CEO OF AP SI.

TO APPEAR.

TO EXPLAIN WERE SO MANY PEOPLE WERE TOLD TO TAKE ON RATE PLAN.

THAT WAS MORE EX-SPEND I FOR THEM.

>> YES IN TO REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING TO SAY STAND WHY.

AP PROBLEM FOR A WHILE.

THAT THEY RAISED THEIR RAYS HE CREATE RATES THAT WERE SOLE, COMPLEX.

NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO, LOT OF PEOPLE WILL EITHER CALL APS TO SAY WHICH RATES SHOULD BE ON OR GO TO THE LONE OR RATE COMPARISON TOOL ON THEIR WEB SITE AND FIND OUT, THAT THEY ARE BEING STEERED TOWARDS RATED THAT'S ON A MORE EXPENSIVE.

APS LAST KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD LIKE SUGGEST THEY HAVE NOT BUT WHISTLEBLOWER, FINALLY BROUGHT IT OUT.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS ANYTHING NOT WORKING.

TURNS OUT THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN APS RATE PAYER HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SINCE JUNE OUR REPORTER, COULD FIND.

AND, OF COURSE, NOT UNTIL IT BECAME PUBLIC DOES APS SAYS, NO WE ARE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> WELL IT IS CORPORATIONS GOING TO COMMISSION GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

WE GOT COUPLE COMMISSION SAY.

>> THEY DO THAT ALL OF THE TIME.

THEY LIKE TO TALK TOUGH BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE REALLY BEGINNING TO ACT LIKE REGULATORS WHEN THEY START START.

AND, NOT COW TOYING TO EVERYTHING THAT AP SI SAYS.

>> AND ANDREW BOYD DUNN SAYS SANCTIONED.

>> ON WAY.

WE INTEN, I THINK GOES BACK TO WHAT LORI TALKING ABOUT.

THERE IS IT ALWAYS KIND OF THE PLAY, SABRE RATTLING I GUESS ON PIRT PAF COMMISSION THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO WELL, FOR ONE THINGS LOOK DEEPER INTO THIS.

AND, COME TO UNDERSTANDING OF FULL SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.

AND, THEN, TO YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS CONSIDERATION WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT RAISING RATES IN FUTURE.

OR CHANGE OFFING RATES.

>> IF YOU WANT FINE THEM THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND EVEN THOUGH YOU HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD FINE THEM.

LAST YEAR, ON AWED DID ORDER BY THE STATE, FOUND THAT APS WAS COLLECTING $28 MILLION MORE FROM ITS CUSTOMER AND THEY WERE AUTHORIZED TO COLLECT LAST YEAR.

SO I THINK FINE OF 28 MILLION, SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

>> AND INDEPENDENCE INVESTIGATION SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT, TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER.

JUSTIN WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT RELATIONSHIP RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND APS?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF LORI CAN EXPRESS MORE OPINIONS 3 OF 5.

-- THEY ARE THREE OF FEWER KOIF AMMING HERE.

THAT'S WHAT SAYS.

>> BUT SO WHAT MORE YELLING SOME BE SCREAMING.

OR SOMETHING ACTUALLY GETTING DONE.

>> ENOUGH GETTING DONE TO WHERE, PEOPLE THEY WANT TO ELECTED WILL BE LIKED.

MINE VOTEDERS LAST YEAR WERE SMART ENOUGH TO START MAKING SOME CHANGES.

NOW WE WILL SEE IN 2020 WHETHER THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH TO CONTINUE THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED PANEL FULL ANTI-APS PEOPLE AT ALL.

I THINK WE NEED PANEL OF INDEPENDENT PEOPLE WHO WILL CONSIDER WHO THEY ARE WORKING FOR.

>> I AM HE IS NO WHICH BIG QUESTION HERE.

IF INDEPENDENCE INVESTIGATE WERE INDEED CON DUBLGDZ AND, DPOUNDZ MISSES CONDUCT OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CULTURE IT THEY CAN ISSUE CERTAIN ORDERS.

BUT I BELIEVE EARLIER THIS YEAR THEY ISSUED AN ORDER FOR AP SI TO YOU KNOW, OUTLINE TO CONSUMERS AS TO CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW HUTCH THEY COULD BE SAVING.

AND THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

SO, YOU KNOW THE WEIGHT OF EVEN MAKING AN ORDER AND, THEABLE TO ENFORCE AN ORDER I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE.

I WANT TO GET PLEDGE.

WHO WAS REPRESENTATIVE JOHN FILLMORE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HIM?

>> HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FROM APACHE YOUNG HAS HAD BEEN TOLL TO HIM THAT, WHOLESALE NUMBERS STUDENTS ARE NOTHING SAY PLEDGE.

OR SO SO BELIEVES.

OH, HE HAS INTRODUCED A BILL FOR THE UPCOMING SESSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE STUDENTS TO STANDS AND SAY THE PLEDGE UNLESS THEY CAN GET PAIR RENTAL PERMISSION OPT OUT.

>> AND ANDREW, I AM NOT MUCH HISTORIAN HERE BUT I AM PRETTY SURE IF SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ABOUT THIS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

I CAN EXPECT THAT THERE BE SOME FIGHTS OVER THERE TOO IF EVER EVEN GETS AS FAR AS GOVERNOR'S DESK.

GETS SIGNATURE.

ACLU LAST SAID, THEY THINK THIS IS PLAINLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL OBVIOUSLY IDEA COMPELLED SPEECH FORCING PEOPLE TO SAY THINGS IS PRETTY FROWNED ABOUT UPON.

IN OUR LAWS CURRENTLY SO THINK KIND PRETTY STEEP ROAD EVEN IF WERE TO GET THAT FAR.

>> IT IS INTERESTING, THOUGH.

I DON'T DISAGREE BUT THIS HAS BEEN YOU KNOW WE NOT FIRST STATE TO SEE THIS.

BECAUSE, ABSOLUTELY, IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED YOU KNOW BY THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE COUNTRY THAT YOU CAN'T FORCE STUDENTS SAY THE PLEDGE.

YOU CAN'T FORCE HOME IS AN ABSOLUTE THE FLAG.

BUT THE QUESTION OF IS REQUIRING PERMISSION TO OPT OUT SAME AS FORCE?

IS IT IS SOMETHING THAT COURT HAVE DISAGREED ON.

AND I KNOW THIS COMING UP FLORIDA AND PENNSYLVANIA.

APPEALS DMOERTS THOSE TWO DAYS.

CAME TO BE OPPOSITE CONCLUSION.

>> OH INTERESTING.

SO, IT DEFINITELY RAISES SOME QUESTIONS WHEN YOU GET TO IMPLEMENTATION IF IN DOES'S VANS.

GOVERNOR WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS HE SAID HE THOUGHT IT ALREADY WAS REQUIRED.

>> YES.

>> HE DID.

HE SAID AND HE MADE A POINT I WANT TO SAY I WAS NOT AWARE THAT IT WAS NOT ALREADY REQUIRED.

TO BE SAID.

IT IS SCHOOLS ARE REQUIRED TO SET ASIDE TIME EVERY SINGLE DAY.

FOR STUDENTS WHO WISH TO RECITE THE PLEDGE.

IT IS NOT RIERNLT THAT EVERY ONE STANDS UP AND DO IT.

BUT I YOU KNOW I WAS UNAWARE THERE WAS THIS BIG PROBLEM.

BEFORE REPRESENTATIVE FILLMORE'S BILL.

YOU KNOW KIDS LOVE TO DO THINGS YOU TELL THEM THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO.

I AM SURE THIS WILL HELP.

>> YES.

I MEAN, WHAT GOOD PLEDGE THAT YOU ARE FORCED TO SAY.

IT IS DINE.

IS THAT CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE REPORTER GOVERNOR ACTUALLY BECAUSE HE SAID REPEATED WHEN ASKED ABOUT BILL I THINK IT IS GOOD DIE.

I THINK IT IS GOOD IDEA FOR KIDS SPECIAL HERE GRADE SCHOOL SAYING PLEDGE.

AND EVERY DAY.

AND WHEN, REPORTERS YOU KNOW PRESSED HIM ON WELL, WHAT IF KIDS AREN'T YOU KNOW HEARTS ARE AREN'T IN WHAT IT IS FORCE WILL THEM SAILING SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN.

HE SAID, YOU SHOULD OF COURSE BE ABLE TO OPT THIS MAYOR TALKING.

>> WE GOT TO OPT RIGHT HERE.

BECAUSE WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

GOOD DISCUSSION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

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