
October 15, 2021 Edition
Season 29 Episode 41 | 27m 31sVideo has Closed Captions
Local journalists and political leaders discuss top Colorado politics headlines.
Patty Calhoun, David Kopel, Penfield Tate III and Bente Birkeland discuss upcoming Colorado ballot measures, the Mesa County voting debacle, campaign funding and more.
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October 15, 2021 Edition
Season 29 Episode 41 | 27m 31sVideo has Closed Captions
Patty Calhoun, David Kopel, Penfield Tate III and Bente Birkeland discuss upcoming Colorado ballot measures, the Mesa County voting debacle, campaign funding and more.
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WELCOME TO OCTOBER 15TH, 2021, EDITION OF COLORADO INSIDE OUT.
I'M YOUR HOST DOMINIC DEZZUTTI.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
I WANT TO THANK PATTY CALHOUN FOR SITTING IN FOR ME LAST WEEK.
I HOPE THE PANEL ENJOYED ALL OF THE SHORT CONCISE QUESTIONS.
PATTY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MY PLEASURE.
NEXT TIME I'M BRINGING IN AN HOURGLASS.
>> LET'S GET TO OUR FIRST TOPIC.
BALLOTS WERE SENT OUT TO MOST COLORADOANS THIS WEEK WITH VARIOUS MUNICIPAL ISSUES ON THE BALLOT WITH A HANDFUL OF STATEWIDE BALLOT ISSUES.
CAMPAIGNS ARE BEGINNING TO HIT THE AIRWAVES, BUT THE ELECTION SEASON REMAINS FAIRLY QUIET.
DENVER VOTERS WILL HAVE ONE OF THE LARGER BALLOTS TO CONSIDER IN THE STATE.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE BIG RACES ACROSS THE STATE AND THE METRO AREA.
PATTY CALHOUN WE WILL START WITH YOU.
AS A DENVER VOTER YOU WILL BE SPENDING MORE THAN I WILL.
WHAT IS STICKING OUT TO YOU THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD A WHOLE LOT ABOUT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A SLEEPY CAMPAIGN?
>> WE HAVE SEEN FEDERICO PENA.
A LITTLE MORE PROBLEMATIC THAN THEY THINK.
ADDING MORE TAXES THAT WOULD GO TO SOME AFTERSCHOOL ADDITIONAL CARE EDUCATIONAL WORK FOR KIDS.
IT IS INTERESTING HOW PEOPLE ARE LOOKING POT AS A CASH.
RAISE THE TAXES ON MARIJUANA IN ORDER TO RESEARCH THE PANDEMIC WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE CITY OF DENVER'S JOB.
YOU MAY BE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE OBEY GUIDELINES.
I'M NOT SURE RESEARCHING THE PANDEMIC IS THE WAY TO GO.
THAT IS ONLY ONE OF THE ONES IN DENVER THAT WILL KEEP PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE BALLOT.
THERE ARE 13 MEASURES.
THEY ARE CONFUSING PARK HILL MEASURES.
THE ORIGINAL THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO THE VOTE.
AND THEN THE FLIP ONE WHICH BASICALLY TAKES ALL THE SAME LANGUAGE BUT IS VERY CONFUSES THE ISSUE A LOT.
THE ARENA ISSUE WHICH IS 2E WHICH WAS PULLED OUT FROM THIS BOND ISSUE.
THERE ARE FOUR BOND ISSUES THAT WILL GO THROUGH FOR PARKS AND LIBRARIES.
KIND OF WONDER WHAT WE VOTED FOR IN 2015 THAT WE NOW NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER BOND MEASURE FOR THAT.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF REASONS.
PEOPLE WILL BE SITTING LOOKING OVER THAT BALLOT.
THE GROUP HOME ISSUE IS ANOTHER BIG ONE IN DENVER THAT IS TRYING TO REPEAL WORK THAT WAS DONE FOR THREE YEARS THAT WAS LET MORE THAN TWO UNRELATED ADULT LIVE IN A HOME.
RIGHT NOW WITH THE RENTS THE WE THEY ARE IS A SMART MOVE.
MAYBE MODERN.
>> MODERN INDEED.
I FEEL GLAD THE DENVER VOTERS HAVE A MAIL BALLOT TO MAKE THE DECISIONS.
DAVID KOPEL INDEPENDENCE INSTITUTE.
STATEWIDE THERE IS THREE ISSUES.
HOW ARE THEY?
ARE THEY GETTING ENOUGH ATTENTION?
>> LET'S POINT OUT ONE OF THE DENVER ISSUES.
THE PROPONENTS OF KEEPING THE PARK HILL GULF COURSE HAS REALLY GOOD YARD SIGNS.
THEY HAVE GREEN SQUARE THAT SAYS 301 IN IT.
GREEN IS THE COLOR YOU LIKE TO KEEP PARK HILL IF YOU WANT CONSTRUCTION ZONES THEY HAVE 302 IS THE ORANGE ONE TO GET RID OF THE GREEN AND REPLACE WITH CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO DEPENDING WHETHER YOU WANT PARK HILL GOLF COURSE A PUBLIC COURSE FOR THE PEOPLE.
THE STATEWIDE OF THE THREE ISSUES THE ONE I THINK IS DECEPTIVE AS PATTY WAS TALKING ABOUT IS 119 IS RAISED MARIJUANA TAXES.
THEY DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE FOR THAT CONCEPT.
YOU GET $100 MILLION FUND.
ALL THE MONEY GETS CONTROLLED BY THIS SEVEN-PERSON BOARD.
FOREVER IT IS A SELF-PERP PET WAITING BOARD.
IT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE DEMOCRACY AND REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
I WOULD SUGGEST PEOPLE REJECT THIS ONE AND VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK LATER WHERE THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS UNDER CONTROL OF THE TAXPAYER REPRESENTATIVES.
>> PEN, A LOT OF ISSUES.
A LOT OF ISSUES OVERALL THE ENTIRE AREA.
WHAT STICKS OUT TO YOU KNOWING FULL DISCLOSURES?
THE ONES THAT YOU ARE NOT WORKING ON WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU?
>> I WOULD SUBMIT TO THE DENVER VOTERS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ON THE BALLOT IS THE ONE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE DPS ELECTION.
THAT IS THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION WE HAVE IN OUR SOCIETY IS EDUCATING, TRAINING, AND PREPARING OUR KIDS.
THE ONLY TIME WE SEE SOMETHING ABOUT DPS IN THE NEWS IT IS USUALLY BAD AND AWFUL AND WE ARE SHAKING OUR HEADS.
THE COMPOSITION OF THE DPS BOARD IS OPEN.
YOU WON'T SEE ANY TV ADS.
THE MOST YOU WILL SEE IS LITERATURE IN THE MAIL AND THERE IS CONTEST IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU ARE PROCHARTER, ANTITEACHER'S UNION.
READ THE MATERIAL, FIGURE IT OUT.
SOME OF THE BALLOT MEASURES, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THE INITIATIVES THAT RAISE THE TAXES ON MARIJUANA WANT TO FUND.
I WOULD JUST OFFER THIS CAUTIONARY TAIL AND BEING OF THE JBC.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONSEQUENCES OF SOME OF THESE MEASURES.
IF YOU INCREASE THE TAXES ON SOMETHING LIKE MARIJUANA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME WE WORKED AS A SOCIETY CHANGE SENTENCING LAWS AND DO A HOST OF THINGS TO REDUCE PRISON POPULATION.
IF YOU MAKE THE PRICE TOO HIGH, YOU MAY INADVERTENTLY CREATE A GREATER INCENTIVE AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO OFFER ON THAT.
ON THE DENVER BALLOT MEASURES, THIS WHOLE ARENA THING HAS EVERYBODY GOING CRAZY.
EVERYWHERE I GO DIDN'T PEOPLE PAY FOR THE ARENA IS SAY YES, SORT OF NO.
I THINK IT IS NO ACCIDENT THAT CITY COUNCIL PULLED THAT ONE OUT OF THE PACKET.
IT IS NOT INCONCEIVABLE.
>> BENT BERKLAND A WONDERFUL CONTRIBUTOR FROM PURPLISH.
JUST KIND OF THE POLITICS IN GENERAL.
WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT?
>> I THINK WE HAVE INTERESTING BALLOT MEASURES.
WE HAVE THE THREE MEASURES THAT WOULD INCREASE SALES TAX FOR RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA.
THERE ARE TWO OTHER INITIATIVES.
THE STATE LEGISLATURE AUTHORITY FOR SPENDING THE MONEY.
THIS IS ONE TIME MONEY THAT COMES IN.
WHAT WILL THAT MONEY HOW THE GOVERNOR DECIDED TO SPEND.
THIS INITIATIVE WILL MAKE STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
MAY NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH FLEXIBLE THE LEGISLATURE NEEDS TO ACT.
AND ANOTHER PROPOSAL WOULD REDUCE THE TAXPAYER RATE BY 9% FOR MOST PROPERTIES.
THAT ONE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKY IF THAT DOES PASS.
LIMIT THE SCOPE OF THAT PROPOSALS IF VOTERS DO APPROVE IT.
>>> MESA COUNTY DISTRICT COURT JUDGE RULED THIS WEEK THAT MESA COUNTY CLERK AND RECORDER TINA PETERS CANNOT OVERSEE THIS NOVEMBER'S ELECTION, UPHOLDING A DECISION FROM SECRETARY OF STATE JENA GRISWOLD.
MESA COUNTY HAS HIRED FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE WAYNE WILLIAMS TO OVERSEE THE UPCOMING ELECTION.
MEANWHILE, PETERS SAID THAT SHE PLANS TO APPEAL THE DECISION AND CALLED THE SITUATION AND ABUSE OF OFFICE AND AN OVERREACH BY GRISWOLD.
DAVID, MESA COUNTY HAS BEEN DRAMA FOR A WHILE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF PETERS COMMENTS?
>> LET'S REMEMBER THIS IS NOT JUST THE CASE OF DEMOCRATIC SECRETARY OF STATE GRISWOLD.
OTHER INTERVENERS IN THE CASE ARE THE MESA COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE REPUBLICANS.
ON THIS ISSUE, THEY ARE IN THE SAME SIDE AS GRISWOLD THAT PETERS HAS TO BE -- SHOULD NO LONGER AND IS NOT THE CHIEF DESIGNATED ELECTION OFFICER IN MESA COUNTY FOR THE 2021 ELECTION.
IT SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS A PARTISAN THING.
I THINK JUDGE ROBINSON'S DECISION WAS PROBABLY CORRECT AS A MATTER OF LAW.
THIS WILL BE QUICKLY APPEALED TO THE COLORADO COURT OF APPEALS.
THE OPINION IS QUITE WEAK IN GETTING WHAT I THINK IS A CORRECT RESULT.
A LOT IS COPYING FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BRIEF.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?
WHAT IS WRONG YOU ARE SUPPOSED AS A JUDGE IN YOUR OPINION DISCUSS THE BEST ARGUMENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND WHY YOU DIDN'T FIND THEM PERSUASIVE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTENTIONS AND ARGUMENTS OF PETERS BECAUSE SHE IS A LIAR.
WERE UNTRUTHFUL THE JUDGES WORDS.
BUT EVEN A PARTY WHO LIES IS ENTITLED TO HAVE THE JUDGE EXPLAIN.
AND JUDGE ROBINSON WAS TOO TIMID OR WHATEVER TO TRY TO DO THAT.
>> PEN, THERE IS A LOT OF LEGAL SIDE OF THIS.
THERE IS INCREASED POLITICALIZATION.
BUT POLITICALIZING RECORDERS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING.
I WONDER IF YOU THINK PETERS IS GOING TO BE AN ANOMALY OR BE A TREND?
>> I THINK SHE IS GOING TO BE AN ANOMALY.
AGREED WITH THE SECRETARY IN TERMS OF PURSUING THE CASE.
I THINK THE JUDGE'S DECISION IS CORRECT AND THE RIGHT RESULT.
I AGREE WITH DAVID'S POINT ALSO.
SOMETIMES, RATHER THAN SAY SOMEONE IS JUST WRONG -- IT HELPS THE JUDGE ARCTIC LATE WHY THEY ARE WRONG BECAUSE IT SETS UP CLEARLY FOR THE COURT OF APPEALS AND FORCES SOMEONE LIKE PETERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY DO I WANT TO APPEAL THIS?
AT THE END OF THE DAY, SHE BROUGHT THIS ON HERSELF.
CLEARLY HER CONDUCT WAS BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF PROPRETTITY.
THIS IS ALL OF HER OWN MAKING.
I THINK IT IS UNIQUE TO HER AND HER PERSONALITY AND HER POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE.
IT IS NO COINCIDENCE ENGAGED IN IN ANY BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS.
I THINK SHE IS AN ANOMALY.
>> DO YOU THINK THE DRAMA ALMOST BEGIN TO SUBSIDE IN MESA COUNTY?
>> THERE IS STILL A LOT MORE THAT WILL UNFOLD POTENTIALLY.
THEY ARE INVESTIGATING PETERS AND OTHER PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SECURITY BREACH.
IF YOU REMEMBER PETERS SAID SHE INVITED WHAT SHE REFERS TO AS AN CONSULTANT.
DURING THIS ANNUAL UPGRADE.
SHE DID NOT TRUST WITH THE UPDATES.
DIDN'T WANT DATA TO GET DESTROYED.
THAT WILL BE THE BASIS OF HER APPEAL.
IN COLORADO AND OTHER STATES HAVE FOUND NO DISCREPANCY.
FROM SOME OF THE ELECTION EXPERTS THEY DO SEE THIS POTENTIALLY A TREND.
MORE COUNTY CLERKS WILL BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND GETTING ELECTED IN 2022 WHO FEEL THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN AND WANT TO TRY TO PROVE THAT THROUGH SOME OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS WHICH EXPERTS WILL CALL AN INSIDER SECURITY THREAT.
I HAVE LEARNED NOT TO PREDICT THE FUTURE.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE THAT WILL UNFOLD HERE AS THE MONTHS PROGRESS.
>> PATTY, WE USUALLY LOVE DRAMA HERE.
WE HAVE ELECTED LEADER WHO ARE ENJOYING THE COVERAGE.
DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT EXTEND MORE?
>> IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT WAYNE WILLIAMS WHO LOSE HIS SECRETARY OF STATE SEAT A STEADY GUY THE PERSON WHO OVERSAW DOMINION COMING IN.
IT IS NOT AS THOUGH THE MESA COMMISSIONERS ARE ANTIFA MEMBERS.
THEY SAY SHE IS NOT FIT TO RUN THIS ELECTION.
THAT IS SIGNIFICANT.
THE ONLY THING WE ARE MESSING IS MIKE LINDALE RUN THE COUNTY CLERKS AND MAYBE NOW THAT THE DOG BOUNTY HUNTER IS BACK FROM FLORIDA HE CAN SOLVE WHAT HAPPENED IN MESA COUNTY.
>> WE WILL BE HOSTING AN ALL-STAR TEAM COVERING THIS ISSUE.
LET'S GET TO THE NEXT TOPIC.
>>> SENATOR MICHAEL BENNET REPORTED THIS WEEK THAT HIS CAMPAIGN RAISED MORE THAN $2 MILLION IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THE YEAR.
THE SEVEN REPUBLICANS RUNNING FOR GOP NATION HAVE YET TO FILE FUND-RAISING REPORTS.
MEANWHILE, GOP CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR HEIDI GANAHL ANNOUNCED SHE RAISED OVER $137,000 IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER IS STEPPING DOWN AFTER PLANNING TO DO SO AFTER THE END OF THE THIRD QUARTER.
PEN, YOU'RE NOT A FULL ON CONSULTANT FOR POLITICAL PARTIES.
IF THE STATE GOP PARTY BROUGHT YOU IN AND SAID, WHAT CAN YOU HELP US MAKE FROM THESE HEAD LINES.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THEM?
>> I WILL TELL THE SEVEN POTENTIAL CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE SENATE SEAT TO COME TOGETHER LET'S PUT ALL YOUR FINANCIAL REPORTS TOGETHER.
$2 MILLION THAT YOU RAISED.
WE GOT TO PICK ONE PERSON AND FOCUS ON THEM.
COME UP WITH A MESSAGE THAT ISN'T TOO EXTREME.
I STILL THINK THAT SEATS CAN FLIP EITHER WAY.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE BENNET OUT YOU GOT TO FOCUS SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR HE HAS DONE WRONG.
I THINK IN COLORADO ECHOING ISN'T GOING TO GET YOU THERE.
I'M NOT CERTAIN BETWEEN THE SEVEN OF THEM THEY HAVE IT.
WITH REGARD TO HEIDI GANAHL I'LL JUST SAY PEACE BE WITH YOU AND KEEP TRYING.
THE REALITY IS, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK POLIS HAS MADE ANY MAJOR MISSTEPS TO RUN ON.
I THINK IN THE EYES OF MANY HE IS PERCEIVED AS A GOOD GOVERNOR IN TERMS HOW HE HANDLED THE PANDEMIC.
HE HAS BEEN AGGRESSIVE, STRAIGHT FORWARD, HE HAS DUMPED A TON OF RELIEF MONEY TO COLLEGES AROUND THE STATE AND OTHER PROGRAMMING.
HE HAS NOT BEEN TOO EXTREME WITH SOME OF THE MANDATES.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR HOOK IS TO TAKE HIM OUT.
IT IS AMERICA, YOU GOT THE RIGHT TO RUN.
I JUST SAY TIP YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
>> WE ARE STILL A YEAR AWAY FROM THE ELECTION.
IT IS NOT THIS YEAR'S ELECTION, IT IS A YEAR AWAY.
WHAT DO YOU TAKE AWAY?
>> FIRST, I THINK WE HAVE EIGHT CANDIDATES RUNNING FILED PAPER WORK YESTERDAY.
CERTAINLY WHEN WE ARE GOING INTO THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS WITH DEMOCRATS IN POWER IN WASHINGTON.
I THINK THEREBY A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENDUM IN THE BIDEN ADMIN STATION.
I THINK YOU HAVE CERTAINLY DEMOCRATS BE PRETTY UNIFIED.
SO I THINK A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON THE MESSAGE.
A LOT OF MONEY FOR HIS CAMPAIGN AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR ANYONE TO OUST HIM IN 2022.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY YOU NEED THE PERFECT CAMPAIGN.
THE PERFECT CAMPAIGN IN MARK.
I DON'T SEE ANY PERFECT CAMPAIGNS BUILDING RIGHT NOW BUT IT TAKES TIME.
>> THEY HAVE NO MONEY.
BENNET HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
HE WILL CONTINUE TO GET MONEY.
HIS RECORD ISN'T BAD IN THE SENATE.
THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO ATTACK HIM ON PERSONALLY.
THEY CAN ATTACK BIDEN AND ATTACK THE DEMOCRATS IN GENERAL.
BENNET HAS DONE A LOT OF HARD WORK IN THE SENATE.
IT IS NOT HIS FAULT COLORADO'S SECOND SENATOR.
BENNETS HAS BEEN DOING A GOOD SOLID JOB FOR THE STATE.
YOU COULD HAVE A STRONG COMPETITION IF YOU HAD ONE GOOD CANDIDATE WHO HAD A LOT OF FUNDING.
WE DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING YET.
>> DAVID WRAP IT UP FOR US.
>> OF COURSE, MICHAEL BENNET IS GOOD AT RAISING MONEY.
ALMOST ANY GOVERNOR WANTS TO APPOINT SOMEONE WHO IS GOOD AT FUND-RAISING THE APPOINTING SENATOR CAN TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR FUTURE REELECTIONS.
BEN -- HE RAISED MONEY FOR PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
HE KNOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY TO GIVE.
HE IS GOOD AT GETTING THAT MONEY OUT OF THAT POCKET AND INTO HIS.
HE IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST COLORADO POLITICAL FUND-RAISER IN HISTORY.
MAYBE EXCEPTION FOR GARY HEARTS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
WHATEVER HAPPENS IN 2022 IF HE LOOSES IT WILL NOT BE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET OUT HIS MESSAGE.
>>> ALLIES OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ARE UTILIZING THE RELATIVELY NEW COLORADO LAW TO ASK A JUDGE TO DISMISS A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY FORMER EMPLOYEE OF DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS.
ERIC COOMER HAS FILED A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT AGAINST THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND ASSOCIATED OVER CLAIMS MADE THAT HE RIGGED THE ELECTION.
YOU BROKE THE STORY.
TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IN THIS COLORADO LAW THAT IS INVOLVED.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WAS WHAT PUBLIC FIGURES HAD TO DETERMINE IN TERMS OF THE CLAIM WHETHER OR NOT IT IS TRUE BEFORE THEY REPEAT IT ESPECIALLY IF THAT CLAIM HAS A POWER TO REALLY KIND OF MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT.
FOR COOMER, WHAT HIS SIDE HAS TO DO IS SHOW THAT THE STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT HIM NOT THAT THEY WERE JUST FALSE AND HURT HIS REPUTATION.
THEY WERE MADE MALICIOUSLY.
THEY ARE SAYING THEY WERE EXERCISING THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT ON AN ISSUE PUBLIC CONCERN AND THEY DID NOT HAVE TO VERIFY THE ORIGINAL CLAIMS WHICH CAME FROM A CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST.
HE ALLEGED HE INFILTRATED WITH ANTIFA MEMBERS.
AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF EVIDENCE BEYOND WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT THIS CALL.
SO THIS HEARING WASN'T THE TRIAL OF THE DEFAMATION CASE.
THE JUDGE WOULD MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER THE CASE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
>> QUICK TAKE ON THIS.
>> COOMER WAS WITH DOMINION AND YOU HAVE JOEL WHO HAD THE RUMOR.
YOU HAVE THESE CHARACTERS NOW IN A DENVER COURTROOM.
WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL MORE MONTHS ON THIS.
>> YOUR QUICK TAKE.
>> IN A LIABLE CASE THAT INVOLVES FREE SPEECH PUBLIC AFFAIRS THE DEFENDANT CAN MOVE AT AN EARLY STAGE.
THE PLAINTIFF CAN DEFEAT THAT BY SHOWING THAT THE PLAINTIFF WILL PREVAIL ON THE CLAIM.
AS LONG AS THE JUDGE THINKS THERE IS A LIKELIHOOD THEY WILL WIN ON THE MERITS THE CASE DOESN'T GO AWAY.
>> PEN?
>> FOR THE LAYPERSON HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT MALICE.
AT WHAT POINT DOES SAYING SOMETHING YOU KNOW OR REASONABLY KNEW IS NOT TRUE.
HOW IS IT NOT MALICIOUS?
>> LET'S GET TO OUR FAVORITE PART DISGRACE OF THE WEEK.
PATTY?
>> IT HAS BEEN THREE YEARS.
IT IS TIME FOR KRONKE TO MAKE A DEAL.
>> HERE HERE.
>> THE MEDIA HAS NOT COVERED THE CASE OF A VETERAN POLICE OFFICER WHO HAD NATURAL IMMUNITY.
NOW IS HAVING TROUBLE WALKING AND CAN'T PERFORM HIS JOB.
THE MEDIA IS -- SHAME ON THE MEDIA TO TELL THAT STORY.
>> PEN?
>> CONGRESS CUT A DEAL.
REPUBLICANS QUIT PRETENDING THAT JANUARY 6TH NEVER HAPPENED.
>> THIS MADE NATIONAL NEWS.
SOME HOW LODGED TIRE AROUND HIS HEAD FOR TWO YEARS.
>> SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT SOMEBODY.
>> THE DISTRICT WHICH IS DOING REALLY WELL HAD A GREAT CEREMONY.
IF YOU NEVER KNOW MANNY A GREAT CHARACTER.
>> A WELL DESERVED AWARD.
>> THE LONG LIFE AND GOOD HEALTH OF QUEEN ELIZABETH II.
THE PEOPLE WHO STAND BEHIND THEM TO SUCCEED THEM ARE MUCH LOWER QUALITY.
>> PEN?
>> TO PATTY CALHOUN CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR AWARD.
RICHLY DESERVED.
>> WE GO TO YOU.
>> THE PARKS AND WILDLIFE, I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING FOR THE ELK.
>> I AGREE.
IN A STATE OF COLORADO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ELK WALKING AROUND WITH A TIRE AROUND THEIR NECK OVER A YEAR.
A LONG TIME FAN OF THE SHOW ALWAYS REACHING OUT TO US.
IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
WE ARE GLAD YOU CAN JOIN US.
THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR COLORADO INSIDE OUT.
FROM EVERYBODY HERE AT PBS12 I'M DOMINIC DEZZUTTI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.
GOOD NIGHT.

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