>> DOES THE 14TH AMENDMENT DISQUALIFY DONALD TRUMP?

TENSIONS MOUNT AS THOUSANDS MORE MIGRANTS COME TO NEW YORK.

HOW OLD IS TOO OLD TO RUN THE COUNTRY?

STAY TUNED-IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED AROUND THE TABLE THIS WEEK BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY AND LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THE 14TH AMENDMENT HAS BEEN GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION LATELY, SECTION 3 IN PARTICULAR.

TWO PROMINENT CONSERVATIVE LAWYERS WRITE IN A YET TO BE RELEASED LAW REVIEW THAT UNDER THE 14TH AMENDMENT, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS ON JANUARY 6TH.

NOW SOME STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS ARE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO KEEP TRUMP OFF THE BALLOT.

IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN, ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW ANGRY AND INFLAMED TRUMP'S SUPPORTER WOULD BE.

SHOULD STATES GO DOWN THIS ROAD?

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO IT, NO MATTER HOW YOU STAND ON THE TRUMP ISSUE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PREEMA CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

SO EDWARD FOLEY, A WASHINGTON POST COLUMNIST HAD A REALLY GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS AND HOW THIS WOULD PROCEED.

FIRST, THE STATE LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLICITLY HAVE A LAW THAT WOULD ALLOW ATTORNEY GENERAL TO REMOVE INSURRECTIONISTS FROM THE BALLOT AND THEN THE SECRETARY OF STATE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO SO.

BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD EXPEDITE LIKE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS TO MAKE A RULING ON THIS BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION IN JULY.

AND, AGAIN, NO MATTER HOW YOU STAND ON TRUMP, YOU WANT THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT IN NOVEMBER TO HAVE INTEGRITY AND THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

>> WELL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MAYBE THIS IS JUST A LIBERAL FEVER DREAM?

YEAH, WE CAN GET HIM OFF THE BALLOT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT.

>> Susan: I'M NOT SURE IT'S A LIBERAL DREAM BECAUSE I AGREE THAT ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO AMERICA AND AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS FOR TRUMP TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN; HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE ARGUMENTS WE'VE HEARD, THE LAW REVIEW ARTICLE THAT'S COMING OUT, MAKES A VERY PLAUSIBLE THEORETICAL AND ACADEMIC ARGUMENT.

BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT STOPS FOR ME AS A PRACTICAL MATTER.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONVINCE THE 6-3 CONSERVATIVE SUPER MAJORITY ON THE COURT THAT THIS IS PLAUSIBLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THOSE OF US WHO HAVE LOOKED AT SECTION 3-- AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL HAVE-- IT MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND IT TALKS ABOUT OTHER OFFICES.

NOWHERE DOES IT MENTION THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT.

INSTEAD, IT SAYS ELECTORS OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.

AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT THE FRAMERS OF THIS SECTION WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS A PRESIDENT.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU HAD A THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO WERE WILLING TO RISK PRISON-- AM OF WHICH ARE NOW GOING TO PRISON-- ON JANUARY 6, WHAT DO WE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO IF HE WERE PREVENTED FROM RUNNING OR IF HE WINS AND IS NOT GIVEN HIS SEAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

AND I'LL JUST OFFER A SAYING THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD.

IT'S A BIG THING IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

AND IT GOES A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS.

GOD DON'T LIKE UGLY AND HE AIN'T CRAZY ABOUT PRETTY EITHER.

SO IF PENCE DIDN'T HAVE GROUNDS TO DO WHAT SOME WANTED HIM TO DO, THEN HOW CAN YOU EXPECT SECRETARIES OF STATE, ATTORNEY GENERALS GENERALS TO BE JUSTIFIED FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THEM AS JUSTIFIED IN DOING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING?

>> SO ANIRBAN, WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN ON THIS?

WOULD THIS NOT ENFLAME THE VOTERS AND THE SUPPORTERS SO MUCH TO BE A DANGEROUS THING?

>> I THINK IT WILL ENFLAME THE VOTERS QUITE A LOT.

THIS SECTION WAS IN PLACE TO PREVENT PEOPLE WHO HAD AIDED AND ABETTED U.S.

ENEMIES, GIVEN COMFORT AND HAVIN' SIGHTED INSURRECTION TO NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE OFFICE.

>> SO FROM THE CIVIL WAR.

THIS IS FROM THE CIVIL WAR.

>> THAT'S FROM THE CIVIL WAR.

AND INTERESTINGLY, THERE IS A PRECEDENT OF THIS WHERE JUDGE CHASE, IT'S CALLED THE GRIFFINS CASE WHERE HE CLEARLY STATES IT IS NOT A SELF EXECUTING AFFAIR, RIGHT.

THAT MEANS THAT THERE HAS TO BE, FOR THE LEGISLATION ENACTED IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT IT, SO I KNOW THESE LEGAL SCHOLARS ARE ORIGINALISTS.

THEY DON'T LIKE PRECEDENTS THAT MUCH BECAUSE THEY THINK THE ORIGINAL MEANING EFFORT CONSTITUTION IS BETTER THAN ANY OTHER KIND OF INTERPRETATION.

BUT OTHER LAWYERS WOULD ADVISE THEIR STATE OFFICIALS TO LOOK AT THE PRECEDENT AND THE PRECEDENT CLEARLY STATES THAT, NO, THERE HAS TO BE A SEPARATE LAW IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THAT BECAUSE WHO IS TO DECIDE THAT THIS WAS AN INSURRECTION, RIGHT?

HOW DO WE DECIDE THAT QUESTION.

THAT DID TRUMP INDEED ENGAGE IN AN INSURRECTION?

WAS HE AIDING AND COMFORTING ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES?

THESE ARE IMPORTANT CONTROVERSIAL LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY JUST CAN ASSUME THAT THAT IS TRUE.

THERE HAS TO BE A LEGAL... >> BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CHAD IS SAYING.

IT NEEDS TO GET TO THE COURT QUICKLY.

LUKE, I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET IN ON THIS.

>> CHAD TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS AND ANIRBAN ECHOED THIS AS WELL THAT STATE LEGISLATORS WOULD BE INVOLVED IN PASSING LAW.

I'M NOT PART WITH THE STATE LEGISLATORS PASSING LAWS, JUDGING WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD.

I WOULD RATHER WAIT TO SEE HOW THE RELEVANT COURT TAIS CASES AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL PROCEED.

IF CONVICTED, THEN WE CAN GO AND LOOK.

>> I THINK TRUMP IS TERRIBLE BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN PROCESS AND PRINCIPLE.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND FOR ALL THOSE FOLKS SCREAMING ABOUT DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THIS IS A CASE WHERE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE AND GO WITH WHATEVER THEIR JUDGMENT IS AND WHAT DEMOCRATS COULD BE DOING INSTEAD IS GETTING THE 40% OF AMERICANS WHO DON'T VOTE TO ACTUALLY VOTE.

>> LET ME BACK UP.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FEVER DREAM ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WAS, TOO.

WHEN I SAW IT IN SLATE, THE LIBERAL MEDIA AGAIN JUST WISHFUL THINKING.

BUT THEN I CAME AROUND WHEN I READ AN ARTICLE BY THE CATO INSTITUTE THAT SAID THEY WERE SIMILARLY KIND OF DISMISSIVE AND THEN THEY READ THE LAW REVIEW ARTICLE AND THEY SAID WELL, NO, THE ORIGINAL WRITING OF THIS AMENDMENT WAS BROAD ENOUGH TO INCLUDE THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT TRUMP HAD TAKEN ON.

AND THE COURTS HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED SIMILAR SORTS OF ISSUES REGARDING MADISON KAUTHORN AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN SO IT IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AS AN ISSUE.

WE NEED A SUPREME COURT TO DECIDE THIS WHETHER IT'S 6-3 AGAINST THIS POLICY.

BUT JUST TO GET THAT CERTAINTY SO THAT IT'S MORE THAN JUST AN ACADEMIC ISSUE; SO THAT WE KNOW BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION WHETHER STATES CAN DO THIS OR NOT.

>> BUT WHAT IF ITS GREEN LIGHTED THAT THEY CAN DO THIS.

STATES MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THEN TRUMP IS ACQUITTED?

ISN'T THAT MORE THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS THAN THE ONE YOU SUGGEST WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID?

>> LISTEN, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DESIGN IS PREMISED ON THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL ACT ON THE BASIS OF PASSION INSTEAD OF REASON.

BUT THIS, TO ME, IS ABOUT AS FUNDAMENTALLY UNDEMOCRATIC-- I DON'T CARE HOW PERSUASIVE IT IS THEORETICALLY OR ACADEMICALLY IT IS AS UNDEMOCRATIC AS IT GETS.

>> BUT IS IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHETHER IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL?

ISN'T THAT THE... >> AGAIN, AND I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS.

THIS IS HOW SECTION 3 READS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE LISTENING.

NO PERSON SHALL BE A SENATOR OR REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS OR ELECTOR OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OR HOLD ANY OFFICE CIVIL OR MILITARY.

NO MENTION OF PRESIDENT.

>> WE'LL STOP THERE.

THE DEBATE OVER MIGRANTS COMEING TO NEW YORK IS GETTING EVEN MORE CONTENTIOUS AND HEATED.

OVER THE PAST WEEK GOVERNOR HOCHUL HAS CALLED ON PRESIDENT BIDEN TO DO MORE TO HELP, INCLUDING SPEEDING UP WORK PERMITS.

THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUED A REPORT QUESTIONING NEW YORK CITY'S RESPONSES TO THE CRISIS.

NEW YORK CITY MAYOR ERIC ADAMS HAS TURNED ON HOCHUL FOR NOT ORDERING CITIES AROUND THE STATE TO TAKE MIGRANTS; AND ADAMS IS HINTING HE MAY SEND THEM ANYWAY.

SO, ANIRBAN, THIS IS A REAL PICKLE.

HOW SHOULD WE BE HAMMING THIS?

>> THE DEMOCRATS TURNPIKING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

-- TURNING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

A LOT-- 100,000 MIGRANTS HAVE SHOWN UP IN NEW YORK CITY, MANY OF THEM VENEZUELANS, SEVEN MILLION VENEZUELAS HAVE LEFT OUT OF A 29 MILLION POPULATION.

IT IS A NATIONAL CRISIS AND NERKT HAS BEEN DOING QUITE A LOT IN SPITE OF FACING A LOT OF PROTESTS FROM LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HOUSE MIGRANTS NEARLY HOUSE OR NEAR THEIR FACILITIES AND SO ON.

I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS IS RIGHT, THAT AFTER THE ASYLUM HEARING, THE MIGRANTS NEED TO WAIT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS FOR WORK AUTHORIZATION.

AND BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS WITHIN ITS POWER TO REDUCE THAT TIME OF WORK AUTHORIZATION.

AND YOU KNOW, JUST WITHIN MARCH AND MAY, 39,000 NEW IMMIGRATION COURT CASES WERE FILED IN NEW YORK CITY AS OPPOSED TO 11,000 IN MIAMI-DADE IN FLORIDA.

SO, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THE MIGRANTS ARE BEING SENT HERE, THERE IS A LARGER CASE LOAD.

SO STREAMLINING THAT CASE LOAD, ALLOWING MIGRANTS TO WORK.

BUT ALSO MOVING THEM-- MANY MUG RESISTANTS HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR FEELING TO GET OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.

SO MAYBE SOME PLACES UPSTATE WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE.

BUT GIVING THEM WORK AUTHORIZATION IS THE KEY.

>> BUT IS IT UP TO THEM WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE OR DOES THE STATE HAVE A ROLE THERE, CHAD?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, HOCHUL WAS INCREDIBLY CONDESCENDING ON THAT VERY ISSUE.

WHEN ADAMS REQUESTED TO RELOCATE THE MIGRANTS SHE SAID "PUTTING SOMEONE IN A HOTEL ON A DARK AND LONELY ROAD IN UPSTATE NEW YORK AND TELLING THEM THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SURVIVE IS NOT COMPASSION."

IS THIS HER VIEW OF UPSTATE NEW YORK.

THAT IT IS A DARK AND LONELY PLACE WHERE SURVIVAL IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE?

KUDOS TO YOU, OUR VIEWERS FOR SURVIVING THE HORRORS OF UPSTATE.

SO I MEAN THAT WHOLE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH.

I MEAN IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THIS PLAYING MORE BEAUTIFULLY INTO REPUBLICAN HANDS.

BUT, YES, I THINK UPSTATE COULD STAND TO HOUSE PEOPLE, INCLUDING YOU KNOW CAZENOVIA COLLEGE, SHE COULD HAVE PLACED MIGRANTS THERE INTO OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, BUT I DO THINK THE WORK ISSUE, STREAMLINING WORK.

>> A LONG TRADITION OF WELCOMING REFUGEES ONE OF THE LARGEST REFUGEE CENTERS IN NEW YORK.

>> BUT FOLKS IN SYRACUSE MAY NOT WANT THE MIGRANTS HERE.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIGRANTS AND REFUGEES.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS SIMPLY WHETHER THEY WANT THEM OR DON'T WANT THEM.

THE LAST TIME ADAMS DECIDED HE WOULD SHIFT NEW YORK CITY PROBLEM TO UPSTATE, WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS A HOTEL HERE-- I DON'T WANT TO MENTION THE NAME-- WHERE PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO FIND HOUSING, WERE LIVING THERE FOR THAT REASON.

THEY WERE GOING TO GET MOVED OUT IN ORDER TO BRING IN MIGRANTS.

IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF UPSTATE HAD THE RESOURCES.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, UPSTATE DOESN'T.

NOW MORE PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS.

THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS BECAUSE MANY OF OUR LARGE EMPLOYERS HAVE NOT-- AND I REALLY MEAN UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES HERE, ARE SPILLING OVER.

IT'S HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE IT'S HARD TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS FOLKS-- THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED.

AND I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON.

I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY-- AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU VERY STRONGLY ABOUT GOVERNOR HOCHUL.

I THINK HER CONCERN WAS THAT THE URBAN AREAS IN UPSTATE CAN'T ABSORB THE 100,000 AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE OUTSKIRTS AND HER PLAN IS A GOOD ONE.

AS ANIRBAN MENTIONED, TO EXPEDITE THE WORK VISAS THAT WOULD HELP THE MIGRANTS AND THE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SHORTAGES... >> AN OBVIOUS SOLUTION, LUKE?

>> THE CHALLENGE IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SAYS IT DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT UNILATERALLY.

THEY NEED AN ACT OF CONGRESS AND CONGRESS IS NOT GOING TO ACTS AND DO THAT QUICKLY.

THAT'S A PROBLEM AND SPEAKS TO THE LARGER ISSUE THIS IS A FAILURE OF FEDERALISM.

THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS HERE BUT THESE COMMUNITIES AS ANIRBAN POINTED OUT ARE WELCOMING REFUGEES TO TRY TO GROW POPULATION THAT IS NECESSARY FOR TAX REVENUE AND PAYING FOR THE SERVICES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPRESENTATIVE OF HOCHUL ADMINISTRATION HAVE REGIONAL SUMMITS WITH COUNTY EXECUTIVES TO SAY OKAY, HOW CAN WE COLLECTIVELY FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLACE THESE MIGRANTS?

HOW MANY CAN YOU PUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY?

WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO THAT?

WHAT ARE THE LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES JUMP AS HOUSING THAT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS CAN PROVIDE MONEY FOR.

BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS AREN'T HAPPENING AND EVERYBODY IS JUST POINTING FINGERS.

>> THE FEDERALISM POINT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE TWO RESPONSES NEED TO BE FAST TRACKING OF THE WORK PERMITS BUT ALSO ENACTING A FIRST COUNTRY OF FIRST ENTRY RESETTLEMENT PLAN SO A PERSON APPLYING FOR ASYLUM DOES SO IN THE FIRST PLACE THEY ENTER.

THEY'RE NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS.

THEY'RE MIGRANTS.

I AGREE THAT NEW YORK CITY IS BETTER AT ABSORBING IMMIGRANTS BE UPSTATE WOULD BE BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HOCHUL IS ARGUING WHEN SHE CALLS IT A DARK AND LONELY PLACE.

>> HOW OLD IS TOO OLD FOR OFFICE?

A RECENT POLL FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FOUND 77% OF AMERICANS, INCLUDING 69% OF DEMOCRATS, THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN IS TOO OLD TO SERVE EFFECTIVELY FOR ANOTHER TERM.

ABOUT HALF SAY THE SAME ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

TWO-THIRDS SAY THERE SHOULD BE AGE LIMITS NOT ONLY FOR PRESIDENT, BUT ALSO CONGRESS AND THE SUPREME COURT.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE HAVE A GERONTOCRACY IN SOME WAYS.

SHOULD AGE BE A DISQUALIFYING FACTOR HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT!

I THINK THAT AGE IS NOTHING BUT A NUMBER, AND I AM COMFORTABLE BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHERE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE ON THIS ISSUE AS YOU NOTED WITH THE POLLING NUMBERS.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO THROUGH EXAMPLES OF RUTH BADER GINSBURG, CAN I SAY BAD ASS ON TELEVISION?

>> I JUST DID.

RIGHT UP UNTIL SHE PASSED AWAY, AT 87 YEARS OLD, SHE WAS VIBRANT.

SHE WAS ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE MEMBERS OF ORAL ARGUMENTS ON THE COURT.

YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, READ ABOUT IN THE PIECE THAT YOU SENT, GOLDA MEIR WHO WAS PRIME MINISTER UNTIL HE SHE WAS MUCH OLDER AND THE GREAT BRITISH PRIME MINISTER WINSTON CHURCHILL AND I'M GOING TO THROW OUT HERE WHAT ABOUTISM AND WHAT ABOUT DEMOCRAT SENATOR DEMOCRAT JOHN FEDDERMAN WHO IS NOT OLDER BUT MANY QUESTION HIS ABILITY TO CARRY OUT THE DUTIES OF HIS OFFICE.

AND THEN THERE IS GEORGE SANTOS, RIGHT?

WHERE THERE IS A COMPETENCY ISSUE THERE AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK IT SURROUNDS AGE.

AND NIKKI HALEY'S PROPOSAL TO REQUIRE A COMPETENCY TEST, I THINK IS JUST ONE OF THE CRAZIEST THINGS.

I THINK SHE IS GREAT.

I HOPE SHE HAS A GOOD SHOT AT THE PRESIDENCY; HOWEVER, WHO IS GOING TO DECIDE WHAT IS ON THAT TEST?

AND WHO IS GOING TO ADMINISTER IT?

>> I AGREE WITH YOU, NINA, THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH JUST TAKING THE AGE MARKER JUST LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO SAY THAT THERE ARE AGE LIMITS, RIGHT?

LIKE THERE IS A LOWER ONE FOR HOUSE, 34... WHY IS THAT LIMIT THERE?

WHY NOT TAKE IT DOWN TO 18, RIGHT?

THERE IS A BIGGER ARGUMENT WITH THAT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT A PERSON GETTING OLD BUT ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE POLITICAL SPACE, RIGHT?

SO IF WE HAVE AN AGE LIMIT-- REASONABLE-- FOR EXAMPLE, IF F.A.A.

MANDATES PILOTS RETIRE AT 65.

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER, 56, 61.

SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE BIG DECISIONS ABOUT SUPREME COURT NOMINATION, ABOUT MAJOR ECONOMIC POLICIES OF THIS COUNTRY AND IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT IN A GOOD WAY, THEN I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN UPPER LIMIT.

>> TO YOUR FIRST POINT.

WHY IS THERE A MINIMUM AGE AND SO I LOOKED TO THE FOUNDING FATHERS ON THAT.

FEDERALIST PAPERS JAMES MADISON ARGUED SENATORIAL TRUST CALLS FOR GREATER EXTENT OF INFORMATION AND CHARACTER.

GEORGE MASON ACKNOWLEDGED HIS POLITICAL OPINIONS WERE TOO CRUDE WHEN HE WAS YOUNG, COX WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE UNABLE TO FIGURE OUT IF A CANDIDATE WAS AN IDIOT, A NAIF OR A TIE RESISTANT UNTIL THEY TURNED 35.

SO THE POINT BEING... >> FRIVOLOUS... >> IF YOU THINK THAT INSTABILITY, CRUDE POLITICAL OPINIONS AND TYRANNICAL OPINIONS ARE CORRELATED WITH OLD AGE AS WELL, YOU ARE USING THE SAME LOGIC THAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS DID AND WOULD YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AT LEAST AN AGE GAP.

>> WITH ANY POLICY MAKING IN A DEMOCRACY, HAVE YOU TO CONSIDER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

AND FOR ME, ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT IS WHAT POLLS WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS POLL THAT SHOWS RELUCTANCE PARTICULARLY AMONG DEMOCRATS TO HAVE SOMEBODY OF BIDEN'S AGE IN OFFICE.

THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS SIBS WORLD WAR II THAT HAVE BEEN IN THEIR 40S AND 50s AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN IN THEIR 50s AND 60s BUT WHEN YOU POLL AMERICANS PARTICULARLY LIKELY VOTERS AND ASK THEM THE TOP ISSUES IN THE 2024 CAMPAIGN, WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS THE AGE OF THE CANDIDATES.

SO IT'S REALLY A NON-ISSUE FOR VOTERS.

>> OH NO, I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO VOTING BIDEN ARE REALLY NOT WANTING PRESIDENT HARRIS.

>> BUT THERE IS NOT ONE POLL THAT IDENTIFIES A CANDIDATE'S AWJ AS A TOP ISSUE.

IT'S THE ECONOMY... >> WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE ELECTION, DOES AGE NOT COME UP?

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THEIR VOTING BEHAVIOR.

>> BUT HERE IS THE THING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT THE AGE, RIGHT?

BECAUSE RONALD REAGAN, OKAY, THAT PROBABLY ISN'T A GOOD EXAMPLE.

SKIP THAT ONE.

I THINK IT'S MORE HIS MISSTATEMENTS, THE FACT THAT HE SORT OF CAVALIER.

I DON'T THINK IT'S BIDEN'S AGE.

I THINK IT'S BIDEN HIMSELF.

BUT WE ARE CONNECTING IT TO HIS AGE.

TRUMP ISN'T VERY FAR BEHIND, RIGHT?

BUT WE TEND TO EXCUSE SO MUCH OF HIS IDIOCY AS TRUMP.

BUT WE COULD SAY THAT'S PART OF HIS AGE.

BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S BIDEN.

>> THEY DID THOUGH.

THE MENTAL ACUITY WAS THE PHRASE FOR BIDIN' BIDEN I FORGET THE ONE FOR TRUMP BUT IT WAS KASS HE MENTALLY FIT.

>> AND IT SHOWED ACROSS AGE AND ACROSS PARTY LINES, AMERICANS WANT AGE LIMIT FOR POLITICIANS AND THE AGE-- THE AGE THAT CAME OUT WAS 70 YEARS.

>> AND THAT IS THE QEF WHEN DOES THAT END?

SUPREME COURT JUDGES?

WHY NOT OTHER FEDERAL JUDGES.

>> WHY NOT PROFESSORS?

>> 80 IS THE NEW 60.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE TO GO TO OUR AS AND EFERREDs.

NINA, YOUR F. >> AS CENTRAL NEW YORK READIES ITSELF FOR MICRON AND THE ECONOMIC TRANSFORMATION IT PROMISES, WE MIGHT STUDY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ARIZONA WHERE THE SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING COMPANY SAID IT CAN'T FINISH BUILDING THE CHIP FACTORY THERE BECAUSE OF A SHORTAGE OF SKILLED WORKERS.

A SHORTAGE THEY WANT TO MAKE UP FOR BY BRINGING IN TAIWAN EASE WORKERS TO ARIZONA.

OF COURSE, THE ARIZONA UNIONS ARE NOT HAVING IT.

THEY SAY IT'S BALONEY AND ARE ASKING LAWMAKERS TO NOT GRANT SPECIAL VISAS FOR THE WORKERS TO COME IN.

SO THOSE OF YOU INVOLVED WITH MICRON, PAY ATTENTION.

>> ANIRBAN, SCH MY F GOES TO THE POLICY OF BORDER PATROL SURVIVOR SUPERVISORS IN ARIZONA FOR PUTTING ASYLUM SEEKERS IN OUTDOOR CAGES IN COLD AND BLISTERING HEAT DESPITE OF AN INJUNCTION THAT THE BORDER CONTROL IS LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE ANYBODY IN CUSTODY FOR MORE THAN 48 HOURS WITH NECESSITIES LIKE BED, BLANKET, FOOD, SHOWER, POTABLE WATER AND SO ON.

SO THIS IS A REALLY BIG CRISIS GOING ON.

>> CHAD.

GOLDMAN SACHS AND PIN WHARTON ESTIMATED THE GREEN ENERGY PROVISIONS IN BIDDEN'S INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WILL COST THREE TIMES MORE THAN ORIGINALLY PROJECTED.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE ENERGY INVESTMENT IS HIGHER THAN THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AND THAT SHOULD BE AN A BUT I SAY NO, THE INCENTIVES ARE SUPER REGRESSIVE AND WILL ADD A TRILLION DOLLARS IN FEDERAL DEBT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUDGET NEUTRAL.

BIDEN-OMICS GETS AN F. >> MY F GOES TO STATES WHO MISTAKENLY REMOVE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN FROM MEDICAID THIS SUMMER DUE TO PROCESSING ERRORS REVEALED THIS WEEK BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> AND NOW TO THE As.

NINA.

>> SAME SUBJECT ACTUALLY LUKE.

HOSPITALS IN UPSTATE NEW YORK HAVE BEEN HIT HARD BY BED AND STAFF SHORTAGES ALT 20% INCREASE IN LABOR COSTS AS WELL AS BUDGET SHORTFALLS.

THANKS PARTLY TO THE EFFORTS OF SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE AGENCY IS INCREASING THE RATE OF MEDICARE AND MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT RATES TO HOSPITALS.

THIS IS GOING TO BRING $967 MILLION TO UPSTATE HOSPITALS.

>> ANIRBAN.

>> WELL, CALL IT A WEBSITE, CALL IT A TOOL, MY A GOES TO "I HAVE BEEN TRAINED" THAT ALLOWS USERS TO BROWSE AND SEARCH A HUGE DATABASE TO SEE IF THEIR PICTURE HAS BEEN USED TO TRAIN STABLE DIFFUSION, ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR TEXT GENERATINGS.

WHEN PEOPLE WONDER WHAT PART OF THEIR LIFE HAS BEEN USED FOR LARGE LANGUAGE MODELS, IT EMPOWERS US TO TAKE A PEEK INTO THE BLACK BOXES.

>> ART ARTIFICIAL GENERALS INTELLIGENCE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> YES, INDIA BECAME THE FOURTH NATION TO OPERATE ON THE MOON AND THE FIRST TO VISIT THE LUNAR SOUTH POLE.

THAT AREA IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT MIGHT CONTAIN ICE WHICH COULD BE USED BY FUTURE HUMAN CREWS FOR CHEAPER SPACE EXPLORATION.

>> AND LUKE, YOUR A.

>> MY A GOES TO LOCAL WORKERS HERE IN ONONDAGA COUNTY WHO WHOSE AVERAGE WAGES REACHED AN ALL TIME HIGH.

>> THANK YOU.

NINA, ON YOUR F, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF WORKERS FOR STAFFING THE NEW FACILITIES?

>> NO, TO BUILD IT.

>> YEAH, SO SKILLED WORKERS TO DO CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT?

>> WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THEM AND WE NEED THE WORKERS TO MAN THEM AS WELL.

>> BIDENOMICS BY THE WAY.

>> THAT WILL BE FOR NEXT WEEK.

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