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>> ERIC: COMING UP, A LOOK BACK AT THE GREAT HALLOWEEN BLIZZARD OF '91, A LOOK AHEAD AT TUESDAY'S ELECTIONS, AND A PREVIEW OF WHAT LAWMAKERS MAY DO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR STATE'S LIQUOR LAWS.

>> Mary: MINNESOTA HAS LONG BEEN AN OUTLIER ON LIQUOR LAWS.

THIS WEEK, THE LEGISLATURE HEARD DOZENS OF IDEAS ON HOW TO CHANGE THAT.

>> OUR LIQUOR LAWS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE VERY ANTIQUATED HIM.

>> MINNESOTANS WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN ON LIQUOR.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP, ON "ALMANAC."

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♪♪ >> ERIC: IN A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT CONGRESS AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND TUESDAY'S ELECTION.

BUT FIRST UP TONIGHT, AN ANNIVERSARY OF ARGUABLY THE MOST FIERCE MINNESOTA SNOWSTORM IN THE LAST CENTURY.

>> CATHY: THIRTY YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, THE HALLOWEEN BLIZZARD STRUCK OUR STATE.

TWO FEET OF SNOW IN THE METRO, THREE FEET IN DULUTH.

IT REMAINS THE SINGLE LARGEST RECORDED SNOWFALL IN MANY PARTS OF THE STATE.

MUCH OF THE STATE GROUND TO A HALT.

IT WAS THE ONLY TIME IN "ALMANAC" HISTORY THAT WE CANCELED OUR SHOW.

PAUL DOUGLAS WAS WORKING FOR KARE-11 AT THE TIME AND HE JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT THE STORM WITH THE HELP OF SOME REALLY FUZZY VIDEOTAPE.

>> VIDEOTAPE.

>> Cathy: REMEMBER THAT?

>> BACK IN THE .

DAYS -- S.D.DAYS, YES.

>> Cathy: WHEN DID YOU KNOW THIS THING WAS GOING TO BE A MONITOR?

WHEN DID YOU REALIZE -- >> AFTERWARDS.

AFTER THE STORM HIT, IT DAWNED ON ME, OH, MY GOODNESS, WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE?

>> Eric: WAS IT PREDICTABLE, THOUGH, WHAT WAS COME?

>> NO, IT WASN'T.

I CAN SIT HERE AND BLAME THE WEATHER MOTH DELLS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE INTERPRET THE WEATHER MODELS AND TRY TO IMPART SOME WISDOM AND EXPERIENCE.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE PERFECT STORM?

OFF THE COAST OF NEW ENGLAND, THE BOOK "THE PERFECT STORM" SEBASTIAN YOUNGER, THAT STORM STALLED OFF THE COAST OF NEW ENGLAND.

A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE WE GOT SMACKED, AND BECAUSE THAT STORM STALLED, OUR STORM STALLED OVER LAKE SUPERIOR AND NORTHERN WISCONSIN FOR THE BETTER PART OF 36 HOURS.

THE COMPUTER MODELS SAID IT WOULD KEEP ON MOVING, THAT WE WOULD GET A GREAT DUMPING OF SNOW, NONE OF THE COMPUTER MODELS PREDICTED TWO TO THREE FEET OF SNOW.

A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE I WENT ON THE AIR AND PREDICTED FOUR TO EIGHT ON CARE-11, PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS NUTS, AND I WAS, BUT I THOUGHT WE'D GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS BUT IF YOU HAD TOLD ME WE WOULD GET 28.4 INCHES OF SNOW, I WOULD HAVE AID YOU'RE INSANE, NO WAY.

>> Cathy: SPEAKING OF YOU ON THE AIR, WE HAVE SOME LOVELY ARCHIVAL TAPE OF YOU IN THE CARE -- KARE BACK-YARD?

>> BEFORE IT GOT EXCLUSED UP, YEAH.

>> Cathy: THIS IS 30 YEARS AGO, PAUL DOWEL LAST IN THE BACKYARD.

>> HUMMISM UMMM.

>> THE PROBLEM IS NOT SO UCH ON THE INTERSTATES, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE REAL SLOW GOING, THE PROBLEM IS THE RAMPS, GETTING TO THE INTERSTATE IS ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE.

IT IS TRULY GRIDLOCK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, INCREDIBLE SNOWFALL AMOUNT.

LOOK AT SOME OF THESE AMOUNTS.

27.2 INCHES IN THE TWIN CITIES.

27.2.

THAT IS THE MOST YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER SEE IN YOUR LIFETIME FROM ONE STORM.

WHY SO MUCH SNOW?

FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS A VERY SLOW-MOVING STORM, ALLOWING SNOW TO ACCUMULATE AT THE RATE OF 2 TO 3 INCHES AN HOUR.

TWO TO THREE INCHES OF LIQUID EQUIVALENT.

CHECK OUT THE LATEST WEATHER MAP AND YOU CAN SEE A VERY, VERY POWERFUL STORM RIGHT NOW OVER WISCONSIN, PROBLEM IS, COUNTERCLOCKWISE WINDS SWIRLING AROUND THAT STORMY- >> athy: DON'T YOU LOVE THE GRAPHICS, TOO?

[Laughter] >> THE HAT, WHAT WAS I THINKING WITH THE HAT?

>> Eric: IT MATCHES THE BOMBER JACKET.

>> IF I DIDN'T WEAR A HAT, I WOULD GET CALLS FROM -- >> Eric: I THOUGHT IT WAS FASHION FORWARD.

>> I TALKED FASTER, I THINK IT MORE ENERGY.

>> Eric: HOW DO YOU COMPARE THIS TO THE ARMISTICE DAY BLIZZARD, ARE THEY COMPARABLE OR -- >> COMPARABLE IN THE SAME LEAGUE, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS ONE WAS EVEN MORE EXTREME BUS WE HAD WARM TEMPERATURES RIGHT -- JUST LIKE THE ARMISTICE DAY BLIZZARD, YOU KNOW, WHERE A LOT OF DUCK HUNT YEARS GOT TRAPPED, THEY WEREN'T DRESSED PROPERLY, BUT A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE -- AND THIS WAS RIGHT AFTER THE PARADE FOR THE TWINS THAT WON THE WORLD SERIES, IT WAS 65 DEGREES A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE.

SO THE PAVEMENT WAS WARM, THE SNOW MELTED ON CONTACT AND WE HAD A LAYER OF TWO TO THREE INCHES OF ICE ANDNEAT THE SNOW.

I MEAN, IT WAS M IMPOSSIBLE TO DRIVE MORE THAN TEN MILES AN HOUR INFORMATION DAYS AFTER THIS THING.

AND THEN IT INHALED JANUARY-LIKE AIR, SUBZERO AIR.

WE SET ALL KIND OF RECORDS WITH THIS STORM.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING IN ANY WAY SUPERFLUOUS TO SAY THAT I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER EXPERIENCE A STORM LIKE THAT IN OUR LIFETIME AGAIN.

>> Eric: BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE OR SOMETHING ELSE?

>> Cathy: I WAS GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE OR SOMETHING?

>> THE WATERS ARE WARM, WE MIGHT STILL GET WALLOPED BUT THE NOTION OF TWO TO THREE FEET, WITH 8-FEET DRIFTS, ESPECIALLY THE EDGED OF OCTOBER, THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF NOVEMBER, THAT'S ALMOST UNHEARD OF.

BUILT I DID BRING SOME OTHER VISUAL AIDS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO STARE AT ME AND MY HAT.

THIS WAS DULUTH WHERE THEY GOT, WHAT, 39 INCHES OF SNOW.

THAT DIDN'T COUNT THE DRIFTS.

HERE IS THE SNOWFALL TOTALS.

GENERALLY TWO FEET OR MORE, EVERYTHING WITHIN PURPLE, THAT LITTLE WHITE-SHADED AREA UP TOWARDS DULUTH, NORTH SHORE, ARROWHEAD, AS MUCH AS 36, 38, 40 INCHES OF SNOW.

AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE TOTALS, 37 DULUTH, LUTSEN PICKED UP A HEALTHY 25 INCHES.

ABOUT 17.5 IN St. JOHN'S IN COLLEGEVILLE.

IT WAS AMAZING, FOR ANY MONTH, MUCH LESS LATE OCTOBER AND EARLY NOVEMBER.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE RECORDS ACCORDING TO THE MINNESOTA DNR, THE STATE CLIMATOLOGY OFFICE.

EARLIEST SUBZERO READING IN FALL, COMING ON NOVEMBER THE 3rd.

>> Cathy: TWIN CITIES, WE SHOULD SAY.

>> MINUS THREE HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES.

EARLIEST EIGHT-INCH SNOWFALL, THE MOST SNOW IN OCTOBER, THE MOST SNOW IN 4 HOURS, WE HAD 18.5 INCHES OF SNOW JUST ON NOVEMBER THE 1st.

SO WE KNEW WE'D GET SOME SNOW.

NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PREDICTS TWO TO THREE FEET OF SNOW IN LATE OCTOBER, EVEN IN MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: DID YOU STAY OVERNIGHT AT THE STATION?

>> NO, BUT SAD STORY, I COULDN'T GET INTO THE STATION.

I WAS DRIVING A SAAB AND I COULD NOT GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY, SO HERE IT IS, STORM OF THE CENTURY, WHERE'S AUL?

I'M STUCK IN MY DRIVEWAY, SO THEY HAD TO SEND THE CHIEF ENGINEER OUT.

HE HAD A BIG HONKING SUBURBAN THAT WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING.

HE PICKED ME UP, DROVE ME INTO THE STATION BUT THE GOOD NEWS, TRICK-OR-TREATERS GOT EXTRA ASK.

WANK THAT NIGHT.

I THINK WE ALL FELT SORRY FOR PEOPLE THAT BRAVED THE ELEMENTS, IT WAS AN AMAZING MEMORY AND AT A TIME WE CAN'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING, I THINK MOST OF US AGREE THAT WAS A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME STORM AND I'M GLAD IT'S OVER.

>> Eric: PRODUCER IS SAYING PEOPLE WANT THE HAT BACK, SO... >> NO.

[Laughter] >> Eric: THANKS, PAUL.

[Laughter] >> NO.

THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: SEE YOU LATER.

[PLAYING "THRILLER] >> SHELETTA: REMEMBER THAT WENDY'S COMMERCIAL FROM BACK IN THE DAY?

WHERE THE THREE LITTLE OLE' LADIES WERE SITTING AROUND THE HAMBURGER, ASKING "WHERE'S THE BEEF?"

WELL, THAT'S ME RIGHT NOW.

I WANNA KNOW... WHERE'S THE SNOW?

I PUT CALLS IN TO SVEN SUNGARD, GUY BROWN, PAUL DOUGLAS DEMANDING TO KNOW WHERE THE WHITE STUFF IS.

I'VE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY ON WINTER GEAR AND SNOWMOBILES FOR ALL THAT EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT TO BE SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE WAITING FOR PRECIPITATION.

AND I AIN'T TALKING ABOUT RAIN.

MY KIDS SAW THE PHOTOS FROM HALLOWEEN 1991, WHEN THE TWIN CITIES GOT NEARLY 30 INCHES.

THEY SAW ALL THE FUN SNOWBALL FIGHTS AND GIANT SNOWMEN, AND THEY WANT IN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, ALL THEY CAN DO IS DIVE IN A LEAF PILE.

THEY'RE BORED OUT OF THEIR WITS, JUST WAITING FOR THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GO SLEDDING DOWN A HILL.

BUT RIGHT NOW, ALL THEY CAN DO IS WAIT FOR PAUL DOUGLAS TO FINALLY DECLARE THAT SNOW IS ON THE WAY.

I MEAN, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE, PAUL?

'CAUSE TRUTH BE TOLD, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH A PILE OF LEAVES IN THE BACKYARD.

LET ME TELL Y'ALL SOMETHING.

IF PAUL DOESN'T FORECAST SOME SNOW HERE REAL SOON SO MY KIDS CAN GET OUTSIDE AND PLAY, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO COME TO COTTAGE GROVE AND BABYSIT.

>> OH, SHELETTA, I AM PREDICTING SNOW, JUST DON'T NOSE WHEN.

I THINK IT WILL BE AROUND THANKSGIVING.

I'M DREAMING OF A WHITE THANKSGIVING.

LANGUAGE ON TO THAT, YOU WILL NEED IT, I JUST ON'T NOSE WHEN.

GOOD LUCK, STAY SAFE.

[Laughter] ♪♪ >> ERIC: THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE HAS A FRAMEWORK OF A DEAL FOR HIS HISTORIC DOMESTIC AGENDA BUT IT'S NOT A REAL DEAL YET.

KATHRYN PEARSON WATCHES CONGRESS CLOSELY IN HER JOB AS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

WELL, YOU HAVE TWO BILLS, THE BRICKS AND MORTAR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN THE HUMAN INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHEN DOES A FRAMEWORK BECOME SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT CAN SIGN?

>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY WHEN BOTH CHAMBERS PASS IDENTICAL VERSIONS OF BOTH BILLS, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL WAS PASSED WITH 69 VOTES IN AUGUST IN THE SENATE AND EVEN MINORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL SIGNED ON BUT THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T SIGNED THE BILL AND THE REASON IS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES UNTIL THERE IS AN AGREEMENTS FROM THE SENATE THAT THEY WILL GET 50 VOTES PLUS THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT ON THE NOW $1.75 TRILLION BUILD BACK BETTER ACT ORR RECONCILIATION BILL.

>> Cathy: IT'S HALF THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL BILL, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> Cathy: BUT STILL A SIGNIFICANT BILL.

>> O IT'S AN XTRA ORDINARILY SIGNIFICANT BILL.

IF THIS PASSES, DEMOCRATS WILL BE ABLE TO CAMPAIGN ON THIS AND THEY WILL HAVE FULFILLED MANY, NOT ALL BUT MAIN OFTEN THEIR CAMPAIGN PROMISES.

IT CONTAINS EXTENSIVE FUNDING FOR SORT OF CARE, WHETHER IT'S CHILD CARE, UNIVERSAL PRESCHOOL, THE CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT, CLEAN ENERGY TAX CREDITS, MINE FOR IMMIGRATION TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLOCATION SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT SPENDING, EVEN AS IT FALLS SHORT OF SOME OF THE PROMISES.

>> Cathy: THE PRESIDENT SAID, THIS IS A QUOTE, I DON'T THINK ITS IT'S HEIMER BOWLY TO SAY THAT MY PRESIDENCY AND THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP DEPENDS ON THIS.

T-MID-TERM ELECTIONS ALWAYS DISADVANTAGE THE PRESIDENT'S PARTIES.

PRESIDENTIAL POPULARITY MATTERS, THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY MATTERS BUT THE FEAT OF THIS LEGISLATION WILL AFFECT BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.

>> Eric: MODERATES VERSUS PROGRESSIVES IN THE PARTY, SOME DEMOCRAT ON DEMOCRAT VIOLENT HERE?

>> THERE'S DEFINITELY INTER-PARTY DISAGREEMENT, TENSION, THAT SAID, THE DIES AGREEMENT IS NOT UNCOMMON.

WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE IS EXTRA ORDINARILY SLIM MAJORITIES, A 50-50 SENATE WITH A TEE-BREAKING VOTE AND ONLY THREE VOTES TO SPARE IN THE HOUSE.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACTS, THERE WERE MANY DEMOCRATS WHO GOT AWAY WITH NOT SUPPORTING IT.

THEY COULD TELL THEIR LEADERS, TOO MODERATE, THEY WON'T-WONTS BE HAPPY WITH IT AND THEY COULD LET MANY OF THEM GO BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT THIS TIME AROUND BECAUSE THE MARGINS ARE SO SLIM.

>> Cathy: SO, GO AHEAD, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.

>> WE'RE ALSO SEEING MUCH MORE OF THE NITTY-GRITTY.

AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE SEEING CONFLICT.

WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE POLLING ON THIS THAT SHOWS THAT WHEN ALL OF THIS IS OUT IN THE OPEN, THE INTERPARTY DISAGREEMENTS, IT TURNS OFF THE PUBLIC EVEN THOUGH IT'S POLITICS AS USUAL.

>> Cathy: GETTING BACK TO THE SLIM MAJORITIES YOU POINTED OUT, DO YOU THINK THIS BILL WAS TOO AMBITIOUS GIVEN THE MAJORITIES?

>> I THINK THE FRAMEWORK IS LIKELY -- IT MEANS THIS IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE UNTIL ON THE SENATE SIDE, THE MOST CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS, MAN CHIN AND SINEMA, SENATORS SIGN OFF, AND NCE THEY DO, THAT WILL SORT OF ENSURE THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS DEMOCRATS, THE MOST LIBERAL GRATZ ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE RECONCILIATION BILL IS COMING.

>> Eric: VOTE'S NEXT WEEK?

>> SEEMS LIKELY, BUT AGAIN IT WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE ASSURED THAT THERE ARE 50 DEMOCRATIC SENATE VOTES.

>> Eric: IT SOUNDS LIKE IN THE STUFF I'VE READ THAT THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS PLAN MORE ENTHUSIASTIC AND FIRED UP THAN THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS RIGHT NOW AND I WONDER IF PART OF THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO ENERGIZE THE VOTERS TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATS?

>> I THINK LIT KALLEY THAT COULD BE ONE OUTCOME.

I THINK THE POLICY SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS CAN'T BE UNDERSTATED SO THIS EALLY IS A POLICY GOAL FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN AND ALSO FOR SPEAKER PELOSI.

THIS IS REALLY HER LAST ACT, SHE'S BEEN IN POLITICS FOR DECADES, HER SECONDS ROUND OF SPEAKER.

SHE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT BUT SHE HAS SAID THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LEGISLATION OF HURL ENTIRE CAREER SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DEMOCRATS, THEY JUST NEED ESSENTIALLY UNANIMOUS SUPPORT SAVE THREE IN THE HOUSE.

>> Cathy: THERE IS LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT'S IN IT BUT WHAT'S NOT IN IT THAT'S ALSO SIGNIFICANT?

>> SIGNIFICANTLY, 12 WEEKS OF PAID LEAVE FOR NEW PARENTS AND THAT WAS A PRIORITY OF MANY DEMOCRATS BUT ONCE SENATOR MAN CHIN, THAT KEY DEMOCRATIC -- MANCHAIN, THE KEY DEMOCRATIC VOTE FROM WEST VIRGINIA, ONCE HE SAID NO, THAT WAS OFF THE TABLE.

SO THERE'S SOME CONSTERNATION ABOUT THAT WITH DEMOCRATS BUT WITH SUCH A THAT ARE WOULD MAJORITY, NOT MUCH CAN BE DONE FOR NOW.

THEY SAID THEY'LL PURSUE IT.

>> Eric: DO YOU BUY THE FACT THAT IT'S PAID FOR BASED ON THE TAX CHANGES THAT COME WITH IT?

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CBO ESTIMATES WILL SHOW, I THINK TIME WILL TELL.

THESE PROJECTIONS ARE TOUGH IN ANY SITUATION.

>> Eric: SO LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL PASS IT BARRING SOMETHING -- >> GIVEN WHAT IS HAS -- HAS UNUNFOLDED IN THE LAST 24, 48 HOURS.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE TWO SENATORS SAY NO, THEY HAVEN'T SIGNED ON ENTHUSIASTICALLY BUT THEY.

>> ' SAID NO.

LIBERAL DEMOCRATS ARE GOING OVER THE DETAILS WITH A FINE-TOOTHED COMB BUT I THINK WE'LL KNOW EARLY NEXT WEEK IF IT WILL PASS.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> ERIC: THIS WEEK, THE STATE AUDITOR RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING MUNICIPAL LIQUOR STORE PROFITS ARE UP 30%.

MINNESOTANS APPARENTLY HAVE ENJOYED THEIR ADULT BEVERAGES DURING THE PANDEMIC.

LAWMAKERS HAVE ALSO TAKEN NOTICE OF INCREASED DEMAND FOR CRAFT BEER AND SPIRITS.

REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER TAKES US TO AN UNPRECEDENTED LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON LIQUOR LAWS.

>> Mary: MINNESOTA HAS LONG HAD SOME OF THE MOST ALCOHOL RESTRICTION LAWS FROM THE BLUE LAWS.

HOW MANY BILLS DID YOU HEAR IN ONE DAY?

>> WE HEARD 28 BILLS YESTERDAY.

>> Mary: IS THAT A RECORD?

>> IT BETTER BE.

>> Mary: AND WHY, WHY IS THIS TOPIC SO IMPORTANT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, MINNESOTANS, MY CONSTITUENTS, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALL BEEN REACHING OUT.

THEY ANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN ON LIQUOR.

>> Mary: THE GROWTH OF LOCAL BREWERIES AND CRAFT DISTILLERIES IN THE STATE IS UNDENIABLE.

>> WE'RE NEAR ACTIVE MINNESOTANS WITH HUMBLE BEGINNINGS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO BE UP AGAINST THAT CAP ON PRODUCTION.

>> Mary: IT WAS LIKE A LALAPALOOZA OF LIQUOR LAWS IN ONE DAY.

DID YOU EVER EXPECT TO SEE THAT IN THE MINNESOTA HOUSE?

>> THIS WAS A BACKLOG, IT PROBABLY GOES BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS.

>> Mary: OUR LIQUOR LAWS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ARE VERY ANTIQUATED.

THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY KIND OF A MODERN CONSUMER FRIENDLY LIKE WE WOULD EXPECT.

YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO, I AND REPRESENTATIVE JENIFER LOON ACTUALLY TOOK THE LEAD ON IT BUT WE CHANGED AND ALLOWED FOR SUNDAY LIQUOR SALES, FOR LIQUOR STORES TO BE OPEN ON SUNDAYS AND I KNOW THE INDUSTRY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THE END OF THE WORLD AND HERE ACTUALLY IT'S NOT.

>> Mary: THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE PARTISAN BUT IS IT GOOD POLITICS FOR YOU AND FOR DEMOCRATS WHO CONTROL THE HOUSE AND WILL HAVE A TOUGH MID-TERM ELECTION COMING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S POPULAR?

>> I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD POLITICS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD POLITICS TO GET THE JOB DONE THAT THE PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO DO.

>> Mary: ONE OF MY THEORIES WAS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR SAYING I BROUGHT SUNDAY SALES.

IT DIDN'T HAND.

>> NO, I DIDN'T -- I ACTUALLY TOOK A PASS ON IT THE LAST TIME AROUND AND LOOKS LIKE I'M TAKING A PASSION ON IT THIS TIME ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T TOTALLY RULED IT OUT.

>> Mary: FOR NOW THE MINNESOTA TO NORTH BILLS S TRYING TO GET WINE AND BRRRR IN GAS STATIONS.

>> WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE BUBBLE OF St. PAUL, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WHEN YOU CAN BUY WINE AND BEER IN GROCERY STORES IN EVERY STATE SURROUNDING US AND IN 45 STATES OUTSIDE OF MINNESOTA, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T DO IT HERE IN MINNESOTA.

>> KEEP IN MIND, I REPRESENT ANOKA COUNTIES WHICH IS VERY INDEPENDENCE-MINED AREA AND I REPRESENT CHAMPP LYNN, NORTH OF BROOKLYN PARK, WHERE JESSIE VENTURA WAS MAYOR.

>> Mary: DO YOU EVER RUN INTO ISSUES IN YOUR BASE ON SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WHO PUSH BACK ON THIS ONE?

>> WE DON'T.

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE TEN YEARS AGO OR MORE, NOW WHAT WE SEE IN IN OUR BASIS IS SOCIAL LIBERTARIANS.

>> Mary: LIQUOR LAWS ARE NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

>> ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING PARTS ABOUT THIS HEARING AND ISSUE IS HOW NON-PARTISAN, BIPARTISANSHIP.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS?

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT, I OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN LEADER TO PRESENT FOUR BILLS IN THE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY.

THAT IS VERY ABNORMAL FOR SOMEONE TO OFFER THE LEADER OF THE OTHER PARTY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT BILLS.

OUR BILLS WERE SPLIT ABOUT 50-50.

>> THESE ARE NOT PARTISAN ISSUES.

I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE VERY POWERFUL GROUPS AT THE CAPITOL THAT DON'T WANT TO SIEBER AND WINE SOLD IN GAS STATIONS AND GROCERY STORES.

>> WE DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE THE LEGISLATURE PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS.

I-IT'S CLEAR THAT MINNESOTA'S REGULATIONS ARE WORKING FOR MINNESOTA.

DESPITE THIS CRAFT BREWERIES COME BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR ADDITIONAL EXEMPTIONS.

>> THIS STATE ACTUALLY GREW BREWERIES.

THERE'S MORE BREWERIES NOW THAN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT THE ARGUE.

THAT THESE INDUSTRIES ARE BOOMING AND WHY DO THREE NEED MORE HELP?

>> YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BOOMING.

THE REASON TO DO THIS IS TO ALLOW MINNESOTANS TO GET MORE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY LIKE WHICH IS HAVING THOSE LOCAL CRAFT OPTIONS.

>> Mary: LAWMAKERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HURTING SMALL BUSINESSES AND UNIONS BUT CONSUMER PRESSURE IS CONTINUING TO MOUNT TO CHANGE LIQUOR LAWS IN THE STATE.

SO REALISTICALLY, WHAT ARE THE PROSPECTS FOR ANY OF HOSE BILLS YOU HEARD GETTING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE?

>> I'M HOPEFUL HAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, IT IS MY GOAL TO HAVE A GOOD, STRONG LIQUOR BILL THIS YEAR THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN TOSSED AROUND FOR YEARS.

>> I'M NOT FOOLING MYSELF INTO THINKING THAT IT'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT IT WILL PASS THIS YEAR, I HOPE THAT IT DOES.

♪ >> CATHY: EARLIER THIS MONTH, ONE PERSON WAS KILLED AND MORE THAN A DOZEN WERE INJURED AFTER A LATE-NIGHT SHOOTOUT AT A ST. PAUL RESTAURANT NEAR DOWNTOWN.

THAT WEEK, WE HAD ST. PAUL MAYOR MELVIN CARTER JOIN US TO TALK ABOUT CRIME IN THE CAPITOL CITY.

HERE TONIGHT WITH HIS PERSPECTIVE ON RISING CRIME, RAMSEY COUNTY SHERIFF BOB FLETCHER.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK ON THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: LET'S GO RIGHT TO THAT TAPE.

MAYOR CARTER WAS ON THE AIR WITH US ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND HE HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE SHOOTING AND YOUR REACTION TO IT.

>> THIS INSTANCE THIS PAST WEEKEND ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN A SPACE WHERE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED A MILLION DOLLARS IN POLICE OVERTIME, IT HAPPENED IN A SPACE WHERE THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT, AS E'VE ALL SEEN NOW, THE SHERIFF GOT ON HIS SOCIAL MEDIA SHOW AND SAID HE THINKS SOMETHING TERRIBLE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'LL TELL YA, ONE THINGS THAT FRUSTRATES ME IS HEARING SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T DO SOMETHING TO AVOID SOMETHING BAD THAT THEY THINK MIGHT BE LIKELY TO HAPPEN.

AND SO THAT SAYS EITHER THAT THE SHERIFF WAS EITHER UNABLE OR UNWILLING, EITHER COULDN'T OR JUST DIDN'T DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT THAT.

I THINK IT'S A PROOF POINT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE PORTFOLIO INVESTMENTS, BALANCE INVESTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY BEYOND JUST POLICING AND THAT'S WHAT PUTS OUR POLICE IN THE BEST SITUATION.

>> Cathy: SO YOU KNEW SOMETHING AND DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

>> YEAH, ISN'T THAT FUNNY.

WE'VE BEEN TELLING THE MAYOR FOR MONTHS THAT WE NEEDS MORE OFFICERS DOWN N THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY THE WEST 7th STREET AREA.

BOD TODAY AXTELL AND MYSELF HAVE ENCOURAGED HIM TO INCREASE THE COMPLIMENT AND TO ADD MORE BODIES.

TODD AND I AGREED TO PUT EXTRA STAFF THERE, WE DID THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE RESOURCES LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUT TODD DID HIS VERY BEST TO CREATE SOME PRESENCE.

I THINK WHERE WE DIFFER WITH THE MAYOR IS THAT PRESENCE DOES PREVENT CRIME.

IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO BE PROACTIVE AND TO BE AT PLACES, IT DOES PREVENT CRIME.

WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE.

>> Eric: WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF CHIEF AXTELL SAYING HE'S NOT GOING TO RE-UP NOR ANOTHER TERM.

>> VERY DISAPPOINTED.

>> Eric: WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?

>> WELL, HE IS A GREAT CHIEF, A GOOD FRIEND, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED.

NO ONE HAS CONNECTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE HIM.

HE CANNOT BE REPLACED.

WE'RE DOING TO MISS HIM AND PART OF-ONE OF THE FACTORS IN HIS LEAVING WAS NOT BEING SUPPORTED IN HIS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE MAYOR.

IT'S NOT REALLY A SECRET INSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHY HE'S LEAVING.

>> Cathy: SO YOU SAY, THEN, GETTING BACK TO MORE BODIES ON THE STREET, MORE COPS ON THE STREET IS A DETERRENT.

SOME OTHER PEOPLE SAY, WELL, LOOK, THAT IS JUST ADDING FUEL TO THE FIRE.

>> THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

I'VE DONE THIS NOR MANY YEARS, ANY TIME POLICE ARE PRESENT, PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE St. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD 635 OFFICERS THREE YEARS AGO, THEY'RE DOWN TO 560, WITH THAT NUMBER EXPECTED TO DROP AGAIN.

AND KEEP IN MIND, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A THREEFOLDS INCREASE N VIOLENCE IN THE METROPOLITAN AREA, SO -- >> Eric: WHAT'S CAUSING THAT?

>> WELL, THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS.

I WOULD NOT BLAME IT ON THE PANDEMIC.

THIS INCREASE IN St. PAUL STARTED IN 2019, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

WE SAW A HUGE SHOOTING INCREASES IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, BEFORE GEORGE FLOYD WAS MURDERED, SO -- >> Cathy: AND NATION-WIDES, TOO, WE SHOULD SAY.

>> NATION-WEID BUT REALLY THE DRIVING FACTOR IS NOT RAISING HEALTHY YOUTH, MAKING SURE THAT KIDS CAN HAVE A SUCCESSFUL FUTURE AND THAT'S ONE OF MY PASSIONS IS HOW CAN WE HELP THEM SUCCEED, AND THE GANG VIOLENCE AND THE VIOLENCE THAT KIDS ARE NOW -- MOST OF THE -- I WON'T SAY MOST BUT THE LARGE NUMBER OF THE SHOOTERS ARE KIDS AND A LARGE NUMBER OF THE VICTIMS, AS WELL, ARE JUVENILES, SO IF YOU WANT TO FIX THE CRIME PROBLEM, WE HAVE TO FIX THE JUVENILE CRIME PROBLEM AND OF COURSE UNIN RAMSEY AND HENNEPIN COUNTY, THEY GOT RID OF BOYS' TOTEM TOWN, THE HENNEPIN COUNTY HOME SCHOOL, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY PLACE FOR THE COURT TO SEND THE KIDS, EXCEPT OUT OF STATE OR OUT OF THE CITY AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD MIX FOR THEIR RELATIVES TO VISIT THEM.

>> Eric: ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE SENTENCE ENGINE THAT JUDGES ARE DOING IN RAMSEY COUNTY?

>> WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SENTENCING ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER PARTS TO THE PUZZLE THAT WE NEEDS TO FIX FIRST.

WE CERTAINLY HAVE MORE LIBERAL JUDGES HERE IN RAMSEY COUNTY THAN MANY PLACES AND THINGS ARE DIFFERENT BUT THE FIRST THING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CASES ARE CHARGED APPROPRIATELY AND WE'VE HAD SOME CONTROVERSY ABOUT CHARGING JUVENILES OR NOT CHARGING THEM.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT GUN OFFENSES ARE TOP PRIORITY.

ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT SUSAN GAERTNER WHEN SHE WAS A COUNTY ATTORNEY, SHE MADE THOSE A HIGH PRIORITY SO I'M SATISFIED WITH THE JUDGES BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE N INTENSIVE EFFORT TO HELP KIDS.

I TALK TO DOZENES OF MOMS WHO TELL ME THE SYSTEM DOESN'T HELP ME.

MY KID GETS ARRESTED FOR AUTO THEFT, VIOLENCE, CAR-JACKING AND THEY SENDS THEM HOME TO ME.

I CAN'T -- I CAN'T HANDLE THEM AT HOME, I NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ELP.

LET ME JUST SAY, THERE'S A MUSS CONCEPTION THAT SOMEHOW BY DETAINING A CHILD WE'RE HURTING THE CHILD.

WE'RE HELPING THE CHILD BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO SUCCEED.

THEY NEED TO GET CHEMICAL ADDICTION TREATMENT, MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, ANXIETY TREATMENT, WE NEED O REDIRECT THEM BEFORE THEY BECOME ADULTS.

>> Eric: YOU'RE GETTING SOME HEAT FROM THE COUNTY BOARD WHICH ISN'T UNUSUAL FOR USING ALLEGEDLY COUNTY RESOURCES TO PLAN FOR CHARTER SCHOOL?

HOW DOES THAT PROGRAM FIT INTO THIS YOUTH THEORY?

>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.

IF YOU FOLLOWED MY CAREER, YOU KNOW THAT WE STARTED READING PROGRAMS, HOCKEY PROGRAMS, BASKETBALL, NIGHT MOVES, ET CETERA.

THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME TO HELP KIDS.

AND WE HAVE ACTIVE PROGRAMS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW BUT WHEN I GOT ELECTED THIS TIME, I SAID WE GOT TO DIG DEEPER, HOW CAN WE BETTER INFLUENCE KIDS AND GIVE THEM A FAIR CHANCE.

BECAUSE EDUCATION IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER IN THIS WORLD AND IF WE'RE NOT HELPING KIDS SUCCEED IN SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO FAIL.

I MEAN, 73% F THE PEOPLE IN MINNESOTA PRISONS CAN'T READ AT A FUNCTIONAL LEVEL.

80% HAVE CHEMICAL ADDICTION.

SO WE GOT TO GO BACK TO WORK AND HELP KIDS SO, YES, WO YEARS AGO, I SAID TO OUR STAFF, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OPTION ARE OUTS THERE TO HELP KIDS AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS, WHICH WE'VE IMPLEMENTED BUT ONE OF THEM WAS, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD START CHARTER SCHOOL.

CAN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE START A CHARTER SCHOOL?

I SAID I HAVE NO IDEA BUT I LIKE THE IDEA BECAUSE I WORKED WITH THE HMONG COMMUNITY, THE SOMALI COMMUNITY AND THE KAREN COMMUNITY AND ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES SO WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF YOU KNEW YOUR KID WAS GOING TO BE SAFE AT SCHOOL, THAT THERE WAS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER THERE?

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, St. PAUL HAS ELIMINATED ALL OF THEM AND WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING A ALSO DIFFERENT SO DID WE SPENDS SOME MONEY?

YES, WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THE "STAR TRIBUNE" IS REPORTING.

>> Cathy: SO DOES THE SCHOOL HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE?

>> NO, IT -- WE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE THE FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP, ALL.

>>> A CERTAINLY GOING TO BE ON THE BOARD AND MY PLAN IS TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE ON MY OWN TIME AND BRING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE SAFETY, PARKS PEOPLE.

IT'S A PUBLIC SERVES, LEADERSHIP AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

AND WE WANT TO EXPOSE KIDS TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY MIGHT NOT NORMALLY SEE.

>> Eric: SHERIFF, THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> THANKS FOR LISTENING.

THANKS FOR LISTENING.

THANK YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ >> ERIC: MINNESOTA HAS LONG BOASTED OF ITS HIGH GRADUATION RATES AND COLLEGE ENTRANCE TEST SCORES.

BUT IT'S NO SECRET THAT MINNESOTA ALSO HAS AMONG THE NATION'S WORST RACIAL DISPARITIES WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO BROUGHT THIS STORY TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE THIS WEEK IN A REPORT FOR THE PBS "NEWSHOUR."

HERE'S AN EXCERPT.

>> IT'S JUST LIKE MULTIPLICATION -- >> IT'S A BUSY MONDAY IN THIS 5th GRADE CLASS AT MONROE ELEMENTARY.

>> I KNEW I MADE A MISTAKE SOMEWHERE -- >> MATH, ENGLISH AND EVEN SOME HISTORY, ALL BEFORE LUNCH.

>> BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALL THOSE WORDS.

>> THIS CLASS IN THE MINNEAPOLIS SUBURB OF BROOKLYN PARK IS AN OUTLIER IN THIS STATE, HIGHLY DIVERSE TANNED TAUGHT BY A BLACK MALE.

>> I GREW UP IN MINNESOTA.

I HAD SOME VERY IMPACTFUL TEACHERS, BLACK, WHITE.

WHEN I SAY THAT, THOUGH, I DIDN'T HAVE MY FIRST BLACK TEACHER UNTIL I WAS IN 7th GRADE.

ALL THROUGH MY EDUCATION, I HAD THREE TEACHERS OF COLOR.

>> CIRCLE IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

>> EVEN TODAY, FEWER THAN 1% OF TEACHERS IN MINNESOTA ARE BLACK MEN.

WHITE'S OWN TEACHING CAREER STARTED LESS THAN THREE YEARS AGO, AFTER WORKING FOR UPS AND SPENDING MORE THAN A DECADE AS A YOUTH FOOTBALL COACH.

HE EVENTUALLY COLLECTED WITH BLACK MEN TEACH, A NONPROFIT THAT WORKS TO RECRUITS, PREPARE, PLACE AND RETAIN BLACK MALES IN SCHOOL.

>> I REALLY WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF MY AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS THAT ARE IN MY CLASSROOM THAT YOU CAN BE WHOEVER YOU WANT TO BE BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE THAT MAYBE LOOKS LIKE YOU, LITING YOU KNOW THAT IT IS ATTAINABLE.

>> ERIC: FRED DE SAM LAZARO JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT LOCAL REFORM EFFORTS HE PROFILED IN HIS STORY.

FRED HAS WORKED FOR THE "NEWSHOUR" FOR THREE DECADES.

HE'S LIVED IN ST. PAUL THAT ENTIRE TIME.

LET'S DELVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE LINK BETWEEN MORE BLACK MALE TEACHERS AND THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP.

WHAT'S THE SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THERE?

>> IT IS THEORIES WITH SOME FOUNDATION THAT THIS MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT A CHILD EXPERIENCES, AND IRONICALLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO, NOT IRONICALLY, REALLY BUT REVEALINGLY, WE TALKED TO A PROFESSOR AND A FORMER TEACHER, NOW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, AND HE WANTED TO BE A .E.A.C.H.ER, STARTED OUT BEING A TEACHER AND HE SAYS, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WHEN I APPROACHED COLLEAGUES, WHEN I FIRST GOT, THERE I WAS TAKEN FOR A MEMBER OF THE SECURITY TEAM.

AND I SAYS, THESE ARE MICROAGGRESSIONS, DOESN'T SOUNDS LIKE MUCH BUT THEY ACCUMULATE OVER A WHILE.

IT GIVES YOU A COMPLEX, IN HIS WORDS, IT MAKES YOU FEEL KIND OF LONELY, F YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THERE, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM, THE LONELINESS AND IT E TO ALL CHILDREN TO SEE A BLACK MALE TEACHER IN AN AUTHORITY ROLE, AUTHORITY FIGURE WHO IS A BLACK MALE IS NOT A COMMON SITE FOR A LOT OF YOUNG AMERICANS GROWING UP.

AND SO THERE ARE MOVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE ORGANIZATION THAT WE WORKED WITH, BLACK MEN TEACH TO TRY TO CORRECT THIS, TO TRY AND ATTRACT YOUNG BLACK MEN TO A PROFESSION THAT ISN'T ATTRACTIVE TO THEM FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

>> Cathy: THIS SOUNDS GOOD BUT I'M WONDERING, THE TENURE SYSTEM IN SCHOOLS N DISTRICTS DOESN'T HELP NEW TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT FOR A LONG TIME, THIS LAST IN, FIRST OUT, WHEN THERE ARE LAYOFFS.

THE LEGISLATURE TOOK THAT AWAY SOME YEARS AGO SO THERE IS A LOT OF WIGGLE OOM, POTENTIALLY, FOR NEGOTIATION TO GET AROUND THAT BUT IT TAKES POLITICAL WILL AND IT GETS MESSY WHEN YOU DIAL WITH THOSE SORTS OF THINGS BUT, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY, I THINK THERE IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OF THE LOWEST BLACK ACHIEVEMENT SCORES IN THE COUNTRY COMPARED TO BLACK STUDENTS IN OTHER STATES AND SOME OF THE HIGHEST WHITE SCORES.

SO OUR GAP IS WIDER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.

>> Eric: 40% OR SO OF THE STATE BUDGET GOES TO EDUCATION.

I WONDER, WHEN YOU DID THIS STORY, DID YOU TALK TO EXPERTS WHO SAY THE FORMULA MAYBE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO ADDRESS THE 21st CENTURY?

>> IN THE SPACE OF TIME THAT WE HAD, THE FISCAL MATTERS THAT WE DEALT WITH HAD MOSTLY TO O WITH HOW STATE AID IS DISTRIBUTED AND IT'S OT AS EQUITABLE, FROM ALL ACCOUNTS, AS IT WAS, SAY, NOTICE '70s, WHEN THE STATE WAS IN CHARGE OF DISTRIBUTING MOST OF THE SCHOOL AID.

THAT IS MUCH MORE DEPENDENT NOW ON PROBABLY TAX LEVIES AND THOSE ARE NOT UNIFORM, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU COMPARE AN EDINA TAX FACE TO ONE IN A RURAL COMMUNITY IN MINNESOTA, OR AN URBAN ONE IN MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: I'M GLAD YOU TALKED TO FORMER JUSTICE PAGE AND FED CHAIR KASHKARI ABOUT THE REFORM EFFORTS WHICH ARE NOT REALLY GAINING TRACKS.

>> IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE GAINING TRACKS.

THERE ARE COALITIONS THAT ARE QUITE UNUSUAL BETWEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, KEITH ELLISON IS ON BOARD WITH IT, ALONG WITH SOME RURAL LAWMAKERS FROM BOTH PARTIES, AND I THINK MOSTLY REPUBLICAN RURAL ONES, AND SOME CITY DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATORS.

SO THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING BED FELLOWS ON THIS QUESTION.

>> Eric: DID YOU PUT IT TO JUSTICE PAGE THAT SHOULD IT BE LITIGATION OR LEGISLATION AND I THINK ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OR FEARS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT THAT THEY HAVE IS THAT IT WOULD JUST LEAD TO A LOT OF LAWSUITS?

>> THAT IS THE CRITICISM THAT ONE HEARS FREQUENTLY.

THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MINNESOTA'S PROPOSAL AND THE STATES THAT DID PASS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS, FLORIDA DID AND AND SAW AN IMPROVEMENT BUT EACH STATE HAS DIFFERENT MECHANISMS TO CHANGE THEIR CONSTITUTION.

SOME ARE EASIER THAN OTHERS.

OURS IS NOT AMONG THOSE EASIER ONES AND THE FLORIDA ONE CAN GETS A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR IN WHAT THEY WANT.

SMALLER CLASS SIZES.

THE PAGE-KASHKARI AMENDMENT, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS MUCH BROADER, SAYS WE'RE DOING TO CREATES A PLATFORM BY WHICH WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU GUYS DISCUSS HOW YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THEM.

>> Eric: RIGHT NOW IT'S THOROUGH AND EFFICIENT AND THE AMENDMENT THEY PROPOSE IS A RIGHT, AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT FOR THE STUDENT TO HAVE -- >> AND WHAT THOSE TERMS MEAN IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH LEGAL LEFT THEY CARRY IS OPEN TO SOME QUESTION, AS WELL, BECAUSE UNIFORM MIGHT BE A HEFTIER TERM THAN QUALITY ARE SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS YOU HEAR.

>> Eric: WHERE DO WE FIND THIS ONLINE O PEOPLE GO GO BACK AND WATCH IT?

>> PBS.ORG/NEWSHOUR.

OR GOOGLE FREDDY SAM LAZARO AT THE ST. PAUL SCHOOLS.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE AUDIENCE TOOK AWAY FROM THE PIECE?

>> POST MAY 25th, 2020, A LOT ABOUT THIS STATE HAS BEEN REVEALED THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION THE MINNESOTA EXCEPTIONALISM REPUTATION THAT WE EARNED PRIOR TO THAT AND I GUESS WE'RE IN A TEST PHASE NOW TO SAY AMID SO MUCH DEMOGRAPHIC TRANSFORMATION IN THIS STATE WHETHER WE'LL -- WHETHER THIS MINNESOTA EXISTENTIALISM IS STILL A THING.

>> Eric: EAH.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER, FREDS, THANKS.

>> MY PLEASURE, AS ALWAYS.

> >> Cathy: YOU'RE TREASURE, THANK YOU.

>> >> ERIC: THOUSANDS IN MINNESOTA ARE STILL REELING FROM THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC.

THE STATE HAS SINCE STEPPED IN TO HELP THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR RENT.

BUT AS "REPORT FOR AMERICA" AND "ALMANAC" DATA REPORTER KYELAND JACKSON FOUND, A GROWING SHARE OF PEOPLE NEED HELP,AND FUNDS ARE RUNNING OUT.

>> SINGS THE PANDEMIC BEGAN, GREATER TWIN CITIES UNITED WAY STAFF HAVE TAKEN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CALLS.

THEY'RE FROM PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT RENTAL ASSISTANCE, AND DIRECTOR JAMES COLLINS SAYS THAT MANY OF THOSE CALLERS ARE GETTING DESPERATE.

>> HAD THESE MASSIVE PROGRAMS NOT BEEN IN PLACE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD ALREADY, JUST BASED ON THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REACHING OUT FOR HELP.

I'M JUST -- I THINK PROBABLY LIKE EVERYONE IN THE SOCIAL SERVICES WORLD, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS WINTER.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT SHARE WITH US ALL THE TIME, THEY'RE LIKE, I'VE LIVED OUTSIDE FOR A FEW MONTHS OR I LIVED IN MY CAR AND X. Y.

Z, IT WAS REALLY COLD AND SCARY AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE IN TEARS ON THE PHONE WITH US SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE AND MAKE MY KIDS LIVE IN A CAR.

>> HE MAY HAVE GOOD REASON TO WORRY.

DROVES OF PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO MINNESOTA'S RENT AT ALL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THIS YEAR, ASKING FOR A COMBINED $327 MILLION IN ORDER TO HELP PAY THAT ARE BILLS.

THE NONPROFIT HOMELINE MNHAS HELPED TO CONNECT HOUSING PROVIDERS AND RENTERS WITH THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED.

BUT COORDINATOR AND HOUSING ATTORNEY RACHEL STERLING SAYS IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO PREVENT MORE EVICTIONS NEXT YEAR.

>> THE EVICTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN AS HIGH AS PRE-PANDEMIC, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS.

I WOULD SAY THAT'S BECAUSE THE PHASE-OUTS IS WORKING, DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

THE POINT OFT PHASE-OUT WAS THE CONCERN WAS, IS THAT IF WE JUST DID AN ON-OFF SWITCH AND STARTED TO ALLOW EVICTIONS FOR ANY REASON, ANY LEGAL REASON, THAT, YOU KNOW, LANDLORDS WOULD RACE OUT THAT FIRST DAY, FILE ALL THEIR NON-PAYMENT EVICTIONS THAT HAD BEEN HOLDING UP FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO, WORST CASE, ALL 15,000 EVICTIONS THAT DIDN'T FEIT FILED IN 2020 THAT IF WE GO BY 2019'S NUMBER BUT ALL THE OTHER EVICTIONS FORENONPAYMENT BUT PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED BY COVID, MORE PEOPLE WERE OUT OF WORK, SO THERE WAS A LOT MORE POTENTIAL NONPAYMENT EVICTIONS IN THE PIPELINE THAN THERE WOULD BE IN ANY OTHER GIVEN YEAR.

>> DATA FROM THE WEBSITE, ELECTIONLAB.ORG SOME THAT MINNESOTA SAW A DROP IN EVICTION LAST MOMENT, THAT'S WHEN THEY STARTED AN EVICTION MORATORIUM THAT PREVENTED RENTERS FROM BEING THROWN OUT.

BUT AS THE STATE HAS ROLLED BACK PROTECTIONS FROM THE MORATORIUM, EVICTION FILINGS HAVE INCREASED.

FOR THE RENTHELPMN PROGRAM, THE ISSUE IS AS RACIAL ATTENTION IT IS FINANCIAL.

66% OF THE PEOPLE REQUESTING HELP HAVE BEEN PEOPLE OF COLOR.

EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE OF COLOR MAKE UP ONLY 23% OF THE STATE'S POPULATION.

DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING COMMISSIONER JENNIFER HO SAYS THAT MAY BE BY DESIGN.

>> IN MINNESOTA, OUR LAW DATES ALL THE WAY BACK TO STATEHOOD, WHICH IS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN SLAVERY WAS STILL ALLOWED IN AMERICA AND SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT'S THE ORIGIN OF TENANT-LANDLORD LAW, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS AND BLACK RENTERS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO KIND OF PAUSE INFORMATION A MOMENT AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW ALL OF THIS KINDS OF PERPETUATES THE SITUATION WHERE HOUSEHOLDS WHO ARE PERHAPS AT THE LOWER END OF THE ECONOMY AND WHO ARE IN MORE VULNERABLE JOB POSITIONS, WHO ARE ALREADY MAYBE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, YOU KNOW, THE DISRUPTION, THE ECONOMIC DISRUPTION OF THE PANDEMIC WAS LIKELY TO HIT RENTERS -- SAME THING WITH HOMEOWNERS, TOO, BLACK HOMEOWNERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND ON THEIR PAYMENTS BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC IMFACTS DIDN'T HAND EQUALLY.

THEY HAPPENED DISPROPORTIONATELY.

>> MINNESOTA'S MORATORIUM OFFICIALLY ENDS NEXT JUNE.

THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING RECEIVED $500 MILLION IN EMERGENCY FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IS UNCLEAR WHEN RENTAL ASSISTANCE FROM THAT WILL RUN OUT.

BUT COAL LINKS AT GREATER UNITED TWIN CITIES UNITED WAY SINCE THIS IS A VITAL ISSUE TO ADDRESS.

>> THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CONVERSATION OVER THE COURSE OF COVID LET'S BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, WE'LL CLAP FOR DOCTORS AND THAT'S WONDERFUL, RIGHT, DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT IF WE SORT OF TAKE OUR EYES OFF THE PRIZE NOW AND LET, YOU KNOW, X PERCENT OF OUR FELLOW MINNESOTANS BECOME HOMELESS AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED, THEN SHAME ON US.

>> CATHY: IN THE REMAINING 10 MINUTES TONIGHT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT TUESDAY'S ELECTION AND LEGISLATIVE STALEMATES HERE AND IN WASHINGTON.

ABOU AMARA, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER, NOW A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER.

HE'S A DFLER.

AMY KOCH JOINS US, TOO.

A FORMER STATE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER AND SHE'S A REPUBLICAN.

SENATOR KOCH, HOW IS IT THAT A PANEL OF LAWMAKERS ND AGENCY HEADS FAILED TO AGREE ON HOW TO GIVE AWAY MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO WERE FRONT-LINE PANDEMIC WORKERS?

>> THAT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT TO SEE.

SO THIS WEEK THE FRONT-LINE WORKER COMMITTEE -- AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD.

IT WAS A BIPARTISAN GROUP THAT WAS TASKED -- THEY WERE GIVEN $250 MILLION, NOW -- IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED, ALREADY SPENT, ALREADY OFF THE BOOKS, ALREADY AGREED TO, TO GIVE TO PEOPLE TO SAY THANKS FOR BEING ON THE FRONT LINE, NURSES, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN NURSING HOMES AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE FOR US DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND THEY BASICALLY PASSED OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BILL BUT THEY DID NOT AGREE AND THE MONEY WILL NOT BE ALLOCATED AND I JUST THINK WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT AS WE GO INTO THE HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MONEY IS THERE, IT'S READY TO BE SPENT AND WE COULDN'T GET A DEAL.

>> WELL, LET'S ASK WHY IT DIDN'T -- THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT.

THE REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL EXCLUDED SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE ESSENTIAL TO GET THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, WE HAD GROCERY STORES, FOLKS WHO WERE EXPOSED TO COVID EACH AND EVERY DAY, THE REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL EXCLUDED THEM.

THE REPUBLICANS REALLY FOCUSED ON IF YOU WERE IN A HOSPITAL, ESSENTIAL LIE, YOU WOULD RECEIVE THIS PAY BUT WE KNOW THERE WERE SO MANY MINNESOTANS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO US GETTING THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC AND THEIR PROPOSAL LEFT THEM OUT.

THE D.F.L.

WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE TOOK CARE OF EVERYBODY, THE REPUBLICANS REALLY JUST WANTED TO FOCUS ON CERTAIN SUBSET.

>> Eric: THE D.F.L.

HAS, YOU KNOW, D.F.L.

FRIENDLY UNION MEMBERS THAT, I'M SURE THEY DESERVE THE MONEY BUT THE MORE PEOPLE YOU HAVE IN THE POOL, THE LESS -- THE CHECK AMOUNT -- >> THE CHECK AMOUNT WAS GETTING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU WERE TALKING MAYBE A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER PERSON, SO YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ARE YOU INCREASING THE POOL TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE BECAUSE AT SOME POINTS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IS GOING TO BE $200 TO FOLKS, SO THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHO TO PRIORITIZE AND SHOULD THERE BE A TIERED SYSTEM.

THERE WERE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT, IT'S JUST -- IT SEEMS TO ME THERE WAS DEFINITELY COMPROMISE TO BE REACHED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS THAT EVERYONE GOT, YOU KNOW, A THANK YOU, AND A PIECE OF THAT.

>> WHETHER IT WAS $200 OR $800 OR $1200, THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE LIFE-CHANGING MONEY FOR ANY PERSON IN MINNESOTA.

IT WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY HELPED THEM.

WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS MAKING SURE ALL WORKERS CROSS THE STATE FEEL VALUED, WHETHER A GROCERY STORE, A DELIVERY DRIVER, WHETHER A NURSE OR A DOCTOR THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE YOU HAD A ROLE TO PLAY IN US GETTING THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND THE STATE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT AND THE REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL EXCLUDED SO MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: NOW WE GO BACK TO THE 2022 SESSION, THIS IS GOING TO GO BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE AND WON'T THERE BE MORE MONEY THROWN AT THIS?

THE STATE IS SWIMMING IN MONEY AT THIS POINT.

>> THE STATE HAS TWO, THREE, $4 BILLION AS ADDITIONAL A.R.P.

DOLLARS, IT'S WHAT WILL -- WHAT KIND OF PRIORITY WILL BE PLACED ON THIS BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

I'M CONFIDENT THEY'LL PASS SOMETHING, IT'S JUST A SHAME IT WILL TAKE UNTIL 2022 AND PROBABLY MAY OF 2022, IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, BECAUSE IT WILL BE PART OF A FINAL DEAL.

>> Eric: YOU LED THE SENATE, YOU WERE AN AIDE TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ON THE D.F.L.

SIDE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME AND THE VIEWERS WHY THE LIQUOR LAWS HAVE NOT BEEN JUNE DATED?

WHAT'S THE POLITICAL LAYOUT THERE THAT'S PREVENTING SOME CHANGES?

>> WELL, E DID GET SUNDAY SALES, SO WE HAVE BEEN JUNE DATE YOU KNOW OUR LAWS BUT MINNESOTA HAS ALWAYS BEEN SLOW -- WE HAVE LOT OF BLUE LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THOSE THINGS IN MINNESOTA.

WE JUST ALWAYS -- WE TRUE ADDITIONALLY ALWAYS HAVE.

SO I THINK THERE WAS A COMMITTEE THIS WEEK, I THINK YOU'LL SEE SOME MOVEMENT.

YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PLAYERS.

>> UNLIKE TRADITIONAL TAX ISSUE OR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE, YOU EVER INTERESTING BED FELLOWS WHEN IT COMES TO LIQUOR LAWS.

YOU HAVE A PATCHWORK THAT ALLOWS SOME CITIES TO BE IN CONTROL OF LIQUOR.

YOU'VE GOT OUR FRIENDS IN LABOR WITH THE TEAMSTERS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT DOESN'T ALIGN KIND OF IN THE TRADITIONAL POLITICAL LANDSCAPE SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET 68 VOTES IN THE HOUSE AND 34 IN THE SENATE.

>> Eric: WERE DEMOCRATS SURPRISED THAT THE WALZ-FLANAGAN TICKET REMAINED INTACT HERE FOR THE REELECTION?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER REPRESENTS THE SPECTRUM OF THE ENTIRE D.F.L.

PARTY ACROSS THE STATE.

YOU HAVE TIM WALZ WHO WAS ROOTED IN GREATER MINNESOTA, SOUTHERN MINNESOTA, AND YOU HAVE PEGGY FLANAGAN, SOMEONE WHO'S DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE CITY WITH COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES SO IT MAKES SENSE AFTER GETTING US THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, A LOT OF WINS TO TAKE THAT BACK TO VOTERS.

>> Cathy: FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT SENATOR AND Dr. JENSEN IS GOING TO BE THE -- >> NO, NOT AT ALL.

OH, I DON'T THINK SO AT ALL.

>> Eric: DAUDT JUST SAID IN MARY'S PIECE HE HADN'T RULED OUT RUNNING?

>> WE COULD STILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE ONAND I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT FORMER SENATOR JENSEN HAS IT WRAPPED UP.

SENATOR BENSON HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT WITH DELEGATES AND S WELL AS SENATOR PAUL GAZELKA.

THEY'RE BEHIND FOR SURE AND DOWN IN THE MONEY BECAUSE THEY STARTED SO MUCH LATER, I MONEY, SENATOR JENSEN HAD MANY, MANY MONTHS AHEAD OF THEM BUT, NO, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OVER, I DON'T THINK.

>> Eric: TELL ME WHY TIM WALZ, SENATOR KLOBUCHAR, TINA SMITS, ANGIE CRAIG, SECOND DISTRICT CONGRESSWOMAN ARE ALL GANGS THE SECOND BALLOT QUESTION IN MINNEAPOLIS.

I'M GUESSING THEY MUST HAVE SEEN POLLING THAT SHOWS ON A STATEWIDE BASIS, FEWER COPS IS NOT POPULAR OR -- >> WE WERE A A BIG TENT PARTY.

I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZED PARTY, MEMBER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

WE HAVE DEBATES ALL THE TIME, THIS ISN'T UNIQUE TO THIS SO I THINK EACH OF THEM BRING A LIFE SKILLS, LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THE ISSUE.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK ON THIS SPLIT IN THE D.F.L.?

>> WELL, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, IT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROGRESSIVITY, UBER PROGRESSIVE POLITICS IN MINNEAPOLIS DON'T ALIGN WITH WHERE OST MINNESOTANS ARE AT SO IT WASN'T JUST A COUPLE IN LEADERSHIP THAT WENT AGAINST IT, IT WAS NEARLY ALL THE D.F.L.

LEADERSHIP.

EXCEPT DEPORT ATTORNEY GENERAL, ONE AND ALL WERE AGAINST THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND I THINK THAT JUST SPEAKS TO, AGAIN, LIKE LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE MINNEAPOLIS DOESN'T SPEAK FOR MOST OF THE STATE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN MINNEAPOLIS AND HOW THAT WILL REVERBERATE.

>> WHAT DOES SPEAK FOR MOST OF THE STATE IS THE COALITION OF DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE WON STATEWIDE.

AGAIN, REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T WON STATEWIDE SINCE 2006.

>> WHAT ABOUT THAT?

>> IT'S TRUTH, REPUBLICANS HAVE TO -- THE MINNESOTA G.O.P.

HAS TO GET THEIR -- HAS TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER TO WIN STATEWIDE.

PUBLIC SAFETY COULD BE THAT MESS SCALPING, FISCAL OMMON SENSE CAN BE THAT MESSAGE.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT THE TYRANT TIM, I'VE EEN THAT ON TWITTER.

>> I DON'T BUY THAT.

>> ABUSE OF POWER AND ALL THAT.

>> ONE, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PANDEMIC, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A WINNER REALLY FOR EITHER SIDE, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PLAYED POLITICALLY.

AND SO -- BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FISCAL MATTERS, REPUBLICANS CAN HAVE THAT AND WE CAN WIN STATEWIDE BUT WE'VE BEEN NOT DOING A STRONG JOB OF THAT.

>> Cathy: POLLS DO SHOW THE PUBLIC IS ON THE D.F.L.

SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO COVID AND THE GOVERNOR, AND OLSON WAS TALKING IN HIS NEWSLETTER THAT THE GOVERNOR SHOULD FORCE THE G.O.P.

TO FIRE JAN MALCOLM BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC'S ON THE D.F.L.

SIDE OF THIS COIN.

WHAT DO YOU HINK OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULDN'T FIRE HE COMMISSIONER.

I FEEL LIKE THE GOVERNOR AND THE SENATE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK THAT THERE HASN'T EEN GOOD COMMUNICATION AROUND THAT AND I'VE BEEN DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THIS GOVERNOR NOT REALLY DEFENDING HIS COMMISSIONERS AS I THINK HE SHOULD, AND SO JAN MALCOLM IS JUST THE NEXT IN A LINE OF THEM AND THAT JUST TO ME INDICATES THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE SENATE ARE NOT WORKING WELL TOGETHER.

WHEN I WAS MAJORITY LEADER AND WE WERE DISCUSS CRINGE ONE OF THE -- GOVERNOR DAYTON'S COMMISSIONERS, HE ASKED ME TO PAUSE DURING THE DISCUSSIONS ON REMOVING THAT COMMISSIONER AND I AGREED TO PAUSE, I DIDN'T AGREE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT BUT I AGREED TO PAUSE OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR RELATIONSHIP AND THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE WERE IN BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

SO TO ME, IT JUST INDICATES THAT THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND THEY SHOULD BE.

>> WHAT'S CLEAR IS THAT AMY KOCH IS NO LONGER THE MAJORITY HEEDER OF THE SENATE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY LEADER NOW IS BASICALLY SAYING IF WE DON'T GET OUR WAY, WE'LL FIRE COMMISSIONERS.

THAT'S AN ABUSE OF THE CONFIRMATION PROCESS, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE IN A PANDEMIC, THAT THE IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD SAY, AS A CONDITION OF A SPECIAL SESSION, WE -- WE'RE GOING TO FIRE THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE COVID RESPONSE.

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MAJORITY LEADER HAS SAID.

WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID IS THAT YOU CANNOT -- AS A CONDITION, YOU MAY NOT DISCUSS THIS COMMISSIONER FOR A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> THANKS WHY WE AREN'T HAD A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> IT'S THE OPPOSITE AND I THINK YOU'RE ASKING THE SENATE, THEN, TO SAY WE'LL GIVE UP OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

WHAT I WOULD DO IS HAVE A DISCUSSION BEHIND THE SCENES AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT ISN'T THEM GIVING UP THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY.

>> Eric: YOU RECRUITED GO CANDIDATES TO RUN FOR THE SENATE.

AND I WONDER IF THE REAPPORTIONMENT MAPS DON'T COME UNTIL LATE JANUARY OR EARLY FEBRUARY, WHAT COMPLICATING FACTOR IS THAT, IF ANY?

>> WELL, IT WILL BE BIG DRAMA AT THE LEGISLATURE.

THEY WON'T COME UNTIL FEBRUARY, RIGHT, BECAUSE EVERYONE -- YOU'LL HAVE SENATORS PUT WITH OTHER SENATORS, PEOPLE THAT ALL OF A SUIT DON'T IVE IN THEIR DISTRICT AND IT WILL BE A RACE AND A BIG DRAMA ACROSS THE BOARD.

IT'S ALWAYS FOR ME AN EXCITING TIME BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A RESHUFFLE OF THE DECK.

AND IT'S EXCITING BUT IT MAKES IT REAL HARD TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

>> Eric: EVER WE SEEN EARLY MAPS THAT SHOW WHO MIGHT GET AN ADVANTAGE, IF ANYONE?

>> LOOK, WE HAVE A SPLIT LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE A REPUBLICAN SENATE, DEMOCRATIC HOUSE SO IT WILL GO TO THE COURTS.

THE COURTS WILL COME BACK.

THE COURTS WON'T RADICALLY CHANGE THE MAP, ON THE EDGES THEY'LL TINKER, IT WILL LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS IT DOES NOW, SLIGHTLY ADVANTAGE THE DEMOCRATS.

>> Cathy: I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, YOU DON'T TO HAVE ANSWER BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IN MINNEAPOLIS NEXT WEEK?

>> I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE AND MUCH CLOSER THAN I ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

I THINK SUPPORTERS OF QUESTION 2, THE BALLOT PROPOSAL O TAKE AWAY THE POLICE HAVE GAINED MOMENTUM.

I THINK THAT'S SCARED A LOT OF PEOPLE SO YOU'VE SEEM MOBILIZATION IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CLOSEST ONE TO ME, I THINK, THE MAYOR WILL PROBABLY GET REELECTED AND PRETTY HANDILY.

>> Eric: YOU'RE A FORMER MINNEAPOLIS RESIDENTS.

>> BUT CURRENT St. PAUL SO WHO KNOWS.

[Laughter] >> Eric: THANKS, YOU TOO, GOOD STUFF.

>> Cathy: THANKS.

♪♪ >> ERIC: IT'S MINNESOTA HISTORY TIME.

HERE'S THE QUESTION WE ASKED YOU LAST TIME.

LISTEN UP.

WE WERE STINGY WITH THE DETIALS.

IT CONCERNED SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 1963.

A MINNESOTA ATHLETE DID SOMETHING NINE TIMES THAT YEAR, ESTABLISHING A LEAGUE RECORD IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL SPORT.

OUR TASK FOR YOU WAS TWOFOLD.

NAME THE ATHLETE AND THE RECORD HE OR SHE SET AT THE TIME.

WHAT MINNESOTA ATHLETE SET A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS RECORD IN 1963, AND WHAT WAS THE RECORD?

YOU KNOW THE DRILL.

WE ALWAYS START WITH THE WRONG ANSWERS.

>> ERIC: DOC, YOU WERE SO CLOSE.

YOU HAD THE RIGHT RECORD BUT NOT THE RIGHT PLAYER.

LET'S ALL LISTEN TO PACKIE FROM NORTHFIELD TELL US THE NAME OF THE RIGHT ANSWER.

>> ERIC: YES, A DEFENSIVE END NAMED DON HULTZ SCOOPED UP NINE FUMBLES IN 1963, AND EVEN THOUGH THE NFL HAS EXPANDED ITS SEASON NUMEROUS TIMES, HULTZ STILL HOLDS THE FUMBLE RECOVERY RECORD FOR NON-QUARTERBACKS.

THE VIKINGS TRADED HULTZ, WHO WAS NICKNAMED "THE MAGNET," THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

HE PLAYED 11 MORE SEASONS IN THE NFL BUT ONLY RECOVERED THREE MORE FUMBLES.

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