Captioning Performed By LNS Captioning www.LNScaptioning.com THE IDAHO DEBATES, A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT.

THE IDAHO DEBATES IS A COLLABORATIVE PROJECT OF THE IDAHO PRESS CLUB, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF IDAHO, AND IDAHO PUBLIC TELEVISION.

BROADCAST OF THE IDAHO DEBATES IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE PUBLIC POLICY CENTER AT BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY FOR USING THE STATEWIDE MISSION IN PUBLIC POLICY EDUCATION AND SERVING THE GREATER GOOD OF IDAHO THROUGH RESEARCH AND TRAINING ACTIVITIES.

BOISE STATE UNIVERSITY.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FINAL IDAHO DEBATE OF THE 2006 ELECTION SEASON.

I'M MARCIA FRANKLIN, AND I WILL BE YOUR MODERATOR THIS EVENING.

TONIGHT'S DEBATE IS FOR THE POSITION OF GOVERNOR.

THE GOVERNOR IS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE STATE, AS SUCH, THAT PERSON APPOINTS DEPARTMENT HEADS AND MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

HE OR SHE RECOMMENDS THE STATE BUDGET TO THE LEGISLATURE, SIGNS AND VETOES LAW, AND ISSUES EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

THE GOVERNOR IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE STATE MILITARY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF EXAMINERS, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE LAND BOARD.

TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR, YOU MUST BE A U.S.

CITIZEN, AT LEAST 30 YEARS OLD, AND HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF IDAHO FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.

THE SALARY FOR THE POSITION IS ABOUT $105,000 IN 2007 AND GOES UP TO $115,000 IN 2010.

WE HAVE TWO CANDIDATES WITH US THIS EVENING.

FIRST IS JERRY BRADY.

MR.

BRADY, A DEMOCRAT, IS A NATIVE OF IDAHO PARTLY SUNNY, A LAWYER BY TRAINING.

MR.

BRADY WAS MOST RECENTLY THE OWNER AND PUBLISHER OF THE IDAHO FALLS POST REGISTER NEWSPAPER AND CHANNEL 8 TELEVISION IN IDAHO FALLS.

HE HAS HIS UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NINE-GAME AND HIS LAW DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY.

WELCOME TO YOU, AND ALSO JOINING SUS MR.

TED DUNLAP.

A LIB LIBERTARIAN WAS BORN IN SANTA ROSA, CALIFORNIA.

HE HAD A FARMING BUSINESS AND NOW LIVES IN GRANGEVILLE.

MR.

DUNLAP STUDIED BUSINESS MANAGEMENT AT SAW MBOMA STATE, UNIVERSITY.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> MR.

BUSH OTTER WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEBATE, BUT HE DECLINED OUR INVITATION.

THE CONSTITUTIONALIST CANDIDATE, MR.

MARVIN RICHARDSON DID NOT RESPOND TO OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION IN TIME TO BE CONSIDERED.

FLOW, OUR FORMAT TONIGHT IS AS FOLLOWS -- EACH CANDIDATE WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM OUR REPORTER PANEL.

THEN THEY WILL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FROM VOTERS ON VIDEOTAPE.

THEN THE CANDIDATES WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION EACH OTHER.

WE'LL HAVE MORE REPORTER QUESTIONS AND THEN CLOSING COMMENTS.

NOW, BY RANDOM DRAW, MR.

DUNLAP WILL TAKE THE FIRST QUESTION FROM BETSEY RUSSELL.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, YOU HAVE HAD A CUSTOM FARMING BUSINESS IN THE CUNA AREA FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS UNTIL YOUR RECENT MOVE TO GRANGEVILLE, BUT YOU HAVE NEVER HELD ELECTED OFFICE OR OPERATED A LARGE ORGANIZATION IN EITHER THE PUBLIC OR THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO RUN OUR STATE GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAS A BUDGET OF MORE THAN $2 BILLION AND THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES?

>> THE JOB OF GOVERNOR IS THAT OF SUPERVISION AND MANAGEMENT.

I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH HEWLETT PACKARD AND TRAINING WITH SONOMA STATE UNIVERSITY AND BUSINESS MANAGEMENT.

PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED FOR ME TOLD ME I'M THE BEST SUPERVISOR THEY EVER HAD.

I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT REQUIREMENT.

YOU NEED TO PICK GOOD PEOPLE.

YOU NEED TO ENABLE AND EMPOWER THOSE GOOD PEOPLE, AND USING THE OLD H.P.

WAY I LEARNED BACK FROM BILL HEWITT AND DAVE PACKARD, TO INSPIRE THEM TO DO THEIR BEST JOB.

SOMETIMES U. TO BE FIRM, AND WHEN THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO INSPIRE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DAN, YOU HAVE THE NEXT QUESTION FOR MR.

BRADY.

>> MR.

BRADY, GOOD EVENING.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T CONTROLLED THE STATE HOUSE HERE SINCE 1960, AND NOW HOLDS FEWER THAN ONE FIFTH OF THE SEATS IN THE LEGISLATURE.

UNLAKE THE DEMOCRATS WHO SERVED BEFORE YOU, THEY WERE LONG-TERM LAWMAKERS WHO BUILT RELATIONSHIPS IN THE STATE HOUSE.

YOU HAVE NEVER HAD ELECTIVE EXPERIENCE.

HOW WILL YOU GOVERN IN A REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF SUCH EXPERIENCE?

>> WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING TO SAY IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T DISQUALIFY SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE LONG-TERM EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT.

THE FACT OF THE, THE AMERICAN TRADITION IS THAT PEOPLE AND THE FOUNDING FATHERS CAME OUT OF THEIR PRIVATE LIVES AND CAME FORWARD TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR TRADITION, THAT ITS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO.

I'VE BEEN RUNNING A BUSINESS IN EASTERN IDAHO, LIKE TED.

I HAVE HAD SUBSTANTIAL EXPERIENCE IN MANAGEMENT, AND THE PART OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER IS, IS, REMEMBER THIS, THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT JOB.

THIS IS THE LARGEST BUDGET, AS BETSEY WAS SAYING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE GOOD AT MANAGING.

THAT'S THE PRIME JOB.

WITH REGARD TO THE LEGISLATURE, I WANT TO SAY REPEATEDLY I'M NOT GOING TO BE AS A GOVERNOR SOMEONE WHO IS PRO DEMOCRAT OR PRO REPUBLICAN, BUT SOMEONE WHO IS PRO IDAHO.

WHO CAN DO THAT BEST?

I PROMISE YOU I WILL NOT FAVOR ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, EXPECT WHAT'S BEST FOR IDAHO.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OF GOODWILL IN BOTH HOUSES, IN BOTH PARTIES THAT WILL WANT TO WORK WITH ME.

I DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT AS A PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IN FOOTBALL, TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YOU.

I WILL FIND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK WITH ME TO CREATE A COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, OR ADVANCED EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, AND I THINK WE WILL BE JUST FINE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM BETSEY RUSSELL TO MR.

DUNLAP.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, LIBERTARIANS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT IS TOO BIG, THAT IT PLAYS FAR TOO GREAT A ROLE IN OUR LIVES.

IF YOU ARE ELECTED GOVERNOR, WHAT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES OF OUR STATE GOVERNMENT WOULD YOU DISMANTLE OR DO AWAY WITH?

PLEASE BE SPECIFIC.

>> I WOULDN'T DISMANTLE OR DO AWAY WITH ANY PROGRAMS.

CERTAINLY, WE DO BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT IS TOO LARGE.

WE LOOK AT, AT DEMOCRATS, TYPICALLY, TRY TO APPEAL TO THE, TO THE LIBERTARIAN VIEW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SHARE THAT, THAT YOUR PERSONAL LIBERTIES ARE IMPORTANT, AND, AND THAT'S -- THE REPUBLICANS TEND TO APPEAL TO THE SIDE OF, OF THE LIBERTARIAN SIDE THAT SAYS YOUR INCOME IS IMPORTANT.

THE LIBERTARIANS APPEAL TO THAT SELF-OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS THE OWNERSHIP OF YEARNINGS.

THAT'S THE LIBERTARIAN VIEW.

>> DO YOU WANT A FOLLOW-UP?

>> YES, SOME LIBERTARIANS PROPOSE DECRIMINALIZATION OF DRUGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH ENFORCING THOSE DRUG LAWS IS A MAJOR ROLE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

WHAT IS YOUR POSITION?

>> LET'S SEE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 350, 400 PEOPLE HOUSED IN TEXAS BECAUSE OUR PRISONS ARE OVERFLOWING.

WE HAVE 11,000 ON PROBATION IN PAROLE.

WE ARE, RIGHT NOW, ON A LIST OF 108 COUNTRIES TREATING THE STATES AS IF THEY WERE COUNTRIES.

THAT WOULD MAKE 20TH ON THAT LIST OF 108.

BEING IN THE TOP 20 OF THIS LIST IS NOT A GOOD SPOT TO BE.

IF WE HAD HALF AS MANY PEOPLE IN PRISON, WE WOULD BE AT 315 OR SOMETHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WOULD PUT US DOWN THERE, LET ME SEE, PRISONS, I HAD THAT -- EXCUSE ME.

THERE IT IS.

THAT WOULD PUT US DOWN TO THE SAME TERRITORY OCCUPIED BY LATVIA, MULDOVIA, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND RHODE ISLAND.

>> WOULD YOU DECRIMINALIZE DRUGS THEN?

>> I COULDN'T DECRIMINALIZE DRUGS.

THAT'S NOT UP TO THE GOVERNOR.

WE ARE NOT ELECTING A KING OR A RULER, AN EMPEROR.

WE'RE ELECTING A GOVERNOR.

A GOVERNOR IS LIMITED BY LAW.

I CERTAINLY WOULD FORM A THREE-PERSON PANEL TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN PRISON AND LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T HARMED ANYBODY AND SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH THEM OUTSIDE IN THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF KEEPING THEM FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR JOBS.

>> BUT DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE OUGHT TO DECRIMINALIZE DRUGS?

>> WELL, DRUGS IS A FUNNY THING.

THE DRUG CULTURE IS VERY POPULAR IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE -- EVERYBODY FINDS THAT DRUGS MAKE THEIR LIVES EASIER AND BETTER.

YOU GO INTO WALMART, AND YOU WILL FIND, I DON'T KNOW, ABOUT SIX, SEVEN AISLE FULL OF DRUGS.

YOU WILL FIND STORES IN EVERY TOWN SELLING DRUGS.

SO, WHAT WE, AS PARENTS, ARE TELLING OUR CHILDREN IS THAT WE THINK DRUGS ARE OK.

WHAT OUR CHILDREN ARE TELLING US, INSTEAD, THEY ARE SAYING, GEE, IF YOU THINK DRUGS ARE OK, THEN THEY PROBABLY ARE OK.

NOW, YOU THINK WHEN YOU ARE DOING THAT, WHEN YOU ARE USING DRUGS, WHEN YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CHILDREN TAKE DRUGS, YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD ADVICE, BUT YOU JUST MEAN THOSE APPROVED BY THE F.D.A THEY GO AND THEY TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS AT HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY FIND THAT, THAT GOSH, DO I TRUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR DO I TRUST JOE OVER HERE, YOU KNOW?

THIS GUY IS A GOOD GUY, YOU KNOW.

>> THANK YOU.THY, TOO.

THE NEXT QUESTION WILL BE FROM DAN TO MR.

BRADY.

>> MR.

BRADY, YOU MADE THE CENTERPIECE OF YOUR CAMPAIGN THE CLAIM THAT YOU ARE NOT FOR SALE.

WHY, THEN, HAVE YOU SEND ABOUT $1.5 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND NOT FOLLOWED THE MODEL OF JIM HANSEN AND THE SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, WHOSE LIMITED CAMPAIGN -- WHO HAS LIMITED CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS TO $100.

>> THE MEAN RAIN IS IT TOOK THAT TO BE COMPETITIVE.

MY OPPONENT RAISED OVER $2 MILLION, PROBABLY A LOT MORE, AN 57% OF THAT, NEARLY TWO-THIRDS HAS COME FROM LARGE CORPORATIONS, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, AND WHEREAS MINE HAS COME FROM INDIVIDUALS.

95% OF WHAT I RECEIVED HAS COME FROM INDIVIDUALS.

AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE FROM WITHIN THE STATE OF IDAHO.

I WANTED TO WIN.

I WANTED TO BE COMPETITIVE, AND YOU HAD TO SPEND 19 MONTHS GOING ALL AROUND THIS STATE, AS I HAVE DONE, AND YOU HAD TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY.

I WORKED VERY, VERY HARD AT IT.

I WORKED AND CONTACTED INDIVIDUALS, AND I AM PROUD OF THAT.

I THINK, DAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN A DEAD HEAT AND WE'RE LIKELY TO WIN THIS RACE.

>> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE, THEN, TAKING MONEY FROM OUT OF STATE AND INSTATE?

IS THERE -- IS ONE MORE -- ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT CONGRESSMAN OTTER IS MORE LIKELY TO BE BOUGHT THAN YOU ARE BECAUSE YOUR MONEY COMES FROM HOME AND MORE OF HIS COMES FROM ELSEWHERE?

>> YES.

I THINK INDIVIDUALS DO NOT HAVE PARTICULAR CONTROL AND DO NOT SEEK TO HAVE A PARTICULAR CONTROL OVER THE GOVERNMENT, WHEREAS MY, MY OPPONENT, CONGRESSMAN OTTER, IS SUPPORTED BY 13 OIL COMPANIES.

SIX DRUG COMPANIES.

NOW, I ASK YOU, WHO IS LIKELY TO DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF GASOLINE?

ME OR CONGRESSMAN OTTER?

WHO IS LIKELY TO TAKE ON THE DRUG COST AS TED WAS TALKING ABOUT, EXPECT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT FINANCED BY THEM.

SO YES, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LIKELIHOOD THAT PEOPLE WILL BE INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THEM, AND I AM PROUD THAT I DON'T HAVE THOSE LARGE OUT OF STATE CONTRIBUTIONS WHO COORATIONS AND, OF CORPORATIONS AND POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES.

>> BETSEY, YOU HAVE THE NEXT QUESTION FOR MR.

BUN LAP.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, THE STATE LEGISLATURE MET IN SPECIAL SESSION IN AUGUST TO REFORM IDAHO'S TAX SYSTEM BY LOWERING PROPERTY TAXES, RAISING SALES TAXES, AND MOVING SURPLUS FUNDS INTO A SCHOOL SAVINGS ACCOUNT.

BOTH YOU AND MR.

BRADY HAVE OPPOSED THIS TAX REFORM LEGISLATION, KNOWN AS HOUSE BILL 1.

WHERE DID YOU OPPOSE IT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN INSTEAD?

>> TAXES ARE TRANSFERS OF MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO EARNED IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.

UNTIL YOU SHRINK GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO TRANSFER MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO EARNED IT TO GOVERNMENT.

THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY HAVE A REASONABLE EFFECT ON TAXES IS TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT BACK DOWN.

SO, REARRANGING THE DECK CHAIRS IN THE TITANIC IS NOT AN IMPRESSIVE ACTION FOR ME.

I'M NOT -- I THINK THAT ITS SLIFT HAND.

I THINK THE END RESULT WILL BE MORE TAXES SOMEWHERE.

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE 46% OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES ON THE AVERAGE BILL AND 65% OF THE STATE REVENUES ARE GOING TO EDUCATION.

THIS SAYS THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNIMPORTANT?

OR IT SAYS THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP RAMPING UP OUR TAXES.

SO, I'M, I'M AGAINST REARRANGING IT TO, TO TRY TO DECEIVE THE, THE PUBLIC INTO THINKING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING TAXES.

>> MR.

BRADY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON HOUSE BILL 1?

>> HOUSE BILL 1?

>> YES.

THAT'S WHAT BETSEY'S QUESTION IS -- >> SPECIAL SESSION LEGISLATION.

>> THE RISCH BILL.

>> THE RISCH OTTER BILL, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT.

THIS IS A CASE OF SHIFTING TAXES AWAY FROM CORPORATIONS LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, AND SECOND HOMEOWNERS FROM OUT OF STATE, CELEBRITIES ONTO ORDINARY PEOPLE.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS INCREASED THE TAX ON 95% OF THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE INCREASE THE SALES TAX BY 20% WITH THE SUPPORT OF GOVERNOR RISCH AND CONGRESSMAN OTTER.

NOW, WE ARE PAYING MORE.

WE ARE PAYING ANOTHER $219 MILLION MORE, AND WHO IS NOT PAYING THAT TAX?

WHO GOT RELIEVED OF THAT?

WELL, CELEBRITIES, SECOND HOMEOWNERS GOT A TAX BREAK OF $60 MILLION.

LARGE CORPORATIONS GOT US TAXES DECREASED $70 MILLION.

UTILITIES GOT DECREASED SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE SHIFTED FROM PEOPLE WHO COULD AFFORD TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY.

MY BUSINESS, I RUN A BUSINESS IN IDAHO FALLS.

I'M GOING TO BE RELIEVED OF THE OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS.

THAT'S WRONG.

THAT'S SIMPLY WRONG.

>> DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON?

DAN, YOUR QUESTION FOR MR.

BRADY.

>> CONGRESSMAN OTTER HAS DISCLOSED HIS PERSONAL FINANCES BECAUSE HE'S A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO.

IDAHOANS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CONGRESSMAN'S PERSONAL FINANCES AND SEE WHETHER THEY MIGHT CONFLICT WITH HIS GOVERNING THE STATE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE, BUT THE LAST TIME THIS SEAT WAS OPEN IN 1994, BOTH THE, A DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN DISCLOSED THEIR FINANCES.

IN A CLIMATE WHERE VOTERS ARE SO CONCERNED WITH ETHICS, WHY HAVEN'T YOU COME CLEAN ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES.

>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU BROADLY THAT I OWN STOCK IN THE POST COMPANY.

MY BROTHER AND I OWN ABOUT HALF OF IT, BUT THE EMPLOYEES OWN 49% OF MY COMPANY.

I SAW TO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE MOST OF MY VALUE AND WEALTH IS TIED UP IN SHARES OF THAT COMPANY.

I'M NOT SELLING THE COMPANY.

I WANT TO PROTECT THE COMPANY.

I WANT TO KEEP IT AS AN INDEPENDENT VOICE IN IDAHO.

SO, I'M NOT GOING TO ACCESS THAT MONEY.

OTHERWISE, I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME 401-K, I'VE GOT SOME SAVINGS, BUT REALLY, A SMALL FARM.

I'D BE GLAD TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT INFLUENCES WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

>> WHY NOT, WHY NOT DISCLOSE?

YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE WILLING IN BROADWAY TO TALK ABOUT IT, WHY NOT -- >> HERE WE ARE ON TELEVISION -- >> HE'S GIVEN US NUMBERS.

>> THE PRINCIPAL SOURCE OF MY WEALTH, IF YOU LOOKED ON THE BUT THE NEXT THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS FIND WAYS TO INCREASE THE INCOME OF PEOPLE IN NORTH IDAHO.

WE HAVE GOT TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE.

WE HAVE GOT TO RECRUIT LIVING WAGE JOBS, AND SIST TWO PARTS TO THAT ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR.

DUNLAP, YOU HAVE A MINUTE TO ANSWER.

>> THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAUSED ANYBODY TO MOVE OUT OF THEIR HOUSE.

IF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE BECOMES WORDS $10 MILLION, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONE PERSON'S HOUSE, UNLESS THE COUNTY INCREASES THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.

IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T SPEND MORE MONEY, THE COUNTY DOESN'T NEED A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.

I THINK THEY NEED TO DO THAT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY REACH THE POLITICIANS, TALK TO THEM LIVE AND IN PERSON.

I THINK IF YOU PUSH ALL THAT DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL, NORTH IDAHO IS GOING TO BE UNABLE TO TALK TO THE POLITICIANS THAT ARE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.

SAME THING WITH EASTERN IDAHO.

IT HAS TO BE DONE DOWN AT THE COUNTY LEVEL UNTIL THE, AND TELL THE COUNTY PEOPLE YOU DON'T WANT THEM SPENDING YOUR MONEY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT QUESTION WILL GO TO YOU FIRST, MR.

DUNLAP, AND LET'S HEAR FROM TERRY KLINGLER.

>> WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN TO PROTECT IDAHO'S ELK HERD?

>> YOU KNOW, I WAS FUNNY, THE PEOPLE WHO PASSED THE LAW SAYING THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THIS, THIS EXPLOSION IN POPULATION IN NORTH IDAHO, THEY ALL LIVE IN A CITY WHERE THEY CAN'T EVEN OWN FIREARMS.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITH THOSE WOLVES CAN'T WALK OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WITHOUT CARRYING GUNS.

THIS IS LUDICROUS.

JUST BECAUSE WYOMING CAN'T GET THE WOLF PLAN CORRECT DOESN'T MEAN IDAHO SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO.

THE GOVERNOR HAS TO STAND FIRM AND SAY THE FEDS DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO OVERPOPULATE NORTH IDAHO WITH WOLVES.

>> MR.

BRADY.

>> I AGREE COMPLETELY, TED.

YOU ARE RIGHT ON.

THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY WOLVES NOW.

WHEN THEY WERE INTRODUCED, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE 15 PACKS, NOW WE HAVE 45 PACKS.

600 SOME ODD WOLVES AND 120 BORN LAST YEAR.

WE HAVE GOT TO BRING IT UNDER CONTROL.

THE STATE HAS A RIGHT TO DO THAT.

AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE OVER RUNNING OR OVER, OVERJEOPARDIZING IDAHO'S DECISION TO DO THAT.

AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE GOT TO BRING TURNED CONTROL, AND I WOULD OPPORTUNITY THEM AS PREDATORS.

THE OTHER THING IN YOUR QUESTION IS THIS.

WE HAVE ALLOWED SO-CALLED SHOOTER BULL OPERATIONS TO BE, TO BE BUILT IN A WAY THAT ELK CAN BREAK OUT OF THESE CONFINES AND GO INTO THE WILD, AND THEN, AND THEN THEY, THEY INTERMINGLE WITH THE WILD ELK AND, AND THE GENETIC, I'M NOT SAYING THIS VERY WELL, BUT THE GENETIC PURITY OF OUR ELK STRAIN, OF OUR ELK HERDS, IS BEING COMPROMISED.

WE HAVE GOT TO BRING THOSE OPERATIONS, THOSE CANNED HUNDREDS UNDER CONTROL, AND I AM AGAINST THEM.

I WILL TRY TO ELIMINATE THEM.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT QUESTION, WE'LL START WITH YOU, MR.

BRADY.

IT'S FROM STEVEN HARDY >> CURRENTLY, HOME SCHOOLING IS, IS AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO FAMILIES HERE IN AMERICA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE IT STAY THAT WAY.

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT, THAT, OR HOW WOULD YOU PROTECT HOME SCHOOLING AS A VIABLE OPTION, EDUCATIONAL OPTION HERE?

>> MR.

BRADY, YOU HAVE A MINUTE.

>> WELL, I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO HOME SCHOOL.

THERE ARE TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT HOME SCHOOL.

ONE HAD A NAME BY THE NAME OF SAM.

SAM WAS HOME SCHOOLED.

HE LIVES A FEW DOORS DOWN.

THE NEXT BLOCK THERE'S ANOTHER YOUNG MAN, AND THEIR PARENTS HAVE THAT RIGHT AND THAT OBLIGATION, IF THEY WISH, TO, TO, BECAUSE THE FIRST OBLIGATION OF WHO EDUCATES THE CHILD IS WITH THE PARENTS, SO LET'S PROTECT THAT.

AND, AND I WILL DO THAT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT, AND WHAT I SEE IS THE HOME SCHOOLERS IN THE STATE OF IDAHO ARE DOING A PRETTY DARN GOOD JOB.

YOU WILL FIND THAT WHEN THEY COME TO COLLEGE OR, OR ENTER, ENTER THE REGULAR HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ARE DOING, DOING, DOING VERY WELL, SO I WOULD PROTECT THAT RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

MR.

DUNLAP, HOME SCHOOLING.

>> HOME SCHOOLERS MAKE UP ABOUT, ABOUT ONE AND A QUARTER PERCENT OF OUR POPULATION, AND YET, THEY MAKE UP 25% OF THE POPULATION OF THE WINNERS OF THE SPELLING BEE, THE MATH AND HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHIC COMPETITIONS.

THIS DISPARITY SAYS WE OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO HOME SCHOOL, GO BACK TO MY $5,000 TAX DEDUCTION.

HOME SCHOOLERS DON'T SPEND ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE $5,000 OR THE $7,000 PER KID WE SPEND IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND YET, THIS IS A HUGE, IMPRESSIVE RESULT.

SO, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE THEM, MY TAX BREAK FOR $5,000 WOULD APPLY TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.

THE HOME SCHOOLERS MIGHT SPEND $1,000 OF THAT, EVEN $2,000 TO GET COMPUTERS AND, AND SOME, SOME SPECIAL SOFTWARE THAT, THAT TEACHES THEM AND SOME OF THE SUBJECTS THAT PARENT CAN'T QUITE FILL IN FOR THEM.

BUT, THAT, I CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE HOME SCHOOLERS TO DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND WE'LL START WITH, WITH YOU, MR.

DUNLAP TO, ANSWER IT.

>> WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE TO ENCOURAGE THE LATINO STUDENTS TO ATTEND THE HIGHER EDUCATION.

>> I DON'T DISCRIMINATE.

I REALLY CAN'T SEE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ANYBODY FOR RACE OR SEX OR, OR, OR ETHNIC BACKGROUND.

NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

I REALLY, REALLY, THE GOVERNMENT HAS EXPANDED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND IT'S GOTTEN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO, TO, TO TAKE A POTTERY CLASS FROM THE POTTER CENTER IN THE DOWNTOWN GARDEN CITY COST $60.

TO TAKE IT FROM B.S.U.

COST $650.

YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOL JUMPS, INTO INTO, LIKE THE COLLEGE SYSTEM OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN MAKE THAT EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

YOU HAVE THE TEXT SCHOOL THAT LASTS 14 MONTHS FROM, FROM ONE OF THE TEXT SCHOOLS, TEXT SCHOOLS AROUND IN BOISE, AND, AND IF YOU DO IT IN A JUNIOR COLLEGE, BY DEFINITION, IT TAKES TWO YEARS BECAUSE EVERY PROGRAM TAKES TWO YEARS, EXACTLY.

THERE'S SOME MAYBE YOU LEARN WELDING IN SIX MONTHS FROM A PRIVATE WELDING SCHOOL.

IF YOU TAKE IT OVER WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, IT'S GOING TO BE A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM.

AGAIN, EVERYTHING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE LATINOS.

>> THANK YOU.

MR.

BRADY.

>> WELL, TED MAKES A GOOD POINT.

AGAIN, THAT, THAT IN OUR FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, STUDENTS CAN GO TO THESE PRIVATE COLLEGES AND CHOOSE TO BE A WELDER IN THAT SYSTEM, AND THAT'S GREAT.

LET, LET THIS GO ON.

BUT I SAY TO YOU THAT WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM THAT IS HALF AS EXPENSIVE AS OUR COLLEAGUES.

THAT WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO PEOPLE OF, OF MORE MODEST MEANS.

IT WOULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE, SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT IT, I'M JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT IT FOR, FOR ONE CLASS OF PEOPLE BUT FOR LATINOS, EVERY PERSON OF EVERY RACE WILL FIND AN ETHNICITY, WILL BENEFIT FROM, FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM.

AND WE ALSO NEED TO, TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE NOT ONLY THE COST, BUT INCREASE THE SCHOLARSHIPS AND INCREASE THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO COLLEGE WITH NO FURTHER ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE AND PRIVATE SOURCES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ONTO OUR NEXT SECTION OF THE DEBATE.

QUESTIONS FROM ARE FROM, FROM THE CANDIDATES TO EACH OTHER.

MR.

DUNLAP, YOU MAY BEGIN WITH A QUESTION FOR MR.

BRADY UNDER 30 SECONDS.

>> THE GOVERNMENT HAS GROWN FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, NO MATTER WHO IS GOVERNOR.

THE COST OF GOVERNMENT, THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO BE GROWING IN THE STATE SO, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU -- PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRESSURES OF THE TAXES, THE PROPERTY TAXES, HOW WOULD YOU KEEP THE COST OF GOVERNMENT DOWN, THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT DOWN?

>> ONE MINUTE, MR.

BRADY.

YEAH.

>> WE NEED A COMPLETE TOP TO BOTTOM REVIEW OF THE COST OF GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE HAD ONE PARTY IN CHARGE NOW FOR, FOR 12 YEARS, AND I THINK WHENEVER A NEW GOVERNOR COMES, IN HE'S GOT TO REVIEW EVERYTHING.

LAST TIME I RAN I TALKED ABOUT A COMMISSION IN TEXAS WHICH SAVED $4 BILLION WHEN, AND WHEN THE GOVERNOR HEARD BACKS HE TALKED ABOUT HIS BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION.

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO REDUCE COSTS.

HE PUT PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS IS WHO WERE FRIENDS OF HIS OR SELECTED PEOPLE, AND THEY CAME UP, BASICALLY, WITH VERY FEW IDEAS TO REDUCE THE COST OF GOVERNMENT, SO YOU NEED AN OUTSIDE PROFESSIONAL EVALUATION OF HOW TO REDUCE OUR COSTS.

WE'RE GOING TO, TO ENTER A TIME, I BELIEVE, OF GREAT STRESS AND, AND OBLIGATION FOR, FOR GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE GOT TO START -- THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO IS REVIEW ALL YOUR EXPENSES.

YOU SEE IF YOU CAN DRIVE THEM DOWN.

YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLY IN MY ADMINISTRATION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU HAVE REBUTTAL, MR.

DUNLAP?

OK.

[LAUGHTER] >> MR.

BRADY, YOU MAY ASK MR.

DUNLAP A QUESTION.

>> YOU KNOW, TED, WHEN I'M ELECTED, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT INCLUDING EVERYBODY WITHOUT REGARD TO PARTY.

LIBERTARIANS, A SMALL PORTION OF OUR POPULATION, AND YET YOU YET WHAT WOULD I, SERGIO GARCIA GOVERNOR, WANTING TO REACH OUT TO EVERYONE AND REPRESENT EVERYONE, WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE ME?

WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST TO ME WITH REGARD TO, TO, TO LIBERTARIANS?

>> WELL, SHOOT, I THINK I'D BE A GREAT EMPLOYEE.

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU COULD PUT ME IN CHARGE OF, OF PUTTING IN A $5,000 TAX DEDUCTION FOR SCHOLARSHIPS OR TUITION.

OR YOU COULD PUT ME IN CHARGE OF THE THREE-PERSON BOARD TO CUT THE PRISON POPULATION BY, BY 60%, FREE UP LAW ENFORCEMENT TO, TO DEAL WITH, WITH VIOLENT CRIME INSTEAD OF, OF CHASING AFTER PEOPLE, WHO WHO AREN'T HURTING ANYBODY BUT THEMSELVES.

>> YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED, TED.

>> DID YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL?

>> YOU BET.

>> I LIKE HIS ANSWER, AND, AND NOT ON THE TAX CREDIT, BUT ON THE REVIEW OF THE PRISON, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA, AND I AM GLAD YOU VOLUNTEERED.

[LAUGHTER] >> MR.

DUNN LAP, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MR.

BRADY ONE MORE QUESTION.

>> WELL, I HAD A CLEVER ONE ONCE UPON A TIME.

SURE.

OK.

IF MINIMUM WAGE IS REALLY AN EFFECTIVE TOOL, THEN, THEN WHY NOT, WHY NOT, WHY NOT A MINIMUM WAGE OF $20 AN HOUR, AND, YOU KNOW, SO I CAN MAKE AN HONEST LIVING WAGE.

I THINK $20 AN HOUR IS A GOOD LIVING WAGE.

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT.

DAN TALKED TO ME ABOUT WORKING'S LEGISLATURE.

I'LL BE GLAD TO GET $7.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT, GETTING A NICE COMPROMISE.

I WILL TELL YOU, HOWEVER, THAT IN AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, THEY HAVE MINIMUM WAGES OF $16, $17 AN HOUR, AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW?

THEY ARE COMPETITIVE ON THE WORLD MARKET.

, SO LET'S NOT BE FRIGHTENED OF INCREASING IT TO $7.

THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO.

IT'S NOT -- IT'S A MORAL ISSUE TO ME.

IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

IT'S A MATTER OF, OF HELPING OUR FAMILIES.

I MEAN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE SO STRESSED, FINANCIALLY.

IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM SOME RELIEF, WE ARE DOING, DOING DAMAGE TO OUR FAMILIES AND, AND TO OUR CHILDREN.

>> DID YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL, MR.

DUNLAP?

>> SURE.

LET'S SAY MY NEIGHBOR COMES OVER TO MY HOUSE, NEIGHBOR KID SEES ME OUT THERE AND SAYS, OH, MY GOSH, THAT OLD GUY RAKING THE LEAVES, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW.

HEY, MR.

DUNLAP, EXCUSE ME, I'LL RAKE THOSE LEAVES FOR $5.

I SAY, OH, JIMMIE, THANKS, MAN.

HERE, HERE'S THE RAKE AND HERE'S $5, AND JIMMIE GOES OUT AND RAKES THE LEAVES FOR $5.

ALONG COMES A THIRD PARTY STROLLING IN AND SAYS WAIT A MINUTE, JIMMIE, HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE YOU?

OH, PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR.

>> OH, THERE DUNLAP, COPS, OFF HE GOES.

THAT'S WRONG.

THAT'S WRONG.

IF TWO PEOPLE AGREE ON A CONTRACT, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A THIRD PARTY COMING IN AND SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR.

BRADY, YOU HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR MR.

DUNLAP.

>> YOU KNOW, TED, I'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT PROTECTING OUR PUBLIC LANDS.

MY OPPONENT HAS FIVE ACRES OF OUR PUBLIC LANDS.

I STOPPED HIM WITH THE HELP OF SPORTSMAN AROUND THE STATE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, TO PROTECT THE WAY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO.

I WONDER IF YOU AGREE WITH ME ABOUT THAT, AND WHAT YOU MIGHT DO TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC LANDS, THAT WE ALL GO ONTO USE TO HUNT AND, AND FISH, AND JUST GO AND PICK HUCKLEBERRIES, I SUPPOSE, IN GRAZEVILLE.

>> IDAHO IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE, AND, AND YES, I MOVED UP TO GRANGEVILLE ONCE I SOLD MY BUSINESS AND HAD THE FREEDOM TO LIVE ANYWHERE IN IDAHO, ANYWHERE I WANTED TO LIVE.

IT'S, IT'S -- IT'S REALLY GORGEOUS.

THE PUBLIC LAND ISSUE IS, IS -- WE HAVE, WE HAVE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO, AND THEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNMENT, THAT THAT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF IDAHO, AND, AND A GOVERNMENT THAT BELONGS TO THE SEVERAL STATES.

50 STATES OWN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT LEGALLY IN OUR CONSTITUTION AND, AND FOLKS, THIS IS A REALLY, A REALLY, REALLY SMALL BOOK.

THIS IS YOUR CONSTITUTION.

THIS IS YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS.

THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES -- THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT OWN IDAHO.

NONE OF THE FEDS DO.

IDAHO OWNS IDAHO.

BY LAW, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STAND FIRM ON THAT LAW.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE TRY NOT TO USE THE PROPS FOR THE RULES DID.

>> OH, THE CONSTITUTION.

>> THAT'S OK.

THAT'S OK.

[LAUGHTER] >> THE CONSTITUTION IS A DECENT PROP, SO, MR.

BRADY, YOU -- >> OK.

>> YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REBUT FOR 30 SECONDS.

>> WELL, UM, I DON'T WISH TO REBUT.

I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD SELL THE PUBLIC LANDS.

I THINK THAT, THAT IF YOU WERE GOVERNOR, I WERE GOVERNOR, WE WOULD DEFEND THE STATE'S RIGHTS AND THE RIGHTS OF OUR, OF OUR CITIZENS TO GO ON THOSE PUBLIC LANDS AND TO ENJOY THEM.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE REASON I'M SUPPORTING A COMPROMISE IN THE VOTE THAT CONGRESS SIMPSON HAS PUT TOGETHER, WHICH WAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO IN THEIR WITH SNOWY SNOWMOBILES OR A.T.V.

'S OR ON DONKEYS OR ON FOOT, AND IN FACT -- >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THAT'S THE END OF MY TIME.

[LAUGHTER] >> AND WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE REPORTER QUESTIONS IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SECOND QUIZ QUESTION.

HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION FOR IDAHO GOVERNOR?

IN THE LAST ELECTION FOR GOVERNOR, 411,000, 411,477 PEOPLE VOTED OUT OF A TOTAL OF 679,000,535 REGISTERED VOTERS, 679,335 REGISTERED VOTERS.

WE'LL MOVE ONTO MORE REPORTER QUESTIONS AND START WITH DAN TO MR.

DUNLAP.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, THERE ARE MILITARY COMMANDERS SAYING THAT WE, WE NEED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF, OF FRESH TROOPS IN IRAQ.

THE PROSPECT OF THE PRESIDENT FEDERALIZING THE NATIONAL GUARD WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD DEAL WITH IF YOU WERE GOVERNOR.

WOULD YOU DO WHATSOEVER YOU HAD IN YOUR POWER AS GOVERNOR TO, TO STOP OR WOULD YOU SUPPORT REDEPLOYMENT OF IDAHO TROOPS IN IRAQ?

>> I WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO EVERYTHING WITHIN MY POWER TO, TO STOP DEPLOYING TROOPS IN IRAQ BECAUSE, BECAUSE CONGRESS HAS NOT DECLARED WAR.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CONSTITUTION, YOU WILL FIND THAT, THAT CONGRESS MUST DECLARE WAR BEFORE THE PRESIDENT BECOMES -- BECOMES, BECOMES THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

SEAS NOT COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

NO MONEY CAN BE SPENT.

NOT $60 BILLION, NO MONEY CAN BE SPENT, NO TROOPS CAN BE SENT LEGALLY UNTIL IT IS DECLARED A WAR.

UNTIL THERE IS A DECLARED WAR, IT IS, IT IS, IT IS -- THE IT IS THE GOVERNOR'S DUTY TO KEEP THOSE TROOPS HOME WHERE THEY BELONG.

>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT?

HOW WOULD YOU STOP THE, THE, THE UNITED STATES MILITARY FROM COMING AND SAYING LIVE LOOK LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE GOING.

>> THE LAW JUST -- I WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT THEM WITH THE CONSTITUTION.

I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO OUTSHOOT THEM.

>> MR.

BRADY, WOULD YOU LIKE A CRACK AT THAT QUESTION?

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE THE PRINCIPAL YOU ARE TRYING TO, TO ADVANCE HERE, BUT, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THE OVERALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR, FOR THE PROSECUTION IS THE PRESIDENT.

I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE GOVERNOR, THE PRESIDENT FEDERALIZE AND TAKE OUR TROOPS TO, TO WAR AGAIN.

SITTING IN THE OFFICE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TODAY IS, IS MY FIRST ASSISTANT WHO HAS BEEN DRIVING ME AROUND THE BETTER PART OF THE YEAR, JUST CAME BACK FROM 116.

WE HAVE PAID OUR PRICE.

WE HAVE DONE OUR JOB.

WE HAVE BEEN GOOD CITIZENS.

I SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM STAY HOME AND WHILE, WHILE I RECOGNIZE THE GOVERNOR, THE PRESIDENT'S OBLIGATION, I WOULD TRY TO PERSUADE HIM FROM DOING THIS.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR PART.

>> THANK YOU.

BETSEY TO, TO MR.

BRADY.

>> MR.

BRADY, MR.

DUNLAP MENTIONED OUR FAST-GROWING PRISON POPULATION, AND, INDEED,¬ IT IS GROWING AT A MUCH FASTER RATE THAN OUR ABILITY TO HOUSE THOSE, EVEN THOUGH THE CRIME RATES HAVE REMAINED LOW THROUGHOUT THIS PERIOD.

IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE INMATES THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE SENT THEM OUT OF STATE.

WE HAVE DOUBLE BUNKED CELLS, WE HAVE TRIED PUTTING THEM IN TENTS.

AS GOVERNOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

SOME.

>> I WENT -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE GOT TIME.

I'VE BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR 19 MONTHS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE THE TIME -- THE LUXURY TO DO IS TALK TO PEOPLE THAT KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO.

I WENT TO TALK TO TOM EAU CLAIRE, THE LAST HEAD OF THE CORRECTION SYSTEMS, AND HERE'S WHAT HE TOLD ME.

HE SAID THE STATE OF UTAH HAS HALF AS MANY PRISONERS PER CAPITA AS IDAHO.

WOULDN'T THAT BE WONDERFUL?

WE CAN DO THAT.

HOW DID THEY DO IT?

THEY STARTED WITH COMMUNITY.

THEY STARTED ON A COMMUNITY LEVEL.

A COMMUNITY SYSTEM OF, OF TAKING CARE OF DRUG TREATMENT, OF INTERDICTION.

OF DIVERSION.

OF HELPING THOSE YOUNG KIDS WHO GET IN TROUBLE GET, GET PUT BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE WAYS THAT UTAH DID IT.

BUT WE SURELY CAN DO BETTER AND, AND IS LET'S DRIVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

I WILL ALSO SAY TO YOU THAT I FAVOR SPECIAL DRUG PRISONS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE OR WHEREVER THE CRIMINAL IS, CAN GO FOR DRUG TREATMENT.

85% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR PRISON ARE ADDICTS TO DRUG OR ALCOHOL.

IF WE DON'T TREAT THEM, WHAT HAPPENS?

THEY COME BACK UPON THE ROLES.

WE HAVE GOT TO -- WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS CYCLE, AND THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

>> THANK YOU, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE, SO I WILL MOVE ON AND HAVE STAN ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

>> AS A LIBERTARIAN WHO WANTS TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES, I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU CAN TELL US WHAT YOUR VIEW OF HOW JOINT RESOLUTION TWO, WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE ONE-MAN, ONE-WOMAN CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, BUT, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, GOES MUCH FARTHER THAN THAT, AND BANS ANY CIVIL UNION OR, OR ANYTHING THAT PROXIMATES MARRIAGE, REGARDLESS OF THE SEX OF THE COUPLE.

THE SEXES OF THE COUPLE.

SO, SO, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.

>> MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MISSY IS OUR BUSINESS.

IT'S NOT GOVERNMENT BUSINESS.

IT'S NOT POLITICAL BUSINESS.

IT IS NOT UP FOR A MAJORITY VOTE.

WE CAN SEEK SANCTION FROM OUR FRIENDS, FROM OUR FAMILY, FROM OUR CHURCH AND OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT IT IS NOT UP TO, TO THE MOB TO TELL US WHETHER WE CAN BE MARRIED OR WHAT OUR RELATIONSHIP CAN BE.

WE HAVE A DEMOCRACY -- A DEMOCRACY IS PEOPLE VOTING ON WHAT'S FOR LUNCH.

WE DO NOT HAVE A DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL REP I PIC.

IT IS FORMED TO PROTECT THE LIFE, RIBT, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

THIS IS NOT UP TO THE MAJORITY VOTE.

HIS I AM ASHAMED THAT OUR STATE HOUSE PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS.

THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

I WILL BE PROUD.

I WILL BE PROUD OF THE VOTERS IF THEY REJECT THIS SOUNDLY NOVEMBER 7.

>> I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.

MR.

BRADY, GO AHEAD.

>> WELL, MY FAITH TEACHES ME THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.

WE HAVE SUCH A LAW ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.

THEREFORE, GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT COMMITTED IN IDAHO, AND I SUPPORT THAT AS THE GOVERNOR.

H.J.R.2 GOES TOO FAR, AND, AND, AND IT DEPRIVATES US OF LIBERTY, SO I AM -- WHAT I AM SAYING TO PEOPLE IS LET'S GET OUR EYE ON THE BALL, AND THAT IS EMPHASIZE TRADITIONAL MARRIAGES, WHICH ARE FAILING, SO I'VE STARTED THE MARRIAGE PROTECTION PLAN, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE RATE OF DIVORCE SUBSTANTIALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR FAMILIES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP?

>> I WOULD LOVE TO ASK MR.

DUNLAP WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THE IDEA OF A STATED-RUN MARRIAGE PROTECTION PLAN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BETSEY RUSSELL.

>> I ESSENTIALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH, BUT ALL IT IS IS, IS MARRIAGE COUNSELING THAT'S BEEN PROVED TO WORK IN A PROGRAM IN IDAHO FALLS.

BARBARA PETTY AND HER HUSBAND, TERRY PETTY, ARE GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE, AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM CALLED MARRIED AND LOVING IT.

AND IT'S A SHORT COURSE, FIVE CLASSES OF TWO HOURS ARE THAT, THAT HAS BEEN PROVED, STATISTICALLY, TO REDUCE THE RATE OF DIVORCE.

IT'S WORKED IN OKLAHOMA.

THERE'S A PROGRAM IN NAPA, WHICH WORKS, AS WELL, AND THERE'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM WHICH WANTS TO HELP FUND THESE CLASSES.

AND WITH THAT FEDERAL PROGRAM, ALL WE'RE DOING IS OFFERING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THESE COURSES.

WE WILL GIVE 60,000 TO 70,000 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE COURSES, AND IT IS ESTIMATED WE CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DIVORCES BY, PERHAPS, 10,000.

NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY WORTH DOING.

>> THANK YOU.

BETSEY.

>> SORRY.

>> COULD I FOLLOW-UP?

>> YOU MAY.

>> THANK YOU.

[LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE A PERFECT 100-YEAR RECORD OF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS GROWING THE STATE GOVERNMENT YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR 100 YEARS.

YOU WANT TO SEE A CHANGE?

VOTE FOR A LIBERTARIAN.

>> THANK YOU.

BETSEY TO MR.

BRADY.

>> MR.

BRADY, FORMER GOVERNOR, THE FORMER GOVERNOR HAS REFORMS IN THE MEDICAID PROGRAM, AND THOSE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INVESTIGATE AND HAD IMPLEMENTED, AND THE FORMER GOVERNOR SAID HIS IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE BETTER HEALTH CARE BUT SPEND LESS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE REFORMS AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON MEDICAID?

>> GENERALLY, I FAVORED WHERE HE WAS GOING.

I FELT THAT WE DO HAVE TO, TO GET A GRIP ON THE MEDICAID EXPENSES.

IF WE DON'T, THE MEDICAID IN PRISON WILL EAT UP ALL OUR EDUCATION BUDGET.

SO I APPROVE OF THEM IN GENERAL.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS -- I WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY.

MY OFFICE IS, IS HERE IN BOISE.

MY CAMPAIGN OFFICE.

THE OTHER DAY, A YOUNG MAN BY THE NAME OF KEVIN CAME IN WITH HIS SON, CAMERON, AND HE SAID TO ME, HE WANTED TO SEEK ME OUT, AND HE SAID MY SON AND I ARE ONE SPIDER BITE AWAY FROM FINANCIAL RUIN.

HE HAD NO HEALTH INSURANCE.

HE WASN'T LIKELY TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE.

HE MADE $10 AN HOUR.

HE COULDN'T AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE.

SO, I THINK THE STATE NEEDS TO, TO FIND EVERY WAY TO EXTEND HEALTH CARE TO YOUNG CHILDREN.

MORE OF THEM WHO ARE JUST OVER THE LINE, THE PARENTS DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE OH, MY GOSH, I MAKE A BUCK TOO MUCH.

WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO LET THEM COST SHARE AND PARTICIPATE IN HEALTH CARE BY EXPANDING THE SYSTEM.

THERE ARE SUCH THINGS GOING ON IN ILLINOIS, AND WE COULD DO IT HERE.

>> WE HAVE HIGHER RATES OF UNINSURED RESIDENTS THAN MANY STATES.

DO YOU WANT ONLY TO EXPAND HEALTH CARE TO CHILDREN OR TO ALL RESIDENTS?

>> OF COURSE NOT.

I WANT TO EXTEND IT TO EVERYONE, BUT IF YOU START WITH THE CHILDREN -- REMEMBER, I SAID DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

IF YOU GET KIDS HEALTHY, THEN THE COST OF THEIR EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS GOES DOWN.

THEIR -- THEY CAN GO TO SCHOOL AND BE ATTENTIVE AND STAY THERE, IMPROVES THEIR EDUCATION.

EVERYTHING BEGINS WITH, WITH GOOD HEALTH.

BUT YES, I'LL TELL YOU ANOTHER STORY IF YOU HAVE TIME FOR IT.

>> VERY LITTLE STORY.

[LAUGHTER] >> THERE ARE, IN THIS STATE, CLINICS AND HEALTH SYSTEMS THAT OFFER PEOPLE ACCESS FOR, FOR $10, $15.

IT'S BASED ON THE ABILITY TO PAY.

TERRY RILEY HERE IN NAPA, BOISE, IS AN EXAMPLE.

THERE ARE 10 OF THEM.

THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO 90,000 PEOPLE.

WE SHOULD EXPAND THEM.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, MEDICAID REFORM.

>> IS 15% OF THE PAYMENTS INTO OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ARE FROM PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.

35% OF THE PAYMENTS INTO OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS FROM PRIVATE INSURANCE.

THE REMAINING 50% ARE GOVERNMENT PAYMENTS.

LET'S PRETEND THAT WE ALL GET OUR GROCERIES THAT WAY, THAT WE PAY 15% AND 85% AS IT IS GIVEN TO US.

LET'S PRETEND OUR AUTOMOBILES ARE BOUGHT THAT WAY.

WE PAY 15%.

85% IS GIVEN TO US.

WE'RE GOING TOHAVE PEOPLE DRIVIG HOME WITH A FERRARI FULL OF CAVIAR.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP US.

THE HEALTH CARE USED TO BE 120 OF OUR ECONOMY AND NOW IT'S 20% OF THE ECONOMY.

IF WE KEEP MEDDLING WITH IT, IF THE GOVERNMENT KEEPS INSULATING PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO PAY AND INSULATING HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS FROM HAVING TO ECONOMIZE, WE'LL SEE THIS EXPLODE UNTIL THE THE AMOUNT IN THE SCHOOLS IS MATCHED BY THE 60% WE'RE PUTTING INTO HEALTH CARE.

>> DAN, WE HAVE A FINAL QUESTION FOR MR.

DUNLAP FIRST.

>> I'M GOING TO MAKE IT TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH ABOUT WATER.

QUICKLY.

>> REAL QUICK.

>> YEAH.

>> TWO BHOINS LEFT.

>> CAN YOU SAY WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH, WITH MR.

BRADY ABOUT, ABOUT NOT REACHING THE, THE DAMS AND THEN, PERHAPS, A MORE ECONOMICS QUESTION, HOW WOULD YOU RESOLVE THE DISPUTE BETWEEN THE, THE SENIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS FROM, FROM THE UPPER SNAKE RIVER PLANE WHERE MR.

BRADY IS FROM AND THE JUNIOR WATER RIGHTS HOLDERS THAT WAS CONFOUNDING POLICYMAKERS?

>> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS ON THE FIRST QUESTION.

>> THE DAM'S ISSUE IS THE DAM SALMON ISSUE IS SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH FOR MANY YEARS, AND IT NEVER REACHES THE END ZONE.

IT IS TIME FOR THE GOVERNOR TO BE DECISIVE, TO FORM A PANEL, HAVE IT TELEVISED, WIDELY PUBLICIZED.

I WANT TO SEE ALL THOSE GUYS IN THE SAME ROOM DUKING IT OUT, AND WHOEVER WINS, I WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE SUPPORTING THEM, WE WILL ALL BE BEHIND THEM.

>> AND THE AQUIFERS.

>> THE AQUIFER, SENIOR WATER RIGHTS IS A MATTER OF LAW.

WE CAN'T JUST TAKE THAT AWAY AND REMAKE THE LAW.

>> MR.

BRADY, ON THE AQUIFER.

>> THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.

, AND WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY THROUGH THIS.

THERE MUST BE, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS RECHARGE THE AQUIFER.

WE HAVE GOT TO PUT MORE WATER IN THE SYSTEM.

AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

THIS, THIS -- THE SNOW IS GOING TO, TO -- THE WATER IS GOING TO COME OFF THE MOUNTAINS EARLIER.

WE'VE GOT TO CAPTURE IT.

WE HAVE GOT TO PUT IT IN THE GROUND SO THERE'S MORE, MORE TO WORK WITH.

SO RECHARGE IS, IS CERTAINLY A FUNDAMENTAL SOLUTION WHETHER YOU ARE UPPER VALLEY OR LOWER VALLEY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CANDIDATES.

IT'S NOW TIME FOR YOUR CLOSING STATEMENTS.

EACH OF YOU HAS A INUTE AND A HALF FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS.

AND MR.

BRADY, YOU MAY GO FIRST.

>> WELL, WE HAVE HAD A GOOD TIME HERE TONIGHT.

I CERTAINLY HAVE ENJOYED, IT TED, BEING HERE, AND I THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND I YOU THIS FOR LISTENING.

WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO HERE, AND YOU SAW THIS, THIS, IN THIS EXCHANGE, WE TRY TO ANSWER COMPLEX QUESTIONS IN 60 SECONDS.

WELL, IT'S NOT THAT EASY.

WHAT YOU REALLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, I HOPE, IN CHOOSING THE NEXT GOVERNOR IS NOT HOW THEY SPARRED IT OUT ON THESE ISSUES, BUT WHAT THEIR VALUES ARE.

I HAVE TALKED IN THIS CAMPAIGN -- I FOUND MYSELF TALKING ABOUT MY DAD.

MY DAD TAUGHT ME SOME, SOME VALUES IS S HONESTY.

FAIRNESS.

AND HONOR.

AND THOSE ARE THINGS WHICH I CANNOT BE MY FATHER'S SON AND NOT FOLLOW THOSE.

ANOTHER THING I WANT YOU TO KNOW IS, IS THAT I, AS I SAID EARLIER, I WON'T BE THE PRO DEMOCRAT OR THE PRO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

I WILL BE THE PRO IDAHO GOVERNOR.

DO WHAT'S BEST.

I WILL TRY TO UNITE THE STATES WITHOUT REGARD TO PARTISAN.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED T THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO, AS THE PRESIDENT SAID, BE A UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER.

YOU KNOW, IN MY HOMETOWN, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A PROGRESSIVE DINNER.

ALL THE CHURCHES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD COME TOGETHER, AND THEY HAVE A MEAL WHERE WE GO ONE PLACE TO ONE PLACE TO ONE PLACE.

WE DO THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER, TO SHOW A MUTUAL SUPPORT.

I THINK WE NEED THAT SPIRIT IN THE GOVERNMENT.

WE NEED TO DO THINGS TO BRING OURSELVES TOGETHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

MR.

BRADY.

NOW IT IS YOUR TURN, MR.

DUNN LAN, FOR A CLOSING COMMENT.

>> I HAVE COMPARED CENSUS DATA TO, TO VOTING REGISTRATION AND VOTING DATA, AND WE HAVE 60% OF THE PEOPLE DON'T VOTE IN OUR ELECTIONS.

SO, IF HALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE HAVE SEEN SOMEONE HERE TONIGHT WORTH VOTING FOR THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT BEFORE, I WANT THEM TO GET OUT AND VOTE.

IF HALF THE PEOPLE THAT NORMALLY VOTE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT VOTE FOR ME, WE WIN BY A LANDSLIDE.

WE COULD HAVE SMALLER GOVERNMENT, INNOVATIVE&PROGRAMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN OFFERED BEFORE.

I WANT TO YOU CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE, WWW.TEDDUNLAP AND CHECK IT OUT.

>> YOU PUT ME IN THE RARE OPPORTUNITY AS MODERATOR OF ENDING A BIT BEFORE TIME, SO I WILL THROW OUT ONE MORE QUESTION TO BOTH OF YOU.

WHAT'S THE LAST BOOK YOU READ, MR.

DUNLAP?

>> THAT'S THE LAST -- WHAT'S THE LAST BOOK?

I THINK THERE WAS -- "UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES" COMES TO MIND.

GREAT BOOK.

OUGHT TO READ IT.

>> UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

MR.

BRADY?

>> I JUST FINISHED A BOOK BY JOHN REMBERS, WHO IS A TEACHER AT A COLLEGE.

MAY NOT BE FULL-TIME NOW, AND HE GREW UP IN A FAMILY THAT, THAT TRAPPED IN STANLEY BASIN, AS A KID, AND IT'S A GREAT STORY.

NOW THE REST OF THE STORY IS HE GOES BACK TO THERE NOW, AND HE'S SORT OF ANGUISHED ABOUT THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN.

HE REMEMBS WHAT IT'S LIKE AND IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK.

IT'S CALLED "TRAP LINES."

>> AND FOR MR.

BRADY, FIRST, WHO IS YOUR POLITICAL ROLE MODEL?

>> YOU KNOW, I HAVE SAID THOMAS JEFFERSON AT TIMES.

I HAVE SAID JIMMY CARTER AT TIMES.

BUT REALLY, I THINK THE GREATEST MAN IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS ABRAHAM LINCOLN BECAUSE IT JUST STARTS WITH WHO THE MAN WAS AND WHAT HE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME OF GREATEST STRESS.

>> MR.

DUNLAP, YOUR POLITICAL ROLE MODEL?

>> GOODNESS, LET ME CHEAT AND GO BACK TO THE REAL LINCOLN BY THOMAS DEALONZO, TRY IT OUT SOME TIME, AND JEFFERSON, THOSE GUYS, GOOD GUYS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS.

CONCLUDES OUR FINAL DEBATE NOT ONLY OF THE GENERAL ELECTION SEASON BUT ALSO THE PRIMARY ELECTION SEASON.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

THEY STARTED EIGHT MONTHS AGO WITH THE PRIMARY ELECTION DEBATES, AND NOW ARE CONCLUDING.

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IT'S KATU.COM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT HELP PUT ON THE DEBATES YOU THAT CAN'T SEE.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM ALL.

THANK THE CANDIDATES FOR SHOWING UP AND THE REPORTER PANEL AND THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN ONCE AGAIN TO THE IDAHO DEBATES.

PLEASE, PLEASE EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7.

I'M MARSHALL FAULK.

GOOD NIGHT.