WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY TONIGHT."

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING us TONIGHT, A PREVIEW THE 2022 ELE TOMORROW IS ELECTION DAY, THOUG THOUSANDS OF KENTUCKIANS HAVE ALREADY VOTED BY ABSENTEE BALLO OR DURING THE THREE-DAY EARLY VOTING PERIOD.

WE'RE ELECTING A U.S.

SENATOR, MEMBERS OF THE U.S. HOUSE, AND MEMBERS OF THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

AND MORE.

WILL REPUBLICANS ADD TO THEIR SUPERMAJORITIES IN THE TWO CHAM THERE ARE MAYORS RACES IN OUR TWO LARGEST CITIES.

AND VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO ADD TO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO THE KENTUCKY const TO DISCUSS ALL THESE INTERESTIN RACES, WE ARE JOINED IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO BY: BOB HELERINGER, A LOUISVILLE ATTORNEY, FORMER KENTUCKY STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND OPINION CONTRIBUTOR TO THE COURIER-JOUR MIKE WARD, A FORMER CONGRESSMAN FOR KENTUCKY'S 3RD DISTRICT AND DEMOCRAT FROM LOUISVILLE.

REBECCA HARTSOUGH, SENIOR POLIC ADVISER FOR BABBAGE COFOUNDER.

AND MORGAN EAVES, ATTORNEY, FORMER ADVISER AND LIAISON FOR GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR AND AN EDUCATION CONSULTANT.

OF COURSE WE WANT TO HEAR WITH YOU, SO SENSED YOURS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY twitter TWITTER OR USE THE WEB FORM AT KET.ORG/ OR YOU CAN CALL 1-800-494-7605.

SO TWO OF KENTUCKY'S MOST INTERESTING RACES AREN'T FOR FEDERAL OFFICES.

THEY ARE FOR THE TOP JOBS IN THE STATE'S TWO BIGGEST CITIES.

LOUISVILLE WILL LOOK AT THE A NEW FACE TO THE NAIR MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010 AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LOOK AT THE THE FIRST REPUBLICAN TO THE OFFICE SINCE THE 1960s.

LEXINGTON'S MAYORAL RACE IS A BATTLE BETWEEN THE INCUMBENT MAYOR AND ONE THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTES.

AND RACES MIRROR EACH OTHER WITH THE MOST TALKED ABOUT ISSUES, CRIME AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

OUR CASE PARKER-BELL SPOKES TO REPORTERS HAD TO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THESE RACES SINCE THE BEGIN ABOUT WHAT TO LOOK FOR AS THE RESULTS START TO ROLL IN SOMER NIGHT.

>> Casey: LOUISVILLE'S CAMPAIGN FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WILL BE DECIDED TOPPER NIGHT.

BILL DUR AFTER IS THE.

HE IS CURRENTLY THE MAYOR OF JEFFERSTON.

MEDICATED IN METRO LOUISVILLE.

AND THE DEMOCRAT IS GREG GREENBURGH AN ATTORNEY BEST KNOWN AS THE ENFORCEMENTER CEO OF 21 CITY HOTELS.

>> I BELIEVE IN FEWER GUNS ON OUR STREET, NOT MORE.

>> ANYBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS OR THAT IS WATCH UNDERS WE ALL WANT ILLEGAL GUNS OFF.

>> Renee: THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN THE NUMBER ONE USUAL.

>> FOR DUR AFTER ESPECIALLY HE'S KIND OF HAPPENED INTO THIS.

HE GOT TO NOMINATION OF THE FOP'S PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL WHICH REPRESENTS ALL OF THE POLICE UNIONS AS WELL AS THE UNION REPRESENTING CORRECTIONS OFFICERS AT THE COUNTY JAIL, AND DURING HIS SPEECH HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW THERE WERE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE AFRAID TO EVEN GO GROCERY SHOPPING OR AFRAID TO EVEN GO OUT TO THEIR CAR BECAUSE OF THE INCREASING GUN VIOLENCE AND THE INCREASE IN CARJACKINGS, SO I THINK DUR HALF HAS REALLY LEANED INTO THIS BUT AT THE SAME TIME SO HAS GREENBERG.

A BIG PART OF HIS PLAN HAS BEEN FULLY FUNDING POLICE OFFICERS.

>> Renee: GREEN BLOOMBERG HAS ALSO PROMISED DISABLED CONFISCATED FIREARMS BEFORE TURNING THEM OVER TO STATE POLICE.

LOUISVILLE HAS HAD TWO STRAIGHT ORPHEUS RECORD BREAKING GUN VIOLENCE IN 2020 AND 2021, AND AS ELECTION DAY HAS GROWN CLOSER.

THE ATTACKS BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES HAS GOTTEN SHARPER.

>> IT'S GOT A LITTLE MORE FEIST TEP GREENBERG HAS RELEASED TELEVISION ADS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT DURAFF IS AN EXTREMIST AND TAKES MONEY FROM ABORTION EXTREMISTS.

>> YOU'RE ABOUT TO CHOOSE BETWEEN TWO VERY DIFFERENT DINERS MAYOR.

BILL DUR AVENUE WANTS GUNS OFF THE STREETS AND IS WEEKEND ABOUT A ABORTION EXTREMISTS.

>> HE WAS HAS I HAD TO TRUE TIE HIM TO LOUISVILLE MAYOR GREG FISCHER AND WHAT HE SAYS SEES A SOME OF HIS FAILURES WHEN MY OPPONENT IS ONLY REPRESENTED THE ELITE.

HE WANTS TO DISPLAY RACIST HEART IF HIS HOTEL OVER A YEAR.

>> Renee: IN LEXINGTON THE MAIN ISSUE ECHO LOUISVILLE.

THE CANDIDATES OF SPENT THE BULK OF THEIR TEAM TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE AT THE CITY AS INCREASING LEVEL OF VIOLIN CRIME.

LEXINGTON'S RACE IS BIPARTISAN IT'S BETWEEN.

>> CRIME HAS BEN A HUGE ISSUE ESPECIALLY SINCE MAY BECAUSE LIGHTNING HAS SEEN AN INCREASE IN HOMICIDES BEE GORDON AND LOBBY ARE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TACKLE HOMICIDES.

GORDON REALLY WANTS TO FOCUS MORE ON INTERVENTION EFFORTS, FOCUS ON YOUTH AND ALSO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SOMETHING THAT SHE JUST ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK.

KLOIBER REALLY WANTS TO PUSH GROUP VIOLENCE INTERVENTION WHICH IS A DIFFERENT MODEL.

>> LEXINGTON TIED ITS HIGHEST EVER HOMICIDE COUNT FOR A YEAR IN SEPTEMBER.

>> THE OVERALL TERM WOULD BE FEISTY.

WE GENERALLY DON'T SEE THAT IN THESE NON-PARTISAN LEXINGTON RACES.

AND SO THESE TWO HAVE REALLY KIND OF GONE AT EACH OTHER ON VARIOUS ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE CRIME, KLOIBER'S WEALTH.

>> YOU'RE USED TO A TRUST FUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILY'S TRUST FUND.

>> THE MAYOR'S BUDGET.

>> IT'S NOT THE MAYOR'S JOB TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

IT'S THE MAYOR'S JOBS TO DIRECT PLANNING.

>> AND THERE'S ANN ABOUT A OF THE BACK-AND-FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO OF HEM.

>> WE WILL SEE WHO WILL RUN KENTUCKY'S TWO BIGGEST CITIES TOMORROW NIGHT ON.

CONTEST I'M CASEY PARKER-BELL.

>> Renee: THANK YOU, CASEY.

LET'S START THERE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WITH THE MAYOR'S RACES.

SO LET'S START WITH LOUISVILLE FIRST SINCE WE'VE GOT LOUISVILLEANS.

I'LL START WAUGH MEMBER HER HELLO RINGER.

GOOD TO SEW YOU.

>> NICE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING BESIDES GAMBLING.

[LAUGHTER] >> WE CAN BRING THAT UP IF YOU WANT BUT MAYBE THAT'LL BE A SUBSEQUENT SHOW.

>> MIKE AND I ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU PUTTING US OLDER PEOPLE ON THE AIR TONIGHT.

>> REPRESENTATION MATTERS.

>> WE WANT YOUR VIEWERS TO KNOW WE ARE STILL ON TOP OF OUR GAME.

>> WHAT IS OLD?

>> I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN WHERE YOU PARKED MY CAR.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

WE'LL HELP YOU ON THE WAY OUT.

YOU DO KNOW ABOUT THE UFL LOO MAYOR'S RACE THOUGH.

>> YES.

>> TELL US ABOUT THE DYNAMICS, THE ISSUES WE HEARD CASEY PARKER-BELL SET UP.

IS IT ALL ABOUT CRIME AND PUBLIC SAFETY?

>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT CHANGE.

I THINK LOUISVILLE IS READY FOR A CHANGE.

THE LAST TWO YEARS JUST BEEN HORRIBLE FOR OUR CITY.

IT'S STILL A GHOST TOWN DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK AS THE DOWNTOWN CENTER GOES, SO GOES THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NIL.

WE'VE GOT A TERRIBLE RACE RELATIONS PROBLEM, A HORRIBLE CRIME PROBLEM, OUT-OF-CONTROL, HOMICIDES ARE UP ERR YEAR, AND WEED -- EVERY YEAR AND WE NEED A FRESH START, AND I THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE TOMORROW ARE GOING TO VOTE WHO NORMALLY WOULD VOTE DEMOCRAT ARE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR GOVERNOR -- I MEAN, FOR MAYOR TO BILL DURAF BECAUSE HEIRS AMAN WHO LAST RUN THE SECOND LARGEST CITY, VERY POPULAR MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, DONE A GOOD JOB WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

TIS AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN J-TOWN IS CLOSE TO HIM.

HE HAS A VERY ACTIVE VIETNAMESE COMMUNITY IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTY.

THEY'RE VERY LOYAL TO HIM.

HE'S A VERY COLLABORATIVE GUY, AND I DON'T THINK HE'S THE TYPE OF REPUBLICAN AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT HE IS ON SOME IDEOLOGICAL AGENDA HERE.

HE JUST WANT TO RUN A GOOD CITY AND MAKE PROGRESS AND MAKE LOUISVILLE AGAIN ONE OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN AMERICA.

WE JUST HAVE GOT TO MAKE A BREAK FROM THE PAST, AND BILL DURAF REPRESENTATIVES THAT BREAK, HI.

>> SO MIKE WARD, IS THIS A REFERENDUM ON GREG FISCHER WHO IS NOT ABLE TO RUN AND HOW THAT GOING TO HURT OR HELP CREATING GREENBERG?

>> WHAT HAPPENS IS TAKING LOUISVILLE IN A NEW DIRECTION, AND THAT'S CLEAR, THAT IS CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT, BUT HIRING A NEW MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN A MAYOR ALREADY FOR 12 YEARS, HE WAS ON THE COUNCIL FOR YEARS BEFORE THAT, THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS HARDLY A NEW DIRECTION.

CRAIG GREENBERG COMES PRESIDENT PRIVATE SECTOR BUT HAS BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN OTHER COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

A GREAT EXAMPLE, HE STOOD UP TO JIM RAMSEY WHEN JIM RAMSEY WAS RUNGE THE UNIVERSITY OF -- RUNNING THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE AND DOING IT IN A VERY, VERY OPAQUE AND UN-- AND CLOSED WAY.

SO GRAYING KREN BERG KNOWS WHAT TO DO WITH A LARGE INSTITUTION.

IN FACT, IT'S FUNNY TO WATCH THE MAYOR OF JEFFERSONTOWN TALK ABOUT HIS MANAGING THIS LARGE ORGANIZATION WHEN ACTUALLY THE COMPANY THAT CRAIG GREENBERG CREATED AND RAN HAS LIKE THREE TIMES THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT THE CITY OF JEFFERSONTOWN HAD.

SO CRAIG GREENBERG IS GOING TO BE A NEW DIRECTION, IS GOING TO WIN TOMORROW, AND I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE BEEN PART OF HIS CAMPAIGN.

>> BUT RACE DOES SEEM TO BE TIGHTENING THERE.

THAT'S BEEN LATEST WORD, THAT PERHAPS AT THE BEGINNING PEOPLE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A SWEEP FOR MR. GREENBERG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MR. DURAF IS GIVING HIM A RUN FOR HIS MONEY.

>> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HEARD IN THE PRIMARY WHERE HE WON BY 42 TO 22 PERCENTAGE POINT WITH TWO OTHER CANDIDATES IN THE RACE SO I FEEL JUST FINE BECAUSE, REMEMBER, REPUBLICANS INVEST WITH.

NOW, WE HAVE ALWAYS HEARD THAT.

IT'S A GOOD THING.

REPUBLICANS INVEST.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T INVESTED IN BILL DURAF AND I THINK THE REASON IS THEY DON'T SEE HIM AS A GOOD INVESTMENT, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO JUST FINE.

>> LET'S MOVE TO LEXINGTON AND WE'LL GET THE LADIES INVOLVED HERE TALKING ABOUT THE LEXINGTON RACE.

YOU BOTH ARE VERY FAMILIAR.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, REBECCA?

>> IT'S CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC.

THE SAME SORT OF THEMES ARE HAPPENING HERE.

PUBLIC SAFETY.

WEAVED AN UPTICK IN CRIME IN LEXINGTON AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN.

A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT IN THIS RACE.

KLOIBER HAS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

>> OF HIS OWN MONEY.

>> EXACTLY.

IT'S GIVEN MAYOR GORDON JUST A CHALLENGE THERE IN TERMS OF FINANCIALS.

BUT I DO FEEL, AND MOST PEOPLE FEEL THAT SHE IS GOING TO PULL THIS AUN OFF AND STILL WIN.

>> SHE DID DO SOMETHING UNEXPECTED AND THEN IT ALSO CAUSED THE CHALLENGER TO DO SAME AND THAT WAS COME OUT EDUCATIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 ON ABORTION.

>> YES, YES.

CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING WAY TO GO ABOUT THINGS.

>> POLITICALLY?

THE CALCULUS ON THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A GOOD MOVESOME.

>> I THINK SHE KNOWS HER CITY AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A CONCERN THERE CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF THE BAUER AREA AND WHAT TURNOUT IS GOING TO THERE SO HAD I WAS ALLOCATED MOVE ON HER PART.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK, MEGAN?

>> I AGREE.

I THINK MAYOR GORTON IS GOING TO BE THE ULTIMATE VICTOR TOMORROW AND I THINK THE REASON IS BECAUSE SHE HAS SHOWN THAT SHE'S ABLE TO MANAGE A CITY, EFFECTIVE WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES OF CRIME SIMILAR TO LOUISVILLE THAT HAS POPPED UP, SHE'S SHOWN HER WILLING NOS.

TO COME TO THE TABLE.

DO I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT SHE HAS HAD A YOUNGER, SORT OF LESS INEXPERIENCED CHALLENGER BECAUSE I DON'T YOU THIS SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNCHALLENGED.

IT'S A GREAT STOMPING GROUND FOR HER CHALLENGER MO TO MAYBE STEP UP NEXT RACE, GET SOME CAMPAIGN EXPERIENCE AND HE'S GOT A LOT OF NAME I.D.

ON THIS RACE.

HE'S EARNED HIS KEEP.

AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE DECIDES TO RUN AGAIN.

BUT THANK YOU MAYOR GORTON IS GOING TO BE THE ULTIMATE VICTOR AND I AGREE WITH BREAK.

HER STANCE ON CONSTITUTIONAL AMOUNTED FUSH 2 WAS A GOOD POLITICAL PLAY BECAUSE SHE IS APPEALING TO THOSE MORE LIBERAL FOLKS IN HER CITY THAT MAYBE WERE QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR HER OR NOT.

>> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.

WE'LL START WITH 2 SINCE THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ON BOOKER THAT WOULD SAY THERE'S NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT ON AN ABORTION IN KENTUCKY OR THE FUNDING OF IT.

SO LET'S GO TO YOU, MR. WARD.

YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT'S THE OVER/UNDER ON THIS?

DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES OR DO YOU THINK IT COULD ACTUALLY WIN, BECOME VICTORIOUS?

>> THE WAY I'M ALONG AT IT IS FROM A LOUISVILLE STANDPOINT.

WE HAVE BEEN THE PLACE OF LAST RESORT FOR WOMEN WHO NEED AN ABORTION, AND YOU CAN'T DO IT NOW.

WE HAVE THE MOST EXTREME LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ONE THAT INCIDENTAL BILL DURHAFF THAT YOU JUST HEARD IS IN SUPPORTIVE OF.

THE NOTION THAT A REPUBLICAN CAN RUN NOW AND NOT BE AN EXTREME NATIONAL REPUBLICAN JUST OFF THE TABLE.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PLAYBOOK OR THEIR REPUBLICAN BASE WON'T VOTE FOR THEM.

SO AMENDMENT 2 SHOULD BE VOTED AGAINST.

I'VE GOT A SIGN IN MY YARD, NO ON 2, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GIVE WOMEN THE RIGHT TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON THEIR OWN.

WE THAN THE CAN'T HAVE A STATE, IT'S EMBARRASSING TO BE IN A STATE WHERE A 12-YEAR-OLD RAPE VICTIM MOST LIKELY BY SOMEONE IN HER HOUSEHOLD HAS TO CARRY THAT TERM -- THAT BABY TO TERM.

THAT'S JUST WRONG AND EXTREME.

>> I WANT TO GO TO YOU, MR. HELL I RINGER BECAUSE THE FORMER -- HELERINGER BECAUSE FORMER CHAIR OF JEFFERSONTOWN PARTY BILL STONE CALLED AMENDMENT NUMBER 2, GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, TOO MUCH.

DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM.

>> >> NO, I DON'T, ALTHOUGH I USUALLY AGREE WITH BILL.

GREAT GUY.

GREAT FORMER CHAIRMAN OF OUR PARTY.

BUT I'M PROUD TO HAVE BEEN A LEGISLATOR DURING THE 80s AND '90 WHEN WE PASSED A LOT OF PRO-LIFE LEGISLATION.

KENTUCKY IS PROUD TO BE ONE OF THE MOST PRO-LIFE STATES IN THE UNION.

WE BELIEVE IN THE SANCTITY OF LIFE.

WE BELIEVE IN PROTECTING THE LIVES OF UNBORN BABIES FROM BEING KILLED.

AND ALL THE AMENDMENT DOES IS SAY THAT THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

AND SO THAT PREVENTS SOME ACTIVIST JUDGE SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE FROM FINDING THAT.

THAT'S HOW ROE VERSUS WADE CAME ABOUT.

THE SUPREME COURT, SEVEN JUSTICES SAYS IT'S A PO NUMB BRA AS WILLIAM DOUGLAS CALLED IT, IT EM YDSTIE NATES FROM THESE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS OF THE IN BILL OF RIGHTS.

IT'S NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

AND THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S -- THAT NO JUDGE COVER FIND THAT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THAT WOULDN'T PREVENT FUTURE LEGISLATURES, IF THE DEMOCRAT EVER TOOK OVER -- RETOOK THE LEGISLATURE OVER, CONTROL OF IT, PARTISAN CONTROL, THEY COULD PASS BILLS ALLOWING ABORTION UP TO THEMO BIRTH.

THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WOULDN'T STAND IN THE WAY OF THAT.

BUT I THINK, I'M HOPING IT PASSES.

I DON'T THINK WILL IT PASS IN LOUISVILLE OR FAYETTE COUNTY, BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL FOLLOW THE PATTERN OF OTHER STATEWIDE ELECTIONS THAT -- THAT THE RURAL VOTE AND THE VOTE OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO COUNTIES WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY IN FAVOR OF RATIFYING AMENDMENT NUMBER 2.

>> THE BALLOT POSITIONING, MORGAN EAVESSEST EAVES, TO CHANGE MAYBE THE OUTAM COULD, RIGHT?

IT'S AFTER THE 744 PROPOSED AMENDMENT ON GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSIONS.

SO, AND IT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY BALLOT.

I DID EARLY VOTING ON SATURDAY AND I TOOK MY TIME.

I WAS IN THERE LONGER THAN THE TWO MINUTES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE BALLOT, RIGHT?

SO WHAT DO YOU THINKSOME DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL GET FATIGUED AND WON'T GET AROUND TO IT OR IS THERE SENTIMENT THAT THIS GOES TOO FARSOME.

>> I THINK THERE'S ABSOLUTELY SENTIMENT THAT IT GOES TOO FAR.

AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 IS REALLY A DRACONIAN MEASURE THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE POWER OF WOMEN TO MAKE THEIR OWN AMERICA DECISIONS AND PUT IN IT HANDS PARTISAN ELECTED POLITICS WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHO I WANT TO BE MAKING MY HEALTH CARE DECISIONS.

THE GOP BILLS THEMSELF AS A PARTY THAT PROMOTES LESS GOVERNMENT, LESS RED TAPE, LESS BUREAUCRACY.

IF THAT'S CASE, THEN THEY SHOULD STAY OUT OF MY HEALTH CARE DECISIONS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

ACTUALLY THERE IS AN OP ED IN THE COURIER-JOURNAL THAT SAID THAT'S WHERE THOSE DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF KENTUCKIANS, ACCORDING TO POLLING, SUPPORT AT LEAST SOME EXEMPTIONS TO ABORTION, AND IF WE REMOVE THAT CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION, WE REMOVE THAT PROTECTION FOR WOMEN AND FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND FOR FAMILIES, I THINK WOMEN AND FAMILIES ACROSS KENTUCKY ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 2.

>> REBECCA HARTSOUGH, WHAT DO YOU THINKSOME.

>> I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE GOING TO SEE A RURAL AND URBAN DIVIDE, AND HE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

IN LOUISVILLE AND URBAN AREAS IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO FAIL BUT IN THE MORE RURAL AREAS IT'S GOING TO PASS.

THAT'S WHERE MARGIN LINE IS.

IS IT GOING TO TURN OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO UPHOLD IT OR IS IT GOING TO GO TOWN?

AND CERTAINLY ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO PLAY OUT AND SEE, BUT IT'S -- I THINK MOST ARE CONCERNED, AGREE THAT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S GOING TO GO.

>> AND THEN THE KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT ON NOVEMBER 15th ACTUALLY TAKES UP A CASE, RIGHT?

SO WE'LL SEE -- >> I'M SURE THAT'S SHEER COINCIDENCE.

[LAUGHTER] >> COMPLETELY.

>> THE SCHEDULING OF THAT DATE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

NOTHING TO BE READ INTO THAT AT ALL.

>> IT'S THE DATE THEY HAPPENED TO HAVE OBJECT SIMPLE RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING, RIGHT.

SO NOW LET'S GO RIGHT BACK UP TO THE TOP OF THE BALLOT.

U.S. SENATE RACE.

ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW TIME READING TOO MUCH INTO IT 1 MIKE WARD, BUT CHARLES BOOKER IS HAVING A SEPARATE ELECTION NIGHT MED QUARTER EVENT FROM WHERE YOU MAY BE FROM CRAIG GREENBERG AND MORGAN McGARVEY.

WHAT CAN WE TAKE AWAY FROM THAT?

WHAT DOES THAT SIGNAL?

>> I DON'T THINK IT SIGNALS A THING.

I THINK IT SIGNALS A PLAN FOR A DIFFERENT PARTY.

>> BETTER DEAL.

>> WELL, IT'S AT THE ALLIE CENTER AND IT'S NOT NAPPY ROOTS.

IT'S DIFFERENT KIND OF CELEBRATION.

AND I DON'T -- I'VE BEEN INVOLVED DEEPLY WITH ALL THE CAMPAIGNS.

I KNOW BIANCA, THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR CHARLES BOOKER, AND SHE HAS WORK WITH US.

WE HAVE WORK WITH THEM.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PIECE THAT WE'RE HANDING OUT DOOR TO DOOR, WE'VE DONE A COORDINATED CAMPAIGN IN JEFFERSON COUNTY FOR ALL THE FIELD OPERATIONS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MOUNT RUSHMORE, WELL, EXCEPT THAT IT'S CHARLES BOOKER, CRAIG GREENBERG, MORGAN McGARVEY AND VENA WARD PUGH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PASSING OUT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO CHARLES IS -- >> SO ANOTHER NOT DIVIDED BASED ON WHO IS THE VICTOR AND WHO IS THE LOSER.

AS FAR AS WHOEVER THAT WOULD BE.

>> GOODNESS NO.

IT'S -- WELL, IT WAS THEIR PLAN.

IF YOUR PREMISE WAS CORRECT, OUR PLAN OF HAVING A GAULT HOUSE EVENT WITH MORGAN AND CRAIG AND TINA, WELL, I WOULD REMEMBER THAT WE SAID, BUT WE'RE NOT INVITING CHARLES, AND WE NEVER SAID THAT.

IN FACT, WE KIND OF FOUND OUT ABOUT CHARLES' EVENT IN A SURPRISING WAY.

>> OH THERE'S NO DISSENSION, RIGHT?

I MEAN, IS MR. BOOKER DISSATISFIED WITH HOW THE OTHER CAMPAIGNS ARE GOING OR █HOW HE'S BEING TREATED BY THE KENTUCKY DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

>> I SURE HOPE NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED EVERY DAY WITH CHARLES, WITH BIANCA, WITH A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED IN HIS CAMPAIGN.

WHEN YOU SEE A YARD WITH OUR SIGN IN IT, YOU'LL SEE A BOOKER SIGN.

I'VE GOT BOOKER SIGNS IN MY -- I HAVE A CONVERTIBLE SO IT MAKES LIFE SO MUCH EASIER FOR YARD SIGNS BECAUSE YOU JUST GRAB THEM AND I HAVE BOOKER SIGNS IN MY BACKYARD ALONG -- >> THAT'S INCLUDED IN MIKE'S CONTRACT.

>> I'M NOT GETTING PAID FOR THAT.

>> NO.

>> THEY WANTED -- THE DEMOCRATS WANTED TO HAVE ONE PARTY IN THE HOOD AND ANOTHER PARTY IN THE HOLLER, SO THAT'S REASON FOR TWO LOCATIONS.

>> OUR PARTIES BEING HELD CLOSE ENOUGH TOGETHER THAT WE CAN HOLLER AND THEY'LL HEAR.

[LAUGHTER] >> WOW.

>> NOW, CHARLES, WHO I KNOW, NICE GUY, BUT HE WANTED TO HAVE IT AT RATTERMAN'S BUT IT WAS UNAVAILABLE THAT MIGHT.

>> NOW, YOU SEE, THAT'S A REFERENCE THAT PEOPLE IN KENTUCKY AREN'T GOING TO GET.

>> IT'S A FUNERAL HOME.

>> BOB -- ACTUALLY, I HAVE TO MENTION -- RESPOND TO SOMETHING BOB SAID EARLIER.

YES, PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME, BUT BOB IS A SUBURBANITE.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S A FAIR DESCRIPTIONSOME.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CLASSIFY ST. MATTHEW'S, MIC.

>> IT IS SUBURBS.

>> SOMEWHERE A LITTLE RIGHT TO THE HIGHLAND.

>> WHEN DID YOU MOVE IN?

I LIVE IN THE HIGHLAND.

>> I GREW UP THERE.

>> IN THE DEER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'LL TELL YOU WE'RE IN THE CITY.

ANYBODY WHO ASKS WHAT PART OF TOWN YOU LIVE IN, I LIVE IN THE CITY.

WE ARE NOT SCARED.

I AM DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME.

LOUISVILLE IS A SAFE, WONDERFUL CITY.

YOU CAN'T GET A RESERVATION TO GO TO DISTILLERY TOURS.

THEY'RE BOOKED UP.

THIS NEGATIVE -- >> SHOOTINGS VERSUS NON-FATAL SHOOK, THAT IS DOWN FROM LAST YEAR?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO GET IN -- >> HOMICIDES.

THAT'S OKAY.

DEPENDS WHERE YOU GO, I GUESS.

>> REMEMBER, CRAIG GREENBERG IN THE CAMPAIGN I'M WORKING WOULD WITH MORGAN McGARVEY.

I'M DOING BOTH FOR A LOT OF TIME.

AND CRAIG WAS SHOT AT, SO I AM NOT EVER, EVER GOING TO DISMISS ANY KIND OF CRIME OR ITS SEVERITY OR ITS IMPACT NOT JUST ON THE IMMEDIATE VICTIM BUT ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND.

WILL WERE FOUR OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM WITH HIM WHEN THE FELLOW OPENED FIRE, BUT LOUISVILLE IS NOT SOME KIND OF BURNING CITY WITH THE WAY THE REPUBLICANS ARE PLAYING THESE ADS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE STATE REP SECTION OF THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AND IT TICKS ME OFF BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT THE LOUISVILLE I KNOW.

>> BUT THAT'S THE FEDERAL PLAYBOOK, RIGHT?

THAT'S HAPPENING IN CONTESTS ACROSS THE NATION, BOB HELERINGER, THAT FEDERALIZED TALKING ABOUT CRIME AND -- >> YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ACROSS THE COUNTRY TOMORROW THAT WE BIC UP GOVERNORSHIPS.

WE PICK UP MAYORS IN STATE AFTER STATE AFTER STATE WHERE CRIME IS RAMPANT BE WITH CRIME IS UP.

PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.

AND TO SAY THAT LOUISVILLE IS A SAFE CITY WHEN THEIR OWN MAYORAL CANDIDATE WAS ALMOST ASSASSINATED, IS JUST LAUGHABLE.

IT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST IN LOUISVILLE BUT ALL OVER COUNTRY, AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

I MEAN, TO SAY THAT WE MIGHT WIN THE GOVERNORSHIP IN OREGON IS -- BUT WE'RE ONE POINT AHEAD THERE.

I MEAN, ONE OF THE BLUEST STATES IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

SO PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO CRACK DOWN ON CRIME AND FAVOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT TRY TO DEFUND IT, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT HOW THE PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THIS TOMORROW.

>> WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IN TERMS OF A VICTORY FOR RAND PAUL?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE -- FOR RAND PAULSOME.

>> FOR RAND PAUL.

>> OH, YEAH.

WHEN YOU SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SENATE RACE -- >> THE MARGIN OF VICTORY IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.

>> THE RACE WAS OVER BASICALLY WHEN CHARLES BOOKER FILED.

OKAY?

IT WAS OVER.

WE'RE A VERY REPUBLICAN STATE IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.

RAND PAUL WAS NEVER IN ANY KIND OF TROUBLE.

I'VE ABOUT AN TOLL HE'S WITHIN 9 POINTS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, WHICH IS ASTOUNDING, IF TRUE, AND SO BOOKER JUST NEVER CAUGHT ON.

HE NOW ALREADY, BEFORE THE ELECTION IS OVER, IS BLAMING HIS OWN PARTY, THEY DON'T BACK HIM ENOUGH.

WELL, POLITICAL PARTIES AREN'T CHARITIES.

YOU'VE GOT TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN FUNDRAISING, YOU'RE WITHIN POINTS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BATTLING, AND YOU'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.

AND HE'S NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

IN HIS RACE, AND SO I THINK IT WILL BE QUITE A LANDSLIDE FOR MANY FOR MANY FOR SENATOR PAUL.

>> TO YOU, MORGAN EAVES, BUT DEMOCRATS A ABILITY TO FIELD CANDIDATES, AND THE GOVERNOR WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS AT A PRESS CONFERENCE LAST THURSDAY, IS THAT A REFLECTION ON HIM IN THESE CONGRESSIONAL RACES AND THE U.S. SENATE RACE THE, THAT DEMOCRATS JUST AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH.

YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT.

>> SO YOU ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE FEDERAL PLAYBOOK, WHETHER THE MESSAGING IS PART OF THE FEDERAL PLAYBOOK AND FOR THAT I ANSWER YES.

RAIN FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE IN 2018.

YOU CAN PUT THE ATTACK MAILERS THEY USED AGAINST ME NEXT TO ONE TODAY AND IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME.

WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPONENT THAT CAMPAIGNS ON MISINFORMATION, THAT SEEK TO STRIKE FEAR INTO PEOPLE RATHER THAN ARMING THEM WITH FACTS, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO RUN.

YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE CANDIDATES THE GOP HAS FIELDED.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE I WOULD BRAG ABOUT THEM.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN -- THAT HAVE PLEAD GUILTY TO ATTEMPTING TO ASSAULT A POLICE OFFICER, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE I WOULD GO ON TV BRAGGING ABOUT HOW GREAT YOU ARE AT RECRUITING CANDIDATES WHEN YOU HAVE VIOLENT OFFENDERS ON THE BALLOT.

I THINK REDISTRICTING ALSO PLAYS A PART IN IT.

WHY WOULD I, IF I HAVE A GOOD, NICE LIFE, WHY WOULD I PUT MYSELF UP TO THE TYPE OF FEAR AND ATTACK ADS THAT THE GOP USES AGAINST CANDIDATES?

I THINK IT'S A SERIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO BE HAVING, NOT ONLY AS KENTUCKIANS BUT AS AMERICANS, THAT IN OUR POLITICS AS A WHOLE WE'RE FOCUSED ON ATTACKING ONE ANOTHER RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT TRUTH AND PLOY POLICY.

SO I DON'T THINK ANOTHER A REFLECTION ON THE GOVERNOR.

THE GOVERNOR IS THE MOST POPULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR IN THE COUNTRY FOR A REASON.

IT'S BECAUSE HE'S A GREAT LEADER.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES, WHETHER THE TYPE OF POLITICS WE'RE EVEN ENGAGING IN IS PRODUCT OF.

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THE TEMPERATURE IS UP.

WHETHER IT'S REPUBLICANS, WHETHER IT'S DEMOCRATS.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS CONCERN THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT DOWN JUST BECAUSE IT FOMENTS EXTREMISM ON EITHER SIDE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.

WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY HEADWAY THIS ELECTION I'M NOT SO SURE.

I STILL THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO PICK UP SEATS HERE.

DEMOCRATS DO FACE A PROBLEM.

I AM, THIS USED TO BE A STATE WHERE IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC JUGGERNAUT.

LIKE THE SOUTH MIRAGE AND HISTORICALLY.

AND NOW THEY'VE GOT A MASSIVE SUPERMARRIAGES AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MORE.

THE SUPERMAJORITIES.

THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MORE IN THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

WE'RE HAVING A BIG SHIFT HERE.

IT WAS A LONGSTANDING HISTORY OF REPUBLICANS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THEN DEMOCRATS CONTROLLING AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND THAT CERTAINLY FLIPPED, PUT BEE DO HAVE GOVERNOR BESHEAR.

HE STILL HAS CERTAINLY IS POLLING SORT OF THE MAJORITY, IF YOU WILL.

PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF HIM.

SO IT'S AN INTERESTING -- IT'S AN INTERESTING SCENARIO WHEN YOU'VE GOT A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND THEN THESE MASSIVE SUPERMAJORITIES FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

>> I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND OUCH MORE THE SUPER DUPER IS MAJOR MIGHT GET FOR REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, BUT I DO WANT TO TALKING ABOUT THE 3rd CONGRESSIONAL LACE.

IS THAT BETWEEN MORGAN McGARVEY WHO IS CURRENTLY THE SENATE MINORITY LEADER AND MR. STUART RAY.

I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST ON THAT ONE.

>> COOL, THANK YOU.

I MANAGED HIS FIRST RACE FOR STATE SENATE.

HE IS A CLOSE FRIENDS OF MINE AND I'M JUST COLLIDED THAT JOHN YARMOUTH WAS OFFERED -- GAVE HIS SUPPORT TO MORGAN.

MORENO IS GOING TO WIN THAT WORLD WITHOUT END.

WE'RE JUST -- IT'S GOING TO BE -- AND MORGAN IS GOING TO GET TO THE U.S. CONGRESS WHEN WE PROBABLY WILL LOSE THE MAJORITY.

I'M NOT SAYING I THINK WE WILL, BUT WE COULD.

>> HE'S USED TO BEING IN THE MINORITY, RIGHT?

>> WELL, AND I GOT THERE -- >> THAT'S WHAT HIS ADS SAY.

HE'S VERY GOOD AT THAT.

HE STILL CAN PASS A BILL.

>> WHAT HE CAN DO HAVE BEEN.

>> IT'S TURNING RIGHT ON RED BUT IT'S BALE.

>> NO, HE PASSED 18 BILLS IN KENTUCKY LEGISLATURE IN A SUPER MINORITY AND DID THING TO HELP PEOPLE AND CHANGE LIVES.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM WAS RESPONSIBLE, A WOMAN USUALLY, FOR PAYING HER HUSBAND WHO WAS IN PRISON'S LEGAL FEES IN ORDER TO DIVORCE THE SON OF A GUN.

MORGAN McGARVEY WAS TOLD ABOUT THAT.

HE MET JENNET IN PERSON.

THEY NAMED IT JENNET'S LAW.

A LOUISVILLE COUNCILWOMAN, CASEY ARMSTRONG CHAMBERS, INTRODUCED THEM, AND, BY GOLLY, HE GOT IT DONE.

AND HE'LL DO THAT IN WASHINGTON.

HE'S GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FRANKLY IF HE'S IN THE MINORITY TO BEGIN WITH, TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE MORE SENIOR MEMBERS WHO SUDDENLY FINE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMMITTEE CHAIRS, THEY'RE NOT SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS, WITH A LOT OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS.

I EXPERIENCED THAT WHEN I GOT ELECTED TO CONGRESS, AND IT REALLY WILL GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE FOR LOUISVILLE.

>> TELL BUS STUART RAY.

>> YEAH, WELL, MORGAN IS HOLDING FORTH ON THE SENATE FLOOR ABOUT HOW EVIL THE REPUBLICANS ARE.

STUART RAY'S FAMILY HAS BEEN BUILDING A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY IN LOUISVILLE, STEEL TECHNOLOGIES.

STUART HAS MET A PAYROLL.

HE'S HAD EMPLOYEES.

HE KNOWS WHAT BUSINESSES HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO TRY TO COMPLY WITH ALL GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS.

STUART RAY WOULD BE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR IN THE 3RD DISTRICT SUCH AS WE HAVEN'T HAD SINCE ANN NORTHROP WAS IN CONGRESS.

AND SO I THINK STUART'S GOT A GREAT SHOT.

I ADVOCATED, AND, YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOT REAL GOOD AT TAKING MY ADVICE BUT THAT'S OKAY -- [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S THEY'RE PART.

BUT WHEN THEY HAD A CHANCE TO, OLD HAM COUNTY SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO THE ARE THERE DISTRICT.

I DON'T WANT TO LIVE UNDER MORGAN McGARVEY FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.

THE LAST 16 UNDER JOHN MAR YOUTH HAVE BEEN UNBEARABLE.

SO WOULD I LOVE TO SEE STUART WIN THAT RACE TOMORROW.

HE'S WORKED HARD.

AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> WILL T. TURNED HIS HAIR GRAY.

ALMOST WHITE.

>> IT DIDN'T TURN IT LOOSE, THOUGH, RIGHT?

[LAUGHTER] >> OH, MAN!

>> LOW SHOT.

>> WELL DONE.

>> I'M HERE ALL NIGHT WENT AT LEAST UNTIL 9:00.

>> I GAVE HER THAT LINE.

>> SO WE HAD THIS QUESTION IF I COULD ASK YOU FOLKS, THIS IS, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, TONIGHT ABOUT REGISTRATION TRENDS.

SO WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED I THINK IN THE FALL.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG HEADLINES BEFORE FANCY FARM PERHAPS, THAT REPUBLICANS WERE UTOUTNUMBERRING IN VOTER REGISTRATION DEMOCRATS.

IT'S NOT A MAJORITY -- WELL, IT'S NOT A MAJORITY, PLURALITY.

>> PLURALITY, SURE.

>> WE'LL TAKE THE PLURALITY.

>> YOU'LL TAKE THE PLURALITY AND EVEN SECRETARY OF STATE MICHAEL ADAMS A REPUBLICAN HAS SAID, OKAY, REPUBLICANS WITH DON'T GET TOO BAG DOORS, ABOUT THIS.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THIS CALLER ABOUT WHAT THE TRENDS SAY AND ARE THEY STICKABLE, SUSTAINABLE TRENDS?

>> THEY ARE SUSTAINABLE TRENDS, RIGHT.

THAT I WAS BIG MOMENT FOR REPUBLICANS, IS GETTING THE PLURALITY OF VOTER REGISTRATION IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS AND STEVE BEEN CELEBRATING THAT BUT IT'S STILL A SLIM MARGIN, RIGHT.

IT'S LEASE THAN 1 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

IT'S STILL CLOSE.

THE TRENDS ARE, THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN BOTH THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STATE SENATE DISTRICT AND LOOKING AT THE STATE HOUSE DISTRICTS, IS THAT REPUBLICANS MADE GAINS IN SIX OUT OF SIX IN THE CONGRESS A DISTRICTS OVER THE LAST -- WE'RE LOOKING A, SAY, FROM 2012 TO NOW LOOKING A REDISTRICTING, MADE SIGNIFICANT GAINS THERE, AND THE STATE SENATE, THEY MADE GAINS IN 35 OF THE 38 DISTRICTS.

THAT'S HUGE.

AND THEN IN '91 OF THE HOUSE DISTRICTS.

INDEPENDENTS ALSO MADE GAINS ACROSS THE BOARD.

THE DEMOCRATIC SHOWING WAS JUST NOT AS IMPRESSIVE.

THEIR STALE GREG BUT NOT AT THE RATES REPUBLICANS THAT INDEPENDENCES ARE.

I THINK IN TERMS OF STICKABILITY WE'RE CERTAINLY SHE WAS GOING ON WITH REPUBLICANS THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO THAT WAY BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING AN INDEPENDENT MOVEMENT AS WELL.

MAYBE PEOPLE ARE JUST ALSO A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT PARTISANSHIP ON EITHER SIDE.

>> MORGAN EAVES, ONE DEMOCRATIC OPERATIVE I TALKED TO WHEN THE HEADLINE BROKE, HE SAID, BIG DEAL, RIGHT, THE KENTUCKIANS HAVE BEEN VOTING, THEIR PERFORMANCE HAS BEEN LEANING THAT WAY ANYWAY.

THE NUMBERS ARE JUST NOW CATCHING.

YOU DO YOU SEE IT THAT WAY?

>> I AGREE, AND I THINK ONE BIG CAVEAT WE MISS WHEN WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT REGISTRATION DOES NO EQUAL AP ACTIVE VOTER.

REGISTERED VOTERS IS NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OUT TO VOTE.

IT'S JUST PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.

WE HAVE SEEN HISTORICALLY LOW TURNOUT IN KENTUCKY, WHETHER IT'S CONGRESSIONAL RATES OR GUBERNATORIAL RACES, NO MATTER THE YEAR.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING ALL THE EMPHASIS ON REGISTERED VOTERS.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS DRIVE UP COURT TURNOUT GENERALLY ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> AND INDEPENDENTS ARE THE LARGEST GROWING OR NON-AFFILIATED.

ANY COMMENT URGENT GENTLEMEN HAVE ABOUT REGISTRATION NUMBERS IN.

>> IT'S IS WHENELING PAST THE GRAVEYARD, OKAY?

WHISTLING.

THE DEMOCRATS BRAGGED FOR DECADE ABOUT THEIR MASSIVE SUPERIORITY IN REGISTRATION FIGURES.

NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE MINORITY, NO BIG DEAL WITH DOESN'T MATTER, DOESN'T MEAN A THING.

NO, IT MEANS YOU LOSE ELECTIONS.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO BENCH OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON AND FAYETTE COUNTY.

I'LL GIVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

DENNY PARROT'S SENATE SEAT IN ELIZABETHTOWN.

>> HARDIN COUNTY.

>> THE DEMOCRAT.

HE BEAT AN INCUMBENT SENATOR IN 2010 TO WIN THAT SEAT, THE ONLY INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN TO LOSE IN THE LAST 32 YEARS A STATE SENATE SEAT.

DANNY PARROTT REQUIRES.

NO DEMOCRAT COMES FORWARD, NOBODY IN THAT COUNTY, NOT A MAGISTRATE.

OF COURSE, BOTH THE STATE REPS FROM THAT COUNTY ARE REPUBLICAN, BUT THERE'S NO BENCH.

I CALLED A LAWYER DOWN THERE TODAY I KNOW WHO IS VERY ACTIVE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND CHIDED HIM FOR NOT RUNNING BUT HE'S OLD LIKE ME.

I SAID, WHY -- NOBODY?

NO YOUNG PERSON WHO HAVE THE AMBITION TO AT LEAST TRY EVEN IF THEY LOST, THEY'D LEARN?

NOTHING.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN WIN.

AND THAT'S AN INDICTMENT OF YOUR PARTY THAT YOU'RE GIVING UP A SEAT THAT YOU HELD FOR 12 YEARS AND CAN'T FIND SOMEONE TO JUST PUT YOUR NAME ON THE NOMINATING FORM AND TO BE A CANDIDATE TO GIVE THE PEOPLE IN THAT COUNTY A CHOICE.

IT'S -- I CONTRAST THAT WITH A WOMAN LIKE SAMARRA HEBRON WHO IS A VERY YOUNG STATE REP FROM GRAYSON COUNTY WHO BY THE AGE OF 27 HAD INTERNED FOR SENATOR RAND PAUL, HAD WORKED IN BRETT GUTHRIE'S OFFICE AND THEN HAD A JOB FOR ALLISON BALL, THE STATE TREASURER, AND WHEN HER LEGISLATIVE SEAT CAME OPEN IN A SPECIAL ELECTION, SHE HAD ALL THIS EXPERIENCE AND WON IN A WALK, SPECIAL ELECTION, BUT SHE HAD HAD ALL THAT TRAINING AND HAD WORKED IN CAMPAIGNS.

THAT'S OUR BENCH.

AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THAT OUTSIDE OF JEFFERSON AND FAYETTE COUNTY.

>> SO LET'S GO TO THIS SIDE.

>> WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOU OF COURSE.

>> THERE WE GO.

WE'VE GOT A GREAT BENCH.

OUR CANDIDATES IN SO MANY PLACES ARE VERY YOUNG.

BUT I JUST GOT TO CAN, BOB.

SAMARRA HEBRON, HER EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT IS WHAT MAKES YOU VOTE FOR HER.

MORGAN McGARVEY'S EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT MAKES YOU VOTE AGAINST HIM.

SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS EXPERIENCE MAKES YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR THEM.

BUT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO HAS ONLY HAD A BUSINESS AND RAISED MONEY LIKE CRAIG GREENBERG, BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, YOU VOTE AGAINST HIM.

BOB, WHICH BOB IS GOING TO SHOW UP AT THE POLLS?

[LAUGHTER] >> MIKE, TWO OF THESE PEOPLE HOSPITAL HAVE TO BE REPUBLICANS AND TWO HAVE TO BE DEMOCRATS.

AS CRAIG GREENBERG WOULD SAY, MY VALUES ARE DIFFERENT FROM HIS, AND I'M NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR A MAN OF CRAIG GREEN BERG'S VALUES.

HOE HAS BEEN RUNNING ON ABORTION AND WOULD ALLOW LEGALIZED ABORTION UP TO THE MOMENT BIRTH.

WE HE WOULD NOT DRAW THE LINE ANYWHERE.

>> YOU WANT TO PUT A PROSECUTOR AND A COP IN THE EXAMINATION ROOM TO DECIDE IF THE WOMAN'S REALLY HER LIFE IS -- >> WHERE HAS THAT EVER HAPPENEDSOME.

>> WELL, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN KENTUCKY BECAUSE III NO CHOICE.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE RECOUPMENT BECAUSE I WANT MORGAN EAVES TO CHIME IN BECAUSE MANY WOULD SAY, AND THEY WOULD POINT TO A COUPLE OF CONGRESSIONAL RACES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ACTIVE, TO SAY, WHY COULDN'T DEMOCRATS DO BETTER?

WHERE IS THE BENCH OTHER THAN MORGAN EAVES?

>> IT IS THERE, A PROMISE.

WHY WOULD SOMEONE LIKE MORGAN EAVES, SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN AN URBAN CENTER OF KENTUCKY, SIGN UP TO RUN FOR A RACE THAT THEY HAVE REDISTRICTED TO GO ALL THROUGHOUT RURAL KENTUCKY?

IT'S JUST PLAYING THE ODDS.

AND WHEN YOU DON'T PLAY FAIR, WHY DO YOU WANT TO PLAY IN THAT SAND BOX?

IT'S AGAIN A PROBLEM OF REDISTRICTING, OF MAYBE LET'S -- LET'S SHUFFLE THE CARDS SO THAT WE ALWAYS WIN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PLAYING FAIR.

THAT'S REALLY NOT GIVING PEOPLE A CHOICE.

SURE, I COULD DO AS BOB SAID AND FIND SOMEBODY WHO TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE BALLOT P. THAT'S NOT REALLY A CHOICE.

FINDING CANDIDATES THAT REALLY ARE WILLING TO STEP UP, PUT THEIR FAMILIES ON LINES, PUT THEIR FAMILIES FRONT AND CENTER, AND THAT'S TOUGH WHEN THE DECK IS STACKED AGAINST YOU.

I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB OF DIGGING DEEP AND BUILDING A BENCH.

I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE THAT.

BUT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO ONE IS JUST PATENTLY FALSE AND NOT A FAIR POINT.

>> WELL, TO GO TO THE POINT THAT MS. EAVES MADE EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE CANDIDATES ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, WHICH EVEN SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE SAIDWHERE WE'RE NO BACKING THIS CANDIDATE, SO IS IT WEDGING OUT AND EDGING OUT THE MODERATES IN ORDER TO JUST EXPAND THE SUPER MAJORITY?

>> WELL, IT'S FUNNY THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE ARE BEING THE MOST SERIOUSLY CHALLENGED.

>> BY THE DEMOCRATS.

>> DURING THE PRIMARY.

>> SURE.

THEY'RE COMING AFTER THEM AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN JASON NEMES INTO SOME MONSTER IN LOUISVILLE, AND HE'S SPONSOR THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA BILL, HE'S PASSIONATELY AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY, INTRODUCED BILLS TO ABOLISH THE DEATH PENALTY, HE'S FOR SPORTS BETTING.

THIS IS NOT SOME MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN OR WHATEVER, EXTREMIST THAT YOU WANT TO MENTION.

AND YET THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO HIM.

AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO WIN.

HE OUTRUN TRUMP BY 10 POINTS TWO YEARS AGO, AND HE'S GOING TO WIN TOMORROW.

>> SO JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME CONTEXT, THIS IS THE 33rd HOUSE DISTRICT, JASON NEMES.

>> MY OLD DISTRICT.

>> YOUR OLD DISTRICT.

I REMEMBER THAT.

>> NUMBER BUT, NOT THE GEOGRAPHY.

>> HE'S GOT SOME OF IT.

>> KATE TURNER IS THE DEMOCRAT THERE.

>> WHO IS PART OF THE BENCH, THE DEMOCRATIC BENCH.

HE'S A YOUNGER WOMAN.

SHE IS PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC BENCH THAT WE'RE BUILDING.

>> I SAID OUTSIDE LOUISVILLE.

>> I THINK I FIGURE OUT AN ANSWER TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION, THOUGH, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE CHANGE IN REGISTRATION, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SWITCHING TO REPUBLICAN SO THEY CAN TO GET VOTE AGAINST THE FAR RIGHT CRAZY REPUBLICANS IN THE PRIMARY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT.

>> IT'S JUST -- >> OKAY.

>> I CAN'T SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT BUT THAT'S OKAY.

IT SOUNDS GREAT WE DON'T WANT TO PEDAL CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

>>ES INTO THE CONSPIRATORS THEY'RE.

IT'S PEOPLE VOTING WITH THEIR FEET.

>> THE LEGISLATIVE RACES.

>> WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOUSE DISTRICT 3LY, JASON NEM TEST REPUBLICAN WHO HAS BROUGHT FORTH SOME PRETTY PROGRESSIVE LEGISLATION, RIGHT?

KATE TURNER UP AND COMING.

>> SHE'S WORKING HARD.

SHE'S OUT THERE EVERY DAY.

AND SHE LIVES ACTUALLY IN OLDHAM COUNTY IN THAT SECTION OF THE DISTRICT.

IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE DISTRICT, THE 33rd IN OLDHAM COUNTY, AND SHE HAS NOT SOME GOOD FAMILY ROOTS THERE ALTHOUGH REPUBLICANS SAID SHE'S FROM NEW YORK, SHE'S FROM HOLD OLDHAM COUNTY.

>> WE DIDN'T SAY IT.

SHE SAID IT.

SHE'S FROM NEW YORK BUT CAME BACK HOME TO RUN.

IT'S OKAY.

IT'S A FREE COUNTRY.

>> ONE LAST TIME WITH 54% OF THE VOTE SHE WON.

THAT WAS OUTPERFORM.

HE HAD A CLOSE RACE LAST TIME BUT DID BETTER THAN ESCAPED HE'S A HARD WORKER AND HE'S REALLY TACKLED A LOT OF DIFFICULT ISSUES.

I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S MEDICAL MARIJUANA, WHETHER IT'S ADVOCATING FOR SPORTS BETTING, HE'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE SUBURBAN REPUBLICANS IF YOU WANT TO SAY RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND SO WITH REDISTRICTING HE MADE SOME GAINS.

HE'S GOT MORE REPUBLICANS THAN HE DID SORT OF TEN YEARS AGO IN THAT DISTRICT, SO THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO ADVANTAGE HIM IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT'S STILL CERTAINLY A CLOSE RACE AND ONE TO WATCH.

>> DISTRICT -- HOUSE DISTRICT 20.

I WANT TO STICK WITH THESE HOUSE DISTRICTS AND WE'LL SNEAK IN A STATE SENATE.

PATTI MINTER WHO IS A DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT AGAINST KEVIN JACKSON THE REPUBLICAN, AND THIS IS AN AREA WHERE REDISTRICTING WAS THAT'S GOING TO BE THE COMMON THEME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT SHE'S GOT A FIGHT ON HER HANDS HERE, RIGHT?

>> SHE DOES, BUT WITH REDISTRICTING IT DID TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE RURAL THAN IT PREVIOUSLY WAS.

REPRESENTATIVE MINTER TEACHES AT WESTERN KENTUCKY UNIVERSITY.

SHE HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY AND VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN WITH THE REDISTRICTING CHANGE I THINK SHE'S GOING TO RETAIN THAT SEAT SEAT.

SHE'S A VERY HARD WORKING.

SHE'S EXTREMELY INVOLVED THE IN COMMUNITY, AND SHE'S A BIG PRESENCE AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SEND HER BACK TO FRANKFORT.

>> I SPENT A GOOD TASTEFUL TIME IN BOWLING GREEN THE YEAR HE WAS RUNNING TO REPLACE JODY RICHARD AND THERE WAS LOTS OF FAULK ABOUT HOW JODY HELD THAT SEAT BECAUSE THEY WAS JODY AND, OF COURSE, HE HELD IT WONDERFULLY AND SERVED WELL BUT SHE KEPT IT.

>> AND SHE'S AT I A LOT MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN JOADY.

>> AND SHE'S DIFFERENT FROM JOADY.

>> YOU SAY DIFFERENT.

SAY PROGRESSIVE.

>> HE'S A LOT MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN JODY WAS.

I SERVED WITH JODY.

JODY RICHARDSON.

>> I THINK SHE WILL RETAIN THAT SEAT, AND SHE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER YOUNG PERSON, AND HER CAMPAIGN IS FULL OF YOUNG PEOPLE, FROM WARNER COUNTY AND FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTIES WHO WANT TO DO GET MORE INVOLVED WHO DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THEIR HOME COUNTY BUT ARE GETTING MORE INVOLVED.

WE'VE GOT YOUNG PEOPLE TAKING OVER LEGISLATIVE SEATS HER IN LEXINGTON, DON'T WE, YOUNG DEMOCRATS.

>> WE DO, YEAH.

>> I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE RACES CHAD O.

>> I AULL ACTUALLY BOUGHT MY HOUSE FROM CHAD AULL.

CHAD IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF LINDS BURKE AS WELL.

NEITHER OF THEM HAD A GENERAL ELECTION OPPONENT.

THEY'RE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE STEPPING UP AND WHO ARE READY TO REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AS MIKE SAID, PATTY'S CAMPAIGN IS ACTUALLY A GREAT EXAMPLE OF YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MORE RURAL KENTUCKY THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO THE BALLOT IN THEIR HOME COUNTIES AND THEY'RE GETTING INVOLVED, AND REALLY THAT'S HOW YOU BREED A BENCH OF LEGISLATOR AND GET THEM AT THE CAMPAIGN LEVEL.

>> THE GOP BELIEVES THEY'VE GOT REPRESENTATIVE MINTER'S SEAT.

THAT BEING SAID BECAUSE KEVIN JACKSON HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF SUPPORT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, HE'S ON THE LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD, ON THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THERE AND LOCAL LEADERS HAVE COME OUT AND SUPPORTED HUM SO THEY THINK THAT MAY BE THE DIFFERENCE.

THE WILDCARD, OF COURSE, IS REPRESENTATIVE MINTER'S INFLUENCE AT WKU AND SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO TURN OUT THOSE STUDENTS.

SHE'S A PROFESSOR THERE.

SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE MAYBE THE AMENDMENT 2 MIGHT HELP HER HERE.

>> MIGHT HELP HER YOU THINK.

I WANT TO GO TO NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

IT'S KIND OF NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

WELL, IT IS STILL NORTHERN KENTUCKY, BUDDY WHEATLEY.

[LAUGHTER] THERE'S ANOTHER RACE THAT'S IN THE KENTUCKY SENATE WHERE THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

BUT BUDDY WHEATLEY HOUSE DISTRICT 65.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING RACE.

THIS DISTRICT ONCE WAS DOWNTOWN COVINGTON AND NOW IT'S MORE SUBURB YEAH.

THE REPUBLICAN STEPHANIE DIETZ, PRETTY STRONG CANDIDATE.

>> SHE'S GOTTEN A LOT OF MONEY AND FUNDRAISE P SUPPORT FROM THE GOP AND THEY FEEL THEY ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO WIN THERE AND SHE'S GOING TO PICK UP THAT SEAT.

REPRESENTATIVE WHEATLEY, IT WAS A SOLIDLY DEMOCRATIC SEAT, BUT WITH REDISTRICTING THAT MARGIN HAS SHIFTED, AND SO THERE'S ONLY ABOUT A 4 POINT LEAD THERE IN THAT DISTRICT FOR DEMOCRATS, SO THAT COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE THERE.

ALSO, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INDEPENDENTS.

>> I DID SOME CHECKING ON THAT DISTRICT.

IT NOW INCLUDES FORTWRIGHT, PARK HILLS, EDGEWOOD, LA TONIA WHERE I USED TO WORK AT THE RACETRACK THERE.

IT TOOK OUT LUDLOW WHERE HE GROUP.

HE'S GONE.

HE'S GONE.

THOSE ARE REPUBLICAN AREAS THAT THINK PROBABLY TOOK FROM JOE FISCHER'S HOUSE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM.

HE'LL BE ONE OF THE EIGHT OR NINE PICKUPS WE GET TOMORROW NIGHT.

>> OKAY.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO.

>> YOU REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

>> THE RURAL AREAS, HENDERSON COUNTY IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHEN WHAT WE REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY JUDGE DORSEY RIDLEY.

>> DORSEY RIDLEY.

>> MY FORMER STATE SENATOR.

GO DOORSY.

>> DORSEY, GO.

>> I THINK.

>> BIPARTISANSHIP.

>> I THINK THE REPUBLICAN COUNTY, CAN YOU BELIEVE THERE'S AN INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN COUNTY JUDGE IN HENDERSON COUNTY?

THAT'S MIND-BOGGLING TO SOMEBODY MY AGE.

BUT DOORSY IS ONE OF -- WAS ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN LEGISLATURE, AND I WISH HIM GOOD LUCK.

>> YOU JUST SUNK IT FOR HIM.

>> SO THEY DON'T GO LOOKING FOR MY PARTY CARD TOMORROW.

>> HE HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE TO ADD TO HIS LIST.

WHEN YOU SAID RACE FRAC, IT REMINDED MOOF HENDERSON.

>> WELL, THERE YOU GO.

I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT PARALLEL CAME FROM.

I WANT TO JUMP OVER TO THE STATE SENATE SEAT HAD A WAS CONFLATING WITH THE WHEATLEY 65 AND STEPHANIE DIETZ AND NEACE SENATE DISTRICT NUMBER 20, AND THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE JAY WILLIAMS WAS ON THE SCENE WHEN I FIRST STARTED COVERING THE LEGISLATURE.

JAY WILLIAMS AND TERESA ARE BARTON, AND SO THIS IS AN INTERESTING RACE, AND THEY BOTH HAVE NAME RECOGNITION, RIGHT?

>> SURE.

I THINK TERESA BARTON IS ACTUALLY TREY WATSON MIGHT HAVE SAID SHE'S ONLY DEMOCRATIC THAT COULD WIN THAT SEAT, AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM.

SHE HAS HA BARN BIPARTISAN PASS WHO WAS THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO THEN WENT ON WORK FOR GOVERNOR ERNIE FLETCHER.

I THINK HER OPPONENT IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO IS PUSHING TOO FAR EXTREME ON THE RIGHT.

I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN AS MUCH VOCAL SUPPORT FROM THE PARTY FOR HIM AS WE'VE SEEN FOR SOME OTHER GOP CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT, AND I THINK THAT'S FOR A REASON.

EVEN WHEN HE SERVED BACK IN THE DAY, HE WAS STILL ON THE FAR RIGHT OF HIS PARTY, HE CHANGED IT, AND I THINK THAT FRANKLIN COUNTY MAJORITY OF THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO WANT TO SEE SOMEONE THAT BETTER REPRESENTS THEIR VALUES AND THAT'S TERESA BARTON.

>> I THINK JAY IS GOING TO WIN THAT I WAS US ROSS BECAUSE HOW ADREIAN SOUTH WORD WON IT.

FRANKLIN COUNTY IS VERY DEMOCRATIC, AND THEN THEY GRAFTED ONTO IT A BUNCH REPUBLICAN COUNTIES, AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO CARRY AND WILL OFFSET MAYBE A CLOSE VOTE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL COMPARE THE AIEN SOUTHWORTH DIDN'T CARRY IT WHEN SHE WON THE DISTRICT BUT SHE CARRIED THE OTHER COUNTY, ANDERSON AND THE OTHER ONES, SO I THINK HE'S GOING TO REPEAT THAT SAME SCENARIO.

>> WE'LL SEE.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> THERE'S ANOTHER WRINKLE IN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY ASPECT OF IT WITH JUDGE PHILLIP SHEPHERD RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

SHE IS GOING TO BRING OUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS' DESIRE AFTER THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE OVER THE JUDICIARY AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT WHO DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS VOTE DEMOCRAT BUT WILL SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THIS YEAR.

SHE'S RUN A STRONG, STRONG CAMPAIGN.

I SAT NEXT TO JAY WILLIAMS ON THE FLOOR OF THE KENTUCKY HOUSE, AND WE, OF COURSE, DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS THANKED HIM FOR GETTING US THE 4th CONGRESS A DISTRICT FOR A WHILE WHEN HE LOST TO -- >> A VERY SHORT WHILE.

>> NO, WE HAD IT FOR SIX OR EIGHT YEARS.

>> OKAY.

>> FOR CONGRESSMAN LUCAS.

SO JAY GAVE US THAT, AND HE'LL PROBABLY GIVE US A SENATE SEAT THIS YEAR.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THAT FRANKLIN CIRCUIT COURT SEAT AND TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF EXECUTIVE, LEGISLATIVE DIVISIONS, ET CETERA, SO DO YOU THINK PHILLIP SHEPHERD CAN RETAIN HIS JUDGESHIPSOME.

>> I ABSOLUTELY DO.

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION.

A YEAR AGO WHEN I TALKED TO PHILLIP, WHO IS A LONGTIME FRIEND OF MINE PRESIDENT FROM THE JONES ADMINISTRATION, THAT IT WAS A CONCERN, BUT THE REPUBLICANS I THINK ACTUALLY HAVE AWAKENED SOME SLEEPING VOTERS IN AN OFF-YEAR ELECTION BY GOING AFTER HIM THE WAY THEY HAVE.

HE IS A -- JUST AN OLD-FASHIONED JUDGE WHO CALLS THE BALLS AND CALLS THE STRIKES.

AND AND A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN HE'S BEEN OVERTURNED IT'S BEEN A PRETTY MARROW BASIS.

SO PHILLIP SHEPHERD I THINK WILL WIN RE-ELECTION, AND ASSAY WILL HELP OUR STATE SENATEIS.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE, EITHER ONE OF YOU OF YOU, ANY UNFUNDED WITH YOU?

>> ON THAT RACE?

I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I THINK JOE BILL BUY WOULD MAKE A VERY FINE CIRCUIT JUDGE.

I KNOW HIS PARENTS.

JOHN IS A FINE LAWYER IN LOUISVILLE.

AND BARBECUE DUTY PHILLIP SHEPHERD I'M A BIG FAN OF.

I THINK HE'S AN OUTSTANDING JUDGE, AND I'VE HAD HIM IN CASES.

HE TRIES TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

HE HAS RULED IN FAVOR OF REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS ALMOST AS MUCH AS HE HAS DEMOCRATIC.

IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT A ROLL CALL OR A ONE LOSS RECORD, HE HAS SPOKEN TO MY LAW SCHOOL CLASSES THAT I EACH EQUINE LAW AT UofL BECAUSE HE DEALS IN A LOT OF THOSE.

HE GETS ALL THE HORSE RACING COMMISSION CASES APPEALS, AS DOES JUDGE WINGATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE THE JUDICIAL BRANCH GO INTO WHAT IS IN EFFECT A PARTISAN RACE.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

>> THAT'S WHAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT 6th DISTRICT, RIGHT?

>> YOU'RE THE QUEEN, RENEE.

YOU GO RIGHT INTO THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, BETWEEN STATE REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPH FISCHER, JUSTICE MICHELLE KELLER.

THERE'S BEEN SOME ALLEGATION -- WELL, THE JUDICIAL CONDUCT COMMISSION WANTED TO INVESTIGATE BASED ON HIM BEING PARTISAN.

HE HAS THE ELEPHANT ON HIS -- USING THE LOGO AND HE'S TALKED ABOUT BEING A CONSERVATIVE, SO IS THAT WRONG WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON-PARTISAN JEWISH POSITION?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PARTIAL TO PEOPLE I SERVED WITH.

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT TONIGHT, WHETHER THEY'RE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.

DEVELOP A BOND IN FRANKFORT.

AND I SOW KNOW JOE FISCHER WELL.

I SERVED WITH HIM.

HE'S NOT AN OUTSTANDING LEGAL MIND.

I THINK HE'LL MAKE A GREAT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE.

HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN BECAUSE HE IS.

HE'S NOT RUNNING ON A REPUBLICAN BALLOT.

HE'S BEEN A LEGISLATOR FOR 25 YEARS.

HE'S GOT A VOTING RECORD THAT'S A MILE LONG OVER KIND OF ISSUE.

IT'S KIND OF REFRESHING IN A WAY TO HAVE A JUDICIAL CANDIDATE TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON THINGS.

YOU ASK ANYBODY RUNNING FOR JUDGE, OH, I DON'T KNOW.

HERE'S WHY I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL.

I WAS IN THE ORDER OF THE COIF, WHATEVER THAT IS, AND VOTE FOR ME.

I'LL GO A GREAT JOB.

AND AND JOE FISCHER'S GOT A RECORD AND HE INVITES YOU TO LOOK AT AND IT FACTOR THAT INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

>> BUT DON'T REPUBLICANS COMPLAIN WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT PHILLIP SHEPHERD AS BEING AN ACTIVIST JUDGE FOR THE LIBERAL CAUSES?

>> WELL, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT JOE FISCHER CALLING HIMSELF AS REPUBLICAN, BUT THEY DO NOTHING ABOUT JUDICIAL CANDIDATES IN LOUISVILLE WHO TRAVEL ON THE CRAIG GREENBERG BUS, ARE INTRODUCED AS SOMEBODY THAT THEY'RE FOR.

NOBODY WRITES UP THAT.

NOBODY CARES.

WE HAVE 43 JUDGES IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, RENEE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ARE REGISTERED REPUBLICANS?

I'LL LET EVERYBODY HERE GUESS.

ZERO!

NONE.

AND WE HAVE 300,000 REGISTERED REPUBLICANS LIVING IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.

DO YOU THINK MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION ON THE BENCH?

THE LEAGUE OF LIQUOR WOMEN VOTERS THEY DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT, DIDN'T PUT OUT ANY PRESS CONFERENCES.

OH, THIS IS A TRAGEDY.

WE NEED EQUAL REPRESENTATION THE ON BENCH.

WELL, YOU NEVER HEAR THAT FROM THEM.

>> AS THE OTHER LAWYER IN THE ROOM, I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY NOR SHOULD I BE ABLE TO GO INTO A COURTROOM AS A DEFENDANT, A PLAINTIFF, CERTAINLY A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC ABUSE OR RAPE, AND BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT MY JUDGE'S APPLICABLE PAST IS.

-- POLITICAL PAST IS.

IS LAW SHOULD BE BASED ON FACTS AND NOTHING ELSE.

IT SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON PARTISAN POLITICAL POSITIONS, AND I THINK IT IS WRONG ON EITHER SIDE TO BILL YOURSELF AS A PROGRESSIVE OR A CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES PEOPLE DISTRUST THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, AND I THINK ANY CANDIDATE CAMPAIGNING LIKE THAT SHOULD HAVE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FROM THE KENTUCKY BAR ASSOCIATION, AND I'M GLAD THAT SUPREME COURT ACTUALLY RULED THAT THE KBA CAN INVESTIGATE I DON'T FISCHER BECAUSE I THINK THAT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE TO ALL PARTIES GOING BEFORE THE COURT.

>> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.

WE HAD A FULL HOUR, THE ABOUT WE'LL GET TWO HOURS TOMORROW NIGHTLY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ELECTION COVERAGE THAT BEGINS AT 8:00 PERSON EASTERN, GOES TO 10:30, 10:30, 11:00 WHENEVER IT'S OVER AND SO YOU CAN COUNT ON US TO BRING THAT TO YOU.

BOB HELL RINGER WILL BE IN THE STUDIO.

BOB BABBAGE, AL CROSS AND CLARE HADEN WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF EMERGE KENTUCKY, AND WE'LL BE AT THOSE HEADQUARTERED, RAND PAUL, CHARLES BOOKER TO BRING US THE BEST RESULTS WITH THE LATEST ANALYSIS ANYWHERE.

THANK FOR WATCHING AND I WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT 8:00 EASTERN 7:00 CENTRAL RIGHT HERE ON KET.