[♪♪] GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

22 DAYS, AND COUNTING, UNTIL THE NOVEMBER SEVENTH GENERAL ELECTION.

THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR HAS DOMINATED THE DISCUSSION, SO FAR.

BUT WE’RE NOW STARTING TO SEE TV ADS IN OTHER RACES, INCLUDING ATTORNEY GENERAL AND COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE.

TO DISCUSS ALL THE RACES, WHERE THEY STAND, AND WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE REMAINING THREE WEEKS, WE ARE JOINED IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO BY FOUR PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE IN DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS.

OUR GUESTS ARE: AMY WICKLIFFE, A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND PARTNER WITH MCCARTHY STRATEGIC SOLUTIONS; STUART PERELMUTER, FOUNDER AND CEO OF ATADVOCACY AND AN ADVISOR TO KENTUCKY THIRD DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN MORGAN MCGARVEY; ANNE-TYLER MORGAN, AN ATTORNEY, REPUBLICAN, AND MEMBER IN THE MCBRAYER PLLC; AND SHERMAN BROWN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND PARTNER WITH MCCARTHY STRATEGIC SOLUTIONS.

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WELCOME TO OUR GUESTS.

WE'RE SO EXCITED, 22 DAYS AWAY.

NEXT WEEK I WILL MAKE THIS PROGRAM ANNOUNCEMENT RIGHT NOW YOU WANT TO BE HERE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL DANIEL CAMERON WILL BE IN THE STUTD YO FOR A ONE-HOUR DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

THAT IS NEXT WEEK.

RIGHT AS WE WERE COMING ON AIR THEY WERE GOING OFF AIR BY ANOTHER DEBATE.

AMY, I WANT TO GO TO YOU.

YOU PROBABLY SAW AS MUCH AS YOU COULD BEFORE YOU HAD TO COME HERE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THERE'S LOTS OF FORUMS THAT THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES ARE DOING WHICH SEEMS RARE.

>> IT SEEMS RARE.

I'M EXCITED FOR THAT.

I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE GENERAL ELECTORATE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHERE THE CANDIDATES STAND ON ISSUES THAT ARE FACING KENTUCKIANS EVERY SINGLE DAY; CRIME, EDUCATION, OUR ENERGY.

LOTS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT MIGHT NOT BE PICKED UP IN A 30-SECOND OR ONE-MINUTE AD THEY ARE SEEING ON TV.

THIS IS A CHANCE FOR KENTUCKIANS TO TUNE IN AND SEE WHERE THE CANDIDATES STAND TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON ELECTION DAY.

>> Renee: IS THERE EVER A VICTOR?

IF YOU LIKE THE GUY YOU LIKE YOU THINK HE DID WELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GUY THAT YOU DON'T LIKE HE DID NOT DO WELL?

INTEREST I THINK THAT IS TRUE BUT THE INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES WITH SO MANY DEBATES HAPPENING IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IS RETAIN THEIR CONSISTENCY THROUGH THESE DEBATES.

SO I THINK WHAT WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR IS DO THEY MAINTAIN THEIR POINTS?

DO THEY EVOLVE ANY OF THEIR POSITIONS AND DO THEY TRIP UP ON ANYTHING WE THINK THEY'VE HEDGED THEIR BETS ON PREVIOUSLY.

I THINK IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THESE ARE BEING HELD THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH.

TONIGHT'S WAS IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY OR LAST ONE WAS IN PA DUE KA.

IT GIVES VOTERS ACROSS THE STATE A CHANCE TO SEE THE CANDIDATE IN THEIR HOMETOWN OR HOME REGION AND WE CAN LOOK HOW THE CANDIDATES RESPOND IN THOSE VARIOUS VENUES.

>> Renee: BOTH CANDIDATES ARE SHERMAN, WELL PREPARED VERY ON MESSAGE.

THE 40 MINUTES I GOT A CHANCE TO SEE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE NBC AFFILIATE HERE AND WHAT I SAW FROM PA DUE KA THEY GOT THE POINTS DOWN PAT.

HARD TO TRIP THEM UP?

>> ABSOLUTELY THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS.

IT'S BEEN A LOT OF THE SAME CONVERSATION.

I THINK TONIGHT THE INTERESTING PART TO ME WAS SIMILAR WHAT ANNE SAID ABOUT THE REGIONALIZATION OF IT.

YOU HEARD GOVERNOR BESHEAR COME ON AND TALK ABOUT THE BRIDGE AND MARGUERITAVILLE VMENT TWO THINGS HE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ARE HAPPENING UNDER HIS WATCH IN THAT AREA FOR NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: THOUGH IT'S TELEVISED STATE-WIDE AND IT HELPS PEOPLE TO BE CLUED IN TO REGIONS OF THE STATE.

STUART WELCOME.

HOW DO YOU ASSESS HOW THE CAMPAIGN GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN IS GOING SO FAR?

WE KNOW WHOSE TEAM YOU ARE PROBABLY FOR.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEBATES AND THE MESSAGING AND THE ADS AND THE GROUND GAME HOW DO YOU ASSESS HOW THE CANDIDATES ARE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER?

>> I SEE THE CAMPAIGN IS AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WE SAW FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

ANDY WHEN HE GOES AROUND THE STATE AND HAS THE DEBATES WE ARE SEEING HIM TAKE A VICTORY LAP FOR THE RECORD-BREAKING ECONOMY, RECORD EMPLOYMENT, FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS HE HAS HAD THE WAY HE LED US THROUGH SOME REALLY TOUGH TRAGEDIES IN THIS COMMONWEALTH.

AND THEN WE GET TO SEE YOU KNOW, WE SEE DANIEL CAMERON TRY TO REDEFINE THAT AND TELL THE VOTERS OF KENTUCKY AT THAT TIME THIS GOVERNOR IS NOT WHO YOU THINK HE IS.

HE IS NOT THE PERSON WHO HAS THIS TRACK RECORD AND I THINK THAT IS A TOUGH PLACE TO BE.

BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S GOING EXACTLY HOW YOU EXPECT IT TO BE GOING.

>> Renee: DO YOU BELIEVE THE POLLS?

THEY HAVE BESHEAR AS UP AS LITTLE AS SIX POINTS AND AS MUCH AS 16.

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL OF THEM.

>> Renee: IT IS A TRICK QUESTION.

>> I ALMOST FELL FOR T I BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO'S LED WELL THROUGH REALLY, REALLY TOUGH SITUATIONS.

AND THE PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY IN POLL AFTER POLL SEEM TO REALLY SUPPORT HIM.

AND I THINK WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THE POLLS I HAVE SEEN, IS THAT YOU SEE THIS APPRECIATION FOR GOVERNOR BESHEAR EVEN AS THEY ARE SAYING WE LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND WE THINK THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

TO ME WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS THAT ANDY BESHEAR HAS GOVERNED WITHOUT PARTISANSHIP IN MIND.

HE GOVERNS FOR THE PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY NOT FOR THE PARTY.

AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY ARE SEEING THAT.

I THINK IT'S RESONATING IN A POWERFUL AND MEANINGFUL WAY.

>> Renee: AMY WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

THERE IS AN AD SAYING I SUPPORTED PRESIDENT TRUMP I VOTED FOR HIM YET I'M IN THE CORNER OF ANDY BESHEAR WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT ANDY BESHEAR KNEW THAT HE HAD TO GO AFTER IN A VERY STRATEGIC WAY THE REPUBLICAN VOTE.

THIS IS THE FIRST GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION WE HAVE HAD WHERE REPUBLICAN REGISTRATION OUTNUMBERS DEMOCRATS.

THAT IS A DIFFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

AND IT'S NO SECRET THAT HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND TRY TO JIN UP REPUBLICAN SUPPORT AND NO DOUBT THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SUPPORTING HIM.

BACK TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, I THINK THAT THIS WHOLE NOTION THAT THE GOVERNOR IS OUT THERE TAKING A VICTORY LAP, I THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

AND THESE LARGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SAYING THE ECONOMY IS ON FIRE WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITIES WHO HAVE BEEN PASSING POLICIES SINCE THEY TOOK THE MAJORITY IN 2016 TO MAKE KENTUCKY A BETTER PLACE AND A SOUND PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.

THEY GOT OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER.

THEY'VE DONE MANY REFORMS TO GET OUR PENSION SYSTEM IN ORDER.

AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE MAKING IT MORE ATTRACTIVE AND GOVERNOR BESHEAR HAPPENS TO BE IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO IN THAT POSITION TO CUT THE RIBBONS AND MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

SO I THINK WHEN YOU SAY HE IS NOT PARTISAN I BEG TO DIFFER HE IS NOT OUT THERE SHARING THAT CREDIT AND RECOGNIZING HE DIDN'T DO THAT ALONE.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT VOTERS UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT CUTTING THE INCOME TAX AND CUTTING PROPERTY TAXES TO CHECK THAT RECORD.

BECAUSE IT REALLY IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY'S ROLE AND DUTY IN THAT TO SETUP THIS ENVIRONMENT TO PUT KENTUCKY IN THE SPACE IT IS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

>> Renee: IF YOU LOOK AT THE SK BATTERY LAND THAT LAND WAS PURCHASED 20 SOME YEARS AGO.

IT TAKES A LONGTIME TO ENJOY THE SHADE OF THE TREE YOU PLANTED.

TO THAT POINT ABOUT REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP AND WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT IN THE DEBATE THAT WAS AIRING BEFORE WE CAME ON WHERE I THINK THE GOVERNOR AND GENERAL CAMERON WERE ASKED ABOUT WHO GETS THE CREDIT, RIGHT?

AND BESHEAR SAID WELL THE GOVERNOR GETS THE BLAME FOR EVERYTHING BAD AND DOESN'T GET THE SPOILS OF EVERYTHING GOOD.

WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?

SHOULD HE DEFER MORE AND SAY IT WAS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT HELPED MAKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WINS POSSIBLE?

>> WELL, RENEE, I THINK EVERYBODY IS WORKING REALLY HARD ON BEHALF OF KENTUCKY'S ECONOMY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I WILL SAY PROBABLY MOST KENTUCKIANS WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY STOP TALKING ABOUT WHO GETS THE CREDIT OR THE BLAME AND START TALKING ABOUT KENTUCKY'S ECONOMY.

IT WAS INTERESTING IN THE DEBATE BEFORE THIS PROGRAM, THAT BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES HIGHLIGHTED AND HAVE HIGHLIGHTED RECENTLY THEIR OPINION ON THE INCOME TAX.

AND IT'S BEEN ATTORNEY GENERAL CAMERON'S POSITION TO SAY THAT THE INCOME TAX SHOULD BE PHASED OUT IN THE FOUR YEARS OF HIS TERM IF HE IS ELECTED.

WHICH IS INTERESTING AND CERTAINLY WOULD PUSH THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA A BIT FURTHER THAN IT'S BEEN PUSHED.

GOVERNOR BESHEAR DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF BY SAYING HE WOULD BE MORE CAUTIOUS AND FOLLOW THE LEGISLATURE'S LEAD ALTHOUGH HE DID INITIALLY VETO THAT BILL TO PHASE OUT THE INCOME TAX.

THAT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING WAY FOR BOTH CANDIDATES TO WEIGH-IN ON THAT ISSUE.

BUT I REALLY THINK THAT KENTUCKY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THE PRODUCT OF MANY PEOPLE OVER LIKE YOU SAID OVER MANY YEARS-LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AS OF THE LAST FEW YEARS CAME ALONG.

>> Renee: IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HE'S BEEN GENERAL CAMERON HAS BEEN PUSHED ON THIS HOW FAR HE IS WILLING TO GO ON THAT.

WE'VE HEARD THE CHAMBER SAY WHEN THEY PUSHED FOR THE INCOME TAX REDUCTION PLAN, THAT THOSE TRIGGERS WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON SO WE DIDN'T END UP LIKE KANSAS THAT HAD TO REPEAL THE LAW BECAUSE THE STATE WAS GOING BANKRUPT.

AMY THE WISDOM PUSHING IT TOO FAR AND TOO FAR AND PUSHING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO DO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT POISED TO DO WHAT A GENERAL CAMERON TURNED GOVERNOR CAMERON DO THAT?

>> IN THE LAST DEBATES HE SAID HE WOULD WORK WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO MAKE THE CHANGES IN A SMART PATH.

I THINK HE IS GOING TO RELY ON PEOPLE LIKE JASON PETRI AND CHRIS McDANIEL WHO KNOWS THE IN'S AND OUT'S OF OUR TAX CODE TO INFORM WHAT IS THE BEST PATH FOR KENTUCKY.

I THINK HE IS NOT GOING TO UNILATERALLY GO IN AND MAKE THE DECISIONS HE WILL BE COLLABORATIVE AND WORK WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT TECHNICALLY SEEN THE GOVERNOR DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING BUSINESS IF AN ATTORNEY GENERAL DANIEL CAMERON WAS IN THAT GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

>> Renee: SHERMAN I HAVE TO ASK YOU BECAUSE IT COMES UP A LOT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE GOVERNOR DOES OR DOES NOT HAVE WITH THE REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY LEADERSHIP.

YOU HAVE ROCKY ADKINS THE SENIOR ADVISER A FORMER FLOOR LEADER IN THE HOUSE.

WHY IS IT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SOMETIMES SEEMS TO BE AT ODDS WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OTHER THAN JUST PARTISAN POLITICS?

>> I THINK FIRST OF ALL THE THINGS ARE ALWAYS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION IN ANYTHING GOING ON IN FRANKFORT.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT.

AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY ARE NOT AT THE TABLE THEY ARE SAYING THE LEGISLATURE IS SAYING HE DOESN'T COME TALK TO US.

THE GOVERNOR IS SAYING HE DOES REACH OUT AND DOES HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

I THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING THING WE'RE SEEING.

IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SAME CONVERSATION THEY HAD WITH BEVIN.

THE LEGISLATURE SAYS HE DIDN'T TALK TO US HE DIDN'T WORK WITH US HE WASN'T DOING ANYTHING NOW IT'S GOVERNOR BESHEAR HE IS NOT TALKING TO US.

AND THEN YOU GET INTO DANIEL CAMERON, WHO HAS SAID THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

THE LEGISLATURE COMES BACK AND SAID IT AND NOW HE IS CHANGING HIS POSITION.

MAYBE I WILL WORK WITH HIM ON IT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE FOUR YEARS WHEN HE IS PUSHED WITH THE FACTS LOOKING AT KANSAS AND THE LEGISLATURE PUTTING THOSE TRIGGERS IN TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T END UP WITH A DISASTER LIKE KANSAS.

>> Renee: I WANT TO ASK YOU STUART DO VOTERS CARE WHETHER OR NOT THE GOVERNOR GETS ALONG WITH THE THIRD FLOOR?

THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE THIRD FLOOR WHETHER OR NOT THEY GET ALONG?

AND LEGISLATIVE LEADERS WOULD TALK ABOUT HAVING LEGISLATIVE INDEPENDENCE REGARDLESS OF WHO OCCUPIES THE FIRST FLOOR GOVERNOR'S OFFICE?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO SEE OUR ELECTED LEADERS GET ALONG.

THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ALL VOTERS REGARDLESS OF PARTY IN KENTUCKY AND BEYOND.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN THE LAST FOUR YEARS WE'VE SEEN A LEGISLATURE THAT HAS BEEN FOCUSED AND THINGS LIKE THE MOST EXTREME ANTIABORTION LAW IN THE COUNTRY.

AND BULLYING KIDS.

AND CUTTING EDUCATION.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'VE GOT A LEGISLATURE THAT'S THAT EXTREME AND THAT FOCUSED ON UNDERMINING THE GOVERNOR, IT'S HARD TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND SO I THINK THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS DONE THROUGH HIS LEADERSHIP HAVE REALLY BEEN TO OVERCOME THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE THAT HAS BASKETBALL CREATED.

WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES AS WELL WHEN THE HARSH ANTI-LGBTQ LAWS ARE PASSED THE WAY THAT COMPANIES BOLT.

THEY SAY WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A CLIMATE LIKE THIS.

THE ANTIABORTION LAW THAT WAS PASSED, WE KNOW THAT DOCTORS DON'T WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LEADER LIKE AN ANDY BESHEAR WHO WILL SAY I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WORK WITH YOU TO POISON THE WELL.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE HAD SOMEBODY WHOLES LEADERSHIP HAS OVERCOME A LOT OF THOSE CHALLENGES.

>> Renee: WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS COMING IN AND WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THESE BUT WE WILL ASK.

WHAT IS THE EXPECTED VOTER TURNOUT FOR RURAL VERSUS URBAN AREAS ACROSS KENTUCKY?

SECRETARY ADAMS TOLD US LAST WEEK ON KENTUCKY EDITION HE EXPECTS 40% WHICH IS TYPICAL IN THE OFF YEAR GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS IT WAS 42, 43% IN 2019.

DO WE KNOW RURAL VERSUS URBAN BREAKDOWN?

>> I DON'T.

BUT I WOULD SAY FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT IN THE FIELD AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE FEELING OUT THERE, IS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE RURAL KENTUCKY REALLY SHOW UP IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

I FEEL THAT.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE THAT RURAL URBAN DIVIDE THAT WE SEE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AS WELL.

I THINK IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE RURAL KENTUCKY SHOW UP.

IT MAY PROVE ME WRONG ON ELECTION NIGHT.

>> Renee: WHY?

>> SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AND IT'S NO LONGER JUST LEXINGTON AND LOUISVILLE.

PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL SAFE WHEN THEY GO TO THE GROCERY, AND THE PARK WHEN THEY SEND THEIR KID ON A SCHOOL BUS.

WE CAN PAINT A ROSIER PICTURE THAT PEOPLE TEND TO SEE OF OUR ECONOMY IS ON FIRE AND KENTUCKY IS DOING GREAT UNTIL WE REALLY TACKLE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT MOMS AND DADS ARE THINKING ABOUT AT HOME AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE LIKE CRIME, LIKE EDUCATION, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY CAN'T TAKE THE VICTORY LAP YET BECAUSE THERE'S MORE WORK TO DO.

I THINK THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES.

I THINK OUR FARM COMMUNITIES ARE REALLY GOING TO TURNOUT THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

I FEEL LIKE I DO, I JUST FEEL LIKE RURAL KENTUCKY IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY.

>> I KNOW THE LAST GUBERNATORIAL HAD A 44.2% STATE-WIDE AND THE COUNTIES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

JEFFERSON AND FAYETTE COUNTY AROUND 50% TURNOUT OR CLOSE TO 47% RANGE.

BUT YOU HAD RURAL COUNTIES SHOWING UP AT RATES ACROSS THE BOARD AND SOME CLOSE TO THAT.

THERE WASN'T A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE THERE WAS A LOT OF RANGE 120 COUNTIES YOU HAVE QUITE A BIT OF TURNOUT IN SOME AND NOT SO MUCH IN OTHERS.

BUT I WILL ECHO AMY'S POINT THAT I THINK A LOT OF RURAL COUNTIES WILL TURNOUT AND PIGGY BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS LARGE AND IT GOES BEYOND THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE CAPITOL AND THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS THROUGH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE STATE.

AND A LOT OF THE GROWTH THAT YOU ARE SEEING STATE-WIDE IS BECAUSE OF THEIR WORK, BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS IN OUR CO-OPS AND OUR ELECTRIC PROVIDERS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE WORKING ON THOSE EFFORTS AND BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN I THINK YOU WILL SEE MORE LOCAL TURNOUT ACROSS THE STATE THAN PREVIOUSLY.

>> Renee: AND WHAT DOES HIGHER TURNOUT FAVOR?

>> IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE I THINK YOU LOOK AT THE 2015 ELECTION AND BEVIN WON MORE PEOPLE CAME OUT TO VOTE FOR BEVIN AND THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK PEOPLE FORGET THE TURNOUT WAS HIGHER IN 2019 AS UNPOPULAR AS MOST PEOPLE THINK HE WAS HE GOT MORE RAW VOTES THAN IN 2015.

THE INTERESTING THING ANDY BESHEAR LEARNED FROM THE 2019 AND THE CAMPAIGN TEAM HE BROUGHT BACK THEY JUST ANNOUNCED A WEEK AGO THEY WERE AT 800,000 DOORS KNOCKED THEY WILL BE AT A MILLION SOON.

THAT IS MORE THAN THEY DID IN 2019.

THEY ARE INCREASING THAT OUTREACH AND GOING INTO THE RURAL SPOTS.

THEY WENT UP TO TWO HEADS TONIGHT, TODAY, THE EASTERN KENTUCKY AND WESTERN KENTUCKY TALKING ABOUT THE RELIEF EFFORTS THEY DID.

AND WHETHER IT IS A VICTORY LAP OR WHATEVER BUT HE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DID, THEY AS IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY AS IN THE GOVERNOR, THEY AS IN THE LEGISLATURE BRINGING THAT TOGETHER AND LEADING THROUGH THOSE DISASTERS.

AND THAT IS GOING TO BE HUGE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN EASTERN AND WESTERN KENTUCKY TO MAYBE AND I THINK THEY ARE CALLING IT THE RED THE PINK TALKING ABOUT THEIR COUNTIES WHERE IT IS NOT A RED COUNTY IF WE CAN GET IT A LITTLE BIT WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT.

SO THEY MAKE IT SOFT EVER TO MITIGATE THAT THAT CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT STATE-WIDE.

>> I THINK SOMETHING TO POINT OUT, TOO WHAT WE LEARNED FROM OUR REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, DANIEL CAMERON OVERPERFORMED WHAT ANY OF US THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO DO IN AN 11-WAY PRIMARY CAME OUT WITH 48% OF THE VOTE.

THERE WERE 12 COUNTIES DE NOT WIN.

I THINK THAT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY ACCOUNTED FOR, TOO.

AS WE HEAD INTO THE OCTOBER SURGE THAT REPUBLICANS SEEM TO HAVE.

>> Renee: BUT IT WAS LOW TURNOUT IN THE PRIMARY.

>> IT WAS.

BUT I THINK NO ONE NO POLLS WE SAW AND NOBODY FOLLOWING THAT RACE THOUGHT THAT HE WOULD OVERPERFORM LIKE HE DID AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST A PURE EXAMPLE OF GROUND GAME THAT HE HAD IN THAT PRIMARY.

AND THE WORK THAT HE DID.

>> Renee: TWO WORDS YOU SAID AMY, GROUND GAME.

SO LIKE WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME.

GROUND GAME GROUND GAME.

WHAT IS THAT?

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?

AND HOW DOES IT REALLY EFFECTUATE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION?

>> TO ME IN CAMPAIGNS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GROUND GAME AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AIR GAME AND YOU HOPE THEY MEET IN THE MIDDLE FOR A WINNING DAY ON ELECTION DAY.

YOUR GROUND GAME TO ME IS THE COMBINATION OF DOORS KNOCKED, IT'S YOUR PHONE BANKING PROGRAM, IT'S YOUR EVENTS THAT YOU ARE HAVING THAT YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO HOST AND HOPEFULLY YOU'RE HAVING A BREAKFAST LUNCH AND DINNER SHAKING HANDS IN ALL KINDS OF COUNTIES.

DANIEL CAMERON WAS IN 15 COUNTIES OVER THE WEEKEND AND HIS WIFE HAS BECOME A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR THE CAMPAIGN SHE COVERED MULTIPLE COUNTIES AS WELL.

FOR ME THAT GROUND GAME AND IT'S NOT JUST SIGNS WE'RE ALL THE SIGNS.

I LOVE A SIGN.

BUT THEY DON'T VOTE.

BUT TO ME IT IS A COMBINATION.

IT IS HOW YOU TURNOUT YOUR VOTERS.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHO TURNS OUT ON ELECTION DAY.

>> THAT DIRECT VOTER CONTACT.

I THINK OF THAT AS THE GROUND GAME AND THE AIR GAME IS ALL YOUR TV YOUR MAIL AND THINGS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT DIRECTLY BE HEARING BUT THEY ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE HOWEVER THAT IS AND HOWEVER THAT IS DWHRIFERRED AND SOCIAL MEDIA PLAYS INTO THAT AS WELL.

>> Renee: DIGITAL ADS AND THE SUPER PACS PUMPING A LOT OF MONEY IN.

>> ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE RACE WE'VE EVER SEEN HERE IN KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: WE'VE PAST $50 MILLION?

>> EASILY WITH EVERYTHING COMBINED.

AND IT MAY GET MORE EXPENSIVE HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IS THAT KENTUCKY IS NOW THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN FOR A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S RACE.

BECAUSE WE SAW LOUISIANA, WE THINK MISSISSIPPI IS SITTING FINE WITH REEVES.

NOW ALL THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON SUPPORTING DANIEL CAMERON FROM AROUND THE NATION.

THAT WILL PUMP UP ANY REMAINING FUNDS OUT THERE.

>> Renee: AND SHERMAN YOU SAID IT FRIDAY WHEN WE HAD YOU ON TALKING ABOUT IF GOVERNOR BESHEAR IF HE IS VICTORIOUS, IT WILL BE THE PATH THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK TO LIKE HOW DOES A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND A SUPER REPUBLICAN STATE BECOME VICTORIOUS FOR A SECOND TERM.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING AT LIKE TEXTBOOKS.

>> RIGHT.

HE FOLLOWED THE LOUISIANA MODEL FROM THE 2019 RACE AS FAR AS THE REELECTION COMING IN, SHOCK AND AWE AFTER COMING THROUGH PUTTING THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE AND JUST REALLY RUNNING ON THAT RACE.

SHOCK AND AWE RIGHT AFTER THE PRIMARY HE WAS ON TV IMMEDIATELY.

THEY'VE BEEN GOING OUT THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER ON THE DOORS.

THAT IS WHY WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDRAISING AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WHEN YOU HEAR THOSE NUMBERS YOU DON'T THINK WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR.

IF YOU CAN PAY FOR ALL THE REGIONAL FIELD DIRECTORS AND THE PEOPLE TO ORGANIZE YOUR VOLUNTEERS, THE MORE FOLKS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE TEAM MORE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE, THOSE ARE MORE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE GETTING DIRECT INFORMATION FROM THE CAMPAIGN OF EXACTLY WHO TO GO TALK TO.

IT'S NOT JUST THE YARD SIGN IT'S SOMEBODY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR TALKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE.

MARKING THAT DOWN USING THAT INFORMATION WHEN THEY GET BACK FOR E-MAILS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD GO OUT.

>> Renee: SO THIS QUESTION THIS IS A QUESTION WE ANSWERED ON LAST WEEK'S PROGRAM WITH THE KENTUCKY SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATES.

CAN THE PANEL SPEAK TO THE CLOSED PRIMARIES?

WE HAVE CLOSED PRIMARIES.

MEANING INDEPENDENTS CAN'T VOTE.

FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?

I'M NOT SURE WHAT Mr. COLLINS WANTS YOU TO SPEAK TO.

>> RENEE I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK AND THE CANDIDATES SPOKE TO WHETHER INDEPENDENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO -- >> Renee: AND THEY BOTH AGREED ON THAT.

>> THEY AGREED ON THAT ISSUE.

KENTUCKY IS UNITED WHERE WE ARE FROM A LEADERSHIP STANDPOINT.

>> Renee: ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THAT?

>> NONE HERE.

>> Renee: MOVING ON.

[LAUGHTER] >> SOMETHING TO PONDER.

FROM HUNT HELM.

NEWS COVERAGE AND GRAND JURORS EXPOSED THE FACT THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL CAMERON MISLED THE GRAND JURY ON POTENTIAL CHARGES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AGAINST POLICE IN THE BREONNA TAILOR CASE TO PROTECT THE POLICE SHOULD THIS BE AN ISSUE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE?

AND IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN.

>> IT HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH AS SOME THOUGHT I THOUGHT IT WOULD PLAY A LARGER ROLE.

THERE WERE SEVERAL ALLEGATIONS IN THE WAY THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS -- ATTORNEY GENERAL DANIEL CAMERON FOLLOWED THE LAW.

DID THE OUTCOME SATISFY EVERY SINGLE KENTUCKIANS?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THAT WAS IN A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY THAT RIGHTFULLY ROCKED THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE AND COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT KENTUCKY.

AND IT JUST THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS WHERE IT SHOULDN'T HAVE EVER HAPPENED BUT IT HAS NOT COME UP IN THIS GOVERNOR'S RACE.

HONESTLY I THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE KNOW.

IF YOU ARE IN LOUISVILLE AND THAT ISSUE IS IMPORTANT TO YOU YOU'VE KNOWN THAT SINCE THE DAY THAT HE JUMPED IN THE RACE.

SO MIGHT PERHAPS THAT IS WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN AS MUCH POP-UP ABOUT THAT RACE.

>> Renee: SHOULDN'T HE BE GOING AFTER HIM ON THIS?

>> IT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY WHAT HE SHOULD GO AFTER HIM ON.

STRATEGISTS WILL TALK TO THAT.

I'M NOT SURE TO SAY IT'S TRUE THAT DANIEL CAMERON FOLLOWED THE LAW.

I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE GRAND JURORS ARE SAYING HE LIED TO ME.

HIS JOB WAS TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE.

AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT'S NO WHAT I CAN TELL THERE ARE ACCUSATIONS THAT HE DIDN'T.

>> ACCUSATIONS AND WE HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT.

>> NO, IF THOSE ACCUSATIONS ARE TRUE FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM FROM THE GRAND JURORS, I MEAN I THINK IT IS A SERIOUS BREACH OF THE PUBLIC TRUST AT THE VERY LEAST.

I THINK IT IS A VALID ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN.

I AM NOT GOING TO QUESTION ANDY BESHEAR'S STRATEGY.

>> Renee: FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HOW GENERAL CAMERON HAMMED THAT CASE THEY PROBABLY WERE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY SHERMAN BROWN?

>> I THINK THIS ISSUE AN ISSUE IN LOUISVILLE AND CERTAINLY AN ISSUE IN LOUISVILLE AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF LOUISVILLE AND FOLKS THAT HAVE PAID ATTENTION TO THIS WHO HAVE WATCHED IT GO AND HAVE THEIR OPINION OF WHERE THINGS ARE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ADS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF -- AS FAR AS IT BEING AN ISSUE ON THE STRATEGY SIDE YOU ALREADY GOT HIM.

AMY TALKED ABOUT REACHING OUT TO REPUBLICANS AND FIGURING OUT WHERE FOLKS ARE AND THE CAMPAIGN IS LOOKING AT IT FROM AN ISSUE WHERE DO WE GO AND WHAT DO WE TALK ABOUT THAT PULLS PEOPLE TO US NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT THE BASE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> Renee: AND HE TOUTED HIS FROM PERSONAL ORDER OF POLICE ENDORSEMENTS AND HE IS IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE AND THE FOOTAGE WHEN HE HAD THE PROTESTORS THERE.

HE IS DOUBLING DOWN ON LAW AND ORDER PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE AS DOG WHISTLE.

I'VE HEARD THAT.

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY VALID.

I THINK HE'S CONSTANTLY TALKED ABOUT LAW AND ORDER AND TALKED ABOUT THE CRIME BUT TAKEN NO RESPONSIBILITY AS THE COMMONWEALTH'S CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

MEANWHILE, GOVERNOR BESHEAR HAS GIVEN STATE POLICE $15,000 RAISES WHICH LED TO A SURGE IN RECRUITMENT.

SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE OF -- OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN 2023 THE ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIME AND POLICING IS A HOT AND CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

BUT I THINK IT'S ONE THAT THE GOVERNOR BESHEAR WILL GLADLY TAKE ON.

>> Renee: BREONNA TAYLOR HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR AS COVID.

BREONNA TAYLOR MAY NOT HAVE LEGS BUT COVID IS RESONATING THREE TO FOUR YEARS LATER.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

HE CLOSED DOWN CHURCHES, CLOSED DOWN SCHOOLS AND YOU HEAR THAT A LOT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

I THINK THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT RESONATE IN THE RURAL COMMUNITIES.

SO, YES, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HEAR ABOUT THE LINGERING EFFECTS WHETHER IT'S LEARNING LOSS WITH OUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES WHO HAD TO SHUTTER DURING COVID AND NEVER MADE IT BACK.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS THINGS THAT WE ALL SUFFERED THROUGH AND BUSINESSES AND FAMILIES SUFFERED THROUGH DURING COVID.

AND LOOK, THERE'S NO PLAYBOOK HOW TO GOVERN DURING A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC.

RIGHT?

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

ARE THERE THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN COULD HAVE AINDIVIDUALED SOME OF THESE LINGERING EFFECTS AND AFTER EFFECTS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE KENTUCKY YEARS TO DIG OUT OF, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS WHY THAT IS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

>> Renee: ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT SOME OF THE COVID DISCUSSION IN THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN HOW DANIEL CAMERON HAS USE TO DO TO FORM HIS EDUCATION PLAN, HIS COMEBACK PLAN AND HOW HE HAS MADE EDUCATION MORE OF A REPUBLICAN ISSUE AGAIN AND NOW BOTH CANDIDATES ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY HELP PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS.

I WILL LEAVE IT THERE WE'LL HAVE MORE COMMENTARY ON THAT.

ATTORNEY GENERAL CAMERON HAS CERTAINLY USED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY I STAND FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I ALSO STAND FOR PUBLIC TEACHERS.

THAT IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER.

WE'RE ALL PRO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

BOTH CANDIDATES ATTENDED PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL TIES.

>> Renee: AND CAMERON'S WIFE IS AN EDUCATOR.

>> AND SISTER-IN-LAW.

IT'S BEEN INFORMATIVE TO KENTUCKY VOTERS TO SEE THAT PLAN AND HOW EACH LEADER WOULD LEAD IN THAT AREA AND BOTH WOULD RAISE TEACHER WAGES AT LEAST AT THE NEW TEACHER LEVEL.

>> Renee: AND THE FACT THAT GENERAL CAMERON WENT TO A TARGETED AUDIENCE OF SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS AND SAID I'M SORRY IF REPUBLICANS MADE YOU FEEL LESS THAN THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PERSUASIVE BUT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHO I TALKED TO THOUGHT AT ABOY FOR DOING THAT.

IT MAY NOT CHANGE MINDS BECAUSE WHAT HE IS NOT SAYING ABOUT SCHOOL CHOICE AND VOUCHERS, THAT'S IN MUTED TONES.

>> I WANT TO FIRST SAY DURING THE PANDEMIC GOVERNOR BESHEAR SAVED LIVES.

AND THAT'S ALL HE CARED ABOUT DOING AT THE MOMENT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S NO PLAYBOOK.

HE WROTE IT AS HE WENT.

AND I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD A GOVERNOR WHO WAS PUTTING THE LIVES OF KENTUCKIANS AT THE FOREFRONT OF HIS AGENDA AND DID NOT CARE ABOUT POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS AND DID WHAT HE COULD THOUGHT WAS RIGHT.

AS FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, I KNOW I'VE ALSO HEARD GENERAL CAMERON TALK ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION.

BUT I SEE HIS PLANS AND HIS PLANS ARE TO FUNNEL MONEY OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

SO IT'S GREAT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

I LIKE THAT HE'S SAYING THOSE THINGS BUT HIS PLANS WOULD DO THE OPPOSITE AND THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING.

>> JUST TO COUNTER ON THAT QUICK.

I THINK IT'S NOT -- IT'S DEMOCRATS LIKE TO SAY FUNNELING MONEY OUT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION.

WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT GIVING PARENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHOICES ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST EDUCATION PATH FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

AND I THINK ALL PARENTS OUT THERE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE.

>> Renee: SHERMAN?

>> I WAS GOING TO GO BACK ON THE COVID SIDE OF THINGS.

LISTENING TO ANDY BESHEAR DURING COVID NOT WANTING TO INJECT BLEACH INTO THIS BODY.

I THINK FROM THE DONALD TRUMP HE WAS LITERALLY THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE COMING OUT AT THE TIME.

TO TRY TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT WASN'T HAPPENING THAT IS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE SAYING WHO WERE LEADING THE REPUBLICAN CONVERSATION.

SO I'M GLAD WE HAD ANDY BESHEAR FOR US WITH THAT.

AND LOOKING AT SAVING LIVES.

LITERALLY IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

>> Renee: I WANT TO RETURN TO THE QUESTION I BROUGHT UP FROM Mr. COLLINS.

IN A TWEET OR X, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED HE ASKED ABOUT CLOSED PRIMARIES BUT HE ELABORATES AND THE LACK OF ACCESS TO THE BEST CANDIDATES IN ANY ELECTION BEYOND THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE.

SO IS IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE CLOSED PRIMARIES YOU DON'T GET THE BEST CANDIDATE?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHY WE DON'T GET THE BEST CANDIDATE SOMETIMES.

I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST CANDIDATES RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT THERE ARE RUNOFF SYSTEMS IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO CROSS PARTY LINES AND SELECT CANDIDATES RUNOFF SYSTEMS MAKE SENSE.

THERE'S RANK CHOICE VOTING AN INTERESTING APPROACH.

AND IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT NONPARTISAN VOTERS DON'T GET TO VOTE IN PRIMARIES THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

BUT THE IDEA THAT I AS A DEMOCRAT THROUGH AND THROUGH, COULD GO INFLUENCE THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY RIGHT NOW, DOESN'T REALLY LIKE STRENGTHEN THE PROCESS.

AND ALSO IT OPTS ME OUT OF CHOOSING PROBABLY A CANDIDATE THAT I WOULD PREFER IT OPENS UP THE DOOR TO DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RIG THE SYSTEM IN A WAY TO CROSS PARTY LINES IF MY PARTY DIDN'T HAVE A GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY THIS YEAR.

A REAL ONE.

AND THEIRS HAD AN 11-WAY PRIMARY.

DO REPUBLICANS WANT A BUNCH OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS SAYING ANDY'S GOT THIS I WILL VOTE FOR WHO I THINK IS THE WEAKEST REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE?

>> I JUST THINK IT IS A TRICKY SITUATION, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO EVERYTHING.

I THINK THE LAST TIME WE'VE SEEN VOTER REGISTRATION NUMBERS THE INDEPENDENTS ARE 10%.

>> Renee: AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO ARE 18-35 THAT HAVE MORE OF AN INDEPENDENT STREAK.

>> YOU CAN'T IGNORE THEM.

TO SAY I AM A FAN OF RANK CHOICE OR OPEN PRIMARIES I AM NOT AN EXPERT I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BUT I DO THINK IT WHATEVER PATH WE FORGE GOING FORWARD HAS TO BE GREATLY CONSIDERED AND REALLY LEARN FROM OTHER STATES OF HOW THESE OPTIONS HAVE WORKED.

>> Renee: YES.

>> I ALSO THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TO BE GETTING CANDIDATES WHO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO BE MAKING IT MUCH EASIER TO VOTE.

AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND SOME STRIDES HAVE BEEN MADE BUT WE ARE STILL THE ONLY STATE IN THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN'T GET OFF WORK ON ELECTION DAY AND GO VOTE.

POLLS CLOSE AT 6:00 P.M. THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS STILL HAPPENING.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE SAME DAY REGISTRATION.

IT'S WAY TOO HARD TO REGISTER TO VOTE.

IT'S TOO HARD TO PROVE YOUR IDENTITY IT'S EASIER IN OTHER STATES AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN FRAUD AS A RESULT LET'S MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE IN KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: THE THREE-DAY EARLY VOTE SOMETHING ONE WAY TO EXPAND ACCESS.

>> IT IS A NICE STEP.

IT'S STILL TOO HARD FOR FOLKS.

>> AND TO YOUR POINT WHY AREN'T POLLS OPEN LATER ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS RECRUITING PEOPLE TO WORK THE POLLS.

ADDING MORE HOURS JUST ADDS TO THE DIFFICULT SITUATION TO GET PEOPLE TO BE THERE TO WORK THE POLLS AND KEEP THE POLLS OPEN.

WHEN THE LEGISLATURE WORKED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE MICHAEL ADAMS TO START TO EXPAND WHAT VOTING LOOKS LIKE IN KENTUCKY WHICH LOOKS DIFFERENT NOW.

AND IT'S GREAT.

AND PEOPLE ARE EMBRACING IT.

I LOVE EARLY VOTING.

BUT IT'S TO ADD THAT SATURDAY AND ADD SEVERAL OTHER DAYS.

IT MAY NOT BE AS BROAD AS SOME WOULD LIKE IT BUT THEY FOUND A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT WORKS IN KENTUCKY.

>> I WILL ADD I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE STRENGTH OF SECRETARY ADAMS' WITH THE COUNTY CLERKS THAT SOME EXTENDED HOURS WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT POLL WORKERS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME AFTER DISCUSSION.

>> EVERY OTHER STATE CAN DO IT I BELIEVE IN KENTUCKY I BELIEVE WE CAN DO IT.

EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE NATION.

>> Renee: I WANT TO BRING THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S CONTEST AND THE FACT THOSE CANDIDATES WERE HERE LAST MONDAY.

IF YOU MISSED IT GO WASH IT ON-LINE IT IS OWE ON DEMAND.

SECRETARY ADAMS EVOKED GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S NAME MORE THAN DANIEL CAMERON IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DRINKING GAME ABOUT HOW WELL HE WORKED WITH GOVERNOR BESHEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC ERA THAT THERE WAS ACCESS EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A BELATED PRIMARY THAT WENT OFF SUCCESSFULLY AND REPUBLICANS APPROVED OF THE FACT THEY HAD EARLY VOTING CHOICES.

WHAT DOES THE BENEFIT OF A REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE TOUTING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AS MUCH AS HE SEEMED TO DO LAST MONDAY NIGHT?

>> I THINK HE TRULY VIEWS HIS JOB AS ONE THAT IS FOR ALL KENTUCKIANS WHETHER YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

AND SO I THINK TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE HAD THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP COMMUNICATES TO VOTERS THAT AS YOUR CHIEF ELECTION OFFICIAL YOU DON'T WANT THAT PARTISAN REALLY TO SHOW.

SO I THINK HIS ABILITY TO SHOW THAT HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNOR DOES EXACTLY THAT.

>> HOW DO YOU LOOK AT IT?

>> I THINK WHAT YOU WILL HEAR FIRST OF ALL WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE AND MICHAEL ADAMS THEY DIDN'T GIVE THE GOVERNOR ANY CREDIT.

>> HE DIDN'T PASS THE BILL.

>> BUT MICHAEL ADAMS GAVE THE GOVERNOR CREDIT AND IN 2020 HE WAS GIVING THE GOVERNOR CREDIT AND WORKING WITH HIM.

AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE BUD BUD CAMPAIGN IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MICHAEL ADAMS SAID VOTER TURNOUT IS NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

BUDDY WHEATLEY WANTS TO TAKE THAT ON AND MAKE SURE WE GET INCREASED TURNOUT, OUT AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT STUART WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT EASIER TO VOTE AND LOOKING AT WAYS CAN WE GO FURTHER AND TRYING TO PUSH THAT.

>> IF I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, I WOULD BE TOUTING MY RELATIONSHIP WITH ANDY BESHEAR, TOO.

VERY POPULAR.

BUT I THINK IT DOES KIND OF UNDERMINE DANIEL CAMERON'S POINT ABOUT ANDY'S INABILITY TO WORK WITH THE OTHER PARTY IF SOMEBODY ON THE TICKET RIGHT NOW IS SAYING WHAT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP HE HAS WITH ANDY BESHEAR.

>> Renee: OK.

GOING BACK TO THE GOVERNOR'S RACE THIS QUESTION FROM JEFFERSON COUNTY, QUOTE DANIEL CAMERON SAYS THAT GOVERNOR BESHEAR IS SOFT ON CRIME BUT WHY DIDN'T HE INVESTIGATE, MEANING DANIEL CAMERON, MATT BEVIN'S PARDONS FROM HIS TIME AS GOVERNOR?

>> I, OF COURSE, CANNOT OFFER ANYTHING INSIDE OF THAT DECISION.

I DO BELIEVE HE REQUESTED A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK THEY JUST LET IT SIT THERE.

WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IGNORED.

>> Renee: IS THAT A BIG ISSUE SHOULD THAT PLAY MORE IN THE RACE?

>> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TOO DETAILED FOR AN AD.

>> THOSE ARE REALLY BAD PEOPLE THAT HE LET OUT OF PRISON AND DANIEL CAMERON'S WATCH THEY WERE ALLOWED TO STAY.

>> ADAM HALEY SAYS QUOTE THERE IS NO THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE RUNNING IN THIS ELECTION UNLIKE 2019 WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE ON THE RACE?

>> WELL, I THINK ANYTIME THERE IS A THIRD PARTY YOU KNOW, AND YOU RUN THE RISK OF LOSING A TINY PERCENTAGE AND IN A RACE LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE, WHATEVER WINS THIS RACE IS NOT GOING TO WIN BY 10 POINTS.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE IT RUNS THE RISK OF MONKEYING WITH EVERYTHING ON ELECTION DAY TO BE HONEST.

>> NO POLLING HAS INCLUDED A THIRD PARTY.

TO AMY'S POINT NO POLLING WE'VE SEEN HAS HAD A THIRD PARTY GIVING YOU ANOTHER OPTION OTHER THAN DANIEL CAMERON AND ANDY BESHEAR.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES, WHO IT TAKES AWAY FROM OR HELPS EITHER WAY.

>> FIRST OF ALL, HELLO ADAM HALEY.

[LAUGHTER] AND AMY.

BUT I THINK IT WILL MAKE AN INTERESTING DIFFERENCE IN COUNTIES PARTICULARLY COUNTIES IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK HOW NORTHERN KENTUCKY MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE ELECTION.

TWO OF THREE COUNTIES IS A WIN FOR EITHER CANDIDATE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

IN OUR LAST GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION, CAMPBELL COUNTY HAD THE SAME NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS TURNING OUT TO VOTE AS THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS THEY WERE .2 PERCENTAGE POINTS APART IN THE TURNOUT.

THAT CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTY LIKE CAMPBELL COUNTY, BESIDESSABLE DEMOGRAPHIC AND IMPORTANT PART OF THE STATE, NOT HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPLIT THE VOTE TO TURN THINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR THE CANDIDATES.

>> .

>> Renee: WHAT OTHER COUNTIES THIS IS PIVOTAL FOR X CANDIDATE AND Y COUNTY, MADISON COUNTY?

>> ALWAYS, WARREN COUNTY IS ON THE MAP SOMETHING WE WILL BE WATCHING.

JEFFERSON COUNTY WILL BE ONE TO WATCH.

AND YOU WATCH JEFFERSON COUNTY NOT BECAUSE DANIEL CAMERON IS GOING TO WIN YOU WATCH JEFFERSON AND FAYETTE TO SEE HOW MUCH DAB DAN CAN HOLD THE GOVERNOR TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VOTES AND YOUR NORTHERN KENTUCKY COUNTIES, BOON AND CAMPBELL TO SEE HOW THE COUNTIES TURNOUT.

IN JEFFERSON COUNTY KEEP IN MIND IS THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT GAINS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY.

AND SO WILL THAT TRANSLATE TO HELPING DANIEL CAMERON REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

BUT IT DOES TREND THAT WAY.

THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL BE LOOKING FOR ESPECIALLY IN THE DISTRICTS.

>> Renee: MOTIVATED BY THE CRIME RATES THAT COULD BE MORE IMPACTFUL.

>> AND YOU SAW THAT IN THE COURIER JOURNAL THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT SOUTHWEST LOUISVILLE AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE INROADS RECENTLY IN AN UNEXPECTED COUNTY IN THE STATE COULD SEE CHANGE THERE.

>> I'M WATCHING WESTERN KENTUCKY AND NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

LOUISVILLE, JEFFERSON COUNTY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BLUE AND IF WE'RE USING THE SAME TERMINOLOGY TRYING TO TAKE AWAY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BLUE.

WESTERN KENTUCKY AND NORTHERN KENTUCKY NOT NORMALLY PLACES FOR DEMOCRATS TO WIN NOT LATELY.

WESTERN KENTUCKY USED TO BE BUT NOT NOW.

THE RED AND THE PINK AND TRYING TO GET INTO THESE COMMUNITIES AND COUNTIES AND GETTING OUT AND VOTE GETTING 200 VOTES HERE, 400 VOTES THERE, INCREASING THAT ADDS UP OVER THE COURSE AND IT GOES BACK TO THE GROUND GAME WHAT I BELIEVE WHAT ANDY BESHEAR HAS BEEN DOING.

>> Renee: AND THAT CAN EXPLAIN THE STRATEGY OF THE GOVERNOR RELEASING TWO ADS ONE THAT FOCUSED ON EASTERN KENTUCKY RELIEF AND HAVE THE ONE WITH WESTERN KENTUCKY THE MAYOR MAYFIELD MAYOR WALKING WITH THE GOVERNOR.

I MEAN IS THAT IMPACTFUL?

AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE CRITICISM ABOUT OK, WHERE DID THAT RELIEF MONEY GO AND IT WENT SOME WENT TO PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T SUFFER FROM IT.

AND THEN ON THE EASTERN PART OF THE STATE THERE WAS BOTCHED DEBRIS REMOVAL WHERE THERE WAS DEBRIS REMOVED FROM PEOPLE STILL LIVING IN THOSE HOMES AND THEY DIDN'T GET ANY NOTICE.

THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THAT STORY.

>> IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A CAMPAIGN STANDPOINT, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE POLLING LOOKS LIKE IN CERTAIN AREAS HE IS RUNNING ON ADS AND RUNNING IN THE AREAS TALKING TO THE PEOPLE TO VOTE AND LOOKING AT THIS AS THE FOLKS IN THE MIDDLE.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT MADE UP THEIR MINDS.

THE AVERAGE VOTER IN WESTERN KENTUCKY WHO IS IN THE MIDDLE IS WATCHING THAT AD AND REMEMBERING HOW THEY FELT.

THERE IS A PICTURE OF HIM WALKING DOWN DAWSON SPRINGS CAULKING DOWN THE STREET WHERE EVERYTHING IS DECIMATED THERE IS A PICTURE OF BIDEN STRANDING IN THE FRONT AND ANDY BESHEAR IS IN THE BACKGROUND GIVING PEOPLE A HUG.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE REMEMBER.

WHAT THEY FELT WHEN HE SHOWED UP AND HUGGING THEM THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE OK AND HE WASN'T LEAVING THEM.

SAME THING IN EASTERN KENTUCKY WITH THE FLOODING GOING THERE AND BEING IN THE COUNTIES WHERE THIS WAS HAPPENING LOOKING WORKING WITH THE JUDGE THERE NOT A DEMOCRAT AREA WORKING WITH REPUBLICANS PUTTING ALL THAT NOT EVEN ADDRESSING IT, JUST WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE AND WORKING WITH KENTUCKIANS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

>> I THINK ANYTIME YOU TALK ABOUT DISASTER RESPONSE ON THIS SCALE AND GOVERNOR BESHEAR BROUGHT BACK OVER $1.2 BILLION THAT NEEDED TO BE PUT TO USE VERY QUICKLY PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS FIND REASONS TO PICK ABOUT HOW IT WAS SPENT AND WE SHOULD ANALYZE HOWEVER DIME IS SPENT AND SPENT AS EFFICIENTLY AS IT CAN.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT HIS LEADERSHIP AND THAT FUNDING WAS IT CHANGED PEOPLE'S LIVES AND HELPED HIM GET BACK ON THEIR FEET AND WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

BUT I THINK WE LOOK BACK ON THOSE THINGS AND SAY THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.

AND I THINK THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND ARE GRATEFUL FOR IT.

>> Renee: YOU MENTIONED BIDEN APPEARAPPEARING IN A COMMON YO E AD.

CAMEO IN THE AD.

THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE THAT AIRED BEFORE US ON ANOTHER CHANNEL, GOVERNOR BESHEAR MADE A JOKE THAT HE SAID HE WAS PLACING HIS OVER UNDER THAT CAMERON WOULD SAY BIDEN 16 TIMES.

WE WERE PREPARING FOR THE BROADCAST SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT.

BUT THAT CONNECTION APPEARS TO BE AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY OF THE CAMERON CAMPAIGN TO CONSTANTLY CONNECT BESHEAR TO PRESIDENT BIDEN WHO IS EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR IN KENTUCKY.

>> DANIEL CAMERON SHOULD BE USING THAT STRATEGY BECAUSE KENTUCKY OVERWHELMINGLY DISFAVORS JOE BIDEN.

AND IN RECENT POLLS ONE AS RECENT AS OCTOBER 1, JOE BIDEN HAD A 26% RATING HERE IN KENTUCKY IN ONE CONDUCTED IN AUGUST HE HAD A 34% APPROVAL RATING.

SO JOE BIDEN JUST DOES NOT RANK WELL WITH KENTUCKY VOTERS AND IT BEHOOVES DAN DOWNTOWN TO TRY TO MAKE THAT LINK AS OFTEN AS HE CAN WHICH IS WHY HE IS DOING IT.

>> Renee: PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

>> WE NATIONALIZE THE RACE IT HAPPENS ON BOTH SIDES NO SURPRISE HERE.

>> Renee: THAT IS WHY YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION IN AN OFF YEAR SO YOU DON'T FURTHER NATIONALIZE THE RACE?

>> IN PREPRESIDENTIAL YEARS WE'VE SEEN THE EFFECT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE BLEED IN AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HERE IT HAS IN PAST ELECTIONS AND I THINK THIS WILL BE NO EXCEPTION.

>> I'M NOT SURE THAT I AGREE THAT IT IS AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY.

IT'S CLEARLY THE STRATEGY.

AND IF I WAS DANIEL CAMERON I WOULD BE WANTING TO RUN AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND NOT ANDY BESHEAR, TOO.

I HAVE NOT SEEN TRACTION ON THAT IN MEANINGFUL WAY WHERE PEOPLE -- >> Renee: HOW DO YOU MEASURE HOW WELL THAT IS RESONATING?

>> THE POLLS ARE NOT MOVING BETWEEN 6-16%.

AND SO I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU HAVE A CHALLENGER.

KENTUCKY KNOWS ANDY BESHEAR THEY KNOW HIS RECORD.

SO YOU CAN SAY JOE BIDEN EVERY 90 SECONDS WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WESTERN KENTUCKY FORUM LAST WEEK.

BUT PEOPLE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ANDY BESHEAR AND SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEEDLE MOVING ON THAT.

>> Renee: OK.

QUESTION I DON'T HAVE A PLACE OR A PERSON.

THIS IS A QUESTION.

QUOTE, WHAT DO YOUR GUESTS THINK ABOUT THE TOPIC OF WHETHER BESHEAR OR CAMERON WILL FINISH OUT THEIR GOVERNOR'S TERM IF ELECTED OR COULD THE WINNER ENTER THE U.S. SENATE RACE AND IT WAS POSED THE A DEBATE LAST WEEK IN WESTERN KENTUCKY THEY SEEMED TO SAY I WILL STICK IS IT OUT.

>> THEY DID.

THEY ARE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE THERE.

>> Renee: END OF DISCUSSION UNTIL IT IS A CHANGED MIND.

>> UNTIL IT'S TIME.

>> Renee: UNINTENTIONS OF THE TIME ARE TO DO THE FULL TERM.

THIS QUESTION ANY DOWN BALLOT SURPRISES?

THE CALLER ASKED IF THERE WILL BE SURPRISED IN THE DOWN BALLOT RACES AND I'M GLAD YOU HAVE POINTED THIS OUT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL AND HISTORICAL FACT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT TWO WOMEN HAVE GONE HEAD-TO-HEAD IN A GENERAL ELECTION, CORRECT WITH CAM READER THE DEMOCRAT AND ALLISON BALL THE REPUBLICAN BIDDING FOR STATE AUDITOR?

>> GREAT FACT LOVE TO SEE IT.

I'M A FAN OF ANY WOMAN WHO WANTS TO JUMP IN A RACE.

LOVE TO SEE MORE WOMEN INVOLVED WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE FEMALE VOTERS OUTNUMBER MALE REGISTRATION IN KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: BUT THE POWER I AM BACK-TO-SCHOOL IS STILL THERE.

>> WE HAVE TO WORK TO CORRECT AT THAT TIME.

LISTEN, ALLISON BALL HAS A PROVEN REGARD AS OUR STATE TREASURER.

SHE IS PROVEN TO BE A DYNAMIC AND ENGAGING LEADER AND I THINK SHE WILL CARRY THOSE PRINCIPALS INTO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE.

SHE HAS BEEN THE TOP VOTE GETTER.

IN THE LAST PRIMARY SHE WAS THE TOP VOTE GETTER OVER ANYBODY.

I SEE THAT SHE WILL WIN ON ELECTION DAY.

>> Renee: KIM READER THE DEMOCRAT WHO HAS AN IMPRESSIVE BACKGROUND SHE HAS AN ALL AMERICAN STORY OF GROWING UP IN POVERTY TO A MOTHER WHO HERSELF HAD 11 CHILDREN OR SOMETHING.

IT IS AMAZING.

AND SHE IS IVY LEAGUE EDUCATED BUT THIS IS HER FIRST TIME RUNNING FOR STATE-WIDE OFFICE.

>> FUNDRAISING LOOKS GOOD.

SHE'S BEEN OUT SHE IS GREAT ON THE STUMP AS FAR AS SPEAKING AND CONNECTING WITH FOLKS.

I'VE ONLY BEEN AROUND A COUPLE TIMES FOR HER EVENTS.

BUT YEAH, SHE'S KILL TO GO THE NEW NAME AS FAR AS FOLKS WE'VE GOT ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

I'M WATCHING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RACE BECAUSE THE DEMOCRAT ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RACE AMY BROUGHT IT UP THAT LOUISIANA NOW NOT HAVING RACES THE DEMOCRAT ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ASSOCIATION COMING IN SPENDING MONEY FOR COLONEL PAM WILL BE INTERESTING TO WATCH AS WELL.

>> Renee: THE WHOLE LICENSING THING?

>> IS SHE LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY HAS THAT BEEN RECTIFIED?

>> SHE IS LEGALLY QUALIFIED TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> IS SHE LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN KENTUCKY?

THAT IS JUST A FACT.

>> BUT TO ME, IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP MAKING HAY OF THIS THING THAT HAS NO BEARING 0 AND HER QUALIFICATIONS TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND IT SEEMS DISRESPECTFUL.

>> AS THE ONLY ATTORNEY ON THE PANEL IT HAS BEARING TO ME AS A MEMBER OF THE BAR ASSOCIATION.

>> SHE ALWAYS HAS FOLLOWED THE LETTER OF THE LAW I'M NOT SURE WE CAN SAY THAT ABOUT DANIEL CAMERON QUALIFICATIONS SHE SHE SERVED 27 YEARS AS AN ATTORNEY.

SHE SERVED FOR -- >> Renee: HAS SHE PRACTICED ILLEGALLY?

>> RECIPROCITY SHE IS QUALIFIED TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> .

>> Renee: WHY NOT GET YOUR PAPERS IN ORDER?

>> BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON TO.

SHE ABIDED BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

>> Renee: IT'S TAKING UP OXYGEN IN THE RACE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE IS NOT INSTEAD OF WHAT SHE IS.

>> THAT IS AN ODD MESSAGING PROBLEM THAT IS HAPPENING.

I DON'T YOU HAD WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NONISSUE IF SHE IS QUALIFIED TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHE IS QUALIFIED TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

DANIEL CAMERON WASN'T NECESSARY QUALIFIED TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HE NEVER TRIED A CASE.

>> Renee: AND I REMEMBER THAT CLEARLY WHEN I HAD HE AND GREG IN ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH WAS HAVE YOU EVER PROSECUTED A CASE?

AND HE HAD A SERIES OF NO'S.

IS THAT DISINGENUOUS FOR YOUR SIDE TO SAY SHE IS NOT A PRACTICING ATTORNEY IN KENTUCKY?

>> THINK IT IS JUST A QUESTION THAT NO ONE IS WILLING TO ANSWER AND I FIND THAT INTERESTING.

I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO IS QUALIFIED AND WHO IS LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN KENTUCKY AND THAT IS RUSSELL COLEMAN.

THERE'S PERHAPS NO ONE BETTER QUALIFIED FOR THIS SEAT AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF KENTUCKY FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY, FORMER F.B.I.

AGENT, WHEN HE SPEAKS I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING AROUND HIM FOR THE LAST MONTH AND WHEN HE SPEAKS TO PEOPLE HE REALLY SPEAKS THROUGH A COUPLE OF LENSES.

ONE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND HE SPEAKS THROUGH THE LENS OF BEING A FATHER.

AND KEEPING KENTUCKY SAFE.

AND MAKING KENTUCKY A SAFE PLACE AGAIN.

AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO BREAK THE LAWS ARE GOING TO BE PUNISHED.

HE ALSO SPEAKS THROUGH THE LENS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF THE STATE AS WE CALL IT, THEN RUSSELL COLEMAN HAS THE CREDENTIALS.

RAISED OVER $1 MILLION THAT IS THE MOST OF ANY DOWN BALLOT RACE AND HEADS INTO THE LAST 30 DAYS WITH $800,000 TO SPEND.

I THINK HE'S HAD AN INCREDIBLE RACE THAT HE HAS BEEN RUNNING.

AND I THINK THAT HE WILL BEAR OUT THE WINNER.

>> AS A FATHER RUSSELL COLEMAN SCARES ME.

HE HAS SAID THAT HE WANTS TO FOLLOW IN THE LEGACY OF DANIEL CAMERON ON THE ISSUES OF ABORTION.

DANIEL CAMERON IS THE PERSON WHO WENT AND DEFENDED THE MOST EXTREME ANTIABORTION LAW IN THE COUNTRY.

A LAW THAT SAYS A NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL SHOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE THE BABY OF HER RAPIST AND I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING AND TERRIFYING.

I THINK IT IS A DISQUALIFICATION IN A REALLY REAL SENSE.

>> Renee: BUT RU RUSS CASSADILE COLEMAN SAYS HE DOES FAVOR THOSE CONCESSIONS.

>> HE IS NOT THE FIRST POLITICIAN TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM A POSITION THAT HE FINDS UNPOPULAR.

HE ANSWERED NUMEROUS SURVEYS THAT HAVE SAID THAT HE WILL SUPPORT A LAW WITHOUT EXEMPTIONS HE CAN BE DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM THE PREVIOUS STATEMENTS.

HE CAN SAY I SIGNED THAT PLEDGE AND I CHANGED MY MIND.

HE HASN'T DONE THAT.

SO HE'S CHANGED HIS RHETORIC BUT HE HAS A CLEAR TRACK RECORD THAT HE'S DONE NOTHING TO REVERSE.

>> Renee: IS THERE ANY PERSUASIVENESS IN THE ARGUMENT YOU WANT TO KEEP THE GOVERNOR DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUPER MAJORITY REPUBLICAN REIN IN THE LEGISLATURE AND YOUR JUDICIARY IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE CONSERVATIVE.

IS THAT NOT SOME KIND OF CHECKS AND BALANCES TO PERHAPS REELECT THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR FOR THE REASONS OF HAVING CHECKS AND BALANCES?

>> THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

I THINK WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THIS POINT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAUCUSES IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I THINK THEY'VE CREATED CHECKS AND BALANCES AS WELL.

LOOK, LOOK, I THINK THAT IT IS GOOD FOR KENTUCKY TO HAVE A FIRST FLOOR THAT WORKS VERY WELL WITH THAT THIRD FLOOR IN THE CAPITOL.

I JUST DO.

I THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR KENTUCKIANS.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH DIFFERING OF OPINIONS AMONG ALL THE REPUBLICANS IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE A CLEAN SWEEP OF SOME IDEOLOGY SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SCARE WITH.

I THINK LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME FOR CHECKS AND BALANCES BUT I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS ENOUGH REASON TO CONTINUE ON WITH A DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR.

>> Renee: THE LAST WORD.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE HEARING FROM THE GOVERNOR.

HE IS NOT SAYING I AM A CHECK AND BALANCE.

THE DEBATE TONIGHT IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY TALKING ABOUT POSITIVITY AND THE ECONOMY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF THINGS AND SAYING HOW POSITIVE THE WAY HE SEES KENTUCKY.

CONTRAST THAT AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE REST OF THIS.

AND THAT IS CAMERON'S JOB TO BE FAIR HE SHOULD BE SAYING.

IF YOU ARE RUNNING AGAINST AN INCUMBENT WITH A 64% APPROVAL RATING YOU HAVE TO SAY, HEY THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING WELL.

I DON'T THINK THE MESSAGE IS RESONATING WHERE YOU WILL SEE THE POLLS THE WAY THEY ARE.

>> Renee: WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

GOOD CONVERSATION THIS IS FUN ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHOWS.

THANK YOU.

GOOD JOB FOR BEING A FIRST-TIMER.

YOU HAD GOOD HELP TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

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