[♪♪] GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

BY THIS TIME TOMORROW, WE COULD KNOW THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF KENTUCKY•AS WELL AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY OF STATE, TREASURER, AUDITOR, AND COMMISSIONER OF AGRICULTURE.

TOMORROW IS ELECTION DAY, BUT 260,000 KENTUCKIANS HAVE ALREADY CAST EARLY VOTES.

HOW DO THINGS LOOK, ON ELECTION EVE, AND WHAT SHOULD YOU EXPECT TOMORROW?

TO DISCUSS ALL THAT, WE ARE JOINED IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO BY: TRES WATSON, FOUNDER OF CAPITOLREINSPR AND HOST OF THE KYPOLWEEKLY PODCAST; WILL CARLE, DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL STRATEGIST AND PRESIDENT OF OPINE STRATEGIES; REBECCA HARTSOUGH, SENIOR POLICY DIRECTOR AT BABBAGE COFOUNDER; AND KELSEY HAYES COOTS, PRINCIPAL AT BLUE DOT CONSULTING.

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ELECTION EVE, HOW DO WE FEEL?

>> ALMOST HERE.

>> Renee: TRES, THE NAME OF THE PODCAST AGAIN.

>> POLITICS WEEKLY.

>> Bill: IF YOU ARE DANIEL CAMERON HOW DO YOU FEEL?

>> PRETTY GOOD MANY HE IS COMING ON STRONG LATE.

WE HAD THE EMERSON POLL SHOW THE RACE TIED.

AND I THINK HE'S REALLY COMING INTO HIS OWN.

HIS MESSAGES, HAS BEEN HONED IT IS MORE FOCUSED.

HE IS CROWDING OUT THE OUTSIDE GROUPS.

IT'S MORE HIS MESSAGE NOW AND THAT IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS BOOST HE IS HAVING TOWARDS THE END HIS MESSAGE IS TAKING HOLD AND I THINK HE'S POISED FOR GOOD ELECTION NIGHT.

>> Renee: IN ABOUT, WHAT, 50 SOMETHING MINUTES FROM NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING WHAT IS THIS?

>> TELETOWN RALLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> Renee: WHAT IS THAT ABOUT?

>> HE DID ONE DURING THE PRIMARY AS WELL.

I CALLED IN TO HEAR WHAT IT WAS IN THE PRIMARY.

IT WAS SHORT JUST THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYING POSITIVE WORDS ABOUT DANIEL CAMERON AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO VOTE.

>> Renee: IS IT PRERECORDED?

>> IT WAS LIVE.

IT WAS SHORT DURING THE PRIMARY BUT IT WAS THERE IS A LOT OF VOTERS -- TRUMP'S INTERESTING BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA DID NOT HAVE IT.

GEORGE W. BUSH DID NOT HAVE IT.

AND IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT TRANSFER RENS WHERE YOUR PT SUPPORTERS WILL SUPPORT OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU RECOMMEND.

IT'S VERY, VERY RARE IN POLITICS AND TRUMP HAS IT.

THE PEOPLE WILL ACTIVATE WHEN HE CALLS UPON THEM.

I THINK FOR CAMERON, THAT'S A BIG GET.

BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE PRIMARY AND WHAT ROCKETED HIM PAST THE FIELD BY WIDE MARGINS WHAT THAT TRUMP SUPPORT.

>> Renee: THE TELEPHONE CALL MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT THE AD SAYING DANIEL IS HIS GUY THOUGH HE DOES FACE FOUR INDICTMENTS AND 90 SOMETHING FELONY CHARGES.

WILL, IF YOU ARE ANDY BESHEAR HOW DO YOU FEEL?

>> YOU FEEL GOOD.

GOVERNOR'S RUN A STRONG CAMPAIGN.

HE'S DONE SOME INCREDIBLE THINGS ECONOMICALLY FOR THE COMMONWEALTH.

HE'S BEEN A CONSTANT LEADER FOR FOLKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH ESPECIALLY CREATING A SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S VISION VERSUS DIVISION.

AND REPUBLICANS ARE CLOSING RANKS BUT THE GOVERNOR HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD AND HE WILL WIN.

>> Renee: WELCOME.

THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME ON "KENTUCKY TONIGHT".

AND WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT AS WELL.

THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE REFRAINS WE HEARD FROM THE GOVERNOR IN THE LAST FEW DEBATES AND SOME APPEARANCES YOU KNOW ME.

HOW POWERFUL IS THAT?

>> IT'S INCREDIBLY POWERFUL THAT IS WHY EVERYBODY CALLS HIM ANDY.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHO THE GOVERNOR IS AS A PERSON AND THEY MAY SAY, I MAYBE DON'T AGREE WITH HIM ON EVERY ISSUE BUT THEY TRUST WHEN HE IS SHOWING UP TO WORK HE IS SHOWING UP FOR THEM.

HE HAD TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM EVERYDAY FOR TWO YEARS.

THEY KNOW EVEN IF HE HAS HAD TO MAKE HARD CHOICES OR DO THINGS THAT HE'S GOT THEIR BEST INTEREST AT HEART.

HE HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR SOMETHING THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE ELECTION.

AND INSTEAD OF AGAINST SOMEONE.

AND I THINK THAT HAS RESONATED WITH VOTERS.

>> Renee: EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN PEOPLE'S HOMES FOR A LONGTIME WITH THE DAILY PRESS CONFERENCES DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC SOME PEOPLE FELT LIKE THIS RESTRICTIONS WENT ON TOO LONG AND TOO STRONG AND THAT COULD HAVE PEOPLE SOUR ON HIM WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN FANS BEFORE.

>> IT COULD.

I DO THINK THAT HINDSIGHT IS 2020 AND PEOPLE KNOW HE WAS MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS HE COULD WITH THE INFORMATION HE COULD IN THE UNPRECEDENTED TIME.

PEOPLE RESPECTED HIS LEADERSHIP.

THEY LOOKED AT HIM WHEN THEY WERE SCARED SO I DO THINK THAT LED TO PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THEY KNOW WHO HE IS AS A PERSON NOT JUST A POLITICIAN.

>> Renee: REBECCA, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR DEBATE PERFORMANCES AND PUBLIC APPEARANCES OR JOINT APPEARANCES TOGETHER, DO YOU THINK THAT HAD ANY PERSUADABLE POWER WITH KENTUCKY VOTERS?

AND THE MESSAGES THAT PERHAPS THEY REFINED AS THEY KEPT DOING THEM?

>> RIGHT.

THERE WERE SEVERAL DEBATES.

ULTIMATELY HEARING THOSE MESSAGES OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU HEARD THE GOVERNOR'S POSITION AND YOU HEARD GENERAL CAMERON'S POSITION THERE WAS A GETTING TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER AND THE GOVERNOR HAS HAD THE PULPIT FOR LONGER IN TERMS OF EXPOSURE.

THE INTRODUCTION AND THE CONNECTION PROBABLY DID BETTER IN TERMS OF CAMERON GETTING TO KNOW THE VOTERS AND VOTERS GETTING TO KNOW HIM.

DO I THINK IT IMPACTEDDED?

ABSOLUTELY.

DEBATES THAT IS WHERE YOU HONE YOUR MESSAGES.

AND I THINK THEY BOTH HAD STRONG PERFORMANCES.

I THINK THAT GENERAL CAMERON'S PERFORMANCES TOWARDS THE END HE CAME ON STRONG AS MOST PEOPLE FELT HIS LAST COUPLE DEBATES WERE THE BEST.

AND SO CONNECTING WITH VOTERS AND MAKING THE CASE ESPECIALLY, I THINK, REPUBLICANS ARE FEELING LIKE HAVING SORT OF THE ELECTION BEING NOVEMBER 7 RATHER THAN NOVEMBER 2 IS THEY ARE FEELING THEY ARE GETTING STRONGER AND STRONGER TOWARDS THAT END OF OCTOBER AND HAVING ANOTHER FIVE DAYS OR ANOTHER WEEK TO DOME IN AND CLOSE THE CASE THAT THEY ARE MAKING GAINS HERE.

>> Renee: SOME AS WE SAID, 260,000 HAVE DECIDED TO CAST THE VOTES EARLY.

WE WONDER IF THEY HAD HAD THEIR MIND MADE UP BEFORE THIS CAME TO A CLOSE?

>> CERTAINLY THE CASE THERE.

YOU ARE SEEING IN TERMS OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS AND THE BREAKDOWNS THERE.

I LOOKED AT THE EARLY NUMBERS AND THERE IS A LEAD.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE VOTED BUT YOU KNOW THE REGISTRATIONS.

RIGHT NOW, THE DEMOCRATS ARE LEADING BY 30,000 IN TERMS OF EARLY VOTING NUMBERS.

>> Renee: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF GENERAL CAMERON LISTENS TO THAT AND HEARS 30,000 LEANING TOWARD BESHEAR IN THE EARLY NUMBERS WHAT DOES HE TAKEAWAY FROM THAT?

>> I HAVE MITCH McCONNELL IN A STATE THAT NEVER RUN IN KENTUCKY WHEN IT'S BEEN A MAJORITY REPUBLICAN STATE AND HE WINS BY 20 POINTS.

THE REGISTRATION DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN HOW YOU VOTE.

AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, WE'VE HAD EARLY VOTING FOR ONE ELECTION CYCLE WHO KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS.

IT WILL TAKE A COUPLE CYCLES IN THE GOVERNOR'S ELECTION YEAR THESE RESULTS ARE WEIRD.

WHEN I LOOK, I ONLY PULL GOVERNOR'S ELECTION YEARS AND COMPARE THOSE TO THOSE.

IT'S HARD TO COMPARE TURNOUT TO THE OTHER CYCLES.

IT WILL TAKE 12 TO 16 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EARLY VOTING MEANS AND TRANSLATE IT FOR GOVERNOR'S ELECTIONS.

>> Renee: I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE POINT OF EARLY VOTING AND THE PATTERNS.

I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHEN DANIEL CAMERON HAS THE AD THAT SAYS ANDY'S LIKABLE ENOUGH HE IS A NICE GUY.

AND SO IT'S LIKE FOR REPUBLICANS WHO SAY I REALLY LIKE ANDY BESHEAR.

AND SO MAYBE THAT IS PERSUASIVE ENOUGH FOR THEM.

HE HAS A REBUTTAL TO THAT GENERAL CAMERON DOES?

>> IT'S A CASE I'VE BEEN PLEADING ON THE RADIO EVERY WEEK, I HAD NOT BEEN IN THE HERALD LEADER SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISLIKE ANDY BESHEAR TO SAY WE NEED A NEW GOVERNOR.

THERE IS A TRACK RECORD OF THINGS THAT ANDY BESHEAR REFUSED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.

REFUSED TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF.

THAT YOU CAN LOOK AND SAY I LIKE ANDY BESHEAR HE SEEMS LIKE A NICE GUY BUT WE NEED A NEW GOVERNOR THOSE ARE NOT INCOMPATIBLE MESSAGES AND THE DAM RON CAMPAIGN -- CAMERON CAMPAIGN SUNK THEIR TEETH INTO.

LEARNING LOSS IN SCHOOLS AND ECONOMY AND COVID.

AND THE CLOSING MESSAGE WAS I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DISLIKE THE GUY, I'M SIGHING WE NEED A NEW GOVERNOR AND I THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE WHO WERE ON FENCE AN OPENING TO SAY HE IS RIGHT.

I DO WANT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN THIS IS I AREPUBLICAN MAJORITY STATE BUT PEOPLE LIKE ANDY.

AND GIVING PEOPLE THE OUT TO SAY I WILL VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN EVEN THOUGH I LIKE THIS GUY IT'S IMPORTANT.

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE ALSO TIRED OF NEGATIVITY ALL AROUND.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE SEEING TWO CANDIDATES IN THEIR GENERAL DEMEANOR, IS THAT THEY ARE FAIRLY POSITIVE.

SO I THINK HITTING HOME THE MESSAGES ABOUT JUST THE DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF POLICIES IS THE IMPORTANT THING.

YOU CAN SAY BOTH PEOPLE ARE NICE GUYS BUT WHERE YOU DO STAND IN TERMS OF POLICY AND VISION FOR THE STATE.

>> Renee: DID GENERAL CAMERON MAKE THE CLOSING ARGUMENT FOR FIRING ANDY BESHEAR AS GOVERNOR?

DO YOU THINK WHETHER IT'S UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE OR THE HANDLING OF COVID OR LEARNING LOSS, WAS IT STRONG ENOUGH FOR KENTUCKIANS TO DECIDE HE SHOULD BE OUT?

>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY HE DID NOT MAKE THAT CLOSING ARGUMENT.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE REASON WHY THAT THAT AD CAME AT THE END WAS BECAUSE HE THREW EVERYTHING ELSE AT THE WALL AND IT WASN'T WORKING.

HE SAID PEOPLE DO LIKE ANDY I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PULL HIS NEGATIVES DOWN, MAKE HIS NEGATIVES GO UP AND PULL HIM DOWN.

I AM GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE IS A GOOD GUY.

TO ME IT SEEMED LIKE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STRATEGY BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE WAS STICKING.

>> Renee: HOW DO YOU SEE IT, WILL?

>> I THINK DANIEL CAMERON HAS RUN A VERY STRANGE CAMPAIGN.

>> Renee: SDRANG?

>> YES.

-- STRANGE.

>> YES.

>> HE FLIP FLOPPED ON ABORTION.

TALKED ABOUT HIGH CRIME RATES WHEN HE IS THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

HE BLAMED GOVERNOR BESHEAR FOR JOB LOSSES THAT AREN'T THERE.

EVEN WITH THE NEW FORD ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE LAP.

I THINK HE'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO THROW ANYTHING AT THE WALL TO SEE IF IT STICKS.

AND THAT'S BEEN TYPICAL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY UNFORTUNATELY IN KENTUCKY FOR A LONGTIME NOW.

OVER THE PAST FEW ELECTION CYCLES WHERE THEY ARE LOOKING TO MAKE THE GOVERNOR LOOK BAD.

AND THIS GOVERNOR HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY STRONG LEADER FROM DAY ONE SINCE HIS INAUGURATION IN 2019.

>> Renee: IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE WORKING IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLL SHOWS THEM IN A DEAD HEAT?

>> I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE CLOSING RANKS.

BUT THEY ARE CROSSING OVER AND ENOUGH NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO REELECTION BESHEAR.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REGISTRATION NUMBERS.

WAS IT LAST SUMMER WHERE REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY GAINED AND OUTNUMBERED REGISTERED DEMOCRATS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN STATE HISTORY NOW IT'S 75,000 MORE REPUBLICANS THAN REGISTERED DEMOCRATS.

HOW IMPACTFUL IS THAT?

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS VOTED A PARTICULAR WAY.

>> THAT IS THE WAY YOU LOOK AND SEE THE MESSAGE OVER THE LAST ELECTIONS WE'VE WON EVERYTHING SO APPARENTLY IT'S WORKING.

>> Renee: EXCEPT FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

>> THAT IS BECAUSE WE RAN WITH A FLAWED CANDIDATE FOUR YEARS AGO.

THE BESHEAR IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY HAVE RUN THREE GOVERNORS CAMPAIGNS AGAINST THREE FLAWED CANDIDATES.

NOW THEY ARE UP AGAINST A CANDIDATE WHO HAS MUCH FEWER FLAWS TO BITE AT.

AND THEY HAVE TO RUN A RACE AND THAT IS WHY IT'S SO TIGHT DESPITE THE UNIVERSAL NAME THE BESHEAR NAME HAS.

>> THREE OF THE LAST CANDIDATES THE BESHEARS HAVE RUN AGAINST ARE FLAWED, IS THAT A SYMPTOM OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

I MEAN I'M JUST IF DANIEL CAMERON LOSES IS THIS ANOTHER FLAWED CANDIDATE?

I MEAN I THINK KENTUCKIANS ARE REJECTING THEIR POLICIES OUT RIGHT WHEN THEY GET TO KNOW THE CANDIDATES.

STEVE BESHEAR AND ANDY BESHEAR HAVE BEEN GREAT GOVERNORS FOR KENTUCKY.

SEEING US THROUGH SOME OF THE HARDEST TIMES BOTH IN THE FIRST GOVERNOR BESHEAR AND IN THIS GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S TERMS.

WHETHER IT'S NATURAL DISASTERS LEADING US THROUGH RECESSIONS AND PANDEMICS, THE AMOUNT OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS WE'VE HAD FAR SURPASSES ANY REPUBLICAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS SINCE FLETCHER TO BEVIN AND WILLIAMS AND FAILED CANDIDATES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE GOVERNORS BESHEAR HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.

SO I AGREE WITH TRES.

ABSOLUTELY FLAWED CANDIDATES.

MAYBE A FLAWED PARTY WITH A FLAWED MESSAGING SYSTEM.

>> Renee: WHAT ABOUT THE DOWN TICKET?

>> IF I WAS ABLE TO CREATE A SCENARIO IN WHICH OUR POLITICS WEREN'T SO GERRYMANDERED AND -- >> HOW IS IT GERRYMANDERED?

>> AND THEN CREATE AN ATMOSPHERE WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLICIES INSTEAD OF PARTISANSHIP BECAUSE POLICIES ARE WHERE IT IS.

THEY WANT TO GIVE YOUR MONEY TO PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHERS, PROGRAMS TO TAKE AWAY FROM RURAL DISTRICTS.

THEY WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE 600,000 KENTUCKIANS HEALTHCARE AWAY.

THEY WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT BEING IN A WOMAN'S OFFICE TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR THEM ON HEALTHCARE AND BEING IN PERM DECISIONS THOSE ARE FLAWED POLICIES.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A D AFTER OUR NAME DOESN'T MAKE US A PETITION RYE YEAH, IT MAKES US PEOPLE ARTICULATING DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS AND WE'RE CONDITIONED THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR US.

>> HOW LARGE OF THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

>> I THINK THEY WILL BE LARGER AFTER THIS GOVERNOR GETS REELECTED.

WE WILL REGAIN SEATS IN LOUISVILLE AND LEXINGTON.

>> Renee: DO YOU THINK THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN HOUSE DISTRICT 93?

>> IT TOOK MITCH McCONNELL 32 YEARS TO TAKE THE STATE HOUSE BACK.

>> IT WILL TAKE DEMOCRATS 32?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL TAKE THAT LONG.

THE INTERNET IS HERE NOW.

WE ARE OBVIOUSLY COMING FROM BEHIND.

OUR POLICIES ARE CONVINCING PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS HOW WE ELECT A GOVERNOR BY ANDY BESHEAR AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET OUR DOWN BALLOT CANDIDATES ACROSS THE LINE BUT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR PEOPLE AND ISSUES PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

AND KELSEY KENTUCKY'S WORTH FIGHTING FOR AND THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE DOING EVERYDAY, WHETHER THEY ARE ON DOWN BALLOT, RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, RUNNING FOR CONGRESS OR SENATE OR MUNICIPALITY OFFICES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS.

>> Renee: WE KNOW THERE ARE MORE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICES THAT ARE REPUBLICAN.

THE COUNTY JUDGES 80% OF THOSE ARE REPUBLICAN.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Renee: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THE TRACTION THAT THE DEMOCRATS' MESSAGE IS RESONATING?

>> I THINK AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT ANDY BESHEAR MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE REELECTED.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRACTION THAT GROWS AGAIN IN THE HOUSE ELECTIONS.

AND MARK MY WORDS I'M SURE YOU WILL REMIND ME IF I AM WRONG BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT WE WILL PICK UP SEATS.

>> Renee: EVEN WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP?

>> THE DISTRICTS WE WILL BE COMPETING IN, ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSED.

WE ARE THAT GOING TO WIN THIS OVERNIGHT AND TURN THE STATE BLUE OVERNIGHT.

WE WILL MAKE STRONG ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMONWEALTH, WHERE GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S HAS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE US AND THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO TAKE US BACKWARDS.

>> Renee: IF GERRYMANDERING IS AN ISSUE IS IT HARDER FOR DEMOCRATS TO DO THAT?

>> YEAH, AND I THINK THAT IS WHY YOU START WHERE YOUR BASES ARE IN URBAN AREAS AND SUBURBAN DISTRICTS AND WE HAVE TO BUILT OUT TO COMMUNICATE WITH RURAL VOTERS.

THAT SHARE OUR VALUES AND THE TRADITIONAL VALUES.

>> I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF SAYING POLICIES ARE WINNING OVER VOTERS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY ANDY BESHEAR IS AN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR AND IT'S HARD TO UNSEAT AN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR STATISTICALLY THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DO ANY GOVERNOR STARTING OUT IN THAT PLACE.

THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY THERE IS A POWER TO IT.

THAT IS WHY WE SAY IT.

>> Renee: MATT BEVIN DID NOT HAVE THE POWER.

>> HE WAS THE FLAWED CANDIDATE AND MANY REPUBLICANS WILL TELL YOU THAT.

IT WAS HIS RACE TO LOSE AND HE LOST IT.

AND THAT IS THE FACTS OF THE MATTER.

BUT IN TERMS OF CLOSING THE GAPS HERE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY CAMERON'S TEAM IS DOING AND THEY ARE DOING VERY, VERY WELL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT.

>> LET'S CALL THIS ELECTION WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS THE FINAL ELECTION OF A TRANSITIONAL PERIOD OF KENTUCKY POLITICS.

WHETHER ANDY BESHEAR WINS OR LOSE US HE WILL BE THE LAST DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR FOR DECENT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER BESHEAR BROTHER WHO WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN A CLOSET THEY WILL TRY TO ADD, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER THERE'S NOTHING ON THE BENCH THE CUPBOARD IS EMPTY.

IT IS AN INTERESTING ELECTION BECAUSE IT'S THE END OF NINE YEARS OF DEMOCRAT RULE IN KENTUCKY AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE.

AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE WE GO FORWARD AT THIS ELECTION.

>> Renee: I'M SURE YOU ALL SAW JONATHAN MARTIN'S PIECE HOW KENTUCKY COULD ELECT A PRESIDENT.

AND IT LOOKS -- >> HE IS TROLLING ME ON TWITTER.

>> Renee: THAT IS A COMPLIMENT.

>> UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY BASKETBALL.

>> Renee: THE FACT THAT JONATHAN MARTIN IS TROLLING YOU A HANDCLAP FOR THAT.

BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES, KELSEY, THE GOVERNOR AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DANIEL CAMERON THEY BOTH ARE GOOD GUYS.

AND THEY BOTH COULD HAVE NATIONAL ASPIRATIONS OR A LADDER TO CLIMB NATIONALLY.

AND PARTICULARLY IF BESHEAR LOSES OR WINS, IS HE STILL ATTRACTIVE ON A NATIONAL TICKET IN A FEW YEARS?

>> I THINK ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW, HE IS STILL THE MOST POPULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WITH TRUMP VOTERS, I BELIEVE, IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY.

AND SO, YES, HE HAS THE POWER OF INCUMBENCY LIKE REBECCA SAID.

BUT HE IS JUST POPULAR IN HIS OWN RIGHT.

BECAUSE THIS ISN'T HIM JUST GOING OUT AND GOING TO ALL 120 COUNTIES AND GETTING TO KNOW VOTERS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHO HE IS.

WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT HOW DEMOCRATS COME BACK, IT'S PART REMINDING PEOPLE AND ORGANIZING AT SCALE TO SHOW AND REMIND THEM WHAT DEMOCRATS CAN DO FOR THEM IN THERE EVERYDAY LIVES.

>> Renee: DO YOU THINK ALL OF THE UNION ACTIVITY, HELPS IN BOY BUOYS?

>> IT IS ALLOWED THE GOVERNOR TO BE ABLE TO REMIND FOLKS WHERE HE STANDS ON THESE ISSUES.

AND SO IT IS JUST PUT THAT -- WORKERS RIGHTS AND WORKERS ISSUES HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ESPECIALLY LABOR UNIONS BUT IT'S BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE FOREFRONT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS FOR HIM TO SAY NOT ONLY IS HE AS A CANDIDATE WORKING FOR WORKERS, BUT ALSO DEMOCRATS ARE.

>> Renee: THE CONNECTION TO BIDEN, BIDENNOMICS.

HOW OFTEN DID WE HEAR THAT?

AND THE GOVERNOR IS MUTED WHEN IT COMES TO TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT.

AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT DYNAMIC AND PEOPLE TYING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STATE-WIDE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE NATIONAL SCENE IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO SEPARATE THOSE IDENTITIES.

>> I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHY DANIEL CAMERON HAS DONE IT.

PEOPLE HAVE REJECTED HIS IDEAS AND THEIR REPUBLICAN PARTY EXTREMISM HE IS TRYING TO REMIND PEOPLE AND TIE THE GOVERNOR TO THESE NATIONAL POLICIES OR NATIONAL FIGURES THAT ARE UNPOPULAR.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS MORE TO HIS AND THEIR SIDE'S LACK OF CREATIVITY AND CASTING A VISION THAT INSPIRES PEOPLE THAN IT SAYS MORE ABOUT ANDY BESHEAR.

>> HE TRIED TO TIE HIM TO DEMOCRATIC EXTREMISM TO MAKE THEM FORGET ABOUT REPUBLICAN EXTREMISM IS THAT THE ARGUMENT?

>> WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIDENNOMICS I THINK -- >> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT JOE BIDEN THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT BIDENNOMICS THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THE MESS IN DC, AND THE SQUAD AND PEOPLE PROTESTING AGAINST ISRAEL, THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT ALL THE REASONS THAT THE STATE HOUSE FLIPPED TO START WITH, THE EXTREMIST NATIONAL PARTY.

>> Renee: ARE REPUBLICANS THINKING ABOUT JANUARY 6 AND AN INSURRECTION?

>> THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT MITCH McCONNELL AND DONALD TRUMP AND THE SUCCESSFUL POLICIES OF THE FOUR TRUMP YEARS.

>> Renee: IN YOUR VIEW IS GOVERNOR BESHEAR A LIBERAL?

>> I THINK HE TRIES TO PLAY HE IS NOT ONE ON TV BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS POLICIES HE GOES ALONG TO GET ALONG.

YEAH, HE IS A LIBERAL.

>> Renee: THIS SIDE DO YOU PERCEIVE DANIEL CAMERON TO BE THE EXTREME END OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

>> I ABSOLUTELY DO.

>> IF YOU THINK THAT AND YOU CANNOT DIRECTLY ANSWER A QUESTION, THAT A VICTIM OF RAPE, SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE OPTIONS IF THEY BECOME PREGNANT, YEAH, YOU HAVE EXTREME VIEWS.

WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN EXTREMISM THAT IS IT.

HE TRIES TO HAVE THIS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO IN AND APPEASE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THEIR PARTY.

BUT IT'S JUST ALL A DISTRACTION GAME.

LIKE I SAID HIS NORMAL POLICIES AND IDEAS HE IS PUTTING FORTH TO CAST A VISION PEOPLE ARE INSPIRED BY IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

>> REMEMBER, ANDY BESHEAR VIEWS ARE OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAM.

HE SAID HE WOULD NOT DEFEND THE STATE'S 20-WEEK BAN.

70% OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SUPPORT A 15-WEEK BAN WITH EXCEPTIONS.

ANDY BESHEAR IS FAR OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAM.

IT'S POT KETTLE HERE TO SAY DANIEL CAMERON IS AN EXTREMIST, ANDY BESHEAR IS AN EXTREMIST.

>> Renee: THIS QUESTION FROM ADAM HALEY.

AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC POSTS HAVE COME OUT SINCE EARLY VOTING STARTED.

WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON TURNOUT ON ELECTION DAY?

THE FACT WE HAD THE POLL THAT CAME OUT FRIDAY AND ALREADY BEEN TWO DAYS OF VOTING?

>> .

>> FROM A DEMOCRAT LEANING.

>> I DON'T LIKE IT.

I THINK IT'S MEDIA MALPRACTICE.

IT'S THE PRESS INSERTING THEMSELVES AS PART OF THE STORY RATHER THAN REPORTING THE STORY.

AND NOW IF WE HAD FOUR WEEKS OF EARLY VOTING AND YOU WANTED TO ROLL A POLL OUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT ON FRIDAY THE WEEK BEFORE AFTER TWO DAYS OF ALREADY LIMITED EARLY VOTING, I THINK IT'S MALPRACTICE.

YOU CAN AFFECT TURNOUT.

AND IT'S MEDIA MAKING THEMSELVES PART OF THE STORY RATHER THAN REPORTING ON THE STORY.

>> Renee: THAT PARTICULAR MEDIA.

>> I HAVE AN ETHICAL ISSUE WITH DOING THAT.

>> Renee: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> YES.

I DO AGREE.

I THINK HE HAS A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO THAT AND WE WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THE PRESS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO MANIPULATE THE PROCESS TO DROP IN POLLS THE THE LAST-MINUTE THAT DO ALTER EVERYBODY'S GAME PLAN AND THE PERCEPTION OF WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND THE RACE.

IT'S UNFAIR TO THE CANDIDATES.

IT'S UNFAIR TO THE CAMPAIGN WORKERS AND IT'S JUST DISINGENUOUS.

>> AND THIS LAST ELECTION IN 2019 WAS WON OVER 5,000 VOTES THAT IS GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S MARGIN.

DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ON A FRIDAY WHEN ARE YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF EARLY VOTING IT CAN HAVE AN EFFECT.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL FOUR OF US ARE IN AGREEMENT WE DON'T LIKE IT.

>> Renee: THE ONLY THING YOU AGREE ON.

>> THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.

AND IT'S JUST MALPRACTICE I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT WORD BUT I THINK THAT APTLY DESCRIBE IT IS IN TERMS OF INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME IN A WAY THAT NOBODY WANTS.

YOU WANT PEOPLE TO VOTE.

>> Renee: INFORMED VOTING.

TO YOUR POINT, A QUESTION OR COMMENT FROM MERCER COUNTY, BESHEAR WON BY 5,000 VOTES BECAUSE 27,000 LIBERTARIANS VOTED FOR THE THIRD PARTY FOR JOSH HICKS.

WAS THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE BACK IN 2019 AND GOT 2.SOMETHING PERCENT OF THE VOTE THERE IS NO LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE THIS TIME AROUND, HOW DOES IT SLICE UP?

>> 2 PERCENTAGE POINTS CAN BE A LOT.

>> THEY CAN BE A LOT.

>> I DON'T SEE LIBERTARIANS VOTING FOR ANDY BESHEAR.

>> Renee: WHO WILL THEY VOTE FOR?

>> I DO IF THEY WANT THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES PROTECTED.

DANIEL CAMERON AND THIS REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE HAD HAD EXTREME AGENDAS AGAINST LIBERAL LIBERTARIAN VOTERS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THAT STARTS WITH THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS BAN AND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GET CONTRACEPTION WHO GETS TO VOTE?

WE GET TO PICK THOSE GUYS TOO.

IF YOU GO OUT OF STATE TO GET A MEDICAL PROCEDURE WE WILL NEED THOSE THINGS.

THIS IS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH BUT IN A CONSERVATIVE WAY.

WHEN DEMOCRATS TALK ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT WE WANT TO LIFT PEOPLE UP.

WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THEY WANT TO BRING YOU DOWN AND CONTROL YOU.

AND MOST LIBERTARIANS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE JOINING THAT REPUBLICAN TICKET.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WAY THE INDEPENDENTS SPLIT IN THIS UP COMING ELECTION ESPECIALLY IN IMPORTANT COUNTIES LEN KENT AND CAMPBELL WHERE THERE IS A HEAVY LIBERTARIAN STREAK THEY WENT FOR GOVERNOR BESHEAR LAST TIME WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS OFF THE RAILS ABOUT SOME CIVIL LIBERTIES ISSUES.

AND I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO SEE THAT SAME THING WITH A CANDIDATE LIKE DANIEL CAMERON AND HE IS -- >> I KNOW A LOT OF THE LIBERTARIANS THAT YOU REFER TO AND THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THEM THIS ELECTION HAS BEEN HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE-AND-A-HALF YEARS THEY SEE NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN STATE TROOPERS AT CHURCHES ON EASTER SUNDAY.

>> Renee: THE LIBERTARIANS, NO.

>> UNLESS THEY WANT A TOLL AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER WHY MATT BEVIN LOST.

BUT THE SENDING THE TROOPERS AND I BET YOU IF YOU GOT HAD ANDY BESHEAR HAVE A COUPLE BROWN BEVERAGES AND ASKED HIM WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN?

HE WOULD SAY YES.

BECAUSE THAT IS A HORNET'S NEST.

HE DID NOT NEED TO KICK AND LIBERTARIANS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING YOU SAID, WILL.

THAT ISSUE RIGHT THERE.

>> Renee: THAT ONE SINGLE ISSUE.

>> HE SAID STATE TROOPERS GOING TO CHURCHES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE CLOSED DOWN.

ANDY BESHEAR WAS THINKING ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT GATHER AT THE CHURCHES DURING THE FUNERALS AND THE THOUSANDS OF KENTUCKIANS VICTIMS OF COVID.

I MEAN, THAT IS A GOVERNOR THAT CARES ABOUT PEOPLE ENOUGH TO TRY TO STEM THIS TIDE.

THAT IS NOT SAYING THAT HEY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ALWAYS WHEREAS DANIEL CAMERON ON HIS REPRODUCTIVE BAN, IT IS, IT IS EXTREME.

YOU CAN'T DO IT IN OTHER STATES.

GOVERNOR BESHEAR LITERALLY CARED SO MUCH ABOUT THE PEOPLE HE WOULD GO TO THOSE FAMILY FUNERALS.

HE WOULD TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR THE FAMILIES THAT LOST THEIR LIVES TO COVID.

AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT STATE TROOPERS HAVING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF CHURCHES SO THAT WE WOULDN'T SPREAD A VIRUS THAT WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND VERY WELL YET.

BUT WE DID KNOW IT WAS DEADLY.

SO I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE ANDY BESHEAR BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FAMILIES AT CHURCH AT THE FUNERALS THAN THE STATE TROOPERS WHO SHUT IT DOWN ON EASTER SUNDAY ONE TIME.

>> YOU ASKED ABOUT THE LIBERTARIANS I'M TELLING YOU.

>> AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE STATE TROOPERS AT THE CHURCHES.

IIT'S DISINGENUOUS.

>> Renee: REBECCA.

>> .

>> SPEAKING IN TERMS OF FACTS.

THERE'S FIVE COUNTIES IN KENTUCKY THAT VOTED FOR THE GOVERNOR SINCE 1999 AND THAT'S CAMPBELL, KEN TON, MADISON, SCOTT AND WARREN COUNTY.

RIGHT NOW EARLY VOTING TRENDS WHAT WE'RE SEEING KENTON WHERE GOVERNOR BESHEAR WON LAST TIME.

>> Renee: ALL FIVE HE WON LAST TIME.

>> ?

KENTON DANIEL CAMERON IS LEADING IN EARLY VOTING NUMBERS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> DO YOU HAVE -- REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING?

>> SO ANDY BESHEAR COULD NOT HAVE WON IN 2019 WITHOUT REPUBLICANS CROSSING OVER IT IS A MAJORITY REPUBLICAN COUNTY.

AGAIN THAT IS A SMART POINT.

BUT TO SAY THAT DANIEL CAMERON BECAUSE REPUBLICANS VOTED THAT THEY VOTED FOR DANIEL CAMERON.

ALL POLLING BEARS OUT THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

ALL POLLING.

ANDY BESHEAR WOULD THAT HAVE ANY LEAD WHETHER IT'S ABOVE OR BELOW 50% IF REPUBLICANS WERE NOT VOTING FOR HIM.

>> Renee: KELSEY?

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORTHERN KENTUCKY, KENTON AND CAMPBELL VOTED NO ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND PROVED THAT ISSUE IS IMPORTANT TO THEM AND DANIEL CAMERON HAS AN EXTREME VIEW IN BELIEVING THAT NINE-YEAR-OLD RAPE VICTIMS NEED TO CARRY THEIR RAPIST BABY TO TERM.

KENTON HAVE VOTED NO BY PLUS 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

>> Renee: AND THAT WILL CURRY FAVOR?

>> IT PROVES THE COALITION OF PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE AND THE COALITION OF PEOPLE THAT CAN CROSS BALLOTS TO VOTE FOR ANDY BESHEAR WILL HOLD TRUE.

>> Renee: AND THAT COULD BE A LIBERTARIAN VIEW.

>> DIFFERENT TURNOUT MODEL IN THE GUBERNATORIAL YEAR VERSUS OTHER ELECTIONS IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY IT IS A DROP IN TURNOUT IN GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS.

YOU ARE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT ELECTORATE BASE.

I THINK LIBERTARIANS MIGHT HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND I NORTHERN KENTUCKY IN 2019 MATT BEVIN LOST THAT THE DAY AT THE DEBATE.

HE CAME OUT IN FAVOR OF PRESENCE BRIDGE THAT COST THAT ELECTION.

DANIEL CAMERON DOESN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM THOSE COUNTIES WILL COME BACK HOME TO THE REPUBLICAN COLUMN.

>> ANDY BESHEAR DOESN'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE HE GOT THE BRIDGE PROJECT DONE WITHOUT TOLLS.

>> WELL, MITCH McCONNELL DID.

>> Renee: THEY WERE BOTH TALKING ABOUT IT.

IT WAS A SHARED STAGE.

BIPARTISANSHIP AND THEY BOTH SAID IT, I DO BELIEVE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE WATCHING TOMORROW NIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTY TOTALS AND WHEN THEY COME IN.

YOU MENTIONED NORTHERN KENTUCKY, KENTON AND CAMPBELL COUNTY AND HOW IMPORTANT MADISON COUNTY IS, WARREN COUNTY, HENDERSON, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?

SCOTT COUNTY.

AND JEFFERSON COUNTY.

PERHAPS IT IS NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT DANIEL CAMERON WIN JEFFERSON COUNTY BUT IF HE CAN CARVE INTO THE NUMBERS AND ANDY BESHEAR NEEDS TO HAVE TO GET HOW MANY JEFFERSON COUNTY VOTES TO BE SECURE?

>> AT LEAST 100,000 VOTE MARGIN.

>> Renee: IF HE DOESN'T -- >> I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE SEE THE JEFFERSON COUNTY NUMBER AND IT'S NOT OVER 100,000.

>> Renee: BUT YOU HAVE MORE REPUBLICANS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHO ARE REPUBLICANS WORKING HARD ON BEHALF OF DANIEL CAMERON COULD THAT BE A FACTOR?

>> I THINK THAT I WOULD DISCERN ABOUT WINNING STATE REP SEATS NEXT YEAR THEY ARE TARGETS.

SOUTH LOUISVILLE IS GOING THROUGH AN INFLECTION POINT FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE.

AND YOU KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THAT GOVERNOR BESHEAR A LOT ARE BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS A LOT ARE UNION FAMILIES.

A LOT ARE IMMIGRANTS ACTUALLY.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

I THINK WITHIN THAT CORE, THEY ALL BELIEVE IN GOVERNOR BESHEAR ENOUGH.

MAYBE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE STATE REP ENOUGH OR WE DIDN'T RUN AN EFFECTIVE CAMPAIGN.

I THINK THEY WILL COME HOME AND THAT IS BORN OUT IN THE POLLING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOUISVILLE DMA WHEN YOU SEE GOVERNOR BESHEAR HAS EXTRAORDINARY LARGE LEADS WITHIN JEFFERSON COUNTY IN ALL POLLS.

I DON'T SEE THE MOVEMENT LIKE WE DID IN THE STATE HOUSE SEATS AGAINST "GOVERNOR'S AWARD IN THE ARTS."

>> I THINK MORE INTERESTING UP THERE, FIRST OF ALL WE KNOW BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE JUST A REPUBLICAN WITH NOTHING ELSE GOING FOR YOU, YOU WILL GET 31% THAT IS WHAT MATT BEVIN GOT.

THAT IS THE FLOOR.

DANIEL CAMERON WILL GET ABOVE THAT.

THE MORE INTERESTING PART OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, IS THE COMMUNITIES.

CAN DANIEL CAMERON POST GOOD NUMBERS AND HOLD THEM SHELBY, SPENCER TO OVERCOME THE DEFICITS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AND BLUNT SOME OF THAT.

AND I THINK THE COUNTIES TO WATCH ARE ONES THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD NORMALLY WIN THAT MATT BEVIN LOST.

BOON, KENTON, SCOTT, WARREN, DAVIS.

I THINK THOSE ARE ONES TO WATCH THAT BEVIN LOST AND IF BESHEAR CANNOT WIN TWO OF THOSE, THEN HE IS GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS.

>> THEY WILL HAVE TO CORRECT RIGHT THERE.

THE DAVIS COUNTY NOT DAVIS.

>> Renee: WE ARE NOT TAKING SIDES HERE.

LET'S THINK ABOUT THE DISASTER RAVAGED AREAS AND IF THEY PERHAPS TURNOUT MORE POSITIVELY FOR GOVERNOR BESHEAR.

>> I WANT HARDEN COUNTY IS A COUNTY WE'VE IGNORED.

>> Renee: WHERE DANIEL CAMERON RESIDES.

>> AND ALSO WHERE THE GREENE DAILY PROJECT IS.

THE LARGEST ECONOMIC PROJECT IN KENTUCKY HISTORY.

HARDEN COUNTY IS GOING TO BE IN PLAY FOR DEMOCRATS.

IT'S BEEN EDGING THAT WAY FOR A COUPLE OF ELECTION CYCLES NOW.

AND I THINK WITH THIS KIND OF COMMITMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR, AND HIS TEAM, I THINK HARDEN COUNTY IS SAYING LOOK THIS IS PROSPERITY FOR US.

THIS IS GOING TO GROW OUR COMMUNITIES AND GIVE OUR KIDS OPPORTUNITIES.

WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE RESULTS OF ALL HIS HARD WORK.

I'M GOING TO PUT MY VOTE FOR HIM.

SO I NOTICE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT ONE.

>> I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF ANDY BESHEAR WINS HARDEN COUNTY.

>> Renee: BECAUSE THAT IS THE HOME COUNTY.

>> AND IT IS A REPUBLICAN COUNTY.

IT'S I JUST I KNOW THE NUMBERS THERE I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF.

>> AND DANIEL CAMERON LIVES IN EAST LOUISVILLE LIKE CALLING FAYETTE COUNTY IS ANDY BESHEAR'S COUNTY.

>> ANDY BESHEAR HAD PLENTY OF ADS TALKING ABOUT DAWSON SPRINGS.

>> Renee: AND DAWSON SPRINGS AND THE AREA RAVAGED BY NATURAL DISASTERS.

WE'LL START WITH THE WEST.

HE DID WELL IN HANCOCK AND HENDERSON WHAT DO WE EXPECT MAYFIELD, THE MAYOR WAS IN ADS FOR HIM.

SO WHAT DO WE THINK?

>> I THINK IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S FAVORITE LINES IS WHEN YOU ARE ON A WINNING STREAK YOU DON'T FIRE THE COACH OR PULL THE QUARTERBACK.

AND SO USUALLY HE USES THAT ONE WHENEVER HE IS TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HOWEVER PEOPLE DO SEE HIM AS A LEADER AND SOMEBODY THAT SHEPHERD THEM THROUGH THE DIFFICULT TIMES.

SO IT'S EASY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THINGS IN RED VERSUS BLUE BUT HE HAS HAD TO LEAD IN THESE INSTANCES WHERE RED AND BLUE DON'T MATTER AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES.

SO I THINK THAT IT WILL BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WEREN'T ALWAYS GOING TO CROSS BALLOTS TO VOTE FOR HIM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SEEN HIM IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WHAT HE HAS DONE TO HELP THEM AND LEAD IN THE DIFFICULT TIMES.

>> I THINK THERE ARE POTENTIAL INROADS FOR THE NATURAL DISASTERS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, GOVERNOR BESHEAR ONLY TOOK HENDERSON AND HANCOCK TRYING TO REALLY HONE THAT BASE HIS FATHER'S BASE IN WESTERN KENTUCKY.

NOW HE'S GOT DANIEL CAMERON WITH ROBBY MILLS FROM HENDERSON COUNTY.

LIKELY, ROBBY MILLS IS GOING TO CARRY HIS OWN COUNTY AND BRING VOTES THERE.

THAT PROBABLY WILL EXTEND ACROSS THAT WESTERN KENTUCKY CROSS-SECTION OF COUNTIES TOO.

>> THOSE ARE THE AREAS IN THE PRIMARY THAT CAMERON'S SUPPORT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY CARRIED HIM THROUGH THE STRONGEST WHERE TRUMP SUPPORT IS THE LARGEST IN THE STATE.

I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BLUNT OUT AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE IT A ZERO NET GAIN FOR EITHER CANDIDATE AND IT WILL REVERT TO WHAT IT IS WHICH IS REPUBLICAN.

JUST BECAUSE THE TRUMP FACTOR.

I WILL SAY I DO THINK PEOPLE WHO MAY END UP GOING OUT STRONG IN WEST KENTUCKY FOR BESHEAR ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT AFFECTED BY THE TORNADO BUT GOT CHECKS THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE CHECKS THEY ARE HOPING A SECOND BESHEAR ADMINISTRATION MEANS MORE CHECKS ON THE WRONG LIST.

>> I WOULD SAY THIS.

GOVERNOR BESHEAR DOES NOT HAVE TO FLIP THE COUNTIES TO WIN.

HE IS MAKING REAL INROADS WITH THOSE FOLKS SINCE THE LAST ELECTION.

AND MIDTERM ELECTIONS FOR STATE HOUSE AND STATE SENATE.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FROM 19 TO 23 MARGINS MOVE UP IN GRAVES COUNTY AND McCRACKEN COUNTY, PROBABLY WITHIN HOPKINS AND CHRISTIAN COUNTY AS WELL INTO THE RIVER COUNTIES ON THE NORTH CENTRAL PART.

AGAIN, DAVIS, HENDERSON, HANCOCK, ROBBY MILLS WAS THE 8TH GUY THAT DANIEL CAMERON MIGHT HAVE PICKED I DON'T THINK HE IS AS POPULAR AS EVERYBODY GOES.

THAT IS SWEET GERRYMANDER DISTRICT TWO.

AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET ONE $2 THAT GOVERNOR BESHEAR WILL WIN HENDERSON COUNTY.

>> ROBBY WON THE STATE HOUSE SEAT.

AND HE BEAT THE INCUMBENT.

>> Renee: RIGHT.

>> THERE'S ALSO A COMPONENT OF THE ADS THAT CUT BOTH WAYS.

THE PORTIONS OF THE ADS ARE TURNING OUT VOTERS IN MORE OF "YOU'RE NOT ALONE" BAN COUNTIES FOR BESHEAR.

AND THEY ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE IN TERMS OF RURAL COUNTIES THEY ARE TURNING OUT VOTERS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE CARED AS MUCH BUT NOW ARE COMING OUT TO VOTE IN A PRO-LIFE WAY AGAINST ANDY BESHEAR.

>> LOOK, THE OTHER SOLUTION THAT IS NOT MY BAG THAT'S NOT MY WING OF THE PARTY.

THOSE PLAY IN WESTERN KENTUCKY IN THE DEEP PARTS OF EAST KENTUCKY THOSE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY ARE NOT TURNING OUT FOR ANDY BESHEAR ON THOSE ISSUES.

>> Renee: WE WANT TO SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DOWN BALLOT RACES.

AND FIRST, BEFORE WE DO THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET THE STAGE BY SHOWING YOU A SERIES OF COMMENTS FROM THE CANDIDATES IN THE DOWN BALLOT RACES WHAT THEY SAID EITHER HERE IN THIS STUDIO OR ELSEWHERE DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

ROLL TAPE.

>> SHE'LL USE HER 40 YEARS OF LEGAL EXPERIENCE TO GO AFTER ANYONE WHO PUTS YOUR SAFETY OR FREEDOM AT RISK.

COLONEL PAM STEVENSON, FAITH, COUNTRY, KENTUCKY.

>> AS THE NEXT ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WILL STAND UP TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

I WILL RELENTLESSLY ENFORCE THE LAW AND I WILL PROTECT OUR STREETS.

>> THE AUDITOR IS THAT WATCHDOG ON THE BACK AND ONCE MONEY HAS BEEN PAID THE AUDITOR MAKES SURE THAT MONEY IS USED CORRECTLY.

THE PROCESSES ARE CORRECT AND IF NOT THE AUDITOR MAKES SURE THERE'S ACCOUNT BILL I'VE BEEN YOUR WATCHDOG AND ALLOW ME TO BE A WATCHDOG AGAIN.

>> HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT IS WHAT THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE IS FOR SO THE PEOPLE FEEL AND CAN SEE INDEPENDENCE AND IMPARTIALITY.

AND I WOULD PRESENT THOSE FINDINGS TO THE PEOPLE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING ON IS THINKING ABOUT HOW WE GET OUR KENTUCKY FARM PRODUCTS INTO THE CORPORATE SUPPLY CHAIN AND ADVOCATING FOR FARMERS IN CORPORATE BOARDROOMS WE HAVE NOT HAD THE SAME SPACE THAT THE TABLE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE VICE-PRESIDENT DEVELOPMENT.

>> WE HAVE HOSPITAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND JAIL SYSTEMS THAT HAVE TO HAVE FOOD ON A DAILY BASIS EVERYDAY, 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR FOOD HAS TO COME IN AND AND OUT.

WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE NEED IN THE STATE TO MARKET TO THOSE INSTITUTIONS AT A VALUE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD FOR FARMERS TO BE ABLE TO FLOURISH.

>> IN THE REAL WORLD WHERE I HAVE TO GOVERN THERE ARE COSTS AND TRADE-OFFS AND BENEFITS WE FOUND IT WAS EASIER TO GET 24 MORE HOURS OF VOTING THREE DAYS OF 8-HOUR VOTING INCLUDING A SATURDAY.

>> KENTUCKY HAS THREE EARLY VOTING DAYS THAT IS BETTER THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR VOTING DAYS IS 23 DAYS.

WE NEED TO MODERNIZE KENTUCKY'S ELECTION SO WE HAVE THOSE TWO FULL WEEKS.

>> KENTUCKY SPENDS TOO MUCH, IT TAXES TOO MUCH TAX CUTS BORROWS TOO MUCH AND IT SAVES TOO LITTLE.

WE NEED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS STATE.

AND HOLDING KENTUCKY ACCOUNTABLE ON THE SPENDING SIDE OF THE LEDGER.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO BE HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY WHEN WE HAVE THE LARGEST RAINY DAY FUND AND SURPLUS WE ARE SAVING QUITE A BIT IN OUR COFFERS TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, SERVICE DEBT, INCREASE TEACHER PAY, THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE THAT WILL AFFECT LIVES TODAY.

>> Renee: SO WE'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO MAKE A PLUG FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

AFTER KENTUCKY EDITION AT 6:30, IMMEDIATELY WE GO INTO OUR LIVE COVERAGE OF THE 2023 GENERAL ELECTION ON KET.

WE WILL BE JOINED BY BOB, TRAY, AL, KELSEY AND ALSO AMY.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT.

WE'LL HAVE REPORTS IN THE FIELD AT THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS.

AND SOME PHONE CALLS AS WELL FROM OTHER CANDIDATES.

BE SURE TO TUNE IN TOMORROW NIGHT STARTING AT 6:30 EASTERN.

ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL 10:00 P.M. WE WILL BE HERE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DOWN BALLOT RACES THAT WE SAW SNIPPETS OF.

WE'LL START WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FIRST.

AND THIS RACE IS INTERESTING IS THIS RACE TIGHTENING?

YOU HAVE A FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY RUSSELL COLEMAN AND A SITTING STATE LEGISLATOR PAMELA STEVENSON AND A COLONEL HAS 27 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE.

WHAT ABOUT THEIR BONEFIEDS AND HOW DO THEY MATCHUP?

>> RUSSELL COLEMAN SEES SOMETHING ON CHAT CHAT AND YOU WOULD ORDER YOU CAN BUY THE MOST EXPENSIVE THINGS HE IS PERFECT.

HE IS A GREAT CANDIDATE.

GREAT IN THE STADIUM.

GREAT BACKGROUND, F.B.I.

MILITARY, U.S. ATTORNEY.

HE'S PERFECT.

HE'S GOING TO HAVE A STRONG WIN.

I THINK ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE.

AND RUSSELL HAS A BRIGHT, BRIGHT FUTURE.

>> Renee: MS. STEVENSON WHAT ABOUT HER?

>> WHAT IS NOT TO LIKE ABOUT COLONEL PAM STEVENSON.

27 YEAR AIR FORCE VETERAN PRACTICED MULTIPLE COUNTRIES MULTIPLE STATES.

>> NOT KENTUCKY.

>> NOT TRUE.

AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.

>> Renee: WE WILL.

LET'S HANG OUR HAT RIGHT NOW.

THE FACT IS THAT IT TOOK A LOT OF WIND OUT OF HER SAILS WE TALKED MORE ABOUT WHAT SHE IS NOT THAN WHAT SHE IS.

>> DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.

THE BALL GAME ISN'T NUMBER ONE WE HAVE RESIP INDICATION BETWEEN STATES THAT QUALIFIED HER.

SHE WAS QUALIFIED BECAUSE SHE MET THE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE KENTUCKY STATE CONSTITUTION.

HER LICENSE IS PENDING AOF SHE TOOK AN EXAM YOU DON'T GO TO THE BAR EXAM CAN I TAKE AN EXAM.

IT IS A PROCESS.

SO WHEN I WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHO I WANT AS MY NEXT ATTORNEY GENERAL I WOULD SAY PAM STEVENSON IS A LEADER THAT PRODUCED REAL RESULTS.

AND RUSSELL COLEMAN IS A NICE GUY BUT HE IS ALSO NOT THE SUPER COP THAT HE PORTRAYS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS TRACK RECORD AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY THERE WERE TIMES SEVERAL TIMES WHEN A JUDGE HAD TO SAY THAT HIS PLEA DEALS FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY SEXUALLY ABUSING CHILDREN WERE TOO LENIENT AND THE JUDGE HAD TO OVERTURN THEM.

WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO PROSECUTE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

AND ALSO, IS DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN THE WESTERN DISTRICT WHERE EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT LOUISVILLE'S CRIME NUMBERS HE MUST HAVE BEEN ASLEEP ON THE JOB.

HE IS DISTRICT ATTORNEY HE IS IN CHARGE OF PROSECUTING PEOPLE.

AND HE SAID IN AN ARTICLE IN NOVEMBER OF 2020 I BELIEVE IT WAS, BUT THAT EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD TRIED WORKING WITH PARTNERS HAD FAILED.

HE HAD OPENLY ADMITTED THAT HE FAILED AT HIS JOB AND WENT WITH LENIENT SENTENCES AND THEN TALKS ABOUT AS SOON AS HE WANTS A NEW JOB HOW HE IS TOUGH ON CRIME AND PAM STEVENSON IS THIS OUT OF TOUCH LIBERAL.

AND IT'S JUST SAD.

>> HE'S U.S. ATTORNEY AND THE LIBERALS THAT RUN LOUISVILLE DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH A TRUMP APPOINTED ATTORNEY.

>> Renee: HE WAS A PART OF THE SMART ON CRIME COALITION.

DANIEL CAMERON WAS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR SMART ON CRIME IN 2018 AND TALKED ABOUT AN HAS INTERVIEW BACK THEN THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NO MONEY CASH BAIL.

AND ALSO MANDATORY SENTENCES.

SO HOW FAR WE'VE COME IN FIVE YEARS.

IS THAT SAME TRUE OF RUSS CASSADY?

>> I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUSTICE REFORM AND TOUGH ON CRIME.

THE TWO THINGS THEY ARE NOT DISCONNECTED THEY ARE NOT OPPOSITES.

>> Renee: I DON'T HEAR EITHER CANDIDATE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THINGS THEY WERE TOUTING IN 2018 WHEN IT WAS A SMART ON CRIME, RIGHT ON CRIME APPROACH.

WHERE DID THAT GO?

>> IT'S CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CAMPAIGN ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO GET INTO OFFICE AND RUSSELL IS STILL AN ADVOCATE FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THERE WHO IS A REPUBLICAN THAT CAN COME AT IT FROM A WAY THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS GOING TO LISTEN TO.

>> I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S INTEREST SOMETHING THERE IS A NEGATIVE AD OUT NOW AGAINST PAM SHE IS WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE.

YOU DON'T RUN A NEGATIVE AD UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO.

THAT IS WORTH NOTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DOWN BALLOT RACES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS A SIGNAL TO ME THAT THEY ARE RUNNING AN AD.

>> Renee: TALK ABOUT HOW SHE IS PORTRAYED IN THAT AD?

>> IT MAKES ME ANGRY, BECAUSE AGAIN, SHE IS A GREAT PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WAS MY STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND I LIKE TO SAY THERE'S PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND SHE SPENT HER LIFE TRYING TO MAKE IT TRUE WHY SHE IS RUNNING FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL.

I THINK THAT IS RESONATING WITH PEOPLE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

I THINK PEOPLE LIKE HER AS A PERSON.

SHE CAN WALKS INTO A ROOM YOU ARE LIKE I REALLY LIKE HER.

AND I JUST THINK THAT, AGAIN, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS SEEING SHE IS WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE AND PERSUADING PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHY THEY PUT IT OUT.

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AD.

I HAVE SEEN NEGATIVE ADS FROM THE DEMOCRATK ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ASSOCIATION ATTACKING RUSSELL COLEMAN.

IF ONE SIDE LOBS A NEGATIVE AD IT DOESN'T DID UNANSWERED.

I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME IT IS MORE OF A TIT FOR TAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE DOWN TICKET RACES WILL BE WITHIN 50,000 VOTES AND THAT MAKES THE TOP OF THE TICKET MORE INTERESTING THAT IS A LOT OF CROSS TICKET VOTERS THAT WILL HAVE TO SEE FOR BESHEAR TO WIN IT.

>> Renee: SECRETARY OF STATE WITH NINE MINUTES REMAINING.

THE INCUMBENT IS MICHAEL ADAMS SEEKING A SECOND TERM AND BUDDY WHEATLEY WHO SERVED TIME IN THE KENTUCKY LEGISLATURE THE STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO BE SPECIFIC IS RUNNING AGAINST HIM.

SAME KIND OF NARRATIVE YOU THINK THAT TRES TALKED ABOUT?

>> I THINK MIKE ADAMS IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST SECRETARY OF STATES.

HE HAS A BIPARTISAN CROSSOVER.

I THINK HE WILL DO WELL.

>> Renee: SO MUCH SO HE PUT DE DPE IN THE AD?

>> WHO WOULDN'T TOUT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO RUN A GOOD ELECTION AND TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT.

>> Renee: HE DOESN'T HAVE AN AD WITH DANIEL CAMERON IN IT?

>> AT THEnd OF THE DAY HE WANTS TO TOUT HIS RECORD AND HIS RECORD IS MAKING IT HARDER TO CHEAT AND EASIER TO VOTE.

>> Renee: HE IS APPEALING TO DEMOCRATS.

>> HE IS APPEALING TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VOTE AND THAT IS HIS JOB BEING SECRETARY OF STATE HE IS GOING TO TOUT HIS RECORD ON THAT.

>> IMAGINE WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WE HAD THAT COULD HAVE ARISEN WITH VOTING DURING THE PANDEMIC ERA, IMAGINE IF WE HAD A FORMER MISS AMERICA INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE TOP ELECTION LAWYERS IN THE COUNTRY AS SECRETARY OF STATE.

I'M GLAD THAT MIKE ADAMS WON IN 2019 AND LOOKING FOR FOUR MORE YEARS.

>> Renee: I THINK HE SAID RIGHT IN THE CHAIR YOU ARE SITTING WHEN HE WAS HERE ELECT ME BECAUSE IF NOT, THERE WILL BE COOKS WHO WILL SEEK THIS OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE KIND OF MESSAGE YOU WANT TO RESONATE WITH PEOPLE WHO YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR YOU.

YOU SIZE THAT UP FOR ME.

>> RAN AGAINST THE PRIMARY.

SOME OF THEM RAN AGAINST HIM IN THE PRIMARY.

>> IS MICHAEL ADAMS WHO IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST APPRECIATED ACROSS PARTY LINES ELECTED OFFICIALS WE HAVE, HE'S BASICALLY GIVING AN INDICTMENT OF HIS OWN PARTY.

IMAGINE IF IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WAS MY PARTY AFFILIATION IN THIS JOB.

HE WASN'T TALKING ABOUT -- >> THERE'S PLENTY OF DEMOCRATS.

>> IT WAS HIS OWN PARTY AND NOT ONLY THAT, REBECCA AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, HE'S A GREAT POLITICIAN HE KNOWS WHO THE WINNER IS GOING TO BE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

HE DIDN'T PUT DANIEL CAMERON IN AN AD HE RAN WITH ANDY BESHEAR.

AND ACTUALLY IF MICHAEL ADAMS WINS AND GOVERNOR BESHEAR THERE SHOULD BE A REAL POLITICAL ANALYSIS OF HOW SMART THAT WAS.

BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO BE PICTURED WITH ANDY BESHEAR VERSUS DANIEL CAMERON IN THIS SITUATION.

ONE OF THE MOST ASTUTE PLAYERS IN THE GAME.

BUDDY WHEATLEY WINS.

I JUST SAYING.

>> Renee: BY THE WAY.

>> THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE HERE ABOUT LIKE WHO MICHAEL ADAMS KNOWS HE NEEDS TO TALK TO AND HOW HE NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT IT, AND THAT IS THE SAME WAY ANDY BESHEAR HAS DONE IT WHICH IS I WORK FOR ALL KENTUCKIANS I CAN WORK WITH BOTH PARTIES.

ANDY BESHEAR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND MICHAEL ADAMS IS FOLLOWING IN THE LEAD.

>> Renee: STATE AUDITOR THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HAD TWO WOMEN MATCHUP.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Renee: AND THIS IS HISTORICAL IN MANY WAYS.

YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN IS KIMBERLY READER THE DEMOCRAT CHALLENGING SHE IS NOT AN INCUMBENT BUT HAS BEEN TREASURER FOR EIGHT YEARS SHE HAS SOME POWER OF INCUMBENCY AND ALLISON BALL IS THE TOP VOTE GETTER IN THE PREVIOUS ELECTIONS.

I WILL GO TO YOU KELSEY, KIM READER IS NEW TO THE POLITICAL STAGE?

>> YES.

SHE IS UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO BE THE AUDITOR.

SHE IS ALSO A TAX ATTORNEY GREW UP IN MORE HED AREA.

AND ACTUALLY DURING THE TEACHER SHORTAGE BECAME A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER AND GOT CERTIFIED TO BECOME A TEACHER AND WAS IN THE CLASSROOM FOR A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE COME BACK SHE CAME BACK TO KENTUCKY.

HER BEING A NEWCOMER IS A GOOD THING.

BECAUSE SHE IN THE AUDITOR'S POSITION COULD BE LOOKED TO TO BE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE AND SOMEBODY THAT WOULDN'T JUST BE A RUBBER STAMP BUT MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE AND NOT NECESSARILY ACROSS PARTY LINES.

>> Renee: SHE HAS A TOUGH ROAD BECAUSE ALLISON BALL IS POPULAR.

>> AND SHE WAS THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE LAST ELECTION TO GET OVER 60% OF THE VOTE.

IN 2019 ON THE BALLOT.

>> Renee: MAKES YOU WONDER WHY SHE DIDN'T RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

>> THE HERALD LEADER ENDORSED HERALD-LEADER YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF STATE GOVERNMENT.

>> Renee: AND DIDN'T THEY ENDORSE MICHAEL ADAMS?

>> THE TWO THAT SHOWED UP.

MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS WOULDN'T INTERVIEW FOR THE EDITORIAL BOARD WITH THE EDITORIAL LEADER TO ANSWER THE PUBLIC'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO LEAD.

>> Renee: ANYMORE COMMENT ABOUT THAT BEFORE I MOVE TO TREASURER?

LET'S PUT UP THE CONTENDERS FOR TREASURER.

WE HAVE MICHAEL BOWMAN THE DEMOCRAT AND THE REPUBLICAN MARK METCALF BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR HOW LONG?

SEVERAL CYCLES.

Mr.

BOWMAN WORKED IN THE BESHEAR ADMINISTRATION SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE TWO CONTENDERS HERE AND HOW STRONG WE THINK EITHER CANDIDATE IS.

I WILL LET THIS SIDE GO FIRST.

>> IT IS A RED STATE WE ARE GOING TO WIN THE DOWN TICKETS.

THE FORMER U.S. IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY IN FLORIDA.

I THINK HE WAS COUNTY ATTORNEY BEFORE THAT AND CAME BACK AND WAS COUNTY ATTORNEY AGAIN.

BEEN AROUND A LONGTIME AND KNOWS THE STATE.

THESE DOWN TICKET RACES THEY ARE SO LITTLE ATTENTION GETS PAID TO THEM.

AND A LOT OF IT ENDS UP YOU SEE DOWN TICKET ADS TALKING ABOUT RED MEAT PARTY ISSUES FOR BOTH SIDES BECAUSE IT DOESN'T END UP BECOMING A PARTY RACE AND IT IS A RED STATE.

>> Renee: TO THAT POINT, Mr. METCALF HAS TALKED ABOUT RED MEAT ISSUES, ESG'S AND THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE TREASURER.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST GO FOR MICHAEL BOWMAN HE IS LOOKING FOR BETTER LUCK THIS TIME BUT IT IS A STEEP HILL.

>> YEAH, BUT I DO THINK HE WILL BENEFIT FROM SOME NAME ID BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN ON THE BALLOT BEFORE AND MARK METCALF IS A NEW COME ARE TO THE STATE-WIDE SCENE, I GUESS.

I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT MICHAEL OUTRAISED HIS OPPONENT IN THE PAST COUPLE REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND IF ELECTED HE WILL BE THE FIRST TREASURER IN LIKE 40 YEARS TO HAVE FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE.

HE WAS A BANK OFFICER BEFORE HE WORKED IN THE BESHEAR ADMINISTRATION.

>> Renee: ALL RIGHT.

AND FINALLY WE WANT TO GIVE LOVE TO THE AG COMMISSIONER CANDIDATES AS WE WRAP UP.

WE HAVE TWO-AND-A-HALF MINUTES.

PUT THOSE CANDIDATES UP.

WE HAVE JONATHAN SHELL WHO YOU MAY RECALL WAS IN THE KENTUCKY HOUSE HE WAS DEFEATED IN A PRIMARY.

THAT IS WHEN A LOT OF EDUCATION ISSUES AND ON SCREEN LEFT WE HAVE SIERRA ENLOW THE DEMOCRAT.

HE IS ANOTHER GARRET COUNTIAN AND BOTH WILL BE Mr.

SHELL AND Mr. METCALF WILL BE TOGETHER ON ELECTION NIGHT.

THIS IS ONCE AGAIN NAME RECOGNITION HERE AND ABOVE BEING A PART OF THE REPUBLICAN TICKET.

>> AND JONATHAN SHELL WAS THE YOUNGEST HOUSE MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER TO BE I GUESS.

AND LOSSES POST IN THE PRIMARY BUT HE IS BACK.

AND HE DID WELL IN THE PRIMARY AND HE HAS NAME RECOGNITION HE HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT WITHIN THE G.O.P.

SO I THINK -- >> Renee: HE WORKED ON MITCH McCONNELL'S CAMPAIGN AND PUT 900,000 MILES ON HIS TRUCK.

>> FLIPPING THE STATE HOUSE IN 2016 IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT HIM.

HE RECRUITED ALL THESE PEOPLE AND THE AG COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE IS AN OFFICE MOST KENTUCKIANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IT IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RURAL AREAS OF THE STATE.

I THINK SHELL WILL DO A GREAT JOB WHAT RYAN QUARELS HAS DONE.

>> Renee: MS. ENLOW IS AN IMPRESSIVE CANDIDATE.

>> BEEN A FARM KID HER WHOLE LIFE MORE QUALIFIED THAN Mr.

SHELL THAT IS WHY HE DID NOT SHOW UP WITH A KET DEBATE.

BUT ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT AG ISSUES HIS WHOLE THING IS SAVE KENTUCKY STOP BIDEN.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE AGRICULTURAL COMMISSIONER DOES.

>> ENLOW HAS A STRONG POLICY PLATFORM HOW WE GET OUR PRODUCTS TO MARKET.

>> Renee: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE FUN TOMORROW NIGHT.

SEVERAL HOURS OF IT BEGINNING AT 6:30 EASTERN.

KENTUCKY EDITION AND THEN AT 7:00 P.M., YOU WANT TO TUNE YOUR TUBE TO KET FOR SEVERAL HOURS AS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST ANALYSIS AND ELECTION RESULTS ANYWHERE RIGHT HERE ON KET.

IT'S GOING TO BE MYSELF AND A GREAT PANEL OF JOURNALISTS TO GIVE YOU THE BEST INFORMATION ABOUT THE ELECTION 2023.

WE WILL SEE YOU RIGHT BACK HERE AGAIN TOMORROW NIGHT, 6:30 EASTERN 5:30 CENTRAL.

UNTIL THEN TAKE REALLY GOOD CARE.