[MUSIC].

[APPLAUSE].

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: WE NOW CONTINUE HER THE VILLAGE SQUARE EVENT IN ENDING THE CYCLE OF MEAN WITH Q&A CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR AUDIENCE SO WE INVITE YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANYONE IN OUR PANEL?

THERE ARE COUPLE PANS.

>> MY NAME IS SUSAN AND I THINK ANOTHER LAYER THAT WE HAVE TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION IS THE MORAL TREATMENT OF OUR EARTH.

NOT JUST NECESSARILY EACH OTHER BUT OF THE PHYSICAL EARTH.

AND TO TREAT IT WITH THE REFERENCE THAT YOU WOULD TREAT THE OTHER.

AND THAT THAT CAN BE SOMETHING FRESH OUT YOUR WINDOW THAT IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE TO OUR COMMUNITY CONNECT OF MEAN THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY WE NEED TO TEACH THAT THAT IS ANOTHER LEVEL LIKE EVERYBODY TO KEEP IN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEACHING ENDING THE CYCLE OF MEANNESS.

>> Father Tim Holeda: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT I THINK THAT SHOWS A POWERFUL TOOL THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TEACH THESE SORT OF THINGS IN SOCIETY.

TO ME THEY DEAR OF THROWING GARBAGE OUT MY WINDOW THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I THINK ABOUT SINCE I WAS A KID THAT IS WHAT I WAS TAUGHT GIVE A HOOT DON'T POLLUTE SPREAD JOY AND WOULD TEAM IT IS SO INGRAINED IN ME.

[LAUGHTER] I WOULD NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED SO WHEN I SEE IT HAPPEN I'M SHOCKED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD DO THAT.

I IMAGINE THEY DID NOT SEE THE SAME THINGS I DID GROWING UP I GUESS.

BUT IT SHOWS HOW POWERFUL THOSE THINGS CAN BE WHEN THE SOCIETY HAS AN AGREEMENT LIKE THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING.

IN USE A LOT OF TELEVISION IN ADS AND YOU CAN REALLY CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE BEHAVE.

>> I THINK WHAT WE ARE TEACHING IS RESPECT FOR ALL LIVING THINGS AND ALL LIVING THINGS INCLUDES NOT ONLY HUMANS AND ANIMALS IT INCLUDES THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING LIVING ON THE EARTH THAT WE ALL SHARE.

IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO SHOW THAT WE ARE AS I MENTIONED IN PASSING BEFORE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT WE LITERALLY ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT THIS IS OUR WORLD.

AND SO WE DO NEED TO SEE THAT AS A VALUE.

I WOULD ALSO ADD I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT IN ROAD INTO FINDING COMMON GROUND.

AMONG DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT DEAL MEANNESS TO THAT GROUP OR THAT GROUP WHICH AIRED THE IDEA OF PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY HUMAN BEINGS WITH SHARED VALUES.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: WILL SAVE ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE ABOUT THE FAITH COMMUNITY WHERE YOU GET THE SERVE IS THERE IS A DEEP EMPHASIS ON CREATION CARE.

SO WE HAVE AN ENTIRE CREATION CARE MINISTRY THAT IS ALSO TEACHING THE CHILDREN TO CARE FOR THE EARTH BECAUSE ALL THINGS ARE DIVINE AND SHOULD BE HELDSACRED NOT JUST PEOPLE.

SO THAT IS GREAT THANK YOU.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: IF YOU RESCUE QUESTION IF YOU CAN .

[UNCLEAR AUDIO].

>> HELLO MY NAME IS MARK I'M AFFILIATED FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY CENTER FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE SURE CITIZEN ADVISORY COUNCIL AND COUNSEL TO.

[LISTING NAMES] YOUR COLLECTIVE ANALYSIS REALLY BORED BECAUSE IT TAKES US FROM THE THEMES WITH THE TOPICS AND LEVERAGING THE ARTICLE BUT SEEMED TO TAKE US TO THE POINT OF REALIZATION THAT THESE TERMS WERE THESE EFFECTS ARE SYMPTOMATIC OF MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

I THINK A NUMBER OF YOU OBSERVED THAT THERE WAS NO UNIVERSAL MORALITY.

OR AT LEAST DIFFICULT TO FIND.

TO WHAT EXTENT, NOW THE QUESTION WHAT EXTENT IN TWO DAYS A COUPLE OF DAYS FROM NOW IT WILL BE AT THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UN GEN.

ASSEMBLY ADOPTING THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

WHICH WAS A GLOBAL EMBRACE OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

AND SO MANY OF THE ISSUES AND SYMPTOMS YOU ARE NOTING WERE LACK OF RESPECT BUT ULTIMATELY FOR YOU MENTIONED HUMANITY BUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS.

SO TO WHAT EXTENT DO ANY OF YOU INCORPORATE THAT INTO YOUR TEACHINGS YOURFELLOWSHIP YOUR CONGREGATION ?

BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN "RELIGIOUS PRODUCT" ALTHOUGH IT WAS CERTAINLY INFORMED BY IT?

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: WE HAVE CREEDS EVEN IN OUR OWN HYMNAL THE LIFT UP THE VALUES THAT WE SHARE TOGETHER.

NOT VISCERALLY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE UN.

WHAT I ALSO BELIEVE IS THAT HUMAN FLOURISHING IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTRIBUTE TO FROM A VARIETY OF FAITH AND NON-FAITH PERSPECTIVES.

THAT IT IS NOT THAT COMPLEX TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HUMAN FLOURISHING LOOKS LIKE AND TO PROMOTE IT.

BUT WE HAVE UNDERMINED INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS THE UN LACK OF TRUST AND LACK OF RESPECT SO MAYBE WE NEED TO RETURN TO SOME OF THE BASIC UNDERSTANDINGS AND BELIEFS AND TEACH MORE ON THEM.

IN ME DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PULPIT I SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

[LAUGHTER] >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION.

>> TO WHAT EXTENT DO ANY OF YOU ENGAGE WITH OR TEACH WITH OR EVEN MENTION THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS BECAUSE ATROVENT THE UNITED NATIONS THAT WAS A GLOBAL COMMITMENT OF ALL OF THE NATIONS BECAME TOGETHER TO EMBRACE UNIVERSALITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS NEVER YOU ARE WHEREVER YOU ARE WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU DON'T BELIEVE REGARDLESS OF YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS NATION NATIONALITYRELIGION ETC.

SO THERE IS AT LEAST A FRAMEWORK FOR THIS UNIVERSALITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND OR MORALITY?

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: I THINK .

>> I DON'T I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I IT WOULDN'T BE THE APPROPRIATE IN OUR LITURGY THIS IS THE WAY WE DO THINK WE DO THE READINGS OF THE DAY AND TEACH FROM THAT.

NOT THAT I WOULD BE AGAINST SOMEBODY DOING THAT I JUST HAVEN'T IT WOULDN'T SERVE OUR PURPOSES OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> Joseph Davis Jr: I WAS GOING TO SAY WE DON'T TEACH IT EITHER BUT WE TEACH THE PRINCIPLES OF IT.

I THINK IT IS STILL ANOTHER GOOD EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO MENTION I DON'T THINK THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US FROM MENTIONING NOTHING THAT PREVENTS ME FROM MENTIONING IT.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY I WOULD DARE TO SAY I FEEL LIKE WE STILL HAVE NO OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE STILL THERE TO GETS TO THE SAME POINT.

MY POINT IS I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN A PLACE BECAUSE WE LACK MENTIONING THE AGREEMENT.

IT IS NOT FROM THE LACK OF MENTIONING THIS GREAT AGREEMENT THAT COST IS THE CONSEQUENCE BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER REAL TEACHINGS THAT ARE STILL THERE VERY POTENT THAT PEOPLE STILL HAVE NOT TAKEN TO.

I THINK WE CAN MENTION IT BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT TO THE LACK OF NOT MENTIONING IT I DON'T THINK IT IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SEEING.

>> WILL AGREE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT AND I'M HONESTLY NOT SURE THAT IS THE THING THAT I WOULD USE AS THE RESOURCE OR THE ORGANIZATION THAT TRULY REPRESENTS FAIR HUMAN RIGHTS.

BUT WE DO LOOK AT A LOT OF THE PRINCIPLES IN IT .

AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL.

WHEN A CERTAIN IN OUR JEWISH CONGREGATION WE PRAY FOR THOSE IN ISRAEL AND FOR THE RELEASE OF HOSTAGES I AS A RABBI ALSO MENTION THOSE IN GAZA WERE INNOCENT CIVILIANS WHO HAVE SUFFERED ISRAEL IS NOT AT WAR AGAINST PALESTINIANS OR GAZA BARRETT WAR AGAINST A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

SO WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY EXTREMISTS WHICHEVER SIDE SO TO SPEAK THERE ON.

SO THOSE VALUES ARE IMPORTANT REVERSAL VALUES THAT WE TEACH THAT WE DON'T ONLY PRAY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE WE HAVE A LOT OF UNIVERSAL PRAYERS THAT PRAY FOR MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AS I SAID BEFORE OUR JOY IS DECREASED WHEN OTHERS END MANY PEOPLE IN MY CONGREGATION AND MANY JEWS THAT I KNOW ARE FEELING A LOT OF PAIN SEEING SUFFERING OF MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THIS CONFLICT.

THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE HAVE PRAYERS IN OUR LITURGY ON A DAILY BASIS AND A WEEKLY BASIS.

THAT ARE UNIVERSAL.

PRAYERS FOR PEACE PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

THAT PEOPLE CAN FEEL AND EVEN THE PRAYERS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY JEWISH PRAYERS HAVE VALUES THERE HUMAN VALUES IN THEM THEY ARE NOT PARTICULAR TO JUDAISM.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT VALUE DALTON UNNECESSARILY FOLLOWING THE UNITED NATIONS BY FOLLOWING THE PRINCIPLES OF THAT IDEA THAT THEY ESTABLISH.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: I WILL SAY THE WAY I LIKE TO BE INTENTIONAL IS TO RECOGNIZE THE SACRED WORTH OF ALL HUMANS.

I DO THINK WE ARE ALL CAUGHT AS IN AN INESCAPABLE NETWORK OF MUTUALITY WHATEVER AFFECTS ONE DIRECTLY AFFECTS US ALL INDIRECTLY AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT IN FACT WE JUST GOT OUT OF THIS WHOLE SERIESAROUND LOOKING AT PARABLES THROUGH DIFFERENT LENSES.

AND SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR ME TO ENTER AND NARRATIVE WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR SOMEONE ELSE OF ANOTHER FOLD TO ENTER A NARRATIVE?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND WAYS OF SEEING AND WAYS OF ENGAGING THAT WE MAY NOT SEE THE SAME WAY BECAUSE OF OUR EXPENSES OUR TRADITIONS AND WAYS THAT WE REASON , HOWEVER, WHEN WE BEGAN AT THE POINT OF HOLDING ALL INDIVIDUALS AS SACRED AND AS WORTHY AND AS HAVING THE SPARK OF DIVINITY THAT WE ARE THE IMAGE OF A BIG AND DIVERSE AND INCLUSIVE GOD THEN WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN EXPAND OUR HORIZONS AND TRANSCEND EVEN WHAT WE THINK SO THAT WE CAN EMBRACE ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND DOCUMENTS AND BRING THE MEN NOT BE AFRAID THAT IT UNDERMINES OUR FAITH IN ANY WAY.

>> JUST TO BUILD ON THAT WE BELIEVE EVERY HUMAN BEING IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD IS WORTHY OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT OF LOVE HAS A PURPOSE IS NOT FEARED BY ACCIDENT.

THIS IS FOR WHOM CHRIST DIED WHO MATTERS AND THEY OUGHT TO MATTER TO US.

THAT IS THE BASIS OF HOW WE OUGHT TO GO OUT AND LOVE OTHERS.

>> MY NAME IS JANE I'M A SCHOOL COUNSELOR AT TRINITY CATHOLIC SCHOOL ONE OF THE PRISONERS BECAME A LITTLE BIT LATE AND MISSED THE NAME OF THE ARTICLE LIKE DAVID BROOKS WROTE WHAT IS THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE?

I WILL LOOK IT UP I WILL FIGURE Scriven: HOW DID WE GET SO MANY CLICKS WAS HOPING TO COME HERE AND GET ANSWERS BECAUSE I WORK IN A SCHOOL I GOT HERE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE SO MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING BUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING YOU WERE SAYING I THINK YOU WERE SAYING TEACHERS ARE BEING ATTACKED .

SERVERS I THINK IS THE POLITICALLY CORRECT TERM NOW.

HOW ARE YOU TEACHING MORALS AND VALUES?

AND WE LEFT OUT SOMEBODY.

WE ARE SAYING THE SCHOOL DOES IT GIRL SCOUTS AND BOY SCOUTS.

OUR CHURCH AS WE LEFT OUT APPEARANCE.

LIKE AND TO ME THEY ARE THE FIRST TEACHERS OF EVERYTHING.

I THINK THAT THAT IS PART OF THE REASON AT LEAST IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO TEACH EVERYTHING NOW WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS PIECE?

IS BUT MAYBE THIS WAS NOT PART OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: I THINK PARENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL POINT.

WE DID NOT MENTION THEM DIRECTLY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THE REASON ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PARENTS DON'T HAVE THE TIME AND THE ENERGY OR MAYBE EVEN THE ABILITY AND THE INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO TEACH THE VALUE IS WE HAVE NOT SUPPORTED FAMILIES WE HAVE NOTSUPPORTED PARENTS PARENTS ARE FEELING AS ISOLATED AS SO MANY OF THE REST OF US.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SORT OF GENERATIONAL SUPPORT THAT THEY ONCE HAD.

WHICH GOES BACK TO MANY OF THE OTHER TOPICS WE TOUCHED ON LIKE INDIVIDUALISM .

WAS THAT YOUR MOTHER OR GRANDMOTHER DOES NOT STREW UP.

>> Joseph Davis Jr: GODMOTHER.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: LIKE A GODMOTHER LAY TOOK A VILLAGE.

SOME OF THE THINGS THEY USED TO SUPPORT US CULTURALLY ARE NO LONGER THERE I DON'T WANT TO REPLACE THEM.

IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.

[UNCLEAR AUDIO] >> HE HAD A DIFFERENT CAREER PATH HE THOUGHT HE WOULD HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS BY CHOOSING THAT CAREER PATH AND I THINK YOU SAID IT'S ALL ABOUT LOVE.

AND THAT IS REALLY THE ANSWER AND LIKE TO THINK THAT I TRIED TO DO WHEN I INTERACT WITH PARENTS AND HELPING PARENTS OR STUDENTS IS ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY IS BEING MEAN IS KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS.

JUST BEING NICE.

I THINK THE BEATLES HAD IT RIGHT WHEN THEY SAID ALL WE NEED IS LOVE.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM AND A FRIEND OF MINE HIS MOTHER SAID THE MORE THAT YOU LEARN THE LESS YOU CRITICIZE AND THAT IS REALLY TRUE.

AND YOU'LL MENTION THAT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TONIGHT ABOUT HOW THE MORE YOU LEARN ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE WHAT THAT PERSON THINKS OR WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND KIND OF SOFTENS YOUR HEART.

AND YOU'RE MORE GENEROUS MORE LOVING AND MORE KIND TO THAT PERSON THANK YOU FOR TONIGHT I WAS HOPING TO COME GET ALL THE ANSWERS.

[LAUGHTER] >> TO BUILD WHAT HE SAYS TO LOVE JESUS GIVES US TO PARTICULAR WAYS TO LOVE THAT WE DON'T LIKE THAT I THINK ABOUT TONIGHT I WANT TO MENTION WHERE HE SAYS TURN THE OTHER CHEEK AND GO THE EXTRA MILE.

A FEW MONTHS AGO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY CAME UP TO ME AFTER THE SERMON AND ESSENTIALLY ASKED I'M GOING TO BOIL IT DOWN TO DO REALLY THINK THAT IT WORKS OR THEFT IS REALISTIC TO EXPECT THAT IN ORAL DISCOURSE IN OUR POLITICS THAT WE SHOULD TURN THE OTHER CHEEK?

DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IT HAS WORKED?

I TURNED BACK AROUND AND SAID AS IF YOUDON'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS JESUS ?

DOES NOT WORK.

IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS HOW CAN WE REALLY TRY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE SAYS?

THIS IS PRETTY CLEAR AND STRAIGHTFORWARD MAYBE WE SHOULD TRUST THIS AND TRY TO DO THIS.

BUT THAT IS HOW WE ARE CALLED TO LOVE THAT IS A COMPLETELY OTHER CENTERED KIND OF LOVE THAT'S A WILLINGNESS TO GO BEYOND OURSELVES THAT IS WHAT LOVE IS.

LOVE IS A WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND TO RECOGNIZE AND TO RESPECT AND TO LIFT UP SOMEONE ELSE.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: IT IS INTERESTING LISTENING AND THINKING ABOUT LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: THE PROBLEMATIC PART OF THAT IS I DON'T KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS LEARNED WHAT IT MEANS TO LOVE OURSELVES.

OUR SELF TALK THE WAY THAT WE THINK OF WHO WE ARE AND NOT ENOUGH AND ALL OF THE NEGATIVITY BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD OURSELVES AND OUR OWN SACRED WORTH AND ACCEPTED OUR FABULOUSNESS AND OUR FLAWS AND THE JOURNEY OF COMING THEN IT MAKES IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO THAT WHEN IT CONCERNS SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND SO LOVE THEN TO ME BECOMES A LITTLE COMPLEX EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS VERY EASY RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT LEARNED VERY OFTEN WHAT IT MEANS TO JUST LOVE MYSELF.

HOW CAN I LOVE MY NEIGHBOR?

WHY START AT A DEFICIT?

>> MY NAME IS.

[LISTING NAMES] I WOULD ACCOMPANY CHANGE BY DESIGN WE FOCUSED PARTIALLY ON HOW TO FACILITATE EFFECTIVE LEARNING HOW TO DEVELOP EFFECTIVE LEARNING AS THE DISCUSSION HAS GONE FORWARD I THOUGHT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SKILL TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND TO BE ABLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER I THINK IT IS A SKILL THAT CAN BE LEARNED BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE CHURCH WE CAN TEACH THAT BESIDES MODELING IT YES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A PLACE FOR TRAINING TO TRAIN PEOPLE ON HOW TO LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND EVALUATE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND SEE WHEN THEY ARE WRONG AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

HOW TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PERSON AND CONFER ON THEM FORGIVENESS.

KNOWING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AFFECT YOU.

BUT THAT IS A SKILL TO LEARN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO AFFECT ME KNOW HOW DO I FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT ME?

I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A SKILL OR SET OF SKILLS THAT COULD BE TRAINED THROUGH THE PULPIT THROUGH OUR MODELING EACH OF US IN OUR OWN HUMAN WAY AND PROBABLY A LOT OF OTHER WAYS THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT PEOPLE CAN GAIN THESE SKILLS AND PRACTICE THESE SKILLS AND BE ABLE TO DO BETTER.

AND HEAL OUR COUNTRY.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: I THINK BROOKS WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT HE IS SAYING WE HAVE STOPPED TEACHINGMORALITY NOT JUST ON HOW WE BEHAVE BUT IN THE THINGS THAT WE SAY AND IN THE HOMES AND SCHOOLS HE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU .

>> GOING BACK TO THE PARENTS THE VIRTUES THE BOOK OF VIRTUES BY WILLIAM BENNETT TO REMEMBER THAT OR.

[LISTING NAMES] SOME OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY READ TO THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE WHERE ARE THOSE BOOKS NOW?

WE NEEDTO FIND THEM AND TEACH VALUES ARE PARAMOUNT IN SHAPING BEHAVIOR TO PERSONALLY WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I REMEMBER HOW I USED TO TREAT LIKE INSECTS AND THINGS AND KIDS .

[LAUGHTER] I MEAN IT EVEN PEOPLE I KNOW NOW ARE PRETTY HARSH TO BUGS AND THINGS.

I USED TO CATCH FISH I DIDN'T DEEPLY CARE HOW THEY FELT OR WHATEVER.

AS I'VE GOTTEN OLDER AND MY VALUES HAVE SHIFTED UNCOMFORTABLY REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT IS ALIVE IT IS A MIRACLE.

IT IS CHANGED HOW I BEHAVE IN HOW I TREAT THOSE THINGS.

IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT LEARNING IT'S ABOUT WHAT OUR VALUES I THINK THAT IS WHAT DAVID BROOKS IS GETTING AT WHAT ARE OUR VALUES WE CAN'T JUST MAKE THOSE UP OR THEY ARE NOT REALLY VALUES.

>> I THINK ANOTHER PART OF IT CERTAINLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS BEEN SAID IS THAT VALUES VERY IMPORTANT CLEARLY BUT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T SEEM TO SHARE OUR VALUES IS THAT MAKE THEM BAD PERSON NECESSARILY?

PERSON OR BETTER PERSON?

I WOULD SAY NOT NECESSARILY.

MAYBE THAT THEY DON'T SHARE THE VALUE AGAIN THAT GOES BACK TO COMMUNICATION.

WHY?

WHAT ABOUT IT DO NOT CARE?

IF THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT?

AND WHY IT SEEMS VERY OBVIOUS AND YOU SENSE THAT THEY MIGHT BE A GOOD PERSON EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T AGREE WITH YOU AND SOMETHING FIND OUT WHAT IT IS MAYBE YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING MAYBE YOU WILL GROW AND MAYBE WILL SHIFT YOUR VALUE A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT WERE IN ANOTHER VALUE.

TO THE VALUE THAT YOU HAVE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE WRONG THEY ARE RIGHT BUT IT DOES NOT ALSO MEAN THAT YOU'RE RIGHT AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

THERE HAS TO BE UNDERSTANDING AS MUCH AS I THINK VALUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE THINK AGAIN HAVE A MONOPOLY LIKE IT SAID ABOUT THE TRUTH THAT WE HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE VALUES AND WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE TEACHING WHAT IS RIGHT AND OTHER PEOPLE TEACH A DIFFERENT WAY AND IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT WE HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING GOES IT ALSO HAS TO BE LOVING OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPINION AND DISCUSSING AND FORMING VALUES BASED ON THAT AND SHARING IF SOMEBODY HAS DIFFERENT VALUES BUT IS STILL LIVING A PEACEFUL GOOD LIFE ALL THE BEST TO THEM THEYSHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IF THERE VALUES PROMOTE HARM OR WORSE THEN THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN A SOCIETY EVEN WHEN THERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF ACTION THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT.

>> I'M .

[LISTING NAMES] I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL A COUPLE OF TAKEAWAYS FOR ME VALUES SHOULD BE TAUGHT.

PAIN THAT IS NOT TRANSFERRED IS TRANSMITTED.

I JUST THINK THAT IS AMAZING.

PAY LOVE FORWARD.

I WANT TO REST A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO WRITE IT ALL DOWN BUT I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU SAID IN OUR DEEPEST SELVES WE ARE SEVERELY BROKEN.

I THINK THAT IF WE ALL LOOKED AT THE PERSON IN FRONT OF US WHO WE THINK IS BEING MEAN AND WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS PERSON IS NOT JUST HAVING A BAD DAY IN INSIDE THE GOT A WHOLE LOT CAN EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: MY THOUGHT I REMEMBER HAVING A PROFESSOR IN SEMINARY AND I LOVED THIS PERSON LIKE HE WAS THE BEST EVER.

AND OFTEN WE WOULD JUST TALK ABOUT PEOPLE BEING MEAN OR AGITATED AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF THAT I WOULD ALWAYS TURN TO WONDER .

I WONDER HOW YOU NEED TO BE HEALED?

I WONDER HOW YOU'VE NOT BEEN LOVED THE WAY THAT YOU NEEDED TO BE LOVED OVER YEARS AND SO NOW YOU ARE EXUDING THIS KIND WITH US I BELIEVE, SOME KIND OF BROKENNESS IN NEED OF HEALING SOME OF US FIND HEALING IN WAYS THAT OTHERS HAVE NOT YET OR ARE SEEKING .

BECAUSE OF THAT BROKENNESS AND THAT PAIN PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT AND THEY BEGIN FLESHING OUT AND SO GOD FORGIVE THEM EVEN WHEN I THINK THAT THEY KNOW BECAUSE AT OUR BASE SOMETIMES WE ARE JUST TOO BROKEN TO KNOW.

BECAUSE THAT PAIN TAKES OVER OUR RATIONAL THOUGHTOUR EMOTIONS THAT SAY YOU MATTER AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO WONDER AND SAY I WONDER HOW THEY ARE IN NEED OF HEALING OR LOVE .

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE BLESSED SPEAKERS RECOGNITION OF THE WISDOM THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

I THINK THIS WHOLE IDEA OF VALUES NOBODY IS WILLING TO SAY I'VE GOT SOME VALUES AND WE CAN AGREE ON THESE.

I THINK THAT DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO ME IS A UNIVERSAL AND I'VE SEEN IT IN EVERY RELIGION SAID JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT IT IS THE SAME THING.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE HESITANT WE ARE AFRAID WE WILL OFFEND SOMEBODY IF WE STATE ANY VALUES.

AND WE NEED TO SPEAK OUR OWN VALUES BUT LISTEN TO THE OTHERS I WENT TO A MEDICAL OFFICE YESTERDAY AND THEY HAD A SET OF VALUES AND WE COMPLEMENTED OUR DR. ON THIS.

AND HE SAID NOBODY TOLD US WHAT THE VALUES WERE WE CAME UP WITH THOSE OURSELVES.

IN SUE WORKS WITH LOTS OF GROUPS HELPS THEM COME UP WITH VALUES.

IN CHURCHES CAN WE TALK ABOUT VALUES MORE AND NOT TEACH VALUES BUT FIND THE VALUES THAT WE CAN ALL DEFINE AND WORDS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO US AND BECOME TO THAT BILLING KNOWING THAT MEANING THROUGH THE COLLABORATION HOW CAN WE DO THAT MORE MY QUESTION TO YOU IS IN THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS BUT ALSO IN OUR HOMES AND FAMILIES IN WORKPLACES.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE GOLDEN RULE TOM.

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE MISSED THAT ONE.

THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK THE BILL AGREE ON.

THAT IS A BEGINNING POINT IT'S IN ENDING POINT AS WELL.

IF WE CAN LIVE THAT OUT.

THAT IS JUST NOT A VALUE BUT HE GIVES FORTH VIRTUES.

THERE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN VALUES AND VIRTUES VALUE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS HELD IN VIRTUE MIGHT BE WORKING OUT OF THE VALLEY.

IN REAL LIFE.

THANK YOU.

>> I WILL THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE I THINK SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN SOCIETY SOMETIMES THERE IS A PERCEPTION WITH YOUNG PEOPLE THAT TO BE ALL THE STUFF WE ARE SAYING TO THEM WE ARE OLD FUDDY-DUDDIES WE ARE BORING BEING GOOD IS BORING AND SO ON.

WHEN YOU SEE I THINK A LIFE LIVED WELL MY TRADITION THE SAINTS WHEN YOU SEE BEAUTY LIVED OUT IT IS ATTRACTIVE RESISTIVELY ATTRACTIVE.

I DESCRIBED MOTHER THERESA EARLIER THERE ARE SOME WHO TRY TO MAKE FOOLS OF THEMSELVES BY CRITICIZING HER.

BUT THE WORLD KNOWS THEY SOUGHT SHE IS BEAUTIFUL AND YOUR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CHRISTIAN TRADITION AS WELL.

IN OUR TRADITION THE SAINTS SHOW WOULD LIFE LIVED BEAUTIFULLY LOOKS LIKE.

I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON THAT.

IT IS NOT BORING AND IT IS NOT BAD IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND IT IS ATTRACTIVE IT IS WHAT WE ARE MADE FOR.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MAY BE IN OUR SOCIETY IS BECOMING VERY CONCERNED WITH THE PHYSICAL WITH THE MATERIAL AND WE ARE COMING UP TO HOLIDAY SEASON WITH THAT WHOLE DEBATE IS GOING TO START UP AGAIN ABOUT LOSING THE MEANING OF THE HOLIDAY AND SO ON.

SO WE HAVETO MAKE SURE THATWHEN WE LOOK FOR TRIP BEAUTY IT IS NOT THE GLITTER OF PHYSICAL MATERIAL THINGS BUT WHAT REALLY MAKES US .

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: IT IS THE STUFF THAT IS GOING TO GO IN THE LANDFILL .

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: WAS THERE ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I SEE ANYONE?

WHAT'S THE DECLARATION OF UNIVERSAL RIGHTS IT IS NOT SO MUCH THE WORDS THERE BUT ELEANOR ROOSEVELT BOUGHT ALL THE COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD AND ALL THE RELIGIONS TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THAT.

I THINK IT IS SIMILAR TO, KNOB TO THAT SET OF CORE VALUES THAT AN ORGANIZATION HAS WERE CHURCH HAS I'M HOPING WE CAN DO THAT.

>> Betsy Ouellette Zierden: CLEARLY WE DO NOT KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT THANK YOUFOR EDUCATING US .

YOU DIDN'T ASK ME ABOUT IT .

>> NOT JUST STATING BUT APPLYING THEM EQUALLY TO PEOPLE WITHOUT HYPOCRISY WITHOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING AS WELL.

>> Rev.

Dr. Latricia Scriven: AS WE ARE COMING TO A CLOSE I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO THAT IF WE WANT TO FIND COMMON GROUND WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND.

BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO COME UP WITH REASONS AND EXCUSES AS TO WHY IT WON'T WORK THEN IT WILL NEVER WORK.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT COLLECTIVELY WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON SOME THINGS AND DECIDE THAT THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO GO WE JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JOINING US THOSE OF YOU OR LIVE IN THE AUDIENCE THOSE OF YOU FOR JOINING US ON THE LINE WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE HERE AND OUR NEXT GOD SQUAD MOMENT TOGETHER YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS THE PROGRAM IS ON FRIDAY YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS THE PROGRAM IS ON FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 23.

AT NOON AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE TITLE EVERYONE IS CANCELED.

EVERY ONE IS CANCELED.

SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE HAVE A GOOD NIGHT HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND ENJOY YOUR EVENING.

[APPLAUSE].