>> Eric: NOW FOR THE REST OF THE HOUR WE WILL HAVE A DEBATE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR THE U.S.

SENATE.

PRIMARY IS LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AWAY, THIS IS THE FIRST DEBATE IN THE RACE.

AND WE'VE INVITED THOSE WHO WE BELIEVE TO BE THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES TO JOIN US IN STUDIO TONIGHT.

THE FORMAT WILL BE TYPICAL FOR AN "ALMANAC" DEBATE.

NO TIMED RESPONSES, NO OPENING STATEMENTS, NO PODIUMS OR STOP WATCHES, NO FORCED FORMALITY.

GOAL, FRANKLY, IS A CONVERSATION.

>> Cathy: SPIRITED CONVERSATION.

THE CANDIDATES JOINING US TONIGHT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER U.S.

REPRESENTATIVE ANGIE CRAIG HAS REPRESENTED MINNESOTA'S SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SINCE 2019.

JUST DAYS BEFORE LAST MONTH'S STATEWIDE D.F.L.

CONVENTION DRAWING DECIDED NOT TO SEEK THE PARTY'S ENDORSEMENT.

PEGGY FLANAGAN IS MINNESOTA'S LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR A JOB SHE HAS HELD SINCE 2019 AFTER SERVING IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FLANAGAN RECEIVED PARTY ENDORSEMENT LAST MONTH BY ACCLIMATION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN TO A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT, IMMIGRATION.

REPRESENTATIVE CRAIG, YOU WROTE AN OP-ED PIECE IN HE STAR TRIBUNE ABOUT THE VOTE YOU TOOK ON THE -- I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE TRUMP IMMIGRATION BILL JUST FOR PURPOSES HERE.

AND YOU WROTE IT IN MARCH WHICH IS THREE MONTHS AFTER TWO MINNESOTANS ARE SHOT AND KILLED BY FEDERAL AGENTS.

I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT TOOK YOU SO LONG TO PUBLICLY WALK BACK THAT VOTE.

>> THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY WEREN'T USING THAT PARTICULAR BILL TO DO WHAT THEY DID IN MINNESOTA.

THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHAT'S PEOPLE KNOW WERE FOLLOWING NO LAWS.

AS I STOOD AND WATCHED WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNESOTA WITH OPERATION METRO SURGE.

>> Cathy: WHICH STARTED IN DECEMBER.

>> THE KILLING OF RENEE GOOD, THE KILLING OF ALEX PRETTI, AS I STOOD AT THE WHIPPLE CENTER, I COULDN'T HELP BUT REGRET GIVING THIS ADMINISTRATION ANY ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY UNDER IMMIGRATION.

I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO BE HONEST WITH MINNESOTAN THAT'S I DID REGRET THAT VOTE.

I'VE WORKED TIRELESSLY ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, INCLUDING OUR NATION'S DREAMERS AND FOLKS WHO ARE HERE UNDOCUMENTED, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE A PATH TO DOCUMENTATION AND LEGAL STATUS.

>> Cathy: AS YOU SAY YOU'VE WORKED ON IMMIGRATION.

I APOLOGIZE IF I MISS IT DID BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN A SOLID EXPLANATION FROM YOU AS TO WHY YOU TOOK THE VOTE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> WELL, AT THE TIME YOU RECALL IT WAS THREE DAYS INTO THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.

AND THIS PARTICULAR BILL WAS A BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS TO DETAIN, NOT DEPORT, AS MY OPPONENT HERE, THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, HAS SUGGESTED, INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMITTED CERTAIN CRIMES.

AT THE TIME IT FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, OTHER SENATORS LIKE JOHN OSSOF, RAFAEL WARNOCK, MARK KELLY, REUBEN GALLEGO ALSO VOTED FOR THIS BILL.

BUT AS I SAW WHAT THEY DID AND AS I HAVE STOOD UP TO THIS ADMINISTRATION TO IMPEACH KRISTI NOEM THROUGH INTRODUCING ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, AS I'VE SEEN WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN DETENTION CENTERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY - >> Eric: OKAY.

I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT.

I REGRET THE VOTE >> Eric: YOUR THOUGHTS ON DISMANTLE I.C.E.

OR GET RID OF IT?

>> I'LL SAY A COUPLE THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT WHAT THE LAKYN RILEY ACT DOES OR WHAT YOU CALLED TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION BILL WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE, ALLOWS FOR INDEFINITE DETENTION OF INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING CHILDREN.

IT ESSENTIALLY DOES AWAY WITH DUE PROCESS FOR IMMIGRANTS, AND I THINK THE HING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS THAT EVERY OTHER MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT VOTED NO ON THE LAIKIN RILEY ACT.

AMY KLOBUCHAR, SENATOR TINA SMITH, KELLY MORRISON, BETTY MCCOLLUM, ILHAN OMAR, THEY ALL KNEW WHAT WAS COMING AND HAD THE JUDGMENT TO VOTE NO.

>> Eric: DO YOU HAVE A REFORM PLAN?

>> WELL, LET ME ALSO SAY THIS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL PIECE OF THIS RACE.

AS YOU MENTIONED THE CONGRESSWOMAN STOOD BY THIS VOTE FOR A LONG TIME, INCLUDING WHEN I.C.E.

WAS IN THE STREETS TERRORIZING MINNESOTANS.

SHE DIDN'T REGRET THE VOTE DURING THE HEIGHT OF OPERATION METRO SURGE, INCLUDING THE DAY AFTER ALEX PRETTI WAS KILLED, SHE WAS ON TELEVISION, SHE WAS ASKED IF SHE REGRETTED HER VOTE.

SHE STOOD BY IT AND SAID NO.

AND SO HERE'S THE DEAL.

I THINK WE DESERVE A UNITED STATES SENATOR WHO'S GOING TO STAND WITH THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, WHO'S GOING TO USE APPROPRIATE JUDGMENT AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS A SECRET.

DONALD TRUMP WAS VERY CLEAR WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.

SIGNS THAT SAID "MASS DEPORTATION NOW" THAT WAS HIS AGENDA IT.

DIDN'T SNEAK UP ON ANYBODY AND THE FIRST VOTE OUT OF THE SECOND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THREE DAYS IN, WE NEEDED SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO STAND UP TO TRUMP, NOT BEND TO HIS AGENDA.

>> Eric: OKAY, EAL QUICK.

>> I, YEAH, NO, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING BACK EVERY DAY AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

I VOTED AGAINST ANY FUNDING FOR I.C.E.

I'VE INTRODUCED ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT FOR KRISTI NOEM, THANK GOODNESS SHE IS GONE.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I FIND IT REALLY IRONIC BECAUSE ALL OF WHAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS SAYING, SHE WAS OUT SOLICITING WHILE SHE WAS THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION, MONEY FOR A COMPANY THAT RUNS I.C.E.

DETENTION CENTERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

>> Cathy: IS THAT TRUE?

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

>> CORE CIVIC.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

AND LET'S BE CLEAR.

THE DLGA, THE DEMOCRATIC LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION IS A COMMITTEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

IT IS MADE UP OF LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS WHO ARE 88% ARE WOMEN OR PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> Eric: YOU CHAIRED IT AT THE TIME, RIGHT?

YOU WERE THE CHAIR.

>> I WAS THE CHAIR.

>> WHEN THE MONEY CAME IN FROM CORE CIVIC SHE WAS THE CHAIR.

>> I DID NOT SOLICIT THAT MONEY AND I TOLD THE DLGA TO RETURN IT.

>> NOT AT THE IME, AFTER YOU'RE RUNNING FOR THE SENATE.

>> IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT CORPORATE SPECIAL INTERESTS AND IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT CORPORATIONS GETTING ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ELECTION I THINK WE SHOULD BECAUSE CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG HAS TAKEN MORE CORPORATE PAC MONEY THROUGHOUT HER CAREER BECAUSE THESE CORPORATE PACs UNDERSTAND THAT SHE'S GOING TO DO THEIR BIDDING AND WE'VE SEEN IT EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD BAN ALL CORPORATE PAC MONEY IN AMERICA.

I THINK WE SHOULD BAN SUPER PACs IN AMERICA.

IN FACT I'VE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD END CITIZENS UNITED AND STOP WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE HAVING TO FACE WITHIN EVERY SINGLE ELECTION CYCLE.

BUT WHAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS NOT SAYING AND WE CAN GO, YOU CAN GO AND CHECK THE F.E.C.

RECORDS.

THE MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE I.C.E.

DETENTION CENTER THAT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO RUN ONE IN APPLETON, MINNESOTA, WAS RECEIVED WHILE SHE WAS CHAIR OF THE DLGA.

SHE DIDN'T REJECT THE MONEY WHILE SHE WAS CHAIR.

AND BY THE WAY THE DEMOCRATIC LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE NOW STOOD UP A SUPER PAC THAT HAS BEEN ATTACKING ME SINCE JANUARY.

>> Eric: WELL -- >> IT'S THE MONEY SHE RAISED THAT IS NOW COMING NTO THIS SENATE RACE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROVIDING A PURITY TEST THAT YOU CAN'T PASS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PAC MONEY YOU'VE BEEN OUT RAISING IT AND NOW THE SAME ORGANIZATION IS SPENDING IT ON YOUR -- >> CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG -- >> Cathy: -- YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT FRAUD, ERIC.

>> I'D LIKE TO RESPOND.

>> Eric: CAN YOU DO IT IN LIKE 30 SECONDS?

>> I CAN.

CORPORATE PACs GIVE CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG BECAUSE THEY KNEW SHE WILL DO THEIR BIDDING INCLUDING THE CRYPTOCURRENCY INDUSTRY WHICH SHE VOTED FOR THEIR DREAM BILL RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE WHICH HAS ALLOWED DONALD TRUMP TO ENRICH HIMSELF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, SHE'S SUPPORTED BY HEALTH CARE COMPANIES BLOCKING MEDICARE FOR ALL AND I AM FOR IT, AND SHE HAS VOTED WITH DONALD TRUMP MORE THAN ANY OTHER MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT.

>> Eric: REAL QUICK.

>> 30 SECONDS.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR LITERALLY RAISED MONEY FROM BIG TOBACCO, BIG OIL AND BIG PHARMA AND AN I.C.E.

DETENTION CONTRACT CENTER.

YOU CAN PRETEND NONE F THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE RUNNING FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THAT MIGHT BE FINE EXCEPT THE DLGA IS ACTUALLY THE GROUP THAT IS RUNNING YOUR SUPER PAC.

>> Eric: OKAY.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FRAUD, THOUGH.

>> Eric: LET'S TALK ABOUT WELFARE FRAUD IN MINNESOTA.

YOU AND THE GOVERNOR WERE SEEN AS A STRONG PARTNERSHIP, HE WAS OUT RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE FRAUD, THE OLD WATERGATE QUESTION, AND WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT IT >> I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, MINNESOTANS ARE ANGRY ABOUT FRAUD, I'M ANGRY TOO.

THE GOVERNOR SAYS THAT THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM AND HE TOOK THE LEAD HERE.

I TOOK THE EAD ON ISSUES LIKE PAID FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE.

HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

AND I THINK AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU NOW, FRAUD IN THIS ELECTION THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT REPUBLICANS ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER TO QUESTIONS ABOUT FRAUD, MICHELLE TAFOYA, ADAM SCHWARZE, WHOEVER MY OPPONENT IS THIS FALL -- >> Eric: WELL -- >> THERE'S RAMPANT CORRUPTION THAT'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

-- TO ANSWER TO THAT.

>> Eric: DID YOU EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE GOVERNOR OR CABINET MEMBERS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING FISHY GOING ON IN THE PROGRAMS, THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD STEP FORWARD?

>> Cathy: YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR IN WAITING, RIGHT, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> AND THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE HAVE TAKEN ACTION.

THERE HAS BEEN LEGISLATION TO STOP FRAUD, TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE, THIS OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

>> Cathy: BUT SOME WOULD SAY THE HORSE HAS BEEN OUT OF THE BARN AND RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE ALL THIS HAPPENED.

>> AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN AND THAT THAT WORK WILL CONTINUE, I BELIEVE UNDER GOVERNOR KLOBUCHAR, FRANKLY I LIKE HER CHANCES SHE HAS A STRONG AGENDA THAT SHE IS ALSO MOVING.

BUT THIS I THINK WHAT IS VERY CLEAR IS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO RUN AGAINST EVERYONE ON FRAUD, THEY'RE BRINGING IT OUT FOR AMY KLOBUCHAR, THEY'RE BRINGING IT UP FOR CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG WHO FRANKLY J.D.

VANCE ATTACKED HER LAST WEEK.

>> Cathy: WHAT -- FRAUD THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH?

>> AS THE S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS AND AG -- COME THROUGH YOUR COMMITTEE, I ASSUME THERE'S FRAUD THERE?

>> WELL, S.N.A.P.

HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST FRAUD RATES IN THE COUNTRY.

AND WHEN SHE TRIED TO BRING IT I SNAPPED RIGHT BACK AT HER.

ANY FRAUD IN MINNESOTA IS TOO MUCH AND THREE YEARS AGO I INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT WAS INCREASE THE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PENALTIES FOR ANYONE WHO STOLE FROM A FEDERAL PROGRAM.

THREE YEARS AGO I INTRODUCED THAT SAME LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HAVE THIRD PARTY AUDITORS WHO WOULD LOOK AT THESE PROGRAMS.

BUT I'M ACTUALLY STUNNED.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY A MOMENT AGO AND I TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT I DO AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

IT'S STILL STUNNING TO ME THAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CONTINUES TO SHIFT EVERY BIT OF THE BLAME TO THE GOVERNOR FOR THE FRAUD THAT HAS OCCURRED IN MINNESOTA.

AND WE SEE EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO SIT ON THIS COUCH AND THEY SAY OUT LOUD, WE WANT O RUN AGAINST PEGGY FLANAGAN, OT ANGIE CRAIG, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS IS A MAJOR VULNERABILITY OF PEGGY FLANAGAN IN THIS RACE.

AND THE STAR TRIBUNE" JUST DID A STORY THIS WEEK THAT DEMONSTRATED 81% OF MINNESOTANS ARE EXTREMELY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FRAUD.

REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIELD DAY IF THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S AT THE TOP -- >> Eric: OKAY.

>> I THINK WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS JUST LAST WEEK CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG SAID THAT GOVERNOR TIM WALZ, ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON, ATTACKS THAT WERE COMING FROM REPUBLICANS SHE CALLED, AND I QUOTE, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL THEATER.

AND I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG IS USING REPUBLICAN TALKING POINTS WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY WHERE SHE IS MOST COMFORTABLE AS THE, YOU KNOW, MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT WHO VOTES MORE WITH DONALD TRUMP THAN ANYONE ELSE, HAS BLACK BRAGGED ON HER WEBSITE THAT SHE VOTES WITH TOM EMMER 45% OF THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT MINNESOTANS ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN IS, YOU KNOW, A U.S.

SENATOR WHO IS GOING TO WORK ON BEHALF OF MINNESOTANS, NOT BEND TO REPUBLICANS OR BE A MAGA DEMOCRAT.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU FOR OPENING THE DOOR TO THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN NOW TALK ABOUT POLITICAL STYLE AND PHILOSOPHY.

BOTH OF YOU COME FROM DIFFERENT WINGS OF THE D.F.L.

PARTY.

CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG, YOU'VE BEEN CALLED A CENTRIST, BUT YOU'VE ALSO BEEN CHILD A DINO, DEMOCRAT IN NAME ONLY.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FLANAGAN, YOU'RE FARTHER TO THE LEFT, BEEN ENDORSED BY BERNIE SANDERS, BEEN CALLED A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.

AND I'M WONDERING, REPRESENTATIVE CRAIG, WHAT ABOUT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S STYLE AND PHILOSOPHY GIVES YOU PAUSE?

>> WELL, I'VE ALSO HAD ADS RUN AGAINST ME IN EVERY ELECTION BY REPUBLICANS WHO'VE SPENT $50 MILLION TRYING TO TAKE MY SEAT SAYING THAT I VOTE WITH NANCY PELOSI 97% OF THE TIME.

LOOK, I LIKE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PERSONALLY.

I SIMPLY BELIEVE THAT AFTER EIGHT YEARS IN THE HOUSE, AFTER VOTE TO GO IMPEACH DONALD TRUMP TWO TIMES AFTER TAKING IT TO MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, AS WELL AS PASSING 13 BILLS INTO LAW -- >> Cathy: WHAT ABOUT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT MIGHT YOU LOOK AT HER GOVERNING STYLE OR HER PHILOSOPHY, WHAT GIVES YOU PAUSE?

>> WELL, MY, SO WE CAN'T STOP DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS UNLESS WE WIN ELECTIONS.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS NEVER FACED A COMPETITIVE RACE ON THE BALLOT BY HERSELF.

NOT IN HER ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER.

MICHELLE TAFOYA IS GOING TO BE THE CANDIDATE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> Eric: REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE.

>> SHE IS GOING TO BE THE CANDIDATE.

SHE IS SHE'S ONE OF THE BEST CANDIDATES THEY HAVE FIELDED IN 20 YEARS.

FRAUD IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

DO WE REALLY WANT SOMEONE WHO HAS SERVED AS THE NUMBER TWO IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT WHO TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY OR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING UNDER HER WATCH, EVEN WHILE THE GOVERNOR WAS RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT?

AS OUR CANDIDATE.

>> Cathy: AND LET ME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAYBE LOOK AT THE CONGRESSWOMAN'S PHILOSOPHY AND STYLE WHAT AND WHAT GIVES YOU PAUSE >> WELL, I'D SAY THIS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE TOO MANY DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN WEAK.

NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES, YOU KNOW, BENDING TO REPUBLICANS OR FIGHTING FROM A DEFENSIVE CROUCH.

WE'VE DONE OVER 250 EVENTS, I'VE DONE THOSE PERSONALLY, ALL ACROSS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND WHAT PEOPLE TELL ME IS THAT THEY WANT FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE BOLD, THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO FIGHT FOR THINGS LIKE MEDICARE FOR ALL.

THEY WANT FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THE LIFE THEY WANT TO LIVE.

THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE.

THEY WANT THINGS LIKE UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE.

>> Cathy: YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE A FIGHTER.

>> YES, AND I'M SAYING THIS.

>> Eric: ELECTABILITY ISSUE?

WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT >> I MEAN, I'VE BEEN LEADING IN MOST EVERY POLL THAT WE'VE HAD SO I LIKE MY CHANCES.

BUT I'D ALSO SAY THIS, I'M SOMEONE HO HAS, YOU KNOW, SERVED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AT THE STATE LEVEL, IN THE LEGISLATURE, ALSO AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, BUT THE THROUGHLINE THROUGH ALL OF THAT IS I AM VERY CLEAR THAT MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM MAKING LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE IN MINNESOTA.

AND I AM ENDORSED F COURSE BY THE DEMOCRATIC-FARMER-LABOR PARTY.

I'M A D.F.L.ER AND A D.F.L.

MECFSER TO MY CORE.

I'VE BEEN ENDORSED BY SENATOR TINA SMITH.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW -- THAT'S RIGHT.

>> -- EIGHT U.S.

THE SENATORS AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ENDORSEMENT I THINK IS THE VOTES OF FOLKS ACROSS MINNESOTA DOING THIS WORK.

>> Cathy: SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO FIGHT, THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO WANT -- YOU HAVE TO GET THINGS DONE, THOUGH, RIGHT >> YEAH.

>> Cathy: AND IF YOU'RE FIGHTING, AREN'T YOU DIGGING THE POLITICAL DIVIDE EVEN DEEPER >> I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT I KNOW.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHOICE IN THIS ELECTION, I THINK THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN AN INSTITUTIONAL CORPORATE DEMOCRAT WHO'S BEEN A WASHINGTON INSIDER AND A PROGRESSIVE CHAMPION WHO'S READY TO PUSH AND GET THINGS DONE.

I AM VERY CLEAR THAT THINGS LIKE CRYPTO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT JUST A MOMENT AGO ON, THE VERY FIRST DAY OF THE MINNESOTA STATE FAIR CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG WAS IN JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING AT A RESORT HEADLINING A CRYPTO CONFERENCE AS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT WHO WAS THERE -- >> Eric: LET'S LET THE CONGRESSWOMAN.

>> WELL, THAT WASN'T TRUE AT ALL.

AND I M HEAD OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE WHICH HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE CFTC AND THAT IS WHY I WAS THERE IN MY OFFICIAL CAPACITY.

BUT LET'S GO BACK TO -- >> BUT THEY SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS IN YOUR CONGRESSIONAL RACE.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WAS TALKING ABOUT AS IT RELATES TO HER EXPERIENCE.

LOOK, I HAVE PASSED 13 BILLS SINCE I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO THROUGH A PUNCH, AS NANCY PELOSI SAYS, FOR THE CHILDREN.

AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO EACH ACROSS THE AISLE AND GET SOMETHING DONE.

I ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE ARE MOST UPSET WITH DEMOCRATS BECAUSE WE USE A LOT OF RHETORIC THAT FIRES THEM UP AT A CAMPAIGN RALLY BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.

I'M PROUD OF MY BILL THAT CAPPED THE COST OF INSULIN AT $35 A MONTH FOR OUR SENIORS.

NARCAN AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER, MEDICARE FINALLY BEING ABLE TO NEGOTIATE ITS DRUG PRICING.

I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW TO GET THINGS DONE, AND I THINK THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE TRULY MAD AT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> Eric: LET'S -- >> AND WHY DONALD TRUMP CAME BACK TO OFFICE.

>> Eric: LET'S TALK ABOUT ISRAEL.

DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON NETANYAHU'S GOVERNMENT THERE?

OR WHAT'S YOUR STANCE ON ISRAEL AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING GOING FORWARD?

>> I MEAN, MY STANCE IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU HAS FAR TOO MUCH OWER OVER WHAT HAPPENS -- >> PROFESSOR SCHULTZ SAID THEY'RE A WILDCARD IN THE IRAN NEGOTIATIONS.

>> I THINK THAT'S IGHT.

YOU NOW, I DON'T TAKE AIPAC MONEY BECAUSE MY VALUES DON'T ALIGN WITH AIPAC.

AIPAC IS, I BELIEVE AN ENTITY THAT HAS MOVED EVEN FURTHER TOWARDS BEING PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S, YOU KNOW, AGENDA.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG AND I DIFFER.

THERE'S A 20 -- AN ARTICLE THAT CAME UT IN MINNPOST THAT SAYS SHE'S RECEIVED A MILLION DOLLARS SO FAR FROM AIPAC.

I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

I BELIEVE OF COURSE IN A TWO-STATE SOLUTION, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA IS HORRIFIC, THAT THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL DESERVE TO LIVE IN PEACE, PALESTINIANS DESERVE THE RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION, BUT THAT WE NEED TO USE THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW HUMANITARIAN AID TO GET INTO GAZA AND THAT INCLUDES BLOCKING OFFENSIVE WEAPONS FROM BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S GOVERNMENT >> Eric: CONGRESSWOMAN.

>> WELL, THE NUMBERS SHE THREW OUT ARE RIDICULOUS.

AIPAC HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED AT ALL THE PAC TO MY SENATE CAMPAIGN, NOT ONE PENNY.

AND WHAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID, I AGREE THAT BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR MIDDLE EAST PEACE IS BENJAMIN NETANYAHU LOSES HIS ELECTION IN OCTOBER.

I HAVE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAN FOUR TIMES.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT ISRAELIS AND WE WANT PALESTINIANS WHETHER IT'S IN GAZA, WHETHER IT'S IN THE WEST BANK, TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THE SECURITY AND NOT TERRORISM AROUND THEM.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS PROBABLY MADE ONE OF THE IGGEST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES BY PROACTIVELY ATTACKING IRAN.

WE ARE IN SUCH A WORSE POSITION THAN WE WERE THE DAY THAT WE WENT INTO THAT WAR.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO KEEP COMING BACK TO HAUNT US.

IRAN IS GOING TO ET $300 BILLION.

THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO FUND TERRORISM IN GAZA.

HAMAS OR HEZBOLLAH IN LEBANON.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAS GOT TO BAND TOGETHER TO HELP REBUILD GAZA, ENSURE THAT PALESTINIANS IN GAZA HAVE THE HUMANITARIAN SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, THOUGH, TO NOTE, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG JUST SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S TAKEN NO AIPAC PAC MONEY, BUT THEY HAVE HELD OVER A DOZEN FUNDRAISERS FOR HER, INCLUDING ONE AT THE HOME OF THE HEAD OF AIPAC IN THIS ELECTION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SENATE.

BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND WHO THEIR CANDIDATE IS IN THIS RACE.

AIPAC'S CANDIDATE IS ANGIE CRAIG.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU LIKE TO REFUTE THAT >> THAT IS COMPLETELY UNTRUE AND I WILL JUST SAY IT'S A REAL SHAME.

BUT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT POLICY.

>> Cathy: HAS AIPAC EVER GIVEN YOU MONEY IN TERMS OF YOUR HOUSE RACES?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE DEMOCRATS EVEN THOUGH WE SHOULD BAN PAC MONEY, IT'S LIKE GERRYMANDERING, WE CAN'T TIE ONE HAND BEHIND OUR BACK.

OF COURSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SUPPORT AIPAC, PRO-ISRAEL DEMOCRATS HAVE ALSO SUPPORTED ME.

I'M SURE PRO-ISRAEL DEMOCRATS HAVE ALSO SUPPORTED THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OVER THE YEARS.

I DON'T GO THROUGH MY FINANCE REPORT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO SUPPORTS AN ORGANIZATION LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND ANGIE RAIG, OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION.

I DO WANT TO COME BACK THOUGH SINCE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES.

SHE MENTIONED A NUMBER OF ENDORSEMENTS.

OF COURSE I HAVE A NUMBER OF ENDORSEMENTS FROM A NUMBER OF U.S.

SENATORS, AS WELL.

WHAT I WOULD SAY, THOUGH IS, WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT ENDORSEMENTS TO ME ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WHO KNOW ME THE BEST.

HAKEEM JEFFRIES AND NANCY PELOSI.

WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.

THE PERSON WHO SHE HAS WORKED WITH MOST CLOSELY OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS IS TIM WALZ, AND TIM WALZ HAS NOT ENDORSED THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IN THIS RACE.

AND SO I WOULD SIMPLY ASK THE PEOPLE WE WORK WITH, ARE THEY SUPPORTING US?

>> SO I THINK A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT GOVERNOR WALZ AND I HAVE DONE TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, PASSING PAID FAMILY LEAVE, NATIONAL LEADING CHILD TAX CREDIT, BREAKFAST AND LUNCH FOR CHILDREN AT SCHOOL, AND GOVERNOR WALZ WAS CLEAR VERY EARLY ON IN THIS RACE THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE NEUTRAL AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT THIS CAMPAIGN, THIS CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, AS FOLKS HAVE BEEN USED TO TIM AND PEGGY AND THE WALZ-FLANAGAN ADMINISTRATION, THIS CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT PEGGY FLANAGAN FOR U.S.

SENATE.

WE'VE DONE THAT WORK, TRAVELED ACROSS THE STATE, I EARNED THE D.F.L.

PARTY ENDORSEMENT TO YOU WHICH TO ME IS DEEPLY MEANINGFUL AND THE MAJORITY OF D.F.L.

LEGISLATORS.

BUT AGAIN THIS QUESTION I THINK IS ABOUT WHO DEMOCRATS WANT TO SEND TO THE .S.

SENATE, HAVING THE ARTY BACKING AND THE ENDORSEMENT I THINK IS POWERFUL.

BUT THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN, RIGHT, A CORPORATE DEMOCRAT AND SOMEONE WHO HAS VOTED WITH DONALD TRUMP MORE THAN ANY OTHER MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT, AND SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN A D.F.L.ER AND PROGRESSIVE CHAMPION.

>> CAN I JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT WHEN I FIRST RAN FOR CONGRESS, I STEPPED OFF THE SIDELINES OF A COMPANY THAT I'D WORKED WITH FOR 12 YEARS TO TAKE BACK A SEAT THAT HAD BEEN IN REPUBLICAN HANDS FOR THREE-QUARTERS OF A CENTURY.

NOBODY THOUGHT THAT ANY DEMOCRAT COULD WIN THE SECOND DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA AND O BE FAIR THEY REALLY DIDN'T THINK, YOU KNOW, A LESBIAN MOTHER OF FOUR COULD WIN THE SECOND DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA.

AND SO I AM SO PROUD TO HAVE MADE THE DECISION WHEN I WAS 44 YEARS OLD TO FOR THE FIRST TIME GOAT INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S RIGHT.

I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS FOR 30 YEARS, LIKE SHE AND MANY OTHERS IN THIS STATE HAVE.

I GOT OFF THE SIDELINES BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE AND, SURE, I WILL WORK WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GET THINGS DONE FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW TO FIGHT THESE PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: SPEAKING OF, A BIG ISSUE FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA ACTUALLY PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF COURSE, SOCIAL SECURITY.

LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THAT ARE PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, LOT OF CONSTITUENTS.

EVIDENTLY THERE COULD BE A 22% CUT N BENEFITS COMING DOWN THE PIKE BY 2032 IF CONGRESS DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO SHORE THIS UP.

SO IF YOU GET TO THE SENATE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SHORE UP SOCIAL SECURITY?

IS IT A MATTER OF RAISING RETIREMENT AGE, RAISING TAXES?

>> I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY EXPANSION ACT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE TO ALLOW FOR THE SOLVENCY OF SOCIAL SECURITY INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE MY AGE AND YOUNGER IS THAT SOCIAL SECURITY ISN'T GOING TO BE THERE FOR U.S.

AMATEUR SPORTS, RIGHT?

NOT WITH THAT NOT WITH THAT ALTITUDE, RIGHT?

SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE EARNED AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT POLICY I THINK AND ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS ECONOMY UNDER DONALD TRUMP, SHORING UP SOCIAL SECURITY, NOT PRIVATIZING IT AND MAKING SURE IT'S THERE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

>> I SUPPORT THE BILL AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, THAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MENTIONED.

BUT I ALSO HAVE MY OWN BILL.

AND I INTRODUCED IT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SUPPORT.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW SENIORS TO STOP PAYING FEDERAL TAXES ON THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY INCOME.

HOW WE DO THAT IS WE ELIMINATE THE CAP.

IF YOU'RE WEALTHY AND YOU HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE OF MAKING MORE THAN $186,000 A EAR, YOU SHOULD KEEP PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY EXTEND THE LIFE, ACCORDING TO THE CBO OF THE TRUST FUND, BY 34 YEARS.

AND IT WOULD PAY DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT BY $9 TRILLION OVER 7 DECADES.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

I HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE OF MY GRANDMOTHER STILL BEING ALIVE AT 989 YEARS OLD AND SHE LIVES ON -- 99 YEARS OLD AND SHE LIVES ON JUST OVER $600 A MONTH ON SOCIAL SECURITY INCOME SO THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY BIG PASSION OF MINE AS A MEMBER.

>> Eric: IS THIS QUOTE CORRECT THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN, IT'S GOING TO E UGLY, IT'S GOING TO BE GROSS?

DO YOU REMEMBER SAYING THAT?

>> I DO.

>> Eric: I WONDER IF I'M AN INDEPENDENT OR MODERATE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN AND, OH, THESE WOULD ARE REALLY GOING AT IT, IF UNITY IS ERE AFTER THE PRIMARY, IS THIS GOOD FOR THE PARTY?

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE PARTY.

THERE IS NOTHING, THERE IS NO SHAME IN HAVING TWO WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR OWN RIGHT, PEGGY IN THE STATE, ME AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, FENDING OFF AND DEFENDING A SEAT THAT LITERALLY HELPED BRING US THE MAJORITY IN 2018.

HAVING A SPIRITED COMPETITION.

THERE'S -- IN FACT, THAT'S GOOD.

IT MAKES US BOTH BETTER FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION.

AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, MICHELLE TAFOYA IS GOING TO BE QUITE THE BATTLE.

AND, LOOK, MY INTERNAL POLLING, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MENTIONED POLLING A FEW MINUTES AGO.

THE ONLY EXTERNAL POLLING WE HAVE FROM KSTP CURRENTLY SHOWS ME UP 5 PERCENTAGE POINTS IN THIS RACE.

THIS CAME OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK.

BUT OUR INTERNAL POLLING SHOWS WITH ONE HIT ON THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR ON FRAUD, SHE IS ATIED WITH MICHELLE TAFOYA.

I AM BEATING MICHELLE TAFOYA IN OUR INTERNAL POLLING BY 7 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

GOING BACK TO EVERYBODY IS SAYING FRAUD IS ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE ISSUES THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

REPUBLICANS WANT TO RUN AGAINST THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

THEY SIT ON YOUR COUCH EVERY WEEK.

>> Eric: I'M NOT SURE THEY'VE SAID THAT.

>> PAT GAROFALO HAS.

>> Eric: OKAY.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Cathy: I BET YOU'VE GOT INTERNAL POLLING THAT SHOWS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> YEAH, WE CERTAINLY DO HAVE INTERNAL POLLING THAT SHOWS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

OUR LATEST INTERNAL POLL WE RELEASED JUST LAST WEEK SHOWS WE'RE UP 17 POINTS, SHOWS OUR FAVORABLES ARE HIGHER THAN CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG'S AND THAT WE ARE BOTH FORMIDABLE WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING ON MICHELLE TAFOYA OR ADAM SCHWARZE.

AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY AND WHAT I MEANT BY THAT ERIC IS WE CERTAINLY CAN HAVE A SPIRITED DEBATE BUT WHEN WE HAVE A.I.

DEEP-FAKE ADS THAT ARE COMING OUT, PAID FOR BY SUPER PACs IN SUPPORT OF CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG -- >> Cathy: THOSE ARE PRETTY RECENT THAT HAPPENED.

>> IT WAS VERY RECENT THAT IT HAPPENED.

AND I DON'T THINK A.I.

DEEP-FAKES HAVE ANYPLACE IN OUR POLITICS.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE TRUST IN PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, WHAT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS MAGA REPUBLICAN BUDDIES HAVE ONE TO THIS COUNTRY, WE CAN'T LEAN INTO THAT.

RIGHT?

WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, AGAIN, TO RUN ON OUR RECORDS, TO RUN ON POLICY DEBATES.

BUT THE THING THAT WAS MOST TROUBLING TO ME ABOUT THAT AD WAS WHEN MY CHILD SAW IT.

WHEN MY 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER SAW THIS VERSION OF HER MOM IN THIS AD THAT WAS SPEWING THINGS THAT WERE NOT TRUE.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE COMMITMENT THAT'S THERE IS NO PLACE FOR A.I.

DEEP-FAKES IN OUR POLICIES AND THEY SHOULD BE DENOUNCED.

>> Cathy: DID YOU REACH OUT TO ANY INDIVIDUALS WHO -- >> I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BY LAW.

IT IS A SUPER PAC, AN INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE.

I DID SAY PUBLICLY, THOUGH THROUGH THE PRESS THAT IF IT IS INDEED A.I.

THEY SHOULD TAKE IT DOWN.

IN FACT I COSPONSOR A BILL RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BAN A.I.

IN POLITICAL ADS.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, IS THAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE A.I.

IN THE AD.

SHE STILL HASN'T REALLY ADDRESSED WHAT THAT AD SAID WHICH IS THAT SHE RAISED MONEY FOR THE DEMOCRATIC LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION FROM CORPORATIONS AND CORPORATE PACs.

SHE HASN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER SHE DID THAT OR NOT AND SHE STILL HASN'T ADDRESS THAT DID HERE ON OUR SHOW, YOUR SHOW THIS EVENING.

>> Eric: YOU WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY?

>> I THINK I DID ADDRESS IT BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THIS AGAIN.

CORPORATE PACs, CORPORATE SPECIAL INTERESTS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS TO CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG, TO HER INDIVIDUAL CAMPAIGNS OVER THE HISTORY OF HER ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER.

YOU KNOW, HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO ARE BLOCKING MEDICARE FOR ALL WHICH MINNESOTANS AND FOLKS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WANT, I SUPPORT IT.

THE CRYPTOCURRENCY INDUSTRY WHICH IS FUNDING CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG, SHE IS THEIR CHAMPION, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN NFT WITH HER FACE ON IT THAT CALLS HER A CRYPTO CHAMPION, BECAUSE THEY KNOW SHE WILL DO THEIR BIDDING.

JOHN DEERE HAS SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS SUPPORTING CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG IN HER CONGRESSIONAL WORK AND I SUPPORT RIGHT TO REPAIR.

>> I -- >> THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND IT'S THAT CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG DOES THE BIDDING OF CORPORATE SPECIAL INTERESTS -- >> AND I WILL JUST NOTE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER SHE'S RAISED THAT MONEY OR NOT.

SHE CAN'T PASS THE PURITY TEST SHE IS PUTTING TO ME.

I USED THE MONEY I RAISED AS A HOUSE MEMBER TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF EVERY REPUBLICAN OPPONENT THAT CAME IN FRONT OF ME.

>> Cathy: THERE IS CLEARLY A WIDE GULF BETWEEN YOU TWO AS CANDIDATES, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER CANDIDATE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT YOUR OPPONENT?

>> I WOULD.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST >> YEAH, I'D LOVE TO GO FIRST.

LISTEN, I THINK PEGGY'S PERSONAL STORY AND MY PERSONAL STORY ARE VERY SIMILAR.

AND OUR MOTHERS SOUND VERY SIMILAR AS WELL.

HER ADVOCACY FOR FREE AND REDUCED -- FOR FREE LUNCH, SHAME-FREE LUNCH FOR KIDS N MINNESOTA IS NOTABLE AND LAUDABLE.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING NICE >> I WOULD SAY THIS, I THINK CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG HAS BEEN A LEADER WHEN IT COMES TO CONGRESS MEETING THEIR COMMITMENT TO FUND IDEA OR SPECIAL EDUCATION AT 40%.

I SHARE THAT PHILOSOPHY AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PERSONAL TO HER AS WELL AND I APPRECIATE HER WORK THERE.

I WOULD JUST SAY, THOUGH, THE BEST WAY TO GET RID OF, END CITIZENS UNITED WHICH I AM ENDORSED BY END CITIZENS UNITE DVS TO MODEL WE CAN RUN STRONG GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGNS WITHOUT TAKING CORPORATE PAC MONEY AND WIN.

>> Cathy: WE NEED TO END IT THERE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BOTH BEING HERE FOR THE FIRST DEBATE BETWEEN BOTH OF YOU, YOU HAVE