>> NAVIGATING OUR ROADS IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY AMONGST DRIVERS, BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.

EACH YEAR THERE ARE DOZENS OF DEADLY CRASHES FOLLOWED BY RECURRING CALLS TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER.

THIS YEAR ALONE, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN TEN PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES ACROSS THE STATE.

SPEED HUMPS, RAISED CROSSWALKS AND RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE BEING INSTALLED, BUT IS IT ENOUGH?

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I START NOW.

>> Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I...I'M DARYL HUFF.

AUGUST IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MONTH AND UNFORTUNATELY OUR ROADS CAN BE DANGEROUS TO NAVIGATE ON FOOT.

THIS YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN 15 PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES ACROSS ALL FOUR COUNTIES.

THAT NUMBER DOES NOT INCLUDE PEDESTRIANS WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED IN A CRASH AND SURVIVED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A CRASH, INCLUDING SPEEDING, LOW VISIBILITY AND INATTENTIVE BEHAVIOR FOR BOTH DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS.

WE'RE ASKING OUR PANEL TONIGHT IF THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES IN HAWAI'I?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

BEN MOSZKOWICZ IS THE CHIEF OF THE HAWAI'I POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'M SO USED TO HIM BEING AT HPD.

PRIOR TO HIS APPOINTMENT, HE WORKED FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES WITH THE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE HE MOST RECENTLY SERVED AS A MAJOR IN THE TRAFFIC DIVISION.

ED SNIFFEN IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THE AGENCY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING OUR STATE ROADWAYS.

PRIOR TO THIS POST, HE WAS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR D-O-T'S HIGHWAYS DIVISION.

KEALI'I LOPEZ IS THE STATE DIRECTOR FOR AARP HAWAII.

SHE'S BEEN WITH THE NON-PROFIT SINCE 2019.

AARP HAS 150-THOUSAND MEMBERS IN HAWAI'I AND FOCUSES ON ISSUES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE AGE 50 AND OLDER.

YES.

AND DANIEL ALEXANDER IS THE REGIONAL PLANNING BRANCH CHIEF FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU'S DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

HE'S THE COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY'S VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN, WHICH AIMS TO ELIMINATE FATALITIES AND SERIOUS INJURIES ON OUR ROADWAYS.

LET ME START OFF WITH ED SNIFFEN.

IS THERE, THIS YEAR IS A TREND IN TERMS OF TOTAL NUMBER OR THE KIND OF ACCIDENTS YOU'RE SEEING THAT ARE LEADING TO PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES?

>> NOT NECESSARILY A TREND.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, THE TREND IS FOLLOWING THE NORMAL.

MOST OF THE FATALITIES OCCUR LATER IN THE EVENING OR EARLY MORNING DURING THE TIMES THAT IT'S DARK.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF FATALITIES THAT ARE INCLUDING OUR HOMELESS POPULATION.

OF THE 15 SO FAR, 7 ARE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF FATALITIES RESULTING FROM CRASHES THAT STARTED BECAUSE OF LACK OF AWARENESS.

LACK OF VISIBILITY, AND IN SOME CASES DRUNKEN DRUNK DRIVING.

>> KEALI'I LOPEZ FROM AARP, IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HE WOULD EARLY FOLKS ARE HIGHER IN THE STATISTICS.

IS THAT STILL TRUE?

ARE WE DOING BETTER?

>> THAT IS STILL THE CASE.

PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH REALLY JUST HAVING PEOPLE PAY CLOSER ATTENTION.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE KUPUNA WHO ARE TAKING THEIR GRANDCHILDREN TO SCHOOL OR GOING TO DOCTORS' APPOINTMENTS.

SO DURING THE WORK DAY, LUCKILY, I THINK FOR AT LEAST PEDESTRIAN ISSUES, THE NIGHT TIME PART IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE FOR KUPUNA.

DURING THE DAY, WHETHER IT'S CROSSING THE STREET, WALKING ALONG A PARTICULAR AREA, IF THERE WEREN'T SIDEWALKS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

IT'S REALLY -- ARE WE DOING BETTER?

THERE'S A LOT THAT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT REALLY TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF SPEED.

IN PARTICULAR, PEOPLE DRIVING TOO FAST, BUT AS PART OF THAT IS PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS, EVEN IF THEY'RE THERE FOR ADDRESSING SPEED, THEY MAKE YOU PAY ATTENTION ONCE YOU HIT ONE OF THOSE BUMPS.

>> Daryl: THIS IDEAS THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY ELIMINATE INJURIES AND FATALITIES, IS THAT REALLY A POSSIBILITY?

>> SO I THINK VISION ZERO IS SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PUT SAFETY FIRST.

THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN DO, AND IT'S GOING TO GUIDE US IN THAT DIRECTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN PLACES THAT ELIMINATED FATALITIES ON THEIR STREET.

THE U.S. IS SADLY UNIQUE IN THAT WE'RE NOT TACKLING THE ISSUE THE WAY MANY DEVELOPING COUNTRIES ARE.

THEY HAVE BEEN TAKE ACTIONS OVER THE YEARS AND SEEING THEIR NUMBERS REDUCED DRAMATICALLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE.

SOME OF WHICH ARE UNDERWAY, BUT, YEAH, WE CAN MAKE IT A LONG WAY IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> Daryl: WE CAN GO THROUGH A LOT OF SPECIFIC IDEAS AS WE MOVE FURTHER INTO THE SHOW.

CHIEF, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVING YOUR EXPERIENCE OF MANY YEARS HERE IN HONOLULU AND NOW YOU'VE SEEN ON IT'S BIG ISLAND, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS ISSUES WITH THIS AND HONOLULU'S ISSUES?

>> I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT SPEED.

FROM A STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, CARS THAT ARE TRAVELING 20 MILES AN HOUR AND HIT A PEDESTRIAN, THE PEDESTRIAN IS 10% LIKELY TO DIE AS A RESULT OF THE COLLISION.

IF YOU GET UP TO 30%, IT GOES TO 25 -- 30 MILES PER HOUR, IT GOES TO 25%, 40 MILES PER HOUR, AT 50%.

60 MILES AN HOUR AND THE LIKELIHOOD IS IN THE 90'S THE PEDESTRIAN IS GOING TO -- >> Daryl: I'M SURPRISED IT'S THAT LOW.

>> THERE ARE UNIQUE FACTORS IN EITHER DIRECTION.

A VERY LOW-SPEED CRASH COULD END IN A FATALITY IF THE PERSON HAS AN UNGUARDED FALL OR HEAD HITS THEIR HEAD.

NEIGHBOR ISLANDS, STATEWIDE, NATIONWIDE, CAR SPEEDING IS A LOW HUGE LOW-HANGING FRUIT.

>> Daryl: AS TRAFFIC MAJOR AND NOW AS CHIEF, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE HAS PASSED FROM AN ACCIDENT.

WHAT IS THAT LIKE?

IS THERE ANY STORIES YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH ME THAT PARTICULARLY BRING TO MIND OF SOMEONE DYING ON THE ROAD?

>> IT'S HEARTBREAKING.

TELLING SOMEONE THEY'VE LOST A LOVED ONE IS PROBABLY THE WORST PART OF OUR JOB.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TELL YOU THOSE STORIES BECAUSE OF THE EMOTION THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY FORCE YOU TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON LIVE TV.

>> Daryl: THAT'S MY JOB.

>> I KNOW.

[LAUGHTER] BUT THE FIRST TIME AN OFFICER GOES TO A CASE WHERE THERE'S A FATALITY AS A RESULT OF THE MOTORCYCLE COLLISION, WHETHER IT BE A PEDESTRIAN, AN OCCUPANT, A MOTORCYCLE OPERATOR, FOR A LOT OF US, THAT FLIPS A SWITCH.

AND YOU KIND OF DEVOTE YOURSELF AND DEDICATE YOURSELF TO DOING WHATEVER IT IS POSSIBLE, WHETHER IT BE PUBLIC ADVOCACY, COMING TO TALK ON INSIGHTS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RAISE COMMUNITY AWARENESS OR YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME THAT ENFORCEMENT PERSON.

>> Daryl: KEALI'I, I SAW YOU CRINGE AT THAT.

I WAS THINKING MYSELF AS A REPORTER THE TIMES I HAD TO GO TO A SCENE EARLY.

IT USED TO BE WE HEAR A SCANNER.

YOU GO.

AND YOU'RE NEARLY FIRST ON THE SCENE.

YOU REALIZE HOW FRAGILE A HUMAN BEING IT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK HIS POINT ABOUT AN OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTER, WHOEVER IS FIRST ON THE SCENE FOR ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN TRAFFIC FATALITY, I CAN SEE WHY ONE WOULD WANT TO BECOME AN ADVOCATE OR LOOK TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AFTER SEEING SUCH SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON INDIVIDUALS, IF NOT WORSE, EVEN THEIR FAMILIES.

MY FATHER WAS A FIREFIGHTER, AND I HEARD A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE BEING IN CAR ACCIDENTS AND THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO THAT.

AND SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE DOING THE SHOW.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT -- AS EVERYONE HERE KNOWS, A LOT OF THOSE ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE.

>> Daryl: YEAH.

>> AND WE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE TO DO THAT.

>> Daryl: I KNOW.

ED, YOU'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE FOR ENGINEERING SAFETY INTO ROADS AS OPPOSED TO ENFORCING SPEED.

THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE MIX.

HOW MUCH EMPHASIS IS THERE, HOW MUCH OF A PRIORITY DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT?

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF FIRES TO DEAL WITH.

YOU'VE GOT ROADS FALLING INTO THE OCEAN, HUGE HIGHWAY PROJECTS, HUGE MAINTENANCE.

HOW DO YOU FIT IN ADDING SAFETY TO EXISTING ROADS AND STUFF?

>> SAFETY IS THE PRIORITY.

IN EVERYTHING WE DO.

WE WORK ON CAPACITY PROJECTS.

WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS BRILLIANT.

WE UPGRADE THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR SYSTEM DAILY.

SAFETY IS A PRIORITY.

YOU ASKED THE QUESTION TO DANIEL BEFORE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET TO ZERO.

THE ANSWER IS WE HAVE TO.

WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES WE HAVE EVERY YEAR, 63 IS HUGE ALREADY.

75 WAS BIGGER LAST YEAR, SO I'M -- SORRY, 78 LAST YEAR WAS BIG.

I'M HAPPY WE AT LEAST SAVED 15 LIVES.

THE NUMBERS I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE NUMBERS UNTIL YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THAT WAS KILLED.

ONCE YOU KNOW A PERSON THAT WAS KILLED, IF IT AFFECTED YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS AND THE LIKE, VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ANY NUMBER OTHER THAN ZERO.

I'M A REALIST.

I KNOW THAT I CANNOT GO TO ZERO TOMORROW, BUT WE CAN HAVE ZERO TOMORROW.

HOPEFULLY ANOTHER ZERO THE NEXT DAY.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE TO ZERO OUT UNTIL WE HAVE ONE FOR A YEAR.

>> I STRUGGLE WITH THIS TOO.

I'M A VERY STATISTICAL, DATA-DRIVEN PERSON.

IT WILL NEVER BE ZERO.

WHAT'S WON ME OVER IS THE CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE TO START TRAVELING IN A DIRECTION.

WHETHER YOU GET TO ZERO OR DON'T, YOU HAVE TO MAKE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND CHANGING BEHAVERS.

IT MIGHT NOT SAVE EVERYONE IMMEDIATELY, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT IT SAVES IS HUGE.

>> WE START LOOKING AT THAT ZERO OR THE CAUSES OF FATALITIES.

SPEED IS THE CAUSE.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT CAUSED THE CRASH, SPEED CAUSED THE FATALITY.

IN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE PUT IN, WE'RE MAKING SURE WE MANAGE SPEED.

WE LOVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNER BUT THEY CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE.

WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A SYSTEM THAT HAS SAFEGUARDS TO ENSURE WE CAN MANAGE SPEED WHERE WE SEE THE NEED.

>> I APPRECIATE ED'S POINT OF ZERO EVERY DAY.

IT MUST BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE DAYS IT'S ZERO.

>> Daryl: MOST DAYS.

>> MOST DAYS IT IS ZERO.

WHY NOT WORK TO SEE THAT VISION ZERO IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT'S -- IS A TANGIBLE RESULT, AND WE GOT TO WORK AT IT.

>> Daryl: DANIEL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK PEOPLE GET CONFUSED, THEY SAY GOVERNMENT MAKES THE ROAD, BUT THERE ARE CITY ROADS AND STATE ROADS.

ON THE CITY ROADS, WHICH ARE MORE RESIDENTIAL, BOULEVARDS AND SO ON, ARE YOU FOLKS WORKING ON THAT TO GET PEOPLE -- GET THESE ROADS SAFER?

PARTICULARLY THE CONGESTED ROADS, THE BUSY ROADS, THE HEAVILY PARKED ROADS IN THE SUBURBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, LIKE YOU SAID, MOSTLY LOCAL ROADS, BUT A LOT OF BIGGER STREETS LIKE KING STREET IS A CITY STREET.

IT'S A LITTLE LESS -- NOT NECESSARILY THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF THE FATALITIES ARE ON CITY STREETS.

IT'S AN ISLANDWIDE ISSUE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO MAKEOVERS.

WE CALL IT COMPLETE STREETS PLANNING.

WHEN WE DID OUR OAHU PEDESTRIAN PLAN, WE IDENTIFIED OUR HIGH PEDESTRIAN INJURY CORRIDORS.

TWO MILES OF STREET -- 40 MILES OF STREET, 2% THAT COUNTS FOR 60% OF OUR PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES.

>> Daryl: REALLY?

MAKES IT A MANAGEABLE TARGET.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE HAVE COMPLETE STREET PLANNED.

AN EXAMPLE, IN KANEOHE, KAMEHAMEHA HIGHWAY, IS GOING TO BE MADE OVER.

WE TANG ALONG WITH THE PROJECTS OPPORTUNITIES.

ONE OF THE CRITICAL INTERSECTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RECTANGULAR FLASHING BEACON PUT IN BECAUSE THERE'S A HISTORY OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUES.

>> Daryl: SINCE -- LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ENFORCEMENT SINCE WE HAVE THE CHIEF HERE, TOO.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SPEED, AND YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A POLICE OFFICER ON EVERY CORNER, BUT EVEN IF YOU GAVE OUT -- IF YOU WERE ON EVERY CORNER AND GAVE ALL THE SPEEDING TICKETS YOU WANT, IS THE SYSTEM HARD ENOUGH ON PEOPLE WHO ARE CHRONIC SPEEDERS?

WE DIDN'T DESTROY OURSELVES AT HAWAI'I NEWS NOW WHEN THAT UNFORTUNATE TEENAGER PASSED AWAY ON KAPIOLANI BOULEVARD, AND THAT GUY HAD INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF SPEEDING TICKETS AND NEVER SEEMED TO PAY THE PRICE.

ARE WE GETTING BETTER AT THAT?

SHOULD WE GET BETTER AT THAT?

DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> THAT'S ANOTHER THREE-HOUR PROGRAM ITSELF.

>> Daryl: WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES.

>> LET'S GO.

SO ENFORCEMENT IS AS GOOD AS STOPPING ACTION AND BEHAVIOR IMMEDIATELY UNLESS THERE'S SOME DETERRENT EFFECT.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE -- IF I'M ON THE H-1 AND HEADED TOWN BOUND AND GOING THROUGH PEARL CITY AND COMING TO THE AIRPORT VIADUCT, WHAT HAPPENS?

PEOPLE CHANGE OUT OF THE LEFT LANE.

SLOW DOWN TO 55, 60 MILES AN HOUR.

WHY?

HISTORICALLY THERE'S A SOLO BIKE OFFICER.

>> Daryl: I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE AREAS?

YOU SLOW DOWN.

THAT HAS A DETERRENT EFFECT.

THERE'S A REALISTIC EXPECTATION THAT SOMETHING BAD COULD HAPPEN TO YOU, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, EVEN IF YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE A HOLIDAY AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE WORKING, YOU SLOW DOWN.

ENFORCEMENT CAN CHANGE BEHAVIOR.

I CAN REMEMBER A CASE WHERE A PEDESTRIAN WAS STRUCK AND KILLED ON NIMITZ HIGHWAY HERE ON PUUHALE ROAD.

THE TRAFFIC INVESTIGATORS WENT TO THE MORGUE, AND WE CONDUCTED OUR INVESTIGATION.

IN THE PEDESTRIAN'S POCKET IS A CITATION FOR JAYWALKING.

IT'S NOT A MAGIC BULLET.

IT'S REALLY GOOD AT CHANGING LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR.

THAT'S THE WAY WE CAN GUIDE ENFORCEMENT TOWARDS PICKING THESE LOW-HANGING FRUITS SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A HIGH PROPENSITY.

>> Daryl: WE JUST BROUGHT IT UP.

EXACTLY ABOUT THAT McKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

WHAT LEGAL SYSTEM DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO HOLD REPEAT OWE OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE?

AT THE POLICE LEVEL, YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU CAN.

IT GOES TO COURT.

ED SNIFFEN, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

ARE WE GETTING BETTER YET AT THAT?

HOLDING REPEAT OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE?

>> WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT HIGHLIGHTING THE PROBLEMS IN THE SYSTEM.

AND IT'S CAUGHT THE EYE OF THE LEGISLATORS, WHICH IS A BIG THING.

WHEN THE SPEAKER SAYS THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE LEGISLATION TO MAKE SURE WE FIX IT.

HE'S BEEN PUSHING HARD TO ENSURE WE UP THIS ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.

POLICE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN.

WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THROUGH IN THE COURT SYSTEM, AS WELL.

SO I CAN'T SAY THAT WE FIXED IT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S IDENTIFIED.

IT'S BEING WORKED ON NOW.

WE'RE HOPING WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A LOT OF GOOD BILLS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> Daryl: KEALI'I, I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS.

DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE GOOD ENOUGH AT PROTECTING CROSSWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, PAINTING?

THESE ARE QUESTIONS I'M GETTING.

>> I THINK YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, BUT IF DRIVERS DO NOT STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS, IT'S DIFFICULT.

AND A STUDY WAS DONE HERE IN HONOLULU WHERE ONLY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF DRIVERS ACTUALLY STOPPED FOR PEDESTRIANS CROSSING.

IT'S A STATE LAW.

YOU HAVE TO.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE THE PEDESTRIAN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO I THINK THERE ARE -- I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE PROJECTS PUT IN PLACE, I THINK THERE'S A SIGN.

I REMEMBER YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT IN AN ARTICLE RECENTLY WHERE THERE'S SIGNAGE THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW, HERE'S WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE STOPPING FOR PEDESTRIANS.

ONE, IT'S CRITICAL THAT PEOPLE USE THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS RATHER THAN JAYWALKING.

PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASSUME, TOO, POSSIBLY AS A PEDESTRIAN SO WE'VE GOT SOME KULEANA ON THAT.

WHEN CROSSING, MAKE SURE THE DRIVER SEES YOU.

MAKE SURE YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION.

DRIVERS HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE DRIVING A PRETTY LARGE, IN SOME CASES, IT CAN END UP BEING LIKE A WEAPON.

>> IT IS A WEAPON.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT BEING USED IN THAT MANNER ON PURPOSE NATIONALLY.

>> Daryl: THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES, IS IT GETTING MAYBE -- CHIEF, CAN ALSO MENTION THIS OR ANY OF YOU.

IS THE FACT THAT VEHICLES SEEM TO BE GETTING BIGGER ALL THE TIME KIND OF CONTRIBUTING TO INCREASED FATALITIES OR DEATHS ON THE ROADS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THE WAY THEY'RE BUILT, THEY'RE BUILT TO PROTECT PEOPLE INSIDE OF IT.

VEHICLES ARE GETTING BIGGER AND HIGHER.

IN THE PAST, A VEHICLE HIT YOU, IN GENERAL IT WOULD BE HITTING THE LOWER PORTION OF YOUR BODY.

NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HIT IN THE UPPER PORTION.

SURVIVABILITY GOES DOWN.

VEHICLES ARE HEAVIER.

INCLUDING SPEED YOU'RE GOING IT.

DECREASES THE SURVIVABILITY SO DEFINITELY.

>> Daryl: I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

DRIVERS NEED TO BE RETRAINED AND TAKE A TEST EVERY TWO YEARS.

IS YOUR SENSE -- CHIEF, I WANT TO CALL YOU BEN.

>> THAT'S MY NAME.

[LAUGHTER] >> Daryl: DRIVERS TEND TO GET LACKADAISICAL?

MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE THEM REEDUCATE THEMSELVES?

>> I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A TEST EVERY TWO YEARS WHEN YOU GOT YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND THE QUESTION WAS, SHOULD YOU STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS IN THE CROSSWALK?

YOU'D HAVE A REALLY HIGH SUCCESS RATE.

IT'S HOW THAT KNOWLEDGE, THOUGH, TRANSLATES INTO ACTION ON THE ROAD.

WHEN YOU ADD THINGS LIKE BEING DISTRACTED AND TRAVELING ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT AND IMPAIRMENT.

EITHER ON THE PATH OF THE DRIVER AND/OR PEDESTRIAN.

ON HAWAI'I COUNTY WE SEE A SUBSTANTIAL FATALITIES WITH THE PEDESTRIANS HAVE NARCOTICS AN DRUGS IN THEIR BLOOD SYSTEM.

HOW DO WE GUARDRAIL THIS BACK?

I DOUBT IT'S A KNOWLEDGE-BASED ISSUE.

>> Daryl: I'M GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT CROSSWALKS.

SOME OF THEM ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS.

CARS DON'T RESPECT CROSSWALKS AND STREET SIGNS AND SPEED THROUGH WITHOUT CHECKING FOR PEDESTRIANS.

CAN WE PUT UP CAMERAS TO MONITOR BUSY CROSSWALKS?

ED SNIFFEN IS SMILING LIKE -- YOU'VE GOT THAT PROGRAM.

HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS FOR THE -- WAS ABOUT PEDESTRIANS?

>> IT'S FOR EVERYBODY.

>> Daryl: THE RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM.

>> THE RED LIGHT SAFETY CAMERA PROGRAM IT'S FOR EVERYBODY.

IF WE CAN MAKE PEOPLE FOLLOW THE LAW AT THOSE RED LIGHTS, WE PROTECT PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AND VEHICLES THAT CROSSING.

EVERYBODY GETS PROTECTED IT IF EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE RULES.

WE WOULD LOVE TO EXPAND IT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PILOT THAT ALLOWS TEN INTERSECTIONS IN ONE COURT DISTRICT.

AS SOON AS THAT PILOT IS DONE AFTER TWO YEARS, WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR LEGISLATURE TO HOPEFULLY GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO STATEWIDE.

>> Daryl: SO WHEN IS THAT?

WHAT IS THE TIME LINE ON THAT?

WHEN IS THE TWO YEARS UP?

>> ENDS OF NEXT YEAR.

>> Daryl: IS THIS FAST ENOUGH FOR YOU?

>> NO.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.

GO BACK TO VAN CAM.

WE HAD A SYSTEM THAT TRACKS SPEEDS AND ENFORCED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW IT AS UNFAIR.

MAINLY BECAUSE THEY GOT TICKETS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY RECORDS DURING THAT TIME, SAFETY WENT UP.

IF YOU LOOK AT COMPLIANCE TO YIELDING TO PEDESTRIANS.

WENT UP.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT GO THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S A BLUE LIGHT AT THE CORNER, ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU MAKE IN DRIVING SAFELY WENT UP.

THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T DISAGREE IT WAS UNFAIR WE WERE PAYING A VENDOR TO ISSUE TICKETS.

I DON'T AGREE THAT IT WAS UNFAIR THAT THESE CAMERAS COULD BE ANYPLACE.

>> Daryl: THE COUNTY DIDN'T WANT THE PROGRAM.

IT WAS IMPOSED AND FORCED THE STATE TO PICK CERTAIN PLACES THAT HAD CERTAIN SPEED LIMITS AND THEY WERE THERE ALL THE TIME.

THE SAME DRIVERS -- YOU REMEMBER ALL THAT.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE.

NOW EVERYONE'S ALIGNED.

>> Daryl: WHAT'S THE CITY'S POSITION ON THIS TECHNOLOGY BASED ENFORCEMENT?

>> SO THE CITY HAS BEEN PARTICIPATING AND PARTNER IN THE RED LIGHT SAFETY CAMERAS, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO ADDRESS SAFETY.

I MEAN, AS MUCH AS OUR POLICE OFFICERS DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK, THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE.

A CAMERA CAN PROVIDE THAT CONSTANT ENFORCEMENT.

TO ED'S POINT, TOO, WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS ARE.

I'M SURE ON HAWAI'I COUNTY, THEY DO AS WELL.

AND IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE AREAS -- NOT JUST AT THE RED LIGHTS, BUT ALSO SPEED ENFORCEMENT, WE COULD TACKLE THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE SPEED IS SUCH A CONSEQUENTIAL VARIABLE IN JUST ABOUT ALL THE CRASHES.

>> Daryl: YOU'RE A STUDENT OF WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER PLACES.

YOU'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN LEARNING ABOUT WHAT'S WORKED IN OTHER PLACES.

HAVE SPEED CAMERAS FOCUSED ON CERTAIN AREAS REALLY SUCCEEDED IN LOWER SPEED AND SAFETY IN OTHER PLACES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IF YOU LOOK AT ANOTHER COUNTRY LIKE AUSTRALIA OR NEW ZEALAND, THEY'VE PUT IN SPEED CAMERAS.

AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO REGULATE SPEED IN RURAL AREAS WHERE THEY COULDN'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT ALL THE TIME.

AND THEIR NUMBERS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL HAVE BEEN DROPPING.

IN AUSTRALIA, THEY -- MORE THAN HALF THE NUMBERS IN 20 YEARS.

>> CAN I ADD ONE THING?

>> Daryl: PLEASE.

>> ISSUES WITH THE CAMERA.

WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE RAISED SIDEWALKS.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.

THOSE SIDEWALKS SLOW CARS DOWN.

FOR PEOPLE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT YOUR INCONVENIENCE SAVING SOMEONE'S LIFE IS WORTH IT.

THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF PEDESTRIAN SAFELY.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE THINK ABOUT AT AARP, KUPUNA SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CROSS THEIR FINGERS TO CROSS -- GO ACROSS THE STREET IN A CROSSWALK SAFELY.

IT SHOULDN'T BE SUCH A CHALLENGE.

IT REALLY -- ANYWAY -- >> Daryl: NO, NO.

>> ADD THAT ON THERE.

>> Daryl: I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

>> PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BEING INCONVENIENT ON THEIR WAY TO WORK, BUT YOU MIGHT SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE.

COME ON.

>> INCONVENIENCE IS AN ONLY INCONVENIENCE IF YOU'RE GOING FASTER THAN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO.

AT THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

YOU GLIDE OVER.

>> THE REASON WE PUT IN RAISED CROSSWALKS IN AS MANY PLACES WE HAVE, IT'S A LOW-TECH SOLUTION.

I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT POWER.

DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUNNING THROUGH PROCESSES.

IT WILL WORK EVERY TIME.

>> Daryl: TO PEOPLE SPEED UP BETWEEN THE HUMPS?

>> I HAVEN'T SEE THAT.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THOSE HUMPS WORK.

500 FEET BEFORE AND 500 FEET AFTER.

IT CALMS THAT CORRIDOR FOR ABOUT A THOUSAND STREET.

IF YOU DOUBLE THEM UP OR PUT MORE IN AN AREA, IT MAGNIFIES THAT AREA.

KALIHI STREET, THAT USED TO BE A  RACEWAY.

WE PUTS SIX RAISED CROSSWALKS.

YOU DON'T SEE SIGNIFICANT SPEEDS ANYMORE.

EVEN BETWEEN THE RAISED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS.

>> Daryl: YEAH.

I DRIVE THAT ALMOST EVERYDAY.

I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME.

A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE RULES ARE AROUND CROSSWALKS.

SO CHIEF, TELL ME WHAT'S THE PROPER WAY FOR -- WE HAD A NEW LAW -- NOT NEW, EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, THEY REALLY STARTED TO SAY YOU HAVE TO YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS IN A CROSSWALK.

AND SO THE QUESTION FROM JEAN, KANEOHE.

SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO CROSS THE STREET AS A PEDESTRIAN WHO RELIES ON HEARING CARS BASS BY.

IT'S HARD TO HEAR ELECTRIC CARS PASS BY WHEN CROSSING.

OKAY.

IF WE CAN REDUCE PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS IF PEDESTRIAN FOLLOW THE SIGNAL LIGHTS.

NOT CROSS WHEN THE COUNTDOWN HAS ALREADY STARTED.

NOT JAYWALK AND PAY ATTENTION TO CARS.

BEVERLY FROM MAKIKI.

DO PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO BE ACTUALLY BE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE CROSSWALK FOR THE STOP LIGHT TO TURN LET AND CAR TO STOP?

I DON'T QUITE GET THAT.

PEDESTRIANS DON'T HAVE AN INVISIBILITY FORCE FIELD OF IMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE TO LOOK.

SO GIVE US THE LATEST RULES ABOUT CROSSING A ROAD AND BEING A VEHICLE APPROACHING A CROSSWALK WHEN SOMEONE'S AROUND.

>> SO IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF OAHU, THE WAY TO CROSS THE STREET IS ONE OF TWO WAYS AND BOTH OF THEM INVOLVE CROSSWALKS.

THE TERM CROSSWALK IS DEFINED IN HAWAI'I REVISED STATUTES AS ONE OF TWO THINGS.

EITHER AT AN INTERSECTION WHERE TWO ROADS INTERSECT BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK.

ONE SIDEWALK ENDS AND THE OTHER BEGINS.

THAT COULD BE PAINTED.

THERE COULD BE A MARKING ON THE GROUND OR UNPAINTED.

THERE ARE UNMARKED CROSSWALKS THAT ARE CROSSWALKS BY DEFINITION BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE STREETS COME TOGETHER.

THE OTHER PLACE IS A MID-BLOCK CROSSWALK.

THEY'RE ALWAYS MARKED, ALWAYS PAINTED AND THERE ARE NO MID-BLOCK UNMARKED CROSSWALK.

THAT'S CALLED JAYWALKING.

IF YOU'VE AN INTERSECTION WHERE THE SIDEWALKS STOPS ON ONE SIDE AND STOPS AT THE OTHER, THAT'S A CROSSWALK.

>> Daryl: THAT IS A POINT I ARGUE WITH MY WIFE ALL THE TIME.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER] >> Daryl: NO, I'M NOT.

[LAUGHTER] >> SORRY.

>> Daryl: I WONDER WHAT IT'S LIKE AT YOUR HOUSE.

[LAUGHTER] BUT THIS IDEA OF UNMARKED CROSSWALKS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE LAW AND MY RIGHT AS A PEDESTRIAN OR MY RIGHT AS A DRIVER BECAUSE I LIVE IN MAKAKILO.

THERE ARE MANY TECHNICALLY UNMARKED CROSSWALKS IN MAKAKILO ACROSS BIG STREETS.

LIKE FOUR-LANE STREETS.

>> YES, THERE ARE.

HOPEFULLY, WE PIVOT TO ED, WHO'S GOING TO TELL US WHY THEY UNMARKED SOME OF THE MARKED CROSSWALKS.

TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY, THAT IS A CROSSWALK, AND AS A PEDESTRIAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC COMING.

TRAFFIC CAN REASONABLE STOP.

I WOULD ASK YOU, WOULD YOU RATHER BE RIGHT AND DEAD OR WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT AND MOVE TOWARDS A MARKED CROSSWALK.

>> Daryl: IT'S A HARD QUESTION.

>> WELL, YOU CAN BE DEAD.

>> Daryl: SO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REASONABLE TO STOP?

RIGHT.

BECAUSE IF THAT PERSON IS SPEEDING AND THEY'RE A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY AND I START TO CROSS THAT INTERSECTION, AND THAT GUY CAN HIT ME IF HE DOESN'T SLOW DOWN.

SO IS IT OKAY FOR ME TO STEP OUT THERE IF IT MIGHT FORCE THE GUY TO SLOW DOWN?

>> I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT.

I WANT TO SURVIVE.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THAT THE OTHER PARTY, WHETHER YOU'RE THE PEDESTRIAN AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRIVER OR YOU'RE THE DRIVER AND LOOKING AT THE PEDESTRIAN.

YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THE OTHER PERSON TO DO SOMETHING, WATCH THEM.

>> Daryl: LIKE DEFENSIVE WALKING.

>> MAKE EYE CONTACT.

YOU HAVE SILENT COMMUNICATION WHERE I'M GOING TO CROSS.

I'M GOING TO SLOW DOWN.

YOU CAN BUILD ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ELIMINATE SOME, BUT BEING AWARE ON BOTH PARTS IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET SUCCESS.

>> Daryl: BACK TO THE COUNTDOWN.

WHAT'S THE RULE WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE LIGHT THERE AND HAND COMES OUT OR NUMBERS START COUNTING DOWN.

>> WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE COUNTING DOWN OR IT'S BLINKING, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CROSS THE STREET.

NOT SUPPOSED TO STEP OFF THE CURB.

INCLUDING IF THERE'S AN INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE.

IN WAIKIKI, SOME PLACES -- >> ALA MOANA.

>> ALA MOANA AND ENA COMES TO MIND.

THERE'S KIND OF AN ISLAND NEAR HILTON HAWAIIAN VILLAGE.

LITTLE SAFETY-ISH AREA.

I HESITATE TO USE THE WORD.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.

WHEN THE HAND IS WHITE OR SHOWS THE WHITE PEDESTRIAN WALKING SILHOUETTE, IT'S OKAY TO STEP OFF THE CURB AND BEGIN CROSSING THE ROAD.

ONCE THE HAND STARTS BLINKING RED OR COUNTDOWN START, IT'S ILLEGAL TO STEP OFF THE CURB AND START CROSSING THE ROAD.

>> Daryl: ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT CROSSWALKS, IN WAIKIKI, THERE'S A NUMBER OF NOW EVERYBODY CROSSES IT THE SAME TIME.

STOP ALL TRAFFIC.

EVERYBODY CROSSES SAME TIME.

LOT OF CRABBING WHEN IT FIRST STARTED FROM DRIVERS WHO FELT THAT WAS TOO LONG.

HOW IS THAT GOING?

DANIEL ALEXANDER?

>> SO THE CITY IMPLEMENTED ALL-WAY OR SOMETIMES CROSSING WHERE ALL TRAFFIC STOPS.

AND PEDESTRIANS CAN GO IN ANY WHICH DIRECTION ON KALAKAUA AVENUE AT I BELIEVE SIX INTERSECTIONS SOMETIME AGO.

MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE STATE ON ALA MOANA BOULEVARD RECENTLY.

>> HOBRON AND ENA.

IT'S GOING REALLY WELL.

WE MINIMIZED THE DELAY TO DRIVERS.

THERE'S STILL SOME.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, NOBODY GOT HIT, NOBODY GOT KILLED.

IT'S GOING WELL.

WE STILL GET COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THAT AREA.

MOST COMPLAINING ARE CUTTING THROUGH THE AREA TO GET SOMEPLACE ELSE.

NOT THE RESIDENTS.

>> Daryl: ALONG ALA MOANA BOULEVARD, YOU ELIMINATED A LOT OF RIGHT TURNS ON RED, WHICH IS VERY IRRITATING TO SOME OF US.

WHY DID YOU DO THAT AND WHAT'S THE SAFETY FACTOR THERE?

>> IT'S TWOFOLD.

>> Daryl: SHOULDN'T THAT BE EVERYWHERE?

>> EVERYWHERE?

I DON'T KNOW.

FOR A LOT OF PLACES YES.

WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT SAFETY ISSUES FOR RIGHT TURNERS, AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM CAN ATTEST TO THIS WHEN YOU SEE THE SYSTEM.

WHEN SOMEBODY'S TURNING RIGHT, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING IN FRONT THEM WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE CROSSING.

THEY'RE NOT LOOKING RIGHT AT THE CROSSWALK WHERE OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT BE CROSSING.

THEY'RE LOOKING LEFT TO SEE IF THERE'S A GAP IN TRAFFIC FOR THEM TO GO.

WHEN THEY ACCELERATE, THEY PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AT RISK.

BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE IN THOSE CROSSWALKS.

WE ELIMINATED THOSE RIGHTS ON REDS IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT VOLUMES OF PEDESTRIANS AND SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RED TURNERS.

EVERYONE'S SAFE IN THOSE AREAS.

>> Daryl: BEN MOSZKOWICZ, CHIEF, WHEN ONE JURISDICTION DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ONE THING I'VE NOTICED IS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT RIGHT TURN FOR YEARS STILL MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN ON RED LIKE TEN CARS IN A ROW WILL GO.

IS THERE COLLABORATION THAT SAYS, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

CAN YOU PUT SOME ENFORCEMENT SO PEOPLE BELIEVE IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK ALL THE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENTS DOES WELL WITH THE COUNTY DTSs.

WE HAVE COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIPS.

HERE'S THE PLAN.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

TYPICALLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CITE EVERYONE WHO TURNS RIGHT ON RED THE FIRST DAY.

THAT'S NOT FAIR.

THAT'S NOT COOL.

EVEN IF WE STOP PEOPLE AND REMIND THEM, PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING FOR SIGNS THEY'RE FAMILIAR IN.

THEY'RE WATCHING PEDESTRIANS, THEY'RE WATCHING CARS.

THEY ASSUME THEY KNOW WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AND IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

WHEN YOU CHANGE THINGS, SIGNS KIND VISIBLE OFTEN GO UNSEEN AT FIRST.

A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPAIGN.

STOPPING PEOPLE TO GIVE WARNINGS BEFORE WE START ISSUING CITATIONS.

>> DANIEL, I GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS ABOUT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW IN ONE PLACE OR ANOTHER, THERE'S A SIGN MISSING.

LIKE IT GOT KNOCKED DOWN AND HASN'T BEEN REPLACED OR THE CROSSWALK HASN'T BEEN PAINTED IN A LONG TIME OR IT'S BEEN WEATHER BEATEN.

IS THERE A PLACE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD CALL TO GET THAT STUFF DONE?

RATHER THAN CALLING US?

>> HONOLULU 311 APP.

YOU CAN REPORT WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, AND YOU CAN FLAG WHERE IT IS.

IT PUTS ON THE MAP.

I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER BUT THERE'S A CITY NUMBER.

>> Daryl: 311 WILL WORK?

>> THE HONOLULU 311 IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THAT TO POST THOSE ISSUES.

>> YOU CAN TAKE PICTURES.

I'VE GOT TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

IT TAKE PICTURES.

IT WILL GEOTAG THE LOCATION.

GIT GETS SENT DIRECTLY, CHOOSE YOUR ISSUE AND IT GETS TO THE RIGHT DISTRICT.

>> Daryl: WHAT?

>> AN APP.

WE TELL THE PUBLIC THE MORE SPECIFIC YOUR ISSUE IS, BETTER.

SOMETIMES WE'LL GET A COMPLAINT, WHOLE STREET OR SOMETHING.

KIND OF HARD TO ACT ON IT.

IF YOU HAVE THAT PICTURE AND THAT LOCATION AND YOU'RE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, IT DEFINITELY WILL GET ACTION FROM THE CITY.

>> Daryl: STOP SIGNS.

ARE STOP SIGNS EFFECTIVE?

THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT.

AGAIN, KAPOLEI THERE'S A LOT OF BIG INTERSECTIONS WITH STOP SIGNS.

THERE'S SOME STOP SIGNS THAT SAY STOP HERE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND IT'S SMALL.

YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.

ARE WE GOOD AT STOP SIGNS IN THIS CITY, IN THIS STATE?

>> SO AGAIN THE RULES FOR STOP SIGN, STOP SIGN, STOP.

IF THERE'S A LINE, YOU HAVE TO STOP BEFORE THE LINE.

IF THERE'S NO LINE, STOP AT THE SIGN OR AT THE INTERSECTION BEFORE YOU ENTER THE INTERSECTION.

THE YELLOW, KIND OF TINTED SIGNS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THAT HAVE A RED OCTAGON THAT SAYS "STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS," THOSE AREN'T OFFICIAL TRAFFIC CONTROL.

THEY'RE GOOD WARNINGS AND YOU SHOULD STOP FOR PEDESTRIANS.

THAT'S LESS OF A STOP SIGN VIOLATION.

THE POINT, AGAIN, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

SOMETHING PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE USED TO.

WHEN THEY POP UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, PEOPLE SEE THEM.

HOPEFULLY THAT CHANGES BEHAVIOR.

>> Daryl: ON THE NORTH SHORE, THERE ARE MANY PLACES LIKE WAIMEA VALLEY WHERE TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ILLEGALLY CROSS THE ROAD.

CAN THEY BUILD A PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS ON A HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC AREA?

ED, PEDESTRIAN OVERPASSES.

YOU'RE COUGHING.

DO WE DO ENOUGH TO GET PEDESTRIANS OUT OF THESE DANGEROUS SITUATION?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT MORE.

IF THERE'S PEOPLE CROSSING IN AREAS THAT ARE ILLEGAL, THERE'S A REASON.

MAKE SURE WE START ADDRESSING THOSE REASONS, EITHER DIRECTING THEM TO THE RIGHT AREAS OR PROVIDING CROSSING IN THOSE AREAS THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE.

ANY TIME WE GO THROUGH A PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS THAT REQUIRES AN EA, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THREW A LOT OF TIMES.

>> Daryl: EA?

>> ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

THE PUBLIC GETS TO WEIGH IN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SHORE, DON'T LIKE TO SEE VERTICAL STRUCTURES COMING UP AND TAKING AWAY THEIR LINE.

>> Daryl: SIGHT LINE.

>> THERE'S ISSUES WE GOT TO ADDRESS, AND SOMETIMES AN ELEVATED PATH IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

>> Daryl: YOU'VE BEEN DOING WORK WITH TRAFFIC CIRCLES.

MAYBE DANIEL.

THEY ARE PRETTY POPULAR ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

DO YOU SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE IT SAFE ENTER HAWAI'I.

>> TRAFFIC CIRCLES A SMALL SCALE.

LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, AND THE SAFETY BENEFITS OF IT OR ROUND-ABOUT ARE ENORMOUS.

YOU'RE SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.

IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE AT BRINGING SPEEDS DOWN.

THE BIGGER ONES WOULD HAVE A DESIGN SPEED.

15 OR 25 MILES AN HOUR, AND THEY PREVENT THE LEFT TURN.

T-BONE CRASH BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE WILL BE RUNNING INTO SOMEONE GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THEM.

THEY'RE EFFECTIVE TOOLS.

THE SPEED REDUCTION.

>> Daryl: WHERE ARE YOU PLANNING TO PUT THOSE?

ARE THERE MORE COMING IN?

>> IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

GENERALLY ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

I DON'T THINK THE CITY INSTALLED A ROUND-ABOUT IN RECENT YEARS.

THERE ARE SOME EXISTING, BUT I KNOW THE STATE HAS INSTALLED ROUND-ABOUTS RECENTLY.

>> Daryl: I KNOW THERE'S ONE KIND OF BY -- WHEN YOU COME UP OUT OF WAIPAHU AND YOU'RE GOING BEHIND WAIKELE SHOPPING CENTER, THERE'S A ROUND-ABOUT ON MANAGER'S DRIVE, I THINK IT IS.

THAT ONE SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY ONE ANYWHERE.

>> SORRY, I MISSPOKE.

WE HAD A RECENT PROJECT IN KUNIA.

KUPUNA LOOP.

WE INSTALLED TWO ROUND-ABOUTS.

>> Daryl: THERE'S NOT A CONCERTED PROGRAM TO INSTALL ONE OF THESE THINGS?

YOU LOOK AT EVERY ONE INDIVIDUALLY?

>> SO THERE IN KUNIA, THAT WAS A SPECIFIC COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT THAT LOOKED AT KUNIA LOOP.

WE DID A NUMBER OF THINGS.

WE DID ANOTHER SECTION OF IT CALLED A ROAD DIET.

IT WAS A FOUR-LANE STREET, WE CONVERTED TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER LEFT-TURN LANES.

BIKE LANES.

AND WHEN WE DO A COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT, WE LOOK AT THE SAFETY NEEDS AND WHAT THE RIGHT TOOLS ARE.

>> Daryl: HOW CAN PEOPLE LOBBY TO HAVE A COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> YOU CAN REACH OUT TO US, REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR OR YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL.

AT THE CITY, WE LARGELY FOLLOW A REHABILITATION OF THE STREETS PROGRAM WHERE THE STREET IS GOING TO BE TORN UP.

WE TRY TO GET AHEAD OF IT.

THAT'S THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE IT.

>> Daryl: HOW ABOUT D.O.T.?

YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING CONCERTED GOING?

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> IT'S A CASE-BY-CASE.

LOOKING AT THE ROUND-ABOUT, WE LIKE THE OPTION.

WE PUT IT IN KIHEI.

IT WORK OUT REALLY WELL.

IT WAS 50 MILES AN HOUR.

NOW IT'S 18 TO 20, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.

ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.

WE HAVE ONE COMING UP ON KAHEKILI HIGHWAY.

KAMEHAMEHA HIGHWAY, THAT INTERSECTION.

THERE'S A LOT OF LEFT-TURN TRAFFIC WITH A LOT OF HIGH SPEED AND VOLUME.

THOSE ARE AREAS THAT THE ROUND-ABOUTS WORK REALLY, REALLY WELL FOR US.

SLOWS THE TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT IT'S A LOT MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE SIGNAL.

AGAIN, THEY WORK EVERY TIME.

I DON'T NEED POWER FOR THOSE ROUND-ABOUTS.

YOU CAN'T BLOW THROUGH THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

>> Daryl: GO AHEAD.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I KEEP HEARING IS THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS.

AT LEAST AS IT RELATES TO THE ENGINEERING SIDE.

ENGINEERING, EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT?

A BIG CHALLENGE, I THINK, FOR THE CITY AND THE STATE IS FUNDING.

I THINK THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE NEED TO HAVE -- BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ADVOCATING FOR THAT AT THE CITY, AT THE STATE LEVEL IS REALLY TO GET OUR COUNCILMEMBERS, THE MAYORS, THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO REALLY STEP FORWARD TO PROVIDE FUNDING.

YOU KNOW, ED AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS BASICALLY SAFE STREETS FOR KUPUNA TO KEIKI OR KEIKI TO KUPUNA?

AND UNLESS THE FUNDS ARE SET UP AND DEDICATED TO ENABLE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE ED AND OTHERS TO ACTUALLY BEGIN TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'VE SEEN THEM ALREADY BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO LET'S JUST DO MORE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE QUESTIONS AROUND, DOES A RAISED SIDEWALK WORK?

DOES A TURN-ABOUT WORK?

THESE ARE ALL KNOWN.

LET'S GET IT DONE.

>> Daryl: I'M WONDERING, I'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT KIDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, MORE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE TAKING THE LOCAL BUS RATHER THAN THE SCHOOL BUSSES.

THERE'S SAFETY ABOUT SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY ROWDY STUDENTS, BY DEFINITION STUDENTS.

THIS IS JOAN FROM MAUI.

DO WE HAVE A LOT OF -- WE TALK ABOUT FATALITIES, BUT DO WE HAVE A LOT OF MINOR PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS AROUND SCHOOLS?

AROUND WHERE KIDS ARE?

WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE?

>> WE DO.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH KIDS, KEIKI AND KUPUNA, THAT'S WHEN THE RISK FACTOR GOES UP.

THEY'RE INEXPERIENCED OR VERY EXPERIENCED.

[LAUGHTER] >> Daryl: THEY MIGHT NOT BE AS AWARE.

>> CORRECT.

>> Daryl: OR ABLE TO PROCEED.

>> PHYSICALLY, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ED HAS DONE, AGAIN TO HIS CREDIT, IS THEY'VE LOOKED AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ON OAHU, AND THEY PUT IN -- I KNOW YOU DON'T USE THE TERM BUT I LIKE IT.

RAISED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS AROUND THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.

THAT WAS A DIRECT REQUEST FROM D.O.E.

TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE ON OAHU, AND THAT WENT TO ED.

INSTANTLY THEY STARTED PLANNING AND THOSE THINGS GOT INSTALLED.

THAT ABSOLUTELY IS A FACTOR.

SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THE THINKING WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE DO WE PUT THIS?

>> Daryl: IF WE START LOOKING AT NON-FATAL ACCIDENTS, DO YOU KNOW STATISTICALLY, ARE THERE A LOT THAT ARE TRACKED AND GO INTO YOUR DATA TO MAKE DECISION ABOUT WHERE YOU PUT STUFF?

>> WE TRACK FATALITIES AND MAJOR CRASHES.

MAJOR CRASHES ARE ANY CRASH THAT RESULTS IN AN INJURY OR $3,000 WORTH OF DAMAGE IT A VEHICLE OR TO PROPERTY.

ALL THOSE CRASHES ARE TRACK THE.

WE MAP THEM.

WORK WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE TO MAKE SURE WE TRACK THEM.

SO WE HAVE THE DATA POINTS TO CONSIDER WHERE BEST TO PUT MITIGATED MEASURES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST IMPACT.

>> Daryl: IS THAT STUFF ONLINE?

>> ON OUR WEBSITE.

WE PUT ALL FATALITIES THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

I THINK WE HAVE OUR MAJOR CRASHES.

IF WE DON'T, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT AFTER THIS MONTH.

>> AFTER THE KAPIOLANI BOULEVARD -- I'M SORRY, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER HER NAME.

>> SARA YARA.

>> Daryl: THAT WAS SO HEARTBREAKING.

THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SCHOOLS, PARTICULAR IN HONOLULU AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

HAS THERE BEEN PROGRESS?

CATCHING UP ON PERHAPS ENGINEERING OR SIGNAGE OR IMPROVEMENTS THERE?

>> IT'S CERTAINLY A FOCUS FOR US.

AND PROBABLY AS MANY ARE AWARE, THANKS TO D.O.T., THERE'S TWO SPEED HUMPS IN KAMAKEE AND KAPIOLANI BOULEVARD WHERE SARA WAS KILLED.

I KNOW WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH D.O.T.

UNDER THEIR RAISE CROSSING PROGRAM TO PENSACOLA STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MCKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

IT HAS FOUR UNCONTROLLED CROSSWALKS.

THEY'RE MARKED BUT DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAL AND DON'T MEET OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.

WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE CROSSING THERE.

WE HAVE A PLAN TO UPGRADE THEM, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH D.O.T.

TO PUT IN RAISED CROSSING IN THE NEAR TERM TO IMPROVE THAT SAFETY REALLY TREMENDOUSLY.

>> Daryl: HERE'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

MAYBE EBIKES, ESCOOTERS AND ONE-WHEELERS RIDE IN CROSSWALKS AND PUT PEDESTRIANS AT RISK.

EVEHICLES DON'T BELONG IN PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS.

CYNTHIA IN HONOLULU.

CHIEF, WHAT'S THE RULES?

WHERE ARE THEY ALLOWED TO BE?

WHERE ARE THEY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE?

THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLES IN THAT LIST.

WHAT DIRECTION ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO IF THEY'RE ON THE SIDEWALK?

>> STATE LAW IS DIFFERENT FROM THE COUNTY LAW.

I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A COUNTY-SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECALL.

>> Daryl: HONOLULU WAS CONFUSING.

IN SOME PLACES YOU COULD GO ON THE SIDEWALK AND SOME YOU COULDN'T.

>> CORRECT.

BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, IT'S ILLEGAL TO RIDE YOUR BIKE ON THE CROSSWALK.

RIDE ON THE STREET IN THE FLOW TRAFFIC UNLESS YOU'RE IN A PROTECTED BIKE LANE.

MOPEDS, SOME ARE CONSIDERED MOPEDS BECAUSE THE LAW HAS NOT MAYBE DEVELOPED AS QUICKLY AS THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE USE CASES.

SOME DEVICES ARE MAYBE CONSIDERED BICYCLES IF THEY'RE HUMAN POWERED OR CONSIDERED MOPEDS IF THEY'RE NOT HUMAN POWERED.

THE PROBLEM THERE IS THE STATE IS NOT EQUIPPED NOR SHOULD IT LICENSE OR REGULATE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SAFE FOR OPERATION ON THE COUNTY OR STATE ROADS.

>> Daryl: OKAY.

SO I'M SORRY, I DON'T GO VERY MANY PLACES ANYMORE.

SO IF HAVE AREAS WHERE I LIVE AND WHERE I WORK.

I SEE SMALL ELECTRIC BIKES WITH YOUNG KIDS SPEEDING UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK.

ELECTRIC BIKES ARE FAST.

THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A HELMET.

AND THERE'S OLD PEOPLE WALKING ON THOSE ROADS AND STUFF.

MAYBE, ED, YOU CAN HELP ME.

WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THIS?

I THINK IT'S GETTING TO BE A GROWING ISSUE.

YOU WANT THEM TO USE THESE THINGS BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR CARS BUT SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT?

>> MICROMOBILITIES ARE A BIG THING.

ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, ELECTRIC BIKES.

THOSE ARE PIECES THAT GET PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

IN GENERAL, IF SOMEBODY'S WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF THEIR DESTINATION, IN WHATEVER MODE THEY'RE TRAVELING, IT'S CONSIDERED A VIABLE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.

WALKING AND BIKING CAN BE EXTENDED WITH AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER OR ELECTRIC BIKE.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY IF WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS.

THE LAWS HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.

WE'VE PASSED STATE LAWS THAT IDENTIFY WHERE AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER SHOULD BE.

WHAT AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER SHOULD BE BUT NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE YET.

EACH COUNTIES ARE ADOPTING THEIR OWN ORDINANCES.

THAT BEING SAID, WHETHER IT'S IN LAW OR NOT, EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN, JUST KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK OR ON THE STREET.

BE AWARE.

DEFINITELY ENJOY YOURSELF BUT UNDERSTAND THERE ARE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND ELECTRIC BIKES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE AREA THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO JUST PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

>> Daryl: JOE IN HILO WRITES, AS A KID GROWING UP IN HILO, I WAS TAUGHT WHETHER YOU ARGUE WITH A 5,000-POUND VEHICLE, GUARANTEE YOU LOSE.

I ALWAYS DEFER TO CARS, WHETHER I HAVE A RIGHT OR WAY OR NOT.

GOOD ADVICE.

HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

UNITED STATES DRIVING LAWS ARE TOO LAX.

FINES AND PUNISHMENT TOO LENIENT.

I SUPPORT STRONGER ENFORCEMENT LIKE SINGAPORE OR ENGLAND WHERE CARS ARE IMPOUNDED FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

CHIEF, SHOULD WE BE TOUGHER?

WOULD THAT WORK?

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SEIZING CARS.

THAT'S A BIG -- A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING CARS THEY OWN.

BE BIG, TOUGH, SLAM THEM WITH THE BOOK KIND OF PUNISHMENT?

>> I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS IN HONOLULU WE USED TO SET UP PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS.

I DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE WORD "TRAP."

[LAUGHTER] WHAT WE DO IS WE WOULD GO TO A CITY STREET WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 30 OR 35 MILES AN HOUR.

BASED ON THE TWO-SECOND REACTION AVERAGE TIME AND AVERAGE VEHICLE STOPPING TIME WE KNOW BASED ON DATA, WE KNOW HOW FAR BACK YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO STOP FOR A PEDESTRIAN IN THE CROSSWALK.

WE WOULD HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN AS AN OFFICER WEARING BRIGHT COVERED CLOTHING AND OTHER OFFICERS WATCHING.

AS LONG AS THE CAR WAS BEFORE THE CONE WE PREMARKED OFF, THE OFFICER WOULD STEP OUT TO THE ROADWAY.

AND IF THE CAR STOPPED, THEY GOT TO KEEP GOING.

IF THEY DIDN'T STOP, THE OFFICERS WOULD PULL THEM OVER AND CITE THEM.

WE HAD TO STOP DOING IT BECAUSE OF COMPLAINTS WE GOT.

>> Daryl: COMPLAINTS FROM WHOM?

>> PEOPLE WHO SAW IT.

THEY THOUGHT IT WAS UNSAFE.

FROM PEOPLE WHO GOT CITED.

FROM PROSECUTORS.

JUDICIARY.

>> Daryl: WHAT WERE PROSECUTORS AND JUDICIARY COMPLAINING ABOUT?

>> IF SOMETHING ISN'T GOING TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY, UNTIL YOU CAN CHANGE THE METRIC -- >> IT'S ENTRAPMENT?

>> THAT'S THE ALLEGATIONS.

I DIDN'T SAY I AGREED.

I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

YOU COULD MAKE A FINE $1,000 FOR TRAFFIC CITATION, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM TO CONVICT PEOPLE AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKE THEM PAY THE $1,000, IF PEOPLE THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE -- >> Daryl: YOU HEAR STORIES LIKE THIS, KEALI'I, WHAT GOES  THROUGH YOUR MIND?

>> I JUST SHAKE MY HEAD.

AGAIN, WE GET BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF THE DEGREE TO WHICH IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO STOP FOR A PEDESTRIAN AND TO HAVE TO MAKE THEIR WAY OVER A SPEED BUMP OR WHATEVER, DO A TURN-ABOUT.

IN THE END, IT'S BEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IT'S SAFETY.

AND OUR CARING FOR ONE ANOTHER HAS TO EXTEND, NOT JUST TO WHO OUR NEIGHBORS ARE BUT OUT ON OUR STREETS.

AND UNDERSTANDING THAT AGAIN, THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER, TOO, FOR PEOPLE WHO SPEED OR INVOLVED IN THOSE THINGS, I THINK, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ONCE YOU HIT SOMEONE, YOUR LIFE HAS CHANGED.

YES, ABSOLUTELY THE PERSON WHO PERHAPS WAS IN THE FATAL SITUATION OR DIED OR INJURED, BUT THE DRIVER MUST SIMILARLY BE IMPACTED BY THAT.

MY THING IS, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO EXPOSE YOURSELF TO THAT?

THE DEGREE TO WHAT YOU HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THIS, EDUCATING PEOPLE, HAVING MECHANISMS TO ADDRESS THAT, IT'S IMPORTANT.

I GUESS IT SEEMS SO COMMON SENSE TO DO WHAT YOU CAN TO HELP PROTECT EACH OTHER.

>> Daryl: HAVE YOU THOUGHT, ED SNIFFEN FROM D.O.T., YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE CASES ARE.

YOU SEE THEM AND TRACK THEM.

EVER HAD THOUGHTS TO MAKING PEOPLE GO ON TELEVISION OR TELL THEIR STORIES?

I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE TRAFFIC SAFETY CAMPAIGNS BUT THAT POINT SHE'S MAKING, YOU BUMP INTO SOMEBODY, YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO CHANGE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

FOR THE VICTIMS, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THEM RELIVE IT.

SO I'D NEVER ASKED THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE WHEN THE SURVIVORS THE FATALITIES TELL THEIR STORIES ABOUT IT.

IT HAS A RESOUNDING EFFECT.

>> Daryl: SARA YARA'S MOM WAS SO COURAGEOUS.

JUST TOOK IT ON AND MADE CHANGE.

>> THE STRENGTH THAT SHE AND ED WARNER, AMAZING.

ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

I LOVE WHEN THEY TELL THEIR STORIES.

I DON'T ASK IT BUT I DON'T LIKE SEE THEM RELIVE IS IT.

>> Daryl: THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD SHOW.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL OF YOU.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU FOLKS AT HOME FOR JOINING US.

WE THANK OUR GUESTS.

HAWAI'I ISLAND POLICE CHIEF BEN MOSZKOWICZ AND KEALI'I LOPEZ FROM AARP HAWAII.

AND STATE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION ED SNIFFEN AND DANIEL ALEXANDER FROM HONOLULU'S TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

THERE'S NO INSIGHTS NEXT WEEK, BUT WE WILL BE HAVING A 90-MINUTE TOWN HALL ON HAWAII'S PREPAREDNESS FOR NATURAL DISASTERS.

LAHAINA'S DEADLY WILDFIRE TRAGEDY HAS BROKEN OUR HEARTS AND TESTED OUR RESOLVEÖ BUT HURRICANES AND TSUNAMI'S ARE EQUAL THREATS.

JOIN US NEXT WEEK FOR KAKOU: ARE WE REALLY READY FOR A NATURAL DISASTER?

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I.

ALOHA!