ROOSTERS CROWING AT DAWN LONG BEEN A SYMBOL OF RURAL LIFE, BUT WHEN IT’S HAPPENING AT 2, 3, OR 4 A.M. AND HENS ARE MAKING A HOME OUT OF YOUR SUBURBAN BACKYARD, YOU’VE GOT A PROBLEM, BUT YOU ARE FAR FROM ALONE.

MANY PEOPLE ARE FED UP WITH FERAL CHICKENS RUNNING WILD IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVEN CITY SIDEWALKS.

WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THEM?

THAT’S NEXT ON INSIGHTS.

ROOSTERS CROWING WELL BEFORE SUNRISE.

HENS SCRATCHING AT GARDENS MAKING NEW NEST IN THE BACKYARD.

LIKE IT OR NOT FERAL CLICKS FINDING THEIR WAY INTO MORE NEIGHBORHOODS NOT JUST RURAL PLACE.

SOME FOLKS SEE THEM NUISANCE NEED TO BE CALLED.

OTHERS SYMBOL OF ISLAND LIFE THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT FERAL CHICKENS LIVE BROADCAST AROUND LIVESTREAM INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

¶¶ ALOHA WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M DARRYL HUFF.

WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OR THE COUNTRY, YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO FAR TO FIND A FERAL CHICKEN.

AND WHILE SOME FOLKS HAVE JOKED THEY’RE THE UNOFFICIAL STATE BIRD, TO MANY, THEY’RE A NUISANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT FERAL CHICKENS?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS, AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE PAGES.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

REPRESENTATIVE SCOT MATAYOSHI REPRESENTS PARTS OF KANEOHE AND KAILUA IN THE STATE HOUSE.

LAST YEAR, HE INTRODUCED A BILL PROPOSING A $500 FINE FOR PEOPLE FEEDING OR TO ATTEMPTING TO FEED FERAL CHICKENS.

KIM HASHIRO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY’S DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMER SERVICES.

HER DEPARTMENT IS TASKED WITH ADDRESSING NUISANCE ISSUES CREATED BY FERAL CHICKENS ON OAHU.

MATTHEW KURANO IS THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT’S ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SERVICES DIVISION CHIEF.

HE’S PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALIST AND VECTOR CONTROL PROGRAM MANAGER.

MITCHELL TYNANES IS AN ANIMAL CONTROL BUSINESS OWNER.

HIS COMPANY’S MISSION IS TO PRESERVE LOCAL HABITATS BY CONTROLING THE FERAL POPULATION THROUGHOUT OAHU.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US LET ME ASK YOU FIRST OF THE HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM IS THIS?

DO YOU GET LOTS AND LOTS OF CALLS ABOUT THIS?

IS IT LIKE FRONT AND CENTER FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.

>> WE DO, DARYL, RECEIVE NUMBER OF CALLS.

THE WAY I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT IS THE A HIGH PROFILE, VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE TO SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS.

HOWEVER, CITY WIDE, IT IS NOT AT THE TOP OF OUR COMPLAINT LIST.

SO THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT FLOAT TO THE TOP.

IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT.

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE MATAYOSHI WHAT BROUGHT TO YOU THE POINT YOU WANTED TO PUT OUT LEGISLATION FOR IT?

>> I HEARD A LOT CONCERNS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

KNOCKING BE ON DOORS.

STANDS OUT TO ME THE MOST, TALKING TO THE PRINCIPAL OF KUPUNA HALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PRINCIPAL TOLD ME THAT'S FERAL CHICKEN PROBLEM AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS SO OUT OF CONTROL, CHICKENS WERE GETTING AGGRESSIVE, KIDS FELT THREATENED, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WIDESPREAD ESPECIALLY PLACES LIKE KANEOHE.

>>Daryl: YOU HAVE A COMPANY SOUNDS LIKE YOU TO DO IT FOR PEOPLE TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM?

IS IT GETTING WORSE THE NUMBER OF CALLS YOU GET OR WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY?

>> NUMBER OF CALLS I GET IS PROBABLY MORE NUISANCE COMPLAINTS, NOT A LOT.

PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE I GUESS THE PLACE TO TURN TO.

I'M LIKE THE LAST GUY TO GET THAT CALL.

IT ALSO MITCHELL.

>>Daryl: JUST OCCURRED TO ME.

APOLOGIZE.

>> GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT IF IT'S GROWING, YES, IT IS A GROWING ISSUE.

CHICKENS MULTIPLY MORE THAN HUMANS, QUICKER, LAY EGGS.

EGG A DAY.

>>Daryl: TELL ME WORST EXAMPLE YOU'VE COME ACROSS OF FERAL CHICKEN INFESTATION.

>> LARGEST ONE PROBABLY COMMUNITY PARKS.

KAKAAKO.

BIG ISSUE OVER THERE.

DEALING WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO FEED ANIMALS.

HOMELESS OUT THERE.

AND IF LIKE ANY FERAL ANIMAL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY PRESSURE TO RELIEVE THAT, GET THOSE ANIMALS OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO MULTIPLY AND MULTIPLY.

COMES UP LATER ISSUE.

THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY, I THINK LARGER AREAS THAT I'VE BEEN IN.

>>Daryl: WITH DOES IT TO BECOME A PROBLEM FOR YOU HE FOLKS?

IS THIS A PUBLIC HEALTH QUESTION.

>> WE GET INVOLVED DISEASE COMES IN NORMALLY BROUGHT BY A PERSON.

VECTOR BORN DISEASES PERSON TO PERSON INTERMEDIARY INSECT OR FLEA OR SOME CASES ANIMALS.

REALLY CONCERNED WHEN THERE'S SPECIFIC VECTORS OF DISEASE.

LIKE MOSQUITOS FOR DENGUE VIRUS.

PROGRAM I USED TO BE VECTOR CONTROL PROGRAM DIRECTOR SAID, SUCH A HIGH PROFILE SENSITIVE ISSUE.

WE GET CALLS TOO.

TO MORE DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU NEED THOSE TWO COMPONENTS.

DISEASE AND THE WAYS SPREADS.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT DISEASE THAT IS SPREADS DIRECTLY.

HIGH RISK THROUGH CHICKENS.

SOMETHING WE RECEIVE QUITE A FEW CALLS ABOUT.

>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE LAW?

DIRECTOR, I MEAN, IS IT LEGAL TO HAVE, FEED FERAL CHICKENS NOW OR RAISE THEM EVEN?

>> THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY.

LIMITS OF TWO CHICKENS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS DIFFICULT IS THAT CHICKENS DON'T JUST STAY IN SOMEONE'S YARD.

THEY MOVE AROUND.

AND IF YOU LIVE NEXT TO A PARK OR SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S I LOT OF CHICKENS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'LL COME OVER INTO YOUR PROPERTY.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO BOUNDARIES FOR THEM.

WE HAVE NOTICED IS THAT WHEREVER FOOD IS, AVAILABLE FOR THE CHICKENS, THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL BE.

SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EDUCATE THE PUBLIC INTO NOT FEEDING CHICKENS.

BECAUSE IF YOU REMOVE THE FOOD SOURCE REMOVE SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL NESTING MATERIALS OR FOLIAGE YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF REDUCING THE CHICKEN POPULATION ON YOUR PROPERTY.

>>Daryl: MITCHELL TYNANES, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN FEEDING CHICKENS AND FEEDING OTHER ANIMALS?

>> I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST ON THAT ONE.

>>Daryl: WHAT DID I SAY?

MATTHEW AGAIN?

MATTHEW, MITCHELL, MATAYOSHI.

>> I APOLOGIZE.

MATAYOSHI.

MITCHELL.

>> BIG CORRELATION ALL FEEDING.

ONCE YOU NEED CHICKENS, PIDGEONS, ANY TYPE OF FERAL ANIMAL DRAWS IN THE REST OF THE OTHER FERAL ANIMALS.

GOT CATS.

PIGS.

FERAL DOGS.

THIS ALL DRAWN IN BECAUSE THERE'S NO PRESSURE.

ALL THEY KNOW WHERE THE FOOD IS.

>> WON'T LEAVE MULTIPLYING COMING BACK UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS OR THERE'S SOMETHING TO STOP OR MAKE THAT BREAK.

>>Daryl: GO AHEAD.

YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ISSUING WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT LEGALITY WHAT THE STATUS OF THE LAW WAS.

>> I'VE NOTICED A LOT OF CONFUSION IN MY COMMUNITY ON WHAT EXACTLY YOU CAN DO AS HOMEOWNER, FERAL CHICKENS, HOW TO GET RID OF THEM?

I THINK THERE WAS A THOUGHT YOU COULDN'T TOUCH, ETHICS COMMISSION, COULDN'T HURT THEM, COULDN'T KILL THEM.

HAD TO LET THEM HAVE THEIR WAY WITH YOUR PROPERTY.

COULDN'T DO EVERYBODY.

DISPOSE OF BODY SAFELY.

IF YOU WERE TO CATCH THEM, ALIVE OR DEAD.

ALSO KIND OF CONFUSING PART.

HOPING THAT KIM OR MAYBE MATT COULD HELP EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT EXACTLY COULD BE DONE IF YOU DO HAVE THAT FERAL CHICKEN PROBLEM, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO THEM AND WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THEM AFTER YOU DONE WHATEVER.

>>Daryl: AMPLIFY THAT, ONE OUR FIRST QUESTIONS IS FROM MIKE IN MAKIKI.

WILL WE EVER MAKE IT LEGAL TO KILL AND EAT THE CHICKENS?

>> IS IT ILLEGAL?

>>Daryl: WHEN WILL WE MAKE IT LEGAL?

HE ASSUMES THAT'S NOT LEGAL NOW.

>> I KNOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND A LOT OF DIALOGUE AT THE LEGISLATURE.

WHAT THE CITY DOES IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A RELATIVELY NEW PROGRAM FROM LAST SEPTEMBER WHERE PRIOR TO THAT, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO TRAP AND REMOVE CHICKENS ON CITY PROPERTY.

SO CITY PARKS, FACILITIES, BUT WHAT WE RECENTLY STARTED LAST SEPTEMBER WAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER PARTIALLY FUNDED PROGRAM.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN CALL OUR VENDOR AND GET HELP, THEY CAN ACTUALLY HIRE OUR VENDOR TO SET TRAPS.

ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

FOR A WEEK.

THIS INCLUDES DAILY MONITORING OF THE TRAPS AND THEN REMOVAL OF ANY CHICKENS AND THE CHICKENS ARE HUMANELY REMOVED SO THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY OR.

>>Daryl: DO THEY SHOW UP ON SOMEBODY'S DINNER TABLE.

>> NO.

PART OF IT IS THAT WHEN FERAL CHICKENS ARE FORAGING FOR FOOD, DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE EATING.

AND SO THE QUALITY OF THE MEAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT IS ON YOUR DINNER TABLE.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING I HAVE NOT EATEN ONE BEFORE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S MORE GAMEY.

IT'S TOUGHER NOT TENDER.

AND SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS COMMERCIALLY PROVIDED OR STORE BOUGHT CHICKEN.

>>Daryl: ON THAT POINT, IS IT SAFE?

I'M NOT SUGGESTING PEOPLE DO THIS, BUT IS IT ACTUALLY SAFE TO EAT A CHICKEN THAT'S BEEN OUT AND ABOUT.

>> I THINK BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, IF I CAN ADDRESS REPRESENTATIVES QUESTION, I THINK THE CITY'S PROGRAM HAS BEEN, I LIKE TO THINK SUCCESSFUL REDUCED SOME OF THE CALLS TO US AND PROVIDED VEHICLE FOR US TO REFER THOSE CALLS TO OTHERS, AND I THINK IF THEY WERE PROTECTED, THE WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK, MAYBE MISTAKENLY THINK THEY ARE NATIVE SPECIES OR MIGRATORY BIRD.

CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A PROGRAM.

LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO DRAW THAT DISTINCTION.

BECAUSE WHILE IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY NOT LIKE A PROTECTED SPECIES THAT WE UNDERSTAND AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD YIELD TO OUR SISTER AGENCY LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

>> NOW, QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S SAFE TO EAT, DIFFICULT QUESTION.

BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HUNT WILD ANIMALS AND EAT WILD GAME.

ASSUMPTION WITH THAT AND WHY IT'S SAFE AND MITCHELL, YOUR HISTORY PLEASE CHIME IN.

ANIMALS ARE NOT TAINTED OR CONTAMINATED BY ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINANT.

ISSUE WE'RE HAVING ON OAHU AND URBAN AREASES CHICKENS ARE FORAGING PLACE IS NOT CONSIDERED NATURAL HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS.

CERTAINLY, ANY TYPE OF DOMESTICALLY PRODUCED CHICKENS THAT WE EAT IN THE STORE, THEY COME FROM, RAISED AND FED AND IT'S REGULATED BY THE U.S.D.A.

AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

IS WE FEEL CONFIDENT THOSE ARE SAFE.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK MITCHELL YOU CAN PROBABLY SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM THE HUNTING VERSUS URBAN CHICKEN RUNNING AROUND FORAGING IN OUR YARDS.

>>Daryl: ASK MITCHELL, WHAT ABOUT HOW DO YOU CATCH THEM AND WHEN YOU'RE CALLED IN, WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION.

HOW MANY THERE ARE, DEPENDS WHAT TIME OF DAY I'M ABLE TO GO.

IT VARIES FROM TRAPS TO GOING UP IN A TREE, CLIMBING A TREE, CHASING THEM AROUND WITH A NET.

WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE TO GET THEM.

WE MAKE A SOMETIMES WE MAKE A GAME OF IT.

BIG OPEN PARKS, I BRING COUPLE OF MY KIDS START CHASING CHICKENS.

>> THEY GET TIRED.

WE GET THEM.

TO ANSWER THE OTHER QUESTION, ABOUT IF WILD CHICKENS, THEY ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ACCUSTOMED TO HOW THE FACTORIES MAKE THEIR CHICKENS.

SIMILAR TO THEIR COWS.

EAT A GRASS FED COW, DIFFERENT FROM THE BURGERS THAT YOU EAT IN A STORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL YOU HAVE THESE FAT, GRAIN FAT THAT YOU EAT.

DIFFERENT.

I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN SICK FROM EATEN CHICKENS, DOVES WILD DOVES, DEER PIGS.

BEING HUNTER YOU KNOW.

>> CERTAIN DISEASES PIGS HAVE.

LIKE IN THE LIVER.

>> YOU WOULD KNOW.

YOU SMELL IT.

>>Daryl: BACK TO KIM.

TELL US AGAIN WHAT IS IT THAT PEOPLE CAN DO WHEN THEY HAVE A CHICKEN PROBLEM ON THEIR PROPERTY.

>> >> ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THEY CAN CONTACT OUR VENDOR.

WE HAVE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND.

>>Daryl: DEPARTMENT OF CUSTOMER SERVICES WEBSITE, >> YES.

HONOLULU.GOV/CSD.

WE HAVE A PAGE ON FERAL CHICKENS.

DIFFERENT INFORMATION BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR VENDOR.

WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THERE'S THREE OPTIONS.

THEY CAN ACTUALLY HIRE OUR VENDOR FOR FULL SERVICE.

THAT MEANS GO ON PROPERTY, THEY WILL ASSESS AND SEE THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE TRAP.

THEY WILL PROVIDE FOOD AND WATER AND SHADE, DAILY, MONITOR THE CAGE DAILY DURING THE WEEK.

ON WEEKENDS, DEACTIVATED BECAUSE THEY DON'T MONITOR DAILY.

VERY HUMANE PROCESS OR HUMAN AS CAN BE.

>> CHICKENS ARE CAUGHT, REMOVE THE CHICKEN.

>>Daryl: WHO PAYS FOR THAT.

>> HOMEOWNER PAYS $375 FOR THE WEEK.

>> AND CITY PARTIALLY FUNDS IT.

>> $100.

>> AND SO THE TOTAL FOR THAT FULL SERVICE IS $475 FOR A WEEK.

>>Steve: IS THERE A GUARANTEE SAYS YOU WON'T HAVE CHICKENS AGAIN.

>> NOT A GUARANTEE.

BUT THEN BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER, WHEN WE STARTED THIS, JUST ABOUT 140 CHICKENS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

FOR CITY PROPERTY SINCE WE STARTED PROGRAM IN FEBRUARY OF 2022, ABOUT 900 CHICKENS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ON CITY PROPERTY.

WE KNOW IT WORKS.

GOOD TO HEAR MATT SAY THAT FEWER CALLS ARE COMING IN.

>> SO THERE IS THIS DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN WE THINK, AND HOPE, OUR PROGRAM AND WHAT THE PUBLIC IS EXPERIENCING.

I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY HAS OPTIONS NOW.

VERSUS BEFORE, WHEN THEY WOULD CALL, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD AUTHORITY AND ABILITY DO SOMETHING ON CITY PROPERTY.

NOW WE CAN GIVE THEM THIS OPTION FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IT IS AT A PARTIALLY FUNDED RATE.

>>Daryl: QUICK QUESTION.

CAME IN FROM MILES IN HAWAII KAI.

I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED QUESTION.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FERAL CHICKEN CELL IN PRIVATE PARKING LOT?

SOUNDS LIKE VOLUNTARY ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

>> YES.

>>Daryl: LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

>> IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY KINDS OF CHICKEN MITIGATION.

>>Daryl: THOUGHT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY.

>> UNFORTUNATELY.

DISCUSSED, CHICKENS HAVE WINGS AND THEN THEY FLY AND DON'T RESPECT PROPERTY LAW.

IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR, IF THEY'RE LAYING EGG A DAY, YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A PRIORITY THAT IS VERY CONDUCIVE TO BREEDING CHICKENS AND THEY DON'T CARE, YOU CAN PAY $375 A WEEK TO TRY TO GET RID OF THEM.

THEY'LL COME RIGHT BACK.

IT'S LIKE A TRYING TO TAKE WATER OUT OF A BUCKET THAT IS GETTING REFILLED.

SO THE COST WRANGLES ME.

I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL.

I APPRECIATE WHAT THE CITY DOING.

AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING.

>> BEFORE WE HAD NOTHING.

COST IS I THINK IS SO EXTREME.

THAT'S MAKING PEOPLE A LITTLE UPSET.

I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY $375 A WEEK, WEEK UPON WEEK TO TRY TO GET RID OF FERAL CHICKENS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE THIS FERAL CHICKEN PROBLEM AS A COMMUNITY GOT TO DO IT ON MORE OF A COMMUNITY BASIS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A GUY I RAN INTO LIVES NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD OVER FROM ME, RETIRED.

AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FERAL CHICKENS.

TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF BUY A COUPLE OF TRAPS SINGLEHANDEDLY ERADICATED ALL THE FERAL CHICKENS IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

NEIGHBORS LOVE HIM.

>>Daryl: LET ME, ON THAT POINT, I THINK MATTHEW, MITCHELL, I'M NEVER GOING TO GET IT RIGHT.

APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.

EVERY TIME I GET THIS WRONG.

MITCHELL.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE SHOW.

SOMEONE WANTS CLARIFICATION ON THIS.

I THINK YOU KNOW.

JEFF IN KAILUA ASKS PLEASE CLARIFY APPLICABLE LAW.

CAN I HUMANELY KILL A CHICKEN ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY NOT HIRING PEST CONTROL PERSON?

>> BY LAW OR, WHAT I WOULD DO?

THERE'S A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE FOR CITY AND STATE.

>>Daryl: I DON'T KNOW.

>> CITY LAW IS NO.

SOMEBODY SEES YOU KILL A FERAL CHICKEN ON YOUR PROPERTY, I THINK NEIGHBOR CAN STILL REPORT YOU CRUELTY TO AN IN SECOND DEGREE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

HEARD IT.

FROM HPD OFFICERS.

CAN YOU HELP ME?

YOU GOT THE BADGE.

>>Daryl: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS IN AT THAT RESPECT.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING I'M NOT AWARE A LAW THAT PROHIBITS PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO REMOVE CHICKENS FROM ITS PROPERTY.

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

HOWEVER, WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS WHAT MITCHELL BROUGHT UP.

COMMUNITY IS VERY DIVIDED.

SO MANY PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THAT LEAVE THE CHICKENS ALONE.

AND THEY'RE PART OF OUR ISLAND LIFE.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER.

OTHERS ARE, CROWING IS NUISANCE.

AND IT'S HARDSHIP IN THE MORNING.

ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP.

THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE TOO.

THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP THAT THINKS THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT COST, WHY IS COST SO HIGH.

WHY IS CITY PAYING FOR THIS?

CITY TAKEN A POSITION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE WITH.

SO IT'S A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD.

BUT I KNOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING DIFFERENT BILLS CURRENTLY WHICH COULD POSSIBLY REDUCE THAT COST.

>> AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE SENATE BILL WITH GRANT PROGRAM THAT COUNTIES WOULD APPLY FOR.

IF THAT WERE TO PASS, WHAT THE CITY COULD DO AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO APPLY FOR IT AND WE TRY TO BRING THAT COST DOWN.

BECAUSE OUR VENDOR HAS REPORTED BACK TO US THAT WHEN PEOPLE CALL WITH INTEREST IN OUR PROGRAM AND HEAR WHAT THEIR OUT OF POCKET COST IS, NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE'VE HAD FOR THE FULL SERVICE, WE'VE HAD ALMOST 30.

>>Daryl: REALLY NOT ENOUGH TO TAKE GOING SOLVE OUR PROBLEM.

>> 30 RESIDENTS BEEN ABLE TO HIRE.

>>Daryl: MITCHELL, YOU USED TRAPS.

HOW MUCH IS A TRAP COST.

>> IS IT EASY TO FIND A TRAP?

IF SOMEONE, REASON I'M ASKING IS HONOLULU ASKED, IS IT LEGAL FOR RESIDENTS TO TRAP AND KILL THE CHICKENS?

I GUESS OPPOSED WITH SLINGSHOT OR BB GUN.

>> FALL UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY.

YOU TRAP IT, HUMANELY DISPATCH THE ANIMAL.

SO IF YOU'RE CAUGHT,.

>>Daryl: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> KILL.

>>Daryl: HUMAN WAY TO KILL A CHICKEN?

>> PEST CONTROL GUYS USE CARBON MONOXIDE.

GO SLEEP.

>>Daryl: PUT THEM IN YOUR CAR.

>> COULD DO THAT TOO.

>> WHAT OUR VENDOR DOES.

>> THEY USE THAT TYPE.

>>Daryl: LIKE A TANK OR SOMETHING.

>> YEAH.

GO TO SLEEP.

>> THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

TELL BY ALL QUESTIONS COMING IN.

>> HUGE AMOUNT OF CONFUSION ON WHAT YOU CAN DO TO CHICKEN ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

>>Daryl: IT DOESN'T FEEL DANGEROUS.

EVEN WITH CATS,.

>> PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BREAK NEXT.

CUT OFF HEADS.

>> AND IDEA OF HAVING TO HAVE A CO2 GAS CHAMBER FOR A CHICKEN IS FRANKLY KIND OF LUDICROUS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

NO ONE HAS THAT.

COST IS JUST PROHIBITIVE.

SEE $375, THAT'S A SUBSIDIZED AMOUNT I'M NOT SURE THE RIGHT IDEA IS TO PUT EVEN MORE MONEY ON IT TO MAKE IT CHEAPER.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF GOVERNMENT MONEY SPENT.

TAXPAYOR DOLLARS.

IS PAYING.

WE NEED A MORE COMMUNITY BASED SOLUTION CHICKEN BOUNTY.

>> TAKE MATTER INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.

>> WE NEED TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE LAW IS.

SO AFRAID IF I HURT THIS CHICKEN, AM I GOING TO, HPD GOING TO COME.

GET ARRESTED.

GET FINED.

I THINK BEFORE, I'M HOPING THAT BEFORE WE LEAVE HERE TODAY, VERY DEFINED LINE IN THE SAND OF WHAT YOU CAN DO TO A CHICKEN ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY TO GET RID OF IT.

>>Daryl: GOOD COMMITTEE TO DO THAT.

WORK ON THAT.

GET YOU BY THE END.

COME BACK ON THAT.

>> WORKING GROUP.

>>Daryl: WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS I'M GETTING SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT TRIAGE THEM BY TYPE OF QUESTIONS NOW.

SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON BIRTH CONTROL FEEDS.

LINDA ASKS, ANYWAY A BIRTH CONTROL ADDITIVE CAN BE ADDED TO FEED AND COULDN'T BE SPREAD AROUND THE ISLAND?

SOME SORT OF STERILIZATION EFFORT?

IS THERE I AWAY BIRTH CONTROL ADDITIVE THIS LINDA AGAIN.

LINDA CALLING OVER AND OVER.

IS THERE A RAT PROBLEM IN NEW YORK CITY.

STARTED PUTTING OUT FEED LACED WITH BIRTH CONTROL ELEMENTS.

MATTHEW ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS KIND OF THING?

HOW DOES THAT FIT IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT IN GENERAL IN OUR COMMUNITY PUT OUT A CHEMICAL.

>> REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

REGULATORY SIDE, SO MUCH OF MY BACKGROUND.

DEFER TO LABEL IS THE LAW.

WHEN IT COMES TO USE OF ANY TYPE OF PESTICIDE OR DRUG.

EVEN IF IT'S FOR ANIMAL DRUGS.

BUT WE HAVE HEARD MANY INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING, WELL, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT KILLING CHICKENS, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT THEM ON BIRTH CONTROL.

I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

WHICH IS WELL, ANY KIND OF BIRTH CONTROL, THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S ONLY EFFECTIVE WHILE IT'S BEING GIVEN.

SECOND PART OF IT IS COST.

WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

BECAUSE THAT IS HUGE BARRIER I COME BACK TO SOMETHING REPRESENTATIVE MATAYOSHI SAID.

WHAT IF I'M BAILING OUT OF THE OCEAN?

SOMEONE ELSE IS FEEDING AND AGAIN, I COME BACK TO MITCHELL I'M NOT A HUNTER.

HUNTER JEALOUS OR HUNTER ENVY.

WHAT IT IS, WHEN YOU START FEEDING ANIMALS, THAT'S WHEN THEY START OVER PRODUCING MORE THAN THEY WOULD NATURALLY.

SO IF WE'RE FEEDING THEM, CAT FOOD, FOR INSTANCE, HIGHLY NUTRITIOUS, ALSO, YOU SEE EGG A DAY OR TWO.

>> CAN'T CATCH UP.

SO IT'S ALMOST BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT GOT HAS TO BE COMMUNITY ORIENTED BECAUSE YOU NEED YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD COOPERATING.

NEED THAT PERSON TO STOP.

BUT I THINK SOME OF IT IS THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT'S A PROBLEM.

DISCUSSING SITUATION WHERE JUST INFORM PEOPLE, I LIKE TO THINK ALOHA SPIRIT, PEOPLE KOKUA FOR THE MOST PART.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T.

FOR THE MOST PART, THEY DO.

>> CAN I ADD TO THAT?

WHAT WE HAD HAPPENED WAS FIRST STARTED OUR PROGRAM, THERE WAS AN AREA THAT WAS RECEIVING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND NEIGHBORS WERE VERY UPSET WITH A LOT OF CROWING.

AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN OUR VENDOR WENT OUT, AND THEY DO, KIND OF SCOUT BEGINNING THE TRYING TO SEE WHERE ARE THE CHICKENS.

AND WHERE WOULD COULD TRAPS BE PLACED.

THEY DISCOVERED THAT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET IN THE AREA BEING HIGHLY COMPLAINED ABOUT WAS FEEING.

EVERY DAY.

FEEDING EVERY DAY.

WHEN THE TRUCKS CAME OUT, SHE ASKED THEM, WHAT'S GOING ON?

AND FOUND OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

SHE SAID, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT MY NEIGHBORS WERE SO UPSET.

SHE'S LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY.

>>Daryl: BEEN DOING IT AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ALL THIS TIME?

>> YES.

ONCE SHE WAS MADE AWARE, OF THAT, SHE STOPPED.

AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVEN'T HAD COMPLAINTS IN THAT AREA SINCE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF LACK OF AWARENESS AND THEN ALSO, ONCE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S AFFECTING OTHERS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS THEY MIGHT STOP.

THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE CITY PROMOTES IS DON'T FEED THE CHICKENS.

WE HAVE SIGNS IN PARKS.

SOME OF OUR PARKS.

THAT WE'VE INSTALLED THAT SAYS, KAPIOLANI PARK.

DON'T FEED THE CHICKENS.

>> AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A PICTURE OF A CROWING ROOSTER.

SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY.

>>Daryl: SO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING.

>> CATHY, KAUAI, LIVES IN RESIDENTIAL AREA.

FERAL CHICKEN FOR YEARS.

CAUGHT 200.

HUMANE SOCIETY USED TO HELP GET RID OF THEM.

STOPPED THAT, TOURISTS FEED THEM.

WHAT DO WE DO?

QUESTION FROM JEFFERSON SCHOOL.

HOW DOES THE D.O.E.

WORK WITH PEST CONTROL AGENTS TO GET RID OF CHICKENS ON SCHOOL PROPERTIES SUCH AS JEFFERSON?

REPRESENTATIVE MATAYOSHI, HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT?

YOU MENTIONED SCHOOL PROBLEM.

IS THERE WIDESPREAD ON SCHOOLS AND D.O.E.

GOT A BURDEN HERE TOO?

>> YEAH.

I THINK PARTICULAR PROBLEM AT KAPUNA HALE ELEMENTARY BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

RESIDENCE NEARBY PRETTY MUCH PERFECT HABITAT FOR CHICKENS ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT REALLY ESCALATED, TREE ON THE PROPERTY.

>> LOTS OF FOOD.

REALLY RAISED CHICKEN, POPULATION WENT ACROSS THE STREET AND INTO THE SCHOOL.

>>Daryl: ISSUE?

MAYBE MITCHELL CAN COMMENT ON THAT.

IF PEOPLE HAVE BIG FRUIT TREES, KIND OF PLACE WHERE CHICKENS TEND TO BE ATTRACTED?

IF ANOTHER THE AT THAT TAKING GOOD CAN CARE OF YOUR GROUNDS ALLOW FRUIT TO SIT ON THE GROUNDS?

>> NOT ONLY FRUIT, WHERE THEY ROOST FOR SAFETY.

>>Daryl: LOW TREES, FOLIAGE.

>> YEAH.

MANGO TREES ANY TYPE OF KIND OF SHRUB TREE.

EVEN IF IT'S JUST A BANYAN TREE.

IF IT'S HIGH ENOUGH FOR THEM TO ROOST.

FEEL SAFE.

BUT THE FRUIT TREES IS THE ONE THAT PROVIDE THEM WITH A LOT OF FOOD.

>>Daryl: WHERE DO THEY ROOST?

I'M CONFUSED.

SEE THEM RUNNING AROUND.

>> DO THEY GO AT NIGHT?

>> WELL, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW WHERE THE MANURE IS ON THE GROUND.

FIND THE BIG PILE.

MAYBE ROOSTING SOMEWHERE HIGH.

>>Daryl: SO IF SOMEONE HAS A PRIORITY OWNER GOT A PROBLEM ON THEIR PROPERTY, MAYBE FIRST PLACE THEY SHOULD LOOK IS OWN PROPERTY TO SEE WHAT IS THERE THAT WILL ATTRACT OR SETTLE CHICKENS?

>> ONLY TIME CHICKENS WILL BE ON THE GROUND, WOULD BE WHEN THE HENS SITTING ON EGGS.

GOT TO KEEP IT WARM.

INCUBATE THE EGGS.

OTHER THAN THAT, WOULD BE ROOSTING IN TREES.

>>Daryl: WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPING TREATMENT OR CARE SHOULD GO ON IF YOU WANT TO PREVENT.

>> HAVE SOME TYPE OF SHRUB OR BUSHES CUT THEM 3 FEET FROM THE GROUND.

>> SEE UNDERNEATH.

DON'T GIVE THEM AREA WHERE THEY CAN NEST.

CUT BACK YOUR TREES.

KIND OF PRUNE IT.

>> PRUNE IT.

PICK UP FRUITS ON THE GROUND.

>>Daryl: IF WE WANT TO JUST WALK INTO ANOTHER DANGEROUS AREA, WE PROMISED NOT TO DO FERAL CATS.

>> TOUCH ON THE DISPOSAL PROBLEM.

WE REALLY HAVEN'T ANSWERED THEIR QUESTION ON, WHAT DO I DO WITH IT?

TRAP A CHICKEN.

CITY PROGRAM HAS A DISPOSAL CHICKEN DISPOSAL FEE OF 10 BUCKS A CHICKEN.

>> SUBSIDIZED BY 10 FROM THEM AND 15 THE CITY.

PAYING $25 A CHICKEN.

>>Daryl: REGARDLESS OF SIZE.

>> I'M ASSUMING SO.

>> CORRECTS.

KANEOHE FEED STORY CAN SELL THE CHECK TO THEM THEY WILL PAY YOU TEN DOLLARS TO TAKE THAT CHICKEN.

IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH CAGES IN THERE OR IN A SPACE.

>> WAIT.

>>Daryl: BUSINESS MODEL TO KNOW HO.

>> I THINK SELL IT FOR EATING.

DESCRIBE THAT BUSINESS MODEL TO ME.

>> I THINK THERE IS MARKET OUT THERE CONSUMPTION OF FERAL CHICKENS.

I THINK IT UPSETS PEOPLE PAYING $25 TO GET RID OF A CHICKEN WHEN YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE SELLING IT FOR $10.

ALSO, NOWHERE REALLY TO TAKE IT.

>>Daryl: HUMAN SOCIETY NOT TAKING CHICKENS?

>> CORRECT.

I'M WONDERING IF THE CITY WOULD, INSTEAD, GIVE YOU GRANT MONEY THROUGH THAT SENATE BILL, IF YOU COULD INSTEAD SET OF CHICKEN DISPOSAL SITE PEOPLE COULD BRING CHICKENS TO HUMANELY DISPOSE OF THEM.

A LOT OF RELUCTANCE ON THE PART OF PEOPLE TO KILL THE CHICKEN, SQUEAMISHNESS.

FEAR OF VIOLATING LAW.

EACH ISLAND OR OAHU COUPLE SITES, IF I TRAP THE CHICKEN, SIXTY DOLLARS TRAP ON REASONABLE TRAM ON AMAZON GET THIS CHICKEN, I CAN BRING IT SOMEWHERE WHERE WHERE IT CAN BE DISPOSED OF FOR FREE AND GET RID OF THIS CHICKEN.

>> WOULD HELP A LOT.

GET RID OF THE WHOLE INHUMANE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I WOULD LOVE TO CATCH CHICKENS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM AFTER YOU CATCH THEM RIGHT NOW CITY OFFERS, REPRESENTATIVE MENTIONED, FEE SO IT'S TEN DOLLARS A CHICKEN.

BRING THE CHICKEN.

DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET RID OF IT.

>>Daryl: CITY HALL?

>> NO.

BRING IT TO VENDOR.

OUR VENDOR OFFICE.

>>Daryl: WHO IS YOUR VENDOR.

>> SANDWICH AISLES.

>> BRING IT TO THE OFFICE.

HUMANELY DISPOSE OF THE CHICKEN.

SO IT'S TEN DOLLARS AS YOU MENTIONED.

CITY PAYS $15.

$25 COST.

BUT FOR RESIDENTS WHO FEEL LIKE THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH A LIVE CHICKEN AND GETTING READY OF IT.

IT IS AN OPTION.

AT LEAST WE'RE PROVIDING THAT OPTION.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> WE ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO AT ONE TIME, ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD TAKE CHICKENS AND IF THE COMMUNITY CAUGHT IT, BUT WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN SECURING ANY COMMITMENT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON.

BECAUSE IF THERE ARE OPTIONS LIKE THAT, OF COURSE, PEOPLE WHO CAN READILY CATCH CHICKENS WHO WANT TO BRING IT TO A LOCATION WHERE IT CAN BE DISPOSED OF FREE AND HUMANELY.

THAT MATTERS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

COSTCO CHICKENS FOR ONE DISPOSAL CHICKEN.

>>Daryl: WHOLE THING GETTING MORE INTERESTING.

>> COUPLE QUESTIONS ON HISTORY.

I LIVE IN KONA, FIVE YEARS AGO, HARDLY ANY CHICKENS.

NOW THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?

WHEN DID WE START TALKING ABOUT ERADICATING THEM?

DAVID FROM KONA.

>> LOUD AND NUISANCE.

ILLEGAL ROOSTER FIGHTS.

ONLY REASON TO 50 ROOSTERS ON ACRE.

NEIGHBOR SUFFER FROM THE NOISE.

DIMINISHED PROPERTY VALUES.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH CLOSING ILLEGAL GAMBLING RINGS.

30 YEAR RESIDENT OF MAKAWAO, MY.

ARE THE FERAL CHICKENS ACTUALLY GAME FIGHTING CHICKENS THAT ESCAPED OR WERE SET FREE OR JUST DESCENDED FROM THEM?

WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CHICKENS?

YOU'VE BEEN A HUNTER.

>> BEEN AROUND THESE ANIMALS.

>> YOU'RE A FARMER.

WHERE DO YOU THINK CAME FROM?

>> ALL THE ABOVE.

CHICKEN FARMERS.

>> CHICKEN FIGHTERS.

HOMEOWNERS.

VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

BUT GOING BACK TO THE I THINK QUESTION ABOUT FERAL, LADY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FERAL CHICKENS.

MY MIND WENT BLANK.

>>Daryl: WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LADY FROM KONA.

>>Daryl: WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?

SHE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE FROM FIGHTS.

>> THINK IT WAS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

MY MIND WAS GOING ON THAT.

>> ASKED ME A SEPARATE QUESTION.

>>Daryl: ALL PLACES PEOPLE ARE RAISING CHICKENS.

>> NATURAL LEAKAGE THAT TAKES PLACE.

IF THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.

>> ALL IT TAKES IS ONE.

>> ONE ROOSTER, ONE HEN.

INFLUX OF DOZEN IN SIX MONTHS.

ANOTHER DOZEN OR MULTIPLY THAT BY FOUR NEXT SIX MONTHS.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP FROM CHICKENS TO CATS TO PIGS.

ALL SAME.

UNTIL YOU KIND OF STOP THE FEEDING, THAT'S LIKE THE BLEEDING.

STOP THE BLEEDING.

>> STRICTLY ANECDOTAL.

DIDN'T TAKE CHICKEN DATA.

PUSH FOR PETS FOR COMFORT DURING COVID.

FANCY CHICKENS, FEATHERRY FEET.

NICE LOOKING DIFFERENT.

SO I THINK THOUGH THAT WHEN PEOPLE WENT BACK TO WORK, AND WENT BACK TO SCHOOL, SOME OF THESE PETS WERE SET FREE.

STORY OF AQUARIUM FISH GETS OUT.

BIGGER TOPIC IN HAWAII.

WHICH IMPORT THINGS.

MAYBE FOR PET TRADE OR MAYBE OTHERWISE.

AND IF WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS, LET THEM OUT, HAWAII IS PARADISE FOR PEOPLE AND FOR ANIMALS TOO.

AQUARIUM FISH, SEE THE PARAKEETS ON OAHU FLYING AROUND CAUSING DAMAGE FOR FARMERS AND URBAN HONOLULU.

CHICKENS.

THERE'S OTHER ANIMALS OUT THERE THAT KIND OF AGAIN TO THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE PETS.

>> LOVE PETS.

>> I'M A PET OWNER TOO.

BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH YOUR ANIMALS AND RESPONSIBLE AS A COMMUNITY.

AFFECT ALL OF US WHEN THEY GET OUT.

>>Daryl: MENTIONED WE DO HAVE CHICKEN DEFENDERS CALLING IN.

CHICKENS EAT INSECTS.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT PURPLE POOP MEANS ONE LESS CENTIPEDE ON THE ISLAND.

ANOTHER CALLER FROM KAUAI, I BELIEVE THAT FERAL CATS ARE BIGGER ISSUE THAN FERAL CHICKENS.

AGREED NOT TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT FERAL CATS.

>> DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

>> USED TO CHICKENS AND COEXIST.

>> VISITOR IS NOT SO MUCH.

EVERYBODY HAS THEIR DEFINITION OF IS A PEST.

WE HAVE SOME CHICKEN DEFENDERS.

>> GOOD QUESTION ABOUT REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.

A LARGE GROUP OF FERAL CHICKENS LIVING ON EMPTY PROPERTY MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOUSE TORN DOWN, WAKE EVERY DAY AT 2:00 A.M. DWIGHT IN KAPAHULU.

SOUNDS LIKE FALLS RIGHT IN THE GAP ALL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

>> NUISANCE AND NOISE LAW.

WE DIRECT THEM TO CALL HPD.

>> BOILS DOWN TO PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE LIKE VACANT LOT, THE PROPERTY OWNER STILL REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY.

AND IF IT'S VEGETATION OR ANIMAL, THAT WOULD BE THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

>>Daryl: WOULD THAT BE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT?

WHICH DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY WOULD CALL TO SAY, THERE'S A COMPLETELY ABANDON LOT?

>> I CAN SHARE WITH SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH YOUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

SOMETIMES VECTOR CONTROL PROGRAM ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S RATS, HAWAII HAS HAD PLAGUE, SO WE'RE SENSITIZED TO RATS AND RODENTS.

WE COME ACROSS THIS PROBLEM OF EITHER COMPLETELY DELAPIDATED HOUSE OR UNMAINTAINED PROPERTY.

CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU, DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING DOES HAVE A CODE COMPLIANCE PROGRAM.

THEY'RE VERY GOOD.

AND WE WORK OFTENTIMES IN TANDEM.

SOMETIMES HARDEST ONES IS TRACKING DOWN OWNER THAT YOU JUST CAN'T FIND ANY MORE.

AND GENERATIONALLY, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISE.

HAPPENS MORE THAN YOU WOULD THINK.

WHERE MAYBE THE RESIDENT PASSED AWAY.

AND UNCLEAR.

SOME OF THE OWNERSHIP.

IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THERE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE WE CAN'T JUST COME ON TO THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING HAS WORKED VERY WELL WITH US IN THE PAST.

WE TRY TO COOPERATE ON THAT.

>>Daryl: JUST TO LAYER ON TOP OF THAT.

>> WHAT RECOURSE OR HELP TO DEN ATTENDANTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY HAVE WHEN THE CHICKENS ARE POOPING EVERYWHERE BUT BUILDING MANAGEMENT WON'T ACT.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CONDO ASSOCIATION.

I CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT FROM AN ATTORNEY PERSPECTIVE.

ISN'T REALLY MY REPRESENTATIVE HAT I MEAN, IF YOU ARE PART OF AN ASSOCIATION, YOU SHOULD BE CHECKING YOUR DECLARATION BYLAWS GOING, TO THE BOARD MEETINGS IF THAT'S THE CASE.

IF THE COMMON AREAS ARE NOT BEING ADEQUATELY MAINTAINED, BY THE ASSOCIATION NORMALLY THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE COMMON AREAS.

>> SOUNDS LIKE CHICKEN POOP AREA NOT BEING CLEANED UP.

PRESS WITH THE BOARD.

>>Daryl: VIDEO OF TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX, CHICKENS RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

AND I KNOW THAT IN MY HOUSE, ASSOCIATION GOT A NOTICE, NOT US PERSONALLY WE WEREN'T DOING THIS, SAYING FEEDING FERAL CHICKENS IS A VIOLATION OF THE BYLAWS OF THIS CONDO ASSOCIATION.

YOU CAN BE FINED.

CONDO ASSOCIATION GETS ON YOU, ONE OF THE MORE EFFECTIVE PROSECUTORS AND ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ONCE THEY GET THEIR MIND MADE UP.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IS IT ILLEGAL FOR A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW MORE THAN COUPLE OF CHICKENS TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY?

KIM, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT?

>> THERE IS A TWO CHICKEN LIMIT.

>>Daryl: TWO CHICKEN LIMIT.

CAN I USE THAT AGAINST MY ASSOCIATION, FOR EXAMPLE?

>> CHECK THE BYLAWS.

IT'S IN THE BYLAWS.

OWN RESIDENTIAL.

ASSOCIATION DIFFERENT.

>> FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

>> I THINK MAINTAINING VERSUS FERAL ANIMAL MAY PLAY A DIFFERENT ROLE.

IF I KEEP A COOP WITH MY TWO CHICKENS.

CHICKENS HAVE WINGS.

HOW DO I MANAGE THAT?

>>Daryl: IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE TWO CHICKENS.

CHICKENS COMING ON YOUR PROPERTY, IS IT ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO ALLOW CHICKENS TO CONGREGATE ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE NOT YOURS?

>> YOU DON'T EVEN THEM.

FEED THEM ON THE PROPERTY.

>> SPREAD A BUNCH OF FEED ON YOUR PROPERTY.

PROLIFERATE CROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND POOP ON EVERYONE ELSE'S CARS.

>> THAT COULD HAPPEN.

>>Daryl: QUESTION FROM SHEILA PRONOUNCED FROM MAUI.

CATS ARE INTIMIDATED BY THE CHICKENS THAT MOVE THROUGH OUR YARD.

DETERRENTS TO KEEP THEM EATING OUR CAT FOOD?

MITCHELL, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THAT PERSON SHOULD DO?

>> GET BIGGER CATS.

>>Daryl: MY GO TO GUY ON THIS.

NO ONE ELSE CAN ANSWER.

BIGGER CATS.

>> NO.

I MEAN, BRING IN A PIG.

>> THEY'RE MORE AGGRESSIVE.

I REMEMBER THE QUESTION ABOUT ERADICATION.

NEVER HEARD OF ERADICATION.

FOR ALL FERAL ANIMALS, THEY SAY ERADICATE.

NEVER ERADICATE.

THE WORD IS CONTROL.

ALL YOU CAN DO CONTROL THE POPULATION.

>> NEVER ERADICATED IT BECAUSE NEVER CAN GET TO THAT ONE CHICKEN OR ONE ROOSTER GOING TO BE TO BE THE NEXT BUCKET OF WATER.

REFILLING IT, FILLING IT.

>>Daryl: ONE OF THE QUESTIONS CAME IN.

I THINK IT'S SIMILAR HERE.

CHICKENS OR CATS, COME UP STRATEGS TO TO GET RID OF THEM, NOT IN FAVOR OF HARM.

NOT THEIR FAULT.

PUT IN THE SITUATION.

I UNDERSTANDING GETTING RID OF THEM IN HOME HUMAN WAY.

ONE CALLER SAID, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU CAN'T TALK PEOPLE OUT OF TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS THAT THEY LIKE.

DIDN'T KNOW HOW PERENNIAL THIS PROBLEM COULD BE.

HOW CAN YOU ENFORCE A FEEDING BAN?

>> IF PEOPLE KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL ENFORCING FINE, NOT ON EVERY SINGLE PERSON WE CATCH, BECOMES KNOWN THAT YOU COULD GET HAD WITH A $500 FINE, FEEDING THESE FERAL CHICKENS OR FERAL ANYTHING.

>> WORD GETS AROUND PRETTY QUICK.

>> CRACK DOWN I MEAN, MY BILL IN THE PAST.

ISN'T A THING YET.

GET SOME STRONG ENFORCEMENT.

CAN DETER GREATLY DETER PEOPLE FROM FEEDING FERAL ANIMALS.

>>Daryl: KIM, WITH THE CITY, IS IT LEGAL TO TRAP OR CATCH CHICKEN ON PUBLIC PROPERTY?

GO TO BLAISDELL ARENA.

>> CHICKEN RUNNING.

CAN I GRAB THAT CHICKEN.

>> >> ACTUALLY NEVER HAD MEMBERS COMMUNITY WANT TO COME ON CITY PROPERTY TO CATCH CHICKENS.

>> NOT HEARD OF THAT.

>> PARK NEXT TO PEOPLE AS HOUSES.

>> I GET ASKED THAT ALL THE TIME.

>> NOT WHERE WE'VE BEEN ASKED.

FIRST.

>>Daryl: FIRST IMPRESSION.

>> WERE TO OCCUR PUBLIC COME ON CITY PROPERTY TO CATCH CHICKENS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY STOP DOING THAT.

BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE REDUCING THE NUMBER ON CITY PROPERTY, OR ANY PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING CITY WOULD BE AGAINST.

>>Daryl: I'M WONDERING, ANOTHER QUESTION, ON BIG ISLAND, HENS ARE DROPPED OFF PLACES LIKE THE POST OFFICE BY PEOPLE RAISING FIGHTING CHICKENS WHO DON'T WANT FEMALES.

WOULDN'T CRACKING DOWN ON COCKFIGHTING HELP THIS FERAL CHICKEN ISSUE, COCKFIGHTING IS ALREADY ILLEGAL.

IS THAT MAYBE HOW THINGS ARE SPREADING OUT TOO?

DON'T LIKE THE CHICKS.

DON'T LIKE THE HENS MAYBE PEOPLE ARE DUMPING THEM.

>>COCKFIGHTING CULTURE OVER 100 YEARS, STUFF LIKE THAT.

ANY COCKFIGHTER GOING TO SHIP THEIR CHICKENS IN.

IT'S LIKE HUNTERS.

TAKE REAL GOOD CARE OF THEIR ANIMALS.

>> SIMILAR WITH THE CHICKENS.

NOT GOING TO THROW THEIR PRIZED CHICKEN INTO THE FIELD.

BUT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.

IF THEY'RE BREEDING AND THAT'S NOT THE ONE THEY LIKE.

I THINK THEY'LL JUST PUT THEM IN THE GARBAGE.

>> TOSS THEM.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY DISPOSED OF HUMANELY?

ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS PEOPLE RAISING FIGHTING CHICKENS.

STARTING TO BECOME A PATTERN.

PROGRAM EDUCATE THE PUBLIC NOT TO FEED FERAL CHICKENS WILL PROBABLY BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE "DO NOT FEED THE FERAL CATS" PROGRAM.

NEEDS TO BE A HUNTING PROGRAM FOR BOTH.

OKAY.

>> SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT TEN MINUTES LEFT.

AND ANYBODY HERE EVER HEARD OF SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THAT ACTUALLY SOLVED THIS PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE?

SO UNIQUE, WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WITH THIS PROBLEM?

>> LOOKED INTO IT.

WE CHECKED OUT OTHER STATES TO SEE WHETHER ANYONE EVER DEALT WITH THIS PROBLEM.

WHETHER THEY DEALT WITH SUCCESSFULLY.

SOMETHING WE COULD COPY.

TURNS OUT WE'RE PRETTY UNIQUE.

ANOTHER CASE FIRST IMPRESSION, NOT ONLY THAT, CHICKENS ARE KIND OF UNIQUE TOO.

BREED ACROSS BREED OF POLYNESIAN CHICKEN WITH KIND OF MAINLAND CHICKENS.

I GUESS JUST SMARTER THAN NORMAL CHICKENS.

I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD OF IT.

>>Daryl: DON'T HAVE THE WINTER COMING IN.

>> NO WINTER AND NO NATURAL NOT A LOT OF NATURAL PREDATORS.

I STILL THINK THAT ONLY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM I COULD POSSIBLY SEE CHICKEN BOUNTY PROGRAM.

PAYING PEOPLE TO CATCH CHICKENS TAKE THEM TO SOME SITE KNOW LEGALLY AND HUMANELY DISPOSE OF THE CHICKENS.

THAT IS KIND OF ONLY WAY OUT OF THIS.

>>Daryl: MISSED CROSSOVER AT THE LEGISLATURE.

COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST RATE IN MATTHEW WHEELHOUSE.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.

DO FERAL CHICKENS CARRY ZOONOTIC DISEASES SPREAD TO OTHER NATIVE SPECIES OR HUMANS.

DANGER COMING INTO CONTACT WITH DROPPINGS ON YOUR PROPERTY?

WHAT IS THE SCIENCE THERE.

>> TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISEASES PATHWAYS.

ZOONOTIC DISEASES CARRIED BY ANIMALS THAT CAN SPREAD TO HUMANS.

THAT COULD BE ALL KIND OF DISEASES.

EXPOSURE TO DROPPINGS ALL KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH SALMONELLA.

CLEAN POULTRY KITCHENS, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SHORT ANSWER IS WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN HAWAII WHAT I SAY, IN ORDER TO HAVE SPREADS OF ZOONOTIC DISEASES OR VECTOR BORN DISEASES NEED TO HAVE BOTH THE VECTOR COULD BE THE CHICKEN OR THE FLEA OR THE MOSQUITO AND ALSO THE DISEASE.

WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB HISTORICALLY IN HAWAII WITH A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS OF KEY KEEPING OUT DISEASE.

WHAT THE VECTOR PROGRAM FOR DISEASE COMES, FIND OUT BECAUSE SOMEONE DIAGNOSED.

WE GO AND CANVAS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ELIMINATE ANY POTENTIAL SPREAD.

SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY?

ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY.

WHY WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT.

>> WHY WE EXIST PRIMARILY, ALSO WHY WE'RE NOT ANIMAL CATCHERS.

REALISTICALLY, KIND OF TWO PRIORITIES.

DEPARTMENTAL PRIORITIES.

HIGHLY VISIBLE, RISK OF SPREAD SOME TYPE OF CHICKEN BORNE DISEASE IN HAWAII IS FAR LESS THAN SOME TYPE VIRUS, CHICKEN ZIKA, HIGHER PRECEDENTED CHICKEN PROGRAMS.

THIS IDEA YOU HAVE TO COME AT IT MULTIPRONGED, WHICH IS I DO WANT TO SAY BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL OR OTHERWISE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS IS IT LEGAL TO KILL THE ANIMALS.

I DO THINK THAT EDUCATION IS NOT A SILVER BULLET, IS BIG PART OF THE SOLUTION.

IF PEOPLE DO KNOW THAT'S NOT OKAY TO FEED AND HARBOR THESE ANIMALS, THEN CONTROL BECOMES MORE REALISTIC.

>> BECAUSE NOT BAILING IN THE OCEAN ANY MORE.

YOU'RE MAYBE STAYING IN FRONT OF IT A LITTLE BIT.

REPRESENT MATAYOSHI AND MITCHELL AND DIRECTOR'S POINT, NOT LIKE ONE EASY SOLUTION.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY COMPOSITE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> TOOLS THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE YET.

>>Daryl: CALLER FROM FOSTER VILLAGE PEOPLE NEED STOP FEEDING WILD ANIMALS.

BIRDS CATS AND CHICKENS.

>> FEEDING ANY OF THEM INCREASES NUMBER OF ALL OF THESE NUISANCES.

VICIOUS CYCLE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THE SHOW.

THINGS ALL TIED TOGETHER.

>> YES, THEY ARE.

>> WE AGREE FULLY.

>> AS A SOLUTION, ONE MAYBE SOLUTION.

USE OUR LOCAL HUNTERS.

>> GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT THERE, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE HUNTING LICENSE.

HAVE THEIR BEEN SKILLED IN HUNTING LARGER ANIMALS.

BUT AND OTHER THING FOR HUNTERS, DON'T WASTE.

>> WE DON'T JUST KILL JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT.

THEY TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE.

EAT WHAT THEY HAVE.

AND A LOT OF IT JUST DON'T GO TO THE TRASH.

I'M TALKING ABOUT GOOD HUNTERS.

OTHER ONES, SO I'M THINKING, OPEN IT UP TO THE PEOPLE THAT IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

>> THAT THEY DO IT.

I MEAN, IT'S FREE.

IF YOU WAS TO DONATE TO I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IT IS OR WHATEVER, TO THEIR CLUB OR WHATEVER, THEIR GROUP, GREAT.

IF NOT, THEY'LL STILL TAKE THE CHICKEN SIMILAR WITH THE PIGS.

>>Daryl: IDEA POPULATIONS ARE TIED TOGETHER BY THE FEEDING TIED TOGETHER BY PUBLIC ATTITUDES TO CERTAIN EXTENT TOWARDS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS AND SO ON.

DO YOU FOLKS HAVE A FERAL CAT PROGRAM AS WELL AS FERAL CHICKEN PROGRAM.

>> ANY WILL TO PUT TAXPAYOR MONEY INTO THOSE PROGRAMS?

>> FERAL CAT PROGRAM.

>> THROUGH THE HAWAIIAN HUMANE SOCIETY, WHICH CITY CONTRACTS WITH, TRAP, NEUTER AND RETURN PROGRAM.

SO THESE ARE CAT, ESTABLISHED CAT COLONIES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY CAN BRING IN CATS, HAVE THEM SPAYED, OR NEUTERED AND THEN BUT THEY MUST RETURN BACK TO THE COLONY.

SO HUMANE SOCIETY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HOUSE THESE CATS.

SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO JUST CONTINUE TO TAKE IN CATS.

THAT PROGRAM ACTUALLY HELPS TO REDUCE THE CAT POPULATION OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

SO IF A CAT CAN LIVE TEN YEARS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT IN THE HOUSE.

SO LIFE SPAN IS GOING TO BE SHORTER.

AT LEAST NOT REPRODUCING.

SOMETHING THAT IS HELPING.

COMMUNITY.

AND YES, CITY DOES SUPPORT A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.

BUT IF I CAN JUST MENTION TOO, WHAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT IN THE FEEDING COME UP A LOT TONIGHT.

REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO FEED, NO MATTER WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, PUBLIC PROPERTY, THE CHICKENS WILL CONTINUE TO COME BACK.

AND BUT ALSO, WHAT THE CITY UNDERSTANDS IS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

SO WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO IS REALLY PROVIDE AN OPTION.

MAY BE SOME PEOPLE THAT AREN'T WILLING TO CATCH THEIR OWN CHICKENS AND BRING THEM SOMEWHERE FOR FREE DISPOSAL.

IN THAT CASE, AT LEAST WE HAVE A PROGRAM THEY CAN HIRE.

>>Daryl: LET ME WRAP IT UP.

GOT ABOUT ONLY ABOUT A MINUTE.

MINUTE AND A HALF TO GO.

REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT MATAYOSHI, YOU'RE THE POLITICIAN IN OUR GROUP.

HOW WOULD YOU PERSUADE SOMEONE TO STOP FEEDING ANIMALS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?

WHAT IS THE APPROACH PEOPLE CAN USE THAT MAYBE NOT THREATENING, GIVE US SOME WORDS THAT WE CAN USE.

>> OTHER THAN A FINE.

SOCIAL PRESSURE IS HUGE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO IRRITATE NEIGHBORS AND SEEN AS THE BAD GUY OF NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IF YOU SEE SOMEONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDING ECONOMIC IN THE SAFER WAY PARKING LOT, FEEDING CHICKEN SAFEWAY PARKING LOT, WHOLE FOODS ON PROPERTY.

INCUMBENT UPON TO US SAY SOMETHING.

IF YOU KNOW THE PERSON, HEY, I KNOW YOU LIKE THE CHICKENS.

>> YOU FEEL GOOD FEEDING, A LOT A LOT OF GUYS ARE HAVING PROBLEMS.

WOULD YOU PLEASE NOT DO THAT?

SOCIAL PRESSURE IS GOING TO BE HUGE IN STOPPING PEOPLE FROM FEEDING FERAL CHICKENS.

>>Daryl: ACTUALLY NEW IDEA.

I WAS JUST WATCHING INSIGHTS OTHER NIGHT.

SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT ANY MORE.

I MEAN, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WOULD YOU.

>> MITCHELL SAY YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME.

GET IT RIGHT, HOW WOULD YOU PERSUADE A NEIGHBOR?

>> DEPENDS ON WHAT AREA AGAIN.

WHAT REPRESENTATIVE WAS TALKING ABOUT, SCHOOL ISSUE.

YOU COULD SAY THAT NEIGHBOR WAS ONE FEEDING THEM, SAY THAT COULD INJURY THE KIDS.

CHICKENS DIG RUTS.

KIDS RUNNING AROUND.

SPRAIN THEIR ANKLE BREAK THEIR ARM.

MAYBE COMMUNITY.

THAT WILL HELP.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING INTO HAVE DIFFERENT.

>> MENTALLY.

THAT COULD BE THEIR KITTEN.

THEY WAY THEY FEED CHICKENS, PET OR KIDS.

HARD.

REAL FINE LINE THAT YOU WALK.

>>Daryl: FOLKS, THANKS VERY MUCH TO ALL OF YOU GUYS FOR JOINING US.

THANKS TO YOU FOLKS AT HOME FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

WE THANK OUR GUESTS.

REPRESENTATIVE SCOT MATAYOSHI, MATTHEW KURANO FROM THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, KIM HASHIRO FROM THE CITY’S CUSTOMER SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND, ANIMAL CONTROL BUSINESS OWNER MITCHELL TYNANES.

NEXT WEEK, DO YOU HAVE HURRICANE INSURANCE?

FOR SOME CONDOMINIUMS, THIS HAS BECAME A MAJOR ISSUE THAT COULD AFFECT FOLKS LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL A CONDO IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT’S THE PROBLEM AND WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I.

ALOHA!