>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE LOOK AT GOVERNOR HOBBS' PRESS SECRETARY OF STATE RESIGNING AT HOSTING A CONTROVERSIAL TWEET.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, WE HAVE CAMRY SANCHEZ AND JIM SMALL.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND CAMRYN AND WE START WITH THE GOVERNOR, HER SPOKESPERSON OUT.

>> YES, JOSYLN BERRY AND IT WAS A GIFT OF A WOMAN HOLDING TWO GUNS AND US WHEN WE SEE TRANSPHOBES, AND IT WASN'T IN RELATION TO THE SHOOTING AND IT CAME OUT WITH REPUBLICANS AS THREATENING AND VIOLENT AND NOT IN GOOD TASTE.

>> WE HAVE CRITICIZED OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE PUT UP A SHOT OF A DEMOCRAT AND CROSS HEIR LIKE THEY'RE IN A RIFLE SITE.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LINE YOU DON'T CROSS.

YOU COULD HAVE MADE THE SAME COMMENT ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT TRANSPHOBES WITHOUT SUGGESTING VIOLENCE AND WHETHER SHE WAS SUGGESTING VIOLENCE OR NOT, THERE'S A LINE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN POLITICS UNDERSTANDS.

>> Ted: JIM, REGARDLESS OF THE TASTE OF THE TWEET, IT HAPPENS SO SOON AFTER THE SHOOTING IN NASHVILLE, WHICH WAS HEARTBREAKING.

I MEAN, THIS IS TONE DEAF TO THE RING OF A BELL HERE.

>> THIS IS DEFINITELY INVOKING THE IDEA OF A COLD VIOLENCE OR WHETHER IT'S SERIOUS OR TONGUE AND CHEEK AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY RECEIVED -- EVEN IF IT'S MEANT AS A JOKE AND NOT RECEIVED AS A JOKE AND FOR UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS AND BAD TASTE.

IN A LOT OF WAYS, I THINK THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION ACTED QUICKLY.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE OF GETTING HER OUT.

>> Ted: ANY IDEA WHY SHE TWEETED THIS?

>> PART OF A DISCUSSION, REALLY, ABOUT THE IDEA OF TRANSPHOBIC PEOPLE, IF PARTICULAR, ON THE LEFT, AND THAT WAS THE RESPONSE, HOW THERE ARE POLICIES SUPPORTED OR NOT SUPPORTED BY SOME AUS AUS TENSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND AT THOSE PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR.

>> THEY MADE IT A ONE-DAY STORY LIKE THE THE INAUGURALLABLE FUNDS.

>> Ted: DID ANYBODY DEMOCRAT RUSH TO HER DEFENSE?

>> PEOPLE STATED CLEAR OF THAT.

WORST TIMING.

>> Ted: SO SHE GOES AHEAD SUFFICIENTLY QUICK?

>> THE GOVERNOR'S ACTIONS?

YOU BET.

IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE GOT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF HER RESIGNATION AND WE PUSH INTERESTED PUSHED AND NO, THE GOVERNOR ASKED FOR HER RESIGNATION AND NO, JOSYLN, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE.

THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE OTHER STUFF I'M TRYING TO DO.

>> Ted: SPEAKING OF SUFFICIENT TRYING, LOOKING AT LIZ HARRIS.

FIRST OF ALL, WHY ARE THEY LOOKING AT HER AND WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO GET TO THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE HEARING?

>> IF WE GO BACK FIVE WEEKS, WE HAVE THAT REALLY BONKERS HOUSE AND SENATE JOINT ELECTION'S COMMITTEE AND EIGHT OR NINE HOUSE TESTIMONY ABOUT CONSPIRACIES AND IDEAS WHICH MISSED THE POINT IN ARIZONA AND A MISUNDERSTAND OF HOW ARIZONA LAW WORKS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, A WOMAN GOT UP THERE AND TESTIFIED ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY OUT THERE CONSPIRACY IDEA THAT THE DRUG CARTEL WORKING WITH THE LVS CHURCH AND MESA POLICE AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO LAUNDER MONEY THROUGH BY FRAUDULENTLY CREATING DEEDS ON PROPERTIES AND IT WAS THIS TANGLED WEB.

AND ESSENTIALLY, SHE STOOD UP THERE AND SAID LAWMAKERS ARE INVOLVED INCLUDING THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND GOVERNOR HOBBS AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SENATE REPUBLICANS WENT, WHOA, WHAT ARE WE LISTENING TO?

THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE AND THEY SHUT IT DOWN.

IT BEGGED THE QUESTION OF HOW DID THIS HAPPEN AND GET TO THIS POINT?

THE ENTIRE HEARING WAS ORCHESTRATED AND THE AGENDA WAS SET BY REPRESENTATIVE LIST LIZ HARRIS WHO HAS BEEN AT THE GROUND LEVEL OF ALL OF THE ELECTION CONSPIRACY HEARINGS SINCE 2020.

SO DEMOCRATS FILED AN ETHIC'S COMPLAINT AND SAID IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO HELP THIS TESTIMONY GET AIRED OR BRING IT TO THE CAPITOL WHERE PEOPLE WERE OSTENSIBLY DEFAMED.

>> AND WHEN DID SHE KNOW IT.

LIZ HARRIS SAID I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS INSURANCE AGENT WOULD TALK ABOUT.

WELL, THEY CAME UP WITH TEXTS AND HOW LONG TEXTS LIVE OUT THERE THAT SHOWED SHE WAS NOT ONLY AWARE OF IT, TOLD THIS PERSON, DON'T PUT AN ELECTRONIC THING TOGETHER AND BRING A BOX BECAUSE I HAVE TO SHARE IT AND CLEARLY HAD FACILITATED THE WHOLE TESTIMONY.

AND KNOWING THAT, IN FACT, THE HOUSE SPEAKER IS SOMEHOW IN BED WITH THE CARTEL AND LETTING IT GO FORWARD.

AND THAT'S THE ETHICAL ISSUE.

THE ETHICAL ISSUE IS DISORDERLY CONTACT, BRINGING DISREPUTE ON OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE.

>> Ted: THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WERE THEY BUYING THIS IDEA THAT THIS WOMAN WOULD BRING THIS?

>> WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD DO YET AND IT'S CHAPLICK AND HE IS THE REPUBLICAN AND HAVE BEEN ON BILLS IN THE PAST.

THE COMMITTEE ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TEETH.

THEY SORT OF HAVE A MEETING OR TWO AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OFTEN AFTER MEETING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO THE FULL CHAMBER AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE ACTION IF THEY WANT TO AND RARELY DO.

THE ACTION CAN BE A CENSURE WHICH DOESN'T ARGUABLY HAVE TEETH.

SO IN TERMS OF PENALTIES, IT COULD BE A SLAP ON THE WRIST OR NOTHING AT THIS POINT.

THE TEXT MESSAGES WERE DEFINITELY PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND THERE WAS A TEXT FROM HARRIS SAYING GOOD JOB.

I KNEW THEY WOULD SHUT IT DOWN EVENTUALLY.

>> THIS COMMITTEE COULD SAY WE SEE NO VIOLATION HERE AND NOT EVEN ADVANCE IT TO THE FULL HOUSE.

>> Ted: I WOULD ASK YOU, WHY HAS IT BEEN DELAYED OR WHAT MORE DO YOU HAVE TO KNOW BESIDES THREE RIDICULOUS CLAIMS.

>> THERE'SCLAIMS?

>> I THINK THE COMPLAINT WAS FILED A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THE HEARING AND DEMOCRATS WERE CERTAINLY GIVING THE REPUBLICANS A CHANCE TO ACT ON THEIR OWN OR MAYBE MOVE FOR A FORMAL CENSURE AND TRIED TO CENSURE HER ON THE FLOOR.

AND THEY WOULD FILE AN END ETHICS COMPLAINT AND IT NEEDED TO BE DELIVERED TO HARRIS AND SHE WAS AFFORDED A CHANCE AND RESPONDED IN WRITING.

AND SAID THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS THIS AND I'M OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.

>> THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I'VE HEARD OF AND THAT'S LIKE SAYING, WELL, WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION OBLIGATION TO HEAR OUT OUR CONSTITUENTS -- >> Ted: IF THEY SAY, CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE EVERYTHING FROM A CHILD MURDERER TO WHATEVER YOU ARE, WHAT, YOU JUST ALLOW?

>> IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT LIZ HARRIS IS HER OBLIGATION AS A LAWMAKER TO LISTEN TO AND GIVE VOICE TO AND GIVE AN AUDIENCE TO THESE THEORIES, THEN THAT IS THE RABBIT HOLE.

I DON'T THINK THE COMMITTEE WILL BUY THAT.

>> YOU KNOW THAT'S A DISINGENUOUS ARGUMENT IF YOU WATCHED THE ELECTION'S COMMITTEE AT ALL THIS YEAR.

WHEN CRITICS HAVE GOTTEN UP THERE AND HAVE RAILED AGAINST THESE REPUBLICAN BILLS THAT ARE BASED ON THESE IDEAS THAT THE ELECTION SYSTEMS ARE FRAUDULENT AND THERE'S A MASSIVE FRAUD GOING ON.

THE CONSPIRACY THEORY, THEY HAVE BANNED ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR FROM TESTIFYING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO LET ANYONE SAY ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, SHE'S BEEN SILENT ON THAT ASPECT.

BUT WITH THIS HEARING SHE'S ORGANIZED AND FACING A CONSEQUENCE, SHE HAS TO SHIELD HERSELF FROM THE CONSTITUTION.

>> Ted: HOW MUCH IS A FACTOR THAT THEY NEED HER VOTE, REPUBLICANS NEED HER ON THEIR SIDE?

SHE'S PART OF THE TEAM AND PART OF THE TRIBE AND YET, HOW MUCH CAN YOU PUNISH HER WITHOUT SAYING, WELL, IN THAT CASE, X, Y AND Z?

>> REPUBLICANS AREN'T BRINGING THAT UP, BUT DEMOCRATS ARE?

>> WHAT WILL THEY DO, OSTRACIZE WHAT THEY NEED?

>> IF THEY REMOVE HER, WHAT THEY DID DO DON A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THEY HAVE TO APPOINT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN?

IF THEY WANT TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE POLITICAL DEATH PENALTY AND APPOINT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN AND PERHAPS ONE NOT SO FAR OFF THE RADAR.

I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT HAPPENING.

IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK.

>> Ted: YOU'RE TALKING THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND THE LDS CHURCH AND TAKING BRIBES FROM DRUG CARTELS?

HOW LOW HAVE WE GONE?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THEY PROVIDED THIS DOSIER THEY SAID WAS EVIDENCE?

IT'S KATHLEEN HOB HOBBS AND CATHY HOBBS.

YOU HAVE FRAUD GOING ON BECAUSE OF TWO PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR NAMES OWN PROPERTY IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

THIS STEMS FROM THE WOMAN WHO TESTIFIED, HER BOYFRIEND IS AN ATTORNEY AND HE'S IN A CUSTODY DISPUTE WITH HIS EXWIFE.

THIS IS OUT OF A NASTY DIVORCE AND CUSTODY DISPUTE OVER A YOUNG BOY.

THIS WHOLE THING HAS SPRUNG OUT OF THAT AND TAKING ON A LIFE OF IT OWN.

PUTTING IT OUT THERE, THIS TURNED INTO A FIRE STORM IN THE RIGHT-WINGED MEDIA EGO-SPHERE AND THEY'RE RIGGING THE ELECTION AND THERE'S NOTHING TO IT.

IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BUNK.

>> I'M GETTING EMAILS ABOUT CARTEL KATIE AND FONTES AND A LOT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

LAUREN HENDRIX AND HANDING OUT T-SHIRTS AND THERE'S SOME TONGUE AND CHEEK GOING ON.

>> Ted: LET MOVE ON HERE AND THE GOVERNOR SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS FOOD TAX IDEA IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND THEY SENT IT TO HER AND SHE VETOED IT.

>> SHOCKING AND READ MY LIPS, NO NEW FOOD TAX.

[ Laughter ] >> IT'S CLEAR THAT FOOD TAX DOES HIT CERTAIN PEOPLE AND $160 A YEAR AND IT DOESN'T HURT THE VERY POOR BECAUSE ANYBODY IS GETTING FOOD STAMPS DOESN'T PAY IT AND THE CITIES SAY WE NEED THE PAWN AND IF WE DON'T TAX IT HERE, WE'LL TAX IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, PERHAPS IN A PROPERTY TAX.

THE GOVERNOR SAID, WHY WOULD WE UNDERMINE THAT.

THE OTHER THING, THEY SORT OF HURT THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF SAYING, WE WANT IMMEDIATE RELIEF AND THE BILL SAID IT WILL BE IN JULY OF 2025 AND WHY AM I FORCED TO SIGN THAT NOW?

SO THEY GAVE HER A SOFT PLACE TO LAND.

>> Ted: THEY WERE MOVING MONEY AROUND, BASICALLY, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THIS, YOU'LL INCREASE PROPERTY TAXES AND CITY SERVICES MIGHT GET CUT AND YOU FIND WAYS TO DO THAT.

THIS IS BASICALLY FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO SAY, LOOK, SHE VETOED THIS FOOD TAX AND LOOK AT THIS.

>> ONE OF MANY BILLS SENT TO THE GOVERNOR FOR A CERTAIN VETO WITH THE IDEA THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO HANG IT AROUND KATIE HOBBS' NEXT AND LOOK WHAT SHE DID.

AND THIS IS POPULAR AND VETOED.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK IT WILL WORK?

>> YES.

IT'S GREAT HEADLINES, KATIE HOBBS TAKING MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND MAKING IT HARDER TO FEED YOUR KIDS.

THAT'S GOLD.

>> THE HOUSE SENT A BILL ON WHAT THEY CALL LIVE BIRTHS, WHICH REALLY ISN'T WHAT THE BILL IS ABOUT AND THE CARE PROVIDED.

IF A BABY IS BORN ALIVE, WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL SURVIVE.

AND SHE SAID I'LL VETO THAT.

OH, LOOK, FOR INFANTICIDE AND NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BILL SAID.

NUMBER TWO, SO MUCH MORE COMPLEX IN MAKING PRISON TIME FOR DOCTORS IF THEY ERR ON THE ORANGEWRONGSIDE.

>> I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS WRITTEN THAT AND WAITING TO HIT SEND.

>> Ted: PUBLIC CAMPING FOR THE UNHOUSED AND SHE SAID TO, NO IT'S NOT A MEANINGFUL WAY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION TO VACCINE.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT -- WAS THERE EVER A CHANCE SHE WOULD CONSIDER THESE?

>> I THINK THERE ARE DEFINITELY, IN SOME AREAS, POLICIES SHE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED AND LOOK AT THE HOUSING CRISIS AND OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM AND THERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS OUT THERE AND THIS IS ONE THAT, THINK, THEY SIGNALED EARLIER ON AND INTERESTED IN THIS ONE AND I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE.

YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T YET BEEN ABLE TO FIND AN ACCORD ON HOW IT GRAPPLES WITH THIS HOUSING STUFF.

I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT -- THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN CLEAR THAT BILLS THAT COME TO HER THAT DO NOT HAVE BROAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT ARE LIKELY TO GET VETOED AND ALL BILLS, SO FAR, HAVE FIT INTO THAT CAMP.

>> THERE'S THE OTHER PIECE WITH THIS JOHN CAVANAGH BILL, YOU CANNOT PUT A TENT ON A SIDEWALK OR RIGHT-OF-WAY, IN AN ALLEY.

YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SYMPTOM HERE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE BILLS DEAL WITH AFFORDABILITY AND HOMELESSNESS AND THE ZONE IF DOWNTOWN PHOENIX AND THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FLEE ON THE TAIL OF THE DOGS SAYING YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR TENTS HERE.

>> Ted: 20 VETOES AND COUNTING.

>> BREAKING RECORDS.

>> Ted: AND MORE TO COME?

>> ABSOLUTELY, SHE'S JUST FLEXING RIGHT NOW AND SO MANY PARTISAN BILLS THAT WENT THREW THETHROUGHTHE LEGISLATURE EN ROUTE TO HER OFFICE.

>> Ted: THERE WAS RELIEF OF MOBILE HOME AND SOLD AND HAVE TO GET OUT AND WHAT, THEY GET A LITTLE BIT OF HELP?

>> SOME HELP AND THAT WAS NOT A PARTISAN BILL AND DEMOCRAT SUPPORT AND IT WAS A REPUBLICAN AND WHO ACTUALLY LIVED IN A MOBILE HOME.

AND IT WAS FILED BEFORE THE PHOENIX SITUATION BECAME A HEADLINE AND HE PUT AN EMERGENCY CLAUSE ON IT AND GOES INTO EFFECT NOW TO HELP WITH THOSE MOBILE HOME PARKS AND IT'S ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO EITHER HAVE TO MOVE THEIR MOBILE HOME OR WHO HAVE TO ABANDON IT AND CAN'T AND THEY GET EXTRA CASH.

>> Ted: TO YOUR POINT IF IT'S A BIPARTISAN BILL, SHE WILL CONSIDER IT.

AND THIS HAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

>> NOT ONLY BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT IT WAS AMENDED TO GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY AND A SITUATION THAT I THINK GATHERED A LOT OF THE ATTENTION IN CITY HALL WITH EVICTIONS AND SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY DISPLACED IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AND SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES SALIENT RELIEF TO FOLKS DIRECTLY.

>> PART OF THE REASON MOBILE HOME PARKS IS LOOK AT THE PRICE OF HOUSING AND LAND IN THE CITY.

YOU HAVE MOBILE HOME PARKS SITTING ON SOUTHERN AVENUE AND 15th AVENUE AND SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, THIS IS PERFECT ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND THIS CAN HAPPEN MORE AND MORE AS THE PRICE OF HOUSING GOES UP AND DISMISSED.

>> Ted: IS THIS A WISE POLITICAL MOVE FOR HIM DOWN THERE IN.

>> PEOPLE WILL APPRECIATE THAT AND MAKES HIM LOOK LIKE A HELPFUL PERSON AND CAN WORK WITH OTHERS AND HE IS DEFINITELY GETTING PUSHBACK ON OTHER BILLS THAT DEMOCRATS ARE FRUSTRATED ABOUT.

THEY THINK HE'S SNEAKEDLY PUTTING IN PROTECTION FOR FEE FUSSESFETUSES AND PAYING CHILD SUPPORT FROM THE DATE YOU TAKE A PREGNANCY TEST.

DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSING THAT AND THINK IT'S A SNEAKY WAY.

>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT A BILL THAT SAYS YOU CAN DRIVE IN THE HOV LANE IF YOU'RE PREGNANT IS TO GIVE PERSONHOOD TO A FETUS?

I'M SHOCKED.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, THIS $10,000 RAISE FOR TEACHERS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT?

>> A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING AND PUT OUT A STATEMENT AND FOUR HOUSE DEMOCRATS ON WHY THEY OPPOSE BUT PRO-EDUCATION AND SOME ARE TEACHERS.

AND SAYING, OK, YES, IT SOUNDS GOOD TO HAVE RAISES FOR TEACHERS AND YES, WE WANT THAT, BUT THIS BILL IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, FOR ONE THING, PERMANENT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO A RAISE THAT LASTS FOR A YEAR AND IT ONLY APPLIES FOR THE FIRST YEAR.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY CAN GO BACK AND I THINK THE BILL IS CRAFTED ONCE YOU GET THE $10,000 RAISE, EVEN IF THE $7 MILLION DISAPPEARS FROM THE LEGISLATURE, ARE YOU TO KEEP PAYING IT.

>> Ted: JIM, TO THAT POINT, IF YOU NEED THE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS, SORRY, IT'S DONE.

>> I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REALLY BIG STICKING POINTS, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT SOURCE OF FUNDING AND IT RACHETS UP THE SALARIES.

IT MAKES THE EXPENSE PERMANENT AND THE FUNDING IS NOT PERMANENT.

AND SO, I THINK THEY SEE THAT THAT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITH A RECESSION SOON AND THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH A RECESSION, EDUCATION WAS AN AREA THAT GOT HIT AND NOT CLIMBING OUT.

>> Ted: BACK TO THE BIPARTISAN NATURE, IF HE CAN GET DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS ON BOARD, THIS IS THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THE GOVERNOR WOULD SIGN?

>> I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE EXPENSE AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE OUT A LARGE PORTION OF KIND OF THE SURPLUS MONEY THAT EXISTS.

AND YOU KNOW, VERY OFTEN, YOU MIGHT MOVE SOME OF THESE THINGS ALL THE WAY TO THE FINISH LINE AND NOT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

THE POLITICAL TENSION WE HAVE THIS YEAR, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN A NORMAL YEAR, YOU WOULD SEE THIS ROLLED INTO THE BUDGET.

>> THERE'S ONE OTHER PROBLEM THE GOVERNOR WOULD WANT ADDRESSED, AGGREGATE EXPENDITURE LIMIT.

IT'S FINE TO SAY WE'LL PUT 700 MILLION IN.

WELL, YOU CAN'T SPEND IN AND I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T SPEND IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WAIVE THE CAP OR GET RID OF IT WHICH IS THE SOLUTION.

>> Ted: HOW LIKELY DOES THIS SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY?

>> THE GRASS BILL?

>> Ted: YES.

>> UNLIKELY, GIVEN THE POSITION FROM THE DEMOCRATIC TEACHERS.

>> Ted: WE HAVE OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE AND HAD THEM ON AND SAYING THAT THEY, REPUBLICAN LEADERS, ARE SPEAKING WITH THE GOVERNOR REGARDING THE BUDGET AND ASKING DEMOCRATS FOR IDEAS AND DEMOCRATS ARE NOT COOPERATING AND THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS WORK.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE ARE TALKING.

>> YES, I KNOW PETERSEN, HOBBS AND TOMA ARE TALKING AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE EPSTEIN AND CONO ARE IN THE ROOM.

YOU WOULD THINK THE FIVE WOULD BE IN THE MEETINGS AND WHAT REPUBLICANS AND THE SENATOR ARE TELLTELLING ME, THEY ASKED PRIORITIES FROM THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR A REPORT BEFORE THEY DO THAT.

AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PRIORITIES, GIVES US THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO MOVE FORWARD.

THERE'S THIS WHOLE THING THAT I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ACCESS DEADLINES.

>> Ted: YES.

BECAUSE WE HEARD ABOUT IT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HAPPENED NOW.

>> TOMORROW.

>> Ted: AND THEN THEY, WHAT, EXTENDED IT OUT SIX WEEKS?

>> AXIS, AND THEY NEED PERMISSION, LIKE THE AEL, BUT NOT REALLY, TO GET THE MONEY TO FUND, PAY THEIR DOCTORS, ET.

ET CETERA.

REPUBLICANS WERE USING THAT TO PUSH THE BUDGET BECAUSE WHEN THEY PUT UP THE SKINNY BUDGET AND SAYING IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT EVEN THOUGH ABOUT STATE GENERAL FUNDS.

IT'S ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDS AND THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE DISAGREEING WHETHER IT'S NECESSARY TO TIE THEM IN WITH THE BUDGET AND DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, NO, DON'T RUSH IT BY APRIL 1st, WHICH IS TOMORROW, WHICH MAKES ME THINK IT WON'T HAPPEN.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: AGAIN, AS CAN'T THIS JUST BE A STAND-ALONE?

YOU LOSE A TALKING POINT AND NEGOTIATING CHIP IN TERMS, OF, OH, YOU WANT THIS AND HOW ABOUT THIS?

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT, IT'S PART OF A GRAND BARGAIN AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.

WE KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN REPUBLICANS WHO WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THIS KIND OF SPENDING AND CERTAIN DEMOCRATS WHO WANT THE MOON, IF YOU WILL, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER AND IT'S BEEN TOMA AND THE ADULT IN THE ROOM, TO SAY, WE'LL DO LIKE WE DID WITH THE KOA LIST.

COALITION.

>> Ted: IS THIS PRO-FORMA?

>> TO THE EXTENT WE KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND SINCE 2009 SINCE WE'VE HAD A DEMOCRAT IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IS SMALLER THAN IT WAS BACK THEN AND FURTHER TO THE RIGHT BACK THEN.

I THINK WE HAVE -- THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND IT'S GOING TO TAKEBE, I THINK, A HARD CLIMB TO GET THERE.

AND I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE PAIN AND SHOUTING AND YELLING AND POLITICAL GRAND H GRANDSTANDING BEFORE A BUDGET DEAL.

>> SHOCKED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.

>> Ted: THE TRUMP INDICTMENT AND THIS IS MAJOR NATIONAL AND WORLD NEWS, HISTORIC STUFF.

ANY REVERBATIONS AT THE CAPITOL.

>> KARI LAKE SAYS MY BUDDY HAS BEEN INDICTED BUT IN TERMS OF THE STATE LAWMAKERS, NOT A LOT.

EVERYBODY KNEW THIS WAS COMING AND HARDLY A SECRET.

WE MAY SEE FLOOR SPEECHES NEXT WEEK FROM A FEW REPUBLICANS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS WILL BITE.

AND YOU KNOW, NOT MUCH MORE TO SAY.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, ANY TALKING OR JUST ANOTHER DAY?

>> NOT YET.

I THINK I SPOKE WITH SHOPAN KAISER AND SAYS, DID YOU HEAR AND THEY WERE, LIKE, YEAH.

AND I WOULD BE LOOKING OUT WENDY ROGERS AND WILL THERE BE SCREAMING AND SHOUTING AT THE CAPITOL?

NOT AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT DEFINITELY ON THE MORE NATIONAL LEVEL, BIGGS, GOSAR, LAKE.

>> Ted: QUICKLY, DO YOU EXPECT THIS TO GET ANY BIG ATTENTION OR NOSE AT THE GRINDSTONE?

I THINK THE NEWS BROKE LATE THURSDAY WHEN THE LEGISLATURE WAS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A LOT OF IT STUFF AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO MONDAY, NEXT WEEK, I THINK IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT NOT QUITE OF IN THE MOMENT.

>> Ted: UNTIL HE'S ARRAIGNED ONITUDE.

GOODONTUESDAY.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

>> Ted: AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.