[ ♪♪ ] >> TED: COMING UP ON AS A PBS, ON ARIZONA HORIZON, UTILITY COMPANIES HELPING YOU TO THE POWER GRID AND UKRAINIAN REFUGEES.

THAT'S AHEAD ON ARIZONA PBS.

WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

ENCOURAGING NEWS REGARDING THE TUNNEL FIRE NORTHEAST OF FLAGSTAFF.

IT'S 40% CONTAINED WITH OVER 14,000 ACRES BURNED AND 30 HOMES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED AND THE CROOK'S FIRE IS HOLDING AT NINE THOUSAND ACRES AND 23% CONTAINMENT AND SEVERAL EVACUATION ORDERS IN PLACE.

OTHER NEWS, U.S. ECONOMIC GROWTH PLUNGED AND IT DROPPED 1.4% HOW AN ANNUALIZED BASIS AND DOWN FROM THE 6.9% ANNUALIZED GROWTH DURING THE LAST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR AND THE DECLINE WAS DUE TO PROBLEMS WITH INVENTORIES AND A BALLOONING FRAUD DEFICIT BUT ANALYSTS SAY THE UNDERLYING MEASURES OF THE ECONOMY ARE SOLID WITH STRONG CONSUMER SPENDING AND CONTINUED BUSINESS INVESTMENT INDICATING THAT THE RECOVERY FROM THE PANDEMIC REMAINS STRONG.

PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY ASKED CONGRESS FOR AN ADDITIONAL $33 BILLION IN AID TO UKRAINE.

>> THE COST OF THIS FIGHT IS NOT CHEAP, BUT NEW AGGRESSION WILL BE MORE COSTLY IF WE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

WE EITHER BACK UKRAINIAN PEOPLE AS THEY DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY OR STAND BY AS RUSSIAN CONTINUE THEIR ATROCITY.

>> THERE ARE CONCERNS AT MORE AMMUNITION AND MORE SUPPLIES TO UKRAINE COULD PROVOKE RUSSIA BUT THE PRESIDENT TODAY SAYS UKRAINE NEEDS HELP.

>> THE FACTS ARE PLAIN FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT ATTACKING RUSSIA.

WE'RE HELPING UKRAINE DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION AND JUST AS PUTIN CHOSE TO LAUNCH THIS BRUTAL INVASION, HE COULD MAKE THE CHOOSE TO END THIS BRUTAL INVASION.

RUSSIA IS THE AGGRESSOR, NO AND'S, IF'S AND BUT'S ABOUT IT.

>> THEY WOULD SEIZE YACHTS AND AIRPORTS AND TYCOONS.

SOMEONE WHO BOUGHT A TICKET IN ARIZONA WON THE $473 MILLION JACKPOT LAST NIGHT AND POWERBALL OFFICIALS SAY IT WAS SOLD IN GILBERT AND THE WINNER COULD TAKE THE $283 MILLION LUMP SUM OR TAKE THE WHOLE AMOUNT IN 30 GRADUATED PAYMENT BEFORE TAXES.

>> SALT RIVER PROJECT WORKING WITH OTHER COMPANIES TO GET ELECTRICITY TO HUNDREDS OF HOMES ON NAVAJO NATION AND MANY HAVE NEVER HAD POWER OR HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH FOR BASIC NEEDS AND IT'S CALLED LIGHT UP NAVAJO TWO AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WAYNE WISDOM, WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT UP NAVAJO THREE AND WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

>> LIGHT UP NAVAJO IS AN INITIATIVE SPONSORED BY THE TRIBAL UTILITY AUTHORITY THAT SERVES THE NAVAJO NATION AND SO THEY HAVE A PROGRAM TO TRY TO BRING POWER TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AND THERE'S ABOUT 14,000 HOMES ON THE NAVAJO NATION THAT DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC SERVICE AND THEIR VISION BACK IN 2019 WAS TO SOLICIT REPORT FROM POWER UTILITY FROM SRP TO RUN LINES AND HELD BUILD LINES TO SERVE THE EXPECT.

>> TED: THIS INVOLVES VOLUNTEER CREWS FROM NOT JUST ARIZONA BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, HUH?

>> ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

NTUA IS A PUBLIC POWER UTILITY AND THEY LEVERAGE THEIR PUBLIC POWER MEMBERSHIP AGAINST ALL OF THE OTHER POWER UTILITIES TO HAVE THEM COME AND HELP WITH THIS INITIATIVE.

IN ADDITION, THEY REACHED OUT TO THE UTILITIES IN THE STATE, ARIZONA PUBLIC SERVICE IS HELPING, AS WELL.

>> TED: SO MANY FAMILIES WITHOUT POWER AND I THINK SO MANY WOULD BE SURPRISED AND SO VAST.

>> VERY REMOTE AND PEOPLE DON'T LIVE IN CITY CENTERS OR CLOSE TO THE SMALL TOWNS THAT ARE THERE AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN LIVING ON THEIR OWN WITH THE USE OF GENERATORS, KEROSENE LAMPS AND WHATEVER THEY COULD DO FOR GENERATIONS AND THE INITIATIVE IS TRYING TO BUILD FACILITIES THAT ARE AS CLOSE TO THEM AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO REACH THEM.

>> TED: WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES IN GETTING THAT DONE?

>> SO IT'S REMOTE AND ONCE YOU COME OFF THE MAJOR HIGHWAY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PAVED ROADS AND SO A LOT OF DIRT ROADS TRYING TO GET TO FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE FIVE MILES OFF THE MAIN ROAD AND SO THESE ARE DIRT ROADS.

IF IT RAINS OR SNOWS, THEN YOU HAVE THE CHALLENGES OF TRYING TO GET THROUGH MUD AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE ELEMENTS TO REACH SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.

>> TED: THESE WOULD BE CHALLENGES AND THESE FAMILIES WOULD ARE TO TAKE ON FOR THEMSELVES ALONG WITH THE TYPICAL COSTS THAT I'M FINDING $40,000.

>> THEY ESTIMATED IT COST ABOUT $40,000 IN LABOR AND MATERIALS TO HOOK UP ONE HOUSE.

SO THEY BUDGETED ABOUT $900 MILLION IN TOTAL TO DO ALL 14,000 FAMILIES THAT STILL NEED ELECTRICAL SERVICE.

>> TED: THIS WAS LIGHT UP NAVAJO THREE AND THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN AROUND NAVAJO THREE AND NAVAJO TWO DIDN'T HAPPEN, WHY, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC?

>> YES, BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

2019 WAS NAVAJO ONE AND LIGHT UP NAVAJO TWO DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND THAT WAS THE PREPARATION YEAR TO KIND OF HELP GET EVERYTHING READY FOR LIGHT UP NAVAJO THREE.

THEY GOT CARE'S ACT MONEY AND ON THEIR OWN, THEY WERE ABLE TO HOOK UP 700 MORE HOMES.

SO THE 700 THAT THEY DID IN 2021, ALONG WITH THE 200 OR SO IN 2019, THEN THAT KIND OF GOT THEM A THOUSAND MORE HOMES.

>> TED: THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES AND A LOT OF FOLKS.

AND HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO UP THERE AND SEE THE REACTION FROM FAMILY AND HOMES WHEN THE LIGHTS COME ON?

>> YEAH, I'VE BEEN UP THERE A COUPLE TIMES.

I WAS UP IN 2019 AND WAS THERE WITH THE FAMILY WHEN WE ENERGIZED THE LINE AND THEY SET THE METRE AND TURN THE LIGHT SWITCH AND EXTATIC AND HAD POWER FINALLY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.

I WAS UP THERE EARLIER THIS MONTH ON APRIL 7TH AND WE WERE ENERGIZING ANOTHER HOME.

AND HE CAME OUT OF HIS HOUSE AND HE WAS EXTATIC AND NOW IT'S ABOUT PAYING ELECTRIC BILLS AND BUYING LIGHTBULBS.

>> TED: THE REACTION MUST BE SO REWARDING FOR YOU TO SEE.

>> THEY'RE SO APPRECIATIVE TO HELP BRING THEM POWER AND VERY GENUINE AND HUMBLE AND VERY APPRECIATIVE.

>> TED: THE COST OF THE INITIATIVE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING HERE HERE?

A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK BUT WHAT OTHER COSTS OTHERWISE WOULD THIS ENTAIL?

>> THE MANPOWER AND HAVING LINE CREWS UP THERE, DIGGING HOLES, STRINGING LINE AND THE MATERIALS, THE COST OF THOSE MATERIALS, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH JUST TRYING TO GET THE RIGHTS OF WAY AND THE EASEMENTS AND THE ROUTING FROM THE MAIN LINE OVER TO A PERSON'S HOUSE.

IN ADDITION, THE FAMILY ALSO HAS TO APPLY AND THEY HAVE AN EXPENSE ON THEIR SIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING WIRES THROUGH THEIR HOUSES AND HAVE THEIR PANEL, ELECTRIC PANEL APPROVED AND PASSED AND SO A FAMILY IS SPENDING, I THINK I SAW SOMETHING $3,000 ON THEIR OWN JUST TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY AND PUT ON THE LIST TO GET POWER AT SOME POINT.

>> TED: NOT CHEAP FOR THIS KIND OF THING.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS A START DATE AND FINISH DATE AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE HERE?

>> SO EACH EFFORT SPANS BETWEEN APRIL AND OCTOBER, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY RUN THE OUTSIDE EFFORT, APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER AND THEY PLAN TO DO THIS FOR AS LONG AS THEY NEED TO GET ALL 14,000 HOMES IN POWER.

RIGHT NOW, THEIR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET ENOUGH SUPPORT, FINANCIAL AS WELL AS UTILITY SUPPORT TO DO A THOUSAND HOMES A YEAR.

EVEN AT THAT RATE, 14,000 HOMES, THAT'S A LONG WAY.

>> TED: THERE WILL BE A LIGHT UP NAVAJO FOUR, FIVE AND SIX.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> YES.

>> TED: CONGRATULATIONS AND I KNOW YOU'RE CHANGING A LOT OF LIVES AND THANKS FOR TELLING US ABOUT IT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

>> TED: AND UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, A LOOK AT WHAT THE REGION'S COMPETITION IS ALL ABOUT.

THE REGION'S CUP SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEEKEND CELEBRATES FREE SPEECH AND CIVIL DISCOURSE AT ARIZONA'S PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES AND STUDENTS ENGAGE AND DEBATE FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN SCHOLARSHIP MONEY WITH THE WINNING SCHOOL AWARDED THE REGION'S CUP.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON ARIZONA HORIZON AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REGENT'S CUP.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND GENERALLY AROUND THE ISSUES OF FREE SPEECH.

THIS YEAR, WE'VE BROADENED THE ISSUE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THE STUDENTS ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT AND THAT IS FOCUSING ON THE INSTITUTING OF DEMOCRACY AND FREE SPEAK IS THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.

>> TED: AT ITS CORE, THIS IS A DEBATE, TRUE?

>> YES, IT'S STORY-TELLING AND OXFORD STYLE DEBATER AND A LOT OF US THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO ENGAGE PEOPLE AROUND CIVIL DISCOURSE.

WE SEE SO MUCH, I THINK, IN OUR SOCIETY, OF REALLY A LACK OF CIVIL DISCOURSE AND A LACK OF BEING ABLE TO TALK WITH PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT VIEWS AND BOTH LISTEN TO THEM AND PRESENT OUR VIEWS IN A LOGICAL, REASONABLE WAY.

THAT WAS PART OF THE GENESIS OF THIS WHOLE IDEA.

>> TED: OXFORD DEBATING, WE UNDERSTAND, BUT STORY-TELLING BY WAY OF COMPETITION, HOW DOES THAT WORK.

>> WELL, FORENSICS HAS A NUMBER OF EVENTS AND THOSE OF US WHO PARTICIPATED IN FORENSICS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE, THERE WERE VARIOUS KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT ONE OF THE TOPICS IS TO HAVE STUDENTS TELL A STORY IN AN ENGAGING SORT OF WAY THAT THE AUDIENCE APPRECIATES AND LEARNS FROM AND THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPETITIONS, AS WELL.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE ATTEND TO THE DEBATE ISSUE AND THAT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION IN THE REGENT'S CUP.

THAT'S WHERE IT GOES, BY THE WAY.

>> TED: YES, I GOTCHA.

YOU TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER AND THE EMPHASIS IS ON RESPECT AND CIVIL DISCOURSE.

BUT ALSO, THE THEME IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PRESERVATION OF DEMOCRACY AND WHY THAT THEME AND WHY NOT?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT HARKENS BACK TO WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD TO SAY.

JEFFERSON TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT FUNDAMENTAL TO DEMOCRACY IS REPEATEDLY ENGAGING IN HOW WE PRESERVE IT.

IN THE '30S, THE 1830S, AS A MATTER OF FACT, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, 28 YEARS OLD, GAVE ONE OF HIS GREAT SPEECHES OF WHICH WERE A LIMITED NUMBER AND EACH ONE IS SPECIAL.

HE GAVE A SPEECH CALLED THE LYCEUM SPEECH, AND HE FEARED THAT IN THE 1830S THAT THE INSTITUTIONS OF DEMOCRACY WERE UNDER THREAT.

AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, HE WAS CONSIDERED WITH THE RULE OF LAW AND CONCERNED WITH LYNCHINGS IN THE COUNTRY.

HE COMMENTED ON THE FACT THAT THIS TEMPLE OF LIBERTY AND THOSE ARE LINCOLN'S WORDS, THIS TEMPLE OF LIBERTY REQUIRES THAT WE WORK HARD IN EVERY GENERATION TO PRESERVE IT.

AND SO MANY OF US, WHEN WE LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO DISRESPECT THE MEDIA, WE REALLY QUESTION THE RULE OF LAW.

A WHOLE SET OF INSTITUTIONS OF DEMOCRACY, INCLUDING FREE SPEECH, OF COURSE, THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES, PERHAPS, LIKE THE ONE LINCOLN WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MORE THAN A CENTURY AGO.

>> TED: THE STUDENTS WILL TELL STORIES SURROUNDINGS THESE ISSUES AND THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS AND HOW DOES THIS WORK.

>> THERE ARE WINNERS.

THE THREE UNIVERSITIES THAT REPORT TO THE ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS AND THE ONES THAT COMPETE, ARIZONA UNIVERSITY, ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY AND NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY.

THIS YEAR WE'LL BE HOLDING THE CONTESTS AT NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY WHERE WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT JOSÉ LUIS CRUZ RIVERA, AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER THE CUP REMAINS WITH THE UNIVERSITY.

ARIZONA STATE HAS TAKEN IT TWICE BEFORE AND PERHAPS, THEY'RE CONCERNED IT WILL BE TAKEN AWAY.

>> TED: SCHOLARSHIP, OTHER COURSE CREDITS ARE INVOLVED AND BEST OF ALL, THIS IS PUBLIC SPEAKING EXPERIENCE FOR THESE STUDENTS, I SHOULD SAY.

>> RIGHT, WHEN WE AS A BOARD BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE NEED TO CHANGE OUR GENERAL EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS, WE WERE CONCERNED WE BUILT IN CIVIC'S EDUCATION IN A COLLEGIATE LEVEL TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ARGUMENT, A FACT, A JUDGMENT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR ARGUMENT IN A CIVIL WAY AND WE BUILT THAT INTO THE GENERAL EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN GENERAL OUTLYING REGIONS FOR THE UNIVERSITIES.

>> TED: LAST QUESTION REGARDING THE SPECIFICS JUST IN GENERAL OF CIVIL DISCOURSE, OF FREE SPEECH ON UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES.

WHERE DO WE STAND RIGHT NOW?

>> WELL, AS SOME OF THE LISTENERS AND VIEWERS MAY KNOW, WE HAVE THREE UNIVERSITIES THAT STEMMED OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ALL THREE HAVE GREEN RATINGS FROM WHAT'S CALLED FIRE, FOR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS FOR STUDENTS, AND WE'RE RECOGNIZED AS THE ONLY STATE IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS A GREEN LIGHT RATING, WHICH IS THE TOP RATING, FREE SPEECH ON ALL THREE CAMPUSES.

AND SO, WE'RE QUITE PROUD OF THAT.

I BELIEVE IT SPEAKS TO THE NATURE OF ARIZONA THAT WE HAVE THOSE KINDS OF RATINGS.

>> TED: THANK YOU, SIR, GOOD SPEAK WITH YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

[ ♪♪ ] >> TONIGHT, PRESIDENT BIDEN REQUESTS THAT CONGRESS FUND $33 BILLION WORTH OF AID FOR UKRAINE ANDTHAT'S COMING UP AFTER YOUR HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> TED: PHOENIX-BASED NOBLE ORCHESTRA WILL DEBUT THE PERFORMING ARTS AND THE LOST SCORE WAS FROM CLARK UNIVERSITY IN MASSACHUSETTS AND HE FOUND THE SCORE AT THE AUSTRIAN NATIONAL LIBRARY ARCHIVES IN VIENNA.

[ ♪♪ ] >> TED: EARLY TODAY WE SPOKE WITH THE FOUNDER AND MUSIC DIRECTOR OF MUSIC AND NOVA.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON ARIZONA HORIZON AND THIS WILL A HOOT BECAUSE I LOVE THE IDEA OF MUSIC THAT IS FOUND, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ETHER FROM SOMEONE LIKE ANTON BRUCKNER.

YOU FOUND MUSIC FROM A CLASSICAL COMPOSER AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> SO THIS IS A VERSION OF THE FOURTH SYMPHONY THAT HE COMPOSED IN 1878 AND BEFORE IT WAS PERFORMED, HE TOOK IT BACK AND REWORKED IT AND IN PARTICULAR, HE REPLACED THE LAST MOVEMENT WITH AN ENTIRELY NEW COMPOSITION.

AND SINCE HE WITHDREW IT, IT WAS NEVER PERFORMED IN HIS DAY AND THE ENTIRE 1878 VERSION, THE LOST VERSION HAS NEVER BEEN PERFORMED PUBLICALLY IN 144 YEARS.

>> TED: THAT'S FASCINATING AND YOU GUYS ARE KNOWN FOR FINDING OR SECURING THINGS AND PERFORMING THEM.

WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS, WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST THOUGHT?

MY FIRST THOUGHT, I WAS AWARE OF IT FOR AWHILE, THIS WAS STRANGE AND THE THING THAT CAME TO MIND, THE FOLK'S FINALE IS KNOWN BUT NEVER PLAYED.

AS AN EXISTENCE, IT WAS SEPARATE AS A WHOLE AND I WENT, HOW WILL THAT FIT?

HOW WILL THESE PIECES COME TOGETHER?

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REMARKABLE CHALLENGE TO WORK ON THAT.

>> TED: DID YOU JUST STUMBLE UPON THIS?

>> NO, HARDLY.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN PREPARING CRITICAL EDITIONS FOR THE BRUCKNER EDITION BASED IN VIENNA, WHICH IS AN EXTENSIVE RESEARCH PROJECT AND MANY, MANY MANUSCRIPTS AND THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT SYMPHONY HAS NEVER BEEN PERFORMED.

AND IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A REALLY REMARKABLE PASSAGE AND AN EXPRESSIVE SOULFUL PASSAGE THAT WAS DELETED BEFORE THE PERFORMANCE.

PUTTING TOGETHER THE ENTIRE SYMPHONY IN THIS FORM AS WARREN SAID, REALLY CAST THE ENTIRE PIECE IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT.

>> TED: WHAT IS THE FEELING?

>> I HAD TO RETHINK MY WHOLE THINKING ABOUT THE SYMPHONY TO MAKE THIS A NEW COHERENT PICTURE AND IT'S REMARKABLE.

I'M DOING THINGS I WOULD NEVER DO IF I WAS DOING A STANDARD VERSION OF IT.

>> TED: IS IT CHALLENGING FOR THE MUSICIANS?

>> ALWAYS CHALLENGING, FAMOUSLY SO.

>> TED: THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER IS THAT HE LIKED TO COUNT THINGS AND HAD A COUNTING OBSESSION.

>> SO THEY SAY.

HE WAS AN INTERESTING FIGURE.

HE WAS BORN IN THE PROVINCES OF AUSTRIA AND CAME UP AS A VERY TALENTED AND SUCCESSFUL ORGANIST AND CHURCH COMPOSER.

HEN HE WAS IN HIS 40S, HE RETRAINED HIMSELF IN MODERN MUSIC AND SHIFTED HIS FOCUS PRIMARILY TO SYMPHONIES AND MOVED TO THE BIG CITY OF VIENNA, GOT A POSITION AT THE CONSERVATORY AND LATER THE UNIVERSITY AND REALLY FOCUSED ON BUILDING HIS CAREER AND HIS LEGEND AS A SYMPHONY COMPOSER.

>> TED: OBVIOUSLY A FAMILIAR NAME AS FAR AS CLASSICAL MUSIC, BUT WARREN, IS IT 20TH CENTURY KIND OF THING WHERE YOU SOMETIMES DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO?

>> NO, HE HIS A TREMENDOUS SENSE OF MELODY AND THERE ARE GORGEOUS TUNES IN THIS.

HIS MUSIC IS ACTUALLY VERY ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT HAS TO BE HEARD IN THE CONCERT HALL AND THAT'S WHAT'S REMARKABLE ABOUT IT.

IF YOU ARE IN A CONCERT HALL AND THAT SOUND THAT COMES FOR YOU, THAT FAMOUS BRUCKNER SOUND, MUSICAL ACOUSTICS, IT'S OVERWHELMING, AND YOU COULD NEVER GET THAT.

>> TED: IS THIS THE KIND OF THING -- BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS, CLASSICAL MUSIC, WE'RE AMATEURS YOU PROFESSIONALS, YOU CAN FIND A PASSAGE AND KNOW WHO IT IS.

DOES HE STAND OUT IN CERTAIN WAYS?

>> CERTAINLY, AND I THINK WARREN PUT HIS FINGER ON ONE OF THE MOST THINGS, THE PURE SOUND QUALITY OF THIS MUSIC.

AND PARTICULAR THE WAY IN WHICH BRUCKNER FOLLOWED BY EXTRAORDINARY CONTRASTS, A MUSIC THAT'S FULL OF DIFFERENT MOOD AND SOUNDSCAPES AND QUITE REMARKABLE AND HEARING IT IN THE CONCERT HALL, IN THE PRESENCE OF A LISTENING AUDIENCE IS THE WAY TO GO.

>> TED: WARREN, FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGNS PUT THIS ON BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE FANS AROUND THE WORLD WERE HELPING OUT.

>> YES.

BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN UNUSUAL EVENT, WE RAN A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CONTINUE, THEY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND MAKE IN THE EXPERIENCE IT NEEDS TO BE.

AND THE WEBSITE IS MUSICNOVAAZ.ORG.

>> TED: THE SENSE OF SATISFACTION, FINDING THIS AND KNOWING THIS WILL BE PREMIERED AND PERFORMED, YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS.

>> IT'S TREMENDOUS AND THE WORK OF DOING THIS ARCHIVE RESEARCH AND EDITING IS LABORIOUS AND SOLITARY AND WONDERFUL THAT WARREN TOOK UP THE CHALLENGE AND WONDERFUL TO HEAR IT ON SUNDAY.

>> TED: THIS SOUNDS COOL AND GENTLEMEN, CONGRATULATIONS ON FINDING THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE LOSS SYMPHONY AND LOOKS FORWARD TO HEARING IT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TED: THAT IS IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!

COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS, A LOOK AT EFFORTS TO CONTROL A HERD OF