>> Ted: NEXT, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK AT YET ANOTHER LOSS IN COURT WITH KARI LAKE.

THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME.

IT'S FRIDAY AND IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US FOR A LOOK AT THE STORIES, LAURIE ROBERTS, HOWIE FISCHIER AND LAURIE, WE START WITH YOU AND WE HAVE YET ANOTHER COURT CASE AND THIS IS THE END OF THE COURT CASE AS FAR AS KARI LAKE SAYING THIS?

>> NO.

SHE'S PREPARED TO GO ALL OF THE WAY TO THE UNITED STATES' SUPREME COURT WITH THIS THING?

SHE HAS TO CONTINUE IT AND A GREAT WAY TO RAISE MONEY AND KEEP YOUR NAME OUT THERE.

IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR THE SENATE, IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BE VISIBLE UNLESS YOU'RE THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYING, THIS IS NOT GOOD, NOT GOOD AT ALL.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT THE CASE, THE LAST REMAINING CLAIM OF THOSE TEN CLAIMS AND MOST THROWN OUT AND THIS HUNG AROUND AWHILE.

>> IN IS THETHIS IS THE ONE BROUGHT BACK FROM THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT AND THE JUDGE THREW IT OUT THE FIRST TIME IN THE WRONG WAY WITH THE WRONG ANALYSIS.

THIS TIME SHE GOT A THREE-DAY TRIAL AND WHAT SHE HAD TO PROVE BASED ON THE CLAIM THAT HER OWN ATTORNEYS BROUGHT WAS THAT MARICOPA COUNTY VERIFIED NO SIGNATURES OF VOTERS AFFIDAVITS.

HER OWN TWO WHISTLEBLOWERS TALKED EXTENSIVELY AND CONVINCINGLY ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS OF VERIFYING BALLOTS WHICH RIGHT THERE PUT HER CASE INTO A DEAD HALT.

>> THE OTHER THING, THE EXPERT, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, EXPERT SHE BROUGHT IN SAYING I'VE ANALYZED THE NEWSPAPERS AND WASN'T NUMBERS SAYING WE FOUND 70 UNDER TWO CLICKS AND THE JUDGE SAID TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE.

YOU STILL HAVEN'T PROVEN ANYTHING AND NOTHING IN THE LAW OR ELECTION PROCEDURAL'S MANUAL SAYING HOW LONG DO YOU TAKE, SIX SECONDS, TWO SECONDS AND IT'S A QUESTION OF DOING IT TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE COUNTY RECORDER AND NOT THE COURT.

UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW OTHERWISE, YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN ANYTHING AND THESE ARE NICE NUMBERS.

>> Ted: THE WHISTLEBLOWERS TALKS HOW THEY WERE TRAINED AND NOT THAT MUCH PRESSURE AND THAT'S NOT MAKING HER CASE AT ALL.

>> I MEAN, THEY SPOKE VERY EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE TRAINING AND THE PROCEDURE AND ANALYZING SIGNATURES AND GETTING THEM BACK AND HOW MUCH TIME AND EXPRESSING CONCERNS.

I DON'T THINK THESE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH ME WERE GIVING IT TIME AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE SATISFIED THAT THE SIGNATURES MATCH.

SOMETIMES IT'S A QUICK THING TO SAY BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT THE COUNTY'S ELECTION'S DIRECTOR AND BOTH SIDES PUT HIM ON THE SIDE AND ANYONE FROM THE DEFENSE CALLED AND VERY MUCH HE CONTRADICTED THE LAKE TEAM'S EXPERTS.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THREE SECONDS, TWO SECONDS.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES AND SOMETIMES THIS IS A QUICK PROCEDURE AND YOU MOVE ON.

>> EVEN IF YOU ASSUME THOSE 70,000 BALLOTS THAT WERE VERIFIED IN UNDER TWO SECONDS WERE NOT REALLY VERIFIED AT ALL, IF YOU TOOK THE BALLOTS, YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT MEANS THAT ANY OF THEM WERE INVALID BALLOTS AND EVEN IF SOME WERE INVALID, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO OVERCOME THE DEFICITS.

>> ON THE MATHEMATICAL ONES THAT BROKE DOWN, EVEN IF FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT YOU SAY YOU THEY WERE TO THE PROPERLY VERIFIED, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO PUSH LAKE OVER THE TOP.

>> THE ONE OTHER THING, LAKE'S EFFORTS TO ESCAPE YET ANOTHER SET OF SANCTIONS.

AND SHE SAID, WELL, WE DIDN'T SAY THAT WE COULDN'T PROVE THAT NONE OF THEM -- WE'RE SAYING SOME OF THEM WEREN'T.

SHE'S MOVING THE GOAL POST SAYING, BUT THE OTHERS DIDN'T COUNT.

NOT WHAT THE COURT SAID SHE HAD TO PROVE, WHICH HAS BEEN THE WHOLE PROBLEM ALL ALONG.

THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE 35,000 ILLEGALLY INJECTED SIGNATURES, BALLOTS AND EVEN IF THE SUPREME COURT SLAPPED HER DOWN ON THAT ONE.

>> Ted: IF THE ATTORNEYS ARE BRINGING -- ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS BROUGHT UP SOMETHING, BUT WHAT ABOUT SANCTIONS AND THE IDEA THAT -- I MEAN MARICOPA COUNTY SAYS THE HARMFUL CLAIMS HER ATTORNEYS AND KARI LAKE MADE, THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED.

HEINOUS AND HARMFUL.

>> IT'S NOTHING THAT WILL HURT HER WALLET TO RAISE MONEY WITH HER "SAVE ARIZONA FUND, BUT HOW LONG TO BE USED AS POLITICAL PAWNS TO PUT OUT A CERTAIN KIND OF MESSAGE.

HER ATTORNEYS DID NOT DO HER ANY FAVORS IN COURT AND FUMBLED AROUND.

THEY ARE THE REASON THAT SHE HAD TO PROVE THAT THERE WAS NO SIGNATURE VERIFICATION BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT THE WRONG KIND OF CLAIM BEFORE THE JUDGE.

>> IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS MONEY IS NOT WHAT'S GOING TO DOWN.

THERE ARE COURT RULES IN STATE AND FEDERAL COURT THAT WHEN AN ATTORNEY SIGNS ONTO A PLEA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASONABLE BASIS, FACTUALLY AND LIGHT TO SUPPORT THE PLEA, NOT JUST THROWING SOMETHING UP AGAINST THE WALL.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN, YOU COULD HAVE BRIAN BLEM WHO IS LICENSED IN ARIZONA, WHERE THEY CAN SANCTION THEM, SUSPEND OR ESSENTIALLY PULL THEIR LAW LICENSES.

THAT'S WHAT WILL STOP THIS.

>> Ted: LAST POINT ON THIS, WHERE WERE THE BOMBSHELLS?

I'M STILL WAITING.

>> THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE RULING OR AFTER THE COURT?

THERE'S BEEN NO BOMB BOMBSHELL.

SHE'S BEEN DEFEATED AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY IN COURT.

IF YOU READ HER LAWYER'S RESPONSE, THERE'S NOT A LOT IN THERE ABOUT DEFENDING THE SIGNATURE VERIFICATION BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN TO THIS ONE EXPERT, OH, HE DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH TIME AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT.

>> Ted: YOU'RE ON A DIFFERENT TRACK THAN WHAT THE JUDGE TALKING ABOUT.

>> AS OPPOSED TO THE CLEAR GUIDELINES, FOR WHAT THEY HAD TO CONCLUSIVELY PROVE.

>> THERE'S A REASON THAT KARI LAKE DIDN'T HAVE THE WELL-KNOWN AND HIGHLY EXPERIENCED ELECTION'S ATTORNEYS IN ARIZONA.

NOBODY WANTED TO TALK THIS CASE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A CASE HERE TO BE MADE.

>> Ted: WE SHOULD MENTION AS FAR AS A REACTION, THE PRESS CONFERENCE THE NEXT DAY, THAT TURNED TOUT TO OUT TO BE A GLORIFIED GET OUT OF THE WAY THING.

>> IT WAS AN AIRING THE GRIEVANCES, AS THEY SAID ON SEINFELD.

EVERYBODY WAS OUT TO GET HER AND THEN SHE SAID, WE'LL START THIS, BASICALLY, BALLOT CHASING, THAT YOU FIND OUT WHO GOT AN EARLY BALLOT AND WHO RETURNED THEM AND YOU CAN SAY, WHY DIDN'T YOU RETURN IT.

>> Ted: THAT'S CAMPAIGNING.

>> IF YOU HAD DONE IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME -- >> WATCHING REMOTELY, YOU DIDN'T DO THIS LAST YEAR?

LIKE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE BLAMING SOMEONE BESIDES THE COURTS AND KATIE HOBBS AND YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO THIS AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU OVERLOOKED, THAT WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

>> Ted: INSTEAD OF BELITTLING THE IDEA.

>> THEY SPENT THREE YEARS TELLING PEOPLE FALSELY HOW BAD EARLY VOTING IS AND INSECURE AND REALLY, YOU TALK TO ANY ELECTION OFFICIALS, IT'S VERY RELILE.

THERE'S A REASON CAMPAIGN FOCUSED.

THIS IS A BALLOT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AND YOU CAN COUNT THAT.

>> IT WAS CASTED AGREEMENT THAT MAYBE SHE MESSED UP LAST YEAR.

SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT, BUT THE FACT IS, SHE'S DO A U-TURN WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING FOR THE SENATE.

IT WAS NOT A BOMBSHELL, BUT JUST A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT.

>> Ted: WAS THE FACT THAT KARRIN TAYLOR-ROBSON NOT RUNNING, WAS THAT A BOMBSHELL.

>> NO.

SHE HAS ISSUES IN HER OWN HOME AND HER HUSBAND IS GETTING ODDER ANDGETTING OLDERAND THE IDEA OF GOING TO THE SENATE WOULD MAKE NO SENSE FOR HER TO BE SO FAR AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW I THINK MANY PEOPLE THINK SHE'S OF THE LEGISLATIVE TYPE AND THE EXECUTIVE TYPE OF LEADER.

AND WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT AREPEAT INTO A REPUBLIC PRIMARY WHERE PEOPLE COULD WIN ELECTIONS ARE NOMINATED?

>> Ted: WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SOMEWHAT OF A VEILED SHOT AT KARI LAKE WAS THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MUST COM APPEAL TO A REPUBLICAN BASE AND SOMEONE THAT CAN WIN MORE THAN JUST A PRIMARY.

>> A LOT OF FOLKS HOPING TO SEE OTHER CANDIDATES, ASIDE FROM KARI LAKE WIDELY EXPECTED TO JUMP IN.

THE ONLY REPUBLICAN IN THE RACE IS MARK LAMB WHO HAS TAKEN FAR OUT POSITIONS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND DEFINITELY PIVOTED TOWARDS CENTER SINCE HE GOT INTO THE RACE AND TOWING MORE OF AN ESTABLISHMENT LINE AND SOME SENTIMENT OUT THERE THAT THE G.O.P HAS DEFINED MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL CANDIDATE.

>> THEY'RE COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT KYRSTEN SINEMA DOES RUNS A AN INDEPENDENT, SHE SPLITS THE VOTE WITH RUBIN GALLEGO AND A REPUBLICAN CAN SNEAK IN THERE.

LOOK, THREE-WAY RACES, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AND SHE'S RIGHT AND THE RANK AND FILE OF THE PARTY IS BEGINNING TO REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WIN PRIMARIES.

BUT LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THE SECRETARY OF STATE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

I KNOW THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING IT, BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU HAD CANDIDATES THAT WEREN'T TAKING RADICAL POSITIONS INCLUDING THE STATE TREASURER, SHE GOT ELECTED.

>> FIT WAS THEIF IT WAS THE STOLEN ELECTION, HOW DID KIMBERLY YE GOT ELECTED?

SHE WAS AN ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN.

>> Ted: AND TOM HORN.

>> THEY GOT ELECTED SO IF THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, WHY DID THEY WIN?

>> THE DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS CONTROLLED BY CHAVEZ FROM THE GRAVE REACHED OUT TO HELP KATI HOBBS.

>> Ted: WE CAN'T GO DOWN THAT PARTICULAR HOLE.

I WANT TO MOVE ON, BUT HANDICAP THIS RACE AND WE DON'T KNOW IF LAKE OR SINEMA WILL RUN AND LET'S PUT THOSE THREE, GALLEGO, SINEMA, LAKE, HANDICAP.

>> ALL I CAN THINK OF IS MEECUM, BEAT THE ESTABLISH THE CANDIDATE IN THE PRIMARY AND BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE SO HORRIFIED, THEY DOT ANGOT AN INDEPENDENT TO JUMP IN AND HE SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE OR THE INDEPENDENT VOTE AND THERE'S YOUR HANDICAP.

>> Ted: THEY VERY MUCH AND LET'S MOVE ON.

ANOTHER CHANGE IN THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF AND THIS TIME THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS OUT AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> ALI BONES, THE GOVERNOR'S CHIEF OF STAFF, AND EFFECTIVELY THE NUMBER TWO KIND OF DEFACTO CHIEF OF STAFF AND ANNOUNCED HER RESIGNATION LATE THURSDAY.

THE WRITING HAS BEEN ON THE WALL FOR AWHILE.

ALI BONES, SHE'S BEEN ON HER WAY OUT AND THE WAY SHE SERVED AS CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE WAY HOBBS HAS SERVED AS GOVERNOR.

USUALLY, YOU WANT TO BURY THESE THINGS ON A FRIDAY AND THREE-DAY WEEKEND, NO LESS, AND THEY ANNOUNCE IN THE THURSDAY EVENING AND NO NEW CHIEF OF STAFF IMMEDIATELY THERE, READY TAKE HER PLACE AND GOVERNOR HOBBS SAID THEY'LL HAVE THAT NEXT WEEK.

THIS IS THE CONTINUING STORY OF DYSFUNCTION ON THE NINTH FLOOR AND THE FOURTH MAJOR STAFFER OUT AND OTHER PEOPLE SHUFFLE AROUND IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS.

>> Ted: STAFFS CHANGE, BUT THIS QUICKLY?

>> WE SAW THIS HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE MOVE UP FROM SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE TO THE GOVERNOR'S POSITION AND THEY BRING THEIR PEOPLE WITH THEM AND SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.

YOU BRING SOMETHING UP LIKASM LIKE ALI SAYING WE WANT YOU TO NOT ONLY RUN THE STAFF AND HELP WITH THE POLICY AND WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE, THE DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS WHO WERE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE BUDGET BEING NEGOTIATED AND IT'S A DIFFERENT SKILLSET.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO GO AHEAD AND FIND SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS.

BUT THE SAME THING HAPPENS ALL OF THE TIME.

A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HELP YOU WIN THE ELECTION.

THEN YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE STATE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE UP THERE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE MINORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE.

BUT AGAIN, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A GRASP OF HOW TO WORK WITH HER OWN PARTY.

>> Ted: THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SHE'S NOT A NOVICE AND WHY IS THERE THIS PERCEPTION SHE'S GETTING ROLLED?

>> PERCEPTION?

SHE'S JUST HAD ONE MISSTEP AFTER THE OTHER, GOING BACK TO THE DHS DIRECTOR AND A WOMAN WHO -- A PIMA COUNTY HEALTH DIRECTOR, A GOOD HIRE FOR THE JOB AND NOBODY PREPARED HER FOR THE STEAMROLLING AND THE GUARANTEE LES AND THEGAUNTLETAND AND TWO DAYS BEFORE THE FINAL BILL AND DHS REGISTERED OPPOSITION TO THE BILL AND SHE VETOED IT FORCING A SIZEABLE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS FROM YES TO NO TO PROTECT HER FROM AN OVERRIDE.

YOU HAD THE BUDGET SHE DIDN'T USE THE LEVERAGE TO GET AS MANY.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF THAT HOWIE IS TALKING ABOUT.

>> THEY WERE NOT REALISTIC COMPLAINTS AND ESA EXPANSION DIDN'T GET REVERSED AND USING HER LEVERAGE TO GET THE AGENCY DIRECTORS CONFIRMED AND THERE'S A DOZEN AND PROP 400, THE TRANSPORTATION TAX, SOMETHING THAT GOVERNOR HOBBS CARES ABOUT AND SOME DEAL ON THAT THAT'S STILL STALLED OUT.

AS THEY SAID, THE LEVERAGE OF POWER NOT BEING APPLIED IN THE WAY YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN.

LIKE A DOUG DUCEY OR JANET THAT THEY NAPOLITANO WOULD.

>> UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK NOT ONLY WITH HIS OWN PARTY AND WORKS WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF ANOTHER PARTY AND KNOWS HOW TO DEAL.

UNDERSTANDS HOW TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE AND HE HAS A PERSONALITY, I THINK WILL WORK WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH FOLKS AND TRYING TO TWIST THEIR ARMS AND LOOK, HOW WILL WE DO THAT?

LOOK, NOBODY WAS WORK WORKING WITH THE LIVE DEMOCRATS.

THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS.

I REALIZE THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN ACCURATELY, BUT HELLO!

THE DEMOCRATS WERE 29 OUT OF 16 AND 14 OUT OF 30 IN THE SENATE.

>> CHAD WAS HOUSE MINORITY LEADER DURING THE MEDICAID EXPANSION FIGHT.

IT'S A RARE OCCASION WHERE DEMOCRATS DID HAVE A VOICE ON THE BUTCH WHEN THERE WAS A REPUBLICAN.

AND GUY THERE WAS TALK OF DEMOCRATS SAYING WHAT MORE CAN GET GET AND CHAD NEGOTIATED AND THEY DID GET THAT DEAL.

>> Ted: AND SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, LAURIE, ALL DAY PRIVATE SCHOOL KINDERGARTEN.

APPARENTLY GOVERNOR DUCEY FOUND A WAY TO GET $50 MILLION OF FAL FEDERAL FUNDS.

>> HE SNUCK $50 MILLION IN RELIEF RESCUE ACT MONEY TO PROVIDE ALL-DAY KINDERGARTEN FOR CHILDREN TO GET VOUCHERS TO USE PUBLIC MONEY TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BAD IDEA IN THAT ALL-DAY K IS A BAD IDEA.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE STATE DOESN'T PAY IT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN.

1.1 MILLION PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION AND OFTEN BECAUSE THEIR OWN DISTRICT'S PROPERTY TAXPAYERS AND VOTERS HAVE DECIDED TO TAX THEMSELVES IN AN OVERRIDE TO PAY FOR IT.

>> Ted: WASN'T THIS MONEY ORGANIZE FALLYORIGINALLY DESIGNED ADDRESS DISCREPANCIES AND DISPARITIES?

>> THIS IS DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH PROBLEMS.

NEW WINDOWS THAT OPEN AND ADDITIONAL AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS TO DEAL WITH THE FACT KIDS WEREN'T IN SCHOOL FOR PART OF THE TIME AND DEAL WITH THAT.

IFSOMEHOW YOU CAN SAY HALF-DAY KINDERGARTEN TO FULL-DAY KINDERGARTEN CAN HELP THEM AND REMEMBER, THESE ARE THE KIDS WHOSE PARENTS WERE PAYING FOR THEM TO ATTEND FULL-DAY AND THESE WERE NOT THE DISADVANTAGED KIDS OR LEFT BEHIND AND SOMEHOW, THE GOVERNOR -- AGAIN HE WAS ON HIS WAY OUT AND LIKE BEING A PRESIDENT.

I'LL PARDON EVERYBODY AND I'M ON MY WAY OUT AND I'LL LEAVE THE MESS FOR YOU.

>> Ted: PROVIDED THE FEDS DON'T CLAW THIS BACK, WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR GOING TO DO WITH THIS MONEY?

>> THEY'RE STILL EVALUATING THAT, WHAT OPTIONS HAVE TO KEEP THE MONEY FOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THIS COMES DOWN TO THE PARTISAN SCHISM WHICH REPUBLICANS LIKE LIKE AND DEMOCRATS REALLY HATE.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT.

THE ESA'S, IT'S 90% OF THE FUNDING AND UNIVERSAL EXPANSION AND 90 90% OF THAT MONEY.

YOU GET 90%.

YOU DON'T GET THAT MONEY.

SO THE AVERAGE IS ONLY ABOUT 4500 OR SO AND THIS WOULD GIVE THESE KIDS UP TO 3500 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ENOUGH TO PAY TUITION AND GETS YOU CLOSER TO THAT AND REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR DUCEY WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF.

>> Ted: STAY LAWMAKER HAS DECIDED TO DECREE THAT NO COUNTY IN THE STATE CAN USE ELECTRONIC TABULATORS.

IT'S NOT A LAW AND APPARENTLY A RESOLUTION IN THE LEGISLATURE AND THUS IT SHALL BE FOREVER AND ALWAYS?

>> BORELI SENT A LETTER ON STATIONARY TO THE 15 COUNTIES THAT HENCEFORT AND FOREVER MORE, YOU CAN USE THIS, WHICH MEANS YOU NEED A HAND COUNT BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS ON THEIR OWN.

INTERESTINGLY, THEY SENT A BILL TO THE GOVERNOR AND THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT IN PART BECAUSE NO MACHINERY -- THE BILL HAD SOME DETAILS IN IT THAT IF EVERY COMPONENT WAS MADE AND THE MANUFACTURED AND EVERY PIECE MADE IN THE U.S.A., YOU COULD USE IT.

THERE IS NO EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE THAT DOES THAT.

SO SHE VETOED THE BILL AND THEY, IN THE MEANTIME, PASSED THIS RESOLUTION TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE AND JUST DECIDED AND HE DECIDED ON HIS OWN.

A RESOLUTION IS, BASICALLY, IT'S A POSTCARD AND A STATEMENT OF WHAT WE BELIEVE.

WHAT IT IS NOT IS ANYTHING WITH THE FORCE OF LAW.

>> Ted: WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A RESOLUTION HAS BEEN HANDLED AS LAW?

>> AS LAW?

AND I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE HUNT WAS GOVERNOR AND I DON'T RECALL.

>> Ted: WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> POLITICS AND THE CATERING TO THE BASE AND HE'S FROM HAVASU CITY AND MOVASU COUNTY AND THEY BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN AND THEIR BELIEF THAT SOMEHOW THIS EQUIPMENT IS SOMEHOW BEING MANIPULATED.

AND NOTHING WRONG WITH SAYING THAT EQUIPMENT SHOULD MEET CERTAIN ELECTRONIC STANDARDS FOR BEING HACKED.

THAT IT SHOULD MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR BEING TESTED.

IT LEAVES OUT THE FACT THERE ARE PROTECTIONS NOW.

EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT GOES THROUGH LOGIC AND ACCURACY.

THEY KNOW THE RESULTS AND RUN THROUGH THROUGH AND YOU DO IT BEFORE AND HALF THE ELECTION.

AFTER THE ELECTION, THEY TAKE A RANDOM SAMPLE OF THE BALLOTS AND THEY DO THE HAND COUNT OF 2% OF THESE AND THEY SAY, DID IT COME OUT THE SAME AS IT BATCH?

IF IT DID, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THIS IS THE ONGOING SUSPICION THAT IT'S STOLEN.

>> Ted: RACHEL JONES SAYS THIS MAKES ALL MACHINES NULL AND VOID.

>> THEIR RESPONSE WAS, YEAH, NO.

STATE STATUTE, WHICH WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR WHENEVER THIS WENT IN EFFECT SAYS THEY HAVE TO USE THIS STUFF AS WE'VE GONE OVER, A NONBINDING RESOLUTION AND WORTH NOTING WHEN THIS CAME OUT, HE AND SAID, I HAVE OBVIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

YEAH, THE SENATOR IS DOING THIS INDEPENDENTLY AND YOU NEED TO TALK TO HIM, WHICH IS A RED FLAG FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT SENATE AND PRESIDENT PETERSON MAY THINK.

UNLESS THEY'RE LOOKING AND THE SENATOR WILL HIRE A LAWYER AND GO TO COURT OVER THERE PLENARY THEORY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POINT IS.

>> IF ANYONE THOUGHT THIS WAS ON THE UP AND UP, THEY WOULDN'T CHANGE ELECTION LAW AS THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR LAST FEW YEARS AND WOULD PASS A BUNCH OF RESOLUTIONS AND NEED 16 REPUBLICANS AND 30 IN THE HOUSE TO PASS IT.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE SAME THEORY AND BELIEVE IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE ELECTION TURNS OUT FOR PRESIDENT, WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO CHOOSE ELECTORS WHO GO TO WASHINGTON.

NEVER MIND IN THE ELECTION CODE, BUT WE HAVE THAT PLENARY AUTHORITY, THE MAGIC WORD THAT THE CONSTITUTION GIVES LAWMAKERS THE POWER TO DETERMINE THE MANNER AND FORM OF ELECTION.

>> Ted: A RESOLUTION IS LAW, YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF RESOLUTION RESOLUTIONS PASSED AND IF IT WERE LAW, WE WOULD BE DRIFTING TO SEA.

>> THERE'S A REASON THE ONLY NAME SIGNING AND THE ONLY PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE'S FAR RIGHT AND THEN ARE FRESHMEN LEGISLATURES.

>> Ted: WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND THAT'S IT.

FOR NOW, I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!