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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING STATE SUPREME COURT, DELAYING ENFORCEMENT OF ARIZONA'S 19th CENTURY ABORTION BAN.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US, HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES, WAYNE SCHUTSKY OF KJZZ RADIO AND LAURIE ROBERTS FROM "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HOWIE, START WITH THE STATE SUPREME COURT.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS GIVE ME 90 MORE DAYS TO FIGHT THIS THING, AND THE COURT SAYS OKAY.

>> SURE, I THINK IT HAS LESS TO DO WITH THE FACT THE JUSTICES BELIEVE THERE IS A FEDERAL CASE OF THIS BECAUSE THEY SAID IN THE RULING THAT WHILE THERE IS A SECTION OF LAW THAT TALKS ABOUT PERSONHOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE NEVER RELY ON IT.

I THINK THE RECOGNITION CAME DOWN TO THE FACT THEY KNEW, THE LEGISLATURE JUST VOTED TO REPEAL THE LAW.

THEY KNOW THE LAW IS GOING AWAY, IT'S A QUESTION OF WHEN.

I THINK THEY DECIDED, LOOK, GIVE IT A TIME TO RUN IT OUT.

THEY SAID WHEN PLANNED PARENTHOOD ASKED FOR LONGER EXTENSION, DENYING THAT, BUT CAN YOU COME BACK IF YOU THINK MORE NEEDS MORE TIME.

TED: YOU TALK ABOUT NEEDS MORE TIME, WAYNE, YOU HAVE THE 45 DAYS THAT MARK BRNOVICH WORKED OUT MANY MOONS AGO.

>> YEAH, THIS IS ONE IN A LONG LINE OF LEGAL PROCEDURAL HURTLES AND HOWIE IS RIGHT THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY FOLKS IN THE LEGAL COMMUNITY, HITTING EVERY ONE OF THESE BOXES TO PUSH IT OUT UNTIL THE REPEAL GOES INTO EFFECT.

TED: THAT'S 45 DAYS AFTER THE NAEND DAYS ANDS HAVE THE LEGISLATURE SAYS GET IT OUT OF HERE, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL 90 DAYS AFTER THEY'RE DONE.

>> LET'S PLAY WHAT IF.

WHAT IF A COUPLE OF THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS WHO VOTED TO REPEAL THE LAW, A, THEY HAD TO, AND, B, MAYBE THEY THINK IT'S THE WAY TO SAFETY MOST BABIES, PLAY A GAME HERE AND SAY, GEE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DECIDE WE DON'T WANT THIS THING TO GO INTO EFFECT SO, WE'LL DELAY THE END OF THE LEGISLATURE.

TED: DO YOU THINK THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN?

IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR.

HOW LONG CAN THEY DO THAT?

>> IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE REPEAL AND SAVE ALL THOSE ABORTIONS FROM HAPPENING, SURE, WHY NOT?

TED: WHAT DO YOU THINK, HOWIE?

>> LEGALLY, YOU CAN DO IT UNTIL NEXT JANUARY 6 OR 7 WHEN THE NEW LEGISLATURE COMES IN.

OBVIOUSLY, CAN THEY DRAG IT ON?

SURE.

I THINK THEY SEE THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL.

I THINK THEY RECOGNIZE THIS.

AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.

TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE SETTING THE TABLE.

REMEMBER, NOVEMBER 5, WE HAVE AN ELECTION, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IS THAT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY.

CERTAINLY THROUGH VIABILITY, 22, 24 WEEKS AND BEYOND THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

IF THE VOTERS THINK THE LAWMAKERS ARE PLAYING GAMES WITH THIS, THAT ONLY ADDS FUEL TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE SAY, IF YOU PLAY GAMES, WE WANT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

TED: BUT WE COULD ALSO SEE REFERRALS FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE SOME OF THE SHINE OFF OF THAT PARTICULAR MEASURE.

ALL SORTS OF THINGS, VARIABLES ARE GOING ON.

>> WE'VE HEARD PROPOSALS FROM REPUBLICANS, GUARDRAILS OR THEIR OWN 15 WEEK IDEAS.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH MOVEMENT SINCE THE DOCUMENTS LEAKED SHOWING WHAT THE PLANS WERE.

LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN MUCH MORE FOCUSED ON HIGH-PROFILE ISSUES, THE BORDER, ELECTIONS, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

TED: DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE WORKING ON ANYTHING THERE?

>> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS A VOTE.

>> WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A TWO-MONTH WINDOW, I HEARD FROM LATE AUGUST UNTIL MID-SEPTEMBER WHEN THE REPEAL COULD TAKE EFFECT, DEPENDING WHEN THE LEGISLATURE ENDS, TRYING TO BRIDGE FOR TWO MONTHS UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 5th ELECTION, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE YOU COULD FIND REASONS WHY THE LEGISLATURE WOULD WANT TO STAY IN EFFECT.

HECK, THEY COLLECT MORE PER DIEM.

>> TALK ABOUT THE BALLOT MEASURE.

AS YOU KNOW IN '74, VOTERS ADOPTED MERIT SELECTION OF JUDGES, AND THE IDEA IS GOVERNOR GETS THE NAME, THEY STAND FOR RE-ELECTION AND THE SUPREME COURT EVERY SIX YEARS.

THERE'S A MEASURE THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THE BALLOT TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T GET IN TROUBLE, YOU DIDN'T DECLARE BANKRUPTCY, YOU WEREN'T THROWN OFF THE COURT, WE'LL LET YOU HAVE A LIFETIME TERM UNTIL YOU ARE 70, AND HERE'S THE COOL THING.

THEY SAY, WE WILL MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE RETROACTIVE UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER.

GUESS WHO'S ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR?

CLINT BOLICK, CATHERINE KING, AND A CAMPAIGN BY PROGRESS ARIZONA TO SAY LET'S GET RID OF THEM, A BECAUSE THEY VOTED THE WAY THEY DID ON ABORTION, AND, B, GUESS WHO GETS A COUPLE OF NEW APPOINTMENTS?

KATIE HOBBS.

TED: WHICH MEANS MORE THINGS ON THE BALLOT.

THIS BALLOT IS READING LIKE A DICKENS NOVEL.

HOW BIG IS THIS GOING TO BE?

>> MIGHT GET THREE PAGES.

WHO KNOWS?

THERE IS A CONCERN WITH BALLOT FATIGUE BECAUSE AS WE'VE MENTIONED BETWEEN THE CITIZEN LED INITIATIVES ON ABORTION, OPEN PRIMARIES, SOME OTHER ISSUES AND THE LEGISLATIVE BALLOT REFERRALS ON POTENTIALLY ABORTION BUT ON ELECTIONS AND THE BORDER, SO YEAH, LOOKING AT A LONG BALLOT HERE.

>> WHAT THEY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IF THERE IS BALLOT FATIGUE, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES, THEY VOTE NO.

IF YOU ARE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THERE HOPING THE VOTERS PASS IT AND YOU KEEP PUTTING THINGS ON AND LAYERING THINGS ON, YOU MAY NOT GET ANYTHING YOU WANT.

>> THAT GETS DOWN TO THE PARANOIA, IF THEY GET PEOPLE TO VOTE NO, THEY VOTE NO ON ABORTION, TOO.

>> THAT'S A STANDOUT.

THE MINUTIA OF ELECTIONS AND WHAT LITTLE PIECES THEY'RE CHANGING, FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IF THEY HAVEN'T KEPT UP ON THINGS COULD BE CONFUSING.

TED: REAL QUICKLY, REGARDING REFERRAL, LEGISLATORS REFERRING SOMETHING ON ABORTION TO THE BALLOT, ARE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ALL THAT EAGER TO SAY LET'S PUT ABORTION LIMIT AT 15.

YOU ARE VOTING FOR ABORTION, HOWIE?

>> EXACTLY.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE, LIKE SENATOR DAVID FARNSWORTH, TO PUT A VOTE ON THE BOARD SAYING WE WILL ALLOW ABORTION THROUGH X NUMBER OF WEEKS.

WHAT HE BELIEVES IN HIS HEART THAT THE MOMENT THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG, THAT LIFE BEGINS, THAT PUTS HIM IN AWFULLY TRICKY CIRCUMSTANCE, NOW YOU SAY, WELL, I BELIEVE THIS, BUT THIS IS MORE POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT.

>> TURN IT AROUND, WHAT YOU ARE VOTING FOR IS ROUGHLY ALLOWING 95% OF ABORTIONS TO OCCUR TO CONTINUE.

YOU ARE VOTING TO LEGALIZE 95% OF ABORTIONS.

MAYBE YOU'RE SAVING A COUPLE OF LATE PREGNANCIES BUT THAT'S IT.

>> THERE'S ONE OTHER TRICKY FEATURE.

SOME OF WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE BALLOT IS STATUTORY VERSUS CONSTITUTIONAL.

NOW EVEN IF IT'S VOTER PROTECTED IT IS THEN EASIER FOR THE LEGISLATURE WITH A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE IT.

THE REASON THE PROPONENTS OF THE BALLOT MEASURE, THE CONSTITUTIONAL MEASURE WANT IT IN THE CONSTITUTION, IS ONCE IT'S THERE, YOU HAVE GUARANTEED A RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY AND LIMITED THE ABILITY OF THE LEGISLATURE TO SAY, EXCEPT FOR THIS, EXCEPT FOR THAT, EXCEPT FOR THE 24-HOUR WAITING PERIOD, EXCEPT FOR THE ULTRASOUND.

TED: IT'S THERE FOR GOOD.

WAYNE, EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING FOR A BALLOT REFERRAL, ANOTHER BALLOT MEASURE, THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE COUNTING OF EARLY BALLOTS ON ELECTION DAY AT POLLING PLACES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS REALLY LIKE TO DO.

>> YEAH, THE TURNING IN OF EARLY BALLOTS ON ELECTION DAY AND PUSH THAT BACK TO THE FRIDAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY, AND THEN THE COUNTIES COULD KEEP ONE EMERGENCY LOCATION OPEN WITHIN THE RECORDER'S OFFICE UP THROUGH THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION, I BELIEVE.

BASICALLY RESTRICTING WHEN, IF YOU HAVE THE MAIL-IN BALLOT BUT DON'T WANT TO MAIL IT IN, CUTTING A FEW DAYS OUT WHEN YOU COULD GO TO LOCAL POLLING PLACE AND DROP THAT OFF.

TED: THE NUMBERS SHOW THE REPUBLICANS LIKE DOING THIS.

>> NUMBERS FOR MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTIONS, I BELIEVE, SHOWED THIS WOULD DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT REPUBLICAN VOTERS.

SENATOR WENDY ROGERS PITCHED IT AS FLORIDA-STYLE ELECTION REFORM TO SPEED UP COUNTING.

LAST TIME IT TOOK SO LONG TO COUNT VOTES IN ARIZONA, SHE WANTS TO CUT IT DOWN FROM A FEW WEEKS TO FEW DAYS TO GET THE VOTES COUNTED.

>> INTERESTING THING THERE, IT'S ALWAYS TAKEN A LONG TIME TO COUNT RACES HERE.

THE AVERAGE IS 15 OR 16 DAYS, RACES ARE SO CLOSE YOU CAN'T CALL THEM TOO EARLY, BUT ALSO YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE TURNING IN THE LATE EARLY BALLOTS.

CALLED LATE EARLIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.

YOU GOT AN EARLY BALLOT AND TAKE IT IN LATE TO THE POLLING PLACE ON ELECTION DAY.

IT CAN'T BE STARTED TO BE COUNTED UNTIL ELECTION DAY.

THIS PAST 2022, THERE WERE CLOSE TO 300,000 THAT DAY.

CAN'T START COUNTING THEM UNTIL THE NEXT DAY.

OF THAT, 41% CAME FROM REPUBLICANS.

THE REPUBLICANS SAID DON'T MAIL IN THE EARLY BALLOT, YOU CAN'T TRUST THAT.

BRING IT TO THE POLLS.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

TED: HOWIE, WE'VE HEARD RECORDERS, PLEASE, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE AN EARLY BALLOT, MAIL IT IN.

IT'S EARLY BALLOT FOR THE REASON, IT DOES SLOW THE PROCESS WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO THE POLLING PLACE.

>> AS LAURIE COUNTS OUT, YOU HAVE TO VERIFY THE SIGNATURES ON THE ENVELOPE, WHICH MEANS THAT BEFORE YOU EVEN OPEN THEM UP, YOU HAVE TO DO THE COMPARISON, HOW MANY SECONDS TO TAKES IS A WHOLE AND SEPARATE LAWSUIT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE BILL, IF YOU GO ON ELECTION DAY WITH THE EARLY BALLOTS, YOU DON'T GET TO VOTE THE EARLY BALLOT, YOU ARE GIVEN A REGULAR BALLOT AND PRESENT ID, THERE IS NO SIGNATURE TO VALIDATE.

THERE ARE REASONS TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE TOO LOOSEY GOOSEY HERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, CAN YOU REQUEST EARLY BALLOT 11 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, AND THEN IF YOU ARE LIVING RURAL ARIZONA, GOD FORBID YOU PUT IT IN THE MAIL, IT WILL NEVER GET BACK BY 7:00 P.M. ON ELECTION DAY.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THIS WITHOUT THROWING ADDITIONAL HURTLES IN THERE.

SO MANY THINGS YOU CAN DO, PLUS THE MEASURE IS FILLED WITH CONSPIRATORIAL THINGS.

ONE OF THE PROVISIONS SAYS YOU CANNOT TAKE MONEY FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS OR FOREIGN SOURCES TO RUN ELECTIONS.

GUESS WHAT?

YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOW, BUT THEY THREW IT IN THERE, SORT OF RED MEAT, TO SELL VOTERS, IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THIS, YOU ARE FOR FOREIGN MONEY.

TED: OTHER THAN THE FOREIGN MONEY ASPECT, THE COUNTY RECORDERS, WHAT DO THEY SAY?

>> ELECTED OFFICIALS SAY 11 DAYS, IF WE'RE MAILING EARLY BALLOT 11 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION, THEY MIGHT NOT GET IT FOR ANOTHER FEW DAYS AND ANOTHER FEW DAYS TO GET IT BACK TO EARLY POLLING PLACE.

IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO EMERGENCY LOCATION, THAT COULD BE A FEW HOURS' DRIVE FOR THEM.

YOU ARE PUTTING HURTLES FOR VOTERS THAT OTHER VOTERS DON'T HAVE TO FACE.

>> CERTAIN COUNT EARS NOT EQUIPPED TO COUNT THE VOTES.

AS YOU UNDERSTAND THIS LAW, WHEN YOU DROP OFF THE EARLY BALLOT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COUNT IT RIGHT THERE.

SOME PLACES DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT, SO IT'S GOING TO BE COSTLY.

AS I UNDERSTAND THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THEY'RE ONLY APPROPRIATING 11 MILLION, A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST.

ONE TAB LATER COSTS $10,000 AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO AT EVERY PLACE?

>> THE COUNTY RECORDER FROM PIMA COUNTY SAID IT WAS EXACTLY, THAT AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THE COUNTIES SAID NO COUNTY IS ACTUALLY OUTFITTED TO DO THIS, EVEN THE ONES COUNTING BALLOTS ON SITE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL TABULATORS TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL HURTLES AND REDUNDANCY.

>> YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME STAFF TAKE THE BALLOT AND TABULATING THE BALLOT.

THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS ALL GOES BACK TO ALL THE 2020 ELECTION CONSPIRACY STUFF, THAT WE'RE KWIBSED SOMETHING WENT WRONG, AND IF WE JUST KEEP MONKEYING WITH IT LONG ENOUGH, WE CAN MAKE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONFIDENT IN THE ELECTION.

TED: HOW LIKELY THE LEGISLATURE WILL SEND THIS TO THE BALLOT?

THAT'S QUESTION A.

QUESTION B, HOW LIKELY VOTERS SAY I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST CONVENIENCE?

>> QUESTION B IS DEPENDENT ON QUESTION A.

HAVE YOU KEN BENNETT.

A FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE.

I DON'T THINK HE'S AGAINST THE IDEA OF TIGHTENING UP THE RULES, BUT WHAT HE SAID AT THE HEARING WAS, LOOK, MY REPUBLICAN COUNTY RECORDER, MY REPUBLICAN ELECTIONS DIRECTOR SAY THIS IS NOT WORKABLE.

THIS DOESN'T WORK THE WAY WENDY ROGERS SAYS IT WORKS, AND HE WON'T VOTE FOR IT, WON'T LET IT GET OUT OF THE SENATE UNLESS THEY GET CHANGES.

THERE MAY NOT BE A PART B. TED: I WONDER IF THERE IS A PART B, YOU THINK VOTERS GO FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> UNLIKE BORDER INITIATIVE WHERE I COULD SEE VOTERS BEING TOP OF MIND, I DON'T SEE THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS SAY LET'S MAKE IT HARDER TO VOTE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY VOTERS.

TED: STICKING WITH YOU AND KEN BENNETT AND THE IDEA OF A BALLOT REFERRAL.

THE IMMIGRATION REFERRAL, WHO KNOWS IF IT'S LEGAL OR NOT, WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE FIFTH CIRCUIT IN TEXAS, BUT THAT'S STALLED AND KEN BENNETT -- >> HAD BETTER WATCH OUT, THESE PEOPLE ARE GUNNING FOR HIM LIKE THE OTHERS WHO HAVE GONE AGAINST THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM OF THE REPUBLICANS.

HE HAS TWO CONCERNS WITH THE BILL.

THIS IS THE BILL THAT WOULD BASICALLY SAY, IT IS A STATE CRIME TO ENTER THE U.S.

ILLEGALLY.

THE PROBLEM, OF COURSE, IS UNLESS YOU WATCHED THEM COME ACROSS THE BORDER, HOW DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE ENTERED ILLEGALLY UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING AT OTHER SORTS OF THINGS THAT INEVITABLY LEAD TO UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROFILING?

HIS FIRST POINT IS LET'S NARROW IT DOWN, IT'S A BILL ABOUT THE BORDER AND NOT HAVE THIS BE A 1070 SORT OF BILL THAT'S ALL OVER THE STATE, HAVE YOU POLICE RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE GUY WHO HAS BROWN SKIN IN THE CAR MIGHT BE HERE ILLEGALLY.

OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

HE WANTS TO NARROW THAT.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THERE'S THIS LITTLE THING IN THE BILL THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE DEFERRED DACA, SHOULD THE PROGRAM GO AWAY, WE'LL ARREST THOSE PEOPLE AND GET RID OF THEM, TOO.

THEY ARE BROUGHT OVER AS BABIES AND SIX-YEAR-OLDS AND 10-YEAR-OLDS AND BEEN HERE VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEIR LIVES AND DOING THEIR BEST TO CONTRIBUTE AND WE'VE EDUCATED THEM.

DO WE WANT TO GO WHERE WE'RE PENALIZING AND PROSECUTING THESE KIDS?

ONE DAY YOU WAKE UP, THE PROGRAM IS GONE, BAM, YOU'RE IN JAIL AND OVER THE BORDER.

>> POINT A, WHICH LAURIE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROSPECTIVE ONLY.

HAVE PEOPLE STAND ON THE BORDER WHERE YOU CROSSED ILLEGALLY.

WE'VE SEEN THE VIDEO OF FOLKS COMING ACROSS.

SUPPOSEDLY AIMED AT THEM.

NO DACA RECIPIENTS IS GOING TO GO INTO MEXICO AND COME BACK THROUGH A NONBORDER CROSSING, BUT SOMEHOW THEY'RE TRYING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, LET'S SET UP SOME PROCEDURE THAT IF DACA GOES AWAY, AND REMEMBER, TRUMP TRIED TO GET RID OF IT AND THE COURT SAID HE COULDN'T, BUT FUTURE COURT MAY ALLOW IT.

>> IF YOU DID GO AHEAD AND DEPORT THESE FOLKS, YOU ARE SENDING THEM TO MEXICO, THOUGH THEY COULD BE FROM ANYWHERE.

>> THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL SAID THEY HAD TO BE RETURNED TO THE COUNTRY THROUGH WHICH THEY ENTERED, WHICH WOULD BE MEXICO IN THIS CASE AND AS REPUBLICANS, A LOT OF FOLKS COMING THROUGH THE BORDER ARE NOT FROM MEXICO, THEY'RE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

HE WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO BE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.

HOW DO WE DO THAT?

THE FEDS HAVE A MECHANISM WHEN RETURNING PEOPLE TO THE COUNTRIES AND HEARD HEADLINES THEY'RE PUTTING THEM ON PLANES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE THE MECHANISMS IN PLACE.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE KIDS?

HAVE YOU IN THE BILL, IF WE CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PUT THESE PEOPLE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE KIDS?

MOM AND DAD ARE COOLING HEELS IN PRISON.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE CHILDREN?

PUT THEM IN THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM.

GREAT.

THANKS.

HOWIE, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS SAYS, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE HERE.

>> LET'S JUST SAY THIS IS YET ANOTHER PIECE OF GOVERNMENT -- PUMP IT UP TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO.

TED: IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS?

>> HERE'S THE DEAL.

CAME UP WITH MILLION DOLLARS OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT OVER FIVE YEARS.

HERE'S A SMALL PROBLEM, BETWEEN 1500 NEW PEOPLE EVERY YEAR AND THE HEALTH CARE COSTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SMALL PROBLEM.

THE LAW SAYS ONE OF TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

IF YOU ARE FIRST-TIME YOU CHARGE WITH A MISDEMEANOR, AND CAN YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO TRIAL AND PERHAPS END UP IN JAIL OR STATE PRISON IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE.

OR CHOOSE TO BE DEPORTED?

GUESS WHAT?

HOW MANY PEOPLE FACED WITH THE CHOICE SAY I'D RATHER GO STATE PRISON THAN BE DEPORTED?

I DON'T THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO PRISON BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE TO BE DEPORTED.

>> WE NEED TO SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME, FROM THE METHODOLOGY USED TO CREATE THEM.

THE BILL SAYS ANYONE ARRESTED OR CONVICTED.

SO THAT MEANS PEOPLE ONCE ARRESTED COULD BE FORCED TO HELD IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AS WELL.

>> HERE'S THE OTHER THING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES KEN BENNETT WANTS, HE WANTS ARRESTED AND CONVICTED.

WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE OF THIS IS?

>> IS THIS ACADEMIC?

IT'S GOING TO PASS.

>> IF BENNETT GETS THE AMENDMENT HE WANTS, I CAN SEE IT PASSING.

HE SAID THERE ARE THINGS WITHIN HIS AMENDMENT HE WILL NOT VOTE ON, HE WILL NOT VOTE FOR UNLESS HE GETS.

WOULDN'T TELL US WHICH THINGS IT WAS.

I COULD SEE HIM VOTING ON IT.

IF THOSE GET OTHER REPUBLICANS OFF THE BILL, LIKE THE DACA CHANGE.

I COULD SEE MEMBERS OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS TO GET SQUIRMY ON THE BILL.

>> I WANT TO SEE IF REPUBLICANS REALLY, REALLY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT TO BRING OUT THEIR OWN PEOPLE, EXCITE THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AND YOU GOT THE ABORTION PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE, THE YOUNG VOTERS RACING TO APPROVE THE ABORTION CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ARE GOING TO BE THAT INTERESTED IN VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN.

THEY NEED THIS BORDER BILL.

THEY NEED SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT.

>> THERE'S MORE TO THE BILL ALSO.

REMEMBER, FIRST OF ALL, THE PROVISIONS ABOUT THE BORDER ENFORCEMENT ONLY TAKE EFFECT IF SOME COURT FINDS TEXAS' SB4 TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THEY LOADED THIS UP WITH STIFF TERMS FOR FENTANYL SELLING IF SOMEBODY WINDS UP DEAD AND REQUIREMENT TO USE THE e-VERIFY SYSTEM TO GET PUBLIC BENEFITS.

AGAIN, A LOT OF STUFF FOR PEOPLE TO BRING OUT, AS LAURIE WOULD SAY, THE TRIED AND TRUE REPUBLICANS.

TED: ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON HERE.

LAURIE, LET'S ASK THE QUESTION APPARENTLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS ASKING.

WHERE IS RUDY?

>> WELL, LAST I SAW HIM, HE'S EVERYWHERE ACCORDING TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

THE LAST I SAW IS CALIFORNIA, NOT ANY PLACE WHERE AN ARIZONA LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL CAN SERVE ANY SORT OF SUMMONS ON HIM TO APPEAR IN COURT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT GAME HE'S PLAYING WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT KRIS MAYES WILL DO OR HAVE TO DO IF HE DOESN'T SURRENDER HIMSELF IS SEND PEOPLE WITH HANDCUFFS TO BRING HIM BACK.

USUALLY IN THE WHITE COLLAR CASES THE PEOPLE WILL TURN THEMSELVES IN, AND THERE'S THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT Y'ALL GO ALONG, I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR THE COURT SYSTEM TO GO WITH IT.

HE'S HIDING.

TED: HE'S IN A CONDO IN FLORIDA, IN CALIFORNIA, HE SAYS HERE I AM.

>> I BELIEVE ONE OF HE'S COLLEAGUES SAID IN HIS PODCAST.

HE SAID EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS.

50 FEET FROM THE FREEWAY.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE METHODS THEY'RE USING TO TRACK HIM DOWN.

>> HE'S SMARTING BY THE FACT THAT WABC KNOCKED HIM OFF THE YEAR BECAUSE HE KEPT TALKING ABOUT 2020 CONSPIRACIES, AFTER THEY SAID NO, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.

TED: HOW LIKELY THEY WIND UP HAVING TO ARREST THE GUY.

HE HAS UNTIL MAY 21, HOWIE, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE QUICK.

>> I THINK THERE MAY BE PROCEDURES.

IN CIVIL CASES YOU CAN SERVE SOMEONE THROUGH A NOTICE.

NOW I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF SENDING SOMEONE TO ARREST SOMEBODY.

LOOK, THE FACT IS NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO SET A BOND ON HIM.

MAYBE IF HE TRIES TO HIDE, THEY WOULD, BUT HE WASN'T EVEN NAMED IN THE INDICTMENT HE SAW, BUT EVERYBODY KNEW WHO HE WAS BECAUSE HE'S AMERICA'S MAYOR.

IT'S NOT LIKELY.

HERE'S THE DEAL, THEY MAY START, LOOK, ONCE HE HAS AN ATTORNEY, AT SOME POINT HE'S GOING TO HAVE ATTORNEY, CAN YOU SERVE THE ATTORNEY, CAN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LEFT.

I KNOW HIS DOORMAN WOULDN'T ACCEPT SOMETHING, THERE WILL BE A PROCEDURE WHERE YOU LEAVE SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE, YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED.

YOU SHOW UP, YOU DON'T SHOW UP, THEN WE SERVE A BENCH WARRANT.

>> MY QUESTION IS MAYBE HE STAYS AT MAR-A-LAGO,NESS IS IT A SANCTUARY RESORT?

I THINK THE PROBLEM FOR HIM IS THAT HAVING GAINED THE SYSTEM THIS WAY, I DON'T THINK THE JUDGE ASSIGNED TO THE CASE IS GOING TO BE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN BEING LENIENT OR GIVING HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ON ANYTHING.

SEEMS LIKE A CRAZY SCHEME ON HIS POINT TO ACT LIKE THIS.

>> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE JUDGE HAS DELAYED SOME OF THE ARRAIGNMENTS THROUGH EARLY JUNE.

WE HAVE A FEW WEEKS TO PLAY WITH, SO THIS COULD RESOLVE ITSELF OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BUT I THINK THE MAYOR, AS HE'S REFERRED TO, IS DEFINITELY A WILD CARD.

TED: COUPLE MINUTES LEFT, LAURIE.

LOOKS LIKE JAN BREWER, FORMER GOVERNOR, SAYING TO MAGA COME AND GET ME.

I'VE GOT IDEAS AND HERE'S WHO I'M SUPPORTING.

>> THIS WEEK SHE ENDORSED TOM GALVIN FOR MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR, RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION AGAINST FORMER STATE SENATOR MICHELLE UGENTI-RITA, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD CALL HER MAGA OR MAGA ADJACENT, I DON'T KNOW THEY WANT HER, BUT THEY ARE SUPPORTING HER BECAUSE SHE'S NOT TOM GALVIN.

THE MAGA PEOPLE HAVE BASICALLY A SLATE OF CANDIDATES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING AGAINST THE TWO SITTING SUPERVISORS WHO ARE RUNNING.

GALVIN AND JACK SELLERS, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO OPEN SEATS THAT ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING REPUBLICAN AND GOT PEOPLE RUNNING FOR THOSE TWO SEATS.

THEY ARE TAKING ON COUNTY ATTORNEY RACHEL MITCHELL AND WHO'S THE OTHER?

TED: STEPHEN RICHER.

>> THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF POLITICS IN THEIR VIEW.

THEY HAVE PEOPLE TO KNOCK OFF THE FELLOW REPUBLICANS.

SHE HAS STARTED MAKING ENDORSEMENTS FOR THE MORE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN AND AGAINST THE MAGA REPUBLICAN.

SHE'S STANDING UP AND TRYING TO DEFEND THE COUNTY AND PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE A FEW MORE PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING.

>> REMEMBER, SHE'S NEVER BEEN A FRIEND OF THE RIGHT-WING CRAZY.

SHE FOUGHT WITH ANDY BIGGS OVER EXPANSION OF ACCESS, ABOUT NOT CUTTING $3 BILLION OUT OF THE BUDGET, SO WE HAVE TO GUT EDUCATION.

SHE'S NEVER BEEN A FAN OF THAT.

WHILE SHE'S KNOWN FOR SENATE BILL 1070 STUFF, A MODERATE ON ISSUES, PARTICULARLY SOCIAL ISSUES AND NEVER BEEN A FAN OF THE CRAZIES.

TED: EARLY FAN OF TRUMP, THOUGH.

EARLY FAN OF TRUMP.

>> IT WAS A FEW HOURS.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM, HE WAS THE FAVORITE AND WHO KNOWS?

WHEN TRUMP RAN, HE WAS PRO-CHOICE.

LOOK, WHICH DONALD TRUMP WERE YOU VOTING FOR?

TED: HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS THIS GOING TO MAKE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES?

>> THAT'S THE PART I'M A LITTLE UNSURE OF.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ENDORSEMENTS MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES OTHER THAN DONALD TRUMP.

>> THE MAGA PEOPLE, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THEM AND DOESN'T MARCH WITH THEM IN LOCKSTEP, THEY ARE RHINOS.

I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THEY DON'T MAKE A CREDIBLE CASE THAT JAN BREWER IS A RHINO.

>> THEY DON'T NEED TO MAKE CREDIBLE CASES.

THEY CALLED RUSTY BOWERS A RHINO BECAUSE OF ELECTION FRAUD.

THAT'S ALL THEY NEED TO LABEL A RHINO.

I DON'T KNOW THIS ONE ENDORSEMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE MAGA FOLKS OR OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE TIRED OF THEM.

TED: GOT TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE, PANEL.

GOOD STUFF.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, PANEL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.