YOU PROBABLY SEE IT EVERYDAY WHILE DRIVING.

YOU’RE WAITING FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO TURN GREEN, WHEN A CAR FLIES THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, RUNNING THE RED LIGHT.

A NEW PROJECT AIMED AT CATCHING VIOLATORS AND INCREASING SAFETY COULD START SOON ON OAHU, BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ON BOARD.

THAT’S NEXT ON INSIGHTS.

WHEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT TURNS YELLOW, DRIVERS ARE SUPPOSED TO SLOW DOWN AND COME TO A STOP.

BUT SOME WILL SPEED UP, TRYING TO RACE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION AND END UP RUNNING THE RED LIGHT.

THIS TYPE OF DANGEROUS ACTION HAS PROMPTED ENFORCEMENT MEASURES BEFORE.

REMEMBER THE VAN CAMS?

WELL, A NEW RED LIGHT CAMERA PILOT PROGRAM IS SET TO START THIS YEAR ON OAHU.

SO, WHAT’S DIFFERENT?

HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI’I START NOW.

¶¶ ¶¶ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII...I'M LARA YAMADA.

THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS SET TO LAUNCH A NEW RED LIGHT CAMERA PILOT PROGRAM THIS SUMMER.

TEN INTERSECTIONS IN HONOLULU HAVE BEEN PICKED AS TEST SITES BASED ON CRASH HISTORIES AND VIOLATIONS.

THE CAMERAS WILL TAKE A SNAPSHOT OF VEHICLES THAT ENTER AN INTERSECTION AFTER THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL HAS TURNED RED.

A CITATION WILL THEN BE MAILED TO THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE.

A BILL TO FUND THE PROGRAM IS AWAITING ACTION BY GOVERNOR IGE.

SUPPORTERS SAY IT’S A WAY TO MAKE OUR ROADS SAFER.

BUT OPPONENTS ARGUE THE MEASURE IS WE’LL HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

ED SNIFFEN IS THE HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION’S DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR HIGHWAYS, OVERSEEING AN AGENCY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR STATE HIGHWAYS.

HE’S A CIVIL ENGINEER EARNING HIS DEGREE FROM SANTA CLARA UNIVERSITY.

DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR GIL RIVIERE REPRESENTS DISTRICT 23 WHICH STRETCHES FROM KANEOHE THROUGH THE NORTH SHORE TO KUNIA.

HE’S SERVED IN THE SENATE SINCE 2014 AND PRIOR TO THAT IN THE STATE HOUSE.

JAMES TABE WAS APPOINTED AS THE STATE PUBLIC DEFENDER LAST YEAR AND HAS WORKED IN THE PUBLIC DEFENDER’S OFFICE SINCE 1993.

PRIOR TO THAT HE WAS A DEPUTY PUBLIC DEFENDER IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY.

AND CHAD TANIGUCHI IS THE SAFE STREETS ADVOCATE AND THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE HAWAII BICYCLING LEAGUE.

HE’S BEEN INVOLVED IN HELPING APPROVE LAWS REGARDING COMPLETE STREETS, PASSING BICYCLE RIDERS WITH AT LEAST 3 FEET CLEARANCE AND ENABLING RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

START WITH YOU ED.

SET THE STAGE HERE A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT IS THE LATEST TIMELINE FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE CAMERA SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THANKS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

TO TALK ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE.

FOR US, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCUREMENT THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE A VENDOR SELECTED.

WE COULDN'T FUND, WE THANK THE LEGISLATURE FOR ALLOWING US FUNDING TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.

NOW FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, WE HAVE OUR VENDOR ON BOARD.

MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR ENGINEERING STUDIES FIRST AT THE INTERSECTIONS.

PUSH OUT EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN REQUIRED BY THE LEGISLATION AND RULES BEFORE WE START PUSHING OUT OUR RED LIGHT CAMS.

SO EVERYONE CAN EXPECT THAT THOSE CAMERAS WILL BE OPERATIONAL BY END OF THE YEAR.

THAT'S THE TIME FRAME WE'RE LOOK AT.

>>Lara: MAYBE WE SAID SUMMERTIME.

MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER TOWARDS THE LATER PART OF YEAR.

SO GIVE US SORT OF NUTS AND BOLTS HOW THIS CAMERA SYSTEM IS GOING WORK.

>> LOOKING AT TEN LOCATIONS IN THE HONOLULU DISTRICT.

TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE CENTRALIZED IT IN HONOLULU COURT DISTRICT TO ENSURE THAT WE JUST GOT ONE LOCATION WHERE EVERYONE HAS TO CONSIDER HOW WE PROSECUTE.

LOOKING AT 14 INTERSECTIONS WE'RE STARTING OFF VENDOR GOING TO HELP US SELECTED DOWN TEN OF THEM.

ONCE WE START ROLLING IT OUT THERE, SET UP CAMERAS AT EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS.

SIGNS DEMARCATING LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT RED LIGHT CAMERAS IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

AS I SAID, WE'LL PUT OUT EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE.

BEFORE IT GOES.

IN GENERAL, YOU WILL NOT GET A CITATION IF YOU ENTER THE INTERSECTION BEFORE THE LIGHT TURNS RED.

ONCE THE LIGHT TURNS RED, IF YOU START ENTERING THE INTERSECTION, CAMERA WILL TAKE A PICTURE OF YOUR CAR, LICENSE PLATE TO EASILY IDENTIFY THE VEHICLE.

ANY PASSENGERS INSIDE THE VEHICLE WILL BLURRED NOT NECESSARY FOR THE LEGISLATION OR PROSECUTION.

>> SENDING A CITATION TO THE REGISTERED OWNER.

>>Lara: OKAY.

THAT'S BASELINE.

>> LET'S TURN TO YOU SENATOR RIVIERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ARE AGAINST THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY?

>> I'M OPPOSED TO IT AND I VOTED AGAINST IT AT EACH OF THE STEPS ALONG THE WAY.

STUDY, APPROVAL AND FUNDING.

BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL AND UPSETTING FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE.

I WOULD NOTE THAT 2012, THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 533 MUNICIPALITIES WITH RED LIGHT CAMERAS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

533.

SIX YEARS LATER DOWN TO 418.

SO IF 20% OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE PULLING THEM OUT, I THINK YOU GOT ASK WHY.

I GUESS WE'LL GET INTO THAT TONIGHT.

I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS.

AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING FORWARD AND I'M HOPING THAT MY COMMENTS WILL BE CONSTRUCTIVE MAKING SYSTEM LESS PUNITIVE FOR SOME OF THE MINOR INFRACTIONS.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING MY COMMENTS TONIGHT.

>>Lara: WE'RE DEFINITELY GET INTO THAT.

TALK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE BILL.

BILL WOULD APPROPRIATE $2 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT.

GOVERNOR IGE HAS THAT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT?

DO YOU KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO SIGN THAT, VETO THAT?

WHAT IS YOUR SENSE AT THIS POINT?

>> MY SENSE IS LEANING TOWARDS SIGNING IT.

AT THIS TIME, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THE BILL.

YOU CAN SEE ALL THE LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS WE HAVE FOR THE BILL ITSELF.

PREPONDERANCE OF THE PEOPLE SUPPORTED IT.

WHO COMMENTED ON THE BILL.

THINK LEANING TOWARDS SIGNING IT.

>>Lara: SENATOR RIVIERE, YOUR FEELING, SAME SENSE?

>> YEAH.

I EXPECT THIS TO GO FORWARD.

I'M HOPING THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME THIS ANGRY MOB SIMILAR TO THE VAN CAMS FROM SO MANY YEARS AGO.

AND I WOULD COMPLIMENT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED THESE BILLS AND THEY'RE REALLY TRIED TO ADDRESS IN THE FINAL LEGISLATION, SOME OF THE MORE ONEROUS PROBLEMS, INCENTIVE TO THE CONTRACTOR FOR EXAMPLE, AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE THEIR BEST TO MAKE THE PROGRAM MAYBE LESS PAINFUL FOR EVERYONE.

HERE IS THE I GUESS THE COUNTER QUESTION.

$2 MILLION.

HOW MUCH EFFORT CAN $2 MILLION BUY WITH EDUCATION AND POLICE, EXTRA POLICING, EVERY YEAR, THEY HAVE THIS CLICK IT AND TICKET PROGRAM.

FEDERAL MONEY RAINS DOWN.

TRY TO CATCH THE ONE OR 2% OF THE CARS AREN'T WEARING SEATBELTS.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MAY BE AT THESE MORE DANGEROUS INTERSECTION, WHERE THEY'RE IDENTIFIED, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MORE PROACTIVE.

HAVING POLICEMEN ON SITE AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS IN THAT AREA.

FINALLY, I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL THAT THESE THINGS WILL EVER COME OUT.

IF THEY'RE INSTALLED, DON'T REALLY WORK, NOT REALLY MAKE MUCH OF AN IMPACT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE PULLED OUT.

BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD JUST BE AN EXPENSE TO THE TAXPAYORS.

THAT'S PRACTICAL QUESTIONS IN THE IMPLEMENTATION.

>>Lara: SENATOR RIVIERE, HIT OF NUMBER OF THINGS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOME OF OUR GUESTS INVOLVED.

I'LL TURN TO YOU.

HAVE YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT AND BEFORE YOU DO, WANTED COUPLE OF COMMENTS WE HAD COMING IN.

FROM TODD IN MOILIILI.

SAYS, QUOTE, A LONG TIME COMING.

THIS PROBLEM IS CHRONIC AND A TRAVESTY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER SAYING, ABOUT RUNNING RED LIGHTS SAYING HE FREQUENTLY SEES DRIVERS RUN RED LIGHTS NEAR BERETANIA.

POLICE ARE PRESENT.

BUT DON'T PURSUE THE DRIVER.

RAN THE RED LIGHT.

CONCERN IS THAT IT HAPPENS OFTEN AND POLICE DON'T PURSUE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE LOOK AT POLICE PRESENCE IN JUST A MINUTE.

OVERALL, IF YOU SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IMPLEMENTATION OF IN THIS RED LIGHT CAMERA PROGRAM.

>> HONOLULU AND HAWAII IS NOT THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE ON THE ROADS.

ED AND DON'T HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT.

WE'RE IN THE BOTTOM 20% IN TERMS OF SAFETY.

RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE ONE TOOL.

EDUCATION IS ANOTHER.

SO WE NEED ALL OF THESE THINGS TO BASICALLY CHANGE BEHAVIOR, SO THAT WHEN YOU SEE A RED LIGHT AS YOU'RE LEAD IN SAID, IMMEDIATE THOUGHT IS SLOW DOWN.

BE PREPARED TO STOP.

TOO MANY PEOPLE TAKE IT YELLOW MEANS I BETTER SPEED UP SO I MAKE THE LIGHT.

AND WHEN THEY RUN THAT RED LIGHT, THEY MAY NOT HIT ANYBODY.

THEY MAY NOT KILL ANYBODY.

BUT THE MORE THAT THAT HAPPENS, EVENTUALLY, THE LAW OF AVERAGES IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THEN WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT'S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY.

AND IT MIGHT BE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THE WAY WE'RE COMING AT IT FROM IS THERE IS NO FAMILY WHO WANTS TO HAVE ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS KILLED BY A SENSELESS RED LIGHT RUNNING CRASH.

THAT'S WHY THE MONEY IS WORTH IT.

SORRY.

>> EVEN THE POLICE, THEY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO PURSUE RED LIGHT RETURNS THROUGH INTERSECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BREAK THE LAW THEMSELVES OR THEY HAVE TO SKIRT THE PEOPLE WOULD ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING IN THE RIGHT WAY.

SO THEIR TESTIMONY IS REALLY STRONG THAT THEY SUPPORT RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

>>Lara: JAMES, DO YOU, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE LEGALITIES OF THIS.

ALSO, YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

SOME OF THINGS THAT SENATOR RIVIERE AS FAR AS POTENTIAL CHALLENGES TO THIS AND WHY THERE MIGHT BE SOME POTENTIAL CHALLENGES TO THIS.

WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN FOCUSING ON AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS BEING RAISED, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, THERE MAY BE SOME SITUATIONS THERE WHERE SAY THAT PERSON ISN'T DRIVING THE CAR OR THERE MIGHT BE MANY SO OTHER ISSUES.

>> TALK ABOUT THAT IN YOUR POSITION.

>> OFFICE OF PUBLIC DEFENDER, WERE STRONGLY AGAINST THIS BILL IN THE BEGINNING.

>> WE STILL ARE.

WE DON'T OPPOSE IT AT THIS POINT.

EVERYONE THINKS OF THE VAN CAM.

>>Lara: REMIND FOLKS WHAT THAT WAS.

>> CATCH SPEEDERS HAD VANS TO CATCH SPEEDERS.

PROBLEM WITH THAT LAW THERE IS THAT THEY TOOK THE PICTURES OF THE LICENSE PLATE, AND SIMILAR TO HERE, THEY SENT TICKET TO THE REGISTERED OWNER.

VAN CAM WAS TARGETING DRIVER.

SO THE LAW BASICALLY, STATED THAT THE REGISTERED OWNER IS PRESUMED TO BE THE DRIVER.

WELL, WE THOUGHT IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND DISTRICT COURT JUDGE FOUND IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE YOU'RE PRESUMING SOMEONE COMMITTED THE CRIME.

AND IN OUR COUNTRY, IN HAWAII, YOU'RE RESUMED INNOCENT.

SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE PROVING YOUR INNOCENCE AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THE LAW, THAT LAW WAS FLAWED.

THIS LAW AGAIN, TICKET IS GOING TO THE REGISTERED OWNER BUT THEY'RE NOT TARGETING DRIVER PER SE.

THE LAW THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S AKIN TO A PARKING TICKET.

SO TICKET IS GOING TO THE CAR.

AND WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAR HAS TO IS LIBEL FOR THE OFFENSE.

TO MAKE SURE IT MAY PASS CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER, THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE NOT TO USE THIS TO INCREASE RATES.

I THINK OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT DO THIS HAVE A POINT SYSTEM.

SO IF YOU RUN A RED LIGHT, YOU GET TWO POINTS OR THREE POINTS.

ON THE CAMERA VIOLATION, YOU GET NO POINTS.

HERE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE DON'T HAVE A POINT SYSTEM, WE'RE TRYING TO TREAT THIS AS A PARKING TICKET.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU PARK A CAR, SOMEONE PARKS YOUR CAR ILLEGALLY, OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE.

SO THIS IS SAME WAYS GOING TO OPERATE.

WE THINK THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION MAY BE RESOLVED.

>>Lara: SEND THIS BACK TO YOU SENATOR.

YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COUNTIES AND CITIES OUT THERE WHO HAD THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE AND HAVE DROPPED IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

>> WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT AS TO, WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHY SOME OF THESE DROPPED?

BECAUSE OF LEGAL CHALLENGES?

SYSTEM SET UP A WAY DIFFERENT,POTENTIALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ASPECTS?

WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING?

>> MY UNDERSTANDING, SOME OF THEM FELL DOWN ON SOME OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO TARGET THE DRIVER BUT ONLY HAD THE CAR.

VICE VERSA.

SOME OF THEM WAS JUST TO SHEAR UPROAR OF THE COMMUNITY.

SAYING THAT TOO MUCH.

WE GET INTO, WHENEVER WE HAVE REPORTS AND EXPERTS AND STUDIES, AS I WAS PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, I WAS TRY TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE DATA SAY.

WHAT DO THE DATA SAY?

DEPENDS.

DEPEND.

>> THEY SAY, WELL, I THINK BY ALL ACCOUNTS PROBABLY REDUCES THE T BONE COLLISIONS WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

THAT IS A GOOD THING.

IN ALMOST EVERY STUDY, SEEMS TO INDICATE THERE'S MORE REAR END COLLISIONS AS PEOPLE HIT THE BRAKES REAL HARD.

NOW, ONE IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE OTHER.

MAYBE THINGS WILL ADJUST IN TIME.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK MONEY GRAB.

MUNICIPALITIES, ALL OF A SUDDEN, MUNICIPALTY, CHICAGO WAS MAKING $200 MILLION A YEAR.

SOME RIDICULOUS NUMBER.

PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.

SOME OF THE CITIES IN MUNICIPALITIES ARE TAKING IN A LOT OF MONEY.

IF IT'S ALL ABOUT SAFETY, AND THERE'S ALSO THIS WINDFALL OF CASH YOU BEGIN TO QUESTION THE MOTIVATIONS OF IT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO EACH OF THOSE.

BUT I THINK IT IS FACTUAL THAT MANY, MANY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PULLED THEM AWAY.

>> LET ME ADD TO THAT.

I THINK INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE 20 PERFECT THAT PULLED PROGRAM, FOCUS 80% FOUND IT SUCCESSFUL.

PULL BACK NUMBERS OF THOSE PEOPLE CRASHES THAT SENATOR BROUGHT UP.

PULLED BACK, NOT ONLY PEOPLE IN CRASHES BUT ALSO FATALITIES OF BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, IN THOSE RED LIGHT RUNNING ACCIDENTS, 55 TO 60% OF THE FATALITIES OCCUR FROM THE BICYCLIST OR PEDESTRIANS OR OTHER DRIVERS.

SO THE THOSE INNOCENT BYSTANDERS THAT GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL OF THIS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT A MONEY GRAB BECAUSE THE FUNDING THAT COMES TO THIS PROGRAM, IN LEGISLATION, GOES DIRECTLY TO THE PROGRAM.

FUNDS THE PROGRAM.

DOESN'T GO ANY OTHER STATE AGENCY.

DOESN'T GO TO ANY COUNTY AGENCY.

GOES TO FUND THIS RED LIGHT PROGRAM.

ALL ABOUT SAFETY.

FOR US, WE'RE HOPING WE DON'T ISSUE ANY CITATIONS ON THIS BECAUSE THAT MEANS EVERYBODY COMPLIED WITH THE LAW.

FUNDING GOES INTO THE SPECIAL FUND SET UP TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM.

I'VE BEEN AROUND LEGISLATURE ENOUGH TO SEE THAT WHEN THERE'S SURPLUS FUNDS WE OFTEN SCOOP THEM FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

SO I ACCEPT THAT'S MEANT TO BE SAFETY.

I'M NOT CHALLENGING THAT.

BUT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IT HASN'T IMPROVED MUCH SAFETY, SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS OR ALL OF THEM, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY COMING IN, MY SUGGESTION THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE ANALYSIS.

AS WE GO FORWARD THIS YEARS, WHEN WE REVIEW THE SYSTEM.

MAYBE SOME SYSTEMS, SOME INTERSECTIONS DESERVE MODIFICATIONS OR REMOVAL OF THE SYSTEM.

MAYBE IT'S NOT DOING WHAT IT'S MEANT TO DO OR MAYBE IT COULD BE BETTER DEPLOYED AT ANOTHER INTERSECTION.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS I HOPE WILL BE PART OF THE ANALYSIS GOING FORWARD.

NOT IT'S IN AND NEVER COMING OUT NO MATTER WHAT.

THAT'S I GUESS THE MESSAGE I WANTED TO SHARE.

>>Lara: QUICKLY TO YOUR POINT, GO AHEAD, YOU FIRST.

>> WELL, MANY CITIES HAVE DONE REALLY WELL.

REDUCED FATALITIES, INJURIES CRASHES.

MANY OF THEM HAVE EDUCATED THEIR POPULATION WELL.

SO THAT THERE IS NO INCREASE IN REAR END CRASHES.

EVEN IN THE BEGINNING.

IF PEOPLE INTERESTED, I ENCOURAGE CHECK NEW YORK CITY, RED LIGHT CAMERA REPORT.

AND THEY HAVE EXCELLENT RECORD OF 28 YEARS OF USING RED LIGHT CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND WE THINK OF NEW YORK AS FAST.

DANGEROUS AND ALL THAT.

BUT THEY'RE MORE SAFER THAN HAWAII ON THAT LEVEL AND RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE A BIG FACTOR IN THAT.

ALSO VISITED LOS ANGELES, COLORADO.

THEY SAY THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS FOR SAFETY IN THEIR TOWN AND PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE.

PEOPLE FEEL SAFE.

>> DO YOU KNOW IF THE SURPLUS FUNDS IN THE BIG CITY, IS THAT ALL ROLLED BACK INTO HIGHWAY SAFETY AND MAYBE BICYCLE LANES OR IS IT ALL ROLLED IN TO IMPROVE SAFETY?

OR DOES THE CITY AND MUNICIPALITIES DO THEY SOMETIMES TAKE THE MONEY AND DO OTHER THINGS?

IF IT'S ALL BEING ROLLED BACK IN, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

>> ALL OF THESE COMMENTS I'M CHALLENGING SYSTEM AS IT GOES FORWARD.

LET'S PARLAY WHATEVER FUNDS ARE THERE.

>> I DON'T THINK CHALLENGING ANYTHING.

THAT'S THE WAY WE SET IT UP.

THIS IS THE WAY WE WORKED IT IN.

THE WAY WE ENSURE WE MAKE THE SYSTEM AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE AND SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY.

>>Lara: ED AND SENATOR RIVIERE, TO THE POINT YOU TOUCHED ON EARLIER ABOUT WHAT THE ANALYSIS WILL BE.

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.

WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME AS TO, WE'RE RUNNING THIS PROGRAM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

SEE HOW THIS WORKS.

IS IT EFFECTIVE.

DO WE NEED TO CHANGE?

ONE CALLER'S POINT, SCEPTICISM STILL OUT THERE OF PART BECAUSE OF HOW THE VAN CAM PROGRAM RAN.

HE'S SAYING WAIST OF TIME.

PEOPLE SLOW DOWN SEE THE CAMERAS.

LAST TIME, DOESN'T FEEL IT'S GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE.

ANOTHER WORRIED ABOUT THIS KIND OF SPENDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOUR POINT IS HEARD.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS WILL BE AS FAR AS, WE'RE IN A PILOT PROGRAM HERE.

WHAT HAPPENS AS FAR AS TAKING A LOOK AT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO POTENTIALLY ADJUST.

IS THERE ROOM FOR THAT?

>> PERFECT.

THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE WERE STARTING THIS PILOT.

START AND JAMES FOR BEING PART OF THIS COMMITTEE PUSHED FORWARD WITH A LOT OF RULES IN THE LEGISLATION.

STARTED PUSHING THIS FORWARD, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FUNDING CAME THROUGH CONCERNS ABOUT EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM.

WE DECIDED TO ENSURE THAT WE DID A PILOT FIRST.

IT'S A TWO YEAR PILOT.

FOR ONLY THOSE TEN INTERSECTIONS TO ENSURE NOT ONLY CAN WE RUN IT THROUGH EFFICIENCY OF CITATIONS, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE COURT PROCESSES AS WELL.

2 YEAR TIME FRAME GIVES US THAT TIME TO RUN EVERYTHING THROUGH THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROCESS.

TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

HOW MUCH ARE WE ADDING TO THE COURT SYSTEMS?

CAN POLICE AND CAN THE PROSECUTORS KEEP UP WITH THIS TYPE OF, NEW CITATIONS COMING THROUGH.

THOSE TYPE OF THINKING.

MAKE SURE WE CAN TEST THE WHOLE SYSTEM ABOUT BEFORE WE MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO THE LEGISLATION BEFORE GOING FORWARD ON BROADER PROGRAM.

2 YEAR TIME FRAME, REQUIRED TO REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE ANNUALLY.

MIGHT WANT TO GET TO JAMES AND SOME.

LEGALITIES AND OTHER POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT MAY COME UP.

BECAUSE NO DOUBT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO POKE A STICK AT IT.

QUICK QUESTION FIRST.

WHAT IS THE COST OF THE CITATION?

>> IT'S IN STATUTE, UP TO $200.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY UP TO $200?

>> I'M SORRY?

>>Lara: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY UP TO $200?

WHAT WOULD THE RANGE BE BASED ON?

>> STATUTE, IT READS THAT YOUR FIRST OFFENSE, THIS IS JUST WHETHER IT'S FROM RED LIGHT CAMERA OR FROM AN OFFICER.

FIRST OFFENSE UP TO $200.

YOU KNOW STATUTES BETTER.

>> I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A SET AMOUNTS PLACED ON THE TICKET.

ON THE CITATION ITSELF.

WHATEVER CITATION AMOUNT THAT SET, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST LIKE ALL OTHER TICKETS, YOU GET, PARKING, SPEEDING, ALWAYS MAKE A STATEMENT, WRITE A STATEMENT TO THE JUDGE OR APPEAR IN COURT AND EXPLAIN TO THE JUDGE, AND THE JUDGE WILL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ACTUALLY EVEN LOWER OR SAY, OKAY, YOU WERE GUILTY, BUT YOUR EXPLANATION WAS GOOD ENOUGH.

I'M NOT GOING TO FINAL YOU AT ALL.

UP TO $200.

MAY DEPEND ON THE JUDGE DEPENDING ON YOUR EXPLANATION.

WHY YOU WERE CAUGHT.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

OBVIOUSLY COULD BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF WAY OR SOME EXPLANATION THAT ESPECIALLY THE JUDGE MAY LOOK AT YOUR RECORD AS WELL.

OTHER MATTERS.

>>Lara: SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WOULD COME UP WOULD BE BASED ON TIME FRAME AS TO WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL GETS TICKET.

BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN THE VIOLATION HAPPENS, IT MAY BE 2, 3 WEEKS OR SO BEFORE WHOMEVER THAT CAR IS REGISTERED TO ACTUALLY GETS THAT CITATION IN THE MAIL.

>> RIGHT.

I THINK THE LAW SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IT HAS TO BE SET WITHIN A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD.

YOU GET A TICKET 2 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S NOT JUST NOT FAIR.

NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THAT TICKET.

COMMITTEE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO STRICT TIME DEADLINES FOR THE OFFICER TO REVIEW THE TICKET.

TICKET TO GET SENT OUT.

AND SO HOPEFULLY, THOSE ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED.

HOPEFULLY TICKET WILL BE RECEIVED QUICKLY.

>>Lara: ANY OTHER CONCERNS AS FAR POTENTIALLY I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

>> TIME IN THE LAW SAYS TEN CALENDAR DAYS FROM IT'S TIME THAT THE PHOTO IS TAKEN.

AND THE CURRENT FINE FOR RED LIGHT RUNNING IS $97 FOR FIRST OFFENSE.

>>Lara: ANY OTHER, WANT TO DO BRING THIS UP FROM MILES ASKED THIS QUESTION.

FROM MOILIILI.

HE SAYS, IF IT'S A RENTAL CAR, DOES THE RENTAL CAR COMPANY GET FINED OR ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE DRIVER?

JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL VARIABLES THAT MIGHT COME UP.

>> SO THE RENTAL CAR WILL GET FINED I BELIEVE, BUT THE RENTAL CAR HAS THE ABILITY TO GET THE MONEY FROM THE DRIVER.

OR FROM THE PERSON, NOT THE DRIVER, BUT WHOEVER IS ON THE CONTRACT.

RENTAL AGREEMENT.

>> JUST LIKE A PARKING TICKET.

IF YOU RENT A CAR, YOU GET A PARKING TICKET, RENTAL CAR COMPANY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT BUT IN THE END, THEY CAN GET IT FROM YOU.

>>Lara: HERE IS QUESTION FROM DANIEL IN KAPAHULU.

ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF PROOF OF THESE CAMERAS CAUSING ACCIDENTS?

>> JURISDICTION WES WORKED WITH, WITH CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK CITY AND WASHINGTON STATE, I BELIEVE, THEY HAVE NOT FOUND ANY EVIDENCE IN A THESE CAMERAS CAUSE ANY ACCIDENTS.

FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, ACTED MORE LIKE A POLICE CAR PARKED AT THE INTERSECTION.

PEOPLE WERE MORE COMPLIANT WITH THE RULES.

WHEN THEY KNOW, WHEN SIGNS WERE UP THAT RED LIGHT RUNNING CAMERA SYSTEM WAS OPERATED.

>> I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK THE CAMERAS CAUSE ACCIDENTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS PROBABLY RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT.

BUT I DO THINK CHANGED BEHAVIOR, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERY STUDY IS INDICATED THAT IN MANY OR MOST CASES, REAR END COLLISIONS INCREASE.

SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR CHANGE.

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU COULD HAVE DUELING STUDIES AND STAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S 100% IN THE DIRECTION OF SAFETY.

I THINK THERE'S SOME TRADEOFFS WHEN YOU INSTALL THESE THINGS.

>> IT'S NOT TRADEOFF.

REAR ENDS ARE MINOR FENDER BENDERS COMPARED TO THE SOMEBODY RUNNING RED LIGHT HITTING A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLIST OR ANOTHER VEHICLE.

IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.

THOSE INCREASES IN FENDER BENDERS ARE WHAT HAPPENS ANY TIME YOU CHANGE AN INTERSECTION.

SO IF WE SAY >> THE QUESTION WAS DOES THE SYSTEM BY INSTALLING CREATE ANY OTHER ACCIDENTS.

>> WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO, THIS IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT WE MAKE.

WITH WE PUT IN NEW STOP SIGNS IN AREAS PUT IN NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN AREA, THERE'S A HIGHER UPTICK OF THESE FENDER BENDER IN THESE AREAS.

NOT RED LIGHT RUNNING CAMERA THING.

CHANGE THING.

THE WAY WE TRY TO ADDRESS THIS, ENSURE THAT WE PUT IN THE RULES, AND STATUTES EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM MUST ROLL OUT OF 60 DAYS PRIOR TO OPERATING THESE CAMERAS TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE THESE.

>> WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT SO MUCH THE ACCIDENTS BUT BEHAVIOR HERE IS, I THINK MAY HAVE EXPLAINED TO ME EARLIER.

WHEN YOU APPROACH A RED LIGHT THE, I HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN, I AM SO AFRAID TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN, EVEN THOUGH I COME TO A FULL STOP, I CROSS THE LINE, I'M GOING INTO THE INTERSECTION, I COULD SEE THE ORDINARY CITIZENS SAYING, I'M NOT TAKING THAT CHANCE.

SO I'M STAYING HERE TILL THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN AND TRAFFIC WILL BACK UP AT THAT POINT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF.

SOME OF THESE EFFECTS.

THAT'S WHAT I HAD THAT SAME PROBLEM WHEN I WAS IN CALIFORNIA.

HAD THIS RED LIGHT.

WHAT I DO.

I KNOW THE CAMERA IS HERE.

TURN RIGHT.

>>Lara: COMMENT FROM ANON.

COMMENTS.

THE REASON SO MANY RED LIGHT, RUNNERS IS BECAUSE DRIVERS ARE TOO AGGRESSIVE AND ARE IN INCONSIDERATE.

I THINK SENATOR RIVIERE TALKING ABOUT JUST CHANGING BEHAVIOR.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE WE'LL SEE DOWN THE LINE.

WANTED TO GET BACK TO WHAT YOU HAD TOUCHED ON.

COUPLE OF YOU TOUCHED ON EARLIER ABOUT THE POLICE PRESENCE AND HOW, WHERE THAT RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN, THAT DISCUSSION HAS BEEN.

JOHN ASKING, WHY NOT HIRE HPD AND HAVE THEM SITTING AT THE INTERSECTION?

ALSO, QUESTIONS BEING RAISED ABOUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS?

SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT?

IS IT BEING LOOKED AT?

HOW IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION?

>> IT WAS LOOKED AT.

LOOKED AT TRYING TO ADD NEW OFFICERS TO DIFFERENT AREAS.

THERE'S A SHORTAGE AREA.

VERY DIFFICULT FOR HPD TO STAFF UP.

FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BE AT ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS 24 7.

EVEN IF THEY'RE THERE, IF SOMEBODY VIOLATES, I THINK CLAD BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER, THEY GOT TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO CHASE THAT PERSON THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

MAY CAUSE MORE HARM THAN GOOD.

>> HIGH SPEED CHASE OR CHASE THROUGH CONGESTED AREA MAY ADD MORE SAFETY ISSUES THAN THEY MIGHT START WITH WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

PUTTING IN A CAMERA SYSTEM LIKE THIS HELPS TREMENDOUSLY ENSURING THERE'S A 24 7 PRESENCE IN THAT AREA SO WE CAN CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR.

EVERY TIME YOU COME TO THAT INTERSECTION.

HOPEFULLY, SORRY.

>> I'M SORRY.

RED LIGHT COMMITTEE, HAD THIS COMMITTEE, IT WAS ALSO STAFFED, OR MEMBERS INCLUDED COUNTY POLICE AGENCIES.

THEY ALL AGREED THAT IT WOULD JUST BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO PUT POLICE OFFICERS AT EACH INTERSECTION BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS.

>>Lara: SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM OUR VIEWERS.

>> HOW DOES THE RED LIGHT TRAFFIC CAMERA PROGRAM DEAL WITH DRIVERS WHO ARE, QUOTE, STUCK AT INTERSECTION AND FINALLY GET THROUGH WHEN THE LIGHT CHANGES BUT IT MAY BE RED WHEN THE DRIVER GETS THROUGH.

INCLUDES DRIVERS MAKING LEFT TURN AT BUSY INTERSECTION?

>> THESE ARE ALL TALKED ABOUT DURING THE RED LIGHT COMMITTEE.

JAMES AND CHAD, YOU GUYS SHOULD TAKE THESE.

BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS ON THIS.

MAKE SURE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT PEOPLE SOME PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU ENTER THE INTERSECTION ON YELLOW, YOU'RE SAFE ALREADY.

SO THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE STUCK IN THERE, INTERSECTION ON RED, OFFICE NOT GOING TO TICKET YOU AND THE CAMERA IS NOT GOING TO TICKET YOU IF YOU LEGALLY ENTERED INTERSECTION AT THE RIGHT TIME.

THE FACT THAT YOU GOT STUCK BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER CONGESTION, IS NOT THE CAUSE FOR TICKET.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING REALLY PEOPLE SHOULD BE COMFORTED ABOUT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A GOT YA KIND OF THING.

THEN THIS PARTICULAR PILOT, DOES NOT TICKET LEFT TURNS, OR RIGHT TURNS.

IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT THROUGH.

RED LIGHT RUNNING.

>>Lara: GOOD CLARIFICATION.

>> ALSO, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ASPECT, HOPEFULLY, PREVENT THOSE DRIVERS GETTING A TICKET.

IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT EACH PHOTO IS EXAMINED, HPD, ONE JURISDICTION I BELIEVE, 58% OF THE TICKETS THAT WERE VIEWED BY THEIR POLICE WERE TOSSED OUT.

HOPEFULLY HPD WILL TOSS OUT ALL THE TICKETS CLOSE IN SITUATIONS FOR SOME REASON, THAT PERSON WAS FLAGGED, HOPEFULLY, THAT TICKET WILL GET TOSSED OUT AT THAT POINT.

>>Lara: REMIND ME THE PICTURE IS BEING TAKEN OF THE BACK LICENSE, IS THAT CORRECT, NOT THE FRONT?

>> YES.

THAT FIGURE THAT JAMES MENTIONED, 58% BEING THROWN OUT, THAT IS IN CITY WHERE IS THEY REQUIRE PHOTO.

SO THE PHOTO PRESENTS MUCH MORE SORRY, PHOTO OF THE PERSON'S FACE.

THAT PRESENTS A LOT MORE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE WINDSHIELD IN THE WAY AND SO FORTH.

ESPECIALLY DURING COVID.

PEOPLE WEARING MASKS.

BUT THE REAR LICENSE PLATE VIOLATION IS.

MUCH, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

GOING TO GET MAYBE 5 TO 10%, 15% OF THE MOST THROWN OUT BECAUSE OF THE CAMERA BEING NOT CLEAR.

OR SOME OTHER TECHNICAL PROBLEM.

THE FINES ARE LOWER WITH REAR LICENSE PLATE.

LIKE $97.

AS OPPOSED TO CALIFORNIA.

THEY GO $550.

>>Lara: WOW.

>> THEY GET THE FACE.

BUT REAR LICENSE PLATE ONES, PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN GO ON WEBSITE WHEN YOU GET TICKET.

SEE THE PHOTO.

SEE THE VIDEO.

SEE THE SPEED THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

AND YOU'LL SEE THE RED LIGHT ON ALL THE TIME.

SO.

>>Lara: HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

SPEAKING OF THAT.

LICENSE PLATE.

ANOTHER VIEWER ASKING.

WHEN THE VAN CAM PROGRAM WAS IN EFFECT, I SAW MANY DRIVERS PUTTING IN, OBSCURING COVER OVER THEIR LICENSE PLATES.

HOW DOES THE RED LIGHT CAM LAW DEAL WITH DRIVERS WHO MIGHT TRY TO OBSCURE THEIR LICENSE PLATES?

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT.

>> WORKING WITH HPD ON THAT ONE, ALREADY A STATUTE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU OR REQUIRES YOU NOT TO OBSCURE YOUR LICENSE PLATE.

>>Lara: BASELINE THAT'S ILLEGAL.

TO OUR VIEWERS.

>> CAN'T DO THAT.

>> YES.

CAMERAS BEING VANDALIZED.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE TECHNOLOGY IS BETTER TOO WITH THE CAMERAS.

RESOLUTION.

THOSE THINGS MAY NOT ACTUALLY WORK ANY MORE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> IN THE PLACES WE SPOKE WITH, MAYBE 3 OR 4% TICKETS HAVE OBSCURE LICENSE PLATES FOR EITHER SUN OR INTENTIONAL.

SMALL PERCENT.

>>Lara: QUICK QUESTION HERE.

WHICH DIRECTION WILL THE CAMERAS FACE?

DID YOU COVER THAT ALREADY?

MANY VEHICLES IF THEY HAVE MISSING PLATES OR PLATES COVER, SAME QUESTION.

IS THAT FROM THE BACK OR MAYBE GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF ARRANGEMENT.

>> TAKING PICTURES OF THE VEHICLES FROM THE REAR.

LOOKING AT INTERSECTION TO SEE WHERE BEST TO SET THEM UP TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE VANDALISM.

ALSO, MAXIMIZE VISIBILITY OF THE FACE THEMSELVES.

HAVEN'T SET GEOMETRICS FOR EACH OF THE INTERSECTIONS.

ALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

WHY WE'RE STARTING WITH JUST THE TEN.

>>Lara: I WANT TO GET TO YOU SENATOR.

YOU HAVE DEFINITELY SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THESE RED LIGHT CAMERAS FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

IF WE DON'T GO THIS ROUTE OR IF IT DOESN'T CONTINUE, WHAT ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES?

WE HAVE ISSUE HERE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE RUNNING RED LIGHTS.

>> SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WHAT ARE SOME.

ALTERNATIVES YOU THINK WOULD BE BETTER OPTIONS?

>> I GUESS WAY TO ANSWER THAT, BETTER DATA, BETTER INFORMATION WILL HELP INFORM US.

I'LL SAY AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS THING.

ONE OF THE RULES THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THERE'S A BASELINE STUDY BASELINE AVERAGE OF WHAT WOULD BE VIOLATIONS AT INTERSECTION.

I GUESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OBSERVED AND SOME CALCULATIONS DONE.

ONE OF MY COMMENTS THAT I SUBMITTED TODAY ON THIS SUBJECT RULES IS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT DATA BROKEN OUT INTO EACH OF THE VIOLATIONS.

WHETHER IT WAS TURNING ON AN ARROW, RED, GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH, CROSSING, ROLLING STOP, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE DATA IS ACCURATE IN THAT WAY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR OR I DON'T THINK IT'S USEFUL IF THE DATA IS EVERY SINGLE VIOLATION, CROSSED LINE, GOING THROUGH, OR YOU DID.

IT NEEDS TO BE USEFUL DATA.

I THINK THAT WILL HELP INFORM IT.

ALSO, THE TYPES OF ACCIDENTS.

WHEN THAT IS PART OF THE ANALYSIS GOING TO BE DONE GOING BACK 3 YEARS.

I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE A COMPARISON AND LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE ACCIDENTS?

WAS IT BICYCLE RELATED OR PEDESTRIAN, IN THE CROSSWALK?

TAIL END OR T BONE?

I HOPE THAT THOSE STUDIES ARE NOT JUST KIND OF AGGREGATED TO SAY YES, THERE WAS THIS MANY.

I HOPE DATA COME TRUE.

WHAT CAN WE DO OTHERWISE?

PEOPLE ARE GETTING AGGRESSIVE NOW.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.

ONE, I MEAN, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.

SITTING IN AN INTERSECTION THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT 2 OR 3 CYCLES TO GET THROUGH TO TURN.

BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF A STACKING AREA IN THE LEFT TURN.

SO I'VE SEEN PEOPLE RUN A RED ON A LEFT TURN ARROW BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR TEN MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

THINGS LIKE THAT I THINK WE COULD HAVE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND END ON THIS.

PART OF THE PROPOSED RULES TALKS ABOUT ANALYZING MITIGATIVE MEASURES.

>> EITHER IMPROVING LINE OF SIGHT, OR HAVING BETTER SIGNAGE OR BETTER NOTICE OF THE UPCOMING INTERSECTION.

SO I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS WORKING IN CONCERT WILL RENDER SAFER ROADS FOR US.

WE'RE ALL, I HOPE I'M NOT SEE SEEN AS THE GUY THAT'S OPPOSED TO ALL OF THIS.

I JUST WANT TO CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILT THE BEST PROGRAM.

DO I WANT THIS PROGRAM?

NO.

BUT IT'S GOING.

SO LET'S MAKE IT THE BEST PROGRAM IT CAN BE.

>>Lara: ANYBODY ELSE BASED ON SENATOR RIVIERE COMMENTS?

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ADD, WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES OR OTHER WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM?

>> IN GENERAL, WHAT WE FOUND, TRIED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

TRIED EDUCATION.

TRIED CHANGING INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE POOR BEHAVIOR.

THE BEST WAY TO GET COMPLIANCE IN MOST CASES AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING, IS ENFORCEMENT.

FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT POLICE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE.

TRYING TO FIND DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE KILLING 120 PEOPLE A YEAR ON THE HIGHWAYS.

LAST YEAR, WAS DOWN BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS DOWN.

I'LL TAKE THE LIVES.

I'LL TAKE THE SAVING, LIFE SAVINGS WE GOT FROM THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE 120 AGAIN.

FIND DIFFERENT OPTION.

PUTTING PEDESTRIAN RAISED CROSSWALKS OVER THE PLACE TO MINIMIZE SPEED AND CHANGE BEHAVIOR IN THOSE AREAS.

TRY TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS BEST WAY TO MAKE A CHANGE QUICKLY IS ENFORCEMENT.

WE'RE TRYING TO SEE HOW WE CAN USE THIS MODEL IN SELECTED LOCATIONS WHERE IT MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO CHANGE BEHAVIORS FOR THE BETTER.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

>> MAY I QUICK QUESTION.

120 DEATHS ON THE HIGHWAY, HOW MANY WERE ON INTERSECTION?

>> FOUR ON AVERAGE.

BASED ON RED LIGHT RUNNING, FOUR A YEAR.

FOUR TRAGIC DEATHS A YEAR IN RED LIGHT INCIDENT.

THANK YOU.

>> THE PRIMARY KILLERS OF PEOPLE ON THE STREETS IS DRUNK DRIVING, IMPAIRED DRIVING, AND SPEEDING.

AND RED LIGHT RUNNING HAS RELATION SHIP TO BOTH OF THEM.

IMPAIRED, NOT WATCHING THE LIGHTS.

SPEEDING, TEND NOT TO STOP IN TIME.

BUT IT'S CHANGING THE WHOLE MINDSET AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SENATOR, EVEN THOUGH YOU OPPOSE THIS PARTICULAR THING, I KNOW YOU WANT MORE SAFETY FOR EVERYONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND I'M GOING TO HOLD UP A BOOK.

CALLED IT'S NO ACCIDENT.

IT'S ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD NOW.

BUT THIS BOOK REALLY SAYS WHY ARE WE TOLERATING 120 PEOPLE DYING IN OUR STATE EVERY YEAR?

WHY?

WHEN, IF IT WAS MY FAMILY, I WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT AT ALL.

SOMEHOW, WE TOLERATE WHEN IT SEEMS TO HAPPEN TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE EDDIE WARNER, DAPHNE MANAGO, MELISSA LAU, ALL LOST PEOPLE TO TRAFFIC COLLISIONS.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY HURT SO MUCH.

BUT THEY'RE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NUMBER.

120, CAN BE ZERO.

AND RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE PART OF REACHING ZERO.

AS WELL AS >> DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.

YOU SAID AVERAGE OF FOUR ACCIDENTS.

DISREGARDING RED LIGHT.

I'M WONDERING HOW MANY OF THE FOUR ARE WHEN THE LIGHT TURNED YELLOW, TO RED.

BECAUSE USUALLY, I SEE, I DON'T THINK, OR WAS IT RED FOR A TIME PERIOD, AND WE HAVE THESE DRUNK DRIVES PLOWING THROUGH OR PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

LOOK AT THEIR PHONE.

DRIVING THROUGH BECAUSE THE LIGHT WAS RED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

WHEN I MY EXPERIENCE, I GET VERY FRUSTRATED GUYS TRY TO BEAT THE YELLOW AND GO THROUGH THE RED.

USUALLY CROSS TRAFFIC, THEY'RE NOT CROSSING, THEY'RE NOT GOING FROM ZERO TO 30 IN 3 SECONDMENT TAKE THEIR TIME.

STARTING UP.

ACCELERATING.

I'M JUST WONDERING STATISTICS, FOUR A YEAR, BUT IS IT FOUR, WHEN YELLOW TO RED?

FOUR DURING THAT TIME PERIOD?

I DON'T KNOW IF WE KEEP STATISTICS LIKE THAT.

>> I THINK WE DO HAVE THEM.

I GOT TO CHECK ON THEM.

I THINK IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE IT GOES YELLOW TO RED, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE.

HITTING PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLIST.

TRYING TO CROSS.

MOST PEOPLE SHOOTING THE CUE OR LOOK AT TRAFFIC SEE IF THEY'RE COMING VERSUS PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET.

>>Lara: LEADING RIGHT TO A QUESTION THAT STAN FROM PEARL CITY HAD.

>> PRETTY INSIGHTFUL.

HE SAYS, FEELS PEOPLE KNOW THEY HAVE SOME TIME BETWEEN THE YELLOW AND RED LIGHT, SO SOMETIMES THAT IS WHY THEY RUN THE RED LIGHT.

HE'S WONDERING, CAN YOU SHORTEN THE LENGTH OF TIME BETWEEN THE YELLOW AND RED LIGHTS?

WAS THAT A CONSIDERATION?

SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS?

>> YELLOW PHASE IS ONE OF THE ENGINEERING STUDY WE DO.

DURING ALL OF THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT CONSIDERINGS.

BEFORE WE PUT THE RED LIGHT RUNNING IN OR SEE NONCOMPLIANCE.

START LOOK AT PHASING OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE GIVING TIME TO SLOW DOWN IF YOU HAVE TO, THAT TIME TO CLEAR THE INTERSECTION IF YOU CAN, BUT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY STAYS SAFE THERE.

WE CAN'T ALWAYS BALANCE IT CORRECTLY WHEN PEOPLE STARTING AGGRESSIVE IN THESE AREAS.

ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WE MAKE.

I GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE A POINT HERE THOUGH.

I GET IT WE HAVE TRAFFIC IN HAWAII.

PEOPLE GET STUCK AT INTERSECTIONS.

BUT FRUSTRATION IS NEVER A REASON TO BREAK THE LAW.

NOR IS IT A REASON TO PUT ANYBODY ELSE IN JEOPARDY.

SO IF YOU GOT TO WAIT AT THE STOP LIGHT, I APOLOGIZE.

YOU GOT TO WAIT AT THE STOP LIGHT.

GOT TO WAIT ANOTHER PHASE TO GET THROUGH, I APOLOGIZE.

YOU GOT TO WAIT TILL ANOTHER PHASE GETS THROUGH TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY STAYS SAY.

THAT NUMBER OF FATALITIES EVERY YEAR SHOULD BE ZERO.

95% OF THE FATALITIES ALL THINGS BASED ON DECISIONS WE'RE MAKING POORLY.

IF CAN ADJUST THAT, GET EVERYBODY HOME.

>>Lara: COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SIMILAR QUESTIONS FROM MIKE IN MAKIKI AND DAN IN HONOLULU.

JUST WONDERING, WHICH TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE YOU LOOKING AT?

AND WILL THE PUBLIC BE NOTIFIED OF THOSE IN ADVANCE.

>> YES.

LIST OF 14 WE HAVE ON D.O.T.

WEBSITE CONSIDERED PART OF THIS PILOT.

WHITTLE IT DOWN TO TEN AND GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO PUBLIC.

MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE THE INTERSECTIONS ARE AND MAKE SURE WE WON'T START UP THE CAMERAS UNTIL 60 DAYS AFTER WE START EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM.

SO EVERYBODY WILL BE FULLY AWARE OF WHERE IT IS.

SIGN IT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SEES AS THEY'RE DRIVING.

MAKE SURE WE GET OUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE THAT.

>> FIRST 30 DAYS WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE ACTUALLY TURNED ON, THEY'LL BE WARNINGS MAILED TO THE HOUSE.

WITH NO FINE.

>>Lara: GOOD TO KNOW.

OKAY.

COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE TOO.

I ALSO BE FOR YOU CHAD AS WELL.

BEVERLY IN MAKIKI ASKING ABOUT THE RED LIGHT PROPOSAL APPLYING FOR MOTORCYCLES, MOPEDS AND BICYCLES.

MORE SPECIFICALLY BICYCLES RUNNING RED RIGHT LIGHTS SOUTH KING STREET, PIIKOI STREET, KING STREET WHERE THE BICYCLE LANE IS.

CAN THE RED LIGHT CAMERA PHOTO BICYCLES RUNNING RED LIGHT.

SMALLER LICENSES.

I THINK SHE'S KIND OF FEELING THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME ATTENTION PAID TO THAT.

WAS THAT PART OF A DISCUSSION?

IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME?

CONSIDERED?

>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT CALLER BECAUSE NOBODY SHOULD BE DISOBEYING THE LAW.

PEOPLE WALKING, BIKING DRIVING.

SKATEBOARDING EVERYBODY.

IF IT WAS POSSIBLE, I WOULD BE TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF IT.

RIGHT NOW, THAT LITTLE DECAL THAT IS WRAPPED AROUND THE POST IS NOT GOING TO BE SEEN BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE.

BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IF THROUGH ARE BETTER CAMERAS AND MAYBE BETTER POSITION, HAWAII BICYCLING LEAGUE WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE ASKED HPD TO GO AND FORCE AGAINST CYCLISTS WHO VIOLATE THE LAW.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT HPD SAYS A LOT OF TIMES IS TO PUT OFFICER TO SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.

IT'S SO INFREQUENT, THAT THEY WON'T DO IT.

>> SURELY, THEY COULD DO A PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN WHERE THEY SAY, IF FOR THIS WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION WHERE WE KNOW YOU GUYS KEEP CHEATING AND SIT THERE AND DO IT.

CLICK IT AND TICKET.

DO HIGH PUBLICITY THING TO NAIL BIKE RIDERS.

VIOLATING THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S CLEARLY DOABLE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT BUT I THINK CAN.

>> WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT UNFORTUNATELY.

WHEN HPD USED THEIR GRANT MONEY TO DO BICYCLE CITATIONS, THEY'VE DONE IT FOR FAILURE TO HAVE VALID REGISTRATION, STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S EASIER.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE GOT TEACH EVERYBODY.

BECAUSE THE CYCLIST DANGER TO THEM AS WELL AS THE DRIVER IS GOING TO AVOID THEM IF THE CYCLIST DOES SOMETHING WRONG.

TOTALLY AGREE.

>>Lara: DO YOU SEE ADDITIONAL LEGAL CHALLENGES WHEN WE START GETTING INTO TWO WHEELED VEHICLES, SOMETHING WITH A MOTOR, SUCH AS A MOTORCYCLE OR TALKING ABOUT BICYCLE?

>> ALL THE VOTER RIGHTS VEHICLES HAVE LICENSE PLATES.

SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WE CAN'T CATCH EVERYBODY.

WHY WE HAVE THE 2 YEAR PROJECT.

NOT GOING TO CATCH THE BICYCLIST.

NOT GOING TO CATCH THOSE THAT DECIDE TO TAKE THEIR PLATES OFF.

SO I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NOT PERFECT LAW.

BUT LIKE I GUESS ED AND CHAD IS SAYING, THE GOAL IS TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR AND SO ENOUGH PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR GETS CHANGED, MAYBE PEOPLE STOP RUNNING YELLOW RED LIGHTS.

>>Lara: COMMENT IN SUPPORT FROM MOSES ROSEMARY IN CHINATOWN.

USING THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IN EUROPE SINCE 1985 WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?

SHE'S ALL FOR MOVING AHEAD ON THAT GET TO THIS QUESTION FROM GRACE.

ASKING, DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO 2 YEARS?

TO THIS PROGRAM?

CONSIDERING HOW FUNDS ARE LIMITED AT THIS TIME.

A LOT PEOPLE CONCERNED OF COURSE.

AS TO MORE SO THAN EVER WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE PANDEMIC.

DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO 2 YEARS TO THIS PROGRAM CONSIDERING HOW FUNDS ARE LIMITED AT THIS TIME?

IS THERE A CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS THE VENDOR PROGRAM TO STOP?

ALSO, WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME FOR PAYING THE TICKET?

LITTLE BIT OF SEPARATE QUESTION.

ASKING IF THE OWNER TRAVELING, FOR EXAMPLE.

GOT KIND OF QUESTIONS HERE.

FIRST ONE IS ON IT'S TIME FRAME.

IF THAT IS SET OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT TIME FRAME OF 2 YEARS.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS ALWAYS ADJUST.

S THAT CAN BE MADE IN THAT TIME FRAME.

THAT BEING SAID, 2 YEAR TIME FRAME WAS CHOSEN TO MAKE SURE WE COULD GET THROUGH THE WHOLE CYCLE.

2 YEARS TO US IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROGRAM IS VIABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> FOR US, AT D.O.T., COMMITTED TO THE 2 YEARS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TIME FRAME AND MAKE SURE WE CAN SEE IT, SEE HOW WE CAN RUN IT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

>>Lara: SECOND QUESTION HERE.

ABOUT IT'S TIME FRAME.

SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY IS MAYBE NEW YEAR IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.

TRAVELING FOR LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

THEY JUST SIMPLY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT TICKET WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME.

THEY NEED TO PAY IT.

ARE THERE SOME AVENUES THAT THEY CAN TAKE HERE TO HELP THEMSELFS?

>> YES.

THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN THE DISTRICT COURT WHERE IF YOU MISS A DEADLINE, YOU CAN GET LENIENCY FROM THE JUDGE.

EXPLAIN THAT IN YOUR LETTER AND WHATNOT, HAPPEN WAS PARKING TICKETS ALL THE TIME.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN GET MAIN EXCUSES I NEVER GOT THE TICKET ON MY CAR.

OR YOU KNOW, BLEW AWAY OR SOMETHING.

FIND OUT WHEN THEY REGISTER THE CAR, HAVE TO REGISTER CAR EVERY YEAR, SO THAT'S WHEN IT GETS RESOLVED.

GO TO GO TO, MAY BE MORE OF A HASSLE AT THAT POINT.

YOU CAN GO TO COURT.

AND GET IT RESOLVED.

BECAUSE YOU SHOULD GOT IT RESOLVED.

IF YOU DON'T PAY IT, WON'T BE ABLE TO REGISTER YOUR CAR.

TICKET MAY GO TO COLLECTIONS.

AND YOU WANT TO SET ASIDE THE DEFAULT JUDGMENT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO RUIN CREDIT RAISING.

THERE ARE MECHANISMS DISTRICT HAS TO, IF YOU MISS A DEADLINE.

AND HAVE A GOOD REASON.

>>Keahi: OKAY.

QUESTION FROM VALERIE.

CAME IN.

LITTLE BIT OF HOT BUTTON QUESTION.

IT'S FAIR.

ARE THE INTERSECTIONS PREDOMINANTLY DOWNTOWN AND KALIHI AREA.

DOES IT TARGET ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE MORE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

WE FOCUSED IT IN ONE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE WE COULD RUN THE PILOT THROUGH ONE COURT DISTRICT.

WASN'T BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TARGET DOWNTOWN.

WE WANTED TO STAY AWAY FROM OTHER AREAS.

THIS WAS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR US, EVEN THE INTERSECTIONS WE HAD, VOLUMES THAT WE HAVE, AND HISTORY OF ACCIDENTS VIOLATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S WHY WE FOCUSED IT HERE.

THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T DISPROPORTIONATELY FOCUS ON ANYBODY.

IT FOCUSES ON PEOPLE WHO RUN RED LIGHTS.

THAT'S IT.

>>Lara: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THIS PROGRAM.

FEW MINUTES LEFT.

WHAT IS THE SITUATION AS FAR AS, ONLY BE ON OAHU?

WILL THIS POTENTIALLY BE ROLLING OUT NEIGHBOR ISLANDS?

>> THE WAY THE BILL WRITTEN, 2 YEAR PILOT.

BEFORE WE LEGISLATURE ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD.

WITH RED LIGHT RUNNING PROGRAM IN ANY COUNTY.

REQUEST WE HAVE IS THAT THE STATE OR COUNTIES CAN MOVE FORWARD ON A RED LIGHT PROGRAM IN ANY OF THE DISTRICTS AFTER THIS IS DONE.

AFTER THIS PILOT IS DONE.

AND IF WE CAN MOVE PROVE IT'S AN EFFECTIVE PROGRAM.

COULD POTENTIALLY ROLLED OUT STATEWIDE IF IT'S EFFECTIVE.

>>Lara: ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT.

REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE, ACTUALLY CHECK ON THIS.

WAS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING TODAY?

IS THAT CORRECT?

OR TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE FUTURE?

HEARING TODAY, TALK ABOUT THE RULES PUSHED FORWARD TO RUN THIS RED LIGHT PROGRAM.

9:00 TO 11:00 TODAY.

COMMENT PERIOD TODAY FOR SENDING IN COMMENTS IN WRITING.

20 MINUTES PEOPLE HAD GOTTEN WRONG LINK.

CAME IN A LINK.

LINKED THEM BACK TO A HEARING WE HAD LAST WEEK.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE EXTENDING COMMENT PERIOD TILL TOMORROW.

AS WELL.

ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO WRITE IN WITH COMMENTS, PLEASE DO SO.

IF THE COMMENTS ARE SIGNIFICANT, REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE RULE, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR THOSE RULES.

>> BUT BASED ON COMMENTS WE HAD SO FAR, WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING ADJUST RULES WE HAD PROPOSED SIGNIFICANTLY.

HAVING SAID, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.

NOT FOR THE RULES PORTION PER SE.

>>Lara: I WANT TO DO LITTLE BIT OF ROUND ROBIN HERE WITH THE LAST FEW MINUTES WE HAVE.

START WITH YOU.

AS FAR AS HERE WE ARE NOW.

HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

EXPLAINED A LOT OF THINGS AS FAR AS HOW THIS IS GOING MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

FROM THIS POINT ON, AS WE CONTINUE FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, WHAT IS MOST FOREFRONT ON YOUR MIND AND WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE CONTINUES TO BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD?

>> THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT TARGET THE CAR, NOT THE DRIVER.

WHICH IS MY MAIN CONCERN.

SECOND CONCERN WAS THAT THESE CITATIONS HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY POLICE OFFICER.

AND HOPEFULLY, BECAUSE OF THAT, HOPEFULLY PUBLIC CAN BE ASSURED THAT ONLY THOSE THAT GET MAILED OUT ARE TRUE VIOLATIONS.

CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE RECEIVED TICKET WRONG, YOU CAN ALWAYS WRITE TO THE JUST LIKE OTHER TICKET.

WRITE AND EXPLAIN YOURSELF.

EVEN IF YOU WERE WRONG, YOU COULD ASK FOR MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE FINES CAN ACTUALLY GET REDUCED OR TICKET ACTUALLY GETS DISMISSED.

JUST BECAUSE YOU GET A TICKET IN THE MAIL DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE JUST GUILTY AND HAVE TO PAY THE FINE.

>>Lara: MAIN THING, FOREFRONT IN MINDS FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND?

>> YOU KNOW, AAA IS A CAR OWNER CLUB OR ORGANIZATION.

ALSO INSURER OF PEOPLE WHO DRIVE.

AND THEY'RE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF RED LIGHT RUNNING PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESIGNED WITH BEST PRACTICES IN MIND.

SO TO ME, COMMITTEE AND LEGISLATURE INCORPORATED BEST PRACTICES FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS IN RED LIGHT RUNNING IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO GO CHECK OUT THOSE RESOURCES.

ON THE WEB.

AAA OR NEW YORK CITY.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PRACTICE LAWS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ENACTED IN HAWAII.

>>Lara: SENATOR, ABOUT 20 SECONDS TO YOU.

AND THEN TO YOU, ED.

>> SO ONE QUICK COMMENT.

IF THE YELLOW LIGHT IS ADJUSTED, I WOULD TRUST THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC AWARENESS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ADJUST TO THE YELLOW LIGHT BEING SHORTER OR LONGER.

BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TERRIBLY UNFAIR TO GET A TICKET BECAUSE SUDDENLY, THAT YELLOW LIGHT THAT YOU DRIVEN THROUGH FOR 20 YEARS IS SHORTER.

SO COMMENT ON THAT.

AND AS FAR AS THE MONEY, FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GENERATED BY THIS, WE WOULD BE FOOLISH TO DENY IT'S GOING TO MAKE MONEY.

I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE TO KEEP ROLLING IT BACK TO ROAD SAFETY.

>>Lara: QUICKLY TO YOU, ED.

>> BOTTOM LINE, WANT ZERO DEATHS ON THE HIGHWAY.

MAKE SURE PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL IF CAN BE.

>> BIGGEST SUCCESS WE ISSUE NO TICKETS TO ANYONE BECAUSE NATURE COMPLAININGS.

>>Lara: THANK YOU.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOIN US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS WE WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS TONIGHT.

DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF HIGHWAYS, ED SNIFFEN, STATE SENATOR GIL RIVIERE, PUBLIC DEFENDER JAMES TABE, AND HAWAII BICYCLING LEAGUE’S SAFE STREETS ADVOCATE CHAD TANIGUCHI.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, THE STATE HAS A BOLD GOAL OF FULLY TRANSITIONING TO 100 PERCENT RENEWABLE ENERGY BY THE YEAR 2045.

WE’LL GET A PROGRESS REPORT AND FIND OUT WHAT OBSTACLES ARE STILL IN THE WAY.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M LARA YAMADA FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I, ALOHA!