A PLAN TO PROTECT ONE OF OAHU’S MOST POPULOUS AREAS FROM DEVASTATING FLOODING.

IT’S BEEN YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT, BUT CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC AND A SKYROCKETING PRICE TAG HAVE SLOWED EFFORTS TO GET THE ALA WAI FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT UNDERWAY.

NOW THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS A NEW PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, SO WHAT’S IN THE PLAN AND WHAT DO COMMUNITY LEADERS THINK NEEDS TO CHANGE.

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

¶¶ ¶¶ ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M DARYL HUFF.

YOU’D THINK EVERYONE WOULD SUPPORT A PLAN TO PREVENT CATASTROPHIC FLOODING, ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA ESSENTIAL TO THE STATE’S ECONOMY, BUT WHEN THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THINGS LIKE 6‑FOOT WALLS AROUND THE ALA WAI CANAL AND RAISING HOMES OFF THE GROUND, GETTING EVERYONE TO AGREE ON A PLAN ISN’T SO EASY.

CAN WE FIND A MIDDLE GROUND TODAY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM RUNNING FOR HIGHER GROUND IN THE FUTURE?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

ERIC MERRIAM IS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROJECT MANAGER.

IN ADDITION TO THE ALA WAI PROJECT, HE HAS BEEN LEAD PLANNER AND PROJECT MANAGER ON FLOOD RISK MANAGEMENT STUDIES IN PUERTO RICO AND NORTH CAROLINA.

HE JOINS US FROM PITTSBURGH.

SIDNEY LYNCH IS THE PRESIDENT OF PROTECT OUR ALA WAI WATERSHEDS.

IT’S A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION THAT AIMS TO PROMOTE NATURE‑BASED WATERSHED RESTORATION AND PROTECTION,.

CONSISTENT WITH AHUPUAPA PRINCIPLES AND NATIVE HAWAIIAN CUSTOMS AN PRACTICES.

RICK EGGED IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WAIKIKI IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION ‑ A PRIVATE, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOCUSING ON SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT OF WAIKIKI.

HE IS ALSO CO‑CHAIR OF THE ALA WAI WATERSHED COLLABORATION.

REPRESENTATIVE ANDREW TAKUYA GARRETT REPRESENTS MANOA AND PARTS OF MCCULLY AND MO’ILI’ILI.

HE IS ONE OF 9 LEGISLATORS WHO SIGNED LETTER TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT PLAN.

I THINK BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE AT HOME ARE NOT PARTICULARLY AWARE WHAT THE DETAILS OF THIS PLAN, BREAK WITH USUAL TRADITION.

GIVE YOU MORE TIME THAN USUAL TO PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FROM THE CORPS' POINT OF VIEW, WE HAVE A GRAPHIC THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT UP FOR THE AUDIENCE WHILE YOU DESCRIBE IT.

WITH GIVE US GENERAL SENSE WHAT YOU NEED IT ACCOMPLISHMENT AND WHAT IS THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES THAT YOU'LL BE PROPOSING?

>> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> FLOOD RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO WE ARE FOCUSED ON REDUCING RIVERRING FLOODING AND PROMOTING RESILIENCY THROUGHOUT ENTIRE ALL WAY WATERSHED.

WHENEVER WE SET OUT WE CAN SENATORRED ALL AREAS WITHIN THE WATERSHED EQUALLY.

IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WERE SEEKING TO DO?

TERMS OF REDUCING FLOOD RISK RELATIONSHIP, RISK ECONOMIC DAMAGES OR LIFE SAFETY RISKS.

TO KIND OF BRIEFLY WALK THROUGH THE PLAN FIGURE EVERYBODY IS LOOK AT, I WILL START OFF AT THE TOP OF THE MANOA WATERSHED.

FURTHER UP IN THE WATERSHED PLAN GOES IS WOODLAWN BRIDGE.

FOLKS REMEMBER, I THINK BACK IN '06, FLOODING IN '06, FLOOD WATERS JUMPED THE BRIDGE AND FLOWED DOWN THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII CAMPUS.

CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE.

FLOOD WOODLAWN BRIDGE SEEKING TO KEEP THE WATER IN THE CHANNEL AND PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.

FLOODING OUT THOSE HOMES.

>>Daryl: INTERRUPT YOU TO FOLLOW ON THIS MAP.

WALL NEXT TO WOODLAWN BRIDGE IS ON THE RIGHT‑HAND SIDE OF THIS MAP, IS THAT CORRECT?

SMALL RED LINE ON THE RIGHT SIDE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

AS I SMALL RED LINE UP IN MANOA STREAM.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANKS DARYL.

YES, ON THIS FIGURE, RED LINE DENOTES FLOOD WALLS.

LITTLE YELLOW TRIANGLES ARE ROAD CLOSURES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FLOOD WALLS.

THERE ARE GREEN EARTHEN BERMS FOR LEVIES.

LARGE ATTENTION FEATURE ALA WAI GOLF COURSE.

FLOOD WALL IF YOU TRAVEL DOWNSTREAM, THERE'S A FLOOD WALL, ANOTHER RED LINE AT THE CONFLUENCE OF THE MANOA AND PALOLO STREAMS.

THAT IS IT PREVENT FLOODING IN THAT COMMUNITY.

ALSO PREVENT ADDITIONAL FLOODING MIGHT BE CAUSED BY KEEPING WATER IN THE STREAM BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD WALLS AID WOODLAWN BRIDGE.

THEN HAVE FLOOD WALLS CIRCLE ENTIRE MANOA PALOLO CANAL.

WRAP AROUND ENTIRE ALA WAI CANAL.

THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, ALA WAI GOLF COURSE.

DETENTION FEATURE.

MEANT TO HOLD ADDITIONAL STORAGE.

ADDITIONAL FLOOD WATERS.

THERE ARE SIX FOOT BERMS, SIX FOOT FLOOD WALLS GOING AROUND THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE.

CANNOT DIG DOWN IN THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE WATER TABLE IS SO HIGH.

BUILD UP AROUND IT TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL WATER STORAGE REDUCING PEAK FLOWS IN THE ALA WAI CANAL ITSELF.

YOU HAD MENTIONED I MENTIONED FLOOD WALLS.

ALL FLOOD WALLS AT THIS POINT ARE ASSUMED TO BE 6 FEET HIGH.

WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO KIND OF ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

ONE IS WE'VE ADDED THINGS LIKE CANOE CLOSURES.

I KNOW THAT ACCESS CLOSURES.

ACCESS TO THE WATER IS CRITICAL FOR THE COMMUNITY.

ALLOW VOTERS ACCESS TO THE ALA WAI CANAL.

ALSO LOOKING AT ADDITION OF 3‑FOOT WALKWAY BEHIND THE FLOOD WALLS.

STANDING ON THAT WALKING PATH, ONLY HAVE ABOUT 3‑FOOT WALL IN FRONT OF YOU ENABLING YOU TO SEE DIAMOND HEAD CRATER, ALA WAI CANAL AND SO FORTH.

ADDITIONAL FUTURES.

>>Daryl: PERFECT.

GOOD JOB.

DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU QUICKLY.

I THINK A LOT.

START WITH THAT.

BASICALLY DESCRIBE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES GOING IN AROUND THIS.

I WAS QUITE, STRUCK BY HOW MUCH IS THERE.

STILL.

THOUGHT OF THIS AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKED OFF PLAN.

STILL LOT YOU HAVE STUFF.

WHAT ARE THE MAIN COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT ERIC JUST DESCRIBED.

>> I THINK AT THIS POINT, PROJECT IS DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENT FROM PAST ITERATIONS.

HOSTED SHOW 3 YEARS AGO, HEAVY FEATURING WAS REALLY DETENTION BASINS UPPER REACHES OF WATERSHED.

THANKFULLY, ARMY CORP LISTENED TO THE THE COMMUNITY.

THEY REMOVED THESE FROM THE OCCASION.

ONE PROPOSED IN MY DISTRICT AT MANOA VALLEY DISTRICT PARK.

GO THERE ON ANY WEEKDAY OR WEEKEND, SEE RIGHT AWAY WHEN A HEAVILY USED PARK IT IS.

SO THE THOUGHT OF LOSING GOOD CHUNK OF THE BASEBALL FIELDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXCAVATING, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY CUBIC YARD OF SOIL TO BUILD A BASIN OR LEVY OR BERM ON THE MAKAI SIDE OF THE PORTION.

PROTECT COMMUNITY SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN 25 OR 50 YEARS.

CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THAT.

WHETHER THE COST OR TRADEOFF WAS WORTH IT.

I DO WANT TO COMMEND ARMY CORPS TAKING THAT OFF THE TABLE.

VISUAL BLIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO TOO MUCH IN THE TECHNICAL STUFF.

REALLY IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE NETWORK OF FLOOD WALLS 6 FEET HIGH IF IN A LOT PORTIONS.

SOME ENGINEERS I HAVE TALK TO LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT SOME FEATURES FLOOD GATE AND PUMP TAKEN OFF TABLE.

BACK IN 2019, CITY COUNCIL UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF FORMER MANOA LEGISLATURE ANN KOBAYASHI, RETAINED SERVICES OF LOCAL ENGINEERING COMPANY CALLED OCEANIT.

PROPOSED SET UP NETWORK OF UNDERGROUND TUNNELS.

BASICALLY CAPTURE WATER IN THE UPPER REACHES OF THE WATERSHED AND THROUGH NETWORK OF MICROTUNNELS, ACTUALLY LEAD DIRECTLY TO THE OCEAN BYPASSING CANAL ALL TOGETHER.

GINNY CAN'T SPEAK IF THIS WOULD WORK OR NOT.

ARMY CORP DID VET IT.

SCREENED IT OUT POSSIBLE SOLUTION.

>>Daryl: CINDY LYNCH.

WITH SAVE OUR ALA WAI WATERSHED.

THIS IS FAIRLY HARDENED APPROACH.

WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE WITHOUT HAVING QUITE SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION?

>> I THINK FOR US, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS STREAM MAINTENANCE.

IF YOU LOOK AT FLOODS IN THE PAST YEARS, 2020 FLOOD IN HALEIWA WAS CAUSED BY DEBRIS COMING DOWN, BLOCKING THE BRIDGES AND COMING OUT.

2018 ONE, AINA HAINA WAILUPE RIVER OLDER DETENTION BASIN ALREADY FULL UP AND THEN BELOW STREAM, UNIMPROVED CHANNEL.

AND AGAIN, FLOODED KALANIANAOLE HIGHWAY THERE.

BY BLOCKING UP AT THE BRIDGE.

2004 WOODLAWN ONE, BRIDGE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A 10‑FOOT CLEARANCE.

DIP UNDER IT.

>> SILTED UP 35 FEET.

2004, 5‑FOOT CLEARANCE.

DEBRIS CAME DOWN AND FLOODED.

FOR US LOOK AT THE THINGS, LOOKED AT SIMILAR FEATURE US IN THE WATERSHED, HAHAIONE ONE, WAILUPE AND KALAWAHINE ONE.

>> MAINTENANCE IS REALLY LACKING.

I'M NOT SLAMMING CITY OR ANYTHING.

>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR MANPOWER.

THERE'S ONE FUND FOR ROADS.

STREAMS AND SIDEWALKS THAT IS POOL OF MONEY THAT THEY PULL FROM.

OBVIOUSLY LOUDEST VOICE GETS THE MONEY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEDICATED FUNDING FOR STREAM CLEANING.

AT ONE POINT IN THIS LATEST ITERATION, ONE PERSON DID SAY THAT ONLY THREE STREAMS CLEANED A YEAR NORMALLY CITY CLEANS AROUND BRIDGES.

UNDERSTAND STREAMS ARE OWNED BY PUBLIC CITY AND STATE.

DIFFERENT AREAS ARE UNDER DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: WHERE DO YOU FOLKS STAND ON THIS?

SENSE ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION IS MAKING FOLKS NERVOUS ABOUT THE INDUSTRY THAT FLOOD COULD HAPPEN ANY TIME?

>> IT COULD HAPPEN ANY TIME.

WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCING CATASTROPHIC STORMS.

YOU THINK PART OF THAT DUE TO GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION AND BUT I IT COULD, FIRST, ONE OF THE FIRST INDICATIONS THAT IS THE CLIMATE CHANGE IS GOING TO BRING ABOUT MORE STORMS.

SO I THINK IT IS A APPROPRIATE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS KIND OF PLANNING GOING FORWARD.

I AS WELL AND MY CONSTITUENTS AS WELL, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT 6‑FOOT WALL.

REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE IN APPROPRIATE FASHION.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT JUST AGAINST BORDERS OF CANAL.

SEE IT STEP BACK FROM IT THE CANAL, AROUND THE PARKS IN THE AREA, SO THAT YOU DON'T JUST HAVE MASSIVE WALL.

AND BIG CHANGE FROM PREVIOUS PLAN WAS THOSE WERE 4‑FOOT WALLS.

APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TRADEOFFS.

WHY WE HAVE 6‑FOOT WALLS.

ACTUALLY, AGREE THAT I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF MAKING THIS WHOLE FLOOD CONTROL WORK IS MAINTENANCE IN THE WATERSHED.

WHICH IS NOT BEING DONE SUFFICIENTLY.

IT IS CITY AND IF IN SOME CASE PLACES STATE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT I THINK CITY PROPOSAL FOR A STORM WATER UTILITY WOULD HELP IN THIS WAY.

BUT IT'S GOT TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>>Daryl: TAXES ON HOMEOWNERS TOO.

LET ME GO BACK TO ERIC.

RATHER THAN DISCUSS A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, LET ME GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PLAN.

DO YOU HAVE A SENSE HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST, HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM?

>> SO WE'RE CURRENTLY JUST UNDERTAKING WHAT WE CALL FEASIBILITY STUDY TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE CALL RECOMMENDED PLAN.

SO ONCE WE FINISH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THAT WILL GO TO CONGRESS AND CONGRESS WILL HAVE TO AUTHORIZE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN FUND CONSTRUCTION.

TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION AFTER THE STUDY REALLY KIND OF IS DEPENDENT ON CONGRESS.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY OUT OF OUR HANDS AT THAT POINT.

WE'RE STILL TWEAKING THE PLAN.

AND SO THE FIGURE THAT YOU SHOWED, SO I SAY THAT BECAUSE KIND OF GET TO YOUR QUESTION OF HOW MUCH WILL IT COST.

WE'RE ON ORDER OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

NOT CHEAP FOR WHAT THE AVERAGE FOLKS WOULD THINK IS CHEAP PLAN.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS NECESSARY IN THIS WATERSHED TO REDUCE RISK TO THE COMMUNITIES AND FOLKS LIVING AND WORKING WITHIN THE WATERSHED ON A DAILY BASIS.

THERE ARE UPDATES TO THE PLAN.

I WANT TO QUICKLY ADDRESS SOME OF ANDREW'S POINTS OR RICK'S POINTS ABOUT, SO WE DID, LOOKING AT KIND OF MOVING FRONT WALLS AROUND THE PARKS AROUND THE CANAL.

SO FOLKS CAN ENJOY THOSE AREAS ADJACENT TO THE CANAL IN A DAILY BASIS.

WE TO DO THAT.

WE'RE NOT 6 FEET IS NOT A HARD AND FAST NUMBER FOR EVERYWHERE.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE STUDY WE WILL UNDER TAKE OPTIMIZATION.

LOOK AT KIND OF A JUSTING HEIGHT UP OR DOWN EITHER WAY, SO THAT 6 FEET WILL CHANGE IN MANY AREAS THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED.

SO I WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE STUDY, ENTIRETY FLOOD WALL WILL NOT REMAIN 6 FEET.

IT WILL CHANGE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL CHANGE.

THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT PHASE OF THE STUDY.

>>Daryl: ONE THING THAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT, MAYBE REPRESENTATIVE GARRETT CAN EXPLAIN THIS.

YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF MONEY.

TALK ABOUT HUNDREDS MILLIONS DOLLARS OF FEDERAL MONEY.

WE TALK ABOUT STATE AND COUNTY MONEY CLEANING STREAMS.

RESTORING WATERSHEDS IS A WHOLE ANOTHER THING.

AND THEN WHAT RICK MENTIONED, STORM WATER PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE BASICALLY TAXING HOMEOWNERS BASED ON HOW MUCH WATER FLOWS.

>> LANDOWNERS.

>> NOT JUST HOMEOWNERS.

HOTELS TOO.

>> AND GOVERNMENT.

HOTELS.

NONPROFITS.

>>Daryl: WHO DO YOU THINK REPRESENTATIVE GARRETT SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THIS?

IS IT FEDERAL PROBLEM OR IS IT ALL OF OUR PROBLEM AND IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD MITIGATE THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT BY BEING MORE BALANCED ACROSS THE COMMUNITY?

>> RIGHT, SO I THINK ROOM HERE, LOCAL SHARE OF THIS PROJECT, CIVIL ENGINEERING PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE SUBJECT TO A 65‑35 COST SHARE.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

>>Daryl: DIDN'T WE GET THERE WITH THE LAST PROJECT, WHERE THE COUNTY AND STATE HAD DEDICATED A MATCH.

>> I THINK SIDNEY CAN SPEAK TO THE LEGAL.

GOVERNOR IGE WAS PREPARED TO ISSUE $125 MILLION AND BONDS THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION.

BUT THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THAT WAS FILED AND JUDGE ESSENTIALLY HALTED PROJECT I BELIEVE BECAUSE THE EIS WASN'T COMPLETE AT THAT POINT.

>> >> LEGISLATURE TURNED DOWN THE FUNDING.

>> THAT'S WHY THEY WENT TO ISSUE THE COPS.

>> THERE WAS $125 MILLION SHARE FOR THE STATE AND THE CITY.

AND LEGISLATURE TURNED THEM DOWN AND THEN GOVERNOR IGE WENT TO GET THE CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION.

>>Daryl: AS WE MOVED ALONG AND GONE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS, IS THE COST LIKELY TO KEEP GOING UP?

>> SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS ATE HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT.

A HISTORY.

2017 FEASIBILITY STUDY RESULTED IN RECOMMENDATION THAT HAD CERTAIN COST.

THAT RECOMMENDATION AS THEY WENT THROUGH ADDITIONAL DESIGN DETERMINED THAT PLAN WAS NOT GOING TO FUNCTION AS THEY HOPED.

HAD TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

DID THAT SECOND TIME, COST ESCALATED BECAUSE REQUIREMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE LARGE SCALE PUMP STATION IN THE ALA WAI CANAL.

SO OUR CURRENT PLAN DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF THOSE FEATURES DRIVING THOSE ELEVATED COST IN THE SECOND ITERATION.

THINGS LIKE THE PUMP STATION.

SO CURRENTLY, AGAIN, PLAN IS CONTINUING TO CHANGE.

PLAN THAT WE JUST SHOWED IS NOT WHAT WILL BE IN THE DRAFT REPORT.

THAT WILL BE RELEASED SHORTLY.

BUT CURRENTLY, THE COST FOR OUR PLAN IS BELOW WHAT IT WAS IF THE SECOND ITERATION.

SO AGAIN, IT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR.

NO, WE DON'T EXPECT COST TO CONTINUE TO BALLOON.

ALTHOUGH, IT'S CONTINUING TO CHANGE.

>>Daryl: NATURE OF MOST PROJECTS IS DELAYED JUST AUTOMATICALLY COST.

RICK, WHAT IS THE VISITOR INDUSTRY SKIN IN THIS GAME?

STRIKES ME THAT SO MUCH OF THIS ALTHOUGH, AS YOU REPORT POINTING OUT, DOES HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS AREAS OUTSIDE OF WAIKIKI.

BUT I MEAN, INDUSTRY CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING TO THE COST OF TAKING CARE OF THIS?

>> WELL, DEPENDS ON HOW THIS PLAN ENDS UP BEING PROPOSED.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO INSERT HERE BECAUSE WE LOSE TRACK OF THAT IS WHOLE PROCESS AND ERIC CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, EVEN AFTER YOU COME UP WITH PROPOSED PLAN, STILL HAVE TO DO FEDERAL EIS BEFORE THE PROJECT CAN KICK OFF.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT?

>> NO.

>> NO?

>> WE'RE DOING AN EIS CONCURRENTLY.

WE CREATE WHAT WE CALL FEASIBILITY REPORT INTEGRATED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.

THEY'RE BEING CONDUCTED AT THE SAME TIME.

>> RIGHT NOW.

>> WE'RE IN THE EIS PORTION AS WELL.

>> YES.

IN APRIL.

>>Daryl: CONTINUE MY QUESTION.

IS THE VISITOR INDUSTRY PAYING, WHAT IS THEIR SKIN IN THE GAME IN THIS THING THAT IS PRIMARILY SEEMS LIKE IT'S TO PROTECT WAIKIKI?

>> WELL, I THINK IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE PAYING, WAIKIKI BY ITSELF PAYS ABOUT 18% OF ALL THE PROPERTY TAX ON THE ISLAND.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING CITY IS GOING TO COME UP WITH THE SHARE AND STATE IS GOING TO COME UP WITH A SHARE, FIRST OF ALL.

>> WAIKIKI GENERATING A LOT OF THE CASH ENABLES THOSE TWO GOVERNMENT BODIES MAKE THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS.

WHETHER THERE'S A SPECIFIC COST SHARE IN TERMS OF PROJECT, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AS PROPOSAL.

I THINK MONEY WOULD COME FROM CITY AND THE STATE.

PRIMARILY, STATE I THINK IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, AND I THINK IT HAS TO INCLUDE A LOT OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO IMPROVE ENVIRONMENTS ABILITY TO ABSORB FLOODING, I THINK THERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR, REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

AND IF THAT TAKES PLACE, THEN CERTAINLY, WAIKIKI WOULD HAVE TO PAY ITS RELATIVELY HIGH SHARE OF THAT.

BECAUSE OF OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS PLAN PRIMARILY PROTECTS WAIKIKI.

PUSH BACK THAT SLIGHTLY.

WE TOOK A LOOK AT ENTIRE WATERSHED.

YES, FLOOD WALLS ARE ADJACENT TO WAIKIKI.

BUT THE FLOOD WALLS ALSO DO A LOT FOR MCCULLY MOILIILI, MCCULLY‑MOILIILI GETS FLOODEDDING FROM THE MANOA PALOLO CANAL.

ALA WAI CANAL, FROM THE MANOA STREAM, UP AT WOODLAWN BRIDGE.

FROM THE MAKIKI STREAM.

MCCULLY MOILIILI KIND OF CAN FLOOD FROM EVERYWHERE.

OUR PLAN REDUCES THAT FLOODING FROM ALL DIRECTIONS FOR MCCULLY MOILIILI, ALA MOANA, ALL OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THAT AREA AS WELL AS WELL AS COMMUNITIES UP IN MANOA STREAM.

HIGHLIGHTED WAIKIKI IS A BIG BENEFICIARY OF THIS PROPOSED PLAN.

WOULD BE, I'LL SAY, BUT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE AS WELL.

>> COULD I SPEAK SO THAT?

MCCULLY‑MOILIILI AREA, HAS STORM DRAIN SYSTEM PROBLEMS.

THAT'S UNDER THE CITY'S DISTRICT.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING WHERE THE CITY AND THE STATE ALL COME TOGETHER TO WORK ON MORE COMPREHENSIVE FLOOD PLANNING.

IF YOU JUST, ARMY CORPS WILL ONLY DO RIVERING FLOODING.

BIG PROBLEM IS STORM DRAIN SYSTEM IN WAIKIKI.

IF THEY WOULD WORK ON THAT AS WELL IN CONCERT WITH THIS FLOOD PLANNING, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

>>Daryl: EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT RIVERING MEANS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER KINDS.

>> ARMY CORPS CAN ONLY TOUCH THINGS ONCE IN THE STREAM.

A LOT OF THE ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION, THEY CAN'T DO IT'S UP IN THE MOUNTAINS WAY UP IN THE MOUNTAINS.

YOU CAN SHOW THAT NOTICEABLY TAKES AWAY THE EFFECT OF THE FLOODING, THEN THEY CAN HELP WITH THAT.

BUT NOTICE THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE STREAMS.

STORM DRAINS EVEN THOUGH THEY DID COME INTO THE STREAM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH THEM.

THAT'S THE CITY WORK.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IS THAT ONCE YOU BUILT THESE WALLS AROUND THE ALA WAI, HOW IS THE WATER IN WAIKIKI GOING TO DRAIN?

A LOT OF OUR WAIKIKI WATER NOW DOES DRAIN INTO THE CANAL.

>> HAVE FLAP GATES ON IT, SHUT DRAINS OFF.

BUILD WATER WALLS UP.

HAVE A PUMP.

HOW IS THE WATER GOING TO GET IN?

TRY THAT?

>> ASKS A LOT FULL DISCLOSURE I DO NOT HAVE MY TECHNICAL ON THE CALL TONIGHT.

I CAN ONLY DIP SO FAR INTO THE TECHNICAL REALM, I AM NOT ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

BUT SO WE DO HAVE FLAP GATES.

WE'RE PROPOSING FLAP GATES INTO THE CANAL FOR STORM DRAINS.

>> PREVENT WATER FROM BACK UP IN THE STORM DRAIN.

OUR MODELING DOES TAKE INTO IT CONSIDERATION CURRENTLY WATER COMING OUT OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEMS INTO THE CANAL.

AND I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE DOING MODELING NOW.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THROUGH THE STUDY WE WILL DO NOR DETAILED MODEL, GET FURTHER INTO DETAILING ENGINEER AND CONSTRUCTION, PRECONSTRUCTION ENGINEER AND DESIGN PHASES, SUBSEQUENT TO THE CURRENT EFFORT.

DOING A LOT OF THAT INTERNAL DRAINAGE MODELING HOW THAT PLAYS TOGETHER WITH THE SYSTEM NOW.

BUT CURRENTLY, ALL OF THAT IS CONSIDERED IN OUR MODELS AND MODELS ARE NOT SHOWING THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT INDUCED FLOODING BECAUSE OF THE WALLS.

WATER IS ABLE TO DRAIN.

A LOT OF IT HAS TO GO WITH TIMING.

TO DO WITH THINGS LIKE THE FLAP GATES SO FORTH.

SO AGAIN, I'LL STOP THERE.

>>Daryl: THANK YOU.

FLAP GATES, GIVE ME A PICTURE.

WE ARE GETTING SOME FIRST.

>> FLAP GATES WATER CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY.

CAN'T GO FROM THE CANAL BACK UP INTO THE STREETS.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE GARRETT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO SOME QUESTIONS, ANYTHING WANT TO PITCH IN AT THIS STAGE?

NO I THINK YOU ASKED THIS A MINUTE AGO.

WHO IS GOING TO PAY SOME OF THIS STUFF.

TALKED ABOUT ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION.

REPRESENTATIVE FROM MANOA.

BACK OF THE VALLEY.

RIDDLED WITH INVASIVE ALBESIA TREES.

PLAN TO ELIMINATE AND REPLANT WITH NATIVE PLANTS, THE FERAL PIG ISSUE.

FENCE IT OFF, DEAL WITH THE EROSION.

ALLOW WATERSHED.

DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PARTS OF THIS PROJECT.

ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE GAVE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF LAND AROUND NATURAL RESOURCES.

JURISDICTION OVER THE CONSERVATION LANDS BACK THERE.

PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER FUNDING.

>> PLAN SINCE 1992.

STARTED BY DLNR ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION PROJECT BY THE ALA WAI CANAL.

SO STINKY.

BROUGHT IN ARMY CORPS.

FLOOD CONTROL AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S 30 YEARS AGO.

BEEN DOING THESE SOFT MEASURES ALA LONG, ALBESIA WOULD HAVE BEEN 2 FEET TALL BACK THEN.

>> TAKEN THEM OUT ICILY.

30 YEARS, EASILY.

TALKING ABOUT THE BIG SOLUTION FOR THESE THINGS.

SOFT SOLUTIONS ALA LONG, PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

>>Daryl: ARMY CORPS PROJECT ISN'T GOING TO EFFECT THE FACT THAT ALA WAI CANAL IS ONE OF THE MOST POLLUTED WATERWAYS IN THE COUNTRY.

RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF HONOLULU.

IT'S REALLY A SHAME.

COMMUNITY CALAMITY.

>>Daryl: LET ME GO TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THIS.

FOR EXAMPLE, DEAN FROM HONOLULU SAYS, JUST DREDGE THE CANAL AND MAKE IT DEEPER.

SO IT CAN DRAIN OUT.

WHY SPEND MORE MONEY THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM?

WHAT ABOUT JUST MAKING THAT CANAL SIGNIFICANTLY MOST OF THE TIME NOT ENOUGH WATER?

>> WON'T WORK.

SAID IT'S LIKE A BATHTUB.

DREDGE IT.

GOING TO FILL UP AND THEN OTHER THING IS TO OPEN IT UP FROM THE OTHER SIDE FLUSH IT THAT WAY THAT'S NOT EITHER.

ANOTHER CALLER FROM MAKIKI, BACK IN OLDEN DAYS, THREE STREAMS FLOWED INTO WAIKIKI.

MAKIKI, MANOA AND PALOLO.

BOTTLED INTO THE ALA WAI.

SO WAIKIKI COULD BE DEVELOPED.

ANY THOUGHT PUTTING LARGE CONDITS UNDERGROUND TO OPEN UP APPROPRIATE TIMES TO ALLEVIATE FLOODING?

>> THAT'S THE OTHER END.

>>Daryl: OTHER THOUGHT.

>> YES, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT I'LL SAY IS IN THE STUDY WE CONSIDERED OVER 200, WHAT WE CALL MANAGEMENT MEASURES.

ACTIONS WE COULD TAKE THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED TO REDUCE FLOOD RISK.

>> ALL THINGS MENTIONED WERE PART OF THOSE 200, 224 MEASURES.

LOOKED AT ADDITIONAL TUNNELS.

CONDUITS UNDERNEATH WAIKIKI ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SECONDARY OUTLET.

BOTH OPEN OUTLET OR UNDERGROUND.

USING EXISTING STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE LOOKED ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, OUR GOAL IS TO FIND WHAT WE CALL OPTIMAL PLAN.

MAXIMIZES BENEFITS ECONOMIC, SOCIAL BENEFITS THINGS LIKE REDUCING RISK FOR SOCIALLY VULNERABLE POPULATION.

ALL OF OUR ANALYSIS AND ALL OF THINGS WE LOOKED AT LED US TO THE P PERSPECTIVE PLAN.

CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, THAT YOU LOOKED AT TONIGHT.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE CONSIDERED.

KIND EVERYBODY DIRECT VIEWERS TONIGHT TO OUR WEBSITE.

HONOLULU.GOV/ALA WAI.

HAVE WHAT WE CALL MANAGEMENT MEASURE TRACKER SPREAD SHEET.

LISTED OUT 200 MEASURES WE CONSIDERED AND WHETHER THEY WERE SCREENED OUT OR NOT AND WHY.

RECOMMEND EVERYBODY GO AND TAKE A LOOK IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

>>Daryl: SOUNDS LIKE A FUN THING TO DO ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.

I GUESS WHAT I'M KIND OF WONDERING NOW, STAGE OF THE PROGRAM, IS SEEMS LIKE I'LL TELL QUICK STORY.

I USED TO WORK AT HOTEL IN WAIKIKI.

CALLED KALIA HOTEL.

ON THE CORNER OF SARATOGA AND KALIA ROAD.

WHEN RAINED ALOT, STORM DRAIN THAT LED OUT THE WATER UNDERNEATH THAT AREA WOULD BE CLOGGED WITH SAND.

FROM THE TIDE, NATURAL TIDE AND SO ON.

AND WE WOULD HAVE OUR PARKING LOT FULL OF WATER.

AND IT WOULD BLOW OUT ALL ELECTRICITY.

NO ELECTRICITY IN THE HOTEL.

HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE DURING YEAR I WORKED THERE.

SO MANY OF THESE THINGS.

ONCE YOU INSTALLED THEM, YOU GOT TO MAINTAIN THEM.

DO WE HAVE THE WILL TO ACTUALLY INSTALL THESE THINGS AND THEN MAINTAIN THEM?

>> YES.

I THINK PRIOR UNDERSTANDING STATE WOULD FUND LOCAL SHARE IN ESSENTIALLY TURN EVERYTHING OVER TO THE CITY & COUNTY.

MAYOR IS WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON.

HAVE TO ASK HIM DIRECTLY.

DON'T WHAT TO SPEAK FOR HIM.

GOVERNMENT IS NEVER HISTORICALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THINGS, SCHOOLS, PARKS ROADS.

SEWERS STREAMS.

WORKING OFF OF WHAT CINDY WAS TALKING ABOUT REGARDING MAINTENANCE.

I USED TO LEAD A LOT OF STREAM CLEAN‑UPS IN MANOA STREAM.

I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST TO THE CONDITION OF HOW SO MUCH OF IT IS OVERGROWN WITH VEGETATION.

ONE OF THIS CHALLENGES HODGE‑PODGE OF NETWORK WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR STREAM CLEAN UPS.

>> STATE LAW ABUTTING LANDOWNER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HALFWAY POINT.

A LOT OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE EXPERTISE AND WE REALLY SHOULD ARE ONE GOVERNMENT ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF OUR WATERWAYS.

>> RATHER THAN KIND OF SYSTEM.

WHAT GOOD IS CLEANING A STREAM IF YOUR NEIGHBOR FURTHER UP DUMPING LONGEST LOGS OR SPRAYING PESTICIDES.

>> I LIKE THE IDEA STORM WATER UTILITY.

NOT SUPPORT OF THE WAY THEY WANT TO EXECUTE IT.

I THINK IDEA HAS A LOT OF MERIT.

AND THAT I THINK, WOULD BE GIVE US CAPACITY I THINK TO MAINTAIN THIS SYSTEM.

JUST WHAT THE ARMY CORPS IS PROPOSING ALONE I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ADEQUATE.

PROPOSING ALONE.

IF WE CAN COUPLE THAT WITH THIS INCREASED MAINTENANCE, ON A LOCAL LEVEL, AND, AND DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER THINGS LIKE USING MAKING OUR SURFACES MORE PERMEABLE ABSORB FOR WATER.

A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO LOCALLY THAT WILL I AM PROVEN THE SITUATION.

BUT IF THERE'S NOBODY PLANNING FOR IT AND DOING IT, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 30 YEARS.

MADE VERY LITTLE PROGRESS.

>>Daryl: FIND IT INTERESTING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CINDY SAID, ORIGINATION OF THIS PROCESS WAS OVER THE CONCERN ABOUT THE POLLUTION OF THE ALA WAI CANAL.

AND THE FACT THAT'S GOT, OBSOLETE IN TERMS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO DO.

BUT YOU KNOW, I ALSO KIND OF WONDER IF THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE OF HAWAII, THAT HAVE RISK OF SEVERE FLOODING NOT LOOKING AT PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

HOW DO WE CHOOSE ERIC, HOW DID YOU END UP CHOOSING THIS WOULD BE THE AREA THAT WOULD HAVE THE FOCUS OF SO MUCH CAPITAL?

>> I CAN ANSWER THAT.

>>Daryl: I'M CURIOUS, FEDERAL POINT OF VIEW, HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THE PLACE YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS?

>> THE MONEY.

>> ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, ESSENTIALLY, WE DON'T COME IN AND RECOMMEND WHERE SOMETHING GETS DONE.

WE ARE A PARTNERING ORGANIZATION.

SO ENTITY COMES TO US AND SAYS WE HAVE A CONCERN.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

WE WANT YOU TO PARTNER WITH US TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM.

ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM OF WE GET REQUESTS WHAT WE CALL LOCAL SPONSORS.

STATES, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, OTHER ENTITIES FOR ASSISTANCE.

SO THAT IS GENERALLY HOW WE START WORKING ON PROJECTS IN PLACES.

NOT THAT WE COME IN AND SAY, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THINKS YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING HERE.

WE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE BY LOCAL ENTITIES.

>>Daryl: ORIGINALLY THAT WAS OF THE STATE IN THIS SITUATION.

>> STATE OF HAWAII.

AGAIN, 30 PLUS YEARS AGO.

APPROACHED ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT COULD BE DONE.

>>Daryl: THAT'S WHERE MONDAY IS.

>> COST TO BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

HAS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF GAIN IS THAT FOR THE ARMY CORPS TO PUT THEIR MONEY IN.

IF YOU'RE SINCE WAIKIKI IS SUCH A HIGH RISK AREA, EXPENSIVE, IT'S WORTH IT TO PUT THE MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT.

WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE OTHER PLACES.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO DIVERT TOO MUCH FROM THE ALA WAI STUDY DISCUSSION THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOES HAVE OTHER AUTHORITIES LOOK AT FLOOD RISK MANAGEMENT OR RESTORATION SMALLER SCALES.

SO MAY NOT BE AT THE LEVEL OF HONOLULU, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF WAIKIKI WATERSHED, FLOODWAYS ARE RISK ISSUES, FLOOD RISK ISSUES.

SMALLER STREAM, SMALLER COMMUNITY WE DO HAVE OTHER AUTHORITIES HELP ADDRESS THOSE MORE TARGETED SMALLER ISSUES AS WELL.

I WANT VIEWERS TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>>Daryl: REPRESENTATIVE, I'M JUST THINKING, FROM A STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE, ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF ATTENTION ON THIS AREA VERSUS OTHER AREAS THAT MIGHT NEED ATTENTION?

>> SURE.

I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS WELL TOO.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHERE WE DO ALL ALLOCATE LIMITED RESOURCES.

HEADING IN FIRST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, GREAT $2 BILLION SURPLUS.

TOLD THINGS CAN CHANGE IN A HEARTBEAT.

COUNCIL ON REVENUES MET, ENDED UP PROJECTING DOWNWARD TAX REVENUES.

GOVERNOR EXERCISED LINE ITEM VETO AUTHORITY TO CUT CERTAIN ELEMENTS OUT OF THE BUDGET.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED FOR PUT LIMITED RESOURCES.

ASK PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, IS ALA WAI ONE YOUR TOP TEN THINGS THAT YOU WANT FUNDED?

GOING TO COST US LOCALLY OVER $100 MILLION.

DOUBT IT WILL MAKE THE TOP 25 OR 50 LIST.

>>Daryl: WHAT I'M GETTING AS.

LIKE WHAT IS THE WAY LESS ALTERNATIVE, WAY LESS EXPENSIVE, WHAT HAPPEN WE DON'T DO THIS?

RICK?

>> WELL, IF WE GET A KIND OF STORM THAT WE ANTICIPATE CAN HAPPEN, MORE OFTEN, GIVEN CURRENT CLIMATE CHANGE SITUATION, IT COULD COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS IN A STORM.

IF WE DON'T SPEND THIS MONEY, WE COULD END UP SORT OF LIKE PAINT PENNY NOW, PENNY LATER.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

SO WAIKIKI IS ALSO HIGHLY RISK FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, SEA LEVEL RISE, TSUNAMI, YOU NAME IT.

SO THE COMPANY THAT IS BUILT HOTELS, PRESUMABLY HAVE TAKEN SOME OF THIS INTO ACCOUNT HOW THEY BUILD THE BUILDINGS.

REALLY, IS THE RISK FROM A FLOOD OF FRESH WATER FLOOD COMING DOWN ANY WORSE THAN TSUNAMI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT IF I'M AN OWNER, I'VE GOT TO BE BUILDING AROUND THAT?

IS THERE RESPONSIBILITY FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO PREPARED FOR THIS INSTEAD OF GOVERNMENT TRYING TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.

>> INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS LOOK AT HOW THEY MANAGE THEIR PROPERTIES.

SO MANY OF THESE ISSUES ARE MUCH BROADER IN TERMS OF STORM WATER MANAGING STORM WATER.

INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS CAN'T DO IT.

NEEDS TO BE DONE REGIONALLY BY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.

>>Daryl: EXTEND THAT QUESTION.

LOW IMPACT PLAN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN AS QUICKLY MAYBE LESS EXPENSIVELY OR MAYBE THE MONEY IS SPREAD OUT OVER MORE AREAS, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES TO THIS BUILD?

>> HAWAII LIKE ASK ABOUT THE SEA LEVEL RISE OF WAIKIKIMENT BECAUSE WHAT IS PROJECTED IF IT'S HAPPENS 3 FEET, WHAT IS THE FLOODING FROM ACROSS THE CANAL GOING TO BE?

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO RETROFIT, HAVE TO RETROFIT PRINCESS KAIULANI, RITZ‑CARLTON BUILDING UP.

KAKAAKO, TO ADDRESS THIS POTENTIAL SEA LEVEL RISE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT, HOW HIGH IS THE FLOODING FROM THE MAUKA SIDE PREDICTED TO BE?

>> I CAN'T TALK SPEAK TO SPECIFIC FLOOD ELEVATIONS.

WHAT I CAN SAY IN OUR STUDY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE FOCUSED ON RIVERING FLOODING OR FLOODING COMING FROM THE MANOA, PALOLO, MAKIKI AND ALA WAI CANAL, WE ARE MANDATED, WE MUST, CONSIDER HOW THAT FLOODING INTERACTS WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.

WITH STORM SURGE.

SO WE INCORPORATE THREE PLUS FEET OF SEA LEVEL RISE THROUGH I THINK 2080 IN OUR MODELS.

LOOK OUT FOR THE FUTURE, LOOK AT FUTURE FLOODING, AND WE LOOK AT HOW PROJECT IS PERFORM, WOULD BE PERFORMING AT THAT DATE, SEA LEVEL, ASSUMING SEA LEVEL RISE HAS OCCURRED TO THAT LEVEL.

SO MAPS, DATA, DRAFT REPORT, HAVE THAT BUILT INTO IT.

I DO WANT FOLKS TO REALIZE THAT.

ALTHOUGH WE LOOKING AT RIVERING, FLOODING, HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW SEA LEVEL RISE INTERACT WAS THAT RIVERING FLOODING AND WHAT TYPES OF THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT COMBINED RISK.

I BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT.

FOCUSED RIVERING FLOODING DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT PURELY COASTAL RISK TSUNAMIS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ECOSYSTEM RESERVATION BEFORE, WHAT WE SAY IS THAT IS ONE, OUR STUDY AND THIS PROPOSED PROJECT IS ONE CRITICAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE FOR ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE ISSUES WITHIN THE WATERSHED.

THIS STUDY DOESN'T PRECLUDE THOSE ADDITIONAL EFFORTS WERE BEING UNDERTAKEN.

HELPS US TO ADDRESS FLOOD RISK NOW.

IT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT QUICKEST WAY TO HELP REDUCE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH RIVERING FLOODING AND THOSE RISKS AND HOW THINK INTERACT WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.

>> LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATED THIS MONEY TO LAST SESSION TO BEGIN THAT PLANNING PROCESS IN TERMS OF SEA LEVEL RISE IN WAIKIKI.

I THINK IT'S TOTAL 400,000 IN THE LAST SESSION.

>> I THINK THEY DID ANOTHER 800,000 STRETCHED OVER NEXT 2 YEARS.

LIKE 1.2 MILLION.

TO DO THAT PLANNING FOR HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADAPT WAIKIKI HANDLE SEA LEVEL RISE.

IT ISN'T DIRECTLY LINKED TO THIS PROJECT OBVIOUSLY.

BUT THIS PROJECT IS ON THE TABLE AS WELL.

SO IT IS BEING CONSIDERED OF THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

IF THIS STORM HAPPENED TOMORROW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?

RICK?

>> WAIKIKI WOULD GET SHUTDOWN.

IF WAIKIKI GETS SHUT DOWN, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOSS IN TERMS OF REVENUE FOR THE STATE.

>>Daryl: WHAT HAPPENS COMES IN AND SUPPORTS INDUSTRY, SUPPORTS THE WORKERS IN THE SITUATION.

>> ACTUALLY I'M NOT FINISHED.

>>Daryl: SORRY.

>> BECAUSE ALSO GOING TO HAVE BIG DEAL OF FLOODING.

DEPENDS ON HOW WIDE SPREAD.

SAYING EARLIER.

STORM IS.

COULD AFFECT THE WHOLE ISLAND.

FOR EXAMPLE.

SO YOU'VE GOT IN ADDITION TO THE BUSINESS IN WAIKIKI, BEING SHUTDOWN, LAGOON AT ALL OF THIS RESIDENTIAL DAMAGE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE PLACE AS WELL.

SO WE WOULD SUDDENLY BE IN A SITUATION LIKE YOU'VE SEEN IN SOME OF AREAS ON THE MAINLAND.

GUAM.

FLORIDA, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO RECOVER FROM THAT.

FROM THAT DAMAGE.

>>Daryl: DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT USUALLY STEP IN IN THOSE SITUATIONS?

>> I THINK ERIC PART OF YOUR WHOLE CALCULATION BECAUSEY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD.

SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING AT THIS AT THIS PROJECT, BUILD IT NOW SPEND LESS MONEY LATER TO DEAL WITH THIS EVENT.

>>Daryl: FAIR DESCRIPTION OF THE CALCULUS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

LOOK AT CALCULATING BENEFIT IT'S WE LOOK AT THE PROBABILITY OFFULLY GIVEN STORAGE KIND OF OR OVER 50 YEAR PERIOD.

SO ABOUT 2080.

ANY GIVEN YEAR, WHAT IS THE ANNUAL DAMAGE?

SO WE DO LOOK AT HOW MUCH DAMAGE, WHAT ARE THE RISKS KIND OF CONTINUALLY THROUGH THAT TIME FRAME.

IF WE PUT THE PROJECT IN, WHAT ARE THOSE BENEFITS?

HOW MUCH DAMAGE?

HOW MUCH LIFE SAFETY RISK ARE WE REDUCING.

RICK IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT STATEMENT.

OLD ADAGE.

OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE.

RATHER BE SPENDING MONEY NOW TO PREVENT THESE ISSUES THAN COMING IN LATER AND HAVING TO KIND OF AGAIN, AND BEGIN, COME AND DO RECOVERY EFFORTS.

>>Daryl: I CAN FEEL YOU WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS 100 YEAR FLOOD.

1%.

NOW DOWN TO 20 YEAR OR 50 YEAR FLOOD.

I'VE HEARD LIKE, NOT GOING TO BE THE 400 YEAR.

WHY BOTHER.

MY QUESTION IS WHY HAS THE LEVEL OF FLOODING YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING COME DOWN.

DOESN'T THAT LESSEN, I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET IT'S REALLY BIG FLOOD?

BUILDING ISN'T GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.

ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

NOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO A 25 OR 50 YEAR FLOOD.

IF THAT HAPPENS, WOODLAWN FLOOD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 20 YEAR FLOOD.

THAT DIDN'T DAMAGE WAIKIKI OR EVEN EFFECT THE CANAL.

I JUST GUESS SINCE THE LEVEL OF FLOODING HAS BEEN REDUCED, IS THAT ALSO REDUCED THE RISK TO WAIKIKI?

OR OTHER PLACES.

I AGREE THAT MCCULLY MOILIILI IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL.

THEY NEED BERMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT WHAT IS REALLY THE REAL RISK TO WAIKIKI NOW?

>> YEAH, SO YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT, THE PREVIOUS FOR THOSE LISTENERS MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR.

PREVIOUS PLAN WAS FOR, PROTECT ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD, PROTECTING AREA AGAINST 100‑YEAR FLOOD.

OCCURS AVERAGE OF 100 YEARS.

OR 100% CHANCE MUCH OCCURRING ANY GIVEN YEAR.

SINCE THAT TIME, ARMY CORPS HAS CHANGED HOW WE DO PLANNING.

SO NOW WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC EVENT.

ALWAYS ASK THIS ASK QUESTION.

WHAT EVENT ARE YOU LOOKING AT NOW?

I SAY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 50 YEAR.

TRY TO DO NOW IS NOT DESIGNING FOR SPECIFIC EVENT.

TRYING TO FIND THAT THE OPTIMAL PLAN, MAXIMIZE BENEFITS PER COST.

CALL IT NET BENEFITS.

BE ECONOMIC BENEFITS.

BE OTHER SOCIAL BENEFITS.

TRY TO CAPTURE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BENEFITS.

THAT PLAN KIND OF CALL IT BENEFIT COST RATIO.

OR NET BENEFITS.

MAXIMIZES DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BENEFIT YOU GET AND COST THAT YOU PAY TO GET THOSE BENEFITS.

TODAY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT OPTIMAL LEVEL IS.

COMES INTO THE PERIOD.

ADJUSTING HEIGHTS OF FLOOD WALLS, BERMS OF LEVIES.

GETS THAT OPTIMAL PLAN.

LEVIES HOW WE IDENTIFY THE PLAN MOVERRING FORWARD TRYING TO PICK 100 YEAR PLAN GOING FORWARD.

>>Daryl: I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WHETHER THE 30 OR 40 YEAR FLOOD NOW IS EQUIVALENT TO WHAT A 100 YEAR FLOOD WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN CHANGES IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

>> CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER IS COMING DOWN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FLOODING AT ANY OF THOSE, IF WE HAD A 20 YEAR STORM, HAVE FLOODING.

50 YEAR STORM.

FLOODING.

ARE QUESTION HOW MUCH WATER.

IF THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT IS BUILT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE HANDLE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER.

IT'S GOING FOR HAVE A POSITIVE BENEFIT AT ANY OF THOSE STORM LEVELS.

SO THEREFORE, I THINK IT'S STILL MAKES SENSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

BUT IT CANNOT BE THE ONLY THING WE DO.

WHICH IS SOMETHING I REALLY AGREE WITH.

>>Daryl: YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS OF THIS THAT YOU DO AGREE WITH.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH ABOUT THIS PLAN?

WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST OBJECTIONS?

>> THIS PARTICULAR ITERATION, I DON'T OBJECT TO THAT.

PREFER TO SEE MORE NATURE BASED.

I DO QUESTION, HATE TO SAY, BECAUSE I THINK LEVEL OF THREAT IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSING HAS BEEN LOWERED.

OTHER AREAS ON THE ISLAND THESE RAIN BOMBS COULD HIT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY TO PROTECT AGAINST SOMETHING THAT MAY OR NOT HAPPEN.

>>Daryl: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE RESIDENTS NOW ABOUT WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF TOLERANCE IS FOR EITHER THESE WALLS OR JUST ANYTHING UP WHERE THEY LIVE, THAT WILL AFFECT DOWNSTREAM, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE LIVE OR WORK?

>> SURE.

MY COMMITTEE LOOK THROUGH THIS FLOODING.

NO IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL EXERCISE OR DISCUSSION.

2004 FLOOD IS STILL FRESH IN THE MINDS OF MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS.

BUT I THINK AGAIN, GO BACK TO THE MAINTENANCE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR FLOOD, THEY DID AFTER ACTION REPORT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MAIN CAUSE WAS.

ATTRIBUTE IT BACK TO THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE.

CINDY TALKED TO NARROW OPENING UNDER THE BRIDGE.

I THINK REALLY IS A CLAMOURING FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WHETHER IT'S STATE LEVEL.

A LOT OF NONPROFITS DOING GREAT WORK.

KO'OLAU WATERSHED MOUNTAIN WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP IS DOING GREAT WORK TO TRY REMOVAL ALBESIA PART OF THESE CLEAN‑UPS.

AGAIN, WATER SHOULD ASSOCIATION.

>> >> YES, EVERY WEEK DIFFERENT NONPROFIT GROUP OUT BY THE ALA WAI THROWING GENJI BALLS IN.

HOPING TO ELIMINATE SLUDGE AND MAKE IT SWIMMABLE AND FISHABLE.

BY 2026.

NOT SURE IF I'M EVER GOING TO DIP MY TOES IN THE CANAL.

>> DOESN'T ADDRESS PEOPLE IN UPPER MANOA.

DOESN'T PROVIDE THEM THAT MUCH FLOOD PROTECTION.

>> CHALLENGE HERE IS KIND OF AT THIS IN THE PROJECT ITSELF.

KNOW ARMY CORPS IS DOING THEIR PART WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

BUT NOT GOING TO GET THE DETAILS UNTIL THEY ISSUE THEIR DRAFT REPORT.

INITIALLY TARGETING JULY TO ISSUE THIS.

KIND OF SLIPPED BACK TO AUGUST AT THIS POINT.

BUT UNDERSTANDABLE.

COMPLICATED COMPLEX PROJECT.

>>Daryl: TERMS OF PROCESS GOING FORWARD, ERIC, PRESUMING THAT YOU FOLKS GET TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT BASED ON ALL OF THE INPUT WE'VE GOT, SCIENCE WE HAVE, THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

AT THAT POINT, YOU WOULD NEED TO SEEK A LOCAL MATCH.

REQUIRE LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL BY COUNTY AND LEGISLATURE.

>> A LOT OF AHEAD OF US EXECUTING ANYTHING.

SENSE OF TIMELINE?

>> SO, LIKE I HAD SAD EARLIER, IT IS CHALLENGING.

LIKE SAID EARLIER.

OUR STUDY, OUR STUDY IS SLATED TO END MAY, MAY TIME FRAME OF NEXT YEAR.

SO THAT IT'S TIME LINE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON TO EXECUTE STUDY.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

AFTER THE STUDY ENDS, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO AUTHORIZE CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO HAS TO APPROPRIATE OR FUNDING FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION.

LOCAL SPONSOR WOULD HAVE TO FIND FUNDING.

SO WE ARE STILL EVEN THOUGH FEELS LIKE WE'VE BEEN IN THE STUDY FOR A LONG TIME, STILL EARLY IN THE OVERALL PROCESS.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEY MEETING HALL TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT TIMELINE.

ONCE WE FINISH THE STUDY OUT OF OUR HANDS UNTIL CONGRESS SAYS, OKAY, GO AND DO GOOD THINGS.

THEN AT THAT POINTS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEW YEARS CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.

SO FORTH.

>>Daryl: IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS FASCINATING.

IT'S BIG, IT'S GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE EFFECTED.

A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

LOSS A LOT OF TIME TO DO SOME OTHER STUFF IN THE MEANTIME.

AND I'M WONDERING, BOTH WHAT DO YOU SEE DOING THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE DOING, COMMUNITY SHOULD BE DOING EVERYWHERE?

THESE RAIN BOMBS CAN HAPPEN NEVER ANYWHERE.

>> FEELS TOTALLY RANDOM.

>> I THINK THAT CITY COULD GET THE WORD OUT.

THERE'S A ALA WAI WATERSHED, 43 SCHOOLS.

THIS GET TOGETHER.

GO A LOT OF WORK IN THE STREAMS.

EDUCATING THE KEIKI TO GET OUT THERE AND DO CLEAN‑UPS AND EARTH DAY, ACTIVE IN THE STREAMS.

>> I THINK BY EDUCATION, YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE MORE INVOLVED IN THE STREAMS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

PEOPLE CHOP DOWN MANGO TREES, TOSS THEM IN THE STREAM.

KNOW ABOUT THEIR OBLIGATION.

AGENCY OVERSEEING CLEANING OF STREAMS.

PARTNERSHIPS $1.8 MILLION UP NOW WITH THE KO'OLAU MOUNTAIN PARTNERSHIP TO CLEAN ALBESIA.

MORE PROJECTS LIKE THAT WILL BE ONGOING.

THEN HAVE AT AGENCIES GET TOGETHER.

STATE, CITY NONPROFIT.

ALL GET TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO.

>>Daryl: DO YOU SEE A WILL TO DO THAT?

OF GOVERNMENT?

ACTUALLY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

TO JOIN FORCES?

I KNOW ON LIKE HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING THEY ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS WORKING TOGETHER.

>> I THINK WE HAVE WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE DRAFT REPORT THAT THE ARMY CORPS IS PREPARING REVEALS.

>> HARD TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION WITHOUT REALLY SEEING THE CASE MADE BY THEM.

AGAIN, BEING AT THE LEGISLATURE ALL ABOUT JUST PRIORITIZING NEEDS AN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE PUT OUR LIMITED RESOURCES.

>>Daryl: I'M ASKING DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES TO STREAM MAINTENANCE, WATERSHED RESTORATION, THAT WITHIN THE MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE INVOLVE IN THAT, DO YOU SEE PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER TO POOL THEIR RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THAT.

>> CERTAINLY A DISCUSSION WORTH HAVING WITH THE APPROPRIATE PARTNERS.

>> NOT LAST SESSION, BUT THE SESSION BEFORE, LEGISLATURE MODIFIED THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT LAW TO ALLOW IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS TO BE USED FOR WATERSHED MANAGEMENT.

>>Daryl: EXPLAIN HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

>> IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IS WAIKIKI WE HAVE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS.

THIS WOULD BE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT THAT WE CALL IT A CIVIC.

THIS IS WHAT THE ALA WAI COLLABORATION IS RECOMMENDING.

WITH THE IDEA THAT ALL EACH OF THESE COMMUNITIES WOULD BE AND GOVERNMENTS, AGENCIES WOULD BE REPRESENTED ON THIS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS WOULD THEN ATTACK THESE VARIOUS ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE, STREAM MAINTENANCE, FLUSHING SYSTEM FOR ALA WAI CANAL.

A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPOSED PROJECTS.

MANY OF WHICH ARE EXACTLY KINDS OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF MORE NATURE BASED PROJECTS.

YOU NEED SOMEBODY MANAGE THE PROCESS.

IDEA IS TO HAVE THIS CIVIC MANAGE THE PROCESS.

QUESTION IS WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME TO DO IT?

ORIGINALLY, LEGISLATURE HAD APPROPRIATED, ALLOWED THE COUNTIES TO USE TO CREATE A STORM WATER FEE IF YOU WILL, THAT IS THE BASIS FOR THE IDEA THAT UTILITY, CITY COME UP WITH.

THE CIVIC WE WERE PROMOTING CIVIC BEFORE THE UTILITY.

BUT IDEA THEN IS ONCE THE UTILITY CREATED CIVIC, WOULD WORK UNDER THE UTILITY.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NATURE BASE SOLUTION, HAVE YOU SEEN JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE AGGRESSIVELY GONE TO SORT OF NATURE BASE SOLUTION?

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE BUILDING SAND BERMS AND BIG SAND DUNES AND STUFF.

OUTSIDE HURRICANE PROTECTION AS OPPOSED TO THIS.

HAVE YOU SEEN PLACES WHERE THEY'VE USED NATURE BASED SOLUTION AS ALTERNATIVE TO THE REALLY, DIKING AND BERMING?

>> YES.

NATURE BASED, NATURE BASED WAY REDUCING FLOOD RISK EMPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ELSEWHERE TO REDUCE FLOOD RISK.

SITUATION BY SITUATION.

LOOK AT NUMBER OF NATURAL NATURE‑BASED MEASURES.

REFORESTATION WITH NATIVE SPECIES.

REMOVING ALBESIA.

>> TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE NATIVE HAWAIIAN TARO FARMING PRACTICES.

>> CREATING WETLAND TYPE SYSTEM ALONG THE ALA WAI GOLF COURSE.

THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S SO URBANIZED AND VERY, WATERSHED IS WHAT I SAY, FLASHY, BETWEEN THE TIME IT RAINS TO THE TIME IT FLOODS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME IN THERE BECAUSE WATER RUNS OFF SO QUICKLY.

A LOT OF THOSE MEASURES AND FACT THAT THERE IS NO SPACE REALLY, VERY LIMITED SPACE TO IMPLEMENT THINGS LIKE WET LANDS AND SO FORTH, THOSE TYPES OF FEATURES TO NOT REDUCE FLOODING.

THIS DO NOT REDUCE FLOOD RISK UNDER THE EVENTS THAT ACTUALLY WE SEE DRIVE RISK IN THE WATERSHED.

THAT IS LIKE THE 20 YEAR TO 50 YEAR TYPE OF EVENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

IN THE WATERSHED.

SO UNDER THOSE EVENTS, WE DON'T SEE THOSE TYPES OF MEASURES HAVING ANY MEASURABLE BENEFIT OR REDUCE IN FLOODING IN THE STREAM.

SO YES, ENOS YOUR QUESTION, THEY DO OCCURS ELSEWHERE.

DEPEND EFFECTIVENESS DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM YOU'RE IN.

>>Daryl: YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

YOU SAID THIS PARTICULAR WATERSHED IS SO URBANIZED NATURAL KIND OF PROCESS YOU WOULD PUT IN WOULD NOT HAVE MITIGATING EFFECT THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE?

>> I THINK THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK THAT FLOOD PUMPS AND EVERYTHING THEY TAKE OUT MIGHT HELP WITH IT AND KEEP YOUR WALLS LOWER.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE'VE ASKED TO SEE THE DATA THAT PROJECT IS BASED ON.

BUT IT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN OVER TO US.

WE DO HAVE SOME ENGINEERS WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY.

>> SO TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT, A LOT OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, HAS BEEN CONSISTENT REQUESTS FOR THE DATA AND MODELING.

I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT REPRESENTATIVE GARRETT HAD TALKED ABOUT DRAFT REPORT.

ALL OF THE ANALYSES, MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF ANALYSES AND DATA AND RESULTS THAT WE USED TO MAKE DECISIONS WILL BE IN THE DRAFT REPORT.

SO THAT IS COMING OUT VERY SOON.

LATE AUGUST.

>>Daryl: I NEED TO INTERRUPT YOU.

BRINGING UP THIS.

WE HAVE TO WRAP YOU.

CAN YOU PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW THE PUBLIC CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS?

HOW DO THEY GET INVOLVED IN GETTING THEIR THOUGHTS IN?

>> YES.

WE WILL HAVE NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENTS COMING UP FOR ANYBODY TO JOIN.

NEXT EVENT IS THIS COMING MONDAY.

TALK STORY LUNCH HOUR.

NOON TO 1:00.

HAWAII TIME.

SO GO TO OUR WEBSITE.

LINK FOR THAT EVENT.

ALSO BE HOLDING PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF DRAFT REPORT, ONE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETING.

LIKELY BE 2 TO THREE‑HOUR EVENT FOR FOLKS JUST KIND OF GETTING UP TO SPEED AHEAD OF THE RELEASE OF THE DRAFT REPORT.

PROVIDING KIND OF FINAL UPDATE FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN ENGAGED PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF THE DRAFT REPORT.

ONCE DRAFT REPORT RELEASED TOWARDS ENDS OF AUGUST, TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FORMAL NEPA PUBLIC COMMENT.

VIRTUAL AND PERSONAL MEETING.

ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAN.

THOSE ARE KIND OF IN A NUTSHELL UP COMING EVENTS LAID OUT ON WEBSITE.

>>Daryl: A LOT OF CHANCES TO GET IN ON THAT.

A LOT OF THOUGHTS EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE STATE ABOUT IN ISSUE.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT, AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS: ERIC MERRIAM FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND RICK EGGED FROM THE WAIKIKI IMPROVEMENT ASSOCIATION SIDNEY LYNCH OF PROTECT OUR ALA WAI WATERSHEDS AND STATE HOUSE REP. ANDREW TAKUYA GARRETT.

NEXT WEEK, INSIGHTS WILL BE TAKING A BREAK.

INSTEAD, PLEASE JOIN US FOR KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL.

MORE THAN A DECADE AFTER STARTING CONSTRUCTION AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LATER, THE HONOLULU RAIL IS FINALLY WELCOMING ITS FIRST PASSENGERS NEXT WEEK.

WE FIND OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW AND WILL IT BE WORTH THE RIDE?

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

ALOHA!