>> SEVERAL SEATS IN THE STATE SENATE ARE UP FOR GRABS THIS ELECTION YEAR AS LONG-TIME INCUMBENTS RETIRE.

THREE DEMOCRATS ARE LOOKING TO MAKE THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT IN THE DISTRICT 6 RACE, WHICH REPRESENTS PORTIONS OF SOUTH AND WEST MAUI.

AND ON O'AHU, THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR THE DISTRICT 11, MANOA, MAKIKI HEIGHTS SEAT, PITS A NEWCOMER AGAINST A VETERAN POLITICIAN.

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I START NOW.

>> Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I...I'M DARYL HUFF.

BALLOTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MAILED OUT ACROSS THE STATE FOR THE UPCOMING PRIMARY ELECTION.

AND TONIGHT WE'RE COVERING TWO RACES IN THE STATE SENATE INCLUDING DISTRICT 11 ON O'AHU.

BUT WE BEGIN ON THE VALLEY ISLE.

DISTRICT 6 COVERS A LARGE PORTION OF SOUTH AND WEST MAUI, INCLUDING MAKENA, WAILEA, KIHEI, LAHAINA AND KA'ANAPALI.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

TAMARA GOEBBERT WAS RAISED IN KIHEI AND GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I AT MANOA WITH DEGREES IN JOURNALISM AND POLITICAL SCIENCE.

SHE'S ALSO WORKED AS A LEGISLATIVE AIDE IN THE STATE HOUSE AND INTERNED IN THE SENATE.

SHAINA FORSYTH WAS BORN ON MAUI AND GREW UP IN LAHAINA.

SHE EARNED A DEGREE IN ENGINEERING GEOLOGY FROM UCLA AND HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND MANAGEMENT.

SHE CURRENTLY WORKS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.

AND ANGUS MCKELVEY WAS RAISED IN WEST MAUI.

SINCE 2006, HE'S SERVED IN THE STATE HOUSE REPRESENTING DISTRICT 10.

HE HAS A POLITICAL SCIENCE DEGREE FROM WHITTIER COLLEGE AND HIS JURIS DOCTOR FROM CONCORD SCHOOL OF LAW.

LET ME START WITH YOU, ANGUS.

THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT GETTING GOOD MARKS.

AS A LEGISLATOR AND AS THE OLDER STATESMAN OF THIS GROUP, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE REALLY WANT NEW BLOOD?

ARE YOU RUNNING INTO THAT A LOT?

THEY'RE SAYING, I'M TIRED OUR LEGISLATORS.

I WANT SOMETHING NEW.

>> I THINK THEY WANT US TO MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE PROBLEMS PLAQUING MAUI AND THE STATE OF HAWAI'I.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS SAD TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE TWO LEGISLATORS AS FAR AS BAD APPLES.

THIS YEAR WE PUT TOGETHER A COMMISSION TO LOOK AT OVERALL SYSTEMIC CHANGES.

I WAS CHAIR OF GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE AND TRIED TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.

FIRST THING WE DID WAS BAN FUNDRAISING DURING SESSIONS.

WE PUT MANDATORY ETHICS TRAINING, REPEATED ETHICS TRAINING FOR ALL OFFICE HOLDERS.

BOTH IN STATE GOVERNMENT,THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

THERE HAVE BEEN HIGH PROFILE CASES ON THE EXECUTIVE SIDE OF THINGS.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THE COMMISSION'S COMING OUT WITH A FLEET OF NEW RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, HOPEFULLY AS A STATE SENATOR INTRODUCING THOSE BILLS.

THE FRUSTRATION, WE'RE SEEING IT EVERYWHERE.

RENTS ARE SKYROCKETING.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECOMING A FANTASY, A DREAM.

INFLATION SCALPING OUR WORKING FAMILIES.

PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED, AND THEY WANT TO SEE RESULTS.

WE PASSED SOME GOOD BILLS THIS YEAR, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WHEN DO WE SEE THE MONEY.

>> Daryl: LET ME ASK SHAINA FORSYTH.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM VOTERS IN TERMS OF THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE LEGISLATOR NOW AS YOU'RE RUNNING AS A NEWCOMER?

>> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I'M RUNNING.

WE'VE SEEN SO MANY LEGISLATORS IN OFFICE FOR A LONG TIME.

SOME OF THE IMPORTANT POSITIONS, IN GOVERNMENT -- PRESIDENT, GOVERNOR, HAVE TERM LIMITS.

OUR LEGISLATURE DOES NOT.

YOU GET PEOPLE IN FOR MANY YEARS.

I THINK IT'S HEALTHY TO HAVE TURNOVER TO KEEP CORRUPTION DOWN AND KEEP NEW PEOPLE COMING IN WITH PASSION AND MOTIVATION.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE NEW LEGISLATORS EVERY FEW TERMS AT THE LEAST AND CERTAINLY EVERY GENERATION.

>> Daryl: ARE YOU HEARING THAT FROM PEOPLE YOU TALK TO?

>> YES.

>> Daryl: TAMARA, WHAT ABOUT YOU?

HOW DO YOU FEEL?

DO YOU FEEL THE LEGISLATURE HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH TO POLICE ITSELF?

>> SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE FEELING NEGLECTED BY THEIR LEADERS, AND, YES, I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YES, WE WANT NEW BLOOD.

THEY DON'T WANT JUST WANT NEW BLOOD.

THEY WANT BLOOD THAT IS GOING TO BE PASSIONATE.

PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO CARE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SERVING AND NOT GO INTO OFFICE WITH THEIR OWN SELF-INTERESTS.

WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND QUESTION?

>> Daryl: I'M ASKING WHETHER YOU FELT THE LEGISLATURE DID ENOUGH.

GIVEN A MAUI LEGISLATOR AMONG THOSE FOUND GUILTY OF LITERALLY TAKING CASH FROM A BRIBE.

>> I THINK THOUGH COULD HAVE DONE MORE.

THEY COULD HAVE DONE MORE IN TERMS OF JUST UPHOLDING THEIR RELIABILITY AND UPHOLDING THEIR PROMISE THAT THEY MADE TO THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SERVE THEM RIGHTLY AND JUSTLY AND NOT DO ANYTHING ON THE SIDE.

>> Daryl: ANGUS, DO YOU THINK SOMETHING LIKE TERM LIMITS, IT MIGHT BE THE TIME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE TIME, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FOR TERM LIMITS FOR POSITIONS WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE.

CHAIRS AND LEADERSHIP.

ONE OLD LEGISLATOR TOLD ME TURNOVER IS GOOD, CHANGE IS GOOD.

HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, HAVING DIFFERENT IDEAS, WHETHER IT'S TOURISM, HUMAN SERVICES, CONSUMER PROTECTION, TRANSPORTATION.

IF YOU SERVE IN THESE DIFFERENT AREAS DURING YOUR TENURE AND YOU GET A MORE WELL-ROUNDED VIEW AND CAN PUT NEW IDEAS IN THE GOVERNMENT.

I THINK WHEN YOU SEE UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LONG TENURES IN THESE POSITIONS, VERY POWERFUL ONES, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE KIND OF THIS EFFECT TAKE PLACE.

WHERE YOU START TO SEE THESE KINDS OF THINGS OCCUR THAT WE UNFORTUNATELY SAW.

SO TURNOVER IS GOOD IN SO FAR AS BEING ABLE TO NOT ONLY FOR THE LEGISLATURE BUT POSITIONS WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Daryl: THE FACT THAT A COMMITTEE CHAIR WITH SO MUCH POWER CAN KILL A BILL WITHOUT ANYBODY ASKING WHY.

LET ME MOVE OVER AGAIN TO SHAINA FORSYTH.

WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT THE VOTERS ARE ASKING YOU MOST ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES THAT AFFECT FAMILIES?

>> IN DISTRICT SIX AND PROBABLY ACROSS THE STATE, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SURPRISE, IT'S HOUSING.

I HAVE FRIENDS THAT CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE TO RENT, LET ALONE BUY.

BUYING SEEMS OUT OR REACH.

IT'S A PIPE DREAM FOR SO MANY.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE THE NUMBER ONE FOCUS RIGHT NOW.

>> Daryl: WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT?

>> WE CAN USE STATE AND COUNTY LANDS.

THE COST OF LAND IS A BIG HURDLE TO DEVELOPING HOUSING, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS ACTUALLY IN PROGRESS ON MAUI, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.

IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING.

BUT WE CAN LOOK AT MORE LANDS AS WELL.

>> Daryl: TAMARA, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY WAS THERE WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN, I BELIEVE, IN KIHEI THAT GOT REJECTED BY COUNCIL.

THE DEVELOPER GOT MAD.

NOW I'M FREE TO DEVELOP FOR SALE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE FROM THE MAINLAND.

DO YOU THINK EVEN THOUGH FOLKS IN MAUI WANT MORE HOUSING.

DOES THAT NIMBY EFFECT TAKE EFFECT?

HOW DO YOU ARE OVERCOME THAT AS A LAWMAKER?

>> I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE SOLUTIONS.

LIKE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST MODELS.

THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH COMMUNITY LAND TRUST MODELS, THEY'RE BASICALLY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT RETAIN PIECES OF LAND.

WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SELL IT AND RENT IT OUT TO LOW-INCOME FAMILIES.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK MORE INTO.

>> Daryl: NONPROFIT LEASEHOLD?

>> YES.

>> Daryl: LET ME ASK ANGUS McKELVEY, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE, WE'VE GOT THREE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR CANDIDATES.

ALL PROCLAIM SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY OVER HOUSING.

WHAT THAT USUALLY MEANS IS THAT A LOT OF THE PERMITTING AND LAND USE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THAT GET PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN A PROJECT GO AWAY SO THEY CAN HAVE AN EMERGENCY.

DO YOU THINK THAT EMERGENCY LIKE THAT WOULD FLY IN THE LEGISLATURE?

>> I THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT.

AND TO TOUCH BACK ON WHAT TAMARA WAS SAYING, THIS IS AN ISSUE, YOU CAN HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND BUILD ALL THESE UNITS, BUT THEY'LL GET FLIPPED INTO MARKET PRICED HOMES AND GET SPECULATED ON.

YOU NEED TO ENSURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE IN PERPETUITY.

THE 2016 STUDY DONE IN MAUI SAID WE NEED 10,000 MORE UNITS.

IN THE OLD WORLD, YES, MORE INVENTORY MEANS LOWER PRICES, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THE MAINLAND CALLING UP AND PAYING CASH FOR THESE HOMES, YOU'RE SIMPLY GOING TO GET SNATCHED UP.

WE HAVE A PROCESS CALLED 201H.

A FAST TRACK PROCESS.

I REMEMBER YEARS, THEY WOULD COME IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND PROJECTS WOULD GET APPROVED.

TO THIS DAY, ALL OF THESE UNITS WITH THE AFFORDABLE PORTIONS ARE ALL NOW MARKET PRICE.

LAND TRUST RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND AMENDING MAYBE 201H.

IT'S CRITICAL.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP AFFORDABLE IN THE AFFORDABLE CORRIDOR.

>> Daryl: LET ME MOVE ON NOW.

A QUESTION FROM ELLE BY E-MAIL.

WHAT HIGHWAY ISSUE IN WEST MAUI IS YOUR TOP PRIORITY?

LET ME GO TO YOU FIRST, TAMARA.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BIG ROUND-ABOUT BEING BUILT.

YOU HAVE LOTS OF -- MAUI HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE HIGHWAYS THREATENED BY SEA LEVEL RISE.

WHAT IS THE BIG TRANSPORTATION ISSUE IN WEST MAUI RIGHT NOW?

>> A BIG ISSUE IS NOT ONLY ON MAUI.

SEA LEVEL RISE AND COASTAL EROSION.

SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS FUNDING FOR THE CONTINUATION OF -- ANGUS, WHAT IS THAT?

NOT HONOAPIILANI.

>> LAHAINA BYPASS.

>> LAHAINA BYPASS.

FUNDING FOR THAT WAS COMING FROM THE RENTAL CARS, AND ONCE COVID HIT, NOBODY WAS ABLE TO COME.

WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT INCOME TO FUND THIS BYPASS TO GO TO CARRY ON FURTHER.

AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN HIGHWAY PROJECTS, IS TRYING TO MOVE OUR TRAFFIC INWARD.

HOWEVER, WITH THIS, I WOULD LOVE TO TOUCH UP ON THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MOVING AWAY, OR PLANNING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE COASTAL LINES, WE DO NEED TO REMEMBER AND WORK ON THE ACTUAL REASON WHY WE ARE.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

SO WE NEED TO DO OUR PART, WHILE WORKING ON PLAN B, WE NEED TO DO OUR PART TO ENSURE WE WON'T NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE INWARD.

>> Daryl: LET ME FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

TO SHAINA FORSYTH.

DO A LOT OF MAUI PROPERTIES NEED TO START -- MAUI PROPERTY NEED TO START MOVING INLAND TO GET AWAY FROM SOME OF THIS?

THERE'S CONDOS NOW THAT ARE TOTALLY HARDENING THE SHORELINE WITH PERMISSION.

>> RIGHT.

>> Daryl: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN?

DO WE NEED TO LET MAUI BE MAUI?

>> WE CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING ANY MORE RIGHT ON THE SHORE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRIORITIZE THE REALIGNMENT OF HONOAPIILANI HIGHWAY.

JUST LAST WEEK THERE WAS A HUGE SWELL, AS WE ALL KNOW, AND OUR HIGHWAY WAS UNDER WATER WITH THE WAVES.

THAT NEEDS TO BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION.

>> Daryl: IS THAT YOUR FEELING, TOO, ANGUS?

>> YES.

WE GOT RISE GRANTS FROM THE FEDS FOR DESIGN AND PLANNING TO MOVE THE HIGHWAY INLAND.

WE NEED TO PULL DOWN THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS IMMEDIATELY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION.

AND ALSO UTILIZE THE CANE HAUL ROAD.

SO AS WE MOVE INLAND, WE CAN GET PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH.

TO THE POINT MADE EARLIER OF THE BYPASS GOING NORTH, WE GOT SCOTCHED BECAUSE OF COVID.

IF WE SWITCHED THE METHOD OF FUNDING NEXT SESSION, WE CAN GET THAT BACK ON.

PARTICULARLY BECAUSE EIS HAS TO BE UPDATED.

SO IT WILL BE FINISHED BY THE TIME WE GO INTO THE NEXT SESSION, THOSE CONCURRENTLY ARE THE BIGGEST PROJECT FOR THE WEST MAUI AREA AND THEY'RE BOTH NEEDED, LIKE, YESTERDAY.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE ROAD IN AND OUT.

ALL IT TAKE IS LITTLE HIGH SURF OR TREE TRIMMING TO CREATE -- >> Daryl: HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN GOING ON?

THIS DISCUSSION.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON MAUI.

I REMEMBER THAT ROAD.

MAALAIA BEING WET WHEN I WAS THERE.

HOW LONG?

SINCE YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL OR BEFORE THAT?

>> BEFORE THAT.

[LAUGHTER] WAY BEFORE THAT.

OH, MY GOSH.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.

ALL RIGHT.

AND SURE, THERE HAVE BEEN PLANNING PROCESSES AND MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT HAS ANYBODY DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

NOT REALLY.

YES, ALSO, INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE ROADS AND STUFF, WE NEED TO WORK WITH MAUI COUNTY.

THAT IS WITHIN COUNTY JURISDICTION.

>> Daryl: YOU GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SHAINA, ABOUT SCHOOLS AND STUFF ON MAUI?

WE WENT THROUGH THE COVID PANDEMIC, AND THERE'S A LOT OF LEARNING.

RURAL SCHOOLS IN MAUI TOO.

IS THAT A BIG ISSUE AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT?

>> IT IS.

A LOT OF MY FRIENDS AND PEOPLE I GREW UP ARE HAVING CHILDREN NOW.

THEY HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN THAT SUFFERED A LOT OF LEARNING LOSS DURING THE PANDEMIC.

SO PEOPLE ARE VERY EAGER FOR THIS SCHOOL YEAR FOR KIDS TO BE IN CLASSROOMS.

MASKING IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT, BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE READY TO TAKE MASKS OFF.

LET THAT BE UP TO THE PARENT AND CHILDREN IF THEY WANT CHILD TO WEAR A MASK.

WE JUST NEED TO GET BACK TO LEARNING FOR OUR CHILDREN.

>> Daryl: ANGUS McKELVEY, WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES ARE NEED THE?

DO YOU FEEL D.O.E.

ARE RESPONDING TO WHAT NEEDS ARE?

>> YES AND NO.

ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS WE DID IS GIVE TEACHERS LONG OVERDUE PAY RAISES AND STEP COMPRESSION INCREASES SO WE CAN RETAIN TEACHERS.

IT CAME OUT IN THE NEWS YESTERDAY THAT TEACHERS ARE GOING TO UNRETIRE AND NOT LEAVE.

THAT'S A HUGE WIN.

WE NEED TO DO MORE FOR KIDS TO PREPARE THEM TO HAVE SKILL SETS FOR HIGH QUALITY JOBS FOR A DIVERSIFIED ECONOMY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M A BIG FAN OF IS VOCATIONAL ACADEMIES.

GET SCHOOLS TO WORK WITH BUSINESSES TO HAVE REAL LIFE TRAINING AND INVOLVEMENT AND GET COLLEGE CREDIT EARLY IN THE HIGH SCHOOL SYSTEM, SO WHEN KIDS COME OUT THEY'RE READY TO COMPETE.

AND COMPANIES SEE WE HAVE A TALENTED WORKFORCE ON MAUI THAT WE CAN DRAW UPON AND CAN DO BUSINESS HERE.

>> CAN I JUST ADD TO THIS?

REAL QUICK, SO YES, WE DO NEED TO WORK MORE WITH OUR CHILDREN, AND THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT THAT TEACHERS ARE UNRETIRING.

HOWEVER, I HAVE A LOT OF TEACHER FRIENDS, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE EDUCATION INDUSTRY, AND THEY HAVE VOICED TO ME THAT THEY DO NOT FEEL LIKE THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING MET BY THE D.O.E.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO START TAKING CARE OF OUR TEACHERS AND THE FACULTY MEMBERS.

THE PEOPLE THERE SPENDING HOURS ON END WITH CHILDREN.

YES, OUR CHILDREN ARE IMPORTANT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR TEACHERS.

>> Daryl: ONE OF THE BIG PICTURE ISSUES THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER IS WHETHER D.O.E.

SHOULD BE BROKEN UP BY COUNTY.

WHETHER EACH COUNTY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SCHOOLS.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT.

I DO NOT HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER NOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT MIGHT BE BETTER.

EACH COUNTY HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS.

THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND DIFFERENT STUDENTS AND COMMUNITIES, SO I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER.

>> Daryl: LET ME MOVE ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO TOURISM ON MAUI, OVERTOURISM BECAME A MAJOR ISSUE DURING THIS PANDEMIC.

YOU LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

ALL THESE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE DO.

ONE IS TO HAVE A GREEN FEE.

JOSH GREEN DOESN'T LIKE CALLING IT THAT FOR SOME REASON.

[LAUGHTER] AND OTHER FEES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, ANGUS, IS THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL TOURISM IN THE COUNTY OF MAUI?

>> WELL, THERE IS SOME MERIT TO THE IDEA OF HAVING FEES FOR VISITORS TO COME HERE.

AS LONG AS WE CAN ENSURE THEY GO BACK TO THE ISLANDS.

WE NEED TO EXPAND THE RESERVATION SYSTEM THAT DNLR HAS PUT INTO PLACE OR POPULAR ATTRACTIONS.

AND EXPAND AND PRESERVE PUBLIC PARKING AND RESOURCES FOR OUR LOCAL PEOPLE.

I THINK THE MAIN THRUST FOR ME AND A BILL TO DO NEXT YEAR LIKE THEY DID IN ICELAND AND COLUMBIA RIVER GORGE IS WE NEED TO STRESS QUALITY TOURISM, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE MONEY FOR TOURISM DOESN'T GO INTO ADVERTISING.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE MAUI IS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT MAUI.

WE NEED INVEST INTO CULTURAL PROGRAMS, CULTURAL RESOURCES, NATURAL RESOURCES AND EDUCATE THE TOURISTS COMING.

THIS IS WORTH BEING INVOLVED IN AND THIS IS THE QUALITY WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT.

I LIKE THE IDEAS, BUT THERE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES RAISED BY THE GREEN FEE PROGRAM.

I DON'T WANT TO PUNISH LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO GO TO THE MAINLAND FOR BUSINESS OR KIDS GOING TO COLLEGE.

IF WE DO THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES ONLY APPLY TO VISITORS AND NOT TO OUR LOCAL POPULATION.

>> Daryl: SHAINA, YOU WORK IN THE VISITOR INDUSTRY DESPITE HAVING A COUPLE TECH DEGREES.

WHAT'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE?

>> IT'S REACHED A THRESHOLD.

EVEN FROM THE TIME I WAS A CHILD ON MAUI AND NOW.

IT FEELS LIKES MAUI IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS.

THIS MORNING THE WAIT AT THE AIRPORT IS HOURS LONG.

YOU GO ON THE ROADS.

THERE'S ONE ROAD IN AND OUT OF WEST MAUI, AND IT'S CONGESTED.

I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT TOURISM THRESHOLDS.

EACH COUNTY CAN DO A STUDY ON WHAT THAT MAXIMUM LEVEL CAN BE FOR THEM.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT SO WE CAN HAVE QUALITY TOURISM OVER QUANTITY.

WE ALSO NEED TO BETTER ENFORCE ILLEGAL RENTALS, AIRBNBS, VRBOS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE.

ALSO TAKING UP VALUABLE HOUSING INVENTORY THAT LOCALS CAN LIVE IN.

RE REALLY NEED TO ENFORCE THAT BETTER, AND NO MORE HOTELS.

WE HAVE ENOUGH.

>> Daryl: TAMARA THOUGHTS ABOUT OVERTOURISM.

>> I WANT TO TOUCH UPON THE ILLEGAL AIRBNBS.

WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT PEOPLE OUT OF STATE ARE BUYING HOMES AND RENTING IT OUT FOR WAY ABOVE MARKET PRICE.

MY IDEA WOULD BE TO TAX THESE PEOPLE EXTRA IF THEY'RE NOT RENTING AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE TO OUR LOCAL FAMILIES.

AND IN TERMS OF OVERTOURISM, YEAH, I'M ONBOARD.

WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED A RESERVATION SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY ON HALEAKALA AND GETTING INTO STATE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MY ONE QUESTION ABOUT A THRESHOLD IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR THAT?

IS SOMEONE GOING TO TRY TO BOOK A FLIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO GO WHOOPS, CAN'T DO THAT.

SO MANY THINGS WE CAN DO, BUT IT'S BREAKING DOWN THE PROCESS.

IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER.

NOT JUST BETWEEN LEGISLATORS BUT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

>> Daryl: ANGUS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC TACTIC?

>>> IT'S A MULTI-PONGED THING.

THEY'RE THE ENTITIES THAT REGULATE AND HAVE OVERSIGHT AS FAR AS WHAT'S PERMISSIBLE AND NOT.

SOME THINGS LIKE A CARRYING CAPACITY.

WE CAN -- IT WILL BE CHALLENGING TO ENFORCE IT.

YOU CAN BOOK A TICKET AND COME TO MAUI.

THERE'S STOPPING IT.

WE CAN LOOK AT A T.A.T.

RATE.

WE CAN LOOK AT EXPANDING THE RESERVATION SYSTEM, THINGS LIKE THIS TO TRY TO HOLD THE NUMBERS DOWN.

THE RENTAL CAR TAX I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT WE PASSED TO FUND THE BYPASS.

ALONG THOSE LINES.

INCREASE THE RENTAL CAR TAX FOR VISITORS.

THEY'RE MORE INCLINED TO NOT RENT RENTAL CARS.

TWO OR THREE PER FAMILY.

AND IMPACT THEY'RE HAVING IS GOING TO FUND A MUCH-NEEDED HIGHWAY CORRIDOR THAT WILL TAKE TRAFFIC OUT OF LAHAINA TOWN, WHICH IS CAUSING A HUGE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON KEAWE STREET NOW.

>> Daryl: HOW BIG AN INCREASE IN THE RENTAL FEE WAS IT?

>> WE RAISED IT TO $7 A CAR.

THE BILL SAID THAT FEE HAD TO BE SPENT ON LAHAINA BYPASS.

>> Daryl: WHY WOULD IT BE SO RESTRICTIVE?

>> BECAUSE DOT WILL TAKE IT, PUT IT ON OAHU, PUT IT HERE.

PUT IT OVER THERE.

>> Daryl: WHY NOT MAKE IT $20, $30?

AND MAKE PLENTY OF MONEY, SHAINA?

WHY NOT JUST ZAP 'EM.

>> WE COULD.

I'M SURE A LOT OF STUDY WENT INTO DECIPHERING THE $7 AMOUNT.

>> Daryl: YOU'RE SO NICE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD QUESTION PAST DECISIONS, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN PUTTING THOUGHT INTO FUTURE DECISIONS.

>> Daryl: WHAT KIND OF FEES DO YOU SEE, TAMARA, THAT YOU CAN USE ON TOURISTS?

YOU MENTIONED HIGHER TAXES ON RENTALS.

DO YOU THINK PRICING TOURISTS WILL WORK OR WILL TOURISTS STILL COME?

>> EARLIER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BYPASS BEING BUILT.

WE WERE RELYING ON THESE FEES COMING FROM RENTAL CARS.

COVID HAPPENED AND WE HAD TO STOP.

WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO FUND THIS?

BESIDES STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING, SURE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TAX OUR COMMUNITY MORE.

OUR PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING ENOUGH.

SO WE NEED TO THINK OF MORE WAYS.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF TAXING WITHOUT IT BEING A BURDEN.

>> Daryl: ANGUS.

>> YOU CAN ONLY FUND HIGHWAYS THROUGH GAS TAXES AND OTHER KINDS FEES LIKE THIS.

THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS DON'T PAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE HIGHWAY AND VISITORS DO IT.

COVID WAS UNSEEN.

BY SWITCHING IT FROM A REVENUE BOND TO A REIMBURSABLE BOND.

WE CAN GET THE BONDS FLOATED IMMEDIATELY TO BUILD THE HIGHWAY.

AS FUTURE RENTAL CAR TAX COMES IN, AND IT WOULD PAY THE BOND MORE.

COVID WAS UNEXPECTED.

NOBODY WOKE UP AND SAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC.

WE NEED TO OFFSET THE IMPACT OF THE VISITOR BUT BE REALISTIC IN THE FACT THAT THEY'RE THE MAJOR INDUSTRY.

THEY PROVIDE A NUMBER OF JOBS FOR OUR WORKING FAMILIES.

HOW DO WE MANAGE TOURISM?

SO THAT WE STILL HAVE -- AS WE TRY TO DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY.

>> Daryl: THAT WAS EXACTLY THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO POP ON SHAINA FORSYTH.

AS A PERSON WITH A TECH DEGREE WHO CAME TO MAUI WORKING HOSPITALITY, WHERE DO YOU SEE, PARTICULARLY FOR MAUI, OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY?

YEAH, THERE'S AGRICULTURE, BUT WHAT ELSE COULD THERE BE ON MAUI?

WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LOOK FOR?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY AGRICULTURE, BUT IN ADDITION TO AGRICULTURE, IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE A COLLEGE ON MAUI, AN EXTENSION ON U.H.

THERE'S A LOT OF NEW AREAS INCLUDING ENTERTAINMENT AND TECH.

WE SAW SO MANY PEOPLE WITH TECH BACKGROUNDS MOVE TO MAUI DURING THE PANDEMIC WITH THE ADVANCEMENT OF REMOTE WORK.

A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TECH INDUSTRY, POSSIBLY SOME ENTERTAINMENT AND AGRICULTURE.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

>> Daryl: HOW DO YOU ATTRACT THOSE INDUSTRIES?

GIVE TAX BREAK TO PEOPLE TO COME AND SET UP A BUSINESS?

>> IT STARTS WITH EDUCATION.

SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE WE'RE DELVING INTO THESE AREAS IN OUR MAUI COLLEGE.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF STUDENTS GRADUATE IN TECHNOLOGY AND ENTERTAINMENT.

>> Daryl: TAMARA, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR DIVERSITY?

>> WELL, I MEAN WE'RE ENCOURAGING S.T.E.M.

INDUSTRIES.

IN KIHEI THERE'S THAT SCIENCE AND RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY.

>> MAUI TECH PARK.

>> YEAH.

THEY WORK WITH, FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW SOMEONE THAT WORK THERE.

THEY WORK WITH TRACKING MISSILES AND WORK WITH SOMETIMES THEY'LL GO TO HALEAKALA AND WORK CLOSELY -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS MAYBE KIND OF PUSH PEOPLE, OUR KIDS TO AT LEAST PURSUE THEIR INTEREST HERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY EITHER DON'T SEE A FUTURE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT ARE AVAILABLE OR THEY JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AFFORDABLE.

I'M THINKING MAYBE MORE S.T.E.M.

I THINK THAT TECH PARK IS AMAZING.

>> Daryl: ANGUS, IN TERMS OF FINDING WAYS TO GET JOBS THERE THAT PEOPLE WITH TECH DEGREES OR WHATEVER CAN USE?

IS THERE ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH?

>> IT CAN BE DONE BUT SOME TRADITIONAL TECH CREDIT PROGRAMS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

BEING A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT IS TO EVOLVE.

SOME OF THE BIG TECH PROGRAMS AREN'T WORKING.

FOR INSTANCE, THE MODEL THEY RELY ON, THEY GROW AND DEVELOPMENT BUT HAVE TO MOVE TO THE MAINLAND.

THAT IS WHERE THE RUB IS.

WE NEED TO RESTRUCTURE TECH CREDIT PROGRAMS SO THEY GO INTO COMPANIES THAT MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO STAY HERE.

MAUI TECH IS AN GOOD EXAMPLE.

I WENT UP THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE OF KIHEI CHARTER SCHOOL THERE.

A LOT OF THOSE SPACES ARE EMPTY.

THOSE COMPANIES MOVED OUT.

WE NEED TO STRUCTURE OUR CREDIT PROGRAMS FOR HIGH TECH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO INTO THINGS LIKE THE TECH PARK.

YOU HAVE BE AT THE TECH PARK.

HIRE LOCAL AND STAY.

YOU HAVE THE TIE AND EDUCATION.

THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KIHEI HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL AS LAHAINALUNA IS SO FAR AS DEVELOPING FUTURE TECH HUBS.

>> Daryl: SHAINA, FOLKS THAT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL WITH, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO ATTRACT THEM TO HAWAI'I?

>> MY COLLEGE FRIENDS?

GOOD PAYING JOBS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ENVY THE LIFESTYLE.

THERE'S A DRAW TO LIVE IN HAWAI'I.

YOU NEED THE PAYCHECK TO BE ABLE LIVE HERE.

>> Daryl: REMINDER TO OUR VIEWERS, I DID GET ADVISED BY A CALLER.

THE REASON THEY DENIED THAT AFFORDABLE PROJECT IS BECAUSE IT FLOODS.

I WANT TO REMIND OUR VIEWERS, WHOEVER WINS THIS WILL FACE OPPOSITION IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

WE WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS -- DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR DISTRICT 6, ANGUS MCKELVEY AND TAMARA GOEBBERT, AND SHAINA FORSYTH.

WE'LL BE BACK WITH THE SECOND RACE OF THE EVENING AFTER THIS HIKI NO STORY FROM STUDENTS AT MCKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL.

>> LOOK.

LOOK, LOOK, LOOK.

WE HAVE SHRIMP.

SEE 'EM?

>> AT HAWAI'I NATURE CENTER, OUR MISSION IS TO CONNECT CHILDREN AND FAMILIES WITH NATURE.

WE WANT TO CREATE THE NEXT GENERATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDS WHO CAN CARE FOR THIS UNIQUE PLACE THAT WE ALL CALL HOME.

>> LOCATED IN THE HEART OF MAKIKI VALLEY ON OAHU, LIES THE HAWAI'I NATURE CENTER.

WHERE YOUNG MINDS CAN GET A FEEL FOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION.

>> THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T EVER REPLACE SITTING IN A CLASSROOM WITH FEELING WIND ON YOUR SKIN OR SEEING A SHRIMP IN A STREAM OR HEARING BIRDS IN A FOREST.

WHEN GROUPS COME, IT ENHANCES WHAT THEY LEARNING IN THE CLASSROOM.

SCIENCE IS AROUND US.

IT'S A DREAM JOB IN THAT SENSE, BRINGING TOGETHER MY TWO PASSIONS, WHICH WOULD BE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND CULTURE.

I FIND IT WONDERFUL THAT I GET TO DO WHAT I LOVE EVERY DAY, TO SHARE THAT WITH THE NEXT GENERATION, THAT'S PRETTY WONDERFUL.

OUR WORLD IS IN BIG TROUBLE.

THERE'S BIG CHANGES HAPPENING, WE CAN IGNORE IT ON A DAY-TO-DAY LEVEL TO SOME EXTENT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING, WE'RE NOTICING MORE AND MORE, AND SO FOR US TO SHARE THAT WITH KIDS, TO REACH KIDS IS VERY VALUABLE.

>> KIDS, AT THE START OF THE WEEK, MAY BE LITTERING AT SCHOOL OR THEIR PARENTS MAY BE USING DISPOSABLE PLASTICS AT HOME.

AND BY THE END OF THE WEEK, THESE KIDS ARE BRINGING ZERO WASTE LUNCHES WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO COMPOST EVERYTHING THEY DON'T USE.

THE KIDS ARE TAKING GREEN BAGS TO THE STORE.

>> A BIG PART IS MODELING BY EXAMPLE.

KIND OF DRAW THEM IN ON THAT DIRECT ONE-ON-ONE CONTEXT.

PULL THEM IN.

GET THEM EXCITED.

SHOW THEM YOU'RE EXCITED.

>> WE WANT THEM TO FEEL EMPOWERED AND INSPIRED.

THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN CHANGING THE COMMUNITY AND TAKING CARE OF THIS PLANET.

>> THE HAWAI'I NATURE CENTER BELIEVES THAT THROUGH EDUCATION, INDIVIDUAL IMPACTS CAN MAKE A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE POSSIBLE POWERED BY TODAY'S YOUTH.

>> THE BEST WAY TO SAVE THE PLANET, I THINK, IS TO FIRST EXPERIENCE IT AND LEARN ABOUT IT AND CARE ABOUT IT.

THAT WILL THEN LEAD TO STEWARDSHIP DOWN THE ROAD.

HAVING THOSE FUNDAMENTAL CONNECTIONS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHAT OUR MISSION IS AT THE NATURE CENTER.

FROM PRESIDENT McKINLEY HIGH SCHOOL FOR HIKI NO.

>> Daryl: WELCOME BACK.

NOW TO THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR STATE SENATE DISTRICT 11 WHICH INCLUDES MANOA, PUNCHBOWL, PAPAKOLEA AND A PORTION OF MAKIKI ON O'AHU.

IAN ROSS WAS BORN ON O'AHU AND GREW UP ON KAUA'I.

HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE MAKIKI -- LOWER PUNCHBOWL -- TANTALUS NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD AND IS A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I AT MANOA.

CAROL FUKUNAGA IS CURRENTLY ON THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL.

SHE'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN ELECTED TO BOTH THE STATE HOUSE AND STATE SENATE.

SHE'S A GRADUATE OF U.H.

MANOA AND THE WILLIAM S. RICHARDSON SCHOOL OF LAW.

LET ME START OFF WITH IAN ROSS.

AS A NEWCOMER, GOING FOR A STATE SENATE SEAT, THAT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM VOTERS ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE?

DO YOU FEEL LIKE VOTERS ARE ANXIOUS TO HAVE NEW PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO VETERANS?

>> WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ESPECIALLY AT OVER THE 6,000 DOORS I'VE KNOCKED ON, IS THE DIVIDE BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENT IS WIDER THAN EVER.

AS SOMEONE WHO SERVES AS NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD CHAIR AND WORKED AS AN AIDE IN THE STATE SENATE, I THINK IT'S FACT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T FEEL HEARD.

PEOPLE DON'T FEEL INVITED TO BE HEARD.

AND I DEFINITELY HEAR A NEED FOR NEW VOICES AND NEW LEGISLATORS TO SERVE.

>> Daryl: CAROL FUKUNAGA, YOU TYPIFY THE VETERAN LAWMAKER.

DO YOU FIND YOURSELF ON THE DEFENSIVE WITH PEOPLE UNHAPPY WITH THE LEGISLATURE OR COUNCIL?

>> NOT REALLY BECAUSE AT THE CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE CERTAINLY LEARNED THAT WHENEVER PEOPLE ARE UNHAPPY AT THE STATE LEVEL OR CITY LEVEL, WE RECEIVE ALL THE COMPLAINTS.

SO I THINK AT THE CITY WE'RE THE CLOSEST TO THEIR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE, SAY, IN MAKIKI, PUNCHBOWL AND OTHER AREAS, WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT CITY SERVICES, STATE SERVICE, WHOLE NINE YARDS.

SO WE OFTENTIMES TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO WORK WITH DIRECTLY WITH INDIVIDUAL GROUPS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.

SO I SORT OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS IN MOTION.

IAN AND I WERE BOTH AT PUNCHBOWL NATIONAL CEMETERY TODAY TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS RAISED AMONG RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT PUNCHBOWL AREA.

AND SO WE CAME AWAY FROM THAT DISCUSSION BOTH HAVING HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATORS, AS WELL AS GIVING PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD A SENSE OF HOW THEY COULD WORK MORE DIRECTLY WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT THE CEMETERY.

IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE SESSION.

BUT ONE OF HUNDREDS OF INSTANCES LIKE THAT.

>> Daryl: IAN, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES COMING TO YOU MOST OFTEN FROM VOTERS ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME RUNNING AS A FIRST TIME CANDIDATE IS HOW CONSISTENT THE TOP THREE ISSUES HAS BEEN.

NUMBER ONE IS HOMELESSNESS.

NUMBER TWO HOUSING, AND THREE CRIME AND COMMUNITY SAFETY.

IT'S VERY SURPRISING TO SEE PEOPLE ACROSS THE POLITICAL DIVIDES AND POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE WIDESPREAD AGREEMENT.

THERE'S A FAILURE BEING ABLE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

>> Daryl: WHAT DO YOU DO?

HOMELESSNESS, YOUR DISTRICT IS VULNERABLE.

YOU PUSH THEM OUT OF WAIKIKI.

THEY COME TO MAKIKI.

YOU PUSH THEM OUT OF CHINATOWN AND THEY COME TO MAKIKI.

WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT THAT AS A STATE LEGISLATURE?

>> FANTASTIC QUESTION.

FIRST, FAILED PROGRAMS AND SWEEPS HAVE PUSHED PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY.

RIGHT NOW MAKIKI AND MANOA ARE RECEIVING A BRUNT OF A LOT OF THIS.

AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR A SHELTER ON THE WINDWARD SIDE, I WAS GOING THROUGH THE TYPES OF ISSUES ENCOUNTERED WHEN YOU WANT TO LET PEOPLE STAY IN A SHELTER.

UP UNTIL LAST YEAR, HOMELESS UNACCOMPANIED MINORS WERE BANNED FROM STAYING AT ALMOST ANY SHELTER IN A STATE.

I WENT TO SENATOR CHANG AND REPRESENTATIVE ADRIAN.

WE GOT A BILL PASSED LAST YEAR WHICH FINALLY REMOVED THAT BAN.

THAT'S THE LEVEL OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL THAT I WANT TO BRING TO THE SENATE.

>> Daryl: I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.

THE LARGER PROBLEM OF HOMELESSNESS, PARTICULARLY FOLKS IN YOUR DISTRICT ISN'T MINOR.

MUCH OLDER PEOPLE, MANY LONGTIME ADDICTS, DRUG ADDICTS OR MENTALLY ILL. >> THAT'S TRUE.

I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SILVER BULLET.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO LINE BY LINE, DETAIL BY DETAIL, GROUP BY GROUP AND ADD THAT HELP.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT, NONE OF THE LEGISLATORS I SPOKE TO UNDERSTOOD AND KNEW THIS PROBLEM EXISTED.

ONE AREA THAT I WANT TO TRY AND WORK ON IS MAKING SURE MEDICAID DOLLARS GO TO BETTER USE.

3.6% OF MEDICARE USERS ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

REJECTIONS AS HIGH AS 61%.

I THINK THERE'S MUCH BETTER USE FOR THAT FUNDING, AND I WANT FRONT LOAD IT TO MENTAL SERVICES.

>> Daryl: LET ME ASK CAROL FUKUNAGA.

AS A COUNCILMEMBER FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS?

>> TEN.

>> Daryl: TEN YEARS BECAUSE YOU HAD TWO YEARS AT THE FRONT END.

YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH HOMELESSNESS ALL OVER THE ISLAND.

WHAT LESSONS HAVE YOU LEARNED THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE TO THE LEGISLATURE THAT YOU THINK WILL FINALLY WORK?

THE PERCEPTION OF THE COMMUNITY IS HOMELESSNESS IS GETTING WORSE, AND THEY WONDER WHEN LEGISLATORS WILL FINALLY FIGURE IT OUT.

>> ACTUALLY, I THINK WE HAVE DONE A LOT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOLUTIONS COMMUNITY BASED.

ON THE WINDWARD SIDE, THERE'S AN INNOVATIVE PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY ONE OF THE FARM COMMUNITIES OUT WAIMANALO, WHERE THEY'VE DONE LITTLE PALETTE PALLET SHELTERS.

SHE HAS INVITED PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS ON THE BEACH TO COME AND LIVE IN THE SHELTERS.

THEY'RE HOMES, TINY STRUCTURES, WE WORKED WITH THE GROUP THAT BROUGHT THOSE PALLET SHELTERS IN.

ALONG WITH LIEUTENANT GREEN, WHO HAS ADVANCED THE KAUHALE CONCEPT.

IF YOU USE SPECIFIC SOLUTIONS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, THAT MAKES THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

I'LL GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IN CHINATOWN.

DOWNTOWN AND CHINATOWN AND IWILEI ARE AREAS THAT CONCENTRATED A LOT OF RESOURCES DURING THE LAST TEN YEARS.

SO ORGANIZED THE PUNAWAI REST STOP, THE HYGIENE CENTER ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

YOU HAVE THE H-4 MEDICAL TRIAGE CLINIC ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSING ABOVE THAT.

THE GOAL IS TO MATCH THE KINDS OF SERVICES AND PROGRAMS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS IN YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.

>> Daryl: LET ME GIVE IAN ONE MORE CHANCE.

CAN YOU SEE SOME PLACE IN MAKIKI WHERE PEOPLE WILL TOLERATE HAVING A VILLAGE OF TINY HOMES?

>> KEEP IN MIND WE ALREADY HAVE TRANSITIONAL HOUSES IN MAKIKI.

ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN CAUSING PROBLEMS, AND I THINK THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT SHOULD BE OFFERED THERE.

TINY HOMES IS A GREAT START.

I AGREE WITH THE COUNCILMEMBER ON THAT, BUT WE SHOULD USE MEDICAID DOLLARS TO WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

RIGHT NOW A LOT OF OUR MEDICAID DOLLARS ARE GOING TOWARDS EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE AT LEAST EFFECTIVE AND MOST EXPENSIVE MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS.

BY USING CMMI GRANTS AND CMS WAIVERS, WE CAN FRONT-LOAD THOSE SERVICES AT THESE FACILITIES AND HELP PEOPLE WITH DRUG ADDICTION, UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> Daryl: LAST QUESTION, CAROL.

I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T USE YOUR FIRST NAME.

WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR AWHILE.

FOR YOUR DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE SOLUTION FOR HOMELESSNESS?

>> I THINK FOR MAKIKI, PUNCHBOWL, TANTALUS, ET CETERA, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT.

WE HAVE TAKEN THE STATE AND COUNTY FOLKS, INCLUDING THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, MAYOR BLANGIARDI'S TEAM TO VISIT ONE PARTICULAR STRUCTURE THAT IS AVAILABLE NOW.

IT JUST CAME ON THE MARKET, WHICH THINK WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE IWILEI, PUNALEI REST STOP TYPE OF FACILITY THAT CAN BE RE-PURPOSED FOR SERVICES AND HYGIENE CENTER TYPE OF FACILITY.

IN THE MAKIKI AND PAPAKOLEA AREAS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH SOME COMMUNITY NONPROFITS IN PAPAKOLEA TO DELIVER SERVICES FOR THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS WHO HAVE NATIVE HAWAIIAN -- >> Daryl: SOUNDS LIKE BOTH OF YOU ARE SAYING, WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELESS HOUSING OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, YOU SEE USING EXISTING BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO A VILLAGE OF SMALL HOUSES, WHICH MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR WAIMANALO.

>> I THINK FOR HONOLULU, PART OF WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FIRST, AND THEN YOU WANT TO GET COMMUNITY BUY-IN.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT PAPAKOLEA IS THAT THE COMMUNITY NONPROIT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH DHHL TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC PARCELS IN THE HAWAIIAN HOMESTEAD AREA WHERE THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN VACANT.

IF YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND RECEIVE ASSISTANCE, THAT MAKES IT MORE MANAGEABLE AND -- >> Daryl: LET ME ASK BOTH OF YOU.

HOUSING IS SECOND BIGGEST ISSUE.

YOUR DISTRICT IS LARGELY BUILT OUT.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTIES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING LET'S IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND START GOING HIGHRISE.

DO YOU SEE AN APPETITE FOR, SAY, IN MAKIKI OR MOILIILI, EVEN UP INTO MANOA FOR HIGHER STRUCTURES THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE?

>> I'M A SUPPORTER OF ALOHA HOMES PROPOSAL.

I THINK BUILDING UP IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING OUT.

WE DON'T WANT TO PAVE OVER EVERY GREEN INCH OF HAWAI'I.

THE ALOHA HOMES PROPOSAL WOULD SPECIFICALLY BUILD ON STATE LANDS, WHICH CUTS DOWN ON A LOT OF THE COSTS RELATED TO ACQUIRING LANDS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

A STUDY THAT WASN'T EVEN THAT FAVOR STILL FOUND A THREE BEDROOM TWO BATHROOM ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT BETWEEN $300,000 AND $400,000 PER UNIT.

>> Daryl: A LEASEHOLD HIGHRISE?

>> YES.

>> Daryl: ARE THERE VACANT STATE LAND IN YOUR DISTRICT?

IT'S GREAT TO PROPOSE A BIG HOUSING PROJECT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S DISTRICT, BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT AND SUPPORT AND PUSH THROUGH A BIG HOUSING PROJECT IN YOUR DISTRICT?

>> MAKIKI CAN PLAY SOME ROLE IN IT.

KEEP IN MIND WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

IT HAS GREAT AMENITIES.

CLOSE TO TRANSIT LINES.

WE HAVE THE STATE LANDS THERE.

WE SHOULD BUILD WHERE IT'S MOST AFFORDABLE AND POSITIVELY IMPACTFUL FOR THE FUTURE OF HAWAI'I.

>> Daryl: CAROL, YOU'VE BEEN KNOWN FOR PROTECTING YOUR DISTRICT FROM STUFF LIKE THAT.

[LAUGHTER] WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE YOUR DISTRICT BE PART OF THE SOLUTION FOR HOUSING EVEN IF IT MEANS MORE DENSITY AND HIGHRISES?

>> I THINK IN MOST INSTANCES, IF YOU LOOK FOR COMMUNITY-BASED SOLUTIONS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUILD LARGE STRUCTURES WITHIN COMMUNITY.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE IN MAKIKI NOW.

1506 PIIKOI PROJECT THAT THE CITY EMBARKED ON.

THEY PURCHASED THE OLD ISLAND PARADISE EDUCATIONAL FACILITY.

AND THAT WAS KIND OF RENOVATED INTO LESS THAN 50 UNITS.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ASSISTED AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION HAS TURNED OUT TO BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.

WE ALSO HAVE A PROJECT OFF WARD AVENUE.

AND WHEN YOU START ADDING A FEW HERE, A FEW THERE.

THERE'S ONE FACILITY IN UPPER MAKIKI THAT SERVES HOMELESS VICTIMS WHO HAVE HAD AIDS IN THE PAST.

I THINK IT'S THESE CLUSTERS OF SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS WHERE OPERATORS ARE TRUSTED AND RESPECT THE BY NEIGHBORS, THOSE WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS HELPING TO HOUSE EVERYONE.

YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF SMALL COMMUNITY PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

>> I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE POTENTIALLY HAVE THE LARGEST DISAGREEMENT.

I BELIEVE WE BUILD INADEQUATE HOUSING FOR LOCAL PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME NOW.

WE LOOK AT KAKAAKO AS ORIGINALLY PITCHED AS THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

WE SEE EMPTY TOWERS.

WE SEE OUT OF STATE SPECULATORS, RISING HOME PRICES.

WE SEE SIX STRAIGHT YEARS OF POPULATION DECLINE IN HAWAI'I.

THE THIRD FASTEST RATE IN THE COUNTRY.

WE DESPERATELY NEED MORE HOUSING FOR LOCAL PEOPLE.

IF WE DON'T TALK TO LARGE PROPOSALS AS WELL AS SMALL PROPOSALS THAT THE COUNCILMEMBER MENTIONED, WHICH I'M A SUPPORTER OF, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

WE'RE GOING TO LOSE MORE FAMILIES AND WILL NEVER BE ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE.

>> Daryl: LET ME CHANGE SUBJECTS BASED ON A QUESTION FROM A VIEWER, CALVIN.

HE ASKED, WHAT ARE YOU MOST PROUD OF IN LAST FIVE YEARS THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP KUPUNA?

YOU HAVE A LARGE POPULATION OF OLDER PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT.

PEOPLE LIVING THERE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES, IAN, FOR THE OLDER PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT, WHAT DO YOU SEE DOING FOR THEM AS A LEGISLATOR?

>> FANTASTIC QUESTION.

I USED TO BE THE PUBLIC POLICY MANAGER FOR ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION OF HAWAI'I.

THERE, I SUPPORTED PROPOSALS THAT HELP PEOPLE AGE IN PLACE.

SUPPORTED CAREGIVERS.

PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE AT HOME WITH DIGNITY.

YOU WORK YOUR LIFE IN HAWAI'I.

YOU RETIRE, AND YOU WANT A CHANCE TO LIVE IN YOUR HOME.

ONE OF THE THINGS I SUPPORT IS SIMILAR TO THE WASHINGTON CARES PROGRAM WHICH HAS THE PUBLIC LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PROGRAM.

A STUDY DONE BACK IN 2008, 2009.

SHOWED IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE IN HAWAI'I.

WE DIDN'T IMPLEMENT IT.

WE SAW WASHINGTON STATE IMPLEMENT IT TO GREAT SUCCESS.

WE SHOULD BRING THAT HERE SO EVERYONE, IF THEY NEED LONG-TERM CARE AS THEY AGE, HAS ACCESS TO THAT SUPPORT.

>> Daryl: CAROL FUKUNAGA, IS THERE ANY LACK OF THAT KIND OF SERVICE?

IS THAT SERVICE LACKING HERE?

>> I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE GAPS.

IN MANOA, IN PARTICULAR, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY RESIDENTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE STARTED LOOKING AT MOST RECENTLY IS WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH CITY SERVICES.

WE STARTED UP THAT CORE PROGRAM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO ASSIST HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS.

AT THE SAME TIME, THAT PROGRAM IS BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PARAMEDIC MODEL WHICH WAS INTENDED TO ASSIST ELDERLY AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF ASSISTING THEM IF THEY TRIP, THEY FALL.

BE SORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO-TO ENTITY.

THE MORE THAT WE CAN DEVELOP IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG STARTING POINT FOR US TO HELP PEOPLE STAY IN PLACE LONGER.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES IN MANOA ALSO GOING TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, WORKING WITH SENIORS.

EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS LEANING AGAINST THE WALL AND LIFTING YOUR ARMS AND BENDING AND SQUATTING.

PROGRAMS LIKE THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE STAY SAFE AND IN THEIR HOMES LONGER THAN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE IN THE PAST.

>> Daryl: IAN MENTIONED CRIME.

WHAT'S THE ROOT OF IT?

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AREAS THAT WE'VE SEEN MORE RECENTLY IS GROWING NUMBER OF PROPERTY CRIME, BREAK-INS CAR THEFTS, ET CETERA.

INSTANCES WHERE OFTENTIMES POLICE ARE NOT ABLE TO COME UP WITH LEADS, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'VE BECOME A REALLY STRONG PROPONENT FOR INCREASING THE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOOD SECURITY WATCH PROGRAMS.

IF NEIGHBORS ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS, THAT HELPS THE POLICE.

IT ALSO GIVES THEM ACCESS TO A LOT INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN SHARE WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS.

>> Daryl: IAN, WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THE CRIME?

WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION?

>> WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE TO FILL MORE OF THOSE POSITIONS.

WE SHOULD RECRUIT LOCAL FOLKS.

ONE THING THAT SHOWS BROAD-BASED APPEAL AND EFFECTIVENESS IS FOOT PATROL.

THAT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE THOSE FEASIBLE WHEN WE HAVE A SHORTAGE.

WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS BACKLOG OF EVIDENCE.

I HAD MY OWN CAR'S CATALYTIC CONVERTER STOLEN.

MY GIRLFRIEND'S MOPED WAS VANDALIZED.

WE HAVE PEOPLE'S FACES ON TAPES AND NO FOLLOW-UP.

MOST TRAGICALLY, 84% OF RAPE KITS BETWEEN 2000 AND 2016 WENT UNTESTED.

THERE'S A BACKLOG OF EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE GONE THROUGH TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

>> Daryl: WOULD YOU SUPPORT -- THEY JUST PASSED LEGISLATION RECENTLY TO CONSOLIDATE MORE OF THE STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE AS A STATE LEGISLATOR OF A LARGER POLICING LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT TO BACK FILL OR SUPPORT THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHAKING THINGS UP.

THIS IS AN EXCITING POSSIBILITY.

IT CAN ALLOW FOR BETTER CROSS-TRAINING ACROSS COUNTIES AND MAKING SURE TAKING LARGER ACCOUNTING OF WHERE THE DEFICITS ARE.

THE BACKLOG OF EVIDENCE IS HUGE.

IN TALKING WITH POLICE OFFICERS, THEY OFTEN TELL ME, I CAN DO A PATROL AND TRY AND KEEP PEOPLE SAFE OR WATCH VIDEO CAMERA FOOTAGE FOR EIGHT HOURS.

AS LONG AS THAT'S THE CASE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ENOUGH TO CATCH VIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO LEFT EVIDENCE BEHIND.

>> Daryl: ANYTHING ELSE ON CRIME OR CAN WE MOVE ON?

>> WE CAN MOVE ON.

>> Daryl: THERE WAS A HUGE SCANDAL IN THE LEGISLATURE.

I KNOW THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE MEMBERS WHO WERE CAUGHT LITERALLY TAKING CASH FROM BRIBES.

WE ALSO HAVE A CAMPAIGN SPENDING SYSTEM NOW THAT IS UNDER FIRE FROM SO MANY ANGLES.

SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPECIAL INTEREST.

DO YOU FEEL THE LEGISLATURE WENT FAR ENOUGH AFTER IT'S MEMBERS WERE CAUGHT RED-HANDED TAKING BRIBES TO PREVENT CORRUPTION?

DO YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD FURTHER CHANGE TO HELP CORRUPTION TO FROM INVADING OUR LEGISLATIVE PROCESS?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL APPROACHES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.

THE HOUSE DID A GOOD JOB OF ESTABLISHING A COMMISSION TO REVIEW SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT SHOULD BE MADE.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT BODY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, COME UP WITH LEGISLATION AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

THE THING THAT I'VE ALSO LEARNED ON THE CITY END, WE HAVE STRICTER REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED INTO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

IN THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE SERVE BOTH AN ADJUDICATORY, AS WELL AS A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION, WE FILE WRITTEN DISCLOSURE ANY TIME A MEMBER HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION OR ZONING DECISION.

THOSE KINDS OF ACTIONS, AS FAR AS INCREASED TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ARE AN IMPORTANT STEP.

THE COUNCIL ALSO REQUIRES ALL MEMBERS TO FILE THEIR EXPENSE REPORTS.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU SPEND OUT OF YOUR LEGISLATIVE FUNDS FOR, WHETHER IT'S PAPER AND FLIERS FOR A TOWN MEETING, ALL THOSE ARE ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR.

>> Daryl: IAN, DO YOU THINK THEY WENT FAR ENOUGH?

DO YOU THINK THEY NEED A THIRD PARTY TO TELL THEM WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEIR BODY?

>> I THINK THE COMMISSION, WHEN I LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALS, THAT GAVE ME HOPE.

BUT ABSOLUTELY, THE LEGISLATURE DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH THIS YEAR.

AS A NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD CHAIR, OUR BOARD SYSTEM IS OFTEN HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD WITH LONGER REPORTING DEADLINES TO GIVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAN OUR LEGISLATURE.

I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

ONE ISSUE IS CHAIRS HAVE A LOT OF POWER.

WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO BEING ABLE TO BE INFLUENCED BY BACK ROOM DEALINGS BUT ALSO THROUGH LEGITIMATE DONATIONS.

WE HAVE THIS DISGUSTING CULTURE OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE IN HAWAI'I.

THAT MAKES PEOPLE DOUBT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF GOVERNMENT.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE LIMITING THE CAPACITY OF LOBBYIST THAT DONATE TO CHAIRS AND VICE CHAIRS DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

THAT'S ALWAYS THE ONES THEY LOBBY DIRECTLY.

AND I ALSO AM PROUD TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SIGN THE OUR HAWAI'I PLEDGE TO NOT ACCEPT CORPORATE DONATIONS.

THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD TO BEGIN TO LIMIT THE ROLE OF THAT IN POLITICS.

>> Daryl: YOU'RE TRYING TO BECOME A FRESHMAN LEGISLATOR.

WOULD YOU SUPPORT A TERM LIMIT ON THAT SEAT?

ANGUS SAYS MAYBE YOU SHOULD LIMIT HOW LONG SOMEONE WHO COULD BE CHAIRMAN OR CHAIRWOMAN OF A COMMITTEE.

DO YOU FAVOR TERM LIMITS?

SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> I THINK A LEVEL OF TERM LIMIT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THERE'S BEEN STUDIES NOW THAT SOME LEGISLATORS HAVE TERM LIMITS.

THEY DON'T FIND THAT THEY EFFECTIVELY IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LEGISLATION.

I THINK THERE'S IMPORTANCE FOR THE UPPER BALANCE.

PEOPLE WHO SERVE DECADES IN SPECIFIC ROLES WHERE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADD A FRESH FACE.

YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CONSOLIDATE POWER THAT LONG.

SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY LIMITING.

LIKE A FOUR-YEAR TERM LIMIT, I DON'T THINK THAT MAKE SENSE.

IT TAKES TIME FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THE BILL.

BUT I DO THINK AVOIDING THAT CONSOLIDATION OF POWER MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND WOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

>> Daryl: CAROL FUKUNAGA, AS A LONG-TIME LEGISLATOR, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT TERM LIMITS?

YOU JUST GOT TERMED OUT OF COUNCIL.

YOU SEEMED TO HAVE ENJOYED IT THERE.

NOW YOU'RE GOING BACK INTO OFFICE AGAIN.

>> I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY FAVOR TERM LIMITS.

THE DISTINCTION I WOULD DRAW FOR THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH -- THE GOVERNOR, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, MAYOR, ET CETERA, THOSE ARE EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS.

YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF A BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS ARE MORE POLICY FRAMEWORKS.

YOU PROVIDE POLICY THAT SHAPING HOW EXECUTIVE ACTIONS OCCURS.

I DO THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING THE IDEAS ABOUT HOW LONG A COMMITTEE CHAIR SHOULD BE IN ONE PLACE.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

WHAT I WOULD THROW OUT AS A WAY OF ENCOURAGING GREATER COMPETITION FOR NEW IDEAS IS CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE BEEN WELL SERVED BY THE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT TYPE OF APPROACH AS COMPARED TO MULTIMEMBER DISTRICT APPROACH WHICH SERVED HAWAI'I FAIRLY WELL UNTIL THE 1980s.

WHEN, I BELIEVE, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SUED TO ELIMINATE MULTIMEMBER DISTRICTS.

WHAT WE FOUND IS WHEN YOU LOST A LOT OF REPUBLICANS, YOU LOT DIVERSITY AND COLLABORATION.

>> Daryl: YOU DO FEEL A STRONGER TWO-PARTY SYSTEM WOULD HEALTHIER SYSTEM?

>> IF YOU HAVE MULTIMEMBER DISTRICTS, I THINK MANY COMMUNITIES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, SAY, A WADSWORTH YEE LIKE WE HAD IN MANOA.

AND SOMEONE WHO WAS A VERY LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE LIKE GOVERNOR NEIL ABERCROMBIE.

>> IF BY PROGRESSIVE YOU MEAN SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO FUND SCHOOLS, ADDRESS CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, ENSURE THAT KUPUNA AND CAREGIVERS ARE SUPPORTED.

IF THAT'S AN IDEA OF BEING A PROGRESSIVE, I WOULD BE PROUD TO BE A PROGRESSIVE.

>> Daryl: I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAID IT WAS BAD TO BE A PROGRESSIVE, NOT IN THIS ROOM.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE IDEA THAT MAYBE HAVING A TWO-PARTY SYSTEM IN THE STATE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT?

>> I CERTAINLY THINK MORE IDEAS ARE BETTER.

AND OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM IS SET UP TO HAVE A PRIMARY AND GENERAL.

WE'RE NOT WELL SERVED WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT SORT OF BATTLING OF IDEAS.

BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NOT BEEN DOING WELL IN HAWAI'I.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ARE BEING DOING THE MOST FANTASTIC JOB.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE STRADDLED WITH A NATIONAL BRAND THAT'S TOXIC IN HAWAI'I.

YOU HAVE TO TRY TO APPEAL TO THAT, AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO TRY TO TALK TO THE VOTERS HERE.

THAT'S INCREASING A DIFFICULT THING TO STRADDLE.

I FEEL SYMPATHY FOR HOW DIFFICULT THE SITUATION THAT PLACES THEM IN.

I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK OUT THE PROGRESSIVE IDEAS WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AND FIND OUT WHERE THE VOTERS STANDS, BUT THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY WHAT OUR SYSTEM FACILITATES.

>> Daryl: CAROL FUKUNAGA, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE 100% BIGGEST CHANGE VOTERS WANT?

>> I THINK VOTERS REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TRUST THEIR LEGISLATORS.

I THOUGHT THAT ONE OF OUR FORMER COLLEAGUES, DENBY FAWCETT, DID AN EXCELLENT JOB TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS CHANGED.

SHE SAID THERE USED TO BE NOT SO MUCH TOWN HALL MEETINGS BUT MORE LIKE THE STEW AND RICE GATHERINGS WHERE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH LEGISLATORS, JUST TALK STORY, VISIT, HAVE A MEAL.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A RETURN TO.

NOT SO MUCH ONLY ON ISSUES -- >> Daryl: GOT YOUR POINT.

GOT TO STOP.

>> OKAY.

>> Daryl: MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS -- THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR DISTRICT 11 SENATE SEAT.

CAROL FUKUNAGA AND IAN ROSS.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE VALLEY ISLE IN WHAT'S SHAPING UP TO BE A VERY COMPETITIVE RACE FOR MAUI COUNTY MAYOR.

WE'LL HEAR FROM THE INCUMBENT AS WELL AS SEVERAL CHALLENGERS WHO ARE PROMINENT COUNTY LEADERS.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I, ALOHA!