>>Daryl: THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN HAWAI'I.

EACH, WITH A DIFFERENT STORY ON HOW THEY ENDED UP ON THE STREETS; JOB LOSS, SKYROCKETING HOUSING PRICES, DRUG USE OR MENTAL ILLNESS.

BUT NO MATTER THE CAUSE, SOLVING THE ISSUE WILL TAKE A COORDINATED APPROACH.

WE'LL TALK POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS, NEXT ON INSIGHTS.

>> HAWAI'I LIKE EVERY OTHER STATE ACROSS THE NATION, IS SEARCHING FOR SOLUTIONS TO ITS HOMELESS CRISIS.

IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT MAY WORSEN AS THE STATE'S PANDEMIC EVICTION MORATORIUM IS SET TO EXPIRE NEXT MONTH.

WITH A NEW ADMINISTRATION AT THE HELM, HONOLULU CITY OFFICIALS ARE LOOKING AT A NEW STRATEGY TO HELP GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS.

FIND OUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS APPROACH AND WHY ADVOCATES THINK IT COULD WORK.

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I START NOW.

¶ ¶ >>Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I.

I'M DARYL HUFF.

THE HOMELESS ARE A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE RANGING IN AGE, RACE, HEALTH AND FAMILY CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THEIR REASONS FOR LIVING ON THE STREETS OR IN SHELTERS ARE JUST AS VARIED.

ACCORDING TO THE 2020 POINT-IN-TIME COUNT, THERE WERE NEARLY 6500 INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE STATE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, WITH THE MAJORITY ON O'AHU.

THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT EXACT AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE ON THE BRINK OF LOSING THE ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS.

ANY PROGRESS WILL REQUIRE SUPPORT FROM ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITIES.

TONIGHT, WE'RE ASKING OUR PANEL WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO END HOMELESSNESS?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVESTREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS WHO ARE BACK IN STUDIO.

SCOTT MORISHIGE IS THE GOVERNOR'S COORDINATOR ON HOMELESSNESS AND SERVES AS THE POINT PERSON FOR ALL HOMELESS ISSUES IN THE STATE.

HE HOLDS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK FROM U.H.

MANOA.

ANTON KRUCKY IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU'S OFFICE OF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

PRIOR TO THIS HE WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF IBM PACIFIC AND THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF TISSUE GENESIS, INC. CONNIE MITCHELL IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN SERVICES, OR IHS.

THE NON-PROFIT PROVIDES A NUMBER OF SERVICES, INCLUDING SERVING THREE MEALS DAILY TO ANYONE IN NEED.

AND CHU LAN SHUBERT-KWOCK IS THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE CHINATOWN BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

CBCA IS A GRASSROOTS NON-PROFIT THAT WORKS WITH THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS FOR THOSE WHO LIVE, WORK AND SHOP IN CHINATOWN.

I APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING YOU SHERBERT.

WHAT'S BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE IN CHINATOWN?

SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN A ROCKY ROAD DURING THIS COVID SITUATION WITH HOMELESSNESS.

>> IT'S VERY HARD FOR EVERYONE.

ALSO VERY HARD FOR THE HOMELESS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD TO STAY IN PLACE, AND YET THERE AREN'T ENOUGH FACILITIES TO HELP THEM.

IT MADE IT WORSE FOR THE MERCHANTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T REMOVE.

SO IT'S BEEN LIKE A DOUBLE WHAMMY FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

PLUS, OUR SANITATION IS DIFFICULT IN CHINATOWN WITH OUR HOMELESS.

THERE WERE MORE THAT CAME TO CHINATOWN DURING THIS TWO YEARS.

>>Daryl: WHY WAS THAT, DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE CHINATOWN IS MORE LENIENT.

LESS ENFORCEMENT, AND PEOPLE ARE USED TO SEEING THEM COME FOR THREE MEALS A DAY, AND THEY HANG AROUND.

IT BECAME VERY ENTRENCHED.

IT BECAME THE WORST TIME FOR CHINATOWN THESE LAST FEW YEARS.

>> CONNIE MITCHELL, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STREETS?

IT DOES FEEL LIKE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.

WHAT WE SEE IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

>> OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH THE COVID PANDEMIC AND SHUTDOWN OF EVERYTHING, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE STATE FOR A WHILE, AND THEN EVERYONE WAS TOLD TO STAY HOME.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WERE LEFT ON THE STREET WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE HOMELESS.

YOU SAW A LOT MORE OF THEM BECAUSE OF THAT.

NOW THAT WE'RE OPENING, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

WE SAW AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING FROM ELSEWHERE AGAIN.

SOMETIMES IT HAS TO DO WITH THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER TO STAY HOME.

SOMETIMES IT'S BEEN THE FACT THAT WHEN THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANYWHERE TO GO, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD A PLACE TO REALLY CALL HOME, THEY END UP BEING WHERE THEY ARE.

>>Daryl: SOMETHING YOU SAY THEY'RE BOTH VISIBLE BUT NOT NECESSARILY MORE.

WHAT WOULD YOU GUESS IS GOING ON WITH THE NUMBERS NOW?

>> GEE, AND I THINK SCOTT WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

I THINK THERE PROBABLY IS AN INFLUX.

TWO THINGS PUT TOGETHER MAKE IT FEEL WORSE.

THERE WAS ANOTHER BOARD BY THE SUPREME COURT THAT TRIED TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL FOR A WHILE, AND THAT CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

YOU SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMITTING CRIMES, BUT THEY WEREN'T KEPT IN THE JAIL FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME.

>>Daryl: SCOTT MORISHIGE, STATE'S HOMELESS COORDINATOR, CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE NUMBERS-WISE WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WHAT CONNIE SAID, HOMELESSNESS IS MORE VISIBLE DURING THE PANDEMIC.

THE NUMBERS, IT'S HARD TO HAVE AN ESTIMATE.

IT'S NOT A STATIC THING.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE MOVING INTO AND OUT OF HOMELESSNESS.

I WORK DOWNTOWN AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

PART OF WHAT YOU SEE IS PEOPLE WHO USED TO STAY INDOORS IN THE STATE LIBRARY OR OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY WOULD GO FOR REFUGE DURING THE DAY, THEY WON'T GO TO THOSE PLACES.

YOU SEE PEOPLE OUTDOORS, ON SIDEWALKS.

PEOPLE WERE MOVED OUT OF THE PARKS.

THAT MAKES IT FEEL MORE VISIBLE.

DESPITE THE PANDEMIC, DESPITE EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, OUR HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDERS WERE ON THE FRONTLINES EVERY DAY.

MOVING PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING DESPITE WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF PERMANENT HOUSING, THAT NUMBER STAYS ABOVE 50% DESPITE EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH THE PANDEMIC.

WE HAD PARTNERSHIPS WITH GROUPS LIKE IHS, PARTNERS IN CARE NOT ONLY HELPING TO GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSING DESPITE EVERYTHING GOING ON, BUT MAKING SURE THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO TESTING.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND.

WORK NEVER STOPPED.

>>Daryl: LET ME FOLLOW UP ON WHAT CONNIE WAS SAYING.

ARE YOU SEEING PEOPLE COMING FROM THE MAINLAND AGAIN?

WHAT'S BEHIND THAT?

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND IT.

>> YEAH.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT OF URBAN MYTH.

OTHER STATES OR CITIES SEND PEOPLE TO HAWAI'I.

I'VE NOT SEEN THAT IN THE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THIS VISION OF HAWAI'I AS THIS PARADISE.

PEOPLE COME HERE WITH HOPE OF FINDING A JOB.

SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY MAY BE ABLE TO LIVE OFF THE BEACH.

THEY EXPERIENCE THE REALITY, AND THEN MANY OF THEM WANT TO GO BACK HOME WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE AS THINGS ARE OPENING UP AND WE SEE MORE TOURISTS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE IDYLLIC VISIONS OF HAWAI'I ARE STARTING TO COME HERE TOO.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE PEOPLE ARE LOCAL BORN AND RAISED HERE.

WE HAVE TO REMAIN FOCUSED ON HELPING PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE SITUATION OF HOMELESSNESS NO MATTER WHERE THEY ORIGINATED FROM.

>>Daryl: ANTON KRUCKY, YOU'RE THE NEWCOMER TO THIS ISSUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WITH YOUR APPOINTMENT.

PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE.

WHAT'S BEEN YOUR IMPRESSION AS YOU'VE BEEN WALKING INTO THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHAT ARE THE MAIN DRIVERS AND CURRENT CONDITIONS?

>> IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROBLEM.

WE WORK TOGETHER ALL THE TIME.

AND WE REALLY DO COLLABORATE.

THE REAL SITUATION THAT I SEE IS THAT THE LAWS RESTRICT WHAT WE CAN DO.

PERSON ON THE STREET, THEIR ABILITY TO -- WE OFFER THEM SERVICES, HEALTH, TREATMENT OR NOTHING.

THEY CAN CHOOSE NOTHING.

AND THERE THEY ARE.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.

MY ANALYSIS IS THAT DECISION-MAKING, I HAVE TO CREATE MORE AND DIFFERENT DECISION-MAKING.

I HAVE TO PUSH SCENARIOS SO A PERSON WOULD BE URGED TO MAKE ANOTHER DECISION.

LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON STREET.

IS IT A CRIME?

CHANGE A DECISION.

ONCE YOU LOOK AT MULTIPLE WAYS, YOU CAN GET THAT DECISION TO BE DIFFERENT AND NOT BE LOCKED INTO THAT ONE.

YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ALL YOUR RESOURCES.

COULD I REACT TO THOSE DECISIONS?

IF I CAN IMPROVE IT, DO WE HAVE RESOURCES?

WHETHER IT BE STABILIZATION BEDS, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING OR HOUSING CAPABILITIES.

IF I HAD THE BEST CHRISTMAS EVER AND EVERYBODY SAID, I'M READY TO GO INTO A SHELTER, BED OR HOUSE, I DON'T THINK I'LL HAVE IT READY FOR THEM.

>>Daryl: IT MIGHT BE UNFAIR TO PUT YOU TOO MUCH ON THE SPOT.

YOU'VE BEEN ON THE JOB SEVEN MONTHS.

>> SEVEN MONTHS.

>>Daryl: BUT THOSE ADDED LEVERS AND STUFF, IS IT WORKING?

ARE YOU SEEING PROGRESS?

>> WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING AND DEPLOYING.

YOU ASKED ABOUT CHINATOWN EARLIER.

IN CHINATOWN WE HAVE A MULTIPLE SET OF OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE BEEN INTENSE AND WORKING THE STREETS, BUT ALSO GETTING THE WORD ON THE STREET THINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

HOMELESS SOLUTION IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD TREAT SOMEBODY OR RESULT IN A SHELTER, RESULT IN HOUSING.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO MANAGE YOUR STREETS BECAUSE THERE'S WHERE MANY OF THE HOMELESS ARE.

WE'VE UPPED THE PATROLS IN CHINATOWN.

TOOK CARES MONEY.

WE HAVE MORE FOOT PATROL.

AND STARTED WEED AND SEED.

ANTHOLOGY HAS BEEN DOING THE SURVEYS.

WE'LL DO ANNUAL SURVEYS TO SEE IF WE'RE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK PEOPLE UP AND PROSECUTE THEM OR GET THEM INTO TREATMENT.

>>Daryl: CHU LAN, WHAT -- HAVE YOU SEEN RESULTS?

>> WE ARE HOPEFUL.

CHINATOWN HAS BEEN IN DECLINE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

IT'S BEEN SUCH A PLACE WHERE POLITICALLY IT WASN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR ACTION OR INVESTMENT IN CHINATOWN.

BUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH NEW HOTEL AND SEVERAL OTHER BUILDINGS COMING UP, THERE'S BEEN SOME INTEREST IN CLEANING UP CHINATOWN MORE.

AND ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO DO IT, SO IT HAS GIVEN THE PEOPLE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: YOU'VE GOT SOME ADDED POLICE PATROL.

PEOPLE EXPECTED QUICK RESULT FROM THAT.

HAVE YOU SEEN?

>> NO.

NO QUICK RESULT.

WE'RE USING OVERTIME POLICE OFFICERS.

THEY'RE LIMITED BY THE NUMBER OF HOURS THEY CAN WORK OVERTIME.

WE ARE SHORT OF POLICE OFFICERS, SO WHOEVER WE CAN GET TO PATROL, WE'RE GRATEFUL.

I THINK THE MERE FACT YOU SEE A BODY WALKING AROUND, THAT GIVES PEOPLE SOME FAITH AND TRUST.

WE GOT TO GET BEHIND THIS ADMINISTRATION AND HELP BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING ALL THEY CAN.

WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE IT OVERNIGHT.

IT TOOK 20 YEARS TO BE WHERE WE ARE.

>> I THINK THERE'S A THRESHOLD ACROSS.

ONCE WE CAN TAKE SOME PEOPLE OFF THE STREET THAT ARE VISIBLE, AND WE CAN TALK LATER ABOUT PROGRAMS FOR THAT.

ONCE YOU REACH A THRESHOLD, COMMUNITIES TALK TO EACH OTHER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE IT TIME.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

>>Daryl: CONNIE, WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT BEING PART OF THE STRATEGY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE?

DO YOU SEE THIS AS A POSITIVE?

>> I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S A PLUS.

THE REASON IS BECAUSE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS A LOT OF THE TIMES.

THERE'S A LOT OF DRUG DEALING THAT GOES ON THAT AFFECTS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS.

IF WE CAN SEPARATE, AS ANTON WAS SAYING, THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT EASIER TIME TALKING TO SOMEBODY NOT QUITE AS DRUG ADDICTED OR TRAUMATIZED BY SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING.

>>Daryl: SCOTT, LET ME ASK YOU, A QUESTION THAT'S COMING IN FROM CARLA VIA FACEBOOK.

WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES OF HOMELESS?

I KNOW YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, FRANKLY, ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL LIKE -- BECAUSE WE COVERED THE ICE EPIDEMIC 20 YEARS AGO.

IT NEVER WENT AWAY, AND IT STRIKES ME THAT MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE PERHAPS PSYCHOTIC BECAUSE OF THEIR CAREER OF DRUG USE.

THAT MUST BE A DIFFICULT GROUP.

IN ANSWER TO CARLA'S QUESTION, HOW MUCH IS MENTAL HEALTH?

HOW MUCH IS ADDICTION?

HOW MANY IS FAMILIES STRUGGLING BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY?

>> WE'VE REALLY BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, MANY PEOPLE HERE, FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND I THINK PARTICULARLY WITH HOMELESS FAMILIES, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.

I THINK THAT NUMBER WENT DOWN STATEWIDE BY OVER 40%.

IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE.

BECAUSE OF INVESTMENT IN PROGRAMS LIKE KAHAUIKI VILLAGE.

OTHER PROGRAMS THAT EMPHASIZE PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC.

WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE DOING ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS, IN THE POINT-IN-TIME COUNT, IT'S BETWEEN 20 TO 30%.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT'S POTENTIALLY UNDERCOUNT, AND IT'S LARGELY SELF-REPORT.

IT GIVES AT LEAST A GENERAL IDEA WHAT SEGMENT OF THE PLACE THAT IS.

THE CHALLENGE IS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE MAJOR BY ANY MEANS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEALING WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, A LOT ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE CHOICE.

GOING TO ANTON'S POINT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

WE CAN'T MANDATE SOMEBODY TO ACCEPT SERVICES.

WE CAN'T MANDATE SOMEBODY TO EXPECT TREATMENT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THINGS LIKE CONNIE'S ORGANIZATION IS HOW CAN YOU GET POSSIBLY ORDERS?

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS POTENTIAL TO HELP IS EXPANSION OF HAWAI'I STATE HOSPITAL.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR LEADERSHIP OR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE LEGISLATURE FOR PROVIDING THE FUNDING TO FACILITATE THAT.

AND THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE GO NON-FORENSIC, GOING INTO THE STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.

I THINK THAT'S A SIGN THAT WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD OUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD OPTIONS.

>>Daryl: CONNIE, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON THAT?

ARE YOU STARTING TO SEE PROGRESS IN DEALING WITH THE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL AND CHRONIC DRUG ADDICTS?

>> I THINK SCOTT'S RIGHT.

RUNS 20, 30%.

THAT'S ALL THE HOMELESS PEOPLE.

NOT ALL THE ONES THAT CHU LAN SEES IN CHINATOWN.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED, DRUG ADDICTED OR MENTALLY ILL IS HIGHER.

UPWARD OF 70, 80%.

YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRUG ADDICTED OR AFFECTED.

WHEN YOU'VE BEEN ON METHAMPHETAMINE FOR A LONG TIME, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS AT THE HOSPITAL AS THE DIRECTOR OF NURSING, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING IN, AND THEY'RE COMING IN ON THESE FORENSIC ORDERS.

THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE METH.

WE SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

>>Daryl: ANTON KRUCKY FROM THE CITY AND COUNTY, THAT'S A STRIKING NUMBER.

UNSHELTERED PEOPLE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT AND ARE THE MOST DIFFICULT.

YOU MENTION LEVERS AND STUFF.

IN TERMS OF RESOURCES, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN, THIS IS -- VISITING SEATTLE, ALL OVER THE U.S., SAME PROBLEM.

LOOK AT SEATTLE, IT'S WORSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORSE.

NO POWER, NO MONEY, NO IDEA.

ARE THE RESOURCES THERE TO DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR POPULATION?

ON THE STREET, MENTALLY ILL OR DRUG ADDICTED.

>> IN LOOKING AT THAT LEVER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT WHOLE GROUP AND MOVE IT QUICKLY, BUT THE CITY IS GOING TO TEE A NEW PROGRAM, C.O.R.E.

A DIVERTED 911 CALL.

HPD RESPONDS.

CAN LEAD TO DIFFERENT RESPONSES.

IF IT'S A UNIFORM, A PERSON MIGHT HAVE OTHER EXPERIENCES WITH THAT UNIFORM.

GENERAL MODE IS MAKE SURE THE SITUATION IS UNDER CONTROL.

WHAT C.O.R.E.

WILL DO, SOMEONE MAY BE BLENDED UNTIL THE SITUATION IS SAFE.

HEADQUARTERED IN IWILEI.

WE'RE HOPING BY SEPTEMBER, WE'LL BE OUT IN THE STREETS WITH THESE NEW BRANDED TRUCKS.

FIRST TIME MAY NOT YIELD RESULTS.

IF THEY GET TO KNOW THE PERSON AND TRUST THEM, MAYBE IN THAT ONE POINT OF CRISIS, THERE'S AN AHA MOMENT.

WITH THE PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BEDS AVAILABLE ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTRACT OUT SO IF WE GET ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS, WE'LL HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE SOMEONE.

>>Daryl: CONNIE, ARE THESE YOUR PEOPLE?

>> NOT MY PEOPLE.

WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PLANNING.

INCLUDING SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS BEFORE, I THINK WE CAME UP WITH A CONSENSUS.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT OUTREACH GOING ON NOW.

I HAVE A TEAM.

SCOTT WAS MENTIONING THE ONE THAT THE CITY FUNDS.

WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT COURT ORDER FOR TREATMENT.

WE'VE DONE SOME WORK IN CHINATOWN PULLING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET THAT WAY AND DOING IT IN MULTIPLE WAYS.

BEFORE WE GET TO THE COURT ORDER, WE GET REALLY ASSERTIVE TREATMENT BY GOING BACK OVER AND OVER LIKE ANTON WAS SAYING.

SOME PEOPLE SAY I'LL TAKE THE SHOT OR MEDICATION.

WE GOT SOME OF THOSE.

OTHER PEOPLE, WE FIND THEIR FAMILIES.

IF FAMILIES ARE WILLING TO DO A GUARDIANSHIP, THEY CAN CONSENT TO THE PEOPLE.

IF THAT DOESN'T WORK AND NOBODY'S AROUND TO BE THE GUARDIAN, WE'RE WILLING TO GO TO COURT TO GET THE COMMUNITY TREATMENT ORDER, WHICH IS A COURT ORDER FOR TREATMENT.

>>Daryl: GIVE ME A SENSE HOW LONG THIS THING -- AND HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO PUT ON ONE PERSON TO GET TO THAT POINT?

TO GET THEM TREATMENT.

>> I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, IT'S BEEN SLOW.

BUT I THINK WE CHANGED THE LAW THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

I THINK IT WILL GO A LOT FASTER.

BEFORE THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS WERE INVOLVED, THERE WASN'T A GUARDIAN AD LITEM AUTOMATICALLY APPOINTED, BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>>Daryl: IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO DIE AND GOT SAVED.

SOMETHING THAT'S USEABLE.

ANTON, ARE YOU USING THAT AS A TOOL, OR YOU HAVE TO HAND IT OFF TO ANOTHER AGENCY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GETTING A COURT ORDER?

>> WE WOULDN'T DIRECTLY USE IT AS A TOOL.

CONNIE WOULD BE DOING THAT.

PETITIONING, TAKING IT TO THE COURT.

WE'LL BE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DO FUNDING TO HELP SUPPORT THAT PROGRAM.

MAYBE GIVE THE JUDGES BUDGETS, WORK WITH SCOTT SO THERE'S A -- BUT TO EXECUTE IT.

WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.

>>Daryl: CHU LAN, YOUR OBSERVATION.

WHAT'S THE POPULATION IN CHINATOWN YOU WOULD GUESS IN TERMS OF DRUG ADDICTS VERSUS MENTALLY ILL?

>> EASILY 200 PLUS ON THE STREETS.

60% ARE INVOLVED WITH DRUGS AND CRIMINAL.

SOME ARE LIFESTYLE AND HARDCORE.

THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR STREETS 10, 15 YEARS.

THEY WON'T CHANGE.

SO SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE TOO HAMPERING.

WE'RE NOT HELPING.

RECENTLY, THE HOUSTON MAYOR CAME UP WITH A TOUGH LOVE PROGRAM WHERE OUR CITY'S ALSO DOING -- WHERE MAYOR RICK IS TO CITE THEM FOR VIOLATION OF LAW.

POSSESSION.

SIT AND LIE.

AND ALSO PROPERTY OBSTRUCTION.

THESE ARE EXISTING LAWS THAT NEED TO BE ENFORCED.

THAT WILL TAKE AWAY THIS ELEMENT OF OBSTRUCTION, AND I OWN THE STREET.

YOU HAVE TO GO ON TO THE ROAD.

WE HAVE A DEMOCRACY.

MAJORITY RULES.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN BADLY BACKWARDS FOR THE MINORITY FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES.

YET WE DON'T HAVE SOLUTIONS.

ACLU HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO HELP THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.

WE ARE SUFFERING.

SO THIS ACTION NOW, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW AND GIVE THEM A CARROT.

YOU'VE GOT A CHOICE.

YOU HAVE A WARRANT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO JAIL OR GO INTO TREATMENT.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK SCOTT MORISHIGE.

DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES READY TO TAKE IN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AS CHU LAN IS DESCRIBING AND GIVE THEM THESE OPTIONS, OR WE GOING TO SEE INDIVIDUALS GETTING CITED AND ARRESTED OVER AND OVER BUT CYCLE BACK OUT?

ARE YOU READY FOR THAT?

>> I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT SYSTEM.

WHAT CAME OUT OUT OF THE PANDEMIC IS STABILIZATION.

WE HAD A TEMPORARY QUARANTINE AND ISOLATION CENTER IN IWILEI.

SEEING HOMELESS COME IN.

MANY HAD RECURRING DISORDERS.

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SAID, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE BEDS THAT HELPS IMPROVE OUTCOMES OVER TIME.

WE STARTED TO BUILD OR EXPAND STABILIZATION BEDS.

WE HAVE SOME IN WAIKIKI AT ONE OF THE HOTELS THAT WERE CONVERTED OVER THERE.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.

THIS ISSUE IS NOT ONLY ON OAHU.

WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT STATEWIDE.

>>Daryl: CONNIE, ACT 27, IF SOMEBODY GETS PICKED UP, IF IT'S A PETTY MISDEMEANOR AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL, THEY CAN GET TREATMENT.

THEY WOULD HOLD THEM FOR ABOUT SEVEN DAYS.

IF THIS PERSON NEEDS TREATMENT, THEY CAN COMMIT THEM AT THAT TIME.

THAT'S HAPPENING NOW?

>> YES.

>>Daryl: LET ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS SIGNIFICANT TO ME BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REVOLVING DOOR ALL THE TIME.

TELL ME HOW THIS WORKS.

WHO DECIDES THAT THAT PERSON GETTING ARRESTED, DEFECATING OR SWEARING OR YELLING OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HURT SOMEONE, HOW DO YOU HOLD THEM AND WHO DECIDES THEY CAN BE HELPED AND WHERE?

>> IF THEY GET ARRESTED FOR A PETTY MISDEMEANOR, THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP IN COURT.

THE JUDGE CAN, AT THAT TIME, DECIDE TO SEND THEM TO THE STATE HOSPITAL TO GET EVALUATED INSTEAD OF JAIL.

IF THE PERSON HAS A MENTAL DISORDER, THAT IS A WAY TO FERRET THAT OUT AND GIVE THEM SOME TREATMENT.

>>Daryl: YOU TAKE THIS PERSON TO JAIL, WITHIN NEXT MORNING, USUALLY, THEY WOULD BE IN COURT QUICKLY.

>> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: WHO IS IN COURT?

JUST THE JUDGE?

LOOKS AT THE PERSON AND GOES, I THINK YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL, BOOM.

DOES IT TAKE A WITNESS?

WHAT KIND OF DEFENSE DOES THAT PERSON HAVE?

>> DEPENDS ON WHO HAS INTEREST IN THE PERSON GETTING TREATMENT.

A LOT OF CASE MANAGERS, IF WE KNOW THE PERSON GOT ARRESTED, WE'D BE IN COURT ADVOCATING FOR THAT PERSON TO GET EVALUATED.

>>Daryl: ANTON KRUCKY, IF WE WENT DOWN TO COURT, WE WOULD SEE THIS HAPPENING?

>> I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY LIKE THE MORALE IN HPD, THIS IS A POSITIVE THING.

THEY CAN SEE THE RESULT.

WHILE THE PRISONS WERE LOCKED DOWN, THEY WOULD ARREST SOMEBODY, AND THEY WOULD SEE THE PERSON ON THE STREET BEFORE THEY FINISH THE PAPERWORK.

FAMILY MEMBERS CAN COME.

A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE MENTALLY ILL, THEY'VE BEEN DETACHED FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

FAMILIES WOULD LIKE TO HELP THEM.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CHECK ON THOSE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT IT.

SO IN THAT PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO TREATMENT, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES.

WE SPEND TIME MAPPING THAT OUT.

NOT JUST MENTAL HEALTH OR DRUG REHABILITATION BUT PLACES TO PUT OTHERS THAT WANT TO BE HOUSED, TRANSITIONAL HOUSES.

I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BUILDING OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S FUNDING FOR THAT.

>>Daryl: SCOTT, DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE THIS FLOW?

IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> SO I THINK OTHERS HAVE SAID WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD THAT OUT, AND I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF A SUMMIT THAT BROUGHT TOGETHER JUDICIAL, A LOT OF PLAYERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

IN TERMS OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT ANTON IS REFERENCING, WE'RE AT A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL OF FEDERAL RESOURCES COMING INTO OUR COMMITTEE.

AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND OTHER FEDERAL FUNDING STREAMS WHERE WE REALLY DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT FUNDING.

A LOT CAN BE USED FOR CAPITAL HELP AND SOCIAL SERVICES.

WE'VE BEEN TAKING PROACTIVE STEPS TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS, ANTON AND I TALK AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK IS THE STATE LOOKING AT WHAT KIND OF UNDERUTILIZED LANDS WE CAN HAVE THAT MAYBE WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

CITY CAN PUT IN RESOURCES FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE CAN USE THE FEDERAL FUNDING TO START TO SCALE SOME THINGS, WORK THAT WE KNOW CAN BE EFFECTIVE.

>>Daryl: GETTING TO A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

RIGHT OFF, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SCOTT?

SCOTT OR ANTON OR CONNIE, WHY NOT HAVE MORE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING MANNED BY MEDICAL HEALTH AND PERSONNEL.

BY JODY VIA FACEBOOK.

WHAT IS -- SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

>> IT IS.

YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT.

THE BIG PUSH IN THE GOVERNMENT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS IS WHAT THEY CALL HOUSING NOW.

PEOPLE COULDN'T -- WOULDN'T GO INTO SHELTERS.

TOO MANY RULES.

WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS HOUSE THEM AND SURROUND THEM WITH SERVICES.

THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT SAYS THAT'S EFFECTIVE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE SOLUTION.

I BELIEVE THESE TWO-YEAR GIVING IN THESE VILLAGES IS THE WAY TO GO.

IT BUILDS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN FUNCTION BETTER.

AND YOU HAVE THE SERVICE PROVIDERS.

WE HAVE SOME VILLAGES OPERATING TODAY THAT CONNIE IS A SERVICE PROVIDER.

YOU ALSO DO JOB TRAINING, CHILD CARE, AND YOU GET PEOPLE JOBS THERE.

WHILE YOU HAVE THESE IN TRANSITIONAL COMMUNITIES.

>> IS THERE ROOM NOW OR ARE THEY ALL FULL?

>> THEY'RE PRETTY FULL.

WE ARE GOING TO BUILD SOME MORE.

>>Daryl: DO YOU SOMETIMES FEEL, IF WE BUILD THEM, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT NIMBY.

COMMUNITY IS NOT COMFORTABLE.

SO I THINK WE LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING IWILEI FOR HOMELESS SERVICES.

WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL VERY GOOD CITY BUILDINGS, NEW.

A FACILITY FOR THEM.

THEY CAN WALK BETWEEN SALVATION ARMY AND CATHOLIC CHARITY.

THEY'RE SEEING THEIR OWN KIND OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE STRUGGLE.

SO I THINK IF WE CLEAN UP THE CAMPUS THERE, IT'S NICE.

IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.

AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE NEW CITY PROSECUTOR PROGRAM TO BRING WEED AND SEED BACK TO CHINATOWN IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT COMBINES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WORKS WITH THE COURT.

PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

CONNIE'S NONPROFIT, THE STATE.

I THINK YOU NEED A WHOLE ARSENAL OF TOOLS TO REALLY HELP BECAUSE IT'S TOO COMPLEX.

WE CAN'T GIVE UP.

WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TOUGH LOVE AND ESPECIALLY FORCE THE LAW.

>> QUESTION FROM TIM IN KAIMUKI.

WILL WAIKIKI GET THE SAME PROGRAMS?

ST. AUGUSTINE IN WAIKIKI HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO TWICE IN THE PAST NINE MONTHS.

SCOTT MORISHIGE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE PLACES, A LOT OF TIMES, GEOGRAPHY MATTERS.

IS THERE SOMETHING COMING FROM WAIKIKI LIKE CHINATOWN, AND WILL THERE BE NEAR WAIKIKI, SOME PRETTY -- PROBABLY WOULDN'T APPRECIATE HAVING INTENSIVE HOMELESS SERVICES THERE.

>> I THINK RIGHT NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE STABILIZATION BEDS IN WAIKIKI.

NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD WAS SUPPORTIVE.

WHERE THEY TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND PROVIDE THEM HOUSING.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING IN WAIKIKI IS WORKING WITH CONNIE'S ORGANIZATION AND OTHER PROVIDERS AND PARTNER WITH WAIKIKI BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ASSOCIATION TO TRY AND REALLY HAVE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

WE STARTED THAT, I BELIEVE, IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY FORMED A HOMELESS PROVIDER HUI IN THAT DISTRICT.

STARTING NOW TO MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND JUST THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY'LL FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN BETTER STREAMLINE SERVICES.

TARGETS SOME VICTIMS THAT WE SEE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

>> WE HAVE THAT DISTRICT AS ONE OF OUTREACH AREAS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT FROM HAWAI'I THERE.

BECAUSE THEY'RE VISITING AND THEY WANT TO GO TO WAIKIKI.

WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE WAIKIKI BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WHO LOOK AT THEIR AMBASSADORS.

WORKING WITH OUR OUTREACH PEOPLE.

AND WE PARTNER WITH HPD TO DO OUTREACH.

I THINK THE COLLABORATIONS HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE, AND IT HELPS EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

>> IN WAIKIKI, THEY DID THEIR OWN POINT-IN-TIME COUNT LAST MONTH.

COVID DIDN'T LET US DO A POINT-IN-TIME COUNT.

WHERE YOU COUNT THE SHELTERED AND UNSHELTERED HOMELESS.

THEIR POINT-IN-TIME COUNT THIS YEAR WAS DOWN.

>>Daryl: DID THEY DO IT BETTER?

>> WELL, THEY'RE USING THE SAME METHOD, BUT IT'S NOT AN EXPLOSION THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE CASE.

I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT.

>>Daryl: ONE OBSERVATION, MY OWN OBSERVATION, IT SEEMS LIKE DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN THERE WEREN'T SO MANY TOURISTS, IT FELT LIKE PEOPLE WENT TO WAIKIKI BECAUSE -- NOT HOMELESS-FRIENDLY BUT NOT AS MANY PEOPLE THERE.

IT WAS A MORE COMFORTABLE PLACE TO GO AND HANG OUT.

THAT MAY HAVE DISSIPATED INTO OTHER COMMUNITIES.

>> BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IN CHINATOWN WILL TELL YOU A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM WAIKIKI MIGRATED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PANHANDLE.

>>Daryl: THIS KIND OF GOES TO THAT QUESTION, QUESTION FROM MARCO IN MAKIKI.

THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ON PUNCHBOWL MOUNTAIN, BUT POLICE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL LAND.

WHO CAN PEOPLE CALL TO REPORT ISSUES?

BUT THIS ISSUE OF FEDERAL LAND, STATE LAND, CITY LAND, PRIVATE LAND COMES UP OVER AND OVER.

ARE WE GETTING BETTER AT THAT?

>> I THINK WE ARE GETTING BETTER.

WHEN PEOPLE TALK, IT'S NOT JUST SEEING IT.

LIKE THE POLICE BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE BEING PART OF THE ANSWER.

IT'S FRUSTRATING WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL, CITY, STATE, PRIVATE LAND, IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE YOU CAN CALL, MY OFFICE.

WE TRY TO BE A RESOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE HEALTH LINE.

808-586-0193.

OR E-MAIL US.

MY STAFF -- I HAVE A GREAT TEAM.

WE HAD HELP YOU DETERMINE WHOSE JURISDICTION IT IS.

AVERAGE PERSON IS NOT GOING TO GO.

WE WORK WITH OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES AND CITY AGENCIES.

ALSO WE CAN ENGAGE WITH PROVIDERS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT PEOPLE THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED AND ARE ABLE TO START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROGRESS IN MOVING THEM TO SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN BE IN A STABLE ENVIRONMENT.

THINGS ARE GETTING MORE COORDINATED.

MANY MORE DIFFERENT PARTIES AT THE TABLE.

IT CONTINUES TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS.

>>Daryl: ANTON KRUCKY, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO CALL?

IF THEY CALL THE CITY, ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE SAME THING?

>> THEY CALL THE CITY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME KIND OF ANALYSIS SCOTT DOES.

WE'LL COORDINATE.

CITY AND STATE WILL GO OUT TOGETHER TO COVER THOSE BASES.

WE'LL ALSO GO AFTER AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S PRIVATE LANDOWNERS.

IF WE CAN GET THEM ONBOARD.

BUT THE INDIVIDUALS, THEY UNDERSTAND THESE RULES WELL.

WE FIND OUT THINGS HAVE JUST MOVED ON TO D.O.T.

PROPERTY.

OR JUST MOVED TO THE CITY PARK.

WE HAVE TO BE SMART AS THAT AS WELL.

>>Daryl: COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS COMING IN.

LET ME ASK CONNIE.

IN THE 20 YEARS OR SO YOU'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS.

>> 15.

>>Daryl: YOU WERE WITH THE AGENCY MUCH LONGER.

>> YES.

>>Daryl: IS THIS THE BEST WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF ALL OF THIS COORDINATION?

DO YOU REALLY FEEL WE'VE TURNED A CORNER?

I DO.

BEST THING ABOUT COVID, IT FORCED US TO COORDINATE.

>> GOVERNMENT, SERVICE PROVIDER, GENERAL PUBLIC AND COME TOGETHER AROUND A LOT OF THINGS.

IN THE PAST, THERE WAS TOO MUCH I'M DOING THIS.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PARTNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BREAK DOWN SOME SILOS AND REALLY NOT DUPLICATE SERVICES AS MUCH.

FOR THE WHOLE 15 YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, I'VE LOOKED FOR WAYS FOR US TO NOT DO THAT.

OTHER THING IS TO REALLY TRY TO STANDARDIZE SOME WAYS WE'RE DOING IT.

ONE GROUP MIGHT DO IT ONE WAY BUT TO SAY, OKAY, WE ALL BELIEVE IN THESE BASIC PRINCIPLES.

MEET THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT AND ASSESS WHETHER THEY'RE READY.

>> LIKE ANTON SAID, SOME PEOPLE NOT READY.

AND TO GO BACK MORE FREQUENTLY.

NOT LIKE IF YOU SAY NO THIS TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU.

IF WE CAN DO MORE OF THAT, WE'LL HAVE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE SERVICES AS WELL.

>> CONNIE MENTIONED WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE C.O.R.E.

PROGRAM.

IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT.

WE WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT A CERTAIN WAY.

WE HAD TWO MEMBERS OF THE STATE.

HOMELESS AND BEHAVIORAL HELP HELPING TO DESIGN A CITY PROGRAM.

AND WE HAD PROVIDERS AND HOMELESS.

BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER WASN'T DIFFICULT.

WE'RE TALKING ALL THE TIME.

I MAKE THE INVITATION, THEY SHOW UP.

>>Daryl: MIGHT NOT GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN AND CHANGE.

>> I THOUGHT THE COLLABORATION WAS VERY GOOD.

EVERYBODY WAS OPEN.

ESPECIALLY HAVING THE HOMELESS THAT COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH SOMETHING.

THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT.

>>Daryl: QUICKLY, CARES ACT AND HELP OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WAS THERE SIGNIFICANT MONEY THAT CAME INTO THE STATE TO DEAL WITH THIS, SCOTT?

>> A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT CAME IN FOR HOMELESSNESS FOR OAHU WENT DIRECTLY TO CITY AND COUNTY AND STATE ALLOCATION FOR NEIGHBOR ISLANDS.

IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESOURCE.

PARTNERS IN CARE HAVE THIS PROGRAM CALLED OAHU HOUSING NOW.

A $10 MILLION GRANT FROM THE CITY AND COUNTY, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO HOUSE, I WANT TO SAY CLOSE TO 150 HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE PAST 3 OR 4 MONTHS.

AND THEY'RE HOUSING THEM IN A RAPID RATE.

HOW THIS FEDERAL FUNDING CAN GO A LONG WAY.

MORE RESOURCES LIKE EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS AND CAN HELP WITH CAPITAL COSTS.

>> JENNY FROM KAUA'I, ARE THEY DISCUSSING ONLY OAHU?

WHAT IS THE STATEWIDE PLAN?

A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THE NEIGHBOR ISLAND.

>> COLLABORATION IS NOT HAPPENING JUST ON OAHU.

I HAVE REGULAR CALLS WITH THE HOMELESS COORDINATORS FROM EACH COUNTY.

EACH COUNTY, WE MEET REGULARLY.

ON KAUA'I, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IS IN NOVEMBER, WE OPEN OHANA ZONE PROJECT ON KAUA'I, WHICH PROVIDED ADDITIONAL PERMANENT HOUSING UNITS TO GET OVER, I BELIEVE, 28 HOUSEHOLDS, ALL FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN INTO HOUSING.

KAUA'I POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED SOME FUNDING FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS FOR PEOPLE TRANSITIONING OVER CAMPING.

AND SAME THING IN EVERY COUNTY.

MAUI, WE OPENED THE PERMANENT PROJECT HULIAU.

ON HAWAI'I ISLAND, WE HAVE PROJECTS IN EAST AND WEST HAWAI'I THAT PROVIDED TINY SHELTERS.

IN HILO AND KONA.

IDEA IS BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

WHAT WORKS BEST FOR EACH COMMUNITY.

AND KEEP THE FOCUS ON HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TRANSITIONED TO A PERMANENT PLACE?

HOW DO WE CREATE PATHWAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF OUR BEACHES INTO PERMANENT HOUSING?

WE SEE THAT HAPPENING IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR STATE.

>>Daryl: CONNIE, I'M SURE YOU'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER PROVIDERS ACROSS THE STATE.

DO THEY SHARE YOUR -- SINCE THAT THERE'S TRACTION AROUND THE ISSUES AROUND THE STATE?

>> THEY'VE HAD SOME TRACTION ALREADY.

MOST RECENTLY, WE'VE BEEN PARTNERING AND CONSULTING WITH BIG ISLAND HOPE SERVICES AND SHARING WITH THEM SOME WAYS WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING THE HEALTH SECTOR AND HELPING THEM TO BUILD THEIR CAPACITY ALSO.

WE'RE DEFINITELY DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO BEFORE.

>>Daryl: QUITE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH LAND COST, HOUSING COST.

DIANE FROM WAHIAWA, REAL ESTATE AFFECT THE HOMELESS ISSUE?

HOW CAN THIS BE ADDRESSED AND FIXED?

HOW IS THE CITY OR STATE PREPARING FOR THE EVICTION MORATORIUM?

WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS WHO ARE NOT MENTALLY ILL?

WORKING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK?

DO WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC -- IS THERE A WORRY WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT ANOTHER ECONOMIC CLIP WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THIS?

ANTON KRUCKY, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE FUTURE?

CITY LEVEL, YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO CONTROL HOUSING COSTS, IF NOT PRICES.

>> WELL, THERE WERE TWO MAJOR ISSUES.

ONE'S EVICTION MORATORIUM.

AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AVAILABILITY IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

CITY, WE ANALYZE THAT.

I WOULD SAY FOR THE PROJECTION, SEPARATE OF THE EVICTION MORATORIUM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE ONLINE, NEED EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AMI IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

A PERSON HAS A NICE JOB, MAKING $80,000 A YEAR BUT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT TOUGH.

WE PASSED A BILL EARLIER THIS YEAR WHERE WE'LL GIVE A GRANT TO DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHEN WE HAD THE BILL, H201 ALLOWED CERTAIN PERMIT ALLOCATION.

SINCE WE PASSED THE GRANTING FOR EACH UNIT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HAVE NINE PROJECTS NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE.

LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM MICRO-HOMES.

NO PARKING.

PEOPLE WOULD BE IN AN URBAN SETTING.

SOME PROJECTS HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM US.

WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE IT LONG ENOUGH.

NEEDS TO BE 60 YEARS.

STAY IN THAT STATE FOR A WHILE.

ALTHOUGH THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, DRILL COMING UP.

ONES IS IN AUGUST, THERE ARE MEDIATIONS.

AND WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE INFORMED SO THEY SIGN UP FOR MEDIATIONS.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT.

>> WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AUGUST 6, WHEN THE EVICTION MORATORIUM LAPSES.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WORD THAT THE LAW HAS CHANGED.

INCENTIVIZE LANDLORD TO GO INTO MEDIATION.

IF YOU'RE A TENANT OR LANDLORD, NOTICE TIME FOR EVICTIONS FOR PAST DUE RENT INCREASED TO FIVE TO 15 DAYS.

HAS TO INCLUDE RIGHT -- COURTS CAN ONLY TAKE CASES FOR PEOPLE WHO OWE FOUR MONTHS OR MORE OF BACK RENT.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT FOR MEDIATION.

WE HAVE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE IN EACH COUNTY.

IF PEOPLE HAVE TO RELOCATE, THEY CAN PAY FOR IT ON A NEW UNIT.

>>Daryl: SAY I'M A TENANT.

I'M BEHIND ON MY RENT.

MY LANDLORD DECIDES HE DOESN'T WANT ME AS A TENANT ANYMORE.

UP UNTIL NOW, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO EVICT ME.

I'M REQUIRED TO GET A NOTICE FROM MY LANDLORD THAT LISTS THESE THINGS.

AND IT CAN'T JUST BE FOR MISSING ONE MONTH.

GOT TO BE FOR MISSING FOUR MONTHS.

>> 30 DAYS.

MOST IMPORTANT THING IS KNOWING YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MEDIATION.

GIVES PEOPLE TIME TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL ASSISTANCE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED, GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, ONE OAHU.org/RENTHELP.

DONE A GREAT JOB RUNNING THAT PROGRAM.

THEIR PORTAL IS STILL CLOSED, BUT IF YOU GO TO THAT WEBSITE, YOU CAN GET A REMINDER WHEN IT REOPENS, WHICH WE EXPECT WILL BE SOON.

ON EVERY ISLAND, THERE'S SIMILAR RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.

>> AND PART OF MEDIATION IS THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO LET THEM KNOW YOU CAN APPLY FOR ASSISTANCE.

IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW, THEY CAN STILL APPLY.

I FEEL FOR A LOT OF THE LANDLORDS WHO HAVE BEEN WITHOUT PAYMENTS FOR THEIR RENTAL.

AND THAT MAKES THE LANDLORD WHOLE, AND IT GIVES THE RENTER -- >> WON'T COST THE TENANT OR THE LANDLORD.

>>Daryl: LANDLORDS WOULD BE MORE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.

LET ME GO BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

CHU LAN SHUBERT-KWOCK, YOU WERE QUITE INVOLVED IN HAVING TO ADVOCATE FOR AN AFFORDABLE ELDERLY HOUSING IN CHINATOWN, WHICH TOOK YEARS AND YEARS TO GET APPROVED.

>> THANK YOU.

>>Daryl: DO YOU FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ANY BETTER AT MOVING ALONG AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS?

>> I THINK BECAUSE OF THE RAIL COMING IN, SO RAIL, WHEN WE CAN GET SPECIAL CREDIT AND EXCEPTIONS.

SO I THINK -- >>Daryl: INCENTIVES TO BUILD AFFORDABLE -- >> BROUGHT ON A LOT OF AMBITION.

IN CHINATOWN ACROSS FROM OAHU MARKET, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, LIKE, 400 UNITS BECAUSE WE HAVE 200 UNITS COMING UP.

MICRO, NO PARKING.

NEXT POSSIBLY A HOTEL.

WE HAVE 30-SOMETHING UNITS IN MAUNAKEA MARKET PLACE WHERE BUSINESSES WERE UPSTAIRS.

FULLY OCCUPIED.

AND RIVER AND VINEYARD, 156 UNITS.

ALAKEA AND BERETANIA, QUEEN EMMA, WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS COMING UP.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED WITH ALL OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ANYWHERE FROM 30, 40, 50, 60, AMI.

>> CONNIE MITCHELL, I KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU.

LENGTH OF TIME YOUR AGENCY HAS BEEN INVOLVED.

DO YOU SEE THE PLANETS KIND OF ALIGNING HERE?

THIS IS A QUESTION THAT CAME FROM STEVE IN KAKAAKO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT VETERANS.

AND I REMEMBER EARLY IN THE CRISIS, THERE WAS THIS PROMISE TO ENDED VETERANS HOMELESSNESS BY X DATE.

>> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: DID WE DO THAT?

DOES THAT SHOW THAT SOMETIMES THE BEST INTENTIONS ARE SO DIFFICULT?

>> I THINK WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENDING HOMELESSNESS, IT'S FUNCTIONAL ZERO.

WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS.

IF WE CAN GET THEM BACK INTO HOUSING, THAT'S THE KEY SO WE DON'T HAVE GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE HOMELESS.

AS FAR AS VETERANS, WE MADE CONSIDERABLE PROGRESS WITH THAT PARTICULAR GROUP.

AS MUCH AS THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO COME BACK TO HAWAI'I, PEOPLE SERVED HERE.

THEY WANT TO BE HERE.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A LOT OF RESOURCES WITH IT'S V.A.

TO HELP WITH HOUSING.

ISN'T THAT ONE OF THE GROUPS, SCOTT, THAT HAS DONE REALLY WELL?

>> THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.

WE'RE GETTING, AGAIN, VETERANS OFF THE STREET.

PEOPLE WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY.

WE MADE PROGRESS IN A LOT OF AREAS, BUT WE'RE UP AGAINST SOME BARRIERS.

NOT ONLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS WHEN PEOPLE RECEIVE HOUSING ASSISTANCE, WE RECEIVE A SECTION 8 VOUCHER.

MANY PEOPLE RUN INTO BARRIERS.

THEY'LL SAY NO SECTION EIGHT, NO VOUCHERS.

ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING AT CAN WE CHANGE THAT?

GOVERNOR IGE INTRODUCED A BILL TO TRY AND ADDRESS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST SECTIONS 8 VOUCHER HOLDERS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DIFFERENT ADVOCATES TO TRY AND CONTINUE WORKING AT LEGISLATION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REINTRODUCING IT NEXT SESSION.

SOME SYSTEMIC THINGS THAT MAKE IT CHALLENGING.

>>Daryl: I'M GOING TO GIVE ANTON KRUCKY THE NEWBIE ON THE STREET.

YOU SEEMED TO HAVE JUMPED ON THAT LEARNING CURB VIGOROUSLY.

HOW DIFFERENT WILL IT LOOK IN TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS.

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO WHAT CONNIE DESCRIBES AS FUNCTIONAL ZERO?

>> 282, THAT MAKES IT WORKABLE.

IF I CAN LOOK OUT THREE YEARS, RIGHT NOW PROVIDERS ARE GETTING STRONG, BUT THEY'RE DRIVEN BY THEIR FUNDING.

ALL BY FEDERAL FUNDING.

NOW THAT MONEY IS COMING, WE CAN LOOK CREATIVELY.

WE CAN DEAL WITH CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS.

PEOPLE WHO ARE MOTIVATED TO BE IN HOMES.

I REALLY FEEL IF WE CAN GET THE PROVIDERS TO A PLACE WHERE -- THEY'RE NOT JUST WORKING FOR THEMSELVES.

IF I GET PAID FOR WHAT I WANT TO DO, I DON'T SEE THE PICTURE.

OUR JOB, SCOTT AND MINE'S, CONNECT THESE PICTURES.

THEY HAVE TO HIRE THEIR PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE TO BE FUNCTIONAL.

WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, AND WE CAN HELP THEM BRING IT TOGETHER.

I THINK CONNECTING THOSE DOTS IS A TERM WE USE A LOT.

CAN GIVE US LEVERAGE WE NEED.

>>Daryl: 15 SECONDS FOR HOW LONG IT GETS TO FUNCTIONAL ZERO.

>> FOR VETS, NEXT YEAR.

>>Daryl: REST OF THE POPULATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD HAPPEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BIG CHUNK OF THAT AND PARADE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WE HELPED TURN AROUND THEIR LIVES.

>>Daryl: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS - STATE HOMELESS COORDINATOR SCOTT MORISHIGE, CONNIE MITCHELL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN SERVICES, ANTON KRUCKY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU'S OFFICE OF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

AND CHU LAN SHUBERT-KWOCK WITH THE CHINATOWN BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI'I HAD TO FIND A PLACE FOR ITS FOOTBALL TEAM TO PLAY, AFTER ALOHA STADIUM BANNED FANS.

SO, THE SCHOOL IS RENOVATING ITS ON CAMPUS ATHLETIC COMPLEX TO HOST DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL.

WE'LL HEAR FROM SCHOOL OFFICIALS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AHEAD OF THE RAINBOW WARRIORS SEASON IN MANOA.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I.

ALOHA!