HAVING ACCESS TO THE INTERNET IS A NECESSITY IN TODAY'S WORLD.

MAJORITY OF HAWAII RESIDENTS ARE CRUISING IN THE DIGITAL FAST LANE.

POCKETS OF PEOPLE HAVE UNDERLYING OR NO CONNECTION AT ALL.

DIGITAL DIVIDE DEEP INSIDE PANDEMIC.

STATE GET A BIG BOOST IN FEDERAL FUNDS TO EXPAND AND IMPROV OUR CONNECTIVITY.

HOW WILL THAT MONEY BE SPENT.

TONIGHT'S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

ALOHA   AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI’I.

I'M DARYL HUFF.

ACCORDING TO A STATE SURVEY, ABOUT NINE‑AND‑A‑HALF PERCENT OF HAWAI’I HOUSEHOLDS DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET.

FOR SOME, IT MAY BE THE COST.

OTHERS, WHERE THEY LIVE.

BUT THAT COULD SOON CHANGE.

LAST WEEK, HAWAI’I WAS AWARDED MORE THAN $149 MILLION AS PART OF THE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT.

THAT’S ON TOP OF $115 MILLION FROM THE US TREASURY DEPARTMENT.

THE FUNDS WILL GO TOWARDS UPGRADING AND INCREASING HIGH‑SPEED BROADBAND AVAILABILITY THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

OUR PANEL TONIGHT WILL DISCUSS HOW THAT WILL BE EXECUTED AND IF THAT WILL ELIMINATE OUR DIGITAL INEQUITY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW TO OUR GUESTS.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SYLVIA LUKE HAS BEEN DELEGATED TO OVERSIGHT AND LEADERSHIP OF THE INITIATIVES TO MODERNIZE AND EXTEND THE STATE’S BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE BY COORDINATING VARIOUS GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO ENSURE THAT THE STATE MAXIMIZES THE FEDERAL MONEY.

GARRET YOSHIMI IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI’I.

U.H.

LEADS THE APAKAU KA LA PROGRAM THAT WILL COMBINE MORE THAN $400 MILLION IN FEDERAL GRANTS AND MATCHING FUNDS TO ENSURE THE STATE’S LONG‑TERM CONNECTIVITY.

BURT LUM IS THE STATE BROADBAND COORDINATOR WITH THE HAWAII BROADBAND AND DIGITAL EQUITY OFFICE.

THE NEWLY FORMED OFFICE IS WORKING TO BRIDGE THE DIGITAL DIVIDE STARTING WITH THE STATE’S FIRST DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN THAT WILL HELP TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND KA’ALA SOUZA IS A DIGITAL EQUITY CONSULTANT.

FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, HE’S BEEN INVOLVED IN STATEWIDE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDE FREE COMPUTERS AND CLASSES WITH AN EMPHASIS ON TELE‑HEALTH AND WORKFORCE READINESS.

>>Daryl: LET ME START WITH YOU.

WHAT IS BROADBAND?

PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE INDEPENDENT IS.

IS IT SIMPLY THE INTERNET OR IS THERE MORE TO IT THAN IT THAT?

>> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME TOUGH QUESTIONS.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS EASY QUESTIONS.

BROADBAND AS THE PIPE.

PIPE CAN CONTAIN INFORMATION.

AND THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING TRANSMITTED VIA THAT PIPE IS THE INTERNET.

SO EASIER UNDERSTANDING, KIND OF SYNONYMOUS TO PIPE THAT IS DELIVERING WATER.

SOME PIPES MIGHT BE BIG.

YOU HAVE MORE WATER FLOWING THROUGH IT.

SOME PIPES MIGHT BE SMALLER.

AND THERE'S LESS WATER.

SO WERE BROADBAND THINK OF THE SPEEDS, 100 MEGABYTES UP, 20 MEGABITS UP TYPICAL MEASURE HOW MUCH BANDWIDTH IS GOING THROUGH THAT PIPE.

WHAT IS DELIVERING IS INTERNET.

>>Daryl: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MEGABYTES AND KILL BITES ALL OF THOSE BITES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA?

>> CORRECT.

PIECE OF INFORMATION.

KA'ALA SOUZA YOU MADE AN INTERESTING POINT.

WHAT I SAID ABOUT MOST PEOPLE, HAVE EASY ACESS TO IS HIGH SPEED INTERNET.

YOU'RE TELLING ME A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE NOT GETTING HIGH‑SPEED INTERNET.

>> I'M SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU.

MOST PEOPLE THINKING OVER 50% MAYBE 30% OF OUR STATE IS IN A STRUGGLE WITH GETTING, MAKING CONNECTION FOR THEMSELVES WITHOUT HAVING THEIR KID OR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN IN MOOPUNA CONNECT FOR THEM.

THERE'S THE ACTUAL CHALLENGE OF RUNNING THAT CABLE INTO THE HOUSE.

BUT TO HAVE THE SKILLS TO CLICK ON THE LITTLE THING ON LOWER RIGHT‑HAND CORNER, TO SELECT YOUR NETWORK AND TO DO THAT, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIGITAL LITERACY.

>>Daryl: SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE HIGH‑SPEED INTERNET OR NOT.

>> YES.

WHICH CRAZY HOW FAST IS THE SPEED LIMIT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.

35, 25, YOU KNOW THAT.

HOW FAST IS YOUR INTERNET?

BURT SAYING 100 MEGABYTES PER SECOND DOWN DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.

GIVE PEOPLE 50 BUCKS TO GET GAS.

PROVIDER 50 BUCKS.

DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.

>>Daryl: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SYLVIA LUKE BEING HANDED THIS, TECHNOLOGY WASN'T YOUR BACKGROUND.

MULTIFACETED ISSUE THE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK.

>> IT IS.

I WAS FIRST INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SENATOR SCHATZ'S OFFICE AND SENATOR SCHATZ OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD WITH THE FEDERAL AGENCIES ABOUT ENSURING THAT PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF HAWAII HAVE INTERNET SERVICE.

I THINK DURING THE PANDEMIC, BROADBAND IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS.

BUT IT WAS DURING THE STRUGGLES OF THE PANDEMIC IT BECAME IN THE FOREFRONT.

KIDS WERE AT HOME, STUDYING ONLINE.

WHEN PEOPLE HAD TO WORK REMOTELY AND EVEN HEALTH CARE ACCESS.

INSTEAD OF GOING TO YOUR DOCTOR, YOU HAD TO GET ONLINE TO CHECK ONLINE.

TO DO TELEHEALTH.

TELE HEALTH AND BROADBAND SERVICES BECAME THE FOREFRONT.

THAT'S WHAT LED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO LOOK AT THIS SITUATION.

AND GO, HEY, YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING FROM OUR EXPERIENCES AND WE CAN NEVER GO BACK AND IT BECAME LIKE THIS FOREFRONT AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE SITTING AT THIS VERY MOMENT POTENTIALLY RECEIVING ABOUT $400 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT BEFORE.

IT'S EXCITING FOR US.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE EXCITED AND HAPPY ABOUT THIS RESPONSIBILITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE USE THE FEDERAL FUNDS WISELY.

WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IT SERVES TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WHO ARE UNDERSERVED AND GOES INTO THE COMMUNITY.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK YOU.

WHERE ARE THE BIGGEST DEFICITS IN OUR SERVICE PATTERN FOR HIGH‑SPEED INTERNET?

>> ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS HUGE HOLES IN COVERAGE.

>> ONE IN PARTICULAR IS AROUND SOME OF OUR VERY RURAL AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.

FAR AWAY, SOME OF THE DEEP IN THE VALLEYS, HIGH UP ON THE HILLS, FAR AWAY FROM THE HEAVILY POPULATED AREAS.

FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HIGH SPEED INTERNET.

MAY HAVE SATELLITE COVERAGE, SPOT WHY DON'T GET ON DOWNTOWN, CAMPUSES PUT QUITE A BIT OF INVESTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.

OTHER PART THAT NEEDS INVESTMENT AN LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, THE OTHER PART IS BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR AWAY FROM CONTINENT AND FAR AWAY FROM OTHER LARGE LAND MASSES ISLAND STATE.

BETWEEN US AND REST OF THE WORLD.

THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE TYPICALLY MOST PEOPLE TOTALLY INVISIBLE UNTIL THEY BREAK.

ONE OF THOSE OCCURRED PRETTY RECENTLY.

FEW YEARS AGO.

KAUAI WAS CUT OFF FOR BETTER PART OF A DAY.

COUPLE DAYS.

>>Daryl: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAY INTERNET GETS TO MY HOUSE, I'VE GOT INTERNET ON MY PHONE.

IS THAT THE SAME THING AND WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INTERNET I GET ON MY PHONE, INTERNET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE BROADBAND HIGH SPEED INTERNET GOING TO BE IN MY COMPUTER OR ON MY TABLET OR IN MY TELEVISION SET.

>> SO WHAT IS HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS AND A LOT OF THE COMPANIES HAVE WANT TO GET INTO THIS BUSINESS, THERE'S A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN PROVIDING INTERNET VIA YOUR CELLULAR COMPANY AND TYPICALLY THE VERIZONS, AT&T, T‑MOBILE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LAND LINE PROVIDERS.

THAT IS THE SPECTRUM, AND HAWAIIAN TELCOM.

IF YOU HAVE INTERNET ON YOUR PHONE, IT'S DEFINITELY CONVENIENCE AN YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET ACCESS TO A LOT OF WEBSITES.

BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO LET'S SAY FILL OUT A FORM, WRITE A DOCUMENT, OR LET'S SAY APPLY FOR SOME BENEFIT, IT'S MUCH BETTER TO HAVE IT BE ACCESSED ON COMPUTER AT HOME VIA LAN LINE CONNECTION.

SO DIFFERENTIATION IS REALLY HOW YOU CAN ACCESS VIA A SPECTRUM OR HAWAIIAN TELCOM.

OR IF IT'S MOBILITY, YOU CAN ACCESS IT VIA YOUR PHONE.

THE AMOUNT OF DATA AND FUNCTIONALITY IS PROBABLY MORE ROBUST LAN LINE CONNECTION ON YOUR COMPUTER.

>>Daryl: IS THAT JUST FOR NOW OR GET SO MUCH BETTER?

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT LINE THAT GETS YOU INTERNET INTO YOUR HOME AND INTO YOUR DEVICES AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S COMING ON THE CELLULAR PHONE.

AVERAGE PERSON REALIZES DATA FLOAT AROUND THE AIR THAT I'M PICKING UP MY CELL PHONE, WHY IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH?

WHY IS, FOR SOMEONE IN A RURAL AREA, WHY IS THAT CELL PHONE CONNECTION NOT ENOUGH?

YOU COULD GET A TABLET, DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE NEED?

OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL ACCESS TO A CABLE THAT ALMOST ALL CASES?

>> I'M KIND OF CABLE, CELLULAR AGNOSTIC.

DOESN'T MATTER.

I WANT THE SPEED.

ZOOM CALL.

MOLOKAI.

ON THE EAST SIDE JUST PAST MANAE.

I'M ON A ZOOM CALL.

THERE'S AERP'S ON THE CALL.

HAWAII PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE.

AND I'M FREEZING.

SO YOU GO HOW DO YOU DO WORK?

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME HOW THE SPEED COMES.

I WANT THE SPEED.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FUNCTIONALITY OF IT.

MY PHONE IS GOING TO CONNECT TO AT&T.

FIBER, CABLE OR THE SATELLITE.

REALLY IT'S THE SPEED.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THE SPEED IN HAWAII, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEXAS EARLIER, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GOT.

I'M NOT THEY GOT MORE THAN US.

BUT WE'RE LIKE THE MOST, ISOLATED POPULATED PLACE ON THE PLANET.

SO FOR US NOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SPEED OF THE INTERNET, GOING TO BE HARD FOR US TO COMPETE.

BUSINESS, FAMILY CONNECTION, SCHOOL, LEARNING EVERYTHING.

>>Daryl: ARE WE, PRIMARILY, THOUGH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GETTING WIRES OUT TO THESE HOUSEHOLDS OR IS THERE AN OPTION OF OVER THE AIR, OR BROADCAST TYPE CONNECTIONS THAT CAN SAVE THE COST OF RUNNING ALL OF THESE CABLES OUT TO PEOPLE?

>> ACTUALLY NOT ONE OR THE OTHER.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BOTH.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT TO BUILD A FOUNDATION FOR THIS ACCESS IS THOSE WIRED CONNECTIONS ARE IN FACT FOUNDATION OF ACCESS.

YOU SO CAN YOU SPREAD HIGH SPEED ACCESS AS FAR AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET INTO YOUR HOUSE, DRIVING YOUR CAR, WIRELESS LAYER THAT FLOATS ON TOP OF IT IS TYPICALLY THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT FROM YOUR DEVICE TO YOUR HOME, INTERNET OR BUSINESS INTERNET OR CAR.

WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME IS THAT TECHNOLOGY GETS BETTER.

IT'S STILL DEPENDS ON THAT WIRED LAYER TO START.

THEN YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, OVER TIME, WIRELESS STUFF GETS BITTER AND BETTER AND BETTER.

TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES W WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENT BEFORE THE PROGRAM.

WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT BASE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE HIGH SPEED CONNECTIONS, TO BUSINESSES AND HOMES, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WIRELESS LAYERS ON TOP OF IT CAN IMPROVE, GET BETTER AND BETTER, AND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE OR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE USING IT GETS BETTER.

>>Daryl: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, SO ARE WE AT A PLACE NOW IN SOCIETY WHERE WE ARE LOOKINGING AT BROADBAND AND HAWAIIAN TELCOM AS A RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A PRIVILEGE?

HIGH‑SPEED INTERNET.

SO MANY THINGS WE PAY I HAD FOR ALL OF OUR LIVES FOLKS LIKE US YOU MIDDLE CLASS OR UPPER MIDDLE CLASS HAVE NO TROUBLE PAYING FOR IT.

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE IT, DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

TOO BAD FOR THEM.

NOW WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE'RE SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE EQUALITY OF ACCESS DESPITE THEIR ABILITY TO PAVEMENT.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

IT HAS EVOLVED TO A POINT WHERE IT'S JUST AS ESSENTIAL AS ANY OTHER UTILITY.

IS FOR YOU TO SAY THAT YOU LIVE IN AREA AND YOU DON'T HAVE REMOTE ACCESS.

HOW DO YOU CALL IN TO GET, ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOWADAYS, SOMETIMES CELL PHONE.

IF YOUR CELL PHONE INTERNET IS NOT WORKING, THEN HOW DO YOU CALL IN THE AMBULANCE OR HOW DO YOU CALL IN SOMEBODY?

I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT GARRETT WAS SAYING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHERE THE POCKETS ARE.

WHERE ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS?

WHERE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT SERVED?

WHETHER IT'S PUNAHOU, NAALEHU, LANAI, MOLOKAI, WHERE IS THAT?

BECAUSE IN DOWNTOWN HONOLULU, AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT WHETHER IT'S WIRELESS, HAWAIIAN TELCOM, SPECTRUM, SERVICE PROVIDERS WILL SERVE AREAS THAT CAN AFFORD TO PAY.

CERTAIN AREAS, IT MIGHT BE FOUR HOMES IN A MOUNTAIN.

WHAT COMPANIES, WHAT CAN THE STATE DO TO ENSURE THAT THE FOUR HOMES AND FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE SERVED.

AND HOW DO YOU WE ENSURE THAT THEY GET WHETHER IT'S EDUCATIONAL ACCESS HEALTH CARE.

SO JUST LIKE WHAT GARY WAS SAYING, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE WIRED.

IT COULD BE WIRE.

IT COULD BE SATELLITE.

IT COULD BE WIRELESS.

>>Daryl: I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING YOU THOUGH, IS LIKE OKAY, SO WE'VE GO THE THESE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE AND RIGHT PROVIDE YOU SERVICES.

TO DIG THROUGH OUR SIDEWALKS, MAKE SURE THESE CABLES CAN GO INTO OUR HOUSE.

CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REGULATION THAT THEY'RE UNDER.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE THEM DO IT?

PAY THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THEY CAN GO DO IT?

>> I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT.

SO REASON WHY SOME OF THESE PROVIDERS ARE NOT GOING TO CERTAIN REMOTE AREAS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM.

IF IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM, IS IT THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY AND NOW, IS IT THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE IN ALL AREAS HAVE EQUAL AMOUNT OF ACCESS.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YES.

I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE OUT IN THE MOST RURAL COMMUNITIES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE AMENITIES OF DOWNTOWN HONOLULU, YOU DESERVE JUST AS MUCH, JUST BECAUSE THESE CORPORATION DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY IN THEIR DISTRICTS.

>>Daryl: KA'ALA SOUZA, YOU WERE MENTIONING IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

HE CAN WILT ISSUE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR EQUITY ISSUE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, TAKING ON.

NO ONE FORCED YOU TO DO IT.

MAKING SURE ONCE YOU GET THAT ACCESS TO THAT DATA PIPE, YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT?

HOW BIG OF ISSUE IS THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY AND HOW BIG A PART OF THIS INITIATIVE IS THAT PART?

JUST LITERALLY TRAINING AND PROVIDING DEVICES OUT THERE WHERE PEOPLE NEED THEM?

>> FIRST, I APPRECIATE WHAT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID.

THAT THAT MADE ME HAPPY.

BECAUSE IT IS ANSWER WAS YES.

STATE DOES HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND THE KULEANA FOR THAT.

I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW BIG AN ISSUE IS THAT, I'M GOING TO SAY, I WAS QUIBBLING WITH THE WORD "MOST.

MOST WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING.

>>Daryl: INTRODUCTION.

>> I'M SORRY GOING TO SAY 30% OF OUR WORKFORCE STRUGGLE WITH PASSING BASIC DIGITAL LITERACY TEST.

GIVE TO YOU.

WEBSITE PUTTING TOGETHER.

30% OF OUR WORKFORCE IS NOT GOING TO BE PAYABLE TO PASS A DIGITAL LITERACY TEST.

PROVE ME WRONG.

THAT'S SO HARD TO FIND NUMBERS ON, THAT'S 200,000 PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: ASK ME HARDEST QUESTION.

DIGITAL LITERACY TEST.

BURT LUM ON THIS PANEL.

>>Daryl: YOU MEAN HIM?

>> YEAH.

THAT GUY.

OG.

BEEN AROUND.

NOT THAT YOU'RE OLD, JUST SAYING.

HE TOOK THE TEST.

MAYBE YOU COULD SHARE.

DIDN'T GET 100%.

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP ON TV.

KAALA.

I COULDN'T WAIT.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP.

I DIDN'T THINK THEY WE WERE GOING TO GO THERE.

>>Daryl: GO ON THE INTERNET.

QUESTIONS WILL VARY.

THE ONE THAT I MISSED WAS IDENTIFYING A MOUSE.

NOW, I WILL ADMIT THAT THERE MULTIPLE CHOICES THAT I COULD PICK AND I DIDN'T HAPPEN TO SEE THE MOUSE.

SO I PICK WRONG THING.

>>Daryl: IT WAS A PICTURE OF A MOUSE?

>> YEAH.

GREAT TEST.

WE USE THIS NONPROFIT AM MINNESOTA NORTH STAR.

LIBRARIES BIG ON THIS.

DIGITAL LITERACY BEFORE WE'VE BEEN.

GO TO THE LIBRARY.

GET HELP.

30% OF OUR WORKFORCE IS GOING TO PASSING WITH PASSING THE TEST, WHICH IS LIKE 80 PLUS%.

HE PASSED.

NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

30% ARE NOT GOING TO PASS.

IDENTIFYING, THERE'S A BUTTON HOW DO YOU TURN IT ON?

TURN IT OFF?

WHAT IS THE POINT OF USB PORT?

TERMINOLOGY.

>>Daryl: WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO TURN IT OFF AND ON TO FIX IT?

>> THAT'S ONLY WINDOWS.

>>Daryl: WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE FOCUS ON OUR QUESTIONS.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> TAKE THAT TEST.

I GOT WEBSITE FOR YOU.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

WHAT ARE THE SKILLS THAT ARE MOST LACKING OUT THERE?

>> IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR MOUSE, KNOW HOW TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET, WHAT THIS WHOLE, I'M HERE FOR TO WATCH YOU GUYS.

IF THEY CAN GET US FAST INTERNET, WE CAN USE THE MOUSE, THAT BURT KNOWS HOW TO USE A MOUSE.

OPEN A BROWSER.

GO FOR YOUTUBE.

YOU TYPE, HOW DO I?

YOU CAN LEARN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO LEARN.

EVERYBODY IN OUR STATE HAS LEARNING MENTALITY, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE HOW PEOPLE LEARN.

SO THAT SKILL OF NAVIGATING OPENING UP A BROWSER, USING YOUR MOUSE, CLICKING ON SOMETHING, WE ALL FOR GRANT.

30% OF OUR STATE IS WITHOUT THEIR MOOPUNA HELPING THEM, OR KEIKI HELPING THEM, HAVE A CHALLENGE.

>>Daryl: SO BURT PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE LACKING OUT THERE WHAT IS THE SERVICE THEY NEED TO GET OTHER THAN LIKE KAALA IS SAYING.

COMPUTER IS A TREMENDOUS TRAINING TOOL ONCE YOU HAVE THE COMPUTER UP AND RUNNING.

WHAT ABOUT DEVICES AND EQUIPMENT.

DO WE NEED TO BE DELIVERING EQUIPMENT AND DEVICES OUT THERE?

>> THANKS DARYL FOR PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT AGAIN.

THE DIGITAL EQUITY WORK WE DO, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WE WERE OUT IN KONA.

AND KAALA WAS DOING A CLASS.

AND THIS IS DIGITAL LITERACY OO1.

NOT A 101.

001.

REALLY LEARNING HOW TO TURN COMPUTER ON.

>> GET ON TO THE INTERNET.

BRING UP A BROWSER AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, KUPUNA I TYPED, HELP HER TYPE IN AMAZON.COM.

WHOLE WORLD OPENED UP.

NOW, THIS SAME KUPUNA, WANTED TO SEE IF SHE COULD BENEFIT FROM SOMETHING CALLED AFFORDABLE CONNECTIVITY PROGRAM.

AND THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU GET THIRTY DOLLARS OFF YOUR INTERNET SERVICE.

SO WE HAD A LITTLE POP UP.

WE HELPED HER LOOK AT GETTING SIGNED UP.

IT TURNS OUT I THINK ONE OF HER GRANDSON MAYBE HAD ALREADY SIGNED HER UP.

BUT SHE COULDN'T ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE BENEFIT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS TO RECEIVE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT.

YES, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BASIC SERVICES THAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO DO.

GET AN EMAIL ACCOUNT.

SO BASIC.

WE SORT OF ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO DO THAT.

BUT I'LL I TELL YOU IN THE CLASS, PEOPLE JUST APPLAUDING THE FACT THAT WE'RE STARTING AT SUCH A BASIC LEVEL.

>>Daryl: I DO HAVE A QUESTION CAME IN.

WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR LARGER CONVERSATION.

WILL ALL OF THIS MONEY, WITH ALL THIS MONEY COMING IN, WILL SPECTRUM GET A BETTER SIGNAL ON NORTH SHORE.

WITH ALL OF THIS MONEY COMING IN.

DO WE HAVE LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LITTLE POCKETS OF AREA.

MOST OF THE STATE IS WIRED FOR CABLE.

RIGHT?

WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT SPECTRUM GET A MUCH BETTER SIGNAL ON THE NORTH SHORE, DO YOU THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT CELLPHONES SIGNAL OR TALKING WHERE ACTUAL WHAT'S COMING IN THE INDEPENDENT?

WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?

IN THE INTERNET?

>> THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT.

HAWAII ACTUALLY ONE.

MOST DENSELY CONNECTED STATES IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS PAST.

SO THIS MEANS, THEIR SERVICE ON THE STREET, PASSING YOUR HOUSE.

AND YOU CAN CALL A COMPANY TO CONNECT IT TO.

LIKE THE SPECTRUM SERVICE.

PART OF CALLER'S QUESTION IS ALSO, IS THE SERVICE BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED IN THE AREA.

KAALA MENTIONED EARLIER, PART OF IT IS JUST IF YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU PAID FOR, YOU OUGHT TO CALL THEM UP AND SAY, HEY, MY STUFF IS SLOW.

OR MY IT.

TV PICTURE IS FUZZY.

PAYING FOR THEIR STUFF.

SEND A TRUCK TO FIX IT.

>>Daryl: YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO TEST THE SPEED OF INTERNET AND HOLD THE COMPANY TO THAT STANDARD.

>> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: COINCIDENTALLY, MAYBE REALLY STRUCK SOMETHING, THIS IS KO'OLAULOA NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.

HAU'ULA.

WE COULD NOT EVEN LISTEN A PRESENTATION ON ZOOM ABOUT THE MONSTER TURBINES AT KAHUKU.

POLITICAL STUFF THERE.

BECAUSE INTERNET DID NOT HAVE THE SPACE‑WIDTH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WHEN WILL WE GET GOOD INTERNET ON HAU'ULA, KO'OLAULOA ON OAHU?

GOT GAPS?

GEOGRAPHIC GAPS OR AS GARY SAY, DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR PLACE IS?

>> EXACTLY.

GARRETT DESCRIBED SITUATION WHERE SOME OF THE RURAL COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE, OAHU AND THE CASE OF HAU'ULA, THEY MAY NOT, COMPANIES LIKE CHARTER HAWAIIAN TELCOM, MAY NOT SEE THE PROFITABILITY OF RUNNING INFRASTRUCTURE TO LOCATION.

MAY NOT SEE IT.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

AGAIN, I'M REPRESENTING PEOPLE OUT HERE WHO ARE LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS ARE TOO SMART.

OKAY, I'M OUT IN RURAL AREA.

AND I'M PAYING $125 A MONTH FOR CABLE TV.

RIGHT?

AND OFFERS INTERNET.

SO I PAY ANOTHER THIRTY DOLLARS A MONTH FOR INTERNET.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT EVEN IF I'M DOING THAT, I'M NOT, MIGHT NOT BE GETTING ENOUGH TO MEET THE STANDARD OF HIGH SPEED BROADBAND?

IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT JUST ME AND MY HOUSE, WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> WATER ANALOGY.

GETTING WATER TO YOUR HOUSE, NUMBER OF POINTS ALONG THE WAY THAT WILL PROVIDE.

>>Daryl: BOTTLENECKS.

>> NECESSARY AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GETS TO YOUR HOUSE.

NOW, WHAT IS HAPPENED ALONG THE WAY MAY BE THAT THERE IS LESS AMOUNT OF BANDWIDTH PROVIDING ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ACCESS.

SO PART OF THE MONEY THAT FEDERAL FUNDS ARE GOING TO HELP TO ENABLE IS FOR COMPANIES TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT, CAN THEY MAKE MORE CAPACITY AVAILABLE.

SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE.

>>Daryl: GOOD.

I GOT THAT.

I CAN STOP FOR A MOMENT.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, NOW IS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TO DO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROPORTION OF MONEY IS GOING TO THAT PROBLEM.

SIZE OF THE PIPE GOING TO HAU'ULA OR THE NORTH SHORE.

AND THEN HOW MUCH OF IT IS GOING TO THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE NOT HAVING DEVICES OR HAVING SLOW INTERNET IN THE HOUSE OR NO INTERNET.

>> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT?

WHERE IS THE BIG MONEY GOING TO GO?

>> THAT IS EXACTLY, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TOGETHER CHARGED WITH.

WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.

>> IT IS ABOUT ENSURING THAT PEOPLE CAN TURN ON THE COMPUTER AND DO SEARCH.

THAT'S PART OF IT.

IT IS ALSO ABOUT GOING INTO UNDERSERVED AREAS.

POCKETS, SO WE'RE NOT ONLY TALKING ABOUT LANAI, MOLOKAI, PUNA, NAALEHU.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAU'ULA OR NORTH SHORE.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE SERVICE, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE BETTER COMPETITION, HAVE SPECTRUM AND HAWAIIAN TELCOM AND WIRELESS SERVICES GET ON THE SAME TABLE AND CHARGE THEM BASICALLY, CHALLENGE THEM TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE, BETTER HIGHER SPEED INTERNET.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALL BEEN PRIVATE PROVIDERS.

A LOT OF TIMES PRIVATE PROVIDERS ARE DRIVEN BY STOCKHOLDERS.

>> SHAREHOLDERS AND WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM.

ADDING OUR BASIC STATE OR FEDERALLY FUNDED COMPETITION, WHAT THAT MIGHT DO IS IF WE WERE TO INCREASE BANDWIDTH IN CERTAIN AREAS, EVEN DOWNTOWN HONOLULU, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I'M SITTING IN MY OFFICE.

IF YOU'RE AT THE CAPITOL, YOU CAN HOOK UP TO THE HAWAII STATE WI‑FI.

IF I HOOK UP TO THE STATE WI‑FI, IT DOESN'T WORK.

I GOT TO GET OFF THE WI‑FI.

USE MY MOBILE SERVICE TO GET ON THE WI‑FI.

WHEN I GO HOME, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

SO MY INTERNET AT HOME IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH.

OR MY CELL SERVICE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH BECAUSE CERTAIN POCKETS IN MY HOUSE, I CAN'T GET CELL SERVICE.

>>Daryl: YOU'RE IN NUUANU.

>> NUUANU.

SO I NOT TO GET ON THE HOME WI‑FI.

SO I'M CONSTANTLY ON A DAILY BASIS CONSTANTLY SWITCHING BACK TO WI‑FI TO CELL SERVICE.

EVEN FOR DOWNTOWN, POCKETS.

WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: GARRETT LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

WHAT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS DESCRIBING IS COMPETITION MODEL WHERE THE STATE MIGHT BE ACTUALLY OR THE STATE OR ENTITY SUPPORTED BY THE STATE MIGHT COME IN AND START COMPETING WITH MY INTERNET PROVIDERS?

>> WE ARE NOT INTERESTED NO DIRECTLY ENTERING AS PUBLIC ENTITY HEAD‑TO‑HEAD COMPETITION WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT WITH THIS LARGE INFLUX OF FEDERAL MONEY IT GIVES US LEVERAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC INTERESTS ARE ACTUALLY PUT RAISED UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED.

WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE CORE PIPES, THE BIG WATERMAINS, ARE BIG ENOUGH TO FEED EVERYBODY.

>>Daryl: DATA MAIN.

>> YES.

DATA MAIN.

NEW WORD.

COINED IT TODAY.

PUT IT IN THE DICTIONARY.

SIZE OF THE FEDERAL INVESTMENT, SIZE OF THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT ACTUALLY DOES GIVE US LEVERAGE.

THAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE, NOT TO GET INTO HAWAIIAN TELCOM OR CHARTER OR VERIZON'S BUSINESS, BUT IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD WHERE IT'S NECESSARY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER OUTCOME FOR THE CITIZENS.

>>Daryl: KAALA, IN THIS DISCUSSION, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID AND AGAIN, I'M SORT OF SPEAKING FOR THE TYPICAL CABLE CUSTOMER.

I LOVE THESE QUESTIONS.

THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE INTERNET AS I AM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD MINE IS.

I'M IN MAKAKILO.

I DON'T KNOW.

IS IT JUST A FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT FOR A SERVICE ARE GETTING LESS SERVICE OR MORE SERVICE THAN THEIR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THE COMPANIES DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN EQUAL SERVICE?

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

SPEED TEST.NET.

>> TYPE THAT IN AND CHECK WHEN YOU GO HOME HOW FAST YOUR INTERNET IS.

THEN YOU'LL KNOW.

LIKE TONIGHT.

THE TRICKY THING IS THE NOT JUST, YOU CAN HAVE THE BIG PIPES COMING IN, BUT THERE'S OTHER LIKE BLOCKAGES IN THE HOUSE.

THIS IS NOT MY AREA.

THIS THESE ARE THE TECH GUYS HERE.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, YOUR COMPUTER ROUTER, IS GOING TO AFFECT THE SPEED OF THAT.

OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT TOO, YOU SAY IF YOU'RE PAYING 50 BUCKS FOR YOUR INTERNET, I'M PAYING 50 BUCKS FOR MY INTERNET LIVE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

BOTH ON CABLE.

HAWAIIAN TELCOM OR SPECTRUM.

DOESN'T MATTER.

I COULD STILL GET DIFFERENT SPEEDS BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT I'M USING.

SO LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS DOING IS TROUBLESHOOTING INTERNET CONNECTION.

THAT IS CHALLENGING TO DO.

LIKE, I'M GOING TO GO FROM THIS ONE TO THIS ONE.

AMAZING ACTUALLY.

SO YOU CAN TAKE THE TEST TO.

GIVE THAT YOU TO.

>> YEAH.

>> WANT TO CHECK.

THAT IS NOT EASY.

>>Daryl: GRADUATED COLLEGE LONG TIME AGO.

I'M NOT TAKING NO MORE TESTS.

>> EASY.

TEN MINUTES.

>> GOT A LINK FOR YOU.

>> HOOK THIS UP.

MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE WE ARE, MORE AWARE.

HAVE 50 BUCKS HERE, 50 BUCKS HERE, SO IT'S NOT JUST GARRETT GET A CABLE, I MEAN BIG PIPE HERE.

BECAUSE IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU HAVE A COMPUTER THAT IS 20 YEARS OLD.

ROUTER THAT TEN YEARS OLD.

AND YOU HAVE A CABLE THAT IS YOUR CAT BIT THROUGH OR SOMETHING.

TROUBLESHOOTING THAT, I MEAN, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS.

>>Daryl: WE HAD WET CABLES ONCE.

>> NEVER HEARD OF THAT.

>>Daryl: WATER WOULD COME IN.

FILLING THIS BOX.

AND WHEN IT RAINED, INTERNET SLOWED DOWN.

MY WIFE SIDE, IT'S RAINING INTERNET SLOWING DOWN.

I SAID YOU'RE CRAZY.

GUY COMES OUT, HE SAYS, YOU'VE GOT THIS BOX.

WATER FLOWS INTO IT.

IT SLOWS DOWN YOUR INTERNET.

OH, MAN.

>> LAST TIME.

KALAUPAPA, WHEN THERE'S A STORM, BIG WAVES AT KALAUPAPA ON MOLOKAI, THE CABLE HANG DOWN AND RUNS DOWN THE MOUNTAIN.

SHAKES AGAINST THE MOUNTAIN.

I WENT TO GO CHECK IT OUT.

I WAS THERE END OF LAST YEAR.

WE DID A CLASS OVER THERE.

THAT EFFECTS SPEED OF THE INTERNET.

PRETTY GOOD INTERNET DOWN THERE.

I THINK IT'S SPECTRUM.

100 MEGA BITS PER SECOND DOWN IN THAT 100‑YEAR‑OLD AUDITORIUM.

PRETTY LEGIT.

WHEN IT'S WINDY, WAVES ARE BIG, YOU'RE OUT.

>>Daryl: GIVE ME A SENSE GARRETT, NUMBER $400 MILLION WAS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR OFFICE.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF PROPORTIONALTY WHAT   WHERE IS THE 150 OF THAT GOING AN 50 OF IT GOING AND 40 OF IT GOING?

HAVE YOU GOTTEN THERE YET?

>> GOTTEN SOME OF THE BIG CHUNKS PARSED OUT.

MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROGRAM, FEDERAL PROGRAMS ARE STRUCTURED.

SO THEY'RE ALL, THIS IS NUMBER OF PROGRAMS TOGETHER TO GET TO THE 400 TOTAL.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WILL FOCUS PRIMARILY ON SOME OF THE UNDERLYING INFRASTRUCTURE.

LIKE 100 AND CHANGE.

THE OTHER PART OF IT IN TERMS OF.

>>Daryl: ADDS UP TO REAL MONEY.

MILLION AND CHANGE.

>> AND CHANGE.

THE OTHER PART OF IT THOUGH HAS TO DO A LOT WITH FIGURING OUT WHERE THESE POCKETS SIT.

AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO DOWN IN PRIORITY ORDER BASED ON HOW THE PROGRAMS ARE SET UP TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH FUNDING GETS SPENT IN THOSE BUCKETS AND THEN WE'RE HOPING THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SO THAT WE CAN GET AND COVER ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES INCLUDING THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY HUBS INCLUDING SO SOME OF THE WRAPAROUND SERVICE DIGITAL LITERACY SERVICES.

>>Daryl: HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WITH THIS SOUNDS LIKE A TONY OF MONEY.

>> CORRECT.

>>Daryl: ISLAND BY ISLAND, AGAIN, THIS IS IGNORANT QUESTION.

IS IT ALL GO CABLE BY CABLE UNDER THE OCEAN?

IS THAT THE PRIMARY FOCUS ON IT?

OR MICROWAVE TOWERS THAT SENT IT?

FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND?

DOES IT ALL COME INTO OAHU, HAVE TO BE DISTRIBUTED?

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> OKAY.

>>Daryl: PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

>> THERE ARE VERSIONS OF THIS WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED STILL IN EXISTENCE.

MICROWAVE LINKS PERHAPS CONNECT BETWEEN LET'S SAY MOLOKAI AND LANAI.

THERE ARE IN THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE IN TODAY, MOST OF IT SHOULD BE FIBER CONNECTED.

INTERISLAND.

BEST WAY TO CONNECT OUR ENTIRE STATE IS TO HAVE TRANS‑PACIFIC FIBER CABLES COMING IN FROM WHETHER IT'S WEST COAST OR FROM ASIA, AND DISTRIBUTION THROUGHOUT THE STATE VIA INTERISLAND FIBER.

IN SOME OF THE VERY HARD TO GET TO AREAS, LIKE I THINK EVEN IN HANA, IT WAS PRIMARILY SERVED BY MICROWAVE CONNECTIONS.

THERE ARE SOME PLANS TO HAVE HAWAIIAN TELCOM RUN FIBER ALONG THE SOUTH ROUTE TO GET TO HANA.

SO THAT WILL IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY IN HANA.

>>Daryl: THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY A FIBER CONNECTION.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

MOST ROBUST CONNECTION AND CONNECTION THAT WILL AFFORD YOU HIGHEST SPEED.

>> HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO THAT NOW?

>> THAT'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HELPING TO ADDRESS WITH THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

SO WHETHER IT'S THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND, AND AS WELL AS THE B.E.A.D.

PROGRAM, THESE ARE ALL PROGRAMS THAT ADDRESS VARIOUS ASPECTS WHETHER IT'S TRANS‑PACIFIC, CABLE LANDINGS, INTERISLAND FIBER AS WELL AS LAST MILE CONNECTIVITY.

I DO ALSO WANT TO SAY YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFY MONEYS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR DIGITAL EQUITY PROGRAMS AROUND ALTHOUGH IT'S RATHER SMALL COMPARED TO THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON SOMETHING CALLED DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN FOR THE STATE OF HAWAII.

AND THE PLAN WILL THEN LEAD TO SOMETHING CALLED DIGITAL EQUITY CAPACITY GRANTS.

NOT AS MUCH AS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

LOOKING AT TEN TO MAYBE $13 MILLION WHICH WILL GO TOWARDS DIGITAL LITERACY, TYPES OF PROGRAMS.

GO TO THINGS LIKE ACCESS TO DEVICES.

DIGITAL NAVIGATORS.

AFFORDABILITY.

AS WELL AS BROADBAND EQUITY.

>>Daryl: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, I'M THINKING NOW ABOUT KUPUNA I KNOW, I'M LUCKY I'M IN A HIGHLY INTENSE TECHNOLOGY TECHNOLOGICAL BUSINESS.

TELEVISION.

I'M CONSTANTLY FORCED TO LEARN NEW TECHNOLOGY.

BUT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON, THERE'S MANY, MANY PEOPLE ALL THEY HAVE IS THAT CELL PHONE, THAT THEY CAN BARELY USE.

AND IT COSTS THEM A LOT OF MONEY.

WHAT IS THE DREAM IN TERMS OF REACHING A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T EVEN THOUGH WHAT SHE'S MISSING?

AND HOW IMPORTANT IS IT THAT THAT CONNECTION FOR HER IMPROVES GIVEN THE WAY THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED ARE BEING PROVIDED THESE DAYS?

ARE SOME PEOPLE GETTING LOST BECAUSE EVEN THE SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THEM, ELDER SERVICE PROVIDERS, FOOD PROVIDERS, THEY'RE ALL GOING FOR RELY ON THAT TECHNOLOGY.

IF YOU CAN'T GET HOOKED UP, YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OUT.

>> NOWADAYS, EVEN GOVERNMENT SERVICE MORE AND MORE TO ONLINE SERVICE FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE USERS.

ONE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT POCKETS OF PEOPLE POPULATION OUT THERE, THAT DON'T ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH GET ON THE INTERNET.

NOT COMFORTABLE WITH FILLING OUT A FORM.

AND STILL DON'T TRUST THAT.

WE NEED TO CATER TO ALL SEGMENTS OF POPULATION.

I THINK FOR US, PART OF THIS FUNDING WILL BE OUTREACH INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND ENGAGING COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU EXAMPLE ON THE BIG ISLAND.

I WOULD SAY OUT OF ALL ISLANDS, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS ON THE BIG ISLAND THAT MUCH MORE ENGAGED AND FURTHER ALONG ABOUT HOW DO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF NOT JUST WHAT IS BEEN GIVEN TO US BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THERE IS THIS PROGRAM THAT GIVES YOU, GIVES YOU DISCOUNT OFF THEIR INTERNET BILL AND THAT IS CALLED AFFORDABLE CONNECTIVITY PROGRAM.

>>Daryl: SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I AM READING THESE FRANTICALLY STARTING TO COME IN.

VIEWER SAYS ELIGIBILITY FOR REDUCED INTERNET CONNECTIVITY TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH EXPIRED AFTER 2 YEARS.

NOW $35.

WANTS TO KNOW WHY THE ELIGIBILITY WAS LIMITED TO 2 YEARS.

ARE THOSE PROGRAMS LIMITED FOR SOME REASON?

>> RIGHT NOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS EXTENDED THAT PERIOD.

AND SO ONE OF THINGS THAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO APPLY FROM HAWAII, LEVEL OF APPLICATION HAS BEEN REALLY LOW COMPARED TO REST OF THE NATION.

WHICH IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE.

WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY $35 FOR INDIVIDUALS.

IF YOU'RE ON HOMESTEAD, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH MORE.

SEVENTY‑FIVE DOLLARS.

SO IF YOU'RE ON HOMESTEAD LOT, AND YOU CAN GET $75 OFF YOUR INTERNET BILL, THAT IS HUGE.

WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

ON THE BIG ISLAND, WE HAVE GREAT INDIVIDUALS ESPECIALLY RON KODANI AND HIS WIFE DARLENE.

COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS.

EDUCATING FELLOW HOMESTEADERS AND EDUCATING NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.

WE NEED TO FIND MORE PEOPLE LIKE THAT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH HOMES OR COMMUNITIES, OR CIVIC CLUBS OR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, OR EVEN LIKE CATHOLIC CHARITIES, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INVOLVED SNAP PROGRAMS, MEDICAID POPULATION, HAVE TO ENGAGE THEM.

SERVE THOSE PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: PROGRAMS THAT COULD BE TRAINED BY THE PROGRAMS THEMSELVES.

KAALA SOUZA, QUESTION PERFECT FOR YOU.

HOW ARE YOU MAKING SURE HOMELESS FAMILIES HAVE BEING ASSESS TO INTERNET SO STUDENTS CAN DO THEIR HOMEWORK AND ACCESS TO OTHER VITAL SERVICES FROM KAHUKU TEACHER, FACEBOOK, KAHUKU LIBRARY CLOSES ON 5:00 ON WEEKDAYS.

CLOSE ON WEEKEND.

LIBRARY SYSTEM.

HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT?

>> LIBRARY SYSTEM IS JUST CRITICAL.

COUPLE OF QUESTIONS INSIDE THERE THAT ARE COUPLE POINTS THAT TEACHER BRINGS UP.

HOMELESS POPULATION, COUPLE OF, BURT BROUGHT UP, HAWAII DIGITAL EQUITY PLAN.

THAT IS OFFICE IS WORK ON.

THERE IS IT CERTAIN COVERED POPULATIONS THAT PLAN IS GOING TO ADDRESS.

THERE'S RURAL POPULATIONS, VETERANS, INCARCERATD, PREVIOUSLY INCARCERATED.

ANOTHER CHALLENGE IN PRISON RIGHT NOW, YOU WERE THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, NEVER SEEN A SMARTPHONE, YOU'RE COMING OUT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.

IF YOU'RE A HOMELESS, OR HOUSELESS, THERE IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING JAMES PAKELE AUNTY IN WAIANAE PUTTING TOGETHER SOME THINGS.

IT'S A CHALLENGE.

BIG CHALLENGE IS IF IT YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH, ALL OF OUR STUFF IS IN ENGLISH.

IF YOU HAVE DISABILITIES, LIKE IF YOU, HAD SOMEBODY ON KAUAI, LIHUE, DID A COUPLE CLASSES AND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH GUY, RAY BROUGHT OVER SOME PEOPLE.

AND THREE OF THE PEOPLE IN MY CLASS WERE LEGALLY BLIND.

AND THEN THREE OF THEM WERE FROM EASTER SEALS IT'S A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN.

ALL KINDS OF, WHEN YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN, IT'S A CHALLENGE.

I'M SAYING 300,000 PEOPLE.

IN OUR OUR STATE STRUGGLE WITH PASSING THIS STUFF.

BASIC STUFF.

LIBRARIES 51 OF THEM IN OUR STATE MOLOKAI, HAS ONE OF THE FASTEST INTERNET SPEEDS THAT WE'VE TESTED ON THAT ISLAND.

600 MEGA BITS PER SECOND DOWN.

>> >> EVEN MORE.

CLOSER TO A GIG.

>> AMAZING SHOUT OUT TO STACY ELDRIDGE ON THAT.

>>Daryl: HOW DO THEY DO IS THAT?

ONE BUILDING HAVE MUCH MUCH BETTER SPEEDS?

>> SOME OF IT HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR IT.

PAY 30 BUCKS.

BROADCAST TODAY ON MOLOKAI.

ONLY ONE CHOICE.

OTHER REGULAR WAS NOT WORKING.

I HAD TO GET PREMIUM FOR 5.99.

THIS ONE OVER HERE WAS 5‑POINT OR SOMETHING.

IF YOU SPEND $100, AND YOU HAVE INTERNET IN KAILUA, YOU CAN GET A BIG, GET A THOUSAND MEGA BITS PER SECOND DOWN.

WAIMANALO, AUNTY 12 MEGABYTES PER SECONDS.

HOW MUCH IS SHE GOING TO PAY.

?

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATE SUPPORT SOME SUBSIDIES.

>>Daryl: EXCITED ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDING FINALLY COMING FOR US.

WE NEED TO NOT ONLY LET THE RURAL AREA HAVE THE COVERAGE INDEED, BASICALLY, WAIKIKI, JP WAIKIKI, LIKE TO SEE BETTER COVERAGE.

IS ANY OF THE FED MONEY GOING TOWARDS LOWERING OUR INTERNET BILLS, INTERNET BILLS, INTERNET BILLS, PRICES KEEP RISING.

>> TIM FROM KAIMUKI.

THIS KIND OF WHERE ISSUE BECOMES, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL OR LIVING IN A CERTAIN PLACE, CAN YOU GET A BREAK ON IT YOUR INTERNET BILL.

IS THAT JUST GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO PUSH UP THE BILL ON EVERYBODY ELSE?

BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARTICULAR REGULATION OF THOSE BILLS.

GARRETT, WHAT ABOUT THE PRICING SITUATION?

ALL OF THIS MONEY GETS INVESTED, MY TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.

BUT DO I REGULAR TYPICAL MIDDLE CLASS CUSTOMER, AM I GOING TO GET A BREAK ON MY BILL AT SOME POINT OR AM I GOING TO PAY MORE SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS WHICH IS OKAY WITH ME.

>> DARYL CAN PAY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S BILL.

THAT'S OKAY WITH US TOO.

HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT COMPETITION.

USING THESE FUNDS AS LEVERAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT REALLY GOOD COMPETITION IN THE STATE.

BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE IN FACT, PRICING FOR INTERNET SERVICES IS NOT REGULATED.

IT'S PRETTY PURELYUNREGULATED SERVICE.

MARKET DRIVEN.

MARKETS WORK WHEN THERE'S COMPETITION.

MARKETS WORK WHEN THERE'S CHOICE.

IDEA HERE IS MAKE SURE WE CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT IN HAWAII WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO DRIVE CHOICE, THAT WILL HELP THE MARKET SELF‑REGULATE TO KEEP IT DOWN.

WE'LL MAKE IT FREE.

STILL BUSINESSES.

HAVE TO GET RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

MAKE A PROFIT FOR SHAREHOLDERS.

THAT'S COOL BUT ALSO NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, HAVE THE GREATEST NEED IN THE COMMUNITY SO WE HOLD UP THE SUBSIDIES FOR THE LOWEST INCOME AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN MOST NEED.

AND LET GET COMPETITION BALANCE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEVER SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET OUT OF HAND.

SO DARYL'S BILL DOESN'T GO UP TO 100 BUCKS A MONTH AND BURT PAYS 50 BUCKS A MONTH.

>>Daryl: DESCRIBING GREAT NEED TO EDUCATE CONSUMERS.

COMPETITION DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMPETITION IS ABOUT, AND YOU DON'T KNOW.

>> ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

WE HAD A CALL FROM GAL OUT IN PALOLO.

NORTH OF HILO.

SHE TOLD ME, I HAVE REALLY SLOW INTERNET SERVICE.

I'M SUBSCRIBE TO THIS ONE QUESTION.

REALLY SLOW.

CAN'T GET BETTER IN PALOLO.

HAD A CHOICE.

SWITCH TO ANOTHER PROVIDER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.

IT IS ABOUT EDUCATION.

IT IS ABOUT OUTREACH.

MAKING SURE NOT JUST HAVE A CHOICE BUT THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A CHOICE.

>>Daryl: KAALA WAS SAYING EARLIER, BEST WAY TO GET THE INTERNET BILL LOWER IS CALL THEM AND SAY YOU'RE GOING TO CUT THE CORD.

>> IT IS.

ACTUALLY IT IS.

>> THANKS FOR FILLING ME IN.

>> BRING IT ON.

LET'S DO IT.

I LIKE THIS PART ABOUT GETTING THIS BILL.

SUPER EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT.

QUESTION ABOUT GUY FROM NORTH SHORE GET BETTER INTERNET?

YOU CAN PAY BUT THEN IT YOU'RE PAYING LIKE SO MUCH MONEY.

JUST PRICED OUT.

SO THE PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY ARE GETTING FASTEST INTERNET.

THEN THEY'RE JUST MOVING AHEAD.

WHAT THE PANDEMIC DID FOR US KIND OF LIKE WE DON'T THINK ABOUT OUR BREATHING RIGHT NOW.

BUT THEN SOMEBODY GOES AND CHOKES YOU A LITTLE BIT.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU START THINKING BY DON'T HAVE AIR.

STARTING TO THINK WE DON'T HAVE INTERNET NOW.

>>Daryl: EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS.

>> RIGHT?

SO MY SON, GAMER.

HE WANTS SUPERFAST LOTS OF INTERNET.

I'M SURE HE'S PAYING FOR IT.

BUT I'M LIKE, MY WIFE, PROBABLY PRETTY BASIC USE.

MAYBE VIDEOS IS THE MOSTLY USE.

HOW MUCH OF THIS NEED FOR BIG, FAST DOWNLOAD AN UPLOADS IS SERVING PEOPLE WHO I MEAN, WHAT IS THE BASIC NEED?

I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE BASIC THINGS WE NEED TO HAVE TO DO INTERNET AS OPPOSED TO MOVIES AND GAMING?

DO WE NEED THAT MUCH INTERNET?

>> YOU KNOW, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID IT WELL WHEN SHE DESCRIBED TRYING TO MAKE SERVICES THAT ARE CONSIDERED NECESSITY FOR EVERYBODY.

WHETHER IT'S ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, WHETHER IT'S ACCESS TO EDUCATION, WHETHER IT'S ACCESS TO BEING ABLE TO WORK FROM HOME.

THESE ARE ALL I THINK, SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDING TO BE DELIVERED TO ALL PEOPLE.

DIGITAL EQUITY STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MARGINALIZED.

COMMUNITIES AT THE EDGE OF THE NETWORK.

THE IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT THIS KIND OF MODEL IS THAT, IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THEM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, OF THE DESIGN OF YOUR DIGITAL EQUITY PROGRAM, YOU'RE ONLY PERPETUATING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE.

BECAUSE THE MARGINALIZED NOT GOING TO GET ON AND LEVERAGE THESE SERVICES UNLESS THERE IS SOME HELP TO GET THEM CONNECTED OR HAVE THE KIND OF RIGHT LET'S SAY, DIGITAL LITERACY OR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY.

STARTING AT THAT POINT AND BRINGING THEM ALONG, THEN I THINK THAT WILL HELP TO CONTRIBUTE AND PROVIDE PATH WAYS INTO THE DIGITAL ECONOMY.

WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THEM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OR ELSE WE'LL CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THE DIGITAL DIVIDE.

>>Daryl: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR LUKE, QUESTION FROM CALLER FROM KAILUA.

IS THERE A WAY FOR PUBLIC LIBRARIES TO OFFER TECHNOLOGY LITERALLY, LITERACY CLASSES, LIBRARIES WOULDN'T BE THE ONLY PLACE.

BUT THIS IDEA OF COMMUNITY CLASSES, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR COMMUNITIES LITERACY CLASSES?

THAT SORT OF THING.

>> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

IN FACT, DHHL, ONE OF THE PERCIPIENTS OF BROADBAND FUNDING, WORK ON A PLAN WORKING WITH THE LIBRARY SYSTEMS.

ONE IN PARTICULAR.

>> NANAKULI.

ABOUT NOT JUST HAVING DEVICES READY, BUT HAVING EDUCATION CLASSES, AND HAVING PEOPLE LIKE KAALA COME IN AND EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO USE THESE SERVICES.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE WHERE WE ARE IS INCREASING COMPETITION.

ALSO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE READY.

AND ABLE TO USE DEVICES.

HAVE DEVICES READY AND THAT'S WHY I THINK, FOR ALL OF US SITTING HERE, IT'S AN EXCITING TIME.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

>> I WOULD ALSO COMPLEMENT KAALA IN THAT SAME INITIATIVE.

BECAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO PUT IN A PROPOSAL TO CONGRESSMAN ED CASE WHICH RESULTED IN A COMMUNITY PROJECT FUND TO ACTUALLY DO EXACTLY THAT.

DO DIGITAL LITERACY IN THE LIBRARIES.

SO WE'RE CLOSELY FOLLOWING THAT PROJECT.

IT IS FUNDED.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE AGENCIES IN STATE OF HAWAII TO ADMINISTER IT.

SO THAT IS FUNDED AND IN PLAY.

AND WILL HELP TO GET MORE DIGITAL LITERACY IN THE LIBRARIES.

>>Daryl: WE'VE GOT ABOUT 3 MINUTES LEFT.

HOW FAST THIS HOUR WENT.

>> I WANTED TO GET COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

RAYMOND EMAIL SAYS, EVEN IF MORE NEIGHBORS GET HIGHER SPEED, INTERNET ACCESS, WHAT ABOUT INTERNET SECURITY?

RIGHT NOW, I'M PAYING MAYBE $100 A YEAR FOR WEB SECURITY.

YOU GIVE EVERYBODY HERE.

DOES THAT MAKE US ALL POTENTIALLY VICTIMS OR DOES HE NEED TO BE SPENDING $100 A YEAR FOR WEB SECURITY.

>> MAYBE.

MAYBE.

MAYBE NOT.

PART OF THE DIGITAL LITERACY EFFORT ALSO INCLUDES SECURITY.

THESE DAYS, YOU JUST HAVE TO.

IT'S VERY BIG DEAL.

IF FOLKS ARE NOT AWARE, THEY NEED TO BECOME AWARE.

STUFF LIKE CREDIT MONITORING.

STUFF LIKE WATCHING YOUR CREDIT RATING.

THOSE THINGS.

>>Daryl: PART OF THE LITERACY.

>> THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF LITERACY.

LIKE DRIVING A CAR.

NOT GOING TO DRIVE A CAR NOT KNOW RULES OF THE ROAD.

THIS IS CLEARLY ISSUE.

100 BUCKS A MONTH.

LITTLE BIT HIGH SIDE.

DEPENDS.

>>Daryl: A YEAR.

>> THAT'S NOT BAD.

>>Daryl: LAST QUESTION.

KIND OF BIG QUESTION.

WHY SPEND MONEY ON FIBER.

WHY NOT JUST PURCHASE SATELLITE FOR HAWAII IS EVERYBODY CAN HAVE INTERNET.

FROM KAILUA.

DIANE.

GOOD QUESTION.

BECAUSE I THINK I MEAN, IS TECHNOLOGY GOING TO ACTUALLY OVERCOME ALL OF THESE CONCERNS AND IMAGINE ELON MUSK PROVIDE US ALL THE INTERNET WE NEED FROM THE SKY AND GREAT PROVIDER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

>> KEEP IN MIND, PHYSICS INVOLVED.

YOU STILL HAVE TO TRANSMIT THE INTERNET SIGNAL.

SATELLITES HAS TO GO UP TO THESE SATELLITES.

COME BACK DOWN.

THERE IS A SPEED THAT IS A PART OF THATEQUATION.

SIGNALS SATELLITE SPEED OF LIGHT.

GOING TO FIBER CONNECTION TO THE WEST COAST, GOING 2,000‑MILES.

GEOSYNCHRONOUS SATELLITE.

22,000‑MILE.

>> THE ANSWER IS NO?

>> ANSWER IS BOTH.

TECHNOLOGY WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

CONTINUE TO GET BETTER JUST LIKE MAKING CHOICES DON'T PUT ALL OF YOUR MONEY ON ONE CHOICE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALTERNATIVES.

RIGHT NOW, FIBER SPEEDS ARE WAY BETTER.

THAT COULD, MIX COULD CHANGE.

BUT WE STILL THINK OVER TIME, IT WILL BE FIBER AS A BASE.

AND WIRELESS ON TOP OF IT.

>>Daryl: ESSENTIALLY NOT ONLY PRIORITIZE ALL THE DEMAND, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY ALL THESE PLACES, YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY, AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE EVERYBODY ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.

>> PERFECT.

>> YIKES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT, AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SYLVIA LUKE AND STATE BROADBAND COORDINATOR BURT LUM, GARRET YOSHIMI FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAI’I, AND DIGITAL EQUITY CONSULTANT KA’ALA SOUZA.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, IT’S A CRISIS THAT HAS NO SIMPLE SOLUTION.

WE WANT TO KNOW IF THE CURRENT PROGRAMS TO CURB HOMELESSNESS IN HAWAI’I ARE WORKING.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI’I.

ALOHA!