THURSDAY, JULY 8, 2021 INSIGHTS 7:38 - 9:00 pm THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IN, THEY WANT TO GET THIS ICONIC SHOP.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE STAY, AND TRADITIONALLY IT'S A BIG PLACE FOR HAWAI'I GRADUATES TO GO.

THEY HAVE THEIR SENIOR PICTURES TAKEN BY THEIR FAMILY.

IT'S A REAL GEM.

HUGE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE GOING THERE.

>> AS AN ADVOCATE OF SHORELINE ACCESS, AT ONE POINT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND WE'LL GET INTO THE HISTORY.

YOU FOLKS SUED.

IN EFFECT, THE CHAOS OUT THERE ALSO DENIES PEOPLE ACCESS TO THE SHORELINE IN HAWAI'I.

YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T GO BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE THERE.

>> IT DOES.

INITIALLY BACK IN 2015 WHEN JUDGE CHANG ENTERED THE INJUNCTION AND ASKED THE STATE TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS, WE OFFERED TO ENTER INTO A SETTLEMENT ALMOST IDENTICAL.

WE ALWAYS ASKED THAT THEY BE ARRANGED IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND COME OUT AND PARK BEHIND THEM ON THE CITY LAND, WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY THE PARK DEPARTMENT.

AND SO WE HOPE THIS SOLUTION WILL AT LEAST FIX THINGS AT LANIAKEA, BUT THIS PROBLEM IS NOT JUST AT LANIAKEA.

IT'S WORSE THERE BECAUSE OF THE TURTLES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SPOTS ALONG THE WAY.

CHUN'S REEF, ALLIGATORS, UPPERS.

PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH, AND THERE'S NO PARKING.

THE CITY HAS A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED PARK LAND THAT COULD BE USED FOR PARKING, BUT NOW THAT COVID HIT US IN THE POCKETBOOK, THAT'S GOING TO BE HARDER.

THERE IS LAND AVAILABLE TO DO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, IS MAKE A MORE UNDEVELOPED TYPE OF PARKING AREA FOR PEOPLE, AT LEAST TO GET THEM OFF THE HIGHWAY.

THE PROBLEM STILL IS MOST OF THOSE ARE OFF ON THE MAUKA SIDE.

>>Daryl: LET ME SHOW SOME PICTURES.

THE CURRENT SITUATION AT LANIAKEA, AND WE CAN -- I THINK I CAN SHOW VIEWERS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE.

THIS IS FROM THE MAUKA SIDE -- I MEAN MAKAI SIDE.

PEOPLE DARTING ACROSS.

GOING BETWEEN TRAFFIC.

THIS VIDEO WAS SHOT LAST WEEK.

THAT'S THE WIDER SHOULDER AREA THAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGED TO MOVE THE FENCE THAT WAS ON THE MAUKA SIDE BACK.

IT WAS 20 OR 30 FEET.

THERE'S ROOM TO MANEUVER VEHICLES ON THAT SIDE.

BUT PART OF THE DEAL, ED SNIFFEN, TRAFFIC BARRIERS TO REDUCE HOW CARS CAME IN AND LEFT.

AND GIVE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AREAS.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PART OF THE PLAN?

IT'S BEEN SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS SINCE THE CITY DID THIS.

ED?

>> SORRY.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.

>>Daryl: SORRY.

IT WAS A REALLY LONG QUESTION.

HOW COME YOU GUYS HAVEN'T PUT UP BARRIERS TO CONTROL THE WAY CARS GO IN?

THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GOT.

CROSSWALK ASKED FOR, FOR YEARS.

UNDER THE BRIDGE, AND THE LIFEGUARD STAND.

WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THAT?

FROM JERRY FROM HALEIWA.

>> UNDER THE BRIDGE THING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT WHERE IT'S GOING TO GET INUNDATED.

FOR THE CROSSWALK, IF WE PUT A CROSSWALK THERE WITH EVERYBODY PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE, NOBODY'S GOING TO USE IT.

THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHOULDERS, THERE'S NO PLACE TO DROP THAT.

THEY'RE GOING INTO BUSHES IN SOME AREAS AND ROCKY PORTIONS OUT THERE.

IT'S GOT TO BE A PLAN.

IT'S GOT TO BE DESIGNED.

BASED ON THE AGREEMENT, THE CITY TOOK THE LEAD ON DESIGNING THE PARKING ON THE MAUKA SIDE.

I WILL NOT SUPPORT PARKING FROM THE MAUKA SIDE.

LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

CITY IS GOING TO SET UP THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

CHANNELIZE THOSE PEDESTRIANS THROUGH.

WE'RE MORE ON THE REALIGNMENT.

THAT'S THE FOCUS WE HAVE.

>>Daryl: LET ME BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.

WHAT'S THE REASON THAT RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS SINCE THE CITY GAVE YOU THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE, THERE AREN'T BARRIERS TO CHANNEL PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T PENCIL OUT?

WHY ISN'T THAT OUT THERE NOW?

>> THE CITY IS DESIGNING THAT CONCEPT NOW BASED ON THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE COURTS AND THOSE THAT BROUGHT SUIT.

CITY TOOK THE LEAD ON DEVELOPING THAT ON THOSE LANDS.

STATE IS HERE TO MAKE SURE WE CONSULT WITH THEM, AND WE HELP THEM ON THE HIGHWAY SIDE.

AFTER THE SOLUTIONS ARE BROUGHT UP, WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND PUT THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE THAT CAN CHANNELIZE THOSE DRIVING IN THAT AREA AND THE PEDESTRIANS AND MAKE SURE WE CHANNELIZE THEM TOWARDS THE CROSSWALK.

>>Daryl: LAURA, HE'S TOSSED THE HOT POTATO TO YOU.

YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT SOME RISK.

>> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

THERE IS AN ELEVATION CHANGE IN THAT AREA WHERE -- AND SO OUR ENGINEERS HAVE JUST FORWARDED ME A PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING THAT WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

I'M GOING OUT THERE TOMORROW TO TAKE A LOOK MYSELF WITH THE STAFF IN THE AREA.

IF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WORK OUT, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION CAN PENCIL THE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

IF THAT'S A GO, WE'LL DO THAT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING PAVING OUT THERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE RUNOFF PROBLEMS BY ADDING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AN UNIMPROVED PARKING AREA.

MAYBE SOME GRAVEL AND MINOR THING THAT'S GOING TO HELP PEOPLE KEEP THEIR FOOTING.

WE DON'T WANT TO ADD TO THE RUNOFF.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING FANCY, BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WORKABLE.

>> IF I MAY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- LAURA, SORRY.

I WASN'T TRYING TO PUSH -- THIS IS NOT JUST THAT SIMPLE AS THROWING A BUNCH OF GRAVEL OUT THERE AND LETTING PEOPLE PARK.

THE CITY HAS TO TAKE A LOOK TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.

SAFE TO MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE ON THE INGRESS AND EGRESS SO IT'S SAFE TO ENTER AND EXIT THE HIGHWAY.

THOSE THINGS ARE GOING ON NOW.

>>Daryl: I -- >> LET ME JUST SAY, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS BEEN GOOD TO WORK WITH BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERS, WE DON'T KNOW THE INGRESS, EGRESS SAFETY FOR THE HIGHWAY.

IT HAS BEEN TWO AGENCIES -- OR THREE AGENCIES, CITY, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS PARK FOLKS WORKING WITH DOT.

AND AS ED SAID, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SAFE AREA FOR PEOPLE TO PARK IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TRIPPING AND FALLING.

WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE ELEVATION AND WHERE COULD WE CITE CARS IN THAT AREA WHERE THEY WOULD FIT, TO MEET THE NEED.

AND IT'S GOING TO RAISE THE PROBLEM IS, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE VOLUME OF CROWD COMING IN.

PEOPLE TEND TO PARK WHERE THEY WANT TO PARK.

>>Daryl: LET ME JUST CLARIFY FOR VIEWERS.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ELEVATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE LAND DROPS FOR A LITTLE BIT?

NEXT TO THE SHOULDER, MAYBE IT'S NOT LEVEL.

IF YOU PUT A BARRIER, YOU MIGHT PUT PEOPLE'S CARS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DIG A DEEPER GULLY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEDESTRIANS WALK OVER WHERE IT'S NOT FLAT.

YOU WANT TO GRADE IT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO GRADE IT AND PUT ASPHALT BECAUSE OF THOSE CONCERNS.

I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF BOTH OF THESE POINTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING.

HOW DOES IT FEEL AS A PERSON OUT THERE FIELDING THE PHONE CALLS EVERY DAY?

WHAT ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS SAYING ABOUT THIS SITUATION AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN?

>> THE COMMUNITY WANTS SOMETHING DONE, IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

THEY SAY, PLEASE GET US SOMETHING.

WE KNOW THERE HAS TO BE A SHORT-TERM IN TERM SOLUTION.

NOW ED AND LAURA ARE WORKING ON.

AND THERE'S GOT TO BE THAT STRONGER TERM SOLUTION TO GET THE TRAFFIC AROUND THE AREA.

SO IT FREES UP THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO GO THERE AND RESIDENTS.

A BYPASS ESSENTIALLY.

WHAT I GET FROM MOST PEOPLE, AT THIS POINT, PEOPLE ARE SO FRUSTRATED.

DO SOMETHING.

JUST DO SOMETHING.

WE CAN'T HANDLE IT ANYMORE.

IT'S DRIVING US CRAZY.

AS YOU HEARD FROM ED AND BILL TONIGHT, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.

SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS.

THEY ALL HAVE THEIR PROS AND CONS.

PANOS PREVEDOUROS, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, DID REALLY GOOD OPTIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN THAT AREA AND LISTED ALL THE PROS AND CONS.

THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT IN A DOCUMENT.

IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, THIS WILL WORK FOR THIS REASON OR NOT SO MUCH.

AT THIS POINT, EVERYONE'S SAYING, PLEASE GIVE US SOMETHING.

GIVE US RELIEF.

IT'S DRIVING US CRAZY.

>>Daryl: BILL SAUNDERS, AS THE ATTORNEY WHO MANAGED TO SUCCESSFULLY PUSH THIS INTO THE COURT, WHAT IS THE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT AROUND A PLACE LIKE THIS?

IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPLEX LAW THAT'S APPLIED, AND OBVIOUSLY THE JUDGE TRIED TO FORM A SOLUTION.

I THINK IT WAS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR?

WHEN DID YOU GET THE JUDGE'S ORDER THAT ESSENTIALLY SAID YOU GUYS GOT TO WORK THIS OUT AND YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SHORELINE?

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

WHAT WAS THE ARGUMENT YOU USED TO ENSURE THAT HAPPENED?

>> THE FIRST TIME.

THAT THE COURT ACTUALLY RULED ON A MOTION THAT SAID, REMOVE THE BARRIERS THAT WERE PUT IN WAS IN 2015 THAT WAS JUDGE GARY CHANG.

IT WAS IN THE SUMMER.

SO THEY WERE REMOVED.

THEY HAD SOME ANYONE ELSE SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DOING THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.

BUT THE REASON THAT THE JUDGE RULED THAT WAY, THERE'S HAWAI'I LAWS, COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT ACT WHICH TELLS ALL THE AGENCY OF THE STATE AND ITS BINDING ON THEM AS WELL AS THE CITY.

YOU GOT TO PROVIDE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY AROUND THE COASTLINE.

YOU CAN'T TAKE THEM AWAY UNLESS THEY'RE FOR AN EXTREMELY GOOD REASON.

THE RIGHTS OF THE HAWAIIAN PEOPLE -- HAWAIIAN RESIDENTS, BECAUSE I'M NOT A HAWAIIAN PEOPLE.

RIGHTS OF RESIDENTS TO USE THOSE FACILITIES AND RESOURCES ARE INGRAINED IN THE LAW.

THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT SAY, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO CLEAN ENVIRONMENT OR LONGSTANDING LAWS WILL BEACH ACCESS.

WHEN THOSE BARRIERS WENT UP, EVERYBODY LOST THEIR ABILITY TO PARK THERE.

APPROXIMATELY 50 CARS, AND HAD TO PARK IN MORE DANGEROUS AREAS ON HIGHWAY.

I THINK THE JUDGE WAS PARTICULARLY MOVED BY THE FACT THAT THE BARRIERS ACTUALLY CUT OFF THE CITY PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN CONDEMNED FOR A PARK BACK AROUND 2006.

I THINK THE CONDEMNATION WASN'T FINAL IN THE AROUND 2011 OR '12.

SAID STATE CAN'T CLOSE THE CITY PARK -- THERE'S CONTROVERSY AS TO WHETHER IT'S A PARK OR NOT.

WE BELIEVE IT'S A PARK, BASED ON WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS.

THE JUDGE AGREED WITH THE PRINCIPLE THAT PARK LAND THAT'S BEING USED CANNOT ARBITRARILY BE CLOSED OFF, THEREBY CUTTING OFF THE PUBLIC'S ACCESS.

>> ED, YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING THERE.

SORRY.

IT'S BEEN SO LONG.

WAS IT YOUR ADMINISTRATION THAT PUT THE BARRIERS DOWN?

DESCRIBE THESE BARRIERS, THEY WERE ALONG THE MAUKA SIDE OF THE ROADWAY SO THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET TO THAT IMPROMPTU PARKING AREA.

WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU DID BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE GOVERNMENT WILL JUST SAY, OH, YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE GOING THERE, BUT IT'S INCONVENIENT SO I'M GOING TO PUT UP BARRIERS.

WHAT WAS YOUR REASONING BEHIND THE BARRIERS, AND WERE YOU THINKING THAT WAS A STEP TOWARDS A LONGER SOLUTION?

HOW LONG WAS IT UP?

>> IT WAS DONE BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, AT LEAST 2013, BUT I SUPPORT IT.

WHEN WE -- THE REASON THEY WENT UP, THERE WAS A 2010 MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

REALIGNMENT TAKE THE ROADWAY MAUKA ABOUT 500 FEET OR SO IN THE LANIAKEA AREA TO CHUN'S REEF TO MAKE IT MORE RESILIENT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WORK TOWARDS THE REALIGNMENT, BUT WE GOT TO MAKE SURE RIGHT AWAY.

TRAFFIC IS TOO BAD.

CAN WE TRY SOMETHING?

TRY THE BARRIERS.

PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PUT THE BARRIERS IN PLACE, AND WHEN WE CAME IN, WE SUPPORT IT.

FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHAT USED TO TAKE ME 45 MINUTES TO COME THROUGH, TAKES ME TWO.

I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET.

>>Daryl: I GOT TO -- WE'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND I'VE GOT TO PLOW THROUGH A LOT.

I WANT TO RESPECT OUR VIEWERS WHO ARE ASKING MANY QUESTION.

A QUESTION FROM MILES.

CAN A CURRENT HIGHWAY BE USED FOR PARKING AND BUILD A NEW ROAD MORE MAUKA?

I THINK THAT'S WHAT DOT IS SAYING.

OTHER PANELISTS, DOES EVERYONE AGREE THAT'S THE SOLUTION?

GIVE ME A YES OR NO.

HIGHWAY'S GOT TO BE MOVED.

THAT'S THE BIG SOLUTION AND PUT PARTIAL AND SO ON ON THE DOING MAKAI SIDE?

LAURA THIELEN?

>> I THINK IT'S NOT AN OPTIMAL SOLUTION TO HAVE A BEACH PARK MAUKA OF A HIGHWAY.

THE HIGHWAY, IN MANY PLACES, GOING ON THAT SIDE OF THE COAST.

I THINK THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION IN A LOT OF THESE PLACES IS MOVE THE HIGHWAY INLAND.

PERHAPS WE CAN AT LEAST SOMETIME HAVE EACH PARK ACCESS ON THE BEACH SIDE.

CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO ANY TYPE OF BUILDING IN BEACH PARK AREA BECAUSE IT TENDS TO BE SPECIAL MANAGEMENT AREA, SHORELINE SETBACK, THINGS LIKE THAT.

GIVEN HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BUILD AND HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS.

ONE OF THE THINGS CHARGING OUR DEPARTMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, IS THERE A CERTAIN TYPE OF INNOVATIVE DESIGN WE CAN DO THAT'S NOT A PERMANENT CONCRETE STRUCTURE THAT CAN MOVE.

HAS EROSION, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT ARE MORE OFF-GRID, MORE CONTEMPORARY, FASTER TO PUT IN PLACE.

GIVEN SEA CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THOSE EVENTS HAPPEN.

WHAT WE SEE GO INTO PLACE ON THE MAKAI SIDE IS NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE TRADITIONAL PARKS WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW.

>>Daryl: LET ME -- ED SNIFFEN, WHAT'S THE TIME LINE FOR REALIGNING THAT ROAD?

WOULD IT BE REALISTIC TO MOVE THAT PORTION OR MAKE A BYPASS?

REALIGNMENT IS A LOT OF HIGHWAY.

>> EXACTLY.

ORIGINAL HIGHWAY, 500 EXISTING ROAD.

TIME LINE REALISTIC, 15 YEARS.

$75 MILLION BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCES BECAUSE OF ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SITES OUT THERE.

WE ADJUST TO A SMALLER REALIGNMENT THAT WILL MOVE THE HIGHWAY 50 PEOPLE.

WILL ALLOW MORE PARKING ON THE MAKAI SIDE AND GET OUT OF THIS MESS.

GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR OUR ROADWAY TO BE A LITTLE MORE RESILIENT.

PROBABLY WILL GIVE US ANOTHER 40 YEARS BEFORE EROSION STARTS HITTING THAT HIGHWAY.

IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE CAN WORK FORWARD ON THE LARGER REALIGNMENT.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

>>Daryl: HOW LONG DO YOU THINK BEFORE YOU CAN DO THIS 50-FOOT SOLUTION?

>> THIS NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUBLISHING THE DRAFT E.A.

SO THE PUBLIC CAN START LOOKING OUT FOR IT.

IF THEY SUPPORT IT, PUT IN COMMENTS TO SUPPORT IT.

WE HOPE TO FOR THAT E.A.

PROCESS BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AND GET THIS OFF TO BID BY SUMMER NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

PROJECT WILL TAKE ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT.

>>Daryl: KATHLEEN PAHINUI, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A CONSENSUS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER?

>> I CAN'T SPECULATE ON THAT, DARYL.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT WILL COME BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD WILL GET THE PRESENTATION AND WILL TAKE COMMUNITY INPUT AND THE BOARD WILL TAKING A POSITION.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

COUPLE OTHER SUGGESTIONS COMING IN FOR IMMEDIATE ISSUES.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO THROW IN A COUPLE VOTES FOR PEOPLE SAYING, QUIT BEATING UP ON THE TOURISTS.

IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

AT LEAST WE HAVE BUSINESS.

WE NEED TOURISTS TO PAY FOR UPKEEP.

I'M ASTOUNDED HOW MANY QUESTIONS ARE.

AND I THINK THE ENTIRE NORTH SHORE COMMUNITY IS WATCHING.

>> WE SHARE.

>>Daryl: THANKS A LOT.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S GOOD.

SO ANOTHER PERSON SAYS, FROM PUPUKEA.

JAYWALKING IS AGAINST THE LAW.

THEY SHOULD BE TICKETED.

SURFERS SHOULD SURF TO THE BREAKS.

DON'T BE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

WHAT ABOUT STRAIGHTFORWARD?

PUT POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE?

PUT HUMAN BEINGS OUT THERE.

LAURA, THAT WOULD BE A CITY FUNCTION.

PERHAPS ED.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE?

IT'S A DANGEROUS AND FRUSTRATING SITUATION?

>> I RAN INTO THIS PROBLEM A LOT WHEN I WAS AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

LAW ENFORCEMENT, A LOT OF TIMES, IF RESIDENTS ARE DEALING -- YOU'RE DEALING WITH RESIDENTS.

THEY LEARN THAT SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN AREA THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY TOURISTS, THEY'RE IN THAT AREA ONCE AND THEY GO AWAY.

NEXT DAY, IT IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE COMING THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY GO AWAY.

YOU CAN BE THERE DAY AFTER DAY, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON BEHAVIOR.

SO WE WOULD HAVE A VERY BUSY PERSON ISSUING AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE.

WHEN THOSE PEOPLE GO AWAY, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE DETERRING THEM FROM DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S A NEW SET.

HOW DO WE DEAL WITH AN INDUSTRY SERVICING PEOPLE, AND MAYBE WE CAN EDUCATE AND WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS.

WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH FOLKS COMING OUT IN RENTAL CARS AND THEY'RE PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TROT ACROSS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO PAY FOR TICKETS.

PEOPLE PARKING AND HIKING ILLEGALLY.

THAT'S THE COST OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT DAY.

>>Daryl: I WANT TO GET THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AS BEST I CAN.

ONE PERSON MAKES THIS SUGGESTION.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER PLACES.

HOW ABOUT A FREE SHUTTLE FROM HALEIWA TO NORTH SHORE BEACHES?

MAKE IT SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE OR RENT A CAR TO SOME OF THESE PLACES?

IS THAT A WORKABLE SOLUTION?

THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT REPLACE THE BAZILLION RENTAL CARS.

>> BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WE HAVE PUBLIC ROADWAYS.

BY DEFINITION, THEY'RE OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

I CANNOT RESTRICT.

UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION TO ANYBODY.

WE HAVE TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SET UP SHUTTLES.

DLNR HAD IT AT THEIR PARK.

DIFFICULTY IS THAT'S ONE DESTINATION ON THAT ROUTE.

WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE NORTH SHORE, LANIAKEA AREA, CHUN'S AND EVERYTHING, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE DESTINATION SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO SET UP THAT SERVICE.

DIFFICULTY IS WE CANNOT RESTRICT EVERYBODY TO IT.

WE CANNOT TELL THEM, YOU MUST PARK HERE AND TAKE THE SHUTTLE OR YOU -- >>Daryl: GO AHEAD, BILL.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LEGISLATIVE CHANGE.

>> BILL, EVEN IF THE LEGISLATURE PUT IT IN, WE GOT TO LOOK AT IMPACTS TO FUNDING.

FEDERAL FUNDING WENT INTO THAT.

WE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE PAY IT BACK FIRST.

THAT LITTLE COMPLEXITY.

>>Daryl: LAURA, I GOT A QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.

THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE TURTLES THEMSELVES.

PROBLEMS WITH TURTLES.

IF THE TURTLES COME ASHORE TO BASK WERE HUMANELY MOVED, MONK SEALS ARE MOVED.

WHY NOT TURTLE?

>> WE SEEM TO LOSE YOU WHEN YOU GET YOUR VIDEO ON.

>>Daryl: REALLY?

IF THE TECH GUYS CANNOT PUT MY VIDEO, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

>> NOW WE CAN.

>>Daryl: THIS ZOOM THING IS PROBLEMATIC, AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM BUT AMAZING WHAT WE CAN DO.

I WAS READING A QUESTION.

WHY DON'T WE MOVE THE TURTLES INSTEAD OF IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GREAT DEAL FOR THEM TO HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE HANGING AROUND.

>> NO.

AGAIN FROM MY TIME WITH DLNR, A LOT OF ANIMALS, THEY GO TO THE BEACHES WHERE THEY WERE BORN OR WHERE THEY MIGRATE ROUTINELY.

WE HAD THIS PROBLEM WITH NENE BY THE AIRPORT.

THEY RELOCATE AND FLY BACK.

TURTLES WILL SWIM BACK.

MONK SEALS WILL GO TO CERTAIN BEACHES OVER AND OVER.

BELLOWS CAMPGROUND WAS CLOSED DOWN THIS SUMMER DURING COVID WHEN THERE WAS NO CAMPING, SEA TURTLES WERE NESTING.

THOSE BABIES THAT WERE BORN THERE GO BACK AND HAVE THEIR BABIES.

YOU CAN MOVE THEM, BUT ANIMALS HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF DIRECTION AND THEY FIND THEIR WAY BACK.

>>Daryl: GOOD POINT, AND I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE.

ALSO, A SUGGESTION, EXTEND THE DISTANCE ALLOWED BETWEEN TURTLE AND PEOPLE.

WHAT ABOUT WHAT THEY DID AT BELLOWS?

THEY CLOSED THE CAMPGROUND, BUT PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED ACCESS TO SHORELINE.

HOW ABOUT BANNING PEOPLE FROM THAT BEACH?

CAN THAT BE DONE?

BILL'S LIKE, CAN'T DO THAT.

WHAT ABOUT FINDING SOME WAY TO REDUCE ACCESS TO THE BEACH ITSELF?

>> THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY REDUCE ACCESS.

AND COMMUNITIES ARE EXPRESSING INTEREST.

WHAT DNLR DID AT HAENA IS A GREAT EXAMPLE WITH HANAUMA BAY.

THE CITY, WE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN COME IN THERE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH A RESOLUTION SYSTEM.

A LOT OF THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THERE'S A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY THAT YOU CAN MANAGE HOW PEOPLE CAN GET IN.

AS ED'S POINTED OUT, IT'S A PUBLIC HIGHWAY.

RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.

IT'S A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AREA TO MANAGE.

WE SUPPORT THE IDEAS AND AREAS WHERE WE CAN MANAGE TO GO AHEAD AND START DOING THAT.

IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY AND STATE TO START TO BE MUCH MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT.

AND IN AREAS WHERE WE CAN'T MANAGE, TRY AND COME UP WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

TO MAKE MORE ORDERLY AND THEN WHERE YOU CAN, MAYBE JUST REMOVING SOME ENTICEMENTS TO BRING PEOPLE LIKE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

>>Daryl: BILL SAUNDERS, AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO REDUCE ACCESS TO ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE AND NOT OTHER.

WOULD THERE BE LEGAL ISSUES IF THEY SAID, THAT IS A NO HUMAN BEACH?

>> THERE WOULD BE LEGAL ISSUES.

WHAT YOU CAN MAKE PORTIONS OF IT NONHUMAN AND JUSTIFY IT WITH ENDANGERED SPECIES PROTECTION.

THOSE TURTLES DON'T GO EVERYWHERE.

THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH IN THAT ONE LITTLE CORNER.

OUR CONCERN IS PEOPLE CAN CROSS THE BEACH AND ACCESS THE OCEAN?

IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CROSS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR PERMANENTLY BECAUSE IT'S A TURTLE BREEDING AREA, WE ACCEPT THAT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PARK.

FOR FISHING, KAYAKING, WHATEVER THE ACTIVITY.

>>Daryl: KATHLEEN PAHINUI, AN INTERESTING QUESTION FROM BELL FROM E-MAIL.

SEEMS LIKE EVERY DECISION MADE IS IN SUPPORT OF TOURIST AND NOT THE AINA.

PEOPLE DISREGARD THE COMMUNITY WE CALL HOME.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROTECTING THE TURTLES MORE AGGRESSIVELY, BUT ALSO WHAT'S THE PUSH AND PULL BACK THERE?

A LOT OF NORTH SHORE BUSINESSES DO RELY ON TOURISTS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS WITH THEIR CARS AND COME OUT ON THEIR OWN TIME AND ACCESS THE BUSINESSES AND STUFF THERE.

IS THERE A PUSH AND PULL POLITICALLY BETWEEN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WANTING TO GET THE TOURISTS THERE AND COMMUNITY FEELING WE'RE OVERWHELM AND THIS HAS GOT TO STOP?

IS THAT A DIFFICULT, POLITICAL BALANCE TO GO ON?

>> I'M SURE IT IS.

MOST OF THE INPUT I GET FROM PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS SAID, WE'RE FED UP.

WE SAW WHAT IT COULD BE LIKE WITH COVID.

BACK IN THE MID 2000, WE WERE AVERAGING 5, $6 MILLION A YEAR.

BUSINESSES WERE DOING WELL.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYBODY SAID, WE NEED MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

MY PERSONAL FEELING IS WE HAVE REACHED OUR TIPPING POINT.

MALCOLM GLADWELL WAS RIGHT.

WE HAVE GONE OFF THE CLIFF.

I THINK IN MOST OF OUR OPINIONS, IT'S CRAZY.

THE STATE AND CITY AND COMMUNITY ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THIS.

WE GOT TO START MANAGING AS A DESTINATION, AND BILL'S MADE AND LAURA MADE EXCELLENT POINTS.

WE GOT TO START NOW.

I'M PERSONALLY WORRIED FROM THE ANGER.

IT'S NOT JUST NORTH SHORE.

ISLANDWIDE I HEAR THIS.

OF THE ANGER OF PEOPLE.

PEOPLE ARE SO FRUSTRATED THEY CAN'T GET TO THE GROCERY STORE.

THEY CAN'T GET TO THEIR DENTIST'S APPOINTMENT.

IT IS NEGATIVELY AFFECTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

I WILL NOT GO TO HALEIWA ON THE WEEKEND.

I GO TO THE NORTH SHORE.

IT'S SAD.

WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON THE CARRYING CAPACITY FOR THIS ISLAND AND FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

PERFECTLY FOR ME, FOR THIS ISLAND.

WE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.

WE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT QUICK BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO DROWN OURSELVES.

THE VISITOR, DISSATISFACTION IS GOING DOWN.

THAT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

>>Daryl: THAT IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE THE CITY AND STATE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, ALONG WITH COMMUNICATION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING.

IT BRINGS TOGETHER ALL THESE CHALLENGES THAT IS STATEWIDE.

CALLER SAID CITY AND STATE HAS TO STOP POINTING FINGERS AT EACH OTHER.

FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, ED SNIFFEN AND LAURA THIELEN ARE WORKING TOGETHER.

HAS THAT BEEN AN ISSUE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE TOSSING THE POTATO BACK AND FORTH?

LAURA, YOU HAD BEEN IN A GOOD POSITION, BEING A STATE OFFICIAL, STATE SENATOR THAT HAS LARGE TOURISM IMPACT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN THE ABILITY OF GOVERNMENT TO WORK TOGETHER ON ISSUES LIKE THIS, AND ARE YOU HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER?

>> WELL, I'M ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC.

I WOULDN'T BE IN LINE OF WORK IF I WASN'T.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR GOVERNMENT TO WORK TOGETHER.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CITY DEPARTMENTS OR BETWEEN THE CITY OR STATE.

IT'S GOVERNMENT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CHANGE THE CULTURE WITHIN GOVERNMENT.

I KNOW BECAUSE I WORKED WITH GOVERNMENTS IN A WHILE.

THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE.

IT'S ALMOST A RELIEF FOR STAFF TO SAY IT'S NOT MY KULEANA.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS ALL OUR KULEANA.

GOVERNMENT HAS TO WORK TOGETHER AND TAKE OWNERSHIP OF WHAT WE CAN DO AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.

I THINK TOURISM -- I GREW UP IN KAILUA.

THAT PLACE IS SO CHANGED OVER MY LIFETIME.

KATHLEEN'S RIGHT.

WE EARNED MORE MONEY FROM 6 MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR BACK IN 1989 THAN WE DID FROM TEN MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR IN 2018.

I THINK WHEN WE GOT UP TO 10.5 MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR, WE STARTED TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY FROM BACK IN 1989.

BUT THE IMPACTS ARE HUGE.

WE HAD I THINK ABOUT A 12 OR 14-YEAR PERIOD WHERE WE BOUNCED BETWEEN 6 OR 7 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR.

BUT WHEN THE INTERNET HIT, AND WE HAD AIRBNB, HOTEL ROOMS WITH NO CAP.

WE JUST SHOT UP FROM 7 MILLION TO 10.5 MILLION PEOPLE.

WHAT'S FRIGHTENING ABOUT THE VACATION RENTALS IS THERE IS NO CAP.

THERE'S POTENTIALLY YOU COULD GO UP TO 20 MILLION IF YOU DO NOT GET A HANDLE ON THAT.

THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY, TO THEIR CREDIT, TRYING VERY HARD TO MANAGE THAT.

WHEN I WAS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WE HAD A LOT OF FIGHTS TRYING TO GET BILLS FOR THE STATE TO GIVE THE COUNTIES AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THE PLATFORMS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN RELUCTANT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

MAYBE THIS YEAR, SOME HAVE COME THROUGH THAT CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THAT.

>>Daryl: ED SNIFFEN, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OVER-TOURISM HERE.

IS THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM A WAY OF THROTTLING BACK THE TOURISM?

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF RENT A CARS PARKED AT ALOHA STADIUM, AND NOW THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY A SHORTAGE BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY.

COULD WE SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PERMIT X NUMBER OF RENTAL CARS OR NOT LET YOU HAVE THIS MANY PARKING SPACES FOR YOUR HOTEL?

ARE THERE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE FROM A TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONTROL THE NUMBER OF TOURISTS DRIVING IN INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES?

>> YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE EFFORTS ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE.

WE HAVE IT ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE.

WHAT LAURA AND KATHLEEN WERE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT.

HOTELS ARE THE LIMITER.

NOW THAT THOSE ARE NO LONGER THE LIMITER FOR THE TOURISTS COMING IN, IT COULD BE INCREASED TO AN INFINITE LEVEL.

GOING AFTER -- THAT LOOK LIKE ILLEGAL RENTALS.

ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, WHETHER YOU ARE A TOURIST OR RESIDENT, OLD OR YOUNG, DOESN'T MATTER.

WE GOT TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE IN THE SYSTEM.

>>Daryl: FOR EXAMPLE, STATE LEGISLATURE INCREASED RENTAL CAR TAX TO I THINK $10 A DAY, WAS IT, THIS YEAR?

GO AHEAD?

WHAT IS IT?

>> $8.

>>Daryl: UP TO $8?

>> YES.

>>Daryl: WHY ISN'T IT 60?

>> SO DIFFICULTY IS WHEN LEGISLATORS ARE PASSING BILLS, AND I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY FOR THEM.

THERE'S CONSTITUENCY TO TRY AND SEE HOW THEY CAN BREAK THOSE TIES.

THEY'S US ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR DIFFERENT EFFORTS.

COMMUNITY ASKING FOR THEM TO PRICE THE TOURISTS OUT OF THE MARKET.

THERE'S THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ASKING, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN OPERATE.

EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WAS DURING COVID TO HAVE 45% LESS TRAFFIC, TO HAVE NO TOURISTS HERE.

WE HAD OVER 30% UNEMPLOYMENT.

THAT WASN'T GREAT.

THAT WASN'T A GREAT TIME FOR OUR STATE.

FOR PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE BILLS AND RENT.

THERE'S GOT TO BE THAT BALANCE THAT WE PLAY, AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY.

TO ME, ATTACKING THOSE ILLEGAL RENTALS FIRST AND TAKING STEPS TO ENFORCE ARE BIG WAYS TO DO IT.

ON TRANSPORTATION SIDE, INCREASE SPEED.

LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS INCREASE SPEED FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE AND MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO LIVE HERE.

>>Daryl: I SAW KATHLEEN LAUGHING WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND WHEN YOU HEARD THAT QUESTION?

>> REPEAT THE QUESTION?

>>Daryl: I SAID, WHY NOT MAKE THE FEE FOR DAILY RENTAL CARS $60 INSTEAD OF $8?

>> FEES AND TAXES ARE A LIMITER, AS WELL AS VACATION RENTALS.

COUNTIES WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT THEMSELVES UP TO 3%.

THERE'S THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THAT GETS SPREAD ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS.

WE NOTE NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC, BUT FOR THE NORTH SHORE, VACATION RENTAL HAS BEEN -- I LIVE IN A VERY MODEST COMMUNITY IN WAIALUA, AND I KNOW I HAVE VACATION RENTALS HERE.

I'VE LIVED NEXT TO TWO VACATION RENTALS, AND IT WAS NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE.

AND IT'S ROUGH.

IT'S ROUGH WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING AND DO YOUR DAILY STUFF AND RAISE YOUR KIDS AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE PARTYING NEXT DOOR.

LIMITING AND MAKING THEM LESS ATTRACTIVE, AS ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS SAID TODAY.

HOTELS NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING TO VACATION RENTALS?

YOU GOT A BIG ROOM, YOU GOT TO RENT FOUR ROOMS, AND THEY DON'T GIVE YOU A BREAK.

THEY CHARGE THE SAME FOR EACH OF THE ROOMS.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT OLD HOTEL MODEL.

THEY WANT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

AND THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE VACATION RENTALS GET.

>>Daryl: BACK TO LANIAKEA FOR A MOMENT.

A COUPLE OF CALLERS CALLED IN.

DAVE FROM MAKAKILO.

I KNOW A DAVE IN MAKAKILO.

DONNA ALSO.

START ENFORCING LAWS.

TICKET PEOPLE JAYWALKING.

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE.

ANOTHER SAYS TOW THE CAR.

THIS WILL HELP IN SHORT TERM.

TOW CARS.

DO YOU THINK, ED, THAT WOULD BE A SOLUTION?

FOR A WHILE, YOU HAD NO PARKING SIGNS.

>> POLICE WOULDN'T ENFORCE BECAUSE OF COURT RULING.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WENT.

REALITY NOW IS THERE'S NOTHING TO ENFORCE.

PARKING IS ALLOWED ON THAT UPPER SIDE.

IT'S JUST THE JAYWALKING.

WE DON'T HAVE POLICE RESOURCES OR SHERIFFS.

HPD IS LIMITED ON RESOURCES, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THEM.

I CANNOT -- FOR THEM ON WHY THEY CANNOT BE THERE.

I DO KNOW RESOURCES ARE LIMITED.

>> WE'VE HAD AN IDEA THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT OR IMPLEMENTED.

IT'S NOT THAT WE NEED POLICE OFFICERS TO TICKET PEOPLE.

WE NEED SOMEONE OUT THERE TO DIRECT PEOPLE.

TO GIVE THEM SAFE INSTRUCTIONS ON WHEN AND HOW TO CROSS THE FREEWAY OR HIGHWAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE -- WHICH WILL PAY FOR THAT.

IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO PAY SOMEONE TO DO THAT THAN IT WILL TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A REALIGNMENT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE REALIGNMENT IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE NEED ANOTHER SOLUTION.

AND CROSSING GUARDS, WE DO IT FOR SCHOOLS, WE DO IT FOR OTHER PLACES.

IF PEOPLE ARE TOLD TO CROSS IN ONE PLACE, THEY MAY NOT DO IT.

BUT WHEN BARRIERS ARE UP AND MAY HAVE SOMEONE TO SAY CROSS HERE WHEN IT'S SAFE.

NOT SCATTERBRAIN.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

NO ONE CROSSES IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.

WE CAN DO THAT, IT WILL MAKE THINGS BETTER.

ALONG WITH THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION WE'RE ALL WORKING ON.

WE'LL MEET WITH A JUDGE NEXT WEEK.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK QUESTIONS.

IT'S NOT JUST PARK.

DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING.

>>Daryl: LAURA, WERE YOU TRYING TO CHIP IN THERE?

>> NO.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

>> I THINK, THOUGH, THE MESSAGE THAT I WOULD WANT THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR TONIGHT IS THE CITY HAS THE TENTATIVE DRAWING FOR THE PARKING AREA.

I'M GOING TO GO OUT THERE TOMORROW TO TAKE A LOOK WITH OUR STAFF.

DOUBLE-CHECK SOME THINGS.

WE WILL SHARE IT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

ED IS COMMITTED TO HELP US IN IDENTIFYING WHERE IT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE INGRESS, EGRESS.

WHICH SHOULD HELP PREVENT, THAT SHOULD STOP CARS FROM COMING IN AND OUT THE ENTIRE STRETCH OF THE HIGHWAY.

THAT SHOULD HELP CREATE THINGS BE MORE ORDERLY.

MANY PEOPLE WHO WALK TO THAT ENTRY POINT AT THE GUARDRAIL TO CROSS THE STREET, MANY WILL JUST WALK ACROSS.

BUT IT SHOULD REDUCE TREMENDOUSLY THE PROBLEMS ON THAT MAUKA SIDE.

SOME OF THE TAPE YOU SHOWED, SOME PEOPLE PARKING ON THE MAKAI SIDE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY, BUT IT SHOULD REDUCE IT TREMENDOUSLY.

>>Daryl: BILL'S SUGGESTION IS SOMETHING ECHOED BY ANOTHER CALLER.

YOU DON'T NEED POLICE THERE.

THIS IS NOT THE LAST BEACH.

THERE'S NO PARTIAL HERE, BUT THERE'S A GREAT BEACH DOWN THE WAY.

I'M REMINDED OF THE ALOHA AMBASSADORS IN WAIKIKI.

FEES PAID BY WAIKIKI BUSINESSES.

THERE'S A NUMBER, AND THEY DO ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

KATHLEEN, IS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

INFORMAL GROUPS OF PEOPLE OR ORGANIZATION THAT COULD TAKING OVER THAT ON THE NORTH SHORE?

>> GREAT POINT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DO IT.

IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AT LEAST A HUNDRED TIMES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE LEADERSHIP ROLE AND THEY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT.

VOLUNTEER WOULD BE GREAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING FOR IT, RIGHT, BILL?

LIKE THE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM.

BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO STEP UP AND SAY, I WILL TAKE CHARGE AND HELP GET THIS ORGANIZED.

I WILL GET PEOPLE TRAINED LIKE CROSSING GUARDS.

WHEN THEY HAVE CITIZENS GIVE OUT HANDICAP TICKETS, THERE'S AS TRAINING PROGRAM.

NOBODY HAS STEPPED FORWARD AND SAID, COUNT ON ME.

I'M HERE TO IMPLEMENTING.

MAYBE SOMEONE WILL SAY, NOW IS THE TIME FOR A BUNCH OF US TO COME TOGETHER.

MAYBE THAT CAN BE TIED IN WITH THE TURTLES.

TURTLES ARE HARASSED THERE.

>>Daryl: LET ME INTERRUPT AND CLEAR UP.

ED, WE'RE HEARING FROM CYNTHIA.

DRAWINGS ARE COMING BUT YOU MIGHT MOVE THE HIGHWAY.

GIVE ME ONE, TWO, THREE.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

WHEN IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN?

YOU PROBABLY GOT A MINUTE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

>> CITY IS GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THEIR SOLUTION.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ASSISTING THEM WITH THAT.

END OF NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECT TO MOVE -- IT'S THE RESILIENCE THING TO PRESERVE THAT CONNECTIVITY.

WHEN THAT COMES, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PART OF THE PARKING LOT THAT CITY BUILDS.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEAR AND A HALF TO BUILD THAT.

>>Daryl: BIG REALIGNMENT, YOU'RE SAYING, IS AT LEAST 15 YEARS.

>> AT LEAST.

COST AND DIFFICULTIES AT LEAST 15 YEARS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS -- ED SNIFFEN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR HIGHWAYS FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, LAURA THIELEN, DIRECTOR OF THE HONOLULU DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, NORTH SHORE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD CHAIR KATHLEEN PAHINUI, AND ATTORNEY BILL SAUNDERS.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, HAWAI'I IS KNOWN AS A MELTING POT OF CULTURES, BUT MANY IN THE MICRONESIAN COMMUNITY FEEL DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.

SO WHAT CAN BE DONE TO RESOLVE THE ETHNIC TENSION?

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I.

ALOHA!