..

SIMILAR KINDS OF CRIMES IN THE PAST.

WHEN YOU BRING UP CRIME AGAINST THE ELDERLY, HAS THAT IN PARTICULAR INCREASED?

CERTAINLY GETS A LOT OF COVERAGE.

GOT TO SAY.

A LOT OF VIDEO OUT THERE.

ARE OLDER PEOPLE BEING TARGETED?

>> I THINK THEY'RE BEING TARGETED FOR ANYTHING WITH A SCAMS THAT GO ALONG WITH A PANDEMIC.

PEOPLE ARE AT HOME MORE.

GOING TO BE ANSWERING THE PHONE MORE.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

ONE OF THE, I THINK SINCE THE BILL PASSED JULY 1, WE HAVE HAD OR ENACTED, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES THAT WE ARE RECLASSIFYING.

THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE BECAUSE IF AN ADULT MALE LIVES AT HOME, AND ASSAULTS HIS FATHER, PUTS THAT FATHER IN A REALLY TOUGH POSITION IF I HAVE TO TESTIFY, WORRIED ABOUT GETTING KICKED OUT OF HOUSE.

WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP GOING TO BE?

MAY BE FINANCIAL CRUTCH THERE.

IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE DO THOSE CASES.

I THINK HPD OPENED UP A CYBER CRIME UNIT WITH THREE DETECTIVES.

INCREASE WHITE COLLAR UNIT TO TRY TO HANDLE THAT.

ELDERLY ARE A BIG TARGET.

>>Daryl: LET ME GIVE THE CHIEF A CHANCE HERE.

TALKING ABOUT PERCEPTION.

GIVE US LAY OUT WHAT YOU SEE HAPPENING.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THEIR DEMANDS AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND THEIR FRUSTRATIONS WITH CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

>> THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT CRIME IS ON THE RISE.

OUR STATS DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

LOOK AT THE NUMBERS BASED ON INCIDENTS REPORTED TO US.

2020 LIKE MENTION MIKE MENTIONED, ANOMALY.

LESS PEOPLE GOING OUT, MORE PEOPLE STAYING HOME, CRIME WENT DOWN.

FROM 2019 TO 20.

NOT HARDER BURGLARIZE SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CRIMES THAT WERE OCCURRING AND NUMBERS THAT OF THE CRIMES THAT WERE OCCURRING WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO LAST YEAR, OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A LOT HARDER.

A LOT OF THINGS CONTRIBUTING TO CRIME, LOOK AT THINGS ACROSS THE NATION, DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING, AND OF COURSE WHEN THINGS HAPPEN HERE AND THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU THINK, WOW, CRIME IS JUST OUT OF CONTROL.

REALLY, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

>>Daryl: MICHAEL, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY SEEING IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BEING REPORTED TO YOUR SITE?

TELL ME A LITTLE BIT HOW YOUR SITE WORKS.

WHETHER THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, CAN WE TAKE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION OUT OF YOUR SITE, OR IS IT KIND OF JUST DEPENDS WHOSE GOT VIDEO.

>> KIND OF THE HART IS MORE THE WAY OUR GROUP WORKS.

OURS PERCEPTION SORT OF THING.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AT THE MOMENT.

PEOPLE CAN COME TO US IN TIME OF NPDES POST ABOUT IT.

THAT'S HOW OUR GROUP WORKS.

BEEN ROBBED, CAR STOLEN COME TO OUR GROUP AND POST ABOUT IT.

FIND PERPETRATOR STOLEN ITEMS.

I WANT TO JUST GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, THE CHIEF, WHICH IS THAT I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA HAS HAD A HUGE EFFECT IN THE PRESENCE AND PERCEPTION OF CRIME IN OUR COMMUNITY.

STARTED OFF WRITTEN WORD, TV, RADIO, INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA, EXPANDS ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL.

WE CAN GET MESSAGES ACROSS IN AN INSTANT.

>>Daryl: GOOD AT BEING TRUTH?

PRESENTING TRUTH?

>> THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS A DOUBLE HEAD SWORD.

CAN BE VERY POSITIVE AND HELP SPREAD INFORMATION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE TRY SO HARD TO REGULATE INFORMATION THAT GETS POSTED IN OUR GROUP.

I WILL SAY, WHEN YOU HAVE A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE COMING TO SPECIFIC SPOT AND SHARING THEIR STORY, YOU SEE THOSE REPEAT OF ALL DIFFERENT TYPE, BURGLARY ROBBERIESES CAR THEFTS, STOLEN PROPERTY, ASSAULT, IT DOES INCREASE THAT PERCEPTION.

GIVES YOU FEELING.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GAUGE.

WE'RE NOT ‑‑ GROUP.

HAVING FINGER ON THE PULSE.

>>Daryl: CARROLL, WHEN YOU HEAR THE CHIEF SAY IT'S DOWN, OR IS NOT AS BAD BECAUSE OF THERE WAS A LULL AND CAME BACK, IS THAT YOUR PERCEPTION AS WELL?

OR DO YOU THINK ACTUALLY IN IT YOUR DISTRICTS, THERE'S GEOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCE ACROSS ISLAND, CHIEF IS, WORKING FROM ISLANDWIDE STATISTICS.

DO YOU THINK IN YOUR AREA, BASICALLY, URBAN HONOLULU, THERE'S BEEN MORE PROBLEMS THAN SAY 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO?

>> NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE VOCAL.

IN ADDITION TO SOCIAL MEDIA, PLATFORMS LIKE NEXTDOOR, PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY POSTING ABOUT EITHER SUSPICIOUS LOOK INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE WHO APPEAR TO BE CASING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO ALERT EACH OTHER.

SO WE'VE ALSO TRIED TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CONCERNED TO CONSIDER SETTING UP NEIGHBORHOOD SECURITY WATCH OR CRIME PATROL TYPE GROUPS BECAUSE THEN AT LEAST, PLUGGED IN DETECTIVELY WITH ‑‑ DIRECTLY WITH HPD.

MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SHARE INFORMATION AND KNOW THE INFORMATION IS GOING SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>>Daryl: ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CRIME IS DOWN.

LAST 25 YEARS.

BUT LIKE YOU SAID, ISLANDWIDE, THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN.

BUT CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP.

IF YOU LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, CRIME IS NOT DOWN.

IF YOU'RE THE VICTIM A CRIME, CERTAINLY NOT DOWN.

BUT I GOT TO SAY, STOLEN STUFF HAWAII PLAYED A ROLE IN A CASE THAT IS GOING TO START IN A FEW DAYS.

I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER.

THAT CAN GET THE WORD OUT.

HPD CAN SEE STUFF.

OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE STUFF.

SO THAT CAN BE VERY HELPFUL.

WE GOT TO WORK TOGETHER LIKE WE'RE STARTING WEED AND SEED PROGRAM.

WORKED WITH COUNCILMEMBER FUKUNAGA AND OTHER ISSUES.

WE GOT TO WORK TOGETHER AND FOCUS GOING AFTER THE CRIME WHERE IT IS.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN ON THE PERCEPTION AND EVEN ON THE WORK YOU GUYS DO?

>> THINK SOCIAL MEDIA HAS MADE OUR JOB A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGE.

LIKE MIKE SAID, WHEN PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING TO THEM, LIKE COUNCILMEMBER FUKUNAGA SAID, IT SEEMS VERY REAL.

AND WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE NUMBER, MAY NOT BE THE REALITY.

BUT DEFINITELY THE PERCEPTION.

SOCIAL MEDIA MADE OUR JOB A LOT EASIER IN A WAY NOW WE'RE ABLE TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO PEOPLE QUICKER.

WE'RE ABLE TO ESPECIALLY WITH OUR FOLLOWER, PRESENT INFORMATION THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW.

WE'RE ABLE TO USE THE MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO GET OUT INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE CAR ACCIDENTS OR HOLDING INVESTIGATIONS IN THIS AREA, OR THEY'LL BE TRAINING IN THIS AREA, SO STAY AWAY.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS BOTH VERY GOOD.

AND CAN ALSO BE VERY TROUBLING SOMETIMES.

I THINK WE GOT TO USE THE TECHNOLOGY TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK A QUICK QUESTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AS MIKE WAS DESCRIBING TONS OF VIDEO COMES TO THE SITE.

GETS POSTED.

SOMEONE ON TELEVISION, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD VIDEO THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOMAN GETTING KNOCKED OVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY COVERAGE WERE IT NOT CAUGHT ON VIDEO.

WHEN THERE'S A VIDEO OF A CRIME THAT MIGHT BE LESS SERIOUS CRIME, THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT SOME RESOURCES ON, DO YOU FIND YOURSELF FORCED TO PUT ARESPONSE A CRIME THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE THAT CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, YOU GOT TO SOLVE THAT CRIME.

>> SURE.

WE WANT TO BE IN TOUCH WITH NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PUBLIC ARE.

SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC OUTCRY, WE'RE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION.

AT THE SAME TIME, BRING UP SOCIAL MEDIA.

ECHO, PARTNERSHIP.

WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

THERE HAVE BEEN CASES AND TIMES WHERE BOTH ON NEXTDOOR AND ALSO FROM STOLEN STUFF HAWAII WE GOT VERY VALUABLE TIP AND LEADS.

HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE VIDEOS OR INFORMATION PROVIDED, SPECIFICALLY FROM NEXTDOOR RECENT CASE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WERE ABLE NOT ONLY TO GET LEADS THROUGH INVESTIGATIVE LEAD, LOCATE AND IDENTIFY SUSPECTS BRING THEM TO SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION BECAUSE OF PARTNERSHIPS.

STOLEN STUFF HAWAII AND APP GIVE DIRECT TEXT FROM PUBLIC AND SECURITY WATCHES TO THE POLICE.

>>Daryl: COUNCILMEMBER FUKUNAGA, PROSECUTOR ALM MENTIONED WEED AND SEED.

EFFORT DOWNTOWN CHINATOWN TO PUT MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREET THERE.

MAYOR MADE A POINT OF SAYING, I GOT CLEAN UP CHINATOWN.

IS THERE AN ISSUE SOMETIMES FOCUS ON ONE PARTICULAR AREA, MOVES TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO IN YOUR DISTRICT?

>> WELL, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, WITHIN DISTRICT 6, IT'S ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS.

WHENEVER AGENCIES OR HOMELESS SERVICES PROVIDERS GO TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, THE SO‑CALLED PROBLEM MOVES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING SORT OF LIKE RUNNING AROUND CHASING AND WE SAID, THIS REALLY IS NOT VERY PRODUCTIVE.

I THINK THE BROADER EFFORT THAT WEED AND SEED REPRESENTS IS REALLY KIND A WEED AND SEED EFFORT THAT HAS TO GO HAND IN HAND.

THEN AT LEAST WHEN YOU RECEIVE COMPLAINTS YOU CAN DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH THEM.

OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST SORT OF NEVER ENDING CYCLE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING.

>> >> RIGHT.

WE'RE CONVINCED SOME CRIME TAKE PLACES IN CHINATOWN BECAUSE ALLEYS, FOLKS THAT HANG OUT, BARS.

EVERYTHING ELSE.

SAME PERSON NOT GOING TO BE DISORDERLY CONDUCT FIVE BLOCKS UP LILIHA.

AT THE SAME TIME, CHRONICALLY HOMELESS BECAUSE OF MY BACKGROUND WITH WEED AND SEED AND YOU KNOW, WITH H.O.P.E.

PROBATION, DRUG COURT.

DRUG TREATMENTS AGREED TO TAKE BUNCH HOMELESS PEOPLE INTO THEIR PROGRAM.

HPD ARRESTS THEM FOR DRUG POSSESSION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM ASSESSED AT OCC AND THEN INTO A PROGRAM.

SO YOU CAN HELP THEM SUCCEED.

WE WILL SEE IF CRIME MOVES TO THE NEIGHBORING AREAS.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST TIME.

WE'LL WATCH IT THIS TIME.

GOING TO TRY TO HELP THE HOMELESS GET TREATMENT.

BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG PROBLEMS UNLESS YOU DEAL WITH THAT, YOU CAN PUT THEM IN HOUSING BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

>>Daryl: PREVIOUSLY, WE DID A PROGRAM ON HOMELESSNESS.

ONE THING THEY SAID, NOW YOU HAVE A PROGRAM, ASSISTANT COMMUNITY TREATMENT PROGRAM, AND YOU HAVE GUARDIAN AD LITEMS IN COURT INSTEAD OF PUBLIC DEFENDERS WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF EFFECTIVE THAT'S BEEN IN TERMS OF GETTING PEOPLE TREATMENT.

>> ALREADY STARTED TO HAVE A GOOD IMPACT.

I THINK LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF ONE CASE THAT NEED THROUGH.

KANE MITCHELL FROM IHS DID.

PUBLIC DEFENDERS DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE HAD TO LISTEN TO THEIR CLIENTS WHO IS PSYCHOTIC I DON'T WANT TREATMENT.

LET ME OUT.

OBLIGATION WAS TO FOLLOW THEM.

GUARDIAN AD LITEM WILL DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST.

CASES ARE BEING MADE.

THAT'S GOING IT HELP FORCE PEOPLE TO GET MEDICATION AND IN SOME CASES GET HOSPITALIZED.

THAT'S GOING TO BE OF THE SUCCESS OF WEED AND SEED.

YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PEOPLE IN CHINATOWN, DON'T HAVE DRUGS ON THEM.

NOT COMMITTING OTHER CRIME.

BUT ARE CLEARLY MENTALLY ILL. A.C.T.

PROGRAM WILL BE ONE OF THE TOOLS TO HOPE THEM SUCCEED.

>>Daryl: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA.

HOW DO YOU REGULATE WHAT GOES ON YOUR SITE?

WE IN THE MEDIA LOOK AT THAT SITE AND PICK AND CHOOSE THINGS.

I'VE SEEN DEFINITELY THINGS PUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA NOT COVERED OTHERWISE WERE IF NOT VIDEO JUVENILES GO IN A STORE.

MULTIPLE SHOP LIFTING GOING ON.

WOULD NOT GET COVERAGE.

WHAT KIND OF STUFF IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ON YOUR SITE.

YOU WHO DO YOU REGULATE JUVENILES DOING SOMETHING.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO POSTS, PRIMARILY CONCERNED WHAT WE CALL BLASTS.

BLAST IS WHERE YOU PUTTING SOMEBODY ON BLAST WHO HAVE YOU NOT REPORTED TO THE POLICE.

NOT REPORTED YOUR INCIDENT.

JUST PUTTING SOMEBODY ON BLAST BECAUSE.

>>Daryl: WHAT DOES ON BLAST MEAN.

>> POSTING PICTURE OF THEM AND SAYING THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.

>>Daryl: THAT'S ON YOUR SITE.

>> IN OUR GROUP.

THING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> OUR FIRST STEP WHENEVER SOMETHING HAPPENS SHOULD BE TO REPORT IT TO HPD.

WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE CASES WHERE SOMEBODY GOT VIDEO FOOTAGE OF SOMETHING DOING SOMETHING WRONG, WE REQUEST THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY GO AND FILE POLICE REPORT IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE SO.

THAT'S FIRST WAYS WE STOP AND REGULATE.

ANYBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING.

IT CAN BE TRUTH OR NOT BE THE TRUTH.

>>Daryl: IS THAT SOMETHING NEW.

>> SINCE THE BEGINNING PRETTY MUCH.

I HAVE EXPERIENCE, BACKGROUND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WITH MILITARY.

TRAINED LAW ENFORCEMENT BEFORE.

I DO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE PROCEDURES.

IT'S JUST IMPORTANT.

ONLY WAY YOU CAN REALLY KEEP PEOPLE HONEST.

BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A POLICE REPORT, GOING TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT.

>>Daryl: CHIEF QUESTION HERE.

VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.

MIGHT OPEN UP COUPLE OF OTHER TOPICS HERE.

WE CAN SAY CRIME IS NOT INCREASING.

QUESTION CAME IN BY EMAIL.

WE CAN SAY CRIME NOT INCREASE.

BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORTAGE ON PATROL OFFICERS RESPOND TO CALLS OR NOT REPORTED.

FIRST OF ALL, IS THE SHORTAGE OFFICERS, WELL REPORTED, POTENTIALLY LEADING TO YOUR STATISTICS BEING ARTIFICIALLY LOW, NOT ABLE TO GET TO AS MANY PLACE.

NOT OUT AND ABOUT?

DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING.

>> NO.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE SHORTAGE OF OFFICERS CONTRIBUTING TO LOWER NUMBERS WE SEE IN CRIME.

I THINK OFFICERS ARE DEDICATED AND THEY'RE BEING ASKED DO MORE WITH LESS RESOURCES.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS OFFICERS, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE WORKING ANY LESS HARD OR NOT ABLE TO GET TO ANY LESS CASES.

I THINK EXACTLY OPPOSITE.

THEY'RE WORKING HARDER AND GETTING TO AS MANY IF NOT MORE CASES.

IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OFFICERS HAVE THE PROPER RESOURCES, PROPER TRAINING, AND ALSO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN ORDER TO GET THEM THE HELP WE DID, THAT THEY DO NEED, MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING WHAT HE CAN TO INCREASE OUR RECRUITMENT EFFORTS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT MOVING TOWARDS RECRUITING OUR OWN OFFICERS, AS OPPOSED TO WORKING WITH CITY'S DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES, VERY SUPPORTIVE, BEEN ABLE TO GO TO RECRUITMENT CLASS OF MID 20'S TO LOW 30'S.

TO THE HIGH 30'S, TO EVEN LOW FIFTIES IN SOME CASE.

WE WENT FROM BEING ABLE TO HANDLE TWO, ONE TO TWO CLASSES PER YEAR AT OUR ACADEMY, TO NOW, 3 AND NOW, BETWEEN HAVE FOUR CLASS PER YEAR.

ALLOWED TO SHRINK NUMBER OF VACANCIES.

TRAIN THEM QUICKER, PUT THEM ON THE ROAD.

AND HAVE THEM OUT THERE SERVING THE COMMUNITY.

>>Daryl: THERE WAS STATEMENT THAT FORMER CHIEF BALLARD MADE.

SOME POINT, I'VE GOT SO FEW DETECTIVES NOW, THAT I CAN'T TO ALL THE PROPERTY CRIMES.

IS THAT STILL TRUE?

IF SOMEONE REPORTS BURGLARY, A DETECTIVE WILL DEAL WITH THAT CRIME.

>> BURGLARIES ONE OF THE ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO PROPERTY CRIMES HERE IN HONOLULU.

YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE APPROPRIATE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF RESOURCES IT THE RIGHT TYPES OF CRIMES.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'LL IGNORE IT.

C I.D.

IS ONE OF THE AREAS WE'RE CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO STAFFING.

MOVING FORWARD, WE DO REALIZE THAT SOLVING CRIME IS VERY IMPORTANT.

MAKING SURE WE DETECTIVES IN OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS A PRIORITY FOR ME.

>>Daryl: DO YOU SEE IMPACT POLICE SHORTAGE ON CASES.

>> WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE, AND I TALKED TO THEIR STAFF, THEY HAD A STAFF DIFFERENT FROM THE FBI.

CRIMES REPORTED TO THE POLICE.

IT WAS DOWN 29% FROM JULY '19 TO JUNE '20.

THAT WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THINGS.

AGAIN, IT BUSINESSES ARE CLOSED, NOT GOING TO GET AS MUCH SHOPLIFTING.

IF PEOPLE ARE HOME, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH BURGLARIES.

MAYBE HOME INVASION.

MONTHS, A BUNCH OF CRIMES.

OVERALL YEAR IT WAS DOWN OF THE FOR THE STORE IS NOT THAT WAY.

THEY SAW CRIME.

>> I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S DIRECTLY A LOT OF INTERACTION.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE SEEN FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE CALLED IN 911 AND NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET OPERATOR.

CALLED IN, HEARD RINGING OR NOT BEEN CONNECTED.

BASICALLY GIVE UP AND DON'T CALL.

THEY ADOPT REPORT.

TRY TO HANDLE IT THEMSELVES OR CALL BACK AT MUCH LATER TIME.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD BEFORE.

HAS BEEN KIND A BIT OF AN ISSUE.

ONE OF THE MORE RECENT ONES WAS WHERE ATTORNEY GOT ATTACKED.

IN THE MIDDLE OF STREET.

SHE WANT TO ABLE TO TO HPD IN TIME.

>>Daryl: GIVE YOU A CHANCE.

>> SURE DEFINITELY ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE SEEN IS CIVILIAN HIRING AND DISPATCHERS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST UNIQUE TO HERE IN HONOLULU.

THAT'S KIND OF THE TREND WE'RE SEEING IN ACROSS THE NATION.

RECENTLY, HAD A HIRING FREEZE FROM THE CITY HAS SINCE STOPPED.

DEFINITELY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VERY QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ‑‑ >>Daryl: THERE WAS A HIRING FREEZE FOR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES OF HPD?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

ACROSS THE CITY.

WASN'T JUST FOR HPD.

THERE WASN'T A HIRING FREEZE CAME TO OFFICERS.

>>Daryl: WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON?

>> NO.

RECENTLY.

BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET SHORTFALL.

>>Daryl: OKAY.

RIGHT.

WHEN YOU HAD TO ‑‑ >> RIGHT.

>>Daryl: COUNCILMEMBER, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET PROCESS.

IS IT A CHALLENGE TO FUND POLICE ADEQUATELY DO YOU FEEL POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING WELL IN THESE RESPECTS?

>> I THINK FROM THE COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, WE ALMOST ALWAYS FULLY FUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

REALLY NO LIMITATIONS THAT WE PLACE ON THE DEPARTMENT.

WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE MORE RESOURCE.

SIMILAR FOR THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

WHAT I THINK WAS HAPPENING THOUGH WAS AS YOU HAD THE PANDEMIC GOING ON, TO THE END OF LAST YEAR, OUTGOING ADMINISTRATION PROBABLY IMPOSED THE HIRING FREEZE AND CUT BACK ON RESOURCES IN ORDER TO KIND OF DISTRIBUTE WHATEVER RESOURCES THEY HAD.

AND MAKE THE RESOURCES LAST LONGER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I THINK THAT WAS SORT OF SOMETHING THAT CONTRIBUTED TO MORE DIFFICULTIES.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS AN ONGOING PRACTICE.

>>Daryl: VIEWERS ARE STARTING TO REALLY CHIP IN NOW.

I'LL GIVE YOU FIRST HARD BALL QUESTION.

MY PERCEPTION IS HPD IS DOING A GOOD JOB BUT PROSECUTORS LET THESE GUYS GO FREE.

DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS.

THERE WAS A PERCEPTION FOR A WHILE CATCH AND RELEASE THING.

THAT WASN'T YOU.

>> NO.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE.

PARTNERS IN EVERYTHING WE DO.

COUNCIL HAS BEEN GREAT.

WE HAD POSITION WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOSE IN CAREER CRIMINAL AND THEY RESTORED FUNDING FOR IT.

COUNCIL FUKUNAGA GOT THE MONEY FOR THE WEED AND SEED COORDINATORS.

SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH HPD.

WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE AS MANY CASES AS WE CAN.

THERE WAS MORE THAN A YEAR COURTS WERE SHUTDOWN.

AND SO NOW, MORE AND MORE, CASES ARE NOT STOPPING COMING IN.

THE JUDICIARY SINCE DECEMBER STARTED JURY TRIAL.

YOU HAVE TO DO TRIALS AT THE OTHER END TO GET THE DEFENSE TO WANT TO DEAL WITH CASE THAT PLEAD GUILTY TO THINGS.

WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT TAKING CASES.

>> WE LOOK AT OUR CHARGING CRITERIA.

AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT PERSON MAY HAVE HAD A CASE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH.

OVERALL, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE.

AND OUR TRYING TO CHARGE AS MANY CASES AS WE CAN.

>>Daryl: CHIEF, I DO HAVE TO ASK.

QUESTIONS COMING DOWN THE LINE.

TOUGH ONE.

I WANT TO ASK IN ADVANCE OF IT.

HOW IS THE DEPARTMENT DOING IN TERMS OF MORALE, YOU'VE COME THROUGH TUMULTUOUS TIME, ONE CHIEF GOING TO PRISON.

ANOTHER CHIEF WHO LOST A LOT OF THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE.

SHE HERSELF SAID SHE LOST CONFIDENCE OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I MEAN, POLICE COMMISSION.

HOW IS THE DEPARTMENT DOING MORALE WISE AND WHAT ARE THE FACTORS ON POLICE MORALE RIGHT NOW THAT MIGHT NOT BE POSITIVE?

>> SURE.

MORALE IS A VERY PERSONAL THING.

IT'S KIND OF TRICKY TO GAUGE.

DEFINITELY THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION DON'T HELP.

THERE IS A DEFINITE DIFFERENT EXPECTATION OF PEACE NOT JUST ACROSS THE NATION BUT HERE IN HONOLULU.

DESPITE THOSE PERCEPTIONS HERE IN HONOLULU, JUST KIND OF DIFFERENT FEEL.

I MEAN, COUNCILMEMBER FUKUNAGA TALKS ABOUT THE SUPPORT THAT THEY GIVE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

STEVE TALKS ABOUT THAT TOO.

JUST KIND OF PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE LIKE HERE IN HAWAII.

WE ALL WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE OUR OFFICERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WORK IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE ON PLACES IN THE CONTINENT WHERE OFFICERS SOMETIMES HAVE TO COMMUTE AND WORK IN PLACES WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH.

BUT EVERYONE KIND OF KNOWS POLICE OFFICERS HERE.

AUNTY OR UNCLE OR NEIGHBOR OR CHILD'S COACH.

IT JUST DIFFERENT HERE.

SO AS FAR AS WHEN IT COMES TO MORALE, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC IS KEY.

I MEAN, WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUT AND THANKING US.

I HAD AN OFFICER TODAY JUST FROM THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN CHINATOWN, I TALK STORY WITH HIM BEFORE I CAME OVER HERE.

HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, I JUST CAME FROM A SHIFT IN CHINATOWN AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP TO US AND THANKING US FOR THE STUFF WE'RE DOING.

FOR AN OFFICER TO HEAR THAT, THAT IS HUGE TO KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT THEY DO ON A DAILY BASIS, PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE, NOT KNOWING IF THEY'LL GET TO GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY, TO THEIR FAMILY, AND HAVING PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT AND THANK THEM FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT REALLY GOES TO INCREASING AND IMPROVING MORALE.

SO.

>>Daryl: COUNCILMEMBER FUKUNAGA, WHAT IS THE FEEDBACK THAT COUNCIL IS GETTING ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE, JUST HAD A POLICE COMMISSIONER APPROVED YESTERDAY.

WHO, THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICISM OF IN THAT APPOINTMENT.

DIDN'T SHOW THAT MAYOR WAS INTERESTED IN DIVERSITY ON THE POLICE COMMISSION.

THAT REFLECTS CONCERN ABOUT TREATMENT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TREATMENT OF CERTAIN MINORITY GROUPS.

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING AS A COUNCILMEMBER ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE IN TERMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ON OAHU?

>> I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, A LOT OF IT IS WITHIN EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ISSUES AND PROBLEMS.

AND TO ME, THE MORE WE CAN BUILD RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS, WITHIN AN AREA, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE BETTER OFF WE'LL BE.

I'LL GIVE YOU ONE QUICK EXAMPLE.

WE HAD A PROBLEM ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO IN KALIHI VALLEY WHERE, I GUESS HAWAII PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY, KALIHI VALLEY HOMES CRACKED DOWN ON A LOT OF THE VISITORS AND I GUESS RESIDENTS WHO'S CARS DIDN'T HAVE PROPER REGISTRATIONS, OR CURRENT RENEWALS AND SAFETY CHECKS AND STUFF.

SO A LOT OF THOSE VISITORS VEHICLES, RESIDENTS VEHICLES PARKED IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND DRIVING RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CRAZY.

SO YOU KNOW ALL KIND OF GOT TOGETHER.

CAME UP WITH A VARIATION OF WHAT THEY CALL RESTRICTIVE PARKING ZONES.

ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

INTO I THINK UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SOMETIMES NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEM WILL BE BLAMED ON POLICE WHEN THEY'RE JUST RESPONDING TO SOMETHING THAT IS ‑‑ >> NO.

WHAT HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF THAT LITTLE PILOT PROJECT WHICH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICES PUT TOGETHER, WE DID IT VERY QUICKLY AND EVERYBODY IN THE WILSON TRACK AREA KIND OF SIGNED ON TO PARTICIPATE.

WITHIN A MONTH, PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED AT HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IT MADE BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN, INSTEAD HAVING EITHER TRASH OR PEOPLE DOING STRANGE THINGS IN THEIR CARS, PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THE WHOLE TENOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGED AND PEOPLE WHO HAD LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME WERE SO SURPRISED, THEY SAID, MY MOTHER IS ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO VISIT WITH EACH OTHER.

THEY DISCOVERED THAT THEIR BEST PARTNERS WERE THE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE THE POLICE OFFICERS HELPED TO ENFORCE THAT RESTRICTED PARKING ZONE TYPE OF REQUIREMENT.

AFTER A WHILE, THEY WERE BEST BUDDIES.

IT BECAME SORT OF LIKE A WHOLE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE THING THAT, TO ME, MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGING OR IMPROVING POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT'S RESTORING THAT RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN THE HOUSING PROJECT LIKE KPT AND MAYOR WRIGHT'S, STARTED ENFORCING THAT YEARS AGO, WHERE ONLY WAY YOU COULD COME ON TO THE PROPERTY WAS YOU HAD REGISTRATION, YOU HAD INSURANCE, THAT CUT CRIME DOWN BY ITSELF.

SO SMART.

IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, AT THE HOMES HERE, PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO DO THAT CAN'T DO THAT.

SO THEY MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SET UP PERMITTING THING AND IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT.

CAN'T PARK THERE.

PEOPLE CAN SITE THEM AND GET THEM OUT OF THERE.

BEING SMART.

>>Daryl: BROKEN WINDOW PHILOSOPHY.

JEW US SORT OF CLAMP DOWN ON SMALL ‑‑ JUST SORT OF CLAMP DOWN SMALL MISBEHAVIOR.

TENDS TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT PHILOSOPHY?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DOES TAKE A LOT MORE, BOOTS ON THE GROUND?

>> DEFINITELY.

ONE OF THE SUCCESSES WE'VE SEEN AND PROGRAMS, WE HAVE THEM IN EVERY PATROL DISTRICT, COMMUNITY POLICING TEAMS.

REALLY OUR COMMUNITY POLICING TEAMS OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO SPECIAL UNIT THAT AREN'T TIED TO THE RADIO.

NOT HAVING TO RESPOND TO CALLS FOR SERVICE.

BUT REALLY ABLE TO CREATE THOSE PIVOTAL AND IMPORTANT CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, COMMUNITY NEEDS POLICE IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM SAFE.

THERE IS THAT EXPECTATION.

POLICE NEED TO COMMUNITY TO TRUST THEM AND PROVIDE INFORMATION AND BE EYES AND EARS IN THE PUBLIC.

FOR EXAMPLE, NEIGHBORHOOD SECURITY WATCHES, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO KEEPING THEIR COMMUNITY SAFE AND WHO ARE OUT THERE TAKING A LOOK AND LETTING US KNOW WHAT THEY SEE.

WHO TAKE THE POLICE OF OFFICERS.

BY GETTING ‑‑ TAKE THE PLACE OF OFFICERS.

GETTING COMMUNITY INVOLVED AND CREATING IMPORTANT COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS ALLOW US TO MORE EFFECTIVELY DO OUR JOB.

>>Daryl: PROSECUTOR ALM, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON THIS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE TOUGHER ONES.

WHY ARE YOU CHARGING THREE OFFICERS AFTER GRAND JURY SAID NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE, WHY DID YOU CHARGE THREE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE IREMAMBER SKYKAP CASE.

THAT I MEAN, I'LL JUST GOING TO SAY, COVERING THAT CASE, YOU STUCK YOUR NECK OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

ALSO, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT.

SO I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, WHY AND WHAT ARE YOUR SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME.

>> WELL, WHOLE IDEA IS THAT IF THE DEPARTMENT WHO IS INVOLVED IN SHOOTING IS INVESTIGATING ITSELF, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT'S SUSPECT.

THAT IS NOT KNOCK ON HPD AT ALL.

I WORKED WITH HPD FOR 36 YEARS.

GREAT DETECTIVES.

DID A LOT OF HOMICIDES.

BUT SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE THOSE.

AND IDEALLY, THERE WOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY THAT CAN DO IT.

EXPERIENCED PROSECUTOR AND INVESTIGATORS THAT'S NOT ON THE HORIZON.

UNTIL IT HAPPENS OUR OFFICE IS BEST EQUIPPED TO DO THAT.

SO WHEN I'VE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME.

WHEN I WAS AT THE U.S. ATTORNEY, PROSECUTED SOME POLICE OFFICERS FOR CORRUPTION.

FOR VIOLATING CIVIL RIGHTS.

IT'S PART OF THE JOB.

I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST BY HAVING OUR MOST EXPERIENCED HOMICIDE PROSECUTORS INVOLVED IN EVALUATING THAT.

IN A CASE LIKE THE IREMAMBER SKYKAP CASE, WE THOUGHT THAT WASN'T JUSTIFIED SHOOTING WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROSECUTE THAT.

SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY WITH IT.

THEY WERE DEMONSTRATIONS.

SUPPORT OF THE POLICE.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE POLICE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

JUST LIKE PROSECUTORS.

IF SOMEBODY IN MY OFFICE OR ME COMMITTED A CRIME, I WOULD EXPECT HPD TO INVESTIGATE IT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL OFFICE TO PROSECUTE IT.

NOBODY SHOULD GET A PASS.

THIS ISN'T RUSSIA.

THIS ISN'T CHINA.

WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS BEYOND THE REACH OF THE LAW.

SO I'M GOING TO DO MY JOB TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.

OUR CONSTITUTION ALLOWS MULTIPLE WAYS TO BRING CHARGES AND PART OF IT IS I THINK PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND GRAND JURY.

THEY THINK OFTEN THAT'S A TRIAL.

ALREADY HAPPENED.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

IF NO ARGUMENT IN GRAND JURY.

THERE'S NO ARGUING.

MOST CASES DO GET INDICTED.

THAT'S BECAUSE MOST CASES ARE APPROPRIATE CHARGED.

>>Daryl: LET ME SAY, CHIEF, I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HE SAID, EXCEPT WHEN THEY DID INDICT, THEY DID CHARGE THOSE OFFICERS, YOUR RESPONSE WAS NOT I'M GLAD YOU CHARGED MY OFFICERS.

IT WAS WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?

KIND OF, SUMMARIZE IT THAT WAY YOU AND MANY OFFICERS ON THE STREET PROTESTING PROCESS OF CRIMINAL CASE.

I FOUND THAT VERY IRONIC.

WHAT COMMENTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THAT?

>> I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK FOR A LOT OF OFFICERS AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT, CAUGHT US A LITTLE OR GUARD.

ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME OF I THINK MY STATEMENT WAS IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL.

I THINK ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS WE SUPPORT JUSTICE SYSTEM.

NO MATTER WHAT.

I THINK THE FACT THAT THE OFFICERS WERE OUT THERE IN SUPPORT OF THEIR FELLOW OFFICERS, IS NOT AN UNUSUAL ACT.

I MEAN, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND OFFICERS OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND VERY DIFFICULT AND VERY TOUGH JOB.

WITH THINGS GOING ON ACROSS THE NATION, EVEN TOUGHER NOW.

YOU GOT REALIZE OFFICERS HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS SOMETIMES IN A MANNER OF SECONDS.

COULD LITERALLY MEAN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH.

I AGREE WITH STEVE.

DOESN'T GIVE THEM RIGHT TO, THEY'RE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IS IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT JOB.

AND IT IS FOR OFFICERS, GOING THROUGH THIS, STRESSFUL TIME AND STRESSFUL SITUATION.

FELLOW OFFICERS WANT TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT THEM ALL THEY CAN.

I SUPPORT OFFICERS, BEAT PARTNERS ARE OUT THERE SUPPORTING THEM THROUGH THIS DIFFICULT TIME.

>>Daryl: I WOULD JUST ASK PEOPLE TO JUST TAKE IT SLOW.

AND SEE WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

BEING DETECTIVE.

YOU DON'T MAKE UP YOUR MIND A SPLIT SECOND.

YOU EVALUATE IT.

YOU LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.

BEFORE YOU DECIDE THERE'S ENOUGH TO BRING IT TO THE PROSECUTORS AND THE CHARGE A CASE.

IN ANY OTHER CASE.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS HERE.

I WOULD JUST ASK PEOPLE TO WAIT.

WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, LONG TIME.

VERY EXPERIENCED IN DOING THAT.

AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO THINK A POLICE OFFICER DID ANYTHING WRONG.

I DON'T WANT TO EITHER.

THIS IS DID NOT MAKE ME HAPPY TO DO THIS BUT IT'S PART OF MY JOB.

I ACCEPT THAT AS PART OF THE JOB AND LET THE EVIDENCE COME OUT IN COURT AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

>>Daryl: COUPLE OF, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO READ.

LET POLICE KNOW THEY'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB AND UNFORTUNATELY, A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE DON'T RESPECT THE TITLE.

>> THANK YOU.

>>Daryl: CONFIDENCE LOST IN THE COMMISSION.

NOT THE POLICE CHIEF.

THE LAST QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO GATE, HAVE A BIG PILE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.

CAN'T READ IT.

SO MANY.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER BILL AND WHAT ABOUT THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS?

PEOPLE ARE STILL STEALING CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.

WHAT IS WITH THAT ISSUE AND WHY IS IT RESONATE TO GO THE POINT WHERE I'VE GOT FIVE QUESTIONS?

>> I'LL BE HONEST.

PAIN IN THE BUTT.

IT'S ONE OF THINGS YOU WALK OUT IN THE MORNING.

TO GO GET TO YOUR CAR.

AND YOU START IT UP AND THERE IS THIS LOUD NOISE.

UNDRIVEABLE FOR SOME PEOPLE.

SO COSTLY.

TO REPAIR.

IT TAKES TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY.

IT TAKES YOUR CAR OFF THE STREET.

SO HORRIBLE.

YET, IT'S CONSIDERED A MISDEMEANOR I BELIEVE.

IS THAT THE CASE?

>> NO.

FELONY.

>> IT'S A FELONY.

BUT IT'S BEING TREATED AS A MISDEMEANOR?

>>Daryl: IT WOULD BE A THIRD DEGREE, RIGHT?

>> $1,300 TO REPLACE.

WE'RE VERY CONCERNED.

TALK TO DO THE POLICE ABOUT IT.

WISH THE BILL PASSED.

TO TREAT IT MORE SERIOUSLY.

LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SELL THIS TO.

IT WAS SAME TYPE OF THING WITH COPPER IN THE PAST.

WE'RE HOPING DO SOME CASES THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT WITH HPD BECAUSE ONLY SO MANY PLACES IF YOU STEAL IT, CAN YOU TAKE IT.

YOU KNOW, GOT TO STOP.

I GET THE SAME KIND OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

CARROLL FUKUNAGA.

BOTH ROLE AS COUNCILMEMBER AND ROLE AS LEGISLATOR.

PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMING UP TO YOU AND SAYING CAN YOU MAKE THIS, FILL IN THE BLANK.

A BIGGER CRIME.

LIKE, CRIMES WITH THE ELDER ARE BIGGER.

CAN YOU MAKE CATALYTIC CONVERTER BIGGER CRIME?

CAN YOU MAKE STEALING LEATHER PURSES WITH INITIALS ON THEM BIGGER CRIME.

>> ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK WE RECEIVE THOSE KINDS OF COMPLAINTS.

MY COLLEAGUES SENATOR RHOADS RECEIVES THOSE.

IN TERMS OF THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVE, THERE ARE MORE, IT'S LIKE THE NUISANCE REQUESTS.

ABANDON VEHICLES.

BLOCKING THE STREET, CARS CAN'T GET AROUND THEM.

TRASH COLLECTION CAN'T BE PICKED UP.

SO WHAT CAN YOU FOLKS DO TO GET RID OF THOSE ABANDON CARS?

IT'S VERY LITTLE, I THINK ON CITY LEVEL, THAT TRIES TO EVALUATE WHETHER THE PENALTIES ARE STRICT ENOUGH.

EXCEPT FOR THINGS LIKE ILLEGAL DUMPING.

OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, WE REALLY DON'T GET THOSE KIND OF REQUESTS.

>>Daryl: SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING PUBLIC RESPONDS MORE TO QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO FEARING GETTING ROBBED OR FEARING GETTING, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS MESSED UP.

CHIEF, I KNOW NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S SO MANY CARS PARKED THERE, PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

MULTIGENERATIONAL HOME.

>> HOUSES ARE BUILT WITHOUT ADEQUATE PARKING.

BUT NO ONE EVER GOES DOWN THE STREET AND CITES ALL THE ILLEGALLY PARKED CARS.

DO YOU SEE A TIME WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MIGHT GET MORE INVOLVED IN THAT KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE KIND OF STUFF?

AS OPPOSED BEING JUST COMPLAINT ORIENTED?

>> FIRST OF ALL, POINT OUT IF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS HERE IN HONOLULU ARE TOO MANY CARS PARKED ON THE STREET.

DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES ARE SOMETHING.

EVERY DAY LIFE, YOU EXPECT TO WAKE UP, YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO JUMP THAT YOUR CAR.

HAVE A GREAT TRAFFIC FREE RIDE TO WORK.

AND THEN YOU EXPECT TO COME HOME AND BE ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND GO IN AND ENJOY YOUR FAMILY.

WHEN THINGS DISRUPT THAT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE START TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, AS A DEPARTMENT, WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE ABOUT THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

DEFINITELY PARKING COMPLAINTS THINGS LIKE THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT OFFICERS ALSO DO.

TAKE CARE OF.

I MEAN, IT TAKES US AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS.

IT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY FOR EXAMPLE.

WHEN WE GO TO CASES, PRIORITY WOULD BE SOMEONE JUST GOT ASSAULTED.

GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT FIRST.

ONCE THE OFFICER IS DONE WITH THAT, WRITING REPORTS, CHECK THEIR BEAT.

THIS CAR IS PROBABLY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PARKED OVER THERE WHICH COULD LEAD TO OTHER THINGS.

POINT OUT IF PARKED CARS ARE BIGGEST PROBLEM, I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

>>Daryl: I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

I THINK I REALLY NEED TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF FACT THAT THIS IS A GREAT PLATFORM.

I REPRESENT A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

AND EVERY DAY, I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND I HAVE TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENED.

SAME WAY HPD DOES.

AND READ LAW SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

MY GROUP IS THE PULSE OF CRIME.

IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THERE IS, THERE IS A LOT OF ANGER.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING EXPRESSED RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS A LOT OF ANGER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF CRIME THEY EXPERIENCE.

MAY NOT HAVE RISEN.

MAY NOT HAVE LOWEST THIS YEARS.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF CRIME THAT WE HAVE, WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE STATS, ONE IN 33 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE A VICTIM OF PROPERTY CRIME HERE.

THAT IS REALLY HIGH.

IT MAY BE INFLATED A LITTLE BIT.

REGARDLESS, OUR COMMUNITY, WHEN YOU GO TO MY GROUP, YOU SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST BEEN VICTIMIZED.

OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

BY THE SAME PEOPLE.

ALL AGAIN.

BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS REVOLVEING DOOR AND NOT BEING TAKEN CARE.

FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE.

THAT'S THE REASON THEY COME TO MY GROUP.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS.

ONE THING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR GROUP AND NEWS.

NEWS GETS, CERTAIN STORIES RUNS WITH THEM.

OUR GROUP TAKES EVERYBODY.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY FOR EXAMPLE ,PERCEPTION THAT CRIME IS RISING.

OUR GROUP IS VERY UPSET RIGHT NOW.

PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY ARE ANGRY.

FEELS THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE PROSECUTION AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE TAKEN AND HANDLED PROPERLY.

>>Daryl: DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOK AT IS SUBSET OF VICTIMS?

THAT IS, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS OF CRIME AND NOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY?

>> IT IS.

YES.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, YEAH.

OF COURSE.

ANYBODY THAT COMES TO OUR GROUP, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY ARE A VICTIM OF CRIME.

OBVIOUSLY, WHEN SOMEBODY POSTS AND VICTIM OF CRIME, YOU HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THERE THAT COMMENTS ON IT.

YES, IT'S A VERY CERTAIN SUBSECTION.

BUT I MEAN, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE VICTIMS.

AND RELATING THEIR EXPERIENCES.

>>Daryl: LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I HONOR OUR QUESTION.

GOING TO GO RIGHT TWO WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

FOR STEVE ALM, WHY DO WE HAVE CRIMINALS 30, 40, 50 CONVICTIONS ROAMING OUR START.

>> PART OF THAT, LOOK AT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ARRESTED FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS.

MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF ALL OF THEM.

MAY HAVE GOTTEN CONSEQUENCE.

MAY HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED THE DID YEARS IN PRISON, CAME OUT.

COMMITTED ANOTHER CRIME.

I'M FULLY COGNIZANT OF HOW FRUSTRATED PEOPLE ARE.

MICHAEL BROUGHT UP REALITY IS PERSON BECAUSE OF COURTS WERE CLOSED FOR SO LONG, THEY MAY HAVE REPORTED IT TO THE POLICE.

POLICE INVESTIGATED.

CONFERRED WITH THE PROSECUTOR.

SOMEBODY GOT CHARGED BUT THE CASE HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED BECAUSE THE COURTS HAVEN'T BEEN OPEN.

SO THEY MAY BE SAYING I HAD A CASE AND NOTHING HAPPENED TO IT.

THAT IS TRUE.

BECAUSE NO CASES WERE BEING DEALT WITH.

NO TRIALS FOR A YEAR.

SO THAT IS STARTING TO OPEN UP.

THAT SHOULD GET BETTER.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN SO PLEASED ABOUT, BEING PROSECUTOR COMING IN, TO AN OFFICE THAT I LEFT 26 YEARS AGO, AFTER NINE YEARS THERE, WAS THE DEPUTIES ARE REALLY HARD‑WORKING.

THEY'VE GOT BIG CASELOADS.

THAT ARE GROWING BUT NOT BEING RESOLVED.

BECAUSE WE'RE JUST DOING THAT.

THEY'RE HARD‑WORKING.

THEY WORK EXTRA HOURS.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE POLICE.

THEY'RE CONFERRING THINGS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE.

AND THEY'RE THE BACK BONE OF THE OFFICERS.

PLEASED WITH THAT.

MORE AND MORE CASES ARE GOING TO JURY TRIAL, SHOULD GET MORE CASES RESOLVED.

MORE PLEAS TO CASES.

AND THINGS SHOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT.

THAT'S THE COVID IS REALLY SLOWED THINGS DOWN.

>>Daryl: I HAVE BEEN COVERING NEWS IN THIS TOWN FOR 40 YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE STORIES FOR 40 YEARS.

SO WHAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS WHERE IN NORMAL TIMES, IS THE BOTTLENECK?

NOT ENOUGH JUDGES?

NOT ENOUGH JAIL SPACE?

TOO LIBERAL BAIL STATUS?

TOO MUCH LIBERAL PROBATION?

I MEAN, WHERE IS THE PROBLEM THAT ARE SYSTEMIC THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE WITH THAT LEVEL OF CRIMINALITY?

30, 40, 50 FELONIES.

THEY WOULD NOT BE ON THE STREET.

>> IT'S THE JUDGE.

I WAS THE TOUGHEST IN THE COURTHOUSE.

I COULD SEE OUR PROBATION SYSTEM WASN'T EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S WHY I WORKED H.O.P.E.

PROBATION.

GREAT STAFF.

PEOPLE AT H.O.P.E.

GET ARRESTED FOR NEW CRIMES HALF AS OFTEN.

POLICE DON'T ARREST AS MANY.

DON'T HAVE TO INVESTIGATE AS MANY CASES.

GO TO PRISON HALF AT OFTEN.

NATIVE HAWAIIANS 43% LESS OFTEN THAN STRICT PROGRAM LIKE H.O.P.E.

THAN REGULAR PROBATION.

FIND THE STUFF THAT WORKS AND FOLLOW THROUGH.

NOBODY IN PROBATION MONITOR AS THEY SHOULD NOT A LOT OF DRUG TESTING GOING ON.

TAKES CLOSE SUPERVISION.

WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT BACK UP.

PURPOSE OF DRUG TESTING IS NOT TO CATCH PEOPLE TESTING POSITIVE.

IT'S TO DETER THEM FROM USING BECAUSE IF THEY TEST DIRTY, IN H.O.P.E., THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO JAIL.

>>Daryl: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DOES THAT EXPLAIN MAYBE THERE'S MORE CRIME GOING ON?

>> WELL, THERE'S MORE ‑‑ NOW, THERE IS MORE CRIME GOING ON.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING OUTSIDE.

>>Daryl: SYSTEM IS ALL OUT OF KILTER.

>> THAN LAST YEAR.

LAST YEAR WAS SUCH A WEIRD YEAR.

DURING THE I TRIED TO POINT OUT DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

CRIME IS DOWN THIS YEAR.

BECAUSE OF ALL THE FACTORS PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

AGAIN, IF YOU'RE THE VICTIM A CRIME, THEY DON'T SEE IT AS DOWN.

AND I WOULDN'T SEE IT AS DOWN.

IF I WAS THE VICTIM OF CRIME.

STATS ARE GREAT.

>>John: GREAT ADDRESS THE RISE OF CRIME IN WAIKIKI.

BIG TOPIC WAIKIKI MEETING.

A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN WAIKIKI.

HAD SUCH A WILDING GROUP OF CRIMINALS RUNNING AROUND.

LOTS OF FIGHTS AND SO ON.

WHAT IS GOING ON WAIKIKI IN TERMS OF CRIME AND TOURISTS BEING VICTIMIZED AGAIN?

>> AGAIN, TALK TO PERCEPTION.

LOOK AT THE NUMBER.

LIKE STEVE HAD SAID.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO DURING THIS ENTIRE SHOW.

CRIME WAS DOWN LAST YEAR.

THEN OF COURSE, WITH PEOPLE COME BACK, THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT CRIME IS ON THE RISE.

IN THE MEDIA, THERE WERE COUPLE OF VERY HIGH PROFILE CASES.

IN WHICH PEOPLE WERE VICTIMS OF CRIME.

WHICH IF I COULD POINT OUT, WE WERE ABLE TO ARREST THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THOSE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

BUT THOSE WHAT WE FOUND WERE ISOLATED INCIDENTS.

OF COURSE, LAST YEAR, WITH TOURISTS NOT GOING THERE, LOCAL IS NOT GOING THERE, CRIME IS GOING TO BE DOWN.

BUT WE AS A DEPARTMENT REALIZE THAT WAIKIKI IS REALLY WORLDWIDE DESTINATION.

IT'S NOT JUST A DESTINATION FOR TOURISTS.

BUT EVEN FOR LOCALS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE GO DOWN THERE.

WANT EXPERIENCE WHAT WAIKIKI HAS TO OFFER.

I WAS IN WAIKIKI WITH MY FAMILY.

SON DANCING HULA ROYAL HAWAIIAN SHOPPING CENTER.

I HADN'T BEEN TO WAIKIKI A LONG TIME.

THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CERTAIN AREA, EXPECT A LOT OF THINGS TO OCCUR.

ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS CRIME.

POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A PRIORITY.

WHY WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES FOURTH WATCH, BIKE OFFICERS, PATROL OFFICERS, CREATING FEELING OF SAFETY SO THAT NOT ONLY ARE VISITORS WHEN AT THE COME, EVEN LOCALS GO TO WAIKIKI, THEY FEEL SAFE.

>>Daryl: REALLY SHORT.

2 OR 3 MINUTES.

>> OUR JUDGES, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW JUDGES.

KIND.

THEY'RE THOUGHTFUL.

CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

BEER PRETTY LENIENT AS A STATE.

MORE PEOPLE GET TO SENT TO PRISON AT SENTENCING.

EVEN THEN, 35 TO 40%.

MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PLACED ON PROBATION.

WE GOT TO USE THINGS LIKE DRUG COURT, MENTAL HEALTH COURT, HOPE PROBATION.

SO THEY SUCCEED.

WE ALL SUCCEED WHEN PEOPLE SUCCEED ON PROBATION.

THE ONES THAT SHOULD GO TO PRISON WE GOT HAVE PROGRAMS TO HELP THEM REHABILITATE THEMSELVES SO THEY COME OUT, HPD DOESN'T HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THEM, WE DON'T HAVE TO PROSECUTE THEM.

I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORK TOGETHER, WE GOT PERSONALITIES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR OFFICE COLLABORATING WITH EVERYBODY I THINK WE CAN MAKE GOOD IN ROAD WAS THIS.

>>Daryl: ONLY GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT.

ON YOUR SITE, WOULD YOU SAY THAT MOST OF THE CRIMES THAT ARE BEING REPORTED ARE PROPERTY CRIMES AS OPPOSED TO VIOLENT CRIMES.

>> YES.

GREAT THING ABOUT HAWAII.

VIOLENT CRIME IS SO LOW.

THING THAT I THINK THAT COMES ACROSS MAYBE IN THE NEWS AND MEDIA, OVERALL, PROPERTY CRIMES JUST IS KIND OF VICTIMLESS.

NOT VIEWED AS THE SAME.

MAN, IT CAN MESS UP PEOPLE.

CAN RUIN YOUR PEACE OF MIND, SANCTITY.

SOMEBODY BURGLARIZES TAKES YOUR CAR, CAN'T GET TO WORK.

AFFECTS PEOPLE.

WHO PEOPLE ARE MOST ANGRY ABOUT.

>>Daryl: CARROLL FUKUNAGA WHAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION?

DONE SHORTLY HERE.

DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN THIS COMMUNITY?

>> WELL, I'M VERY CAREFUL WHEN I WALK DOWNTOWN AND IN CHINATOWN.

I GENERALLY FEEL SAFE BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A WIDESPREAD FEELING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED THE OTHER DAY, IF THE PERSON IN WONG'S DRAPERY HADN'T RUSHED OUT, I THINK PEOPLE ARE A LOT MORE SENSITIVE TO WHAT THEY SEE GOING AROUND THEM AND THEY'RE A LOT MORE CAREFUL.

YOU DON'T WANDER AROUND IN THE STREETS OR ON SIDEWALKS LATE AT NIGHT.

PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE CAREFUL.

>>Daryl: GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND TO OUR GUESTS, RADE VANIC IS THE INTERIM POLICE CHIEF FOR THE HONOLULU POLICE DEPARTMENT.

STEVE ALM, HONOLULU PROSECUTOR.

HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAROL FUKUNAGA.

AND MICHAEL KITCHENS IS THE FOUNDER AND PRIMARY ADMINISTRATOR FOR STOLEN STUFF HAWAII.

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