>> IT'S BEEN DUBBED THE SILVER TSUNAMI, AS A RECORD NUMBER OF AMERICANS, LED BY THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION, ENTER RETIREMENT AGE.

THIS SHIFT IN DEMOGRAPHI..

CAUSING ECONOMIC AND SOCIETAL CH.. IS THE GREATER DEMAND FOR HEALTHCARE AND LONG-TERM.. SERVICES.

AND AS PEOPLE CONTINUE TO LIVE LONG..

BEING DONE IN HAWAI'I TO HELP OUR KUPUNA?

TONIGHT'S .. BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS .. NOW.

>> Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I...I'M DARYL HUFF.

PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE LIVING LONGER.

ACCORDING TO THE C-D-C, HAWAI'I HAS THE HIGHEST AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY AMONGST MEN AND WOMEN IN THE NATION, AT JUST UNDER 81-YEARS OLD.

THE COST OF LIVING HERE IS ALREADY THROUGH THE ROOF, AND IF YOU'RE A SENIOR, THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ON A FIXED BUDGET.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE FACING OUR KUPUNA.

WITH OLDER ADULTS REPRESENTING NEARLY A QUARTER OF THE STATE POPULATION, THERE'S A DIRE NEED FOR MORE LONG-TERM CARE OPTIONS.

TONIGHT, WE'RE ASKING OUR PANEL IF ENOUGH IS BEING INVESTED TOWARDS OUR KUPUNA?

HOW CAN WE HELP THEM?

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND YOU'LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

CAROLINE CADIRAO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE'S EXECUTIVE OFFICE ON AGING.

THE AGENCY IS IN CHARGE OF COORDINATING A STATEWIDE SYSTEM OF ELDER CARE AND CAREGIVER SUPPORT SERVICES IN HAWAI'I.

KEALI'I LOPEZ IS THE STATE DIRECTOR OF AARP HAWAI'I.

AARP OR THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RETIRED PERSONS, IS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT FOCUSES ON ISSUES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE AGE 50 AND OLDER.

KATHLEEN WYATT IS A REGISTERED NURSE AND A LICENSED NURSING HOME ADMINISTRATOR.

SHE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE HAWAI'I FAMILY CAREGIVER COALITION AND RUNS HALE HAU'OLI HAWAI'I, A NON-PROFIT THAT PROVIDES SERVICES TO THE ELDERLY AND THEIR CAREGIVERS.

AND BROOKS BAEHER, A FORMER BROADCASTER AND COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONAL, WHO LIKE COUNTLESS PEOPLE IN HAWAI'I, STRUGGLED TO CARE FOR AND FIND THE APPROPRIATE CARE FOR HIS AGING MOTHER THAT THE FAMILY COULD AFFORD.

>> BROOKS, WHAT DO YOU THINK PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH?

THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM TO PLAN.

I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD TAP INTO THE WONDERFUL RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE GROWING OLD ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS OVERNIGHT.

IT HAPPENS GRADUALLY.

WE DO HAVE A CHANCE TO PLAN FOR IT.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT THAT'S THE CASE, IT KIND OF CREEPS UP ON YOU, AND IT'S THERE.

ONCE IT GETS THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO.

IT'S OVERWHELMING.

IT'S EXPENSIVE.

IT'S REALLY TIME CONSUMING.

IT'S WHAT YOU CARE ABOUT SO MUCH.

YOU MAKE THE SACRIFICES YOU HAVE TO, TO GET THAT DONE.

PREP FOR IT FINANCIALLY AND KNOW WHAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE.

>> Daryl: TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR YOU MOM.

>> YEAH.

FIRST OF ALL, I GOT TO SAY ABOUT MY MOM, SHE WAS AN IN-- SHE WAS AN INCREDIBLE WOMAN.

INCREDIBLY SMART, INCREDIBLY INCREDIBLY STRONG.

INCREDIBLY INDEPENDENT.

SHE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT.

LEANED ON FAMILY WHEN SHE HAD TO, BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING STRANGERS CARE FOR HER WAS NOT SOMETHING SHE EMBRACED, I DON'T THINK.

AND SO THE OLDER SHE GOT, AND AS THINGS LIKE MEMORY AND WHATNOT STARTED TO SLIP, SHE LEANED ON FAMILY MORE AND MORE.

AND I WAS THE ONLY SON IN THE ISLANDS.

I HAVE A SISTER WHO LIVES ON THE MAINLAND WHO WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE WHENEVER SHE COULD BE AND WOULD TRAVEL OUT HERE AND SPEND TIME WITH US AND CARE FOR MY MOM.

AND I HAVE A WIFE WHO DID EVERYTHING SHE COULD.

ONE THING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO GROW OLD, THEY WILL RELY ON AND TRUST PEOPLE THEY'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH.

SHE'D KNOWN ME SINCE DAY ONE, SO SHE LEANED ON ME A LOT.

>> Daryl: KATHLEEN WYATT, HOW DOES BROOKS' STORY RING WITH YOU?

HOW COMMON IS WHAT HE WENT THROUGH?

>> TRYING TO FIND RESOURCES IS VERY COMMON.

A LOT OF US DO CAREGIVER WORKSHOPS AND DO PRESENTATIONS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE FOR YOU.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T GET TO MORE PEOPLE.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE.

>> Daryl: KEALI'I LOPEZ FROM AARP, WHERE IS THERE THIS BIG GAP IN WHAT PEOPLE KNOW AND DON'T SEEM TO KNOW.

EVERY TIME I TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT CAREGIVING ISSUES, IT COMES UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

>> IT'S PARTLY WHAT BROOKS MENTIONED.

IT CREEPS UP ON PEOPLE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO FROM A PARENT OR SPOUSE WHO'S DOING WELL AND, BOOM, THEY NEED ASSISTANCE RIGHT AWAY.

SO PART OF THAT IS THE ANXIETY THAT COMES INTO THAT.

AND A LITTLE BIT OF PANIC AT TIMES.

BEGIN TO USE THEIR OWN PERSONAL NETWORK RATHER THAN REACHING OUT.

I'M 100% WITH YOU.

I THINK THERE IS MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF RESOURCES.

IS THERE ENOUGH?

NO.

BUT A GOOD PART OF THAT IS WHAT BROOKS' FOLKS DID, WHICH IS OFTENTIMES, BEING ABLE TO LEAN ON FAMILY, AND YOUR HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS HELP CARE FOR.

IF YOU'VE GOT FOLKS THAT CAN DO THAT, MY MOTHER WHO PASSED WHEN SHE WAS 85.

FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, MY ENTIRE FAMILY TOOK CARE OF MOM.

>> Daryl: SOUNDS LIKE A NICE, HEALTHY FAMILY.

>> RIGHT.

NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT.

SOME KUPUNA ARE HERE ON THEIR OWN AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE IN THE MAINLAND.

THERE'S A BROAD RANGE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW PEOPLE KNOWING ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE.

ONE -- AND CAROLINE CAN TALK TO THIS, WHICH IS SERVICES THAT EACH OF THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS HAVE.

ANOTHER IS A PROGRAM CALLED CARE SIFT.

THERE MAY BE OTHERS LIKE THAT.

BUT WE DO WORKSHOPS, AND THEY'VE PARTICIPATED WITH US.

IT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S A RANGE OF SERVICES.

>> Daryl: I CAN FEEL BROOKS NODDING AWAY.

YOU CAN FIND AN AGENCY THAT CAN HELP YOU.

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I FELT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH.

DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH?

WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND LEG WORK OURSELVES.

WE STARTED WITH IN-HOME CARE AND BROUGHT PEOPLE IN.

IF YOU THINK THAT'S EXPENSIVE, WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT STEPS.

RESIDENTIAL CARE.

IT REALLY GETS EXPENSIVE.

BY THE TIME I FIGURED IT OUT, I STUMBLED UPON CARE SIFT, AND I WISHED I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THEM EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

>> Daryl: CAROLINE CADIRAO, OFFICE OF ELDERLY AFFAIRS, RIGHT?

>> EXECUTIVE OFFICE.

>> Daryl: EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF AGING.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ADDRESS THIS GAP?

IS THIS A JOB FOR GOVERNMENT?

>> THAT'S WHAT THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE ON AGING DOES.

OUR MISSION IS OPTIMIZE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OLDER ADULTS.

WE DO THAT THROUGH PROGRAMS, POLICY DEVELOPMENT, COORDINATION OF SERVICES AND DEVELOPMENT OF WAYS OF HELPING OLDER ADULTS.

I'M LISTENING TO THE STORIES, AND EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND IT REALLY RESONATES BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT -- AND ONE OF MY GOALS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS IS HOW DO WE ELEVATE THAT EDUCATION PIECE AND THAT KNOWLEDGE PIECE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.

LIKE BROOKS SAID, IT COMES UP ON YOU.

IT CREEPS UP ON YOU.

IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED, WE HAVE A LOT OF CALLS THAT COME TO OUR OFFICE ON AGING.

IT'S FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE WAITED TOO LONG.

AND NOW THEY'RE IN CRISIS.

HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT SO## MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THAT EDUCATION >> Daryl: A CALLER -- I'M GETTING CALLS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF CALLS, AND I WANT TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN.

MELISSA ASKED, IS THERE A ONE-STOP SHOP TO GET INFORMATION?

HOW DO WE FIND OUT WHAT WE NEED?

>> FROM THE PUBLIC SERVICES AND SUPPORTS, THEY CAN THE AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTER.

808-643-2372.

THE AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTER IS BASICALLY, HOW MAY I HELP YOU?

WE LISTEN TO THEIR STORY.

>> Daryl: SAY THE NUMBER AGAIN AND REMIND ME AT THE END OF THE SHOW, YOU'RE SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN.

>> I WILL.

>> Daryl: WHO THAT IS, WHAT THE ..

IT AGAIN.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.

>> THAT'S OKAY.

SO IT'S AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTER.

WE HAVE SITES ON ALL OUR ISLANDS.

THEY CAN CALL THERE.

THE NUMBER IS 808-643-2372.

AND THEY WILL HELP TO GUIDE YOU AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE ASK, DO YOU HAVE TIME TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS?

WE FIND OUT WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS?

WHAT ARE THEIR PREFERENCES.

ARE THEY IN NEED NOW?

WE REALLY TRY TO HELP THEM TO NAVIGATE THAT, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND TRY TO ADDRESS IT WITH PUBLICLY FUNDED SERVICES AND SUPPORT OR THEY HAVE MEANS TO PAY FOR SERVICES.

WE'LL HELP TO DIRECT THEM TO VARIOUS RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> Daryl: KATHLEEN, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

AND ALSO, BROOKS MADE A MENTION OF HOW, THERE'S IN-HOME CARE AND THERE'S AN INSTITUTIONAL CARE LIKE ASSISTED LIVING AND NURSING HOME AND MAYBE CARE HOME.

THERE'S DIFFERENT CHOICES.

HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH ONE TO ASK ABOUT EVEN?

>> WELL, I'M AN PROPONENT FOR ADULT DAY CARE, WHICH IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL THING FOR SOMEONE THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE DURING THE DAY WHILE THEIR LOVED ONES GO TO WORK OR DO THEIR THING WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

THERE'S DIFFERENT RUNGS OF THE LADDER.

FIRST THING IS IF THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO LIVE AT HOME, AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT FUNCTIONAL, THEY CAN BE IN A WHEELCHAIR.

THEY CAN GO TO ADULT DAY CARE.

KEEP BUSY.SOCIALIZE, KEEP ACTIVE, WHICH SLOWS DOWN THE DECLINE ACTUALLY.

AND WHEN THEY CAN NO LONGER COME TO ADULT DAY CARE, THEY MIGHT THINK ABOUT IN-HOME CARE, AND AFTER THAT ABOUT CARE HOMES OR FOSTER HOMES.

AND LONG-TERM CARE.

>> Daryl: WHERE IS ADULT DAY CARE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHERE IF IS AND HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT?

DO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT?

>> WE HAVE FACILITIES ON## ALL THE ISLANDS.

MOST ARE HERE ON OAHU.

IN CAROLINE'S GROUP CAN GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO FIND.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE ADULT DAY CENTERS OF HAWAI'I.

I HAVE ALL THE NAMES AND NUMBERS.

AND I'VE PUT THAT ON MY WEBSITE.

# INFORMATION.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

I'M A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BUT I HAVE TO PAY THE RENT AND STAFF.

>> Daryl: THERE'S COMMUNITY CENTERS.

>> SENIOR CENTERS.

>> Daryl: REC CENTER.

IS THERE MUCH OF THAT AVAILABLE THAT SOMEONE COULD USE THAT AS A STEP TOWARDS ADULT DAY CARE OR IS ADULT DAY CARE AN INSTITUTIONALIZED SYSTEM?

INSTITUTIONALIZED IN A GOOD WAY.

>> IT'S NOT AN INSTITUTION.

>> Daryl: IT'S A SYSTEM THAT EXISTS CALLED ADULT DAY CARE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE REFERRING YOU TO A COMPANY?

>> THE SENIOR CENTERS ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL VERY INDEPENDENT.

AND DON'T HAVE HEALTH ISSUES.

THEY HAVE HEALTH ISSUES BUT DON'T HAVE DEBILITATING HEALTH ISSUES.

>> Daryl: THAT'S THE DISTINCTION I'M HOPING WE CAN MAKE SO PEOPLE GO, WHEN MOM GETS TO X, THIS WAS THE THING AND THAT WAS HELPFUL.

KEALI'I, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE ANXIOUS TO -- >> NO, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

WITH THE SENIOR CENTERS, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET THERE ON THEIR OWN.

IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ENGAGE.

KATHLEEN TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TERM ISOLATION.

OR THE DEGREE TO WHICH PEOPLE ENGAGE.

ISOLATION IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS FOR COGNITIVE DECLINE FOR ANYONE, BUT AS PEOPLE GET OLDER.

SO HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY, EVEN IF THEY ARE CARED FOR AT HOME, IF THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE # IT'S ADULT DAY CARE OR SOCIALIZE WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS, INTERACTING WITH OTHER INDIVIDUALS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT.

>> Daryl: BROOKS, AT SOME POINT WHERE YOUR MOM, DID YOU TRY THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE LOOK AT THE GAMUT, REALLY.

I LIVE ON THE WINDWARD SIDE.

WE WENT TO A PLACE ON THE WINDWARD SIDE AND WE VISITED IT.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHAT THE SETUP IS, SOMEONE WILL SERVE A LUNCH IF YOU TAKE THEM TO THE DAY.

THERE ARE COMMON AREAS.

THERE ARE TELEVISIONS, PEOPLE CAN TAKE A NAP.

IT'S STILL NOT YOUR HOUSE.

YOU MIGHT STILL NOT BE AS COMFORTABLE AS YOU ARE AT HOME.

SO AGING AT HOME IS WHAT WE OPTED FOR.

THAT WAS BRING SOMEONE IN FOUR HOURS A DAY.

I'D GO IN THE MORNING, MAKE BREAKFAST.

MAKE SURE THERE WAS SOME LUNCH.

I'D GO OFF TO WORK.

SOMEONE WOULD COME FOR FOUR HOURS AND I'D TAKE CARE OF DINNER, MEDICATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S A PROGRESSION.

SLEEPING ON THE COUCH, THAT DOESN'T BECOME SOMETHING YOU CAN DO LONG TERM.

YOU NEED SOME SLEEP TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK.

THAT'S WHEN YOU GO RESIDENTIAL.

AND WHEN YOU GO RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS.

THERE'S ASSISTED LIVING, THERE'S MEMORY CARE.

SOMEONE WHO'S BEDRIDDEN.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS WHICH COME AT DIFFERENT COST TIERS.

# ELLEN WHO SAYS, HOW IMPORTANT IS CONTINUED SOCIAL CONTINUE?

CARD GAMES, MAHJONG, QUILTING, GARDENING, ET CETERA.

I HAVE ANOTHER CALLER WHO SAYS, WE NEED RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION FOR KUPUNA TO USE FOR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS, RUN ERRANDS.

WE HAVE HANDI-VAN.

ARE THOSE ADEQUATE?

WE HAVE OTHER SYSTEMS.

CAN YOU RELY ON THAT TO GET MOM AND DAD TO THE SOCIAL ACTIVITY AND MAYBE HAVE RELIEF IF YOU'RE TRY TO GO TO WORK?

>> I'LL JUMP IN HERE.

THE FIRST ONE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO STAY SOCIALLY ACTIVE.

WE'VE KNOWN THROUGH THE PANDEMIC HOW ISOLATED OLDER ADULTS BECAME.

WE'VE SEEN THE OUTCOMES FROM THAT.

ON THING WE LEARNED IS MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE STAY SOCIALLY CONNECTED.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

AS FAR AS TRANSPORTATION, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE DO PROVIDE.

THERE IS HANDI-VAN.

THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION WE PROVIDE THROUGH OUR SERVICE PROVIDER, PUBLICLY FUNDED SERVICES AND SUPPORT.

WE'RE STARTING TO DO NEW PILOTS.

ONE THING WE LEARNED ABOUT THE PANDEMIC, BE A LITTLE MORE NIMBLE IN HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING AND DEVELOPING PROGRAM.

THERE'S A PROGRAM BEING PILOT TESTED NOW.

# THEY'RE USING LYFT AND UBER TO PROVIDE A VERY SMALL SEGME..

THE POPULATION.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVEN OUR NEIGHBOR ISLANDS ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

FUNDING?

THE ACTUAL RIDE?

>> YES.

>> Daryl: QUICK PERSONAL STORY.

FOR MY MOM, THE CAREGIVER DOESN'T DRIVE.

HASN'T GOT HER LICENSE.

BUT MY SISTER SET HER UP ON LYFT.

ANY TIME YOU NEED A LIFT, USE THAT ACCOUNT AND BOOM, YOU'RE THERE.

IT'S, LIKE, $15.

IT'S WAY CHEAPER THAN A CAB RIDE.

I THINK THIS IS -- WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND NOW IS WHEN WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.

ERIC IN KAILUA ASKED, PLEASE TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR FAMILIES TO PLAN FOR FUTURE CARE.

THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

KNOWLEDGE MATTERS.

ANYONE CAN PITCH IN.

WHEN DO YOU HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?

OLDER PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THIS CONVERSATION, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT REALLY NEEDS TO START AS SOON AS -- THE EARLIER THE BETTER.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A TIME IT'S TOO SOON.

YOU CAN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE WHO YOU CARE FOR IS VERY YOUNG AND VERY CAPABLE.

AND SOMETHING TRAGIC HAPPENS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY NEED CARE.

SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, LET'S WAIT UNTIL MOM HAS A HARD TIME WALKING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THE SOONER THE BETTER.

AROUND WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE IDEAL FOR THEM.

ABOUT TOO IS THE FINANCIAL PLANNING.

FOR SOME, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE.

LUCKILY IN OUR CASE, MY MOM WAS ABLE TO AGE IN HER OWN HOME.

WE WERE THE FREE LABOR.

WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD HER TO BE IN A FACILITY.

BUT IN OUR CASE, SHE MAY NOT HAVE LIVED FOR AS LONG AS SHE HAD, I DON'T THINK, FOR THAT.

>> Daryl: REALLY QUICKLY, I GOT ANOTHER CALLER ON THE SAME SUBJECT.

HOW DO YOU START THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS?

DO YOU NEED A PEG?

LIKE, OH, DAD, IT'S TIME TO GIVE ME YOUR CAR KEYS, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS OTHER STUFF?

BROOKS, DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR MOM ABOUT THIS -- >> I WAS REALLY LUCKY.

MY MOM WAS PROGRESSIVE.

>> Daryl: SHE BROUGHT IT UP.

>> 30 YEARS AGO.

>> SHE HAD THE ADVANCED HEALTHCARE DIRECTIVE.

WE KNEW WHICH WAY TO GO.

WE KNEW WHAT HER WISHES WERE.

WE WERE FORTUNATE IN THAT REGARD.

BUT WHEN SOMEONE HAS MEMORY PROBLEMS AND THEY START SUFFERING FROM DEMENTIA, THAT STUFF SLIPS.

YOU GOT TO HAVE IT ON PAPER, HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.

YOU TALKED, KEALI'I, DO IT SOON.

THERE'S NO MAGICAL AGE.

>> Daryl: MAYBE AFTER THIS PROGRAM.

[LAUGHTER] >> DARYL, AS SOON AS MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY, I WAS IMMEDIATELY IN TOUCH WITH AN ATTORNEY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SET UP WITH MY WIFE.

I'LL BE 62 IN A FEW DAYS.

72 IF I'M LUCKY SOME DAY.

>> Daryl: CHECK YOUR PULSE.

[LAUGHTER] >> HAVE KATHY DO IT.

>> Daryl: GO AHEAD.

>> I'D LIKE TO ADD, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR FAMILIES TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I WOULD TELL THE VIEWERS, MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T STARTED PLANNING.

OPEN THAT CONVERSATION UP WITH YOUR CHILDREN OR NIECE OR NEPHEW OR WHOEVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

WHO YOU TRUST.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT EDUCATE YOURSELF.

THERE'S A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS OUT THERE.

THERE'S THINGS AROUND PLANNING.

LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATIONS.

GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEED AND -- >> Daryl: YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK KATHLEEN TO VISIT ON THIS BECAUSE IT STRIKES ME THAT IF YOU, AS AN ELDERLY PERSON BRING IT UP, THAT'S GOING TO BE A RELIEF TO YOUR CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY TERRIFIED OF THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT UP TO YOU.

KATHLEEN, WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED?

IS THERE SOME THINGS THAT ARE EASY AND MOVE TO NEXT LEVEL OF WHAT'S HARDER?

HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT IN A CONVERSATION OR PROCESS OF CONVERSATION?

>> MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS MY FOLKS SAID THEY NEVER WANTED TO GO TO A NURSING HOME.

>> Daryl: THEY SAY THAT BUT WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

>> THAT'S WHY I BECAME A NURSE.

I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GO TO A NURSING HOME.

THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

THEY WERE -- THEY HAD EVERYTHING PLANNED OUT FOR US.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SON SAYING BECAUSE THEY WERE SO ORGANIZED.

BUT I AGREE THAT, LIKE I SHOULD BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH MY DAUGHTER.

OKAY.

IT'S TIME TO DO THAT.

>> Daryl: YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET?

>> NO.

I'VE BEEN REMISS ON PAPERWORK AS WELL.

THE ADVANCED DIRECTIVE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> Daryl: IF SOMEBODY IN YOUR POSITION IS IN THAT, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE EMBARRASSED ABOUT YOURSELVES.

>> THERE'S THAT WHOLE THING WHERE ACCOMPLISHED CHILDREN GO WITHOUT SHOES.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS AARP HAS A CAREGIVER CHECKLIST.

GO TO AARP.org AND SEARCH FOR CAREGIVER RESOURCES, AND IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT ACTUALLY WALKS YOU THROUGH THE TYPE OF THINGS YOU WANT TO PREPARE FOR AND LOOK AT.

THERE'S ONE RELATED TO FINANCES AND ANOTHER RELATED TO CAREGIVING.

THERE IS A LOT OF RESOURCES.

THE ADULT DISABILITY AND RESOURCE CENTERS ARE AMAZING.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION EARLIER.

FOR THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS, MANY OF THOSE PROVIDERS ARE RESOURCES.

THEY HAVE SERVICE PROVIDERS WHO DO THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE CAPABLE, THERE'S ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN USE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP THEM.

I WILL GO WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEER DRIVERS TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH AND HELP KUPUNA WHEN THEY GO TO THESE -- WHEN THEY GO TO THEIR APPOINTMENTS.

THERE'S A LOT DIFFERENT WAYS, WHETHER IT'S HELPING WITH MEALS ON WHEELS.

SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE TO GIVE BACK AND HELP KUPUNA.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WOULD WANT TO REINFORCE, DARYL.

>> Daryl: GO AHEAD, KATHY.

>> AARP HAS SO MUCH STUFF TO LOOK AT.

# IT'S AMAZING WHAT THEY HAVE, BUT THE ..

EARLIER WAS, HOW DO PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT THIS?

I REALLY THINK THE CATCH ALL WOULD BE TO HAVE A MINI PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ON EVERY TV STATION FREQUENTLY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW IF YOU NEED HELP OR IF YOU'RE A CAREGIVER IN NEED, CALL THIS NUMBER.

>> Daryl: GOES BACK TO ONE-STOP SHOP QUESTION FROM EARLIER.

WHEN YOU START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT?

PARTICULARLY, ARE THERE BLACK HOLES?

BECAUSE I KNOW FINANCES ARE TOUGH BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'RE TELLING YOUR ELDER YOU DIDN'T PLAN FOR RETIREMENT AND NOW WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP YOUR HOUSE.

THINGS LIKES THAT.

ARE THERE -- WHAT ARE THE HARDEST THINGS TO TALK ABOUT?

ANY THOUGHTS AT HOW YOU APPROACH IT?

>> I WOULD SAY PROBABLY DEATH WHAT ARE YOUR WISHES?

HOW YOU WANT TO GO?

I THINK ARE PROBABLY THE HARDEST CONVERSATIONS.

I WOULD SAY CHECK OUT KOKUA NOW.

CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE.

I THINK THEY HAVE ARE LOT OF RESOURCES ON HOW TO APPROACH THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS.

>> I WOULD AGREE.

THAT'S THE HARDEST.

IN OUR CARE FOR OUR MOTHER, SISTERS CAME WHEN THEY COULD FROM MICHIGAN OR HILO.

ALL OF THAT WENT REALLY WELL.

AS SOON AS MOM STARTED CLEARLY BEING AT THE POINT WHERE SHE WASN'T GOING TO BE WITH US FOR LONG, WE ALMOST FELL APART.

AND THE TENSIONS AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN REALLY LIFE, YOU KNOW, LONG DIVISIONS WITHIN OUR FAMILY.

ALL CAME AROUND THAT FINAL DISCUSSION.

EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, EVERYONE'S PERSONAL ISSUES ARE -- SO HAVING FOLKS -- THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, WHETHER IT'S HOSPICE, SERVICES AND SUCH THAT ARE USED TO THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND CAN HELP YOU TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO I THINK THE MAIN THING FOR FOLKS TO REALIZE IS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO ALONE.

THERE REALLY ARE A LOT MORE SERVICES.

SO ONE, DARYL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS SHOW.

THIS IS A WAY THAT PEOPLE FIND OUT AND LEARN.

THERE'S A LOT MORE VISIBILITY AROUND THE ISSUES.

>> Daryl: ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU THINK THAT REALLY DO NEED TO BE DISCUSSED?

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CARE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NURSING HOMES AND ASSISTED LIVING AND SO ON.

DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF WHEN YOU GO STEP INTO THE NEXT STEP INTO THE NEXT STEP?

>> THAT'S PART OF YOUR FINANCIAL PLANNING, I THINK.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO START -- YOU MENTIONED ADULT DAY CARE.

>> Daryl: WE'RE ABOUT TO VISIT AGAIN.

>> FINANCIAL PLANNING FOR THAT PART OF IT, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO BE IN THE PLAZA.

ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF PLACES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE A GOOD FINANCIAL PLAN, A GOOD LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE THAT ACTUALLY PAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY, THE WHOLE FAMILY.

>> Daryl: THE TALK ABOUT MONEY, IS THAT A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE KIND OF FACILITIES PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN OR CAN AFFORD?

>> CAN AFFORD.

IT WILL COME DOWN TO WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD.

THAT'S WHERE THE RANGE -- ONE CALLED ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM A NURSING HOME.

THE COST IS DIFFERENT.

AND THE OTHER ISSUES IS WHETHER MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES WILL REIMBURSE FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.

THE FINANCIAL PLANNING IS IMPORTANTLY.

>> THE FINANCIAL PLANNING, WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE JUMPED ABOUT THIS PART OF CONVERSATION.

WHAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT?

DEATH AND DYING.

THAT'S DIFFICULT.

WHEN YOU HAVE A PARENT WHO IS ACCEPTING OF THAT IS READY.

IN SOME WAYS LOOKING FORWARD TO MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER ADVENTURE AHEAD.

THAT MADE IT EASIER BECAUSE YOU, AS THE CHILD, MOM'S OKAY WITH IT.

DAD'S OKAY WITH IT.

IT'S STILL INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

IT WAS TOUGHER FOR US THAN FOR HER, I'M SURE.

BUT THE FINANCIAL END, IT IS NOT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

IT IS WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD BECAUSE IF YOU TALK ABOUT MOVING INTO A REALLY NICE PLACE AND MAYBE SUPPLEMENT CARE BY BRINGING PEOPLE IN?

WHO HAS $25,000 A MONTH THAT THEY CAN THROW AROUND?

THOSE ARE REAL FIGURES, AND NONE OF US HAVE THAT DISPOSAL INCOME.

>> Daryl: KEALI'I BROUGHT UP THE RESIDENTIAL CARE HOME VERSUS NURSING HOMES AND SO ON.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO BITE ON THIS.

CAN I GET A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THOSE CHOICES AND HOW THEY'RE FINANCED AND HOW MUCH THEY COST.

MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM CARE HOMES, MY WIFE IS FILIPINA AND SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE FILIPINO COMMUNITY.

THERE'S MANY CARE HOMES.

AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY SAY TAKE WHAT YOU GOT A LOT OF TIMES.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSUMPTION?

ARE THOSE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A NICE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY?

>> THEY'RE NOT MORE EXCEPTIVE.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY WOULD TAKE WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE IT'S.

THEY'RE REGULATED.

AGAIN, THERE'S UNLICENSED ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES AND LICENSED ONES.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY TAKE IN.

AND WITH ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE HOME RESIDENTS, THEY'RE STILL ARE PRETTY INDEPENDENT.

THEY STILL MIGHT NEED OVERSIGHT AND CARE, BUT THERE ISN'T WHAT ONE CALLS ACUTE CARE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU REALLY NEED PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICAL SKILLS TO HELP CARE FOR THAT PERSON.

THAT'S PART OF THE RANGE OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES.

AGAIN, AT-HOME, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT'S BEST.

>> IT IS.

THAT'S WHAT OUR PROGRAM REALLY PROMOTE AND ..

IF YOU SCAN A ROOM, THE MAJORITY ARE GOING TO SAY THEY WANT TO STAY AT HOME.

HOW DO WE SUPPORT THAT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROGRAMS AND POLICY AROUND THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN AGE IN PLACE.

>> YEAH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NURSING FACILITIES AND ADULT RESIDENTIAL CARE HOMES.

THE OTHER THING IS HOME AND COMMUNITY BASED SERVICES.

BROOK MENTIONED HAVING PEOPLE COMING INTO YOUR HOME.

THAT'S THE OTHER SPECTRUM OF SERVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE CNA OR SOMEONE WHO COMES BATHE YOUR LOVED ONE.

MAYBE HELP PROVIDE THE MEALS.

THE OTHER ISSUE -- AND THE CHALLENGING, DARYL, IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.

THERE REALLY IS NOT ENOUGH.

WE HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS WHO MAYBE CAN AFFORD, IF NOT NECESSARILY A NURSING HOME OR ASSISTED LIVING.

THEY'RE LIKE, I'M HAPPY TO PAY FOR SOMEONE TO COME INTO MIRE HOME AND HELP CARE FOR MY LOVED ONE, BUT THE WORK FORCE ISN'T THERE.

BUT IT'S FAIR.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO MY FAMILY?

AND OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

OH, REALLY?

OH, NO.

YOU MEAN WHEN?

IS THERE A WAIT?

GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION, HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR THAT?

>> THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.

BECAUSE WORKFORCE ISSUE IS SUCH A HUGE ISSUE, AND IT'S NOT JUST IN YOUR NETWORK IN THE WORK THAT WE DO.

IT'S SYSTEMIC ACROSS DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A LONG-TERM CARE PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THE NEEDS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

AND TRYING -- AND WE'VE MADE NEW PARTNERSHIPS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS TO LOOK AT THAT WORKFORCE ISSUE.

THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.

>> Daryl: YOU ASKED ME TO TALK ABOUT DAY CARE.

BECAUSE I DID JUST GET A CALL FROM NORTH KOHALA.

I'M WONDERING WHY ELDERLY ACTIVITIES HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED.

IT'S A HUGE RESOURCE ON THE BIG ISLAND, BUT WE NEED MORE SUPPORT.

THAT'S MARGO FROM NORTH KOHALA.

IS THAT THE SAME THING?

IS THAT ANOTHER CODE FOR DAY CARE?

>> SOUNDS LIKE SENIOR CENTERS.

>> COUNTY OF HAWAI'I DOES HAVE A STRONG RECREATIONAL COMPONENT.

WELL, ALL FOUR COUNTIES DO, BUT I THING THAT'S WHAT THE PERSON FROM KOHALA WAS TALKING ABOUT.

COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, THEY'RE RESTARTING A LOT OF THAT'S PROBABLY -- AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT -- AND I DID SAY IT EARLIER.

# IF YOU CAN KEEP YOURSELF HEALTHY ..

THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THE NEED FOR ALL THOSE OTHER HEAVIER, MORE EXPENSIVE SERVICES WILL BE A LOT LESS IF YOU KEEP YOURSELF HEALTHY ON THIS END.

>> Daryl: GO AHEAD.

>> HEALTHY AND ACTIVE.

>> Daryl: YEAH.

SO I HAVE A BIG PILE OF VERY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.

SAL, I THOUGHT I COULD CARE FOR MY MOM NEAR THE END OF HER LIFE.

I SAID I COULD DO THIS.

I WAS WRONG.

IT TOOK TWO DAYS, NIGHTS, ABOUT 18 HOURS PER DAY.

I WAS ALREADY STARTING TO GET PHYSICALLY SICK.

FIND THE HELP YOU NEED AND BE WILLING TO ACCEPT HELP.

PLEASE TALK MORE ABOUT THE FAMILY DYNAMICS OF CAREGIVING.

THE TIME IT TAKES, THE COMMITMENT.

MANAGING EMOTIONS.

MONEY IS A KEY ELEMENT BUT THE MENTAL STRAIN AND SHARED ASSISTANCE MATTERS AS WELL.

MANNY.

WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE TO A FAMILY CAREGIVER WHO IS DRAINED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY.

MANY CAN'T AFFORD OTHER OPTIONS.

BUT THE LONGER IT GOES ON, THE MORE DRAINING IT BECOMES.

I'M GETTING REALLY DEPRESSED.

I DON'T MEAN TO JOKE ABOUT THAT.

MANY TIMES WE THINK WE CAN HANDLE CARING FOR OUR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS BUT LEARN FAIRLY QUICKLY HOW CHALLENGING IT IS.

IT'S PHYSICALLY DEMANDING.

AND ADD TO THE DRAIN TO YOUR EMOTIONS.

CAREGIVING IS A FULL-TIME JOB.

AS EASY AS YOU THINK.

BROOKS, I KNOW YOU ARE TOTALLY TRIGGERING ON THAT.

>> THANK YOU TO MY WIFE AND MY SISTER FOR SUPPORTING ME BECAUSE THAT HELPS YOU.

EVEN IF THE SISTER IS NOT THERE, SHE'S A HOSPICE NURSE SO I LUCKED OUT WITH THAT.

SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH IT.

HAVING THAT SUPPORT, HAVING MY BOSS SUPPORT ME.

I'LL GOING TO BE AWAY FROM THE OFFICE.

EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH THIS AT SOME POINT.

PEOPLE CAN RELATE.

BE OPEN AND HONEST AND TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I HOPE YOU CAN BE AS FORTUNATE AS I WAS TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL SUPPORT YOU.

AND UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE HELPING SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND UNDERSTAND THE PRIORITIZATION.

>> Daryl: I WANT TO GIVE YOU CREDIT, BROOKS.

OUR CONVERSATION IS WHAT PROMPTED, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS SHOW.

ALSO CULTURALLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CULTURES THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS DIFFERENTLY.

WILL DEAL WITH THIS DIFFERENTLY.

KEALI'I, THE CULTURE COMPONENT.

I CAN'T TELL A FAMILY THAT IS NOT FROM MY CULTURE HOW THEY SHOULD ACT.

HOW DO WE MESSAGE TO FOLKS THAT AREN'T LIKE US?

>> I THINK THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR MANY OF OUR KUPUNA TO NO LONGER BE INDEPENDENT, RIGHT.

SO BEING SENSITIVE FOR THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO CARE FOR THEM IS THE LAST THING THEY PROBABLY EVER WANTED.

HAVING THAT CONVERSATION EARLY ON BUT BEING SENSITIVE TO THAT ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS DON'T TAKE IT ON ALONE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON IN THIS WORLD WHO CAN CARE FOR A LOVED ONE ON THEIR OWN.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT LIFE EXPERIENCE DOESN'T PREPARE US FOR IS CARING FOR AN ADULT OR PARENT.

VERY DIFFERENT THAN RAISING YOUR OWN CHILDREN AND -- >> Daryl: AND WHEN YOU BECOME THE PARENT AND THEY BECOME THE CHILD, OH, MY GOSH.

>> YOU MAY HAVE PUT YOUR CHILDREN IN TIME-OUT.

WHEN YOU'RE FRUSTRATED, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN TIME-OUT.

MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO THE RESOURCES OUT THERE.

I WOULD PLUG THE ADULT AND DISABLED RESOURCED CENTERS.

ALSO, DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE.

WHY I SAY THAT IF WE'RE NOT AT OUR BEST, WE'RE PROBABLY LESS PATIENT, LESS LOVING THAN WE KNOW WE WANT TO BE.

SO GETTING HELP -- IF YOU'VE GOT A NETWORK, FEEL FINE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

IF I COULD GET PEOPLE TO SEE CARING FOR OTHER PEOPLE AS A GREAT PRIVILEGE AND WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.

DON'T HOG IT.

DON'T HOG IT TO YOURSELF.

REACH OUT TO WHETHER IT'S A FAMILY MEMBER, EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBER, NEIGHBORS.

CHURCH MEMBERS.

GET HELP.

WE TALK ABOUT IN OUR INDUSTRY, RESPITE CARE.

GETTING TIME TO YOURSELF TO GET AWAY.

SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE## EVENTS WHERE IT'S CAREGIVERS, GET LOVED ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS FUN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME GET AWAY FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF.

>> Daryl: KATHLEEN AND CAROLINE, CAN YOU GUYS WEIGH IN ON THAT?

SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT COPING.

>> THOSE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE READING, AND IT'S HOME BECAUSE I'M ALSO A CAREGIVER.

YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION.

IT IS DIFFICULT.

I WOULD SAY DON'T TRY TO HOLD IT ALL IN OR TRY DO IT YOURSELF.

IF YOU HAVE FAMILY OR FRIENDS, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T HAVE FAMILY OR FRIENDS.

THEN REACH OUT AND FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLICLY FUNDED SUPPORT.

IF PEOPLE BELONG TO CHURCH GROUPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE WILLING TO COME AND STAY WITH YOUR LOVED ONE.

IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT OUT.

CAREGIVERS HAVE TO HAVE THAT BREAK.

THEY WILL BREAK THEMSELVES AND THEY'RE NO GOOD IF THEY'RE NOT WHOLE.

THEY REALLY NEED TO GET THAT RESPITE.

>> STATISTICS SHOW THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 50% CAREGIVERS PASS BEFORE THE PEOPLE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF BECAUSE OF STRESS.

THOSE MESSAGES ABOUT PEOPLE STRUGGLING, THERE ARE CAREGIVER SUPPORT GROUPS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THERE ARE VIRTUAL CAREGIVERS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE.

THERE ARE IN-PERSON CARE GROUPS.

YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE BECAUSE YOU HEAR THE SAME STORY.

YOU'RE CRYING AND LAUGHING AND SHARING ALL THESE EXPERIENCES.

IT'S SO CATHARTIC BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT ALONE.

>> Daryl: TELL ME WHO THAT IS.

>> CAREGIVER SUPPORT GROUPS.

I HAVE A VIRTUAL CAREGIVER GROUP.

>> Daryl:## GOOGLE IT?

>> NO.

E-MAIL ME.

[LAUGHTER] AARP.

>> IN THIS CASE, IT'S A FACEBOOK GROUP.

IT'S A AARP CAREGIVER DISCUSSION GROUP.

IT'S FACILITATED BY OUR AARP'S FAMILY CAREGIVER EXPERT, AMY.

WHAT PEOPLE HAVE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

HERE'S WHAT I'M DOING.

I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

I WENT TO SEMINARS WHERE I FOUND THINGS THAT HELPED ME LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON HOW TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

YOU KNOW, MOM NOT WANTING TO EAT CERTAIN FOODS.

HOW TO GET HER TO FEED HERSELF.

YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MESSY BUT LET HER HAVE THAT INDEPENDENCE.

OTHER THING I WANTED TO DOUBLE BACK ON IS DOING IT ALONE.

I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY I DON'T WAN TO BURDEN MY CHILDREN WITH HELPING CARE FOR THEIR GRANDPARENTS.

I'M LIKE, WHEN I TALK ABOUT DON'T HOG IT ALL.

SO IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN, DO NOT -- DO NOT SAY TO YOURSELF, IT'S A BURDEN TO HELP TAKE CARE OF TUTU OR WHOEVER.

IT'S A PRIVILEGE AND IT GIVES WE'RE ALL GOING TO NEED TO LEARN.

IF THERE WERE SUCH A THING AS CAREGIVER LITERACY, THAT'S THE THING.

AT SOME POINT, ALL OF US ARE GOING TO BE CARING FOR A LOVED ONE.

>>> THE SUPPORT, FRIENDS.

THEIR FRIENDS.

MY MOTHER'S FRIENDS.

THEY NOT ONLY GAVE ME SUPPORT, BUT THEY ENGAGED WITH HER.

THEY KEPT HER GOING.

THEY KEPT THEY ARE THINKING.

WHEN YOU'RE ACTIVE, WHEN YOU'RE DOING COGNITIVE THINGS, YOU'RE NOT JUST SITTING THERE WATCHING TV ALL DAY.

WE LOVE TV, DARYL, BUT NOT ALL DAY LONG.

[LAUGHTER] SO THE FRIENDS WERE TERRIFIC.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

AND I HAVEN'T SAID THIS YET AND I PROMISED MYSELF I WOULD SAY THIS SOMETIME TONIGHT.

A BIG MAHALO TO THESE PROFESSIONAL CAREGIVERS WHO WE HAD COMING INTO THE HOME AT SOME POINT.

A LOT WERE MEDICAL STUDENTS HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION, AND THEY WERE EMPLOYED BY THESE VARIOUS GROUPS THAT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO YOUR HOME.

THIRTY-FIVE DOLLARS, $40 AN HOUR.

THE MONEY WELL SPENT.

THEY WERE FANTASTIC.

AND WHEN WE GOT TO THE RESIDENTIAL LEVEL, THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT JOBS.

JOBS THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO OVER THE LONG HAUL.

AND THEY'RE DOING IT WITH LOVE AND CARE AND ATTENTION.

SO A BIG THANK YOU TO THEM THEY WERE WONDERFUL.

THEY'RE A LIFELINE.

>> ANOTHER THING IS THE CAREGIVERS THAT WERE STRUGGLING.

YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD A TEAM.

YOU NEED TO BE ASSERTIVE.

ASK YOUR NEIGHBOR TO COMING OVER FOR AN HOUR SO YOU CAN TAKE A NAP.

OR ASK YOUR COUSIN TO COME OVER TWO HOURS.

LET ME GO TO A MOVIE.

ASK FOR HELP.

DON'T SAY, I'VE GOT TO DO THIS BY MYSELF.

>> Daryl: I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S RESPONDING TO THIS SHOW.

IT'S QUITE TOUCHING.

A VIEWER, 78-YEAR-OLD AND LIVES ALONE.

SEVERAL HEALTHCARE PROBLEMS AND HAD FOUR SURGERIES.

BASICALLY, THEY'RE FACING FORECLOSURE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS NOT PAYING ENOUGH TO PAY BILLS.

IS THERE SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP ME?

>> POSSIBLY LEGAL AID SOCIETY.

>> I WOULD SAY LEGAL AID.

THEY SHOULD CONTACT LEGAL AID.

LEGAL AID, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DO FOR SENIORS AND HAVE A PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE TYPES WAS ISSUES.

AND ALSO FINDING OUT WHETHER THERE ARE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT THE STATE HAS.

SO ATE HAS RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.

DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE.

I THINK LEGAL AID MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THAT PERSON, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOME ASSETS IS HOW MAYBE TAKE THAT EQUITY AND HAVE TO REGRETTABLY MOVE -- >> Daryl: ANYONE CAN HELP PEOPLE WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS?

AS OPPOSED TO TRUST LAWYERS THAT ARE ADVERTISING HOW TO DO THIS OR THAT.

# LEGAL AID MIGHT HELP..

CHALLENGE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO PAY A ATTORNEY, LEGAL AID IS NOT THE PLACE TO GO BECAUSE THEY'RE HELPING PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT ON THEIR OWN.

>> Daryl: TWO QUESTIONS HERE.

THE PATTERN IS STRIKING.

WHAT ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE NO LIVING RELATIVES AND THERE ARE SOME, MANY.

WHAT ABOUT SENIORS WHO DON'T HAVE FAMILIES IN THE ISLANDS TO HELP THEM?

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HAWAII ARE IN THAT SITUATION.

WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH OUR NEIGHBOR.

HER FAMILY ENDED UP COMING OVER.

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

WHAT DO WE DO?

>> THERE'S ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP.

CAREGIVER FOUNDATION IS ANOTHER GROUP THAT HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT GROUPS.

CAREGIVER FOUNDATION HELPS SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE ALONE AND THAT HAVE NO FAMILY.

>> Daryl: CAREGIVER FOUNDATION.

>> THEY CAN GOOGLE THAT.

>> Daryl: IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR -- SEE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN OUR NEIGHBOR HAD A PROBLEM.

WE BASICALLY HELPED UNTIL THE FAMILY GOT HERE.

BECAUSE WE LIKED THE NEIGHBOR.

BUT KNOWING ABOUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

>> WE SAID A COUPLE TIMES, SOMETHING YOU CAN GOOGLE.

WE GOOGLE ALL DAY LONG.

>> Daryl: OLDER PEOPLE DON'T GOOGLE.

THE TECHNOLOGY, WHAT'S THIS?

ANYTHING NEW, ESPECIALLY AS OUR MEMORY STARTS GOING.

THAT PHONE THAT I KNEW HOW TO WORK LAST WEEK IS A CHALLENGE TODAY.

THAT MICROWAVE IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE.

AND GOOGLE.

IT CAN BE A CHALLENGE.

>> Daryl: MY BROTHER PUT INTO MY MOM'S HOUSE AN ALEXA.

YOU KNOW.

IS THERE TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN HELP?

THAT IS EASY AND ACCESSIBLE THAT YOU FOLKS WOULD SUBJECT?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF TELEMEDICINE AND A LOT OF MOVEMENT TOWARD THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE LIVING ALONE OR FOR THOSE THAT MAYBE THEIR FAMILY IS FAR AWAY AND THEY'RE ALONE.

THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO -- LIKE A NANNY CAMP.

BUT I THINK THE LOVED ONE HAS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, FOR ONE.

THOSE ARE TECHNOLOGIES THAT COULD BE USED IN THE FUTURE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.

MAYBE KATHY -- >> I HEARD ABOUT THIS EXCITING THING.

IT'S A TABLET.

AND YOU PROGRAM IT WITH YOUR VOICE.

IT'S GOT A MOTION DETECTOR ON IT.

MOM GETS UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND THE MOTION DETECTOR KNOWS THAT.

# AND THE VOICE GOES OFF AND SAYS MOM, IT'S THE MIDD.. NIGHT.

YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO BED.

OR IN THE AFTERNOON, MOM, IT'S TIME TO TAKE YOUR GREEN PILL.

OR EAT LUNCH.

I THINK THAT'S EXCITING.

SO WE'RE GETTING A FLOW OF STUFF.

SOME IS VERY HELPFUL.

HAWAI'I HOME SHARE PROGRAM IS A NONPROFIT THAT CAN HELP PLACE KUPUNA WITH YOUNGER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AT NO COST TO SENIORS.

STEVE FROM MANOA.

WHAT'S THAT?

>> A PROGRAM WHERE SO THAT GENTLEMAN WHO -- >> Daryl: HAWAI'I HOME SHARE PROGRAM.

>> YEAH.

THEY WILL ACTUALLY VET THE PARTICIPANTS.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR HOME AND YOU NEED CARE, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE MOVE IN WITH YOU WHO'S VETTED.

WHO YOU AND THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER ON WHAT WAYS TO HAVE YOU BE ALL TO STAY AT HOME.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE LITERALLY CAREGIVER OR THEY COULD BE.

AS WE KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS FOR MANY FOLKS IS FINDING SOMEWHERE AFFORDABLE TO LIVE.

A PROGRAM LIKE THAT MAKES IT REALLY IDEAL TO KIND OF GET PEOPLE NETWORKED.

>> Daryl: I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO REAFFIRM WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

WHEN MY MOTHER WAS BEDRIDDEN, I ARRANGED FOR HER FRIENDS TO SPEND TIME WITH HER.

NOT EVERYONE COULD BUT SOME DID.

THE SPARK OF LIFE DURING THOSE FEW HOURS OF THOSE VISITS WAS PRECIOUS.

FRIENDS WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

JUST ASK.

FROM JERRY.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO THE HANDI-VAN.

THEY'RE A LIFESAVER.

I WOULDN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT IT.

FROM DIAMOND HEAD.

SURE WE COVER IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE MONEY.

I MEAN, WHERE DO THEY START OUT?

WHEN THE KIDS ARE BARELY GETTING BY.

THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN KIDS.

MAYBE THEY HAVE A HOUSE.

MAYBE THEY DON'T.

WHAT ARE RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO PAY REALLY FOR ALMOST ANYTHING?

>> LIVING PAYCHECK -- OR FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.

NOT PAYCHECK.

SOCIAL SECURITY.

WE DO HAVE A LOT IN THE WORKFORCE THAT ARE AGING.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH.

THAT'S WHERE PUBLIC FUNDED SERVICES CAN COME IN.

IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE IN NEED, TO CALL THE AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTER BECAUSE CAN -- WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY -- WE DON'T DIVE INTO FINANCES.

>> Daryl: WHO ARE THEY GOING TO BE TALKING TO WHEN THEY CALL THAT NUMBER?

>> OUR AGING -- WE CALL THEM ADRC SPECIALISTS.

>> Daryl: A GOVERNMENT WORKER?

>> AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AT THE COUNTY WORKER.

WITHIN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU AND NEIGHBOR ISLANDS.

>> Daryl: ARE THEY PLENTY OF THEM?

WILL THEY ANSWER THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY?

>> YOU MAY HAVE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE.

THEY CAN PUT A REFERRAL ON THROUGH ON LINE.

THIS A FAMILY MEMBER OR CAREGIVER.

I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR OUR LIVE ALONES AND THOSE THAT MAYBE # PLACE TO START.

>> ANOTHER ONE THAT I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IS 211.

UNITED WAY HAS THEIR 211 SERVICE.

THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>> Daryl: THEY REALLY RAMPED IT UP DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>> ALOHA UNITED WAY.

AS A NETWORK OF AGENCIES, THEIR 211 PROGRAM IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING PEOPLE WITH INFORMATION OF WHO TO CONNECT WITH AND WHO TO CONTACT.

THE OTHER WOULD BE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES.

A LOT OF KUPUNA, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT ENOUGH, I HOPE THE STATISTICS HAS CHANGED, BUT THERE WAS A POINT WHERE THE DATA SHOWED ONLY 50% OF KUPUNA ELIGIBLE WHO FOR SNAP WERE UTILIZING USING IT.

USED TO BE FOOD STAMPS.

MY THING IS THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD AVAIL THEMSELVES OF.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT BEING AFRAID AND IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE.

AND NOT BEING AFRAID TO ASK FOR HELP.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CAREGIVER NOT WANTING TO ASK FOR HELP.

THE PERSON YOU WANT TO CARE FOR IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMEONE ACTIVELY SEEING SUPPORT.

THE THING IS DON'T DO IT ALONE.

WHETHER YOU'RE A INDIVIDUAL TRYING TO STAY AT HOME AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO REMAIN IN YOUR HOME.

DON'T DO IT ALONE.

>> CIRCLE BACK TO WHAT KEALI'I WAS SAYING.

ESPECIALLY THOSE LIVING ALONE AND THOSE BY THEMSELVES IS DO YOU HAVE A TRUSTED FRIEND?

# CONNECTION WITH SOMEONE?

THEY MAY BE A RESOURCE TO START THERE TOO.

AND MAYBE TOGETHER, YOU CAN GO DOWN THAT JOURNEY.

>> Daryl: A QUICK CONFIRMATION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

I AGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT GRANDKIDS SHOU.. HELP.

IF NOTHING ELSE, IT FURTHERS THE FAMILY BOND AND IT PREPARES THEM FOR HELP THEY MAY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR PARENTS LATER ON.

FROM PAUL AND FINANCING IT.

ARE THERE ENOUGH PEOPLE GOING INTO THE CAREGIVING INDUSTRY?

DOES IT PAY WELL ENOUGH TO ATTRACT PEOPLE?

THIS IS A SOCIETAL THING.

HOW DO WE CREATE AWARENESS?

KIMO ON MAUI.

FAMILY CAREGIVERS ARE NOT PAID AND THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.

IS THERE A RESOURCE TO GIVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO STOP WORKING TO TAKE CARE OF A FAMILY MEMBER SOME MONEY?

>> THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT FOLKS ARE WANTING TO GET -- TO HAVE HAPPEN.

SO I'LL SAY FOR US IN HAWAI'I, OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE WORKING ACTIVELY TO TRY TO GET REIMBURSEMENT.

SOME OF THE CHALLENGES FOR THESE FACILITIES IS THEY TOO RELY ON GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES TO BE ABLE TO HELP COVER THE COST OF WHAT IT COST IN A FACILITY TO CARE FOR SOMEONE.

HAWAI'I AND ALASKA FOR SOME REASON DON'T GET REIMBURSED THE WAY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DOES.

OUR DELEGATION IS WORKING TO TRY TO GET CONGRESS TO AGREE TO DEAL WITH EITHER REIMBURSEMENT ISSUES # IT'S JUST -- THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

THERE'S SO MANY PIECES THAT FIT INTO THAT.

THE OTHER ISSUE IS PASSING LEGISLATION.

GETTING LEGISLATION.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROGRAM.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH ADULT DAY CARE, THERE'S A KUPUNA CARE PROGRAM WHERE FUNDS ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO HELP A FAMILY MEMBER GET REIMBURSED OR COVER THE COST FOR A LOVED ONE TO BE IN FAMILY DAY CARE A LITTLE BIT.

>> Daryl: CAROLINE, TELL ME THE NAME WHERE THEY SHOULD CALL AND GIVE ME THAT NUMBER.

>> THE AGING AND DISABILITY RESOURCE CENTER, AND THE NUMBER IS 808-643-2372.

THAT NUMBER IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

>> Daryl: WE HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.

GOOD JOB.

BROOKS, FROM ALL OF THIS THAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, HOW HELPFUL WOULD IT HAVE BEEN IF YOU WATCHED THIS SHOW 15 YEARS AGO?

>> I WOULD WATCH IT AGAIN ON SUNDAY FOR THE REPLAY.

I WOULD FIND IT ONLINE.

I WOULD BE SITTING THERE WITH A PEN AND PAPER AND WRITE DOWN SOME PHONE NUMBERS AND NAMES OF THE ORGANIZATIONS.

I'D CALL KEALI'I.

I'D CALL KATHLEEN AND CAROLINE.

YOU KNOW, PREPARE, PREPARE, PREPARE AND PRACTICE PATIENCE.

WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BECOME THAT CAREGIVER, THAT WORD PATIENCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN TIME-OUT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR MOM, AND SHE'S STILL THE BOSS.

SO BE PATIENT.

LEARN TO BE PATIENT.

FINANCIALLY.

BUT IT'S SO TOUGH.

>> Daryl: YEAH.

IT'S A VERY INTIMIDATING THING TO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, IF YOU PREPARE, YOU CAN FIND A WAY.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOLKS AND ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS -- ESPECIALLY CAROLINE CADIRAO FROM THE STATE EXECUTIVE OFFICE ON AGING AND KATHLEEN WYATT OF THE HAWAII FAMILY CAREGIVER COALITION.

KEALI'I LOPEZ, STATE DIRECTOR OF AARP HAWAI'I AND FAMILY CAREGIVER BROOKS BAEHR.

THANKS ALL YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST DECISIONS ON HOMELESSNESS IN DECADES.

EARLIER THIS SUMMER THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT PEOPLE CAN BE ARRESTED AND FINED FOR SLEEPING IN PUBLIC SPACES.

WHAT THIS MEANS FOR HAWAI'I AND ITS HOMELESS ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I'M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI'I.

ALOHA!