AFTER WEEKS OF CAMPAIGNING, THE BALLOTS ARE IN FOR THE PRIMARY ELECTION.

SO DID HAWAII VOTERS SHOW UP?

WE’LL TAKE A LOOK AT TURNOUT ACROSS THE STATE AND ANY VOTING ISSUES THAT POPPED UP.

PLUS, WITH SEVERAL HOTLY CONTESTED RACES, WHO WON AND WHO LOST?

FOR THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE ADVANCING TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, THE FIGHT ISN’T OVER YET AS THEY GET READY TO FACE NEW OPPONENTS IN NOVEMBER.

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII START NOW.

¶¶ ¶¶ >>Daryl: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.

I'M DARYL HUFF.

AFTER A RECORD VOTER TURNOUT IN THE 2020 PRIMARY ELECTION, THE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR’S PRIMARY DROPPED.

OF THE MORE THAN 853,000 REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE STATE, ONLY ABOUT 40 PERCENT CAST BALLOTS, ABOUT 338,000 VOTERS.

THAT’S ACTUALLY MORE THAN OTHER NON‑PRESIDENTIAL YEARS, BUT THERE ARE SUSPICIONS VOTING WAS SUPPRESSED BY NASTY CAMPAIGNING AND OUT‑OF‑CONTROL PAC SPENDING.

TONIGHT WE’LL BREAK DOWN SATURDAY’S ELECTION RESULTS AND WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FOR NOVEMBER.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVESTREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.

JOURNALIST CATHERINE CRUZ IS WITH HAWAII PUBLIC RADIO.

SHE’S THE HOST OF “THE CONVERSATION” AND A MEMBER OF HPR’S NEWS TEAM.

SHE PREVIOUSLY WORKED AS A TELEVISION REPORTER FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS AT KITV.

COLLEEN UECHI IS THE MANAGING EDITOR OF THE MAUI NEWS WHICH IS A DAILY NEWSPAPER THAT COVERS ISSUES HAPPENING ON MAUI, LANAI AND MOLOKAI.

SHE GREW UP ON OAHU AND INTERNED AT THE MOLOKAI DISPATCH PAPER BEFORE JOINING THE MAUI NEWS.

CHAD BLAIR IS THE POLITICS AND OPINION EDITOR FOR THE ONLINE, INVESTIGATIVE NEWS WEBSITE HONOLULU CIVIL BEAT.

HE’S BEEN A WRITER, EDITOR AND TEACHER FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS IN HONOLULU.

AND POLITICAL ANALYST COLIN MOORE IS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC POLICY CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII AT MANOA.

START BY TALKING ABOUT ANY SURPRISES WE HAD.

I'LL START WITH YOU.

WHAT IF ANYTHING CAUGHT YOU BY SURPRISE BY ELECTION NIGHT.

>> I WASN'T SURPRISED.

I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT DIDN'T SURPRISE ME I TALKED TO MORE THAN A FEW VOTERS WHO SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PULL A REPUBLICAN TICKET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH ADVERTISING ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

>>Daryl: YOU GUYS HAD A HOTLY CONTESTED MAYOR'S RACE.

WAS THERE SURPRISE THERE AT THE END?

>> THERE WAS A SURPRISE A SENSE.

WASN'T ENTIRELY UNFORESEEN.

RICK WHEN HE FIRST ANNOUNCED HE WAS GOING RUN FOR MAYOR.

EVERYBODY POLITICAL TOOK A HIT.

>>Daryl: KELLY KING.

MAUI OFTEN BREAKS ENVIRONMENTALIST AND MORE CONSERVATIVE.

KELLY DIDN'T FINISH IN THE TOP TWO.

>> SURPRISE.

IT WAS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THOUGHT.

REPRESENTED PROGRESSESSIVE VOTE RAN AT CLIMATE CHANGE MAYOR.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE FINISHED HIGHER.

SHE MENTIONED FILED EARLIER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY.

FILED ON DEADLINE JUNE 7.

SO LITTLE PERHAPS THE OTHER CANDIDATES.

>>Daryl: WHAT ABOUT YOU?

ANY SURPRISES?

>> YEAH, ACTUALLY, I WAS.

SURPRISED THAT JILL TOKUDA WON AS HANDILY AS SHE DID OVER PAT BRONCO.

LANDSLIDE.

NEGATIVE ADS MIGHT CHIP AWAY SOME PRETTY SMART PEOPLE I KNOW THOUGHT PAT MIGHT SURPRISE PEOPLE.

SAME GOES FOR THE LG RACE.

I THOUGHT IKAIKA ANDERSON MIGHT PULL IT OFF.

SYLVIA PULLED IT OUT SOLID TEN POINTS.

>>Daryl: KIND OF SURPRISED BIT SIZE OF JOSH GREEN'S VICTORY.

WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO?

>> JOSH GREEN HAD EVERYTHING GOING FOR HIM.

MOST OF THE UNION ENDORSEMENTS.

DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN VICKY CAYETANO BUT HAD ENOUGH MONEY.

THING THAT SURPRISED ME ABOUT GOVERNOR'S RACE HOW STABLE GREEN'S LEAD HAS BEEN THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

EARLY POLLS IN JANUARY SAW HIM AT ABOUT 60%.

WHAT WE GOT ON ELECTION NIGHT.

THING ABOUT JOSH GREEN SO INTERESTING IS A LOT OF MAINLAND STATES, IF YOU WERE THE FACE OF THE COVID RESPONSE THAT COULD HAVE ENDED YOUR POLITICAL CAREER.

FOR JOSH GREEN, I THINK PEOPLE DECIDED FACTOR IN COVID, THIS IS THE GUY WE WANT.

THE PERSON WE TRUST.

HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO A WHOLE LOT AFTER THAT.

IN PEOPLE'S HOMES.

>> SOMETHING HE OFTEN LIKED TO EMPHASIZE.

RAN A CAMPAIGN REALLY STAYED ON‑BRAND.

PEOPLE MADE FUN OF JOSH GREEN FOR ALWAYS WEARING THE SCRUBS AND TALKING ABOUT BEING A DOCTOR.

BECAME A BIT OF A JOKE.

GIVE JOSH GREEN CREDIT.

VERY DISCIPLINED CANDIDATE.

THAT WAS HIS BRAND.

HE STAYED WITH THE COMFORTING FAMILY MAN DOCTOR THE WHOLE CAMPAIGN.

>>Daryl: YOU MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE WERE TELLING YOU THAT THEY WERE DISGUSTED WHAT WAS GOING ON.

WHAT WERE THINGS THEY WERE TELLING YOU ABOUT.

>> DIDN'T LIKE ADS.

>> INCESSANT.

EVERY THREE MINUTES, SEEMED LIKE, SAME ONE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I THINK IT BACKFIRED.

>>Daryl: DO YOU THINK ALSO THE WAY CANDIDATES RELATED TO EACH OTHER WHEN THEY WERE TOGETHER, SNIPE AT EACH OTHER AND COMMENTS.

>> YES.

I THINK CHAD BLAIR, TALKING ABOUT HOW DURING THE FIRST DEBATE, JUST GOING AT IT.

KAI KAHELE AND JOSH GREEN.

SET THE TONE FOR THE REST OF THE ELECTION?

>>Daryl: INTERESTING BECAUSE UNLIKE IKIAKA ANDERSON, PAT DID ATTACK JILL EARLY ON THE SAME PLATFORM.

NRA ENDORSEMENT.

ANDERSON DID NOT TAKE THAT PATH AT ALL.

DID NOT DENOUNCE THOSE ADS.

LATE IN THE CAMPAIGN, PAT CHANGED TUNE.

>>Daryl: REALLY LATE.

>> REALLY LATE.

ONE ABOUT THE SCHOOL SHOOTING IN TEXAS.

EVEN THOUGH THAT HAD ALREADY RUN.

BY THEN, REALLY TOO LATE.

THAT SNIPING, YEAH, I'LL ADMIT TO ENJOYING THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THINK THAT BRINGS OUT MANY WAYS TRUE CHARACTER.

HE SHOWS YOUR TEMPERAMENT.

>>Daryl: MAUI PERSPECTIVE, MAUI SEEMED LIKE WELL SPRING OF ANGER.

CAME OUT ELECTION DAY AT THE VOTING CENTER FOR EXAMPLE.

DO YOU GET THAT SAME SENSE ON MAUI, PEOPLE KIND OF DISGUSTED WITH POLITICS?

>> DEFINITELY SOME FRUSTRATION.

SAW THAT EARLY ON WHEN THERE WAS A RECALL EFFORT TO TRY AND BOOT VICTORINO OUT OF OFFICE.

DIDN'T GET ENOUGH SIGNATURE.

SO CLOSE TO THE ELECTION, VOTE SOON.

DECIDE THEN.

OTHER PART IS JUST I THINK THERE WAS FRUSTRATION BUT PERHAPS NOT ENOUGH TO CREATE POLITICAL CHANGE.

MULTIPLE CANDIDATES DID RUN BECAUSE THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT MANDATES.

PERHAPS DIDN'T DO SO WELL AS THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT HAVE.

>>Daryl: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT KAI KAHELE DID SO POORLY.

>> WELL, I MEAN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASON.

FIRST, HE HAD FAR LESS MONEY THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.

OF COURSE, HE MISSED THE DEADLINE IT ACQUIRE PUBLIC FUNDING.

WHAT HE HAD BUILT HIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN NARRATIVE AROUND.

THAT WAS A HUGE DISADVANTAGE.

I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO BE ON TELEVISION.

BIG AD BUYS.

DIDN'T HAVE THAT NEGATIVE PRESS COVERAGE.

PROXY VOTING.

SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES REALLY HURT HIS CAMPAIGN EARLY ON WHEN PEOPLE WERE REALLY GETTING TO KNOW WHO KAI KAHELE WAS.

I THINK THAT HURT HIM OUT OF THE GATE.

THE MONEY IN PARTICULAR, DIDN'T HIMSELF ANY FAVOR SOMETIMES ABOUT BEING REALLY AGGRESSIVE IN SOME OF THE THOSE DEBATES.

OF COURSE, JOSH GREEN DID THE SAME THING SOMETIMES.

I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY COMMUNICATED THE MESSAGE KAI KAHELE WANTED TO.

HE IS A VERY CHARISMATIC CANDIDATE.

NOT HAVING THAT MONEY, NOT BE BEING ABLE TO PICK UP THOSE UNUNION ENDORSEMENTS, ENTERING SO LATE, CAN'T BUILD CAMPAIGN STRUCTURE.

KAI KAHELE RUNNING FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, CONGRESSMAN, HE IS NOT THAT MUCH OF AN EXPERIENCED POLITICIAN.

HASN'T HAD TO RUN A LOT OF HARD RACE.

EASILY WON FATHER'S STATE SENATE RACE.

GOT INTO THE RACE CONGRESS.

DIDN'T HAVE MUCH COMPETITION.

TUMS GABBARD DIDN'T RUN FOR ELECTION.

TULSI GABBARD DID RUN FOR RE‑ELECTION.

>>Daryl: IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT HOW VICKY CAYETANO RAN HER CAMPAIGN?

>> IT WAS INTERESTING.

WATCHED HER DURING THE DEBATES AND FORUM, TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

KAI KAHELE AND JOSH GREEN GO AFTER EACH OTHER.

I THINK SHE JUST TRIED TO SET HERSELF APART SAYING I'M A BUSINESSWOMAN.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE.

NOT A CAREER POLITICIAN.

WHEN SHE WAS OUR STUDIOS FIRST LADY, THOUGHT OF BEING THE GOVERNOR EVER ENTER YOUR MIND?

SHE SAID NO.

IT WASN'T UNTIL WAY AFTER.

KAI KAHELE, WE HAD HIM IN OUR STUDIOS MONDAY BEFORE THE ELECTION.

I SAID, IF YOU LOSE ON SATURDAY, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN?

NO.

NEVER AGAIN.

THAT'S IT.

THIS IS IT.

HIS ONE SHOT.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT BITTERNESS LEVEL BEING EXPRESSED BY CANDIDATES WHO USUALLY COVER UP THAT KIND OF THINKING?

>> I DON'T THINK IT EVER PLAYS WELL.

I'M THINKING OF RICHARD NIXON 1962.

LOSES CALIFORNIA RACE AFTER THE CLOSE RACE FOR PRESIDENT AGAINST JOHN F KENNEDY.

HAVING SAID THAT, NIXON CAME BACK 6 YEARS LATER AND BECAME PRESIDENT.

I DON'T THEY DID PLAYS WELL.

LAST CAMPAIGN MESSAGE MEDIA'S FAULT, NOT A GOOD LOOK.

ADD ABOUT VICKY CAYETANO MANY TIMES I THOUGHT SHE SOUNDED LIKE THE ADULT IN THE ROOM.

I THINK THAT APPEALED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

ENDED UP GETTING MORE VOTES THAN I EXPECTED.

>>Daryl: WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON GOVERNOR'S RACE?

WHAT JUMPED OUT TO YOU.

>> INTERESTING.

TALKING TO COLIN ABOUT THAT EARLIER.

THE WAY THAT OUR DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR SHOOK OUT DIFFERENT THAN THE REST THE STATE.

JOSH GREEN FINISHED FAR AHEAD OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.

KAI KAHELE SECOND IN OURS.

VICKY CAYETANO WAS THIRD.

THE FACT THAT KAI KAHELE AND JOSH GREEN SERVING AS ELECTED OFFICIAL OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

MULTIPLE VISITS TO MAUI.

JOSH GREEN CAME DURING THE VACCINE ROLLOUT.

KAI KAHELE AFTERMATH OF STORMS.

THAT VISIBILITY, INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY, I THINK PEOPLE SAW THEM AND RECOGNIZED THEM.

CAYETANO, YOU KNOW THE NAME.

LONG TIME POLITICAL CIRCLES.

>>Daryl: ETHNICITY, IN HAWAII, USUALLY THE FIRST TEST YOU APPLY TO A RACE WE GOT A NATIVE HAWAIIAN.

HAOLE.

GOT A ASIAN.

HOW DOES THAT BREAK?

LET ME ASK YOU, ON MAUI, IS ETHNICITY IMPORTANT TO VOTERS?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH EVERY VOTER, THEY DO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

I'M SURE THERE'S SOME VOTERS THAT WILL SEE A NAME, LOCAL GUY.

RECOGNIZE HER.

PLAY IN VOTERS.

CLOSE CONNECTIONS WITH EACH OTHER.

FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT HAVE DONE LATELY.

THIS WAS IN SOME WAYS DISADVANTAGE FOR KAI KAHELE.

JOSH GREEN NEIGHBOR ISLAND SENATOR.

BREAK NATIVE HAWAIIAN VOTE.

LESS PREDICTABLE THAN WE MIGHT THINK.

I THINK DO THINK ON BALANCE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE, ETHNICITY IS A GOOD CLUE.

DIDN'T HAVE A JAPANESE‑AMERICAN CANDIDATE RUNNING THIS GOVERNOR'S RACE.

THAT'S A BIG DEMOGRAPHIC SORT OF WAS WIDE OPEN.

I WOULDN'T READ TOO MUCH IN IT.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF JOSH GREEN'S ADVANTAGES WAS THAT HE DID HAVE THAT NEIGHBOR ISLAND BACKGROUND.

AND HE DID HAVE A LOT OF LOYALTY AMONG NATIVE HAWAIIANS.

AT LEAST FROM WHAT THE POLLS WERE SHOWING.

THAT THEY WERE BREAKING EVENLY.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK ALL OF YOU GUYS.

ONE OTHER FACTOR IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

WAS THAT ODDLY ENOUGH, VICKY CAYETANO FRIENDS OR SUPPORTERS FORMED THIS PAC AND DID VERY RECOGNIZABLE AD WITH THE TWO BRADDAS, JOSH GREEN IS NOT A BOARD CERTIFIED DOCTOR.

HARD HITTING AND QUITE NEGATIVE AD.

DELIVERED IN A HUMOROUS WAY.

BUT IT WAS REALLY TIED TO VICKY CAYETANO.

DO YOU THINK THAT WAS FAIR AND DO YOU THINK THAT HURT HER?

>> WELL, I MEAN, SHE SAID NEW YORK CITY DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTION AT ALL.

BUT CLEARLY, SHE WAS FRIENDS ASSOCIATES WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PART OF THIS VICTORY PAC.

IS THAT WHAT IS CALLED?

VICTORY CALLS.

>> VERY SUBTLE.

I ACTUALLY LAUGHED AT THE BRADDAS AD.

YOU HATED IT.

THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY POORLY DONE.

IT DID RESONATE THAT MESSAGE BOARD CERTIFIED, BOARD CERTIFIED.

DON'T TAKE ME TO QUEEN'S.

WHATEVER CASE WAS.

I DON'T THINK IT HELPED VICKY CAYETANO.

I WONDER WHETHER THERE STILL MIGHT BE CAMPAIGN SPENDING ISSUES RELATED TO THAT.

>> YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK WHEN THAT FIRST BROKE ON SCENE IN THE CAMPAIGN.

KIND OF INTERESTING.

CURIOUS TO WATCH, THEN THE BE THE CHANGE FOLKS IN THEIR ADS, HOW THEY CHANGED, INTENSIFIED, AND THEN THE VETS VOTE AS WELL.

SO REALLY INTERESTING TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT ESCALATED.

>>Daryl: SO STARTING TO GET SOME QUESTIONS.

COUPLE OF THEM ARE ABOUT THE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING.

GERMANE FROM MILILANI DO YOU FOLKS BELIEVE ATMOSPHERE CAMPAIGNS WORK.

I ENDED UP VOTING FOR THE PERSON BEING SMEARED.

>> I HEARD YOUR OPINION ABOUT SMEAR CAMPAIGN.

ALSO DO WORK SOMETIMES.

START.

DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT THERE REALLY WAS SMEAR CAMPAIGN IN THE SENSE OF KIND OF SMEARS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, USE THAT WORD BUT A LOT OF ADS WERE BASED ON RECORDS, BASED ON FACT PUT TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY.

>> I THINK THEY WERE SMEARS.

>> SYLVIA LUKE ADS, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID AND WHAT WAS IMPLIED ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT WAS SAID ACCORDING TO TEXT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRUTHFUL.

BUT WHAT WAS IMPLIED WAS THAT SYLVIA LUKE WAS CORRUPT.

SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A SMEAR.

THEY RAN THAT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT VOTERS WERE INTENSED WORRIED ABOUT CORRUPTION.

COMING OFF THE ENGLISH TIES.

CULLEN SCANDALS.

SMEAR FOR SURE.

JILL TOKUDA NOT SO MUCH.

THEY WERE BASING THIS ON SOME FACTUAL THING ABOUT NRA RATING.

PROBABLY WASN'T FAIR.

MAYBE IT WASN'T A SMEAR.

SO I THINK LARGER QUESTION, DO NEGATIVE ADS WORK IN HAWAII?

EVERYONE HAS ASKED THIS QUESTION.

THERE'S LONG BEEN THIS I THINK, MYTH THAT THEY DON'T WORK.

WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT NEGATIVE ADS IS THEY TEND TO DEPRESS VOTER TURNOUT.

CAN BE MORE INFLUENTIAL WHEN PEOPLE KNOW LESS ABOUT THE CANDIDATE WHEN THERE ARE MORE UNDECIDED.

I DON'T HAVE NEWS CONFERENCE ANY EVIDENCE TO BELIEVE NEGATIVE ADS WERE EFFECTIVE NOT TO VOTE FOR SYLVIA LUKE.

VOTERS DIDN'T NECESSARILY CONNECT TO NEGATIVE ADS BACK TO IKAIKA ANDERSON.

B RONCO DID GET A LOT OF BLAME FOR THE PAC RUNNING THEM.

>>Daryl: HEAR MORE ABOUT THE DARK MONEY.

DID YOU CONSIDER THESE TO BE SMEARS?

ALSO, DO YOU ‑‑ WHAT EFFECT DO YOU THINK IT HAD ULTIMATELY ON THE OUTCOME.

>> I THINK ACTUALLY, IT HAD PEOPLE VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE BEING ATTACKED.

TO ADD WHAT COLIN WAS SAYING, SHARING SOME LITERATURE.

RECENT STUDIES.

GOING ON.

EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS TRUE.

REMEMBER BE CHANGE NOW WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL TEN YEARS AGO KNOCKING BEN CAYETANO OF ALL PEOPLE OUT OF THE HONOLULU MAYOR'S RACE.

KIRK CALDWELL MIGHT NOT HAVE WON HAD BE CHANGE NOW HOT BEEN AT THE GAME THERE.

IN TERMS OF JILL TOKUDA, SOME OF THOSE ADS NRA IS ONE THING.

ACCUSED HER OF SIDING WITH MONSANTO AND GO.

MO COMPANIES AND STRENGTH SCHOOL KIDS BECAUSE OF A BILL.

GMO ADDS.

KERNEL OF TRUTH.

BLACK BANNER PUT IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM.

JILL HAS BEEN IN THE EYE PUBLIC ENOUGH, THAT'S NOT THEM.

>>Daryl: HOW DID IT PLAY ON MAUI.

>> INTERESTING.

>> STATEWIDE NARRATIVE IS SYLVIA LUKE WINNING EVERYONE SAID, HAWAII REJECTS NEGATIVE ADVERTISING.

BUT IN MAUI COUNTY, ANDERSON BEAT OUT LUKE.

NEIGHBOR ISLAND VOTERS LYFT POLITICS AND CANDIDATES MAY FEEL LIKE OAHUCENTRIC.

HOW DO WE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THESE CANDIDATES?

THROUGH ADS, MAILERS.

SEE ON TV?

SO FOR PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THOSE ADS HAD AN IMPACT.

SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

DON'T SEE THESE PEOPLE EVERY DAY ENGAGING IN YOUR COMMUNITY, MAKING CERTAIN DECISIONS IMPACT YOU, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON OUTSIDE SOURCES.

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT WAS PLAYED INTO IT.

>> SHE WAS ABOUT 3,000 VOTES BEHIND HIM.

SON 7 YEARS OLD, MOM, YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR SYLVIA LUKE, RIGHT?

WELL, WHERE DO YOU GET THAT?

SAYS IT ALL.

SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE CAMPAIGNING.

>>Daryl: WHAT'S INTERESTING ALSO IS MAUI HAD LOWER VOTER TURNOUT THAN ANY OTHER ISLAND.

SO I WONDER IF THIS TACTIC OF SUPPRESSING THE VOTE BY BEING SO NEGATIVE AND THAT IKAIKA ON MAUI ROSE TO THE TOP MORE CONGRESSIONABLE VOTERS FELT COMFORTABLE WITH HIM WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE INTENTION OF THOSE ADS.

>> I DON'T REALLY SEE THEM AS SMEARS.

THINKING BACK.

>>Daryl: SEEN WORSE.

>> SOME OF THE OTHER RUNS.

WHISPER STUFF.

WHAT I WASN'T EXPECTING IS SOME OF THOSE ADS TO COME OUT SO EARLY.

THOUGHT THEY WOULD WAIT TWO WEEKS.

AS SOON AS THE BALLOTS WERE OUT, BOOM.

BALLOTS ON TELEVISION.

THEY WERE OUT THERE.

>> GOTTEN IN THE FIELD EARLIER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DEFINE TOKUDA AND LUKE EARLIER ON.

POINT OF NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING.

TELL THE PEOPLE WHO THEY WR THEY WAITED TOO LATE WHAT'S AHEAD.

DUKE AIONA ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

LANDSLIDE VICTORY OVER BJ PENN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED THERE?

YOU GOT CRUSHED.

THOUGHT BJ WAS SO POPULAR.

>> BJ DIDN'T RUN MUCH OF A CAMPAIGN.

RELIED ON HIS CELEBRITY.

I THOUGHT HE WAS PRETTY GOOD WITH THE MEDIA.

CHARISMATIC PERFORMER.

HE WAS GOOD ON THE HAWAII NEWS NOW DEBATE.

EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT LINE.

TURNS TO DUKE AIONA.

I'LL ASK YOU.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I REMEMBER.

IF BJ GOT THE CAMPAIGN INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, WOULD HAVE DONE A LOT BETTER.

DUKE AIONA NAME RECOGNITION.

TRUSTED FIGURE.

SOME PEOPLE SAY HE ONLY EVEN GOT IN THE RACE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WORRIED THAT BJ PENN WAS GOING TO WIN.

I DO THINK THAT BJ PENN SHOWED THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FOR RUNNING A MORE POPULOUS STYLE MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO SAY TRUMP, MIGHT BE GOING TOO FAR.

DOES REPRESENT A LOT OF VOTERS WHO FEEL LEFT OUT.

REPRESENTS SPLIT ON THE MAINLAND AND REPUBLICAN PARTY, BETWEEN MORE LINDA LINGLE CONSERVATIVES TO THE RIGHT OF DEMOCRATS, PEOPLE ANGRY AT THE STATE AND WANT MORE POPULOUS STYLE CAMPAIGN.

BJ PENN CAME BACK IN 2 YEARS REALLY RAN A PROFESSIONAL CAMPAIGN.

READY FOR THESE MEDIA APPEARANCES I EXPECT HIM TO DO A WHOLE LOT BETTER.

IF DUKE IS ISN'T IN THAT RACE, COULD RUN AWAY WITH IT.

OTHER PERSON WANTED TO MENTION, NUMBER 3, GARY.

MAYBE IF HE HADN'T BEEN IN THAT RACE, SOMEONE WHO ALSO REPRESENTED MORE I THINK EVANGELICAL VOTE.

HADN'T BEEN IN THAT VOTE.

SOME OF THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN BJ PENN VOTERS.

>>Daryl: HOW DID BJ'S CAMPAIGN PLAY OUT MAUI.

>> BJ WAS CLOSE BEHIND.

TALKING ABOUT THE FRUSTRATIONS A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD WITH SOME OF THE COVID MANDATES AND RESTRICTION.

WE HAD SOME RULES THAT OTHER COUNTIES DIDN'T HAVE.

SO I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE PLAYED INTO IT.

HIS SUCCESS THERE.

>>Daryl: DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO BJ.

>> NO.

SAVE A LOT.

SAVE A LOT FOR ME.

BAILED AT THE LAST MINUTE.

DID HAVE REPUBLICAN PARTY CHAIR.

LYNN FINNEGAN LAST WEEK.

TALKING ABOUT THE OUTCOME.

TRUMP FACTOR.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE VOTED FOR DUKE AIONA BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT BJ PENN BECAUSE HE REPRESENTED TRUMP.

NEGATIVE.

SO INTERESTING TO HEAR.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HOW WELL AIONA DID AND WHO DOES IT SAY TO YOU ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> REMEMBER, 10 PEOPLE RUNNING IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR.

THAT IS ASTONISHING.

AND I THINK COLLEEN ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SEVERAL OF THOSE CANDIDATES WERE ANTI‑COVID MANDATES AND RESTRICTIONS.

GARY RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

OTHERS AS WELL.

I THINK TRUMP FACTOR IS THERE TOO.

I BELIEVE DURING THE SUPERDEBATES WE PARTICIPATED IN, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK BJ PENN SAID HE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF DONALD TRUMP OR RON DESANTIS.

LOOK AT IT, WASN'T CLOSE.

I MEAN, IT WAS COMPLETE LANDSLIDE.

DUKE AIONA TWICE LOST THIS VERY SAME RACE BEFORE.

SO YOU THINK THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS AT PLAY.

A LOT OF THOSE REPUBLICANS DID NOT DO WELL AT ALL.

>>Daryl: THIS IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

WHAT DO THE PANELISTS THINK ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE A GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PAIR WHO ARE BOTH POLYNESIAN?

INTERESTING QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE REPRESENTATION IN GOVERNMENT.

A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT NATIVE HAWAIIANS BEING DISPLACED IN THEIR OWN HOME.

THEIR OWN ISLANDS.

SO TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND NATIVE HAWAIIAN PERSPECTIVE, POLYNESIAN PERSPECTIVE, GOOD IN POLITICS.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

DO YOU THINK THAT GIVES, I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, NATIVE HAWAIIANS HAVE BEEN REPUBLICANS.

PRINCE KUHIO WAS A REPUBLICAN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>>Daryl: THERE'S THAT IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY.

DO YOU SEE MAYBE A SURGE OF HAWAIIAN INTEREST IN THIS RACE?

>> POTENTIALLY.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN MORE THAN A SHOT THAN THEY WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE.

TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT JUNIOR.

AND KNOW DUKE.

FEW CANDIDATES, TO ME, THEY DON'T AGREE ON ALL THE POLICY ISSUES.

SEEM RELATIVITY ALIGNED PERSONAL MANNER.

BOTH VERY RELIGIOUS FIGURES.

PERSONAL MANNER.

BOTH STRONG SPEAKERS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS KIND OF STRANGE PHENOMENA WE SAW 2 YEARS AGO, WITH ANDRIA TUPOLA AND ARE BEING CANDIDATE GET ON THE SAME PAGE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY UNITED.

>>Daryl: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THEM?

>> GENERAL FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

>> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ENOUGH SUPPORT TO GET DUKE IN.

LIKE WE SAW WITH LINDA.

CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S 20 YEARS.

PASSED.

>>Daryl: DON'T REMIND ME.

>> IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE REPUBLICANS RUN SOME CANDIDATES IN SO MANY RACE.

BECAUSE THEY'RE DOWN TO FOUR IN THE HOUSE.

ONE IN THE SENATE.

AND LYNN FINNEGAN, 20 AT ONE TIME.

>>Daryl: TALK ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE RACES.

IF I MIGHT ADD, YOU HAD ASKED EARLIER, WHY HAVEN'T WE HAD MORE SUCCESS WITH THE NATIVE HAWAIIAN VOTER.

IT WASN'T JUST KAI KAHELE.

IKAIKA ANDERSON, NATIVE HAWAIIAN PAT BRONCO, MIXED ANCESTRY.

REPUBLICAN PARTY PUTTING TOGETHER A NATIVE HAWAIIAN AT THE TOP AND I THINK THAT IS INTRIGUING.

ALSO A VERY DIFFERENT REPUBLICAN PARTY THAN THE 1920'S AND PRINCE KUHIO.

>>Daryl: ON MAUI, IS THERE A STRONG NATIVE HAWAIIAN PRESENCE POLITICALLY?

DO THEY TEND TO COALESCE AT ALL IN MAUI RACES?

>> THINKING ABOUT THE CANDIDATES, NATIVE HAWAIIAN, I THINK THAT IS BIG ONE.

WHEN HE HAD THERE WAS LIKE A DEBATE AND HE STARTED WITH OLI.

I THINK THAT PROBABLY A LOT OF NATIVE HAWAIIAN VOTERS WENT, WOW.

OKAY.

>>Daryl: TREMENDOUSLY POPULAR.

REALLY STRIKING HOW POPULAR HE WAS CONSIDERING HE'S NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE.

>> YEAH.

DEFINITELY.

I THINK PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT HE HAS A LOT OF GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE BUT NOT NECESSARILY AS MAYBE A MAYOR OR COUNCILMEMBER.

SO CRAFTING POLICY MAKES YOU VERY UNPOPULAR.

PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.

BEING A JUDGE, I THINK GAVE HIM SOME SORT OF CREDIT IN TERMS OF HIS GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.

BUT NOT THE SAME BAGGAGE THAT COMES WITH BEING ELECTED OFFICIAL.

>>Daryl: MOVE TO THE LEGISLATIVE RACES FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

QUITE A BIT OF NUMBER OF OPEN SEATS AS KATHRYN MENTIONED.

>> QUITE A NUMBER OF COMPETITIVE RACES AT LEAST GOT BOTH PARTIES IN THERE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WE'VE GOT ONE SENATOR AND FOUR REPRESENTATIVES NOW.

BOB DECIDED TO RUN FOR SENATE WHERE DO YOU THINK WE'LL END UP?

I WANT SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE STAY RELATIVELY EVEN.

WE KNOW THAT KURT FEVELLA IS GOING BACK.

DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPETITION.

>>Daryl: GENE WARD TOO.

>> EXACTLY.

COUPLE OF SEATS THAT REPUBLICANS MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP.

MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP.

DEMOCRATS ARE VULNERABLE.

SHARON HAR.

MATT LOPESTRI.

MAYBE EVEN GIL RIVIERE ON THE NORTH SHORE.

HE MIGHT BE VULNERABLE.

STRONG CHALLENGE FROM AWA, NEWSCASTER REALLY GOOD ON MEDIA.

MIGHT BE POTENTIAL REPUBLICAN PICK‑UPS.

WE'LL SEE.

I THINK THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE VALUE VAL OKAMOTO SEAT.

MIGHT BE DEMOCRATIC PICKUP.

I DON'T SEE BIG GAIN.

ONE OR TWO.

FOUR OR FIVE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE.

>>Daryl: MAUI COUNTY, TON OF OPEN SEATS.

AND SOME COMPETITIVE RACES.

HOW DO YOU SEE THOSE SEATS TURNING.

>> IN TERMS OF COUNCIL OR STATE?

COUNCIL IS NONPARTISAN.

START WITH THE LEGISLATURE.

>> OKAY.

YEAH, ONE OF THE OPEN SEATS THAT WE HAD WAS DISTRICT 11.

REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT GOING TO RUN FOR RE‑ELECTION.

KELLY KING CONSIDERED RUNNING FOR HER SEAT.

WOULD HAVE HAD A GOOD CHANCE IN A RACE.

WE HAD DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY AND REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN THAT RACE.

REALLY INTERESTING.

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY HAD TO HAVE A RECOUNT BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE.

OVERNIGHT, STANDINGS CHANGED.

I THINK PART OF THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW HER FAMILY AND SO SHE HAS A LOT OF LOCAL CONNECTIONS.

AND THEN THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IS TEREZ, RUN BEFORE AGAINST SENATOR ROZ BAKER.

DIDN'T WIN, BUT HAS GOOD CHANCE IN A DISTRICT THAT HAS VOTED DEMOCRATIC FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

>>Daryl: WHERE DO YOU SEE, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT HAPPENING.

>> YOU HAD MENTIONED LYNN FINNEGAN AND LINDA LINGLE.

MANY WAYS BUILT HER PATH TO THE GOVERNORSHIP BY BEING PARTY CHAIR OF THE GOP.

SEATING LEGISLATURE.

I THINK LYNN ONE OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE, REMEMBER, HOUSE MINORITY LEADER BACK WHEN LINGLE WAS IN OFFICE, TRYING TO SEED THE PARTY NUMBERS IN THE LEDGE.

THINK ABOUT IT, ALL OF OUR LEADERS COME FROM THE LEDGE.

EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF OUR DELEGATION IS FROM THE LEDGE, JOSH GREEN IS FROM THE LEDGE.

KAI KAHELE, NOT VICKI, SYLVIA LUKE AND JILL COME FROM.

HER HUSBAND BEN CAYETANO.

START STRATEGY.

ONE OF OUR REPORTERS LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS.

MANY CASES, REPUBLICANS REALLY HAD MORE PEOPLE RUNNING OR VOTING FOR REPUBLICANS THAN ACTUALLY WON.

I THINK ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WEST OAHU, MATT LOPESTRI AND SHARON HAR HAVE HER OWN, BAGGAGE PROBLEMATIC.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

DON'T THINK IT WILL SHIFT DRAMATICALLY.

MAY SEE SURPRISES.

>>Daryl: IF THEY GET TWO, THAT'S A 50% INCREASE.

>> INTERESTING BECAUSE I HAD GONE BACK TO LOOK.

WHAT HAPPENED?

WHAT WAS DIFFERENT WHEN LINDA LINGLE BECAME GOVERNOR?

THERE WAS CORRUPTION, ANDY MIRIKITANI WENT TO JAIL.

THAT KIND OF THING.

JUST THIS YEAR, HAD TWO LAWMAKERS INDICTED FOR BRIBERY.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO HAVE PEOPLE GO REPUBLICAN THIS YEAR.

>>Daryl: ONE OF THE POINTS, IN MAKING THAT POINT ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE, LEGISLATURE WHERE YOU CAN GO.

THERE'S NO TERM LIMIT.

YOU JUST SIT THERE AND RUN YOU RUN.

BY THE TIME YOU'RE READY TO RUN FOR HIGHER OFFICE, 2 OR $300,000 IN THE BANK.

REAL FACTOR.

SO THAT THIS WHOLE IDEA OF TERM LIMITS, I WONDER IF THAT WILL GAIN SOME MOMENTUM.

I'M NOT GOING TO DISCUSS THAT.

GOING TO MAKE THAT OPINION.

I WANT TO MOVE ON SO TO SOME OF OTHER QUESTIONS.

ON THAT POINT YOU'RE MAKING, KATHRYN, TOM IN WAIKIKI, DO YOU THINK THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOOD OR BAD FOR THE LOCAL REPUBLICAN PARTY?

I MEAN, WAS THERE A BIG MESSAGE SENT ABOUT THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY WHEN THEY VOTED FOR AIONA, INSTEAD OF TRUMP OR POPULOUS TYPE PERSON?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>>Daryl: DO YOU KNOW?

>> I THINK IT'S BAD.

I THINK IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT'S A MORE, VERY DEEPLY CONSERVATIVE BRAND ON THE MAINLAND.

POLITICS ARE NATIONAL.

GET NEWS NATIONALLY.

UNDERSTAND POLITICS NATIONALLY.

SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR OUR REPUBLICANS TO CARVE OUT SEPARATE HAWAII BRAND.

A LOT OF GREAT MODERATE REPUBLICANS.

CYNTHIA THIELEN.

STRONG ON GOVERNMENT ISSUES.

REPUBLICANS HAVE OFTEN HAD A MOMENT IN HAWAII WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRULY DISGUSTED WITH HAWAII DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND CORRUPTION.

HARD FOR THEM TO CARVE THAT OUT.

GOING TO BE EVEN HARDER NOW BECAUSE IF THEY TRY TO DO, DUKE TRIES TO CARVE OUT A MORE MODERATE BRAND, DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE, LOOK, HE'S BEING JUST LIKE TRUMP.

JUST LIKE TRUMP.

HE'S A REPUBLICAN.

THAT'S POISON.

WAYS FOR IDEOLOGICAL CONSERVATIVES TO WIN.

DON'T HAVE THAT R NEXT TO YOUR NAME, YOU CAN DO ALL RIGHT.

RUNNING AS A RELATIVE CONSERVATIVE.

AS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ON THE MAINLAND BECOMES MORE CONSERVATIVE, MORE TIED TO TRUMP, IT'S HARDER AND HARDER TO CARVE OUT A HAWAII BRAND.

>>Daryl: MOVE ALONG TO THE ELECTION.

COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WEREN'T ENOUGH BALLOT COLLECTION BOXES ON THE BIG ISLAND.

LENGTHY TRIP TO GET TO THE COLLECTION SITES.

COULDN'T DROP MY BATTLE OFF.

COULD HAVE AFFECTED VOTER TURNOUT.

COULDN'T DROP MY BALLOT OUT.

WASN'T THAT MUCH GOING ON ON THE BIG ISLAND IN TERMS OF ACTIVE RACES.

ALSO, SO I WANT TO ASK.

WHAT WAS THE ISSUE ON MAUI?

SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF TURMOIL AROUND VOTING ON MAUI.

>> GONE TO MAIL‑IN VOTING, EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH VOTE SERVICE CENTERS.

3 ISLANDS IN OUR COUNTY.

TOUGH.

ONE ON MOLOKAI, LANAI AND TWO ON MAUI.

ONE CENTRAL AREA WAILUKU ON HANA.

>>Daryl: CLOSED HANA ON ELECTION DAY.

>> LIMITED.

SOME FRUSTRATION DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION VOTER SERVICE CENTER IN WAILUKU.

WASN'T ABOUT THE FACT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH.

HAD TO SIGN AFFIDAVITS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

THAT WAS PART OF WHAT LED TO SOME CONFRONTATIONS.

STAFF ENDED UP CALLING POLICE BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE IT WAS GOING.

>>Daryl: ENTER VOTER'S QUESTIONS, DO YOU THINK THAT LACK OF SERVICE CENTERS MADE FEWER PEOPLE VOTE?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

BECAUSE PRIOR TO US GOING TO MAIL‑IN VOTING MAUI COUNTY AT LEAST, OUR ABSENTEE ITTURNOUT MORE THAN IN PERSON TURN OUT.

WHERE IT WAS TRENDING.

IMPACTED ACCESS PEOPLE HAVE TO VOTING.

>>Daryl: COMMON CAUSE HAWAII SANDY MA REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS TRYING TO CONVINCE THE LEGISLATURE, TRIED TO CONVINCE ELECTION OFFICE.

COUNTIES RUN THE ELECTIONS REACH THE ISLANDS, STATE THAT GETS ALL THE BALLOTS.

SHE SAID, YOU GOT TO HAVE MANY MORE OF THESE VOTING CENTERS.

DROP‑OFF BOXES AS WELL.

SHE SAID, THE SAME POINT AFTER THE PRIMARY.

CLOSED.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT.

IT DOES GO TO THE EASE OF BEING ABLE TO VOTE.

>>Daryl: DO YOU THINK THAT THAT THERE WAS AN IMPACT?

HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS PERSON, WONDERING LEGISLATIVE INTENDED TO SUPPRESS VOTES BY MAKING IT EASIER?

THEIR ARGUMENT CLEARLY IS MAIL‑IN VOTING IS THE EASIEST WAY TO VOTE.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF I QUITE SUSPICIOUS AS YOU.

HELPFUL TO HAVE MORE DROPBOXES.

PEOPLE WAITING TO THE LAST MINUTE.

EASY TO DO.

NO COST, WHY NOT DO IT?

>>Daryl: THOUGHTS.

>> WELL, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED ELECTION DAY.

I WENT EARLY IN THE MORNING.

NO LINES.

I KNOW TALKING WITH CHIEF OF ELECTIONS OFFICER, SCOTT NAGO, DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

EVERYONE GOT TO GET USED TO IT.

MORE PEOPLE THAT RETURN THEIR BALLOTS EARLY, WE CAN GET THEM IN THE QUEUE.

YOU DON'T HAVE THIS BIG LIKE DROP END OF THE DAY.

OH, MY GOODNESS.

GOING TO TAKE 2 DAYS TO GO THROUGH THIS.

>>Daryl: INTERESTING, INTERESTING POINT.

I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH LYNN FINNEGAN REPUBLICAN CHAIR AFTERWARDS.

NOT JUST REPUBLICANS A LOT OF THOSE LAST MINUTE WERE REPUBLICAN.

YOU SAW REAL MOVEMENT TOWARDS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES IN THOSE LAST 40,000 VOTES.

BUT SHE SAID, SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANT TO VOTE.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE MAIL WILL WORK.

I REMEMBER THIS.

ALWAYS A NICE SENSATION GO WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, TO A POLLING PLACE.

IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU FELT GOOD.

GAVE YOU A LITTLE STICKER.

AND YOU GO.

I GOT MY VOTE.

IT WAS JUST A NICE FEELING GONE FROM SOMETHING 200 POLLING PLACES TO A HALF A DOZEN OR SO.

DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, LET'S JUST HAVE 30 OR 40?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO CAST THEIR BALLOT.

A LOT OF STATES JUST NEED TO POST‑MARKED BY THAT DATE.

ALASKA IS ONE OF THEM.

WE'RE GOT NOT ONE.

PEOPLE GET THAT CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT.

DO THINGS LAST MINUTES.

I'M ALL FOR SPENDING MORE MONEY MAKING IT EASY AS POSSIBLE TO HELP PEOPLE VOTE.

MONEY WELL SPENT.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO GO.

FEW OTHER PEOPLE FELT THE SAME WAY.

I ACTUALLY COULD TAKE MAY BALLOT HOME AND I CAN LOOK PEOPLE UP ON THE INTERNET.

FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THEM.

OUR CANDIDATE Q&A CIVIL BEAT, ONE OF THE MOST WIDELY READ STORIES OFF OUR SITE.

PEOPLE TRYING TO LEARN MORE.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN WAITING IN LINE AND CAST THE BALLOT, THEN LEAVE.

MOVE THE CURTAIN.

>>Daryl: NOTHING LIKE THAT SENSATION, I DON'T KNOW WHO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

SCHOOL BOARD ELECTION.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE MAIL‑IN VOTING WENT ON MAUI?

>> I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE MORE VOTERS SERVICE CENTERS ESPECIALLY WITH NEIGHBOR ISLANDS.

>> TRANSPORTATION IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.

WE HAVE FEWER ROADS TO GET PLACES.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY TREACHEROUS ON THE ROAD TO HANA.

GOOD TO HAVE MORE PLACES THAT NOT JUST CENTRAL LOCATION BUT JUST SERVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO REACH FARTHER FROM THE LOCATION THEY'VE CHOSEN.

>>Daryl: GOT A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION HERE THAT ANYBODY CAN BITE ON.

I THOUGHT THE SENATE RACE BETWEEN BRANDON ELEFANTE AND INCUMBENT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSE.

I WONDER WHY BRANDON ELEFANTE ONBY 5,800 VOTES.

>> I'LL TAKE A GUESS.

I THINK FIRST, COUNCIL DISTRICT.

IT WAS HIS COUNCIL DISTRICT.

SHE WASN'T ONLY PERSON APPOINTED TO HER SEAT WHO LOST.

LAURA ACASIO ON THE BIG ISLAND LOST TO MUCH MORE WELL‑KNOWN LORRAINE INOUYE.

THAT CONTRIBUTED TO IT.

BRANDON ELEFANTE I KNOW HAD MORE MONEY.

I ALSO HEARD HIM SAY HE KNOCKED ON 8,000 DOORS.

INCREDIBLY HARD‑WORKING POLITICIAN.

HE ALREADY WAS STARTING FROM ADVANTAGE.

BUT THAT SHOE LEATHER POP POLITICS STILL WORKS.

MOST EFFECTIVE WAY.

HARD WORK AND NAME RECOGNITION.

>> TALK ABOUT MONEY.

BUT I ALWAYS GO BACK TO BERNARD AKANA.

THAT RACE.

FOR MAYOR.

ON THE BIG ISLAND.

HE JUST, YOU KNOW, COFFEE WITH HIS FRIENDS AND HE WAS UP AGAINST.

>>Daryl: ALWAYS CALVIN SAY'S THING.

I KNOCK ON EVERY HOUSE IN MY DISTRICT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT HAVING 51,000 DISTRICTS.

ALL FAIRLY SMALL.

AS OPPOSED TO LARGER DISTRICT WITH MULTIMEMBERS THEY USE TO HAVE.

HOUSE LEVEL, YOU CAN WIN A RACE WITHOUT A LOT OF MONEY.

I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC MAUI QUESTION.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR MAUI THAT PRO DEVELOPMENT CANDIDATES DID BETTER THAN ENVIRONMENTALLY MINDED PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION?

IS THAT A FAIR THING TO SAY FIRST OF ALL?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

ACTUALLY BECAUSE THAT IS THE TREND WE'RE SEEING IN MAUI COUNTY.

WITH THESE COUNCIL RACES, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, BIG PUSH TO ELECT ENVIRONMENTALLY FOCUSED CANDIDATES, PEOPLE OVER PROFITS THAT SORT OF THING.

WON A LOT OF SEATS ON THE COUNCIL.

BUT NOW, AS WHAT HAPPENS ANY TIME OFFICIALS ARE IN POWER, PUSH BACK FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WE'RE SEEING THIS RISE OF CANDIDATES THAT YOU MIGHT DESCRIBE AS MAYBE MORE TRADITIONAL ESTABLISHMENT.

THEY HAVE UNION AND BUSINESS BACKING.

AND SO THEY'VE DONE REALLY WELL IN THE RACES.

WE HAVE A GRAPHIC OPEN SEATS IN YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

THE THING IS ABOUT MAUI, AT LARGE VOTING BUT PEOPLE ARE FROM CERTAIN AREAS.

SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT AT LARGE VOTING TOP TWO AS OPPOSED TO PARTIES.

ARE THESE FOLKS, DO THEY BREAK DOWN BY ENVIRONMENTAL LINES AND SO ON.

>> PERFECT EXAMPLES BECAUSE THAT DEFINITELYRY REFLECTS TREND WE'RE SEEING.

SOUTH MAUI RACE, OPEN, THESE TWO ARE OPEN BECAUSE KELLY AND MICHAEL RAN FOR MAYOR.

SOUTH MAUI RACE, TOM, FINISHED FIRST.

CONTRACTOR.

CONSTRUCTION GUY.

GOT A LOT OF FINANCIAL BACKING AND THEN YOU HAVE ROBIN, ENVIRONMENTAL AND WATER QUALITY SCIENTIST.

BACKED BY KELLY ENDORSED BY KELLY TO TAKE HER PLACE.

FINISHED CLOSE.

INTERESTING TO WATCH.

REFERENDUM ON WHO IS GOING TO WIN OUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE TO MORE TRADITIONAL SIDE.

>>Daryl: WONDER TOP OF THE TICKET, HAS SOMETHING DO WITH YOU SEE AT OF DEBATE MAUI COUNTY, MORE HOUSING, WE WANT MORE HOUSING, FEWER HOTELS.

BASICALLY ENVIRONMENTAL DEBATES GOING ON.

FRUSTRATION OVER NOT ENOUGH HOUSING REFLECTED IN THAT.

>> THAT'S DEFINITELY DRIVING I THINK, PEOPLE FRUSTRATED WITH SOMETIMES SOME OF THE SOMETIMES COUNCIL, KNOCK DOWN REJECTING CERTAIN HOUSING PROJECTS PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, WAS WRONG WITH THAT?

AND BUT SO I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE GOING HAVE TO FIGHT THIS PERCEPTION EITHER ANTI‑DEVELOPMENT OR TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT.

NEED HOUSING SO DESPERATELY DON'T WANT TO OVERRUN OUR COMMUNITY.

ON THE NEIGHBOR ISLANDS ALL THE TIME, DON'T WANT TO BECOME HONOLULU.

>>Daryl: AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LIKE THE ONE ISSUE ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE.

HERE WE SEE ON MAUI MAYBE THAT IS PLAYING INTO THE ELECTION.

DO YOU THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING ULTIMATELY HAD ANY IMPACT ON THE CHOICES BEING MADE?

PONDER OUR NAVAL QUESTION FOR A MOMENT WONDER IF ANYBODY THOUGHT, IS THERE ANY ISSUE THAT ACTUALLY INFLUENCED THOSE RACES OR IS IT ALL PERSONALITIES AND THE WAY THEY CAMPAIGNED?

>> NO.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ISSUE.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE CANDIDATES REALLY DIFFERED ON THE ISSUE, INTERVIEW WE DID AT HAWAII NEWS NOW, PUSHED THEM ON THIS.

AND THERE WERE VERY FEW POLICY DIFFERENCES AMONG ANY OF THE DEMOCRATS FOR GOVERNOR, LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

ALL WANTED TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH TOURISM.

ALL DESPERATELY WANTED TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ALL FOR THAT.

BUT WAS THERE A BIG POLICY DIFFERENCE THAT WAS SO DISTINCT THE ELECTORATE WOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED IT AND I CAN'T THINK OF IT AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BIG ONE AMONG THE MAJOR LG CANDIDATES.

I THINK THIS WAS ONE ON TRUST AND REPARATION AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CAMPAIGN.

NOT ON IDEOLOGY.

>>Daryl: CHAD?

>> WELL, I WONDERING WHY CORRUPTION HASN'T HAD MORE TRACTION.

I WONDER WHEN WE HAVE THE GENERAL ELECTION, REPUBLICANS ARE PITTED AGAINST DEMOCRATS, FACE IT, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE RUN THIS STATE, I MEAN, FORMER SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, FORMER FINANCE VICE CHAIR, EVERYBODY KNEW TAI CULLEN AND KALANI ENGLISH.

HOW DID SOMEBODY NOT KNOW THAT BRIBES WERE HAPPENING BILLS BEING KILLED FOR THIS.

I COULD GO ON TO DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND PERMITTING.

YOU NAME IT.

KEALOHAS.

WONDER WHY THAT HASN'T HAD MORE TRACK AND WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE A FACTOR IN HELPING SOME REPUBLICAN TO GET ELECTED.

THAT'S THEIR STRONGEST CARD TO PLAY IN THE GENERAL.

>> I DID ASK LYNN FINNEGAN SHE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO GET KIND OF UGLY TOWARDS THE END.

I DON'T KNOW DUKE WOULD DO IN A.

>>Daryl: OUTSIDE MONEY.

SEEN REPUBLICAN MONEY COMING IN.

IF THEY ACTUALLY SEE A WEAKNESS.

JOSH GREEN ONE WAS 64%.

OF THE VOTE.

GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

THERE ARE BIGGER CLEARER POLICY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE LIKE DUKE WHO WOULD SAY, GOT TO LOOSEN THE LAND USE REGULATIONS.

WHICH DRIVES ENVIRONMENTALIST CRAZY YOU WOULD SEE BIG DIFFERENCES ON ISSUES.

DOES ANYBODY HERE THINK THAT THAT WOULD DRIVE THE DECISIONS?

>> I DON'T THINK THE LUC IS GOING TO BE DECIDING.

I AGREE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS.

DON'T MESS WITH THE LUC NATIONAL REPUBLICANS IN THE SUPREME COURT.

ROE VS. WADE DECISION, HAWAII HAS A STRONG ABORTION LAW NOT GOING TO BE CHIPPED AWAY.

THAT COULD BE RESONATE.

SEVERAL CANDIDATES FOR REPUBLICAN AND LG LIKED WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING ROE VS. WADE BACKFIRING.

KANSAS SAID, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I THINK THAT IS A STRENGTH THAT DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE GOING FORWARD TO THE GENERAL.

>> I JUST THINK THE WHOLE DRAMA THAT IS UNFOLDING NOW WITH THE RAID ON MAR‑A‑LAGO IS GOING TO, INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

WHAT HAPPENS.

AND IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A CENTRIST IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OR SOMEONE ON THE EXTREME.

>>Daryl: MAUI WAS ALWAYS SEEN AS LIKE THE MOST REPUBLICAN OF THE ISLANDS.

IS THAT STILL TRUE?

>> NOT TOO MUCH ANY MORE.

PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR STATE LAWMAKERS ARE DEMOCRATS AND SOUTH MAUI IN THE EARLY 2000S, HAD REPUBLICAN MAINSTAY AS THEIR LAWMAKER.

BUT NOW, IT'S BASICALLY BEEN MOSTLY DEMOCRAT LAWMAKERS THAT WE SENT TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>>Daryl: SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HONOLULU COUNCIL.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF OPEN SEATS THERE AS WELL.

WHAT DO YOU SEE HAPPENING THERE?

>> WELL, GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMPETITIVE RACES.

IN THAT VERY CROWDED RACE, WITH TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM AND A LOT OF CANDIDATES HE CAME OUT ON TOP.

A LOT OF CASES YOU SAW THE CANDIDATE WITH MORE UNION ENDORSEMENTS COME OUT ON TOP.

THESE COUNCIL RACES ARE GOING TO BE THE MOST INTERESTING THING TO WATCH.

IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

BECAUSE NO ONE WON OUT RIGHT.

IN THE PRIMARY.

SO THEY'RE ALL COMPETITIVE.

EXCEPT FOR TOMMY WATERS DIDN'T HAVE TO RUN IN THE PRIMARY.

THAT I THINK WHERE MOST OF THE ENERGY AND MONEY IS GOING TO BE DEVOTED TO THOSE VERY COMPETITIVE COUNCIL RACES.

>>Daryl: WHERE WOULD THE MONEY BE DIRECTED?

THEY RAISE OR OUTSIDE.

>> MONEY THEY RAISE.

MOST OF THE MONEY FROM CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS WILL GO THERE.

>>Daryl: MAKUA ROTHMAN.

AND TYLER DOS SANTOS TAM RUNNING AGAINST FORMER MISS HAWAII.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>>Daryl: THEN RON MENOR AND VAL OKAMOTO.

THAT COULD BE FUN.

>> VAL CAME OUT ON TOP.

GOES TO THE POINT WHERE VAL A REPUBLICAN, BEAT RON MENOR IN THAT PRIMARY.

SO THAT IS WHERE CONSERVATIVES DO WELL.

>>Daryl: ONE OF THE SUB‑‑ >> EXCUSE ME.

SPOT ON.

ONE OF THE SUBTEXTS.

NONPARTISAN RACE.

BUT INCREASINGLY CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES SOME FORMER REPUBLICANS LIKE ANDRIA TUPOLA, FINDING TRACTION ON THE HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL.

HUGE MEDIA MARKET TOO.

I THINK WE WILL SEE A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE COUNCIL RACES FOUR OUT OF THE NINE SEATS ARE UP.

>>Daryl: I WONDER IN THE CAMPAIGNS FOR THOSE RACES, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THING DIDN'T REALIZE, VAL OKAMOTO HAS A FILIPINO SECOND NAME.

VAL AQUINO OKAMOTO.

WHERE ALL THE SIGNS WERE IN WAIPAHU.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ACTUAL CAMPAIGNING WAS GOING ON, WHETHER PEOPLE KNOW CONSERVATIVE OR NOT, NAME AND FACE RECOGNITION COULD BE A BIG PART OF IT.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

I DO AGREE THAT AS A SOCIETY, MOVING FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY, PEOPLE JUST PICKING SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR NAME.

LET'S NOT KID EACH OTHER.

ETHNIC VOTING IS IMPORTANT.

REASON WHY YOU'RE SEEING PEOPLE USE THAT MIDDLE NAME NORMALLY WASN'T BROUGHT OUT WIDELY.

IT WORKS.

>>Daryl: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE DARK MONEY.

BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WHEN WE DID INSIGHTS PROGRAM WHEN WE HAD THE FOUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CANDIDATE, AMEMIYA CAME OUT ATTACKING ON THE CORRUPTION ISSUE.

AND THEN STOPPED DOING THAT COMPLETELY THE REST OF THE CAMPAIGN.

ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED, WASN'T GETTING ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CORRUPTION.

NO QUESTIONS HERE ABOUT CORRUPTION.

SO DO YOU THINK THAT VOTERS REALLY DON'T, AREN'T WORRIED ABOUT CORRUPTION, ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PAC MONEY BUT I MEAN, I'M ASKING YOU, YEAH, ALL THAT HAVE GOING ON BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT?

>> REMEMBER, ALSO PART OF THE SAME PARTY.

ONE OF THE GREATEST ARGUMENTS THAT KEITH AMEMIYA AND SHERRY MENOR MCNAMARA NEITHER SERVED IN OFFICE.

TO SAY THEY'RE NOT POLITICALLY CONNECTED IS ANOTHER THING.

TALKED TO POLITICALLY AKAMAI PERSON.

WHY DO YOU THINK ALL OF THAT OUTSIDE MONEY WAS COMING?

WASN'T JUST VOTE VETS AND I FORGET THE NRA GROUP.

THANK YOU.

ALL THE OTHER MAINLAND GROUPS.

THIS PERSON HAD A THEORY.

THEY SAID, DOING IT BECAUSE THEY CAN.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY.

AND IF THEY MANAGE TO KNOCK OFF A JILL TOKUDA AND GET A PAT INTO CONGRESS, MORE MONEY IS GOING TO FLOW THEIR WAY.

NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN THE HONOLULU MARKET COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER STATES, BUT IF YOU CAN KNOCK SOMEBODY OFF BECAUSE YOU CAN, THAT'S A WIN.

>>Daryl: LET ME ASK.

HOW DID THE TOKUDA ADS, TOKUDA IS NOT FROM THE NEIGHBOR ISLAND BUT RUNNING IN THAT DISTRICT.

PAT IS FROM WINDWARD SIDE ALSO.

>> BOTH OF THEM FROM WINDWARD.

>>Daryl: TWO PEOPLE NOT FROM MAUI.

AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF CRAZY CAMPAIGNING.

HOW DID IT PLAY OUT OVER THERE.

>> DID VERY WELL.

I THINK PART OF THAT FACT THAT SHE'S BEEN LAWMAKER LONG TIME.

CHAIRED SENATE WAY AND MEANS.

RECENTLY, AROUND 2019, CAME TO BRIEFLY BE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NEW SAVE VETERANS MEMORIAL CENTER.

EXTERNAL DIRECTOR.

ANY KIND OF CONNECTION GOT TO NEIGHBOR ISLANDS I'M SURE THAT HAS HER WORKING WITH AND TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MAUI.

>>Daryl: GOING TO WHAT CHAD WAS SAYING TALK ABOUT THESE MAINLAND GROUPS HAVE A LOT OF MONEY COMPARED TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO INFLUENCE A WHOLE ELECTION.

>> RIGHT.

YEAH.

THIS IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I ENTIRELY AGREE WITH WHAT CHAD SAID.

DON'T FORGET, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SPENDERS WAS OUR OWN CARPENTERS UNION.

BE CHANGE NOW SUPER PACs GOT MORE MONEY.

3.7 MILLION.

>> EVEN MORE THAN THAT.

>> OVER 4 MILLION.

THAT WAS OF THE LAST REPORT.

WHAT DOES THE LG RACE TEACH US ABOUT LOCAL POLITICS?

WHAT IT SAYS IS UNION ENDORSEMENTS STILL CAN PROVIDE THAT GROUND GAME TO GET VOTES OUT, KIND OF ENDORSEMENTS THAT SYLVIA LUKE HAD WITH HGEA, HSTA, ALL THE BIG UNION, I THINK THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER VICTORY.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GROUND GAME.

HAVE AN OPERATION.

BE CHANGE NOW HAD WAS A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON ADS.

LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPENDING MONEY ON MEDIA AND OLD‑FASHIONED UNION GET OUT THE VOTE CAMPAIGN.

OLD‑FASHIONED CAMPAIGN STILL SEEMS TO WORK.

>>Daryl: INTERESTING.

THE WAY THEY RESPONDED TO THAT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH ALL OF THE UNIONS SENT OUT VIDEO MESSAGES TO THEIR MEMBERS THROUGH THEIR MAILING EMAIL MAILING LIST, EVERY MEMBER GOT A MESSAGE FROM THEIR UNION PRESIDENT SAYING, IGNORE ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT SYLVIA LUKE.

>> I LOVE THE LETTER TO THE EDITOR THAT ALL THE UNIONS SIGNED OFF ON.

>> RANDY.

>> HGEA.

>> UPA I THINK.

>>Daryl: ABSOLUTELY.

NOT LIKE ALL THE UNIONS HANG TOGETHER.

>> IN THIS CASE, MANY OF THEM WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT WHAT THE CARPENTERS UNION WAS DOING.

>>Daryl: AND PUBLIC WORKER UNIONS GOT THE GROUND GAME.

FEET ON GROUND.

WALKING THIS GROUP.

AGAIN, BACK TO THIS.

AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT'S CRAZY.

DO PEOPLE MONEY FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL?

FRUSTRATING?

>> THERE WAS A LOT OF MONEY DID GO INTO OUR MAYOR'S RACE.

ONE OF THE OTHER RACES THAT HAD A LOT OF MONEY GOING INTO IT WAS THE OPEN SEATS.

MAKAWAO HAIKU SEAT.

TOP FUNDRAISER WAS HODGINS.

PART OF THAT GOT A LOT OF UNION BACKING.

BE CHANGE NOW SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

ONLY MAUI CANDIDATES.

SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN ADVERTISING FOR HER.

SHE HAD THIS COMBINATION GETTING A LOT OF ADVERTISING AND ENDORSEMENTS FROM THE UNIONS HER DAD IS A LONG TIME MAUI FIELD REP FOR THE CARPENTERS UNION.

>>Daryl: REALLY GOOD POINT.

BECAUSE THAT KIND OF MONEY CAN REALLY INFLUENCE A HOUSE RACE OR SENATE RACE.

AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC AGENDA WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE THOSE VOTES DO.

DO YOU THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, OUR SYSTEM FOR TRACKING ALL OF THIS MONEY IS OF ANY USE AT ALL BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE DATES ARE ALL MESSED UP.

NEVER KNOW WHO IS GIVING SOON ENOUGH.

>> BETTER TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION QUICKER.

REAL‑TIME.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT MAYBE MORE FREQUENT DEADLINES.

SO WE CAN TRACK IT.

AS IT BECOMES MORE INFLUENTIAL.

I THINK WE DO NEED MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE UP TO THE MEDIA TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY.

>>Daryl: HOW HARD WAS IT TO KNOW WHO WAS SPENDING ON WHAT THIS YEAR.

>> SOMEBODY GOES OVER CAMPAIGN FINANCE LIST.

VERY DETAILED.

TALK ABOUT REQUIRING GREATER DISCLOSURE.

LEGISLATURE HAS MOVED MOVING DEADLINES UP.

REQUIRING MORE THINGS.

MAYBE FOR THE SUPER PACs, HAVE THE TOP CONTRIBUTORS ON THE MAILERS.

>>Daryl: VERY GOOD.

THANKS GUYS.

MAHALO TO YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT – AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS – CATHERINE CRUZ FROM HAWAII PUBLIC RADIO AND CHAD BLAIR OF HONOLULU CIVIL BEAT, FROM THE MAUI NEWS MCOLLEEN UECHI AND POLITICAL ANALYST COLIN MOORE.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS, A DOUBLEHEADER FEATURING TWO RACES WITH NO INCUMBENT; HONOLULU CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 6 AND STATE HOUSE DISTRICT 39.

PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI`I, ALOHA!