EFFORTS TO HELP UNHOUSED POPULATION IN# ISLANDS CONTINUAL STRUGGLE FOR DECADES.# WHAT ARE STATE AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS# DOING TO HELP SOLVE THIS ENDURING PROBLEM?# AND HOW IS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT# RULING THIS SUMMER IMPACTED THE WAY## CITY'S DEAL WITH HOUSELESS INDIVIDUALS IN HAWAII.

JOIN THE CONVERSATION AS WE PROVIDE UPDATE ON THE## EFFORTS TO END HOMELESSNESS.

NEXT ON INSIGHTS.# ##** ### ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAII.# I'M LAUREN DAY.

HOMELESSNESS HAS BEEN A# PERSISTENT ISSUE THROUGHOUT OUR STATE FOR DECADES.# MANY STATE LEADERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKE PROMISES EVERY# YEAR TO HELP END HOUSELESSNESS IN HAWAII.# SO WHAT IS BEING DONE AT THE COUNTY AND STATE LEVELS TO# ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM?

TONIGHT WE WILL GET AN UPDATE# ON THE EFFORTS TO TO END HOMELESSNESS AND WE WILL TALK# WITH THOSE WORKING TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS AND THOSE WORKING TO# PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THOSE AFFECTED INDIVIDUALS.# WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT'S# SHOW.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR# QUESTIONS.

AND YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM# OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND THE PBS# HAWAII YOUTUBE PAGE.

NOW, TO OUR GUESTS.# JOHN MIZUNO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE STATEWIDE OFFICE ON# HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING SOLUTIONS.# HE SERVED THE KALIHI DISTRICT IN HONOLULU IN THE HAWAII# HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM 2006 TO 2024.# BEFORE WORKING IN THE LEGISLATURE HE WAS A SPECIAL# INVESTIGATOR FOR THE STATE OF HAWAII.# SAM MOKU WAS APPOINTED BY MAYOR BLANGIARDI AS THE CITY# AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU’S HOMELESS COORDINATOR IN# JANUARY.

PRIOR TO HIS APPOINTMENT, HE# SERVED AS THE MAYOR’S CHIEF OF STAFF.# HE WORKED IN EXECUTIVE ROLES AT HAWAII PACIFIC UNIVERSITY# FROM 2013 TO 2021 INCLUDING VICE PRESIDENT AND THE# EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ATHLETICS AND COMMUNITY# RELATIONS.

SALMAH RIZVI IS THE EXECUTIVE# DIRECTOR AND CEO OF THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION# (ACLU) OF HAWAII.

SHE IS THE FOUNDER OF THE# AMERICAN MUSLIM BAR ASSOCIATION.# SHE HAS A LAW DEGREE FROM NYU A MS FROM GEORGETOWN AND A BA# FROM JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY.

SHE WAS BORN IN INDONESIA.# SHE CURRENTLY RESIDES IN HONOLULU WITH HER HUSBAND AND# CHILDREN.

JENNIFER DARRAH-OKIKE IS AN# ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF SOCIOLOGY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF# HAWAII AT MANOA.

SHE RECEIVED HER PHD IN# SOCIOLOGY FROM BROWN UNIVERSITY.# SHE IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE GROUP HUI ALOHA, WHICH DOES# OUTREACH AND SUPPORTS COMMUNITY BUILDING WITH THE# HOUSELESS POPULATION ON OAHU.

>>Lauren: I WANT TO START WITH YOU.# AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHAT IS BEING DONE# TO TRY AND FIGHT THIS PROBLEM AND ADDRESS## THE HOMELESS SITUATION IN HAWAII.

>> DOING OUR BEST TO BUILD KAUHALE.# BUILD BEDS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS.

HOUSING TOP MEDICINE ANYONE IN NEED.# SUFFER TRAUMA.

HOUSING IS# THE BEST MEDICINE FOR THEM.# >>Lauren: AND SAM, YOU COVER HONOLULU COUNTY.# COUNTY LEVEL, OBVIOUSLY OAHU HAS THE# LARGEST NUMBER OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS,## WHO IS BEING DONE HERE.

>> WELL, I THINK PARTNERSHIP## WITH OUR BOSSES HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED.

I THINK THE PARTNERSHIP WILL BE EFFECTIVE## PART OF BUILDING KAUHALES, NOT JUST# ON OAHU, BUT ACROSS THE ISLAND NATION.# AND HAVING AS JOHN SAID, HAVING SHELTER# AND HOUSING FOR HOMELESS, IS THE GOAL.# >>Lauren: JOHN, CAN YOU GIVE US UPDATE, WHERE ARE# WE RIGHT NOW WITH HOMELESS SITUATION IN HAWAII?# WE HAVE A GRAPHIC I THINK WE'LL PULL# UP THOSE NUMBERS.

HAVE GOTTEN BETTER.# >> 12% UPTICK IN HOMELESS.

OAHU SIMILAR, 12% UPTICK.# NEIGHBOR ISLANDS FLAT.

SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR## ISLANDS WENT DOWN.

MOST POPULATION ON OAHU.

BACK TO WHAT SAM MENTIONED, UNPRECEDENTED## RELATIONSHIP, FRIENDSHIP.

SAM MOKU AND MYSELF,## MAYOR BLANGIARDI, GOVERNOR GREEN.

CLOSE-KNIT COLLABORATION CHANGE THE TIDE ADDRESS## HOMELESS FIRST TIME IN TWO 2 OR 3 DECADE.

WE THINK WE CAN SUCCESSFULLY MANAGE## HOMELESS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

>>Lauren: AS YOU WERE JUST TALKING## PULLED UP THAT GRAPHIC.

>> I THINK IS SAID 6200,## IF I'M REMEMBERING NUMBER CORRECTLY, HOMELESS# INDIVIDUALS ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT IN HAWAII.# WHEN WAS THAT NUMBER TAKEN.

HOW ACCURATE DO YOU THINK THAT NUMBER IS.# >> TAKEN JANUARY, I REMEMBER 5:30 IN# THE MORNING DOING POINT IN TIME COUNT.# THAT NUMBER IS, SNAPSHOT.

SNAPSHOT.# IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE BACK AREA WITH# WAHIAWA, WHITMORE, WAIANAE VALLEY,## HAWAII KAI, PLACE OFF BEATEN PATH YOU HAVE# ABE NUMBER OF HOMELESS AREN'T EVEN COUNTED.# SNAPSHOT OF HOMELESSNESS PURSUANT TO HUD# COMPLIANCE, THAT'S KIND OF DECENT COUNT.# NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE BUT DECENT.

CHIME IN ON THIS.# OTHER NUMBER WE HAD.

34% CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.# WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

>> NEED BEDS MANY FLAVORS.# NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

YOU NEED SHELTERS FOR KUPUNA.# YOU NEED SHELTER FOR FAMILIES.

YOU NEED SHELTERS FOR INDIVIDUAL## MALES WHO ARE DRUG ADDICTED.

OR MENTALLY ILL.# >> AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE THE STRATEGY# THAT THE STATE AND CITY IS LOOKING AT.# BUILDING DIFFERENT BEDS OF MANY FLAVORS.

>>Lauren: JENNIFER, LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT## WHAT YOU TEACH AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII.

>> YOU COVER SOCIOLOGY.# BROAD TOPIC.

>> KNOW YOU DO FOCUS ON## HOMELESSNESS AT LEAST FOR PART OF THE CLASS.

ARE THESE NUMBERS CONCERNING TO YOU?# >> ABSOLUTELY.

SO U.H.

IN DEPARTMENT OF SOCIOLOGY,## I HAVE SOCIOLOGY STUDENTS VERY HAPPY TO SAY# THAT JOHN MIZUNO IS ONE OF OUR SOCIOLOGY ALUM.# TEACH COURSE URBAN SOCIOLOGY AND ABSOLUTELY# THIS ISSUE RESONATES WITH OUR STUDENTS.# FACULTY, ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

FACING CRISES.

IT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT OUR## NEIGHBORS ON THE STREET.

OUR STUDENTS LIVE HOUSING CRUNCH.# HOW HARD IT IS TO GET HOUSING.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I TRY TO EMPHASIZE## IN MY CLASSES TO DESTIGMATIZE THE ISSUE.

LET'S BREAK UP SOME MYTHS.# WHAT THE CAUSES?

WHAT ARE THE ROOT CAUSES OF HOMELESS?# LACK OF HOUSING.

LACK OF PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.# AND IT'S NO SURPRISE THEREFORE THAT HAWAII AS# SECOND ONLY TO CALIFORNIA IF ANY, ANYWHERE IN THE## COUNTRY, HAS THE HIGHEST RENTAL HOUSING COSTS.

SO ITS NO SURPRISE THAT WE'RE REGULARLY## UNFORTUNATELY LEADING IN TERMS# OF PER CAPITA HOMELESS RATES.# TRY TO GET THE STUDENTS THINK IN BIG PICTURE WAY.

REALLY ABOUT HOUSING.# MANY FOLKS WHO ARE CHALLENGED AND GETTING STABLE# HOUSING DOESN'T MAKE THEM FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.# I THINK THERE IS A RISK THAT WE FACE IN OUR# CONVERSATIONS AND EVEN OUR IMAGERY AROUND## HOMELESS THAT CAN BE STIGMATIZING# CREATE AND PERPETUATE STEREOTYPES.# >>Lauren: CURIOUS FROM THE ACLU# PERSPECTIVE, HEAR THAT 12% NUMBER## INCREASE IN HOMELESS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT'S GONE UP HERE IN HAWAII.# IS THAT CONCERNING?

>> OF COURSE.# NUMBERS ARE CONCERNING.

BUT SO TOO ARE THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH HOUSELESS## NEIGHBORS EXIST EVERY DAY AND AT THE ACLU WE WANT# TO MAKE SURE RIGHTS ARE ADORNED EQUALLY TO ALL## CITIZENS EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE.

DON'T HAVE MONEY.# ON THE STREET, YOU HAVE BASIC# CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND## CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS THAT HAVE TO BE GRANTED.

ALWAYS THIS DEBATE BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY,## THOSE WE SEE ON THE STREETS AS WELL AS# AUTONOMY AND FREEDOM OF HOUSELESS FOLKS.# WE TRY TO ENSURE AS WE FINDING SOLUTIONS TO# CRISES, HOUSELESS CRISES, ALSO ENSURE THAT## FOLKS ARE TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

DUE PROCESS, LIFE LIBERTY PURSUIT HAPPINESS.# AND ARE NOT TREATED WITH# CRUEL OR UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.# WHAT IS MOST CONCERNING IS THAT THERE IS# THIS LINK BETWEEN THE CERCERAL SYSTEM.# OVER 60% OF HAWAII STATE PRISONS ARE# THERE WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING CONVICTED.# OF ANY CRIME.

THEY'RE THERE ON## PRETRIAL TEE DETENTION CAN'T AFFORD BAIL.

VAST MAJORITY ARE HOUSELESS.# SEE THIS USHERING OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND NOW WITH# THE INCREASE IN HOUSELESSNESS, MIGHT SEE USHERING## MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORS INTO THE SYSTEM.

THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COME OUT OF.# THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE ACLU# OF HAWAII, MAKE SURE THEY ARE PROTECTED.# >>Lauren: GET INTO A LITTLE BIT# MORE OF THE ROOT CAUSE AND NUMBER## OF BEDS THAT WAS SORT OF THE THING.

YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY BEING OUT## THERE TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES.

CURIOUS IF YOU CAN SHARE MAYBE SOME OF THE## STORIES THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.

THEY SHARED TO YOU HOW THEY## GOT THERE OR WE HEAR THIS 12% NUMBER.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WORKS## WITH THEM DIRECTLY.

>> YEAH.# I'LL ACTUALLY POINT TO DIFFERENT# NUMBER AS WELL TO KEEP IN MIND.# SPEAKING OF HONOLULU, WE HAVE ABOUT 45# HUNDREDS OF THAT 6,000 OR SO STATEWIDE.# >> AND 62% LATEST POINT IN# TIME CONSIDERED UNSHELTERED.# LIVING UNDERPASSES, BEACHES,# PARKS, CARS, SIDEWALKS.# AND SO IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE# DONE WITH COLLEAGUES, WE TALKED TO FOLKS## FIRSTHAND ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED, DOING VOLUNTEER WORK## WITH HUI ALOHA GIVEN ME A CHANCE TO GET TO# KNOW FOLKS FIRSTHAND LIVING UNSHELTERED OR## WHO MAY BE IN AND OUT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF# TRANSITIONAL OR EMERGENCY HOUSING SITUATIONS.# I WILL SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

SO THINGS THAT I HEARD,## THINGS THAT I TALK TO MY OWN FAMILY ABOUT.

BUT SOME OF MOST STRIKING AND CONCERNING## THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH SALMAH WAS GETTING AT.

HOW PEOPLE EXPERIENCED BOTH DIFFICULTIES OF## FINDING A STABLE AND HEALTHY PLACE TO# LIVE AND FACING SOME OF THE WHETHER## CALLED ENFORCEMENTS AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS# GET TICKETING CITATION THREAT OF CITATION.# REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE OR RELOCATE.

HUI ALOHA WORK, I HEARD STORIES THAT ABSOLUTELY## BROKE MY HEART AND KNOWS WERE SURPRISING.

>> I THINK SURPRISING TO ALL OF US## WE DON'T WANT THAT.

>> DON'T INTEND THAT.# CERTAIN POLICIES MEANT TO DO# IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THE PUBLIC.# >> THAT IS WHAT PULLED ME TO BE INVOLVED IN THE# ACLU LAWSUIT BECAUSE JUST HEARING PEOPLE LOSING## MEDICATION, PEOPLE LOSING CHERISHED FAMILY PHOTOS,# IDENTIFICATION, ONE OF THE PLAINTIFFS IN YOUR CASE## HAD A PARTNER REQUIRED A SPECIALIZED WHEELCHAIR.

UNFORTUNATELY THROUGH SOME ENFORCEMENT ACTION,## BECAUSE THEY NOWHERE ELSE# TO GO, STAYING IN A PARK.# AND HER WHEELCHAIRS WOULD GET REMOVED.

VERY HARD FOR THEM TO GET IT BACK.# SO THOSE STORIES JUST REALLY CONCERNING AND# SHOWS HOW HARD IT IS ON TOP OF HOW HARD IT## IS TO FIND AFFORDABLE STABLE PLACE TO LIVE# THAT PEOPLE WERE UNFORTUNATELY FACING A LOT## OF HARDSHIP DUE TO SOME OF THE POLICING.

I DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST AGENCIES OR STATE.# GOOD FOLKS REALLY CARE# TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.# BUT THAT WAS ONE THING I LEARNED BOTH# IN RESEARCH AND HOUSING OUTREACH.# >>Lauren: HAVE THEY SHARED SOME OF THE CHALLENGE# WHY THEY DON'T FOR TO A SHELTER OR KAUHALE?# I KNOW THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING# I'VE HEARD COMMUNITY MEMBERS SAY.# WE HAVE SHELTERS.

>> WHY DON'T## THEY GO THERE.

>> AS SAM PUT IT,## BEAUTIFULLY, NEED FOR HOUSING MANY FLAVORS.

SO I MEAN, I THINK THE FIRST ISSUE WE## ALL NEED TO FOCUS ON IS JUST THE# DIRE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.# AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING PERMANENT# PERMANENT AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING.# >> FIRST ISSUE.

>> GET INTO WHEN PEOPLE DON'T## HAVE THAT, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS?

EMERGENCY SHELTERS ARE OPTIONS.# TRANSITIONEL SHELTERS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT EMERGENCY SHELTERS## WHAT IS ISSUE THERE?

LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.# IT'S SORT OF NUMBERS, ANNUAL BASIS, BUT# ACTUALLY NOT ENOUGH EMERGENCY BEDS TO MEET,## SATISFY THE NEEDS OF SOME 4500 PEOPLE# ON THIS ISLAND AT LEAST ON GIVEN NIGHT.# THAT DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO STAY PERMANENTLY.

SO THAT IS A MISMATCH.# ACTUALLY.

AREN'T EVEN ENOUGH BEDS IN MY OPINION.# IN THAT BIG PICTURE SENSE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SORT## OF PRACTICAL AND FUNCTIONAL BARRIERS.

SO IMAGINE YOU'RE A KUPUNA.# CAN'T GET UP AND THE TOP BUNK.

THAT'S THE SPOT AVAILABLE.# YOU CAN'T GO THERE.

YOU NEED THOSE MANY FLAVORS.# IMAGINE YOU DO NEED WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE.

NOT ALL OF THE EMERGENCY SHELTERS ARE## GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FUNCTIONAL## BARRIERS FOLKS LOVE PETS.

>> WE ALL LOVE OUR PETS.# THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT# CAME UP IN THE ACLU LAWSUIT.# GOING TO EMERGENCY SHELTERS MAYBE THEY# HAVE 3 PETS, 4 PETS, HAVE PARTNER.# LOCATION.

SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO FOLKS.# NEED TO BE NEAR JOBS, NEAR OHANA.

LOCATIONAL CONSTRAINTS WITHOUT#CARS.# >> PRACTICAL AND FUNCTIONAL CHALLENGES# TO ACCESSING EMERGENCY SHELTERS.# REAL ISSUE IS NOT ENOUGH.

WHY IT'S REALLY HEARTENING TO## SEE COMMITMENT TO CREATING PERMANENTLY# AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF ALL TYPES.# >>Lauren: EARLIER SINCE WE'RE ON TO# TOPIC OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE,## WE NEED MORE FLAVORS OF HOUSING.

TELL US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN## KAUHALE AND SHELTER FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW.

>> YOU HAVE SHELTERS KAUHALES ARE STATE HAS## BEEN LOOKING AT VARIOUS SITES FOR KAUHALE.

YOU HAVE A MEDICAL RESPITE THAT'S A SHELTER## CONSIDERED A SHELTER.

NOT A PERMANENT SHELTER.# BUT IT'S THERE TO HELP HOMELESS, TO GET# TRIAGE ON ANY MEDICAL ISSUES THEY HAVE.# AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO RECOVER# FROM AN ADDICTION IF THEY HAVE.# YOU ALSO HAVE FAMILY SHELTERS, WAIKIKI VISTA IS# ONE OF THOSE SHELTERS THAT CATHOLIC CHARITY RUNS.# YOU HAVE MALE SHELTERS THAT CONNIE MITCHELL RUNS.

IHS RUNS.# SO THOSE BEDS OF MANY FLAVORS AND ACTUALLY WHEN# WE BUILD, CREATE OUR SHELTER IN IWILEI CENTER,## WITH 100 BEDS, YOU'LL HAVE CONNIE LOOK AT# DOING REALLY NICE SHELTER FOR THOSE WHO## NEED THAT ONE STEP OR THAT ONE MONTH THEY# NEED IN ORDER TO GET TO PERMANENT SHELTER.# SO IT'S ABOUT MOVING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.

DOESN'T WORK FOR EVERYBODY.# BUT THERE IS WAYS TO MOVE OUR# HOMELESS FROM ONE TO THE NEXT STAGE## IN ORDER TO GET THEM BACK INTO SOCIETY.

>>Lauren: CAN WE BUILD MORE KAUHALES?# DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SHELTERS.

>> 100%.# WE NEED TO BUILD MORE KAUHALE.

LIGHT SPEED.# WE NEED MORE BEDS.

EVERY BED COUNTS.# EVERY LIFE COUNTS.

WE WANT IT FIGHT TO SAVE LIVES.# >> I DID WANT TO EXPAND UPON# SOMETHING THAT DR.#JENNIFER MENTIONED.# ESPECIALLY ON BEHALF OF SAM AND I.

WE APPRECIATE ACLU AND WE APPRECIATE THEIR## FIGHT TO ENSURE CIVIL RIGHTS FOR OUR PEOPLE.

RIGHT THING TO DO.# WE LOVE THAT JENNIFER AND SALMAH# FIGHT TO PROTECT RIGHTS OF HOMELESS.# WE SUPPORT THIS PLIGHT AND SAM AND I ARE WORKING# FOR HOMELESS TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HEALTH CARE.# SAM AND I ARE FIGHTING FOR HOMELESS# TO HAVE THE RIGHT FOR MENTAL HEALTH.# RIGHT FOR SOCIAL AND HEALTH# SERVICE DEAL WITH THEIR ADDICTION.# PEOPLE THAT COME BACK FROM DEFEND OUR COUNTRY.

>> RIGHT TO GET THE PROPER HEALTH FOR TRAUMA## THAT THEY SUFFERED DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.

MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT PROBABLY BE, IN ADDITION## TO RIGHT ENJOY LIFE AND LIBERTY.

RIGHT TO HOUSING.# POWERFUL MEDICINE FOR ANYONE HOMELESS.

WE AGREE WITH SALMAH AND DR.#JENNIFER.# APPRECIATE WHAT ACLU IS DOING.

IT'S A BALANCING TEST.# SO STILL IN AGREEMENT WITH ACLU.

WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT.# ALSO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS THE RIGHT# TO FEEL SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO.# AND FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE A DISABILITY, I# HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FRIENDS THAT ON WHEELCHAIRS.# THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH# A CROSSWALK AND GO THROUGH SIDEWALK## WITHOUT BEING BLOCKED BY A TENT OR STRUCTURE.

SO I THINK PROTECTING EVERYONE'S RIGHTS AND WE## APPRECIATE WHAT ACLU AND DR.#JENNIFER IS DOING.

ACTUALLY ARE IN ALIGNMENT AND## GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK.

>>Lauren: I WANT TO GO TO YOU.# BIG SUPREME COURT DECISION IN THE NEWS RECENTLY.

ON THE DECISION ON THE GRANTS PASS CASE.# CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT.

WHERE IS THE ACLU STAND ON IT,## HOW DOES IT IMPACT HAWAII'S INDIVIDUALS?

>> GRANTS PASS CASE IS SHOCKING AND WHAT HORRIBLE## DECISION THAT HAS COME OUT OF U.S. SUPREME COURT.

NUMBER OF VERY REGRESSIVE DECISIONS## COMING OUT OF OUR HIGHEST COURT.

THIS DECISION ESSENTIALLY HOLDS THAT## IT IS OKAY FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO ESSENTIALLY# CRIMINALIZE HOUSELESS NEIGHBORS EVEN IF THEY## DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO.

THIS DECISION OVER TURNS U.S.## COURT OF APPEALS 9TH CIRCUIT PRECEDENT.

MARTIN V. BOISE SAID THAT'S CITY CANNOT## ENFORCE PUBLIC ORDINANCES AGAINST HOUSELESS# NEIGHBORS IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE## SHELTER BEDS TO PROVIDE THEM A SAFE SPACE TO LIVE.

THIS CASE MARTIN V. BOISE WAS INSTRUMENTAL CASE IN## TRYING TO AS JOHN SAID,# ESTABLISH A RIGHT TO HOUSING.# AND TO ENSURE THAT FOLKS ARE TREATED WITH DIGNITY.

SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED THAT CASE NOW.# AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE# ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS MORE ENFORCEMENT## OF THESE PUBLIC ORDINANCES, WHETHER THOSE ARE# ANTI-CAMPING ORDINANCES, SIT/LIE ORDINANCES,## TRESPASSING ORDINANCES, AGAINST HOUSELESS# NEIGHBOR THAT IS HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.# IN THAT OPINION, JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR# SAID THIS OPINION IS ESSENTIALLY## UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND UNCONSCIONABLE.

>> DID NOT AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF COURT.# UNDERSTOOD THAT, BIOLOGICAL NECESSITY IS SLEEP.

WE'RE ESSENTIALLY CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE SLEEPING## ON THAT STREET THAT HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

HOW IS THAT NOT CRUEL OR UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT?# INSOFAR AS HOW THIS IMPACTS HAWAII, I# KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NUMBER OF STATE## OFFICIALS THAT SAY DESPITE THIS DECISION,# YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE MORE ENFORCEMENT.# STATE IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE POLICE SOMETHING# TO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AS THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGING.# WE'LL BE WATCHING AT THE ACLU OF HAWAII.

WE AT THE ACLU HAWAII BELIEVE THAT## THIS CASE IS FEDERAL DECISION.

THAT INTERPRETS FEDERAL CONSTITUTION## IN THE 8TH AMENDMENT CRUEL AND UNUSUAL CLAUSE.

WE HEAR AT THE STATE OF HAWAII WE HAVE OUR## HAWAII STATE CONSTITUTION THAT PROVIDES# FOR OTHER MECHANISMS OF PROTECTION.# SO OUR CONSTITUTION ARTICLE ONE SECTION 2,# DOES NOT USE THE WORD CRUEL AND UNUSUAL.# LIKE THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.

IT USES WORDS CRUEL OR UNUSUAL.# MEANING THAT STILL ROOM FOR US TO INTERPRET# LAWS AND PROTECTIONS OF HOUSELESS NEIGHBORS## UNDER OUR OWN STATE CONSTITUTION.

AND THERE'S ALSO ARTICLE#9, SECTION 10,## SOMETHING CALLED THE SPLINTERED PADDLE LAW.

WHICH IS LAW THAT WAS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED BY## KING KAMEHAMEHA NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH# THE STORY, BUT HE HAD GONE TO PUNA AND AT THAT## THE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS FISHING COMMUNITY.

HE WAS HIT WITH A PADDLE THAT SPLINTERED.# IN THAT MOMENT, HE HAD THIS OVERWHELMING# COMPASSION TO SAY THAT TO SAY THAT FOLKS## WHO LAYING IN THE STREET HAD NOWHERE# ELSE TO GO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SLEEP.# AND THAT LAW HAS NOT YET BEEN FULLY ENFORCED# OR INTERPRETED UNDER OUR STATE CONSTITUTION.# IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF MECHANISMS## THAT I THINK WE CAN USE TO PUSH BACK# ON THIS SUPREME COURT DECISION LOCALLY.# >>Lauren: CURIOUS TO HEAR YOU CHIME IN ON THIS.

HOW DOES THE COUNTY DECIDE WHEN TO ENFORCE,## WHEN TO DO SWEEPS, THAT SORT OF THING?

>> SO JUST LET ME BE CLEAR.# WE HAVE ORDINANCES STORED# PROPERTY ORDINANCES, AND S AND O.# SIDEWALK NUISANCE, THAT IS# NOT A HOMELESS STRATEGY.# IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SPACES, SIDEWALKS, AND PARKS# THAT ARE USED BEING USED FOR LIKE IF I WAS TO GO## AND PUT A TENT IN THE PARK, I WOULD GET CITED.

SO IF YOU HAVE OR IF YOU WHAT OUR CITY FOLKS,## WE GO AND AGAIN ENGAGE.

GIVE NOTICE HOW WE'RE GOING## GO ABOUT OUR STORED PROPERTY ORDINANCE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE NOTICE TO## ACLU EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT TIMES GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND WE'RE BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC## HAS ACCESS TO WALKING ON THE SIDEWALKS.

HAVING FAIR RIGHT OF WAY## INTO BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.

SO I THINK WHAT THE CITY IS DOING ON## THAT FRONT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMELESSNESS.

IT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO JOHN AND I ARE## TRYING TO DO IS TO BUILD MORE SHELTERS.

SO THAT WHEN THESE ENFORCEMENTS HAPPEN, OUR HPD## ASKS AND SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE ALSO AWARE OF THIS.

AND WE HELP THEM FIND SHELTER.# BED SPACES FROM WHATEVER# SOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE.# >>Lauren: SOME OF OUR VIEWER QUESTION.

>> WE'VE GOT A LOT COMING IN.# SINCE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC.

ERIC IN KAILUA ASKING,## FOLLOWING WHAT ACLU REPRESENTATIVE WAS SAYING# I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE STATE AND CITY## PEOPLE ON HOW THE POLICE AND JUDICIARY ARE# INCLUDED IN THE EFFORTS TO END HOMELESSNESS.# THEY ARE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE LAW.

BUT ARE THE LAWS FAIR?# >> FOR SAM OR JOHN.

>> YOU BETTER GO, JOHN.# >> OKAY.

>> THANKS.# AT THIS POINT, VIOLATING THE LAW, FIRST OF# ALL, TO ADDRESS THE GRANTS PASS DE.. EFFECT FOR THE STATE, ENFORCEMENT, LET ME JUST# FLAT OUT SAY UNDER GOVERNOR GREEN ADMINISTRATION,## WE DON'T DO SWEEPS FLAT OUT.

STATE DOES NOT CONDUCT SWEEPS.# NOW, HOW WE BEST HELP OUR PEOPLE IN NEED?

WE FOCUS ON RELOCATION.# IF I'M HOMELESS GUY, WORK TO GET ME INTO A PLACE.

KAUHALE.# SUFFERED TRAUMA.

>> NEED HELP.# KAUHALE WOULD BE THE BEST ANSWER.

LIKE A VILLAGE.# PROVIDED, I'M GOING TO BE PROVIDED AS A HOMELESS# PERSON WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICERS HEALTH CARE,## HAVE MEALS, ARE SHOWERS RESTROOM SECURITY.

GOING ALLOW ME TO RECOVER, HEAL, AND GET## BETTER AND GET ON MY FEET.

SO THAT'S A WHOLE CONCEPT.# STATE DOES NOT DO SWEEPS.

WOULD LIKE RELOCATE## PEOPLE LIKE RELOCATION INTO KAUHALE.

UNFORTUNATELY, TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS## THE NOT GOING TO FIT FOR EVERYONE.

I'M A GUY DOES NOT WANT ANY HELP.# NOT GOING TO GO TO KAUHALE.

THAT'S OUR POSITION.# NO SWEEPS.

>>Lauren: SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF KAUHALE,## GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM VIEWERS ON THAT.

BILL IN MCCULLY ASKING, HOW LONG CAN SOMEONE## STAY IN A KAUHALE UNIT?

>> WANT THEM TO GET IT?# DEPENDS GO TO CITY RESOURCE# CENTER, A TRIAGE CENTER.# PROBABLY GOING TO BE THERE# NO MORE THAN 3 OR 4 MONTHS.# BECAUSE IHS TRY TO TRIAGE AND CONNIE GET THEM# INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.# SENIORS, FOREVER.

BEDS OF MANY FLAVORS.# CONNIE MITCHELL HAS DRUG REHAB, DETOX KAUHALE,# GET OUT OF DETOX, OF 6 MONTH, 8 MONTH.# PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

THAT BED OPENS UP ANOTHER## PERSON COMES IN RE-ENTRY.

GETTING OUT OF PRISON.# SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.

VILLAGE OF REDEMPTION.

STAY THERE## FOR SIX MONTHS, 8 MONTHS.

GET A JOB.# >> BACK TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

>>Lauren: STAY ON.# QUESTION FOR YOU.

CALLER FROM MILILANI.

REGARDING KAUHALE WHY HE WON'T THE STATE## BUILD THEM STATE LAND.

26#ACRES IN PEARL CITY.# STATE OWNS.

THEN KIND OF TIED INTO MOANA'S QUESTION## HERE ASKING ABOUT WANTS TO KNOW ANYTHING NEW AS# FAR AS RECENT FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN OPENED,## OR ANYTHING THAT CITY AND THE STATE IS WORKING ON.

>> WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.# >>Lauren: WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.

>> STATE LAND, GOOD QUESTION.# DEPENDS.

>> SAM AND I WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.# PROBABLY BEST TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

LOVE TO HAVE WATER, SEWER, ELECTRICITY.# IF WE CAN CONNECT TO SECURE, GREAT# THE CONNECTIVITY WATER, EXCELLENT.# FOR ELECTRICITY, MOVING TO SOLAR NOW.

BECAUSE A LOT CHEAPER.

MORE EXPENSIVE AT## THE START, BUT CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN.

IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY## OFF THE GRID, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

GOT TO PLACE COSTING US SIGNIFICANT## AMOUNTS OF MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SOLAR.

PAYING ABOUT $40,000 A MONTH DIESEL FUEL## FOR GENERATORS TO PROVIDE ELECTRICITY.

SEWER WILL NOT CONNECTED TO SEWER LINE.# EVERY 2 DAYS, WASTEWATER TAKEN OUT.

COSTING ABOUT $40,000 A MONTH.# THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL.

AS WE LEARN AND EVOLVE FROM OUR## FIRST KAUHALE, GOING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.

WE HAVE LAND, IT HAS TO BE GOOD LAND.# COMMUNITY HAS TO BE OPEN TO THIS.

AND ACCEPT THE KAUHALE IN THAT AREA.# WE NEED TO GET INFRASTRUCTURE.

>>Lauren: GOING BACK TO MOANA QUESTION.# ASKING ABOUT HASN'T CITY AND STATE OPENED NEW# FACILITIES OR ABOUT TO OPEN NEW FACILITIES?# SHE BASICALLY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS NEW WHEN# IT COMES TO WHAT THE CITY AND STATE IS DOING## TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

>> WAIKIKI VISTA.# >> WAIKIKI VISTA IS ONE OF THOSE# SHELTERS FOR FAMILIES WE MENTIONED.# >> CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS RUNNING THAT.

ALSO JUST OPENED UP MEDICAL RESPITE WITH## DR.#MISCOVITCH AT FIRST HAWAIIAN BANK.

>> AALA RESPITE.# THEY HAVE ABOUT 30 MEDICAL BEDS# INSIDE AND 30 SMALL KAUHALE UNITS## ON THE PARKING LOT AREA IN IWILEI CENTER.

WE ARE EMBARKING ON ANOTHER PARTNERSHIP## WITH THE STATE AND CONNIE MITCHELL# AND ANOTHER SERVICE PROVIDER WILL,## BUILDING 100 BEDS IN THE IWILEI CENTER.

THERE'S 100 BEDS CENTER.# OTHER WITH CONNIE MITCHELL 68 TO 75 BEDS.

>> YES.# EVENT WILL HE, THERE WILL BE A KAUHALE IN IWILEI.

>> RIGHT.# >> IN THE EMPTY DOH LOT.

>> PIVOTING TO WEST SIDE.# BECAUSE TWO HOT SPOTS.

SAM HAD MADE THIS POINT IN THE## WHEN HE WITH GOT TWO HOT SPOTS.

WEST SIDE, AND IWILEI.# SITES WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR# BEST TO BRING KAUHALE TO.# >> LOOK AT SHELTERS OUT IN# HAU'ULA CITY OWNS TOWN HOMES.# ALSO BE FOR FAMILIES ALSO IN WAHIAWA.

LOOKING AT, ALSO HAVE TOWN HOMES## IN WAHIAWA OPEN FOR FAMILIES.

>> SAM ALSO LOOKING AT HAWAII KAI.# NOT MY BACKYARD.

>> GOT A LIST OF## LOCATIONS THAT CITY PROPERTY OWNED.

WAIANAE, HAWAII KAI, WHEREVER.# AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PARTNER UP WITH# THE STATE TO BUILD MORE SHELTERS.# EQUITY THING.

WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE COMMUNITY IS GOOD FOR ANOTHER.# PUT ONE IN HAWAII KAI.

>> YEAH.# >>Lauren: CURIOUS, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC# OF BEDS, JOHN ASKING, YOU KEEP SAYING THERE'S## A LACK OF HOUSING SHELTER SPACE.

IN THE LAST POINT IN TIME COUNT,## THERE WERE HUNDREDS EMPTY BEDS NOTED.

HOW IS THERE A LACK OF BED SPACE?# JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE.

CHIME IN.# IS THAT TRUE THERE'S A LACK OF BED SPACE?

OR JUST GETTING PEOPLE IN THOSE## BEDS CAN BE DIFFICULT.

>> COMBINATION OF BOTH.# I THINK IT'S GETTING THEM IN THE BED.

IT'S NOT GOING TO ..

BUT GOT TO BE DILIGENT.

EVENTUALLY, THEY MIGHT SEE THE LIGHT AND## IT'S TIME TO MOVE IN AND GET LIFE BACK IN ORDER.

>> HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING OUR SHELTERS FILLED.# KAUHALE BEEN EASY.

THEY HAVE THREE MEALS A DAY.# SHOWER, RESTROOM.

INDEPENDENT.# THEY HAVE PRIVACY.

SO KAUHALE ALWAYS FILLED.# 100%.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BUILDING MORE KAUHALE.# GET MORE BEDS FILLED.

SAM RIGHT.# WOULD LOVE THAT ALL THE SHELTERS ARE FILLED.

THEY'RE NOT.# KAUHALE, PEOPLE LOVE THEM.

100% FILLED.# >> I SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.

I WANT TO UNDERSCORE THE NEED## FOR MULTIPLE DURABLE SOLUTIONS.

ABSOLUTELY KAUHALE.# PROVEN SOLUTIONS INCLUDE VOUCHERS.

>> YES.# >> VARIOUS KINDS OF VOUCHERS.

>> HOUSING FIRST VOUCHERS,## REGULAR SECTION 8 PROGRAMS.

RECENT POINT IN TIME COUNT,## I NOTICED SUCCESS IN THE INCREASE FROM 286 TO# 900 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ABLE TO USE LEVERAGE.# FUNDS FOR EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS.

PUBLIC HOUSING, THERE'S A COMMITMENT## FROM HAWAII PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY TO BUILD# 10,000 MORE UNITS WHAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.# WHY GIVEN NIGHT ARE SOME INDIVIDUAL# LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO STAY?# COULD BE VERY, VERY HARD.

ESPECIALLY FOR EXAMPLE IF## YOU HAVE OTHER BARRIERS INCLUDING DISABILITY.

I MEAN, ACTUALLY AS A SIDE POINT WE KNOW THAT## OVER TWO THIRDS HAVE, OF THE HOMELESS, SHELTER# AND UNSHELTERED HAVE DISABLING CONDITIONS.# SO THAT'S A REAL ISSUE.

SO THERE IS A REAL HARDSHIP IN## FINDING PLACE WHEN YOU NEED IT.

AT THE SAME TIME, ONE OF MY## COLLEAGUES CALLS IT, REVOLVING DOOR.

EMERGENCY SHELTERS ARE NOT END POINT## SOME KAUHALE ARE GOING TO BE.

IF THEY WERE MADE PERMANENT.# NOT ALL KAUHALE ARE GOING TO BE PERMANENT.

IMPORTANT ISSUE TO FACE.# PEOPLE NEED PERMANENT HOUSING.

RESEARCH SHOWN THAT YOU HAVE SHELTERS.# PEOPLE ARE USING HOMELESS SERVICES.

OVERWHELMINGLY USING HOMELESS SERVICES.# BUT HOMELESS ARE STATE HOMELESS DATA SHOWS# THAT FOLKS EXITING FROM SERVICES MAJORITY OF## THEM ARE GOING BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS.

OR WE DON'T KNOW WHICH IS PROBABLY## A HIGHLY UNSTABLE SITUATION.

WHAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED I KEEP## SAYING SAME THING, PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE# HOUSING AND DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.# AND THAT IS WHAT COORDINATION IS NEEDED.

LEVERAGING DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING OPTIONS.# >> I DO WANT TO SEE,.

>> SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.# >> WANT TO VOUCHERS, MAYOR BLANGIARDI# WENT UP TO DC WITH THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE## AND DID REQUEST I WANT TO SEE ABOUT# $50#MILLION FOR VOUCHERS FOR THE CITY.# BECAUSE CITY HAS VOUCHERS AND# THE STATE HAS SECTION 8 VOUCHERS.# >> NUMBERS TOO, I THINK I WOULD LOVE FOR# THE VIEWERS TO WHILE THERE MAY BE EMPTY## BED SPACES AT DIFFERENT SHELTERS.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH## BEDS TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.

AS WE SAW THIS SNAPSHOT WAS I GUESS 4500 OR SO## IN JANUARY, BUTEL DR.#JENNIFER YOUR RESEARCH SHOWS# IF WE TAKE INTO CULMINATION ALL OF THE POTENTIAL## AVENUES FOR RELIEF, WHEN IT COMES TO BED.

>> THERE MIGHT BE AT MOST, 2500.# YOU'RE STILL HAVING ABOUT HALF OF# YOUR HOUSELESS POPULATION EVEN HAVING## NO OPTION OR NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

AND THIS IS WHY UNDER PREVIOUS LAW,## THAT JUST GOT OVERTURNED BY GRANTS PASS,# UNCONSCIONABLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO REMOVE## PEOPLE AND IN THESE SWEEPS AND DISPLACED# FOLKS BECAUSE THEY HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.# AS WE KNOW, STATE OF HAWAII, WE HAVE ONE OF# LARGEST OUT MIGRATION RATES IN THE COUNTRY.# MORE PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT OF OUR STATE THAN# SETTLING IN BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.# AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS KIND# OF RACIAL INJUSTICE COMPONENT OF THIS.# VAST MAJORITY FOLKS WHO ARE UNHOUSED# ARE NATIVE HAWAIIANS, PACIFIC ISLANDERS.# REALLY INTERESTING TO CONSIDER THAT HOUSELESS# NEIGHBORS ARE NOT NECESSARILY UNIQUE.# ONE OUT OF FOUR AMERICANS ARE# LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.# WHAT THE RISING COST OF LIVING IN HAWAII,# GROCERIES EVERYONE KNOWS HOW HARD IT IS## AND HOW HARD STRUGGLE AND HUSTLE IS HERE,# IN THE STATE, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.# THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LEAVE# WITH THEIR DIGNITY THAN STAY HERE AND BE## HOUSELESS AND THEN BE EXPOSED TO NUMBER OFTEN# FORCEMENT ACTIONS AND MAKING THEM FURTHER KIND## OF VULNERABLE IN THIS SOCIETY AND THIS SYSTEM.

>> WANTED TO ADD TO DR.#JENNIFER, GO REAL QUICK.# I AGREE 100%.

WE NEED MORE HOUSING.# >> AND WE BELIEVE SAM YOU AND I# BELIEVE KAUHALE IS THE ANSWER.# HOUSE PEOPLE HOMELESS, NOTHING PRECLUDES US# FROM USING KAUHALE FOR AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS.# RATHER HAVE PEOPLE GOING TO KAUHALE THAN MOVE# TO THE MAINLAND BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.# NOT WITH STANDING VIEWERS SAYING STILL GOT EMPTY# BED AND SHELTERS WHY DO WE NEED MORE KAUHALE?# WE DO PEOPLE FOR HOMELESS AND FACING HOUSING# STABILITY BECAUSE OF HIGH COST OF LIVING.# CONTINUE TO BUILD KAUHALE## AND GET BED IT'S FOR PEOPLE.

>> DO HAVE HAVE A GOAL IN MIND?# NUMBER OF KAUHALE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUILT.

>> YES.# ACTUALLY, MET WITH THE GOVERNOR WEDNESDAY MORNING.

AND I TOLD HIM, I THINK WE'RE EXCEEDING## EXPECTATIONS WORKING WITH# SAM AND MAYOR BLANGIARDI.# MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET 1,000# NEW BEDS BEFORE END OF 2024.# THOUGHT ONLY GOING TO GET ABOUT 500.

>> WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT YEAR AFTER THAT## WE THINK WE CAN GET ANOTHER 5 OR 600.

IF WE CAN CREATE UP TO HYPOTHETICALLY,## 3 YEARS, 2,000 BEDS, THAT'S HUGE.

CLOSE TO THE MARK OF THE CUTTING## CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.

ALMOST IN HALF.# IF WE'RE ABLE TO THAT AND MAINTAIN THAT FOR 3# OR 4 YEARS, DO SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER STATE## IN THIS NATION HAS DONE.

WE'LL HAVE FOUND A SECRET## CAUSE TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

IF WE DO THAT, OTHER STATES WILL## COPYCAT WHAT WE HAVE.

REPLICATE.# SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE BOLD.

TRYING TO BE EPIC.# TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY.

>>Lauren: KAUHALE BEDS.## WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING ABOUT THE# QUESTION WHY ARE THERE EMPTY UNUSED BEDS.# BEST DATA THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND# THROUGH YOUR OFFICE, ACTUALLY,## WAS REVIEWING VACANCY GRID REPORTS.

FOR 3 MONTH SAMPLE OF MONTHS.# IN 2023, THE RANGE ACCORDING TO THAT# DATA SOURCE WAS BETWEEN 3 AND 55 BEDS.# THINK ABOUT 1800 PEOPLE LIVING UNSHELTER AND# GIVEN NIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT BY THAT MEASURE,## WHICH IS DIFFERENT MEASURE THAN THE ONE WE'VE# BEEN TALKING ABOUT ANNUAL RATES BY THAT MEASURE,## THERE IS EXTREME SHORTAGE OF EVEN EMERGENCY BEDS.# ALL SORT OF SAYING WE NEED# MORE THAN EMERGENCY BEDS.# ALTHOUGH GRATEFUL TO THE FOLKS TRIED TO# PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, CERTAINLY NEEDED.# AS WELL.

AND WELCOME.# >>Lauren: WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER OF BEDS.

TIM FROM KAIMUKI DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF IDEA## NUMBERS WISE AS FAR AS POPULATION OF HOMELESS# WHO ARE IMPACTED BY WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL## ILLNESS OR DRUG ADDICTION?

>> SAM, 24 TO 30% I THINK.# >> RIGHT.

AROUND THERE.# >> DRUG ADDICTION, MENTAL CONDITIONS.

JUST ABOUT EVE.. HAS SUFFERED TRAUMA.

SOME WAY.# >>Lauren: MAKIKI, QUESTION, I THINK FOR# SALMAH AND OTHER FOLKS CAN CHIME IN.# HOW DID WE BALANCE WHAT THE ACLU# FIGHTS FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL,## AGAINST SECURITY CONCERNS OF COMMUNITY?

MANY HOMELESS ARE HARMLESS BUT OTHERS ARE NOT.# AND THERE ARE DO DOCUMENT THE CASES OF HARASSMENT# OR WORSE OF FAMILIES INCLUDING CHILDREN AT SOME## POINT COMMUNITY GETS TO FIGHT BACK.

EVERYONE CAN PROBABLY WEIGH IN ON.# OF COURSE.

AT THE ACLU HAWAII,## WE REALLY CARE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.

ACTUALLY, JUST LAST MONTH,## WE HELD REIMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY RETREAT.

AND IT WAS HELD WITH A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY## PARTNERS ACROSS THE STATE CAME TOGETHER TO# SAY THIS IS THE CURRENT RESPONSE TO HOUSELESS.# FIRST RESPONSE HOUSELESS FOLKS MET# WITH POLICE EVEN IF THEY WERE NO## DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S OFTEN THIS ABUNDANCE OF POLICE## INTERACTION WITH FOLKS WHO, AS JOHN# JUST MENTIONED, ARE ALREADY TRAUMATIZE## AND MAY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

SO EVEN HAVING THAT POLICE INTERACTION,## AS THE FIRST KIND OF END ALL BE ALL IS# PROBLEMATIC AND CAN LEAD TO WHETHER THAT## IS BEHAVIORS AND RECIDIVISM OR WANTING TO GO# BACK INTO, I THINK THE WAY IN WHICH HOUSELESS## NEIGHBORS ARE APPROACHED IS ALSO LEADING TO OTHER# PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT COMPOUND ONE ANOTHER.# I THINK THAT REALLY RATHER THAN ADDRESSING THOSE# ON THE STREET, WHO MAY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE DANGER## TO OTHERS, BUT IT'S CLEAR THEY HAVE MENTAL# HEALTH ISSUES AND NEED HELP, THERE ARE OTHER## MODEL AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WE CAN LOOK TO.

OREGON HAS SOMETHING CALLED CAHOOTS MODEL.# REALLY RATHER THAN SENDING FOLKS TO POLICE# OFFICERS TO TRY TO MANAGE A PUBLIC SAFETY## SITUATION, YOU'RE SENDING MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS# ALSO TRAINED IN THE FIRST INSTANCE OF RELIEF,## SO I THINK THAT THERE IS NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS# IN WHICH WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT BALANCE IS NICELY## REACHED AND EVEN WITH OUR LAST LAWSUIT, WHEN WE# SAID THAT WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT HOUSELESS FOLKS## HAVE THE RIGHT TO THIS BIOLOGICAL NECESSITY,# TO SLEEP, AND NOT BE CONTINUOUSLY DISPLACED,## WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THE NEED FOR, WE DIDN'T ARGUE# AGAINST THOSE WHO NEEDED TO CROSS THE STREET FOR## DIFFERENT SIDEWALK ORDINANCES.

WE SAID, YES, OF COURSE.# WE UNDERSTAND WE ALSO DO SO# MUCH DISABILITY RIGHTS WORK.# WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR# PATHWAYS FOR THINGS TO BE CLEARED.# JUST A MATTER OF IN SPACES HOUSELESS# NEIGHBORS ARE NOT BOTHERING ANYONE.# WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT# THEY'RE NOT, THEY ARE PROTECTED.# EVEN IF THE GOVERNOR HAS A POLICY NO SLEEPS# I LIVE IN DOWNTOWN CHINATOWN.

I SEE WHAT IS## HAPPENING EVERY DAY.

THERE MIGHT BE A POLICY OF# NO SWEEPS YOU ABOUT DEFINITELY YOU SEE HPD AND## HARASSMENT OF THE HOUSELESS NEIGHBORS SEE SORT# OF SEIZING AN SOMETIMES DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY.# TO US, WHERE IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR OUR# HOUSELESS NEIGHBORS WHERE IS THERE SENSE.# ALREADY SO VULNERABLE ON THE STREET,# BEING DEPRIVED FURTHER AND FURTHER.# BEAUTIFUL VICTORY IN THE SUPREME COURT PAST# SPRING WHERE CASE CALLED DAVIS V BISSEN.# U.S. SUPREME COURT HAD HELD THAT EVERYONE# HAS RIGHT TO LIFE LIBERTY AND PROPERTY.# AND HOUSELESS FOLKS HAVE A PROPERTY INTEREST IN## BELONGINGS AND THE WHEELCHAIR AND PASSPORT.

THINGS THAT SOMETIMES GET CAUGHT UP IN SWEEPS.# THE SUPREME COURT SAID MUNICIPALITIES# HAVE TO ENGAGE IN A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.# THERE HAS, IS A RIGHT TO HEARING BEFORE THE# SEIZINGING AND DESTRUCTION OF HOUSE LESS PROPERTY.# WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PRECEDENT# HAWAII SUPREME COURT IS ALSO ENFORCED.# >> WANT TO DOVETAIL ON THAT.

SO STORED PROPERTY ORDINANCE,## WE GIVE 24-HOUR NOTICE.

WE POST FORMS AND RULES ONLINE,## ENFORCEMENT RULES ONLINE TO PRIOR TO ENFORCEMENT# PHYSICALLY TAG PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE REMOVED.# WE STORE PROPERTIES FOR AT LEAST 45 DAYS.

BEFORE DISPOSAL.# TO GIVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE# RESIDENTS TO CLAIM THEIR PROPERTY.# IF THEY LIKE.

WHILE UNDER THE ORDINANCE## CHARGE, THERE IS NO STORAGE FEE.

WAIVE RESIDENTS, FEES BASICALLY.# AND I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON,# WE'VE HAD THIS ORDINANCE FOR YEARS.# AND WE ARE ACTUALLY, COUNTY, OF HONOLULU, IS# ACTUALLY OTHER COUNTIES FROM OTHER STATES ARE## ACTUALLY DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, OUR SPO.

>> THANK SAM.# PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FEEL SAFE IN# THEIR HOUSE AND IN THEIR COMMUNITY.# SO IMPORTANT.

WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT RIGHT.# EXACTLY WHAT SAM WAS SAYING.

I AGREE WITH HER.# SALMAH WAS SAYING.

HOMELESS SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS TOO.# MANY HOMELESS HAVE MENTAL# ADDICTION OR OTHER TRAUMA.# WE NEED TO BE AKAMAI HOW WE ADDRESS# HOMELESS AND DON'T JUST HAVE ENFORCEMENT.# I AGREE WITH SALMAH.

SAND AND CITY MAYOR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH CORE## MEDICAL RESPITE THROUGH DR.#MISCOVICH AND HONU.

INSTEAD OF HAVING ME MIGHT BE SHOUTING,## MAYBE MANIC STATE, SAM WILL SEND MAYBE THE# DOCTOR OR IRELAND THROUGH CORE TO GET INSTEAD## GETTING ARRESTED NEED MEDICAL HELP.

CITY BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.# >>Lauren: JENNIFER YOU STUDY PEOPLE.

HOPING YOU COULD TOUCH ON A LITTLE## BIT WHAT SALMAH WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT IS THAT DO TO INDIVIDUAL WHO HOUSELESS,## WHEN THEY ARE CITED OR THEY GET THEIR# BELONGINGS TAKEN AWAY AND HAVE TO MOVE?# YOU CAN TALK HUMAN LEVEL.

>> YEAH.# >> I MEAN, HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT# WAS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE.# PEOPLE HAVE DESCRIBED EXPERIENCE OF# GOSH, ONE PLAINTIFF HAD COUNTED OVER## 150 CITATIONS FOR STORED PROPERTY ORDINANCES,# AGAIN, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE AT THE SAME TIME.# PERSON LITERALLY HAD NOTHING# ELSE DO WITH HIS PROPERTY.# SO PEOPLE DESCRIBE IT AS FELT# LIKE I WAS BEING STABBED.# FELT LIKE I WAS BEING TREATED LESS THAN HUMAN.

THEME IN A STUDY WE COMPLETED.# WHILE AGO IN 2015.

WE HEARD A LOT OF KIND OF## THOSE THEMES OF FEELING DEHUMANIZED.

FEELING OVERWHELMED WITH WORRY.# AND ANXIETY.

WHEN PEOPLE HAD TO## GO TO WORK OR HAD TO GO TAKE CARE OF THINGS.

BEING IS WORRIED WHAT DO I DO WITH MY THINGS?# AM I BEING TO LOSE EVERYTHING?

AM I GOING TO HAVE TO USE## WHAT LITTLE SAVINGS I HAVE TO START AGAIN.

THAT CAN BE, THAT WORRY CAN BE VERY OVERWHELMING.# >> JUST A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT.

SHANNON HAWAII KAI IS ASKING,## WHAT PERCENTAGE HOMELESS PEOPLE FOLLOW INSTRUCTS# AND TAKE STEP DOES WHAT IT TAKES TO IMPROVE THEIR## LIVES AND FIND SHELTER, PERMANENT SHELTER?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER.# >> GOOD QUESTION.

I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW.# I DON'T NOT ANSWER TO THAT.

>> I THINK METHOD OF HOUSING## FIRST RATHER THAN HANDCUFFS OR CARE FIRST,# JAIL LAST, YOU THINK THESE MECHANISMS WOULD SO## HAPPY THAT TO HEAR JOHN AND SAM REALLY BEING# PARTNERS IN THIS FIGHT FOR GREATER HOUSING.# BECAUSE HOUSING HAS TO COME FIRST.

FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.# WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLAN FOR THE# AMOUNT OF BEDS THAT WE CAN SAFELY## PROVIDE OVER 3 YEAR PERIOD, POTENTIALLY 2,000# BEDS, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED OF THAT.# THE REASON WHY BEING WE SPEND $250 A DAY# JAILING ONE PERSON IN THE STATE OF HAWAII.# IMAGINE IF THOSE RESOURCES WERE DIVERTED# ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT MANY OF THOSE## FOLKS ARE ONLY SITTING IN JAIL BECAUSE# THEY CAN'T AFFORD MAYBE $500, $200 BAIL.# IF THEY INSTEAD WERE GIVEN HOUSING AND WERE# NOT STIGMATIZED OR DEHUMANIZED OR BEING SEEN## AS CRIMINALS FOR POVERTY.

CRIMINALIZATION OF POVERTY.# SO MUCH POLITICAL WILL TO FUND NEW JAIL.

FUND PRISONS.# HOW ABOUT WE PARTNER TOGETHER NEXT LEGISLATIVE# SEASON AND CREATE NEW LEGISLATION TO GAIN THE## POLITICAL WILL TO ESTABLISH MORE FUNDING TO# DIVERT FUNDING FROM OUR JAILS AND INTO HOUSING.# HOUSING FIRST.

>> LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO MEET## WITH CIVIL PROSECUTOR ALM STATE PUBLIC DEFENDER# AT MY OFFICE WORKING ON DIVERSIONRY PROGRAM.# INSTEAD SENDING PERSON TO JAIL.

HAVE HOUSING FOR THAT PERSON RIGHT## NEXT TO, LAWYER'S BUILDING BY THE WAY.

HAVE A MEETING PROBABLY NEXT WEEK.# I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE AT THAT# MEETING AND HELP US WITH OUR DIVERSIONRY## PROGRAM INSTEAD GOING TO JAIL.

HAVE PLACE TO STAY OUTSIDE OF JAIL.# >> GREAT.

THANK YOU.# >>Lauren: WHY DOING THESE INSIGHTS# WHERE WE PRESENT AN HO..

SO IMPORTANT TO CONNECT COMMUNITY LEADERS# ON THE TOPIC SALMAH TALKING ABOUT WHAT## IS NEXT, BONNIE ASKING, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP# FROM KAUHALE AFTER FEW MONTH, WHERE DO THEY GO?# SIMILAR TOPIC.

VERONICA, WHAT HOUSING CAN HOMELESS## AFFORD AFTER READY TO MOVE OUT OF KAUHALE?

>> KAUHALE, GOING TO STAY THERE.# SOME KAUHALE SAM MENTIONED, JUST# FOR THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS.# TRIAGE UNTIL THEY GO IT# PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSE.# OTHER KAUHALE FOREVER.

BE THERE FOREVER.# GET MEDICAID, SSI, SNAP, FOOD STAMPS.

TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY QUALIFY.# >>Jennifer: ASSISTANCE.

HOMELESS PEOPLE 250, 300 PER MONTH AFTER## SIX MONTH PEOPLE IF THEY CAN AFFORD THAT.

IF NOT, WORK OR HELP OUT WITH SECURITY.# EVERYONE WILL BE A PART OF SOMETHING SPECIAL.

>> THAT'S THE KAUHALE MODEL,## THEY CAN STAY THERE AS LONG AS THEY WANT.

>>Lauren: COUPLE MINUTES LEFT, TONY FROM## WAIANAE ASKING, IF WE CAN SPEND A COUPLE MINUTES# ACKNOWLEDGING PASSING OF AUNTY TWINKLE AND WHAT## SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.# >> I THINK WE EVERYONE HERE FEELS THAT.

SO RECENT.# I DON'T REALLY HAVE WORDS TO SAY EXCEPT# FOR THINK WE EVERYBODY HERE, EVERYONE## HEARD OF HER, TOUCHED BY HER IN SOME WAY.

CAN SAY THAT SHE IS A MODEL FOR ALL OF US.# ALL OF US FOR LIVING SELFLESSLY.

ALOHA WAS NOT A CLICHE FOR AUNTY TWINKLE.# HER ABILITY TO GIVE AND CONNECT AND BELIEVE# IN PEOPLE AND CONNECT WITH THEM AND HELP THEM## WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE HAD GIVEN UP ON THEN.

MAYBE GIVEN UP THEMSELVES, SO THINK IT'S## A LOSS THAT STILL VERY RAW AND YEAH, MAHALO# TO THAT PERSON FOR OPENING SPACE TO REALLY## ACKNOWLEDGE HER AND REALLY MOURN HER.

CELEBRATE HER AND I'M SURE OTHERS.# >> AUNTY TWINKLE.

SHE LED THE FIGHT FOR HER OHANA REALLY.# THAT WAS HER OHANA.

HOMELESS ON THE WEST SIDE.# ALONG WITH AUNTY BLANCHE ON WINDWARD SIDE.

KIND OF SET THE MODEL OF## HOW HOMELESS CAN THRIVE IN AHUPUAA.

IN THE HALE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING ON## THE MAUKA SIDE.

OF WAIANAE.# AND SHE'LL BE REMEMBERED FOR A LONG TIME.

>> I WAS JUST WITH HER LAST WEEK.# BEFORE SHE PASSED AWAY.

LOOKED FINE.# BUT SHE INSTILLED CHARACTER AND DIGNITY# IN THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SHE HELPED.# JUST IMAGINE ONE PERSON MATRIARCH HELPING# 200 FORMALLY HOUSELESS NOW HAVE HOMES.# SO IF WE CAN HAVE EXAMPLE OF THAT, IN TIMES THREE,# THAT COULD BE 600 PEOPLE THAT CAN NOW HAVE HOMES.# THAT IS VISION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

HER VISION AS WELL AS AUNTY BLANCHE'S## VISION AND PASTOR KIM'S VISION.

TOP THREE PEOPLE HELPED OUR## HOMELESS COMMUNITIES IN OUR STATE.

>>Lauren: STAYING ON YOUR JOHN,## STARTED WITH TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS, SEEING# THAT UNFORTUNATE UPWARD TREND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.# WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT WITH EVERYBODY AND WHERE# THINGS ARE AT, DO YOU FEEL HOPEFUL THAT THE STATE## CAN GET A GRIP AND HELP HOMELESS COMMUNITY?

>> YES AND FACT THAT SALMAH DR.#JENNIFER,## SAM AND I ARE ALL HERE.

FEEL VERY POSITIVE.# LET'S BE REALISTIC.

NO SECRET SAUCE SOLVING HOMELESS.# ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED.

GREAT OPPORTUNITY.# WE NEED ALL SECTORSES OF GOVERNMENT FAITH-BASED# ORGANIZES COMMUNITIES NONPROFITS, BUSINESSES,## CHURCHES, UNIVERSITIES, DONORS, COLLECTIVELY# HARNESS ALL OF OUR ENERGIES TOGETHER FOR WATERSHED## MOMENT TO ADDRESS HOMELESS IN THE STATE OF HAWAII.

I BELIEVE WE CAN DO IT.# AND WE WILL BE THE FIRST STATE# IN THE NATION TO DO THAT.# NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN ONE MONTH OR SIX MONTHS.

TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS.# BUT I THINK PEOPLE WE HAVE HERE, AND# PEOPLE IN OUR STATE, WE CAN DO THIS.# >>Lauren: WHAT ABOUT YOU?

COUNTY LEVEL HOW ARE YOU FEEL## BEING TRYING TO GET THIS PROBLEM.

>> SAME AS WHAT JOHN MENTIONED.# THIS IS COMMUNITY EFFORT.

NOBODY IS EXCLUDED FROM NOT TRYING TO HELP.# AND I THINK IT DOES START AT THE TOP.# AND ACTUALLY, THE GRASSROOTS PEOPLE## ALSO HELP AND I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZES THE# FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT A LOT## OF PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT IT.

MAYBE THEY'RE HELPING.# BUT THEY DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THEY'RE# NOT TAKING RESOURCES FROM THE STATE OR THE CITY.# BUT THEY'RE DOING IT JUST# BECAUSE THE LOVE FOR PEOPLE.# THEY BELIEVE IN PEOPLE AND# THEY CAN TRANSFORM THEM.# HAVING THAT AS WELL AS COMMUNITY LIKE# HAWAII, HAWAII IS ALL ABOUT OHANA.# AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IS WHY# HAWAII HAS BETTER SHOT OF SOLVING HOMELESS.# THAN MAYBE OTHER STATES MIGHT WANT TO SAY# THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.# OBVIOUSLY UNFORTUNATE RAN OUT OF TIME.

TOPIC WE COULD PROBABLY SIT HERE## AND TALK ABOUT FOR HOURS.

AND HARD ONE TO ADDRESS ESPECIALLY## AS WE ALL KNOW, COST OF LIVING HERE IN HAWAII.

THANK YOU FORK HERE AND OPEN YOU HAVE DISCUSSION.# MEETINGS TAKING PLACE AND I THINK THERE IS# ANOTHER CONNECTION BEING MADE HERE ACROSS## THE TABLE THIS WAY.

AS WELL.# THANK YOU AS WELL TO VIEWERS.

FOR TUNING IN.# >> WANT TO THANK OUR GUESTS IN STUDIO.

JOHN MIZUNO, THE DIRECTOR OF# THE STATEWIDE OFFICE OF HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING# SOLUTIONS; SALMAH RIZVI, THE EXECUTIVE# DIRECTOR OF THE ACLU OF HAWAII;# SAM MOKU, THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU'S HOMELESSNESS# COORDINATOR; AND JENNIFER DARRAH, ASSOCIATE# PROFESSOR FROM UH MANOA.

NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS WE TURN# OUR FOCUS BACK ON THE ELECTION WITH A PREVIEW OF THE UPCOMING# GENERAL ELECTION HAPPENING THIS NOVEMBER.# PLEASE JOIN US THEN.

I’M LAUREN DAY FOR INSIGHTS ON# PBS HAWAI#I.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.# ## ##