- [Male Narrator] Coming up on Legacy List with Matt Paxton.

Matt is in the Steel City to help a recently married couple downsize two households into a single home.

- [Jaime] Look at this.

- [Mike] Oh.

- [Male Narrator] They'll find plenty of family heirlooms and collectibles.

And even uncover a few items the homeowners haven't seen in years.

- [Linda] Ah.

- [Matt] What is this?

It's like the original tool.

(Avi laughing) I'm Matt Paxton.

Let's do it, man.

My team of specialists, Jaime, Mike and Avi help me help people downsize their homes in settle estates.

As the largest population of baby boomers in American history transition towards retirement, they and their families face the overwhelming task of emptying their homes to move.

We help them sift through a lifetime of possessions.

- [Avi] Bingo.

- [Matt] Heirlooms and collectibles.

We have literally found a piece of history.

To help them find the missing family treasures that mean the most to them.

- Oh my goodness.

- [Matt] Jackie Robinson.

And along the way, they'll discover that the most important museum in the world may be in their family's basement.

- Oh - Oh - I've never seen that.

That is cool looking.

- [Matt] From attics to cellars, closets to cupboards, we uncover the memories they want to preserve.

This is living history, this is what we're here to find.

- [All] Let's go.

- [Matt] And discover the compelling, personal and often historical stories spanning generations that are their family's legacy.

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(soft guitar music) (upbeat guitar music) - Today, I'm in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to meet Linda and Terry.

They're a really cool couple that just got married and moved into a 5,500 square foot home.

The problem is they're both avid collectors and when they combined their two homes, a couple items got misplaced and they need our help tracking them down.

- [Linda] Hi - Linda, how are you?

- [Linda] Good to see you.

- Good to see you.

Terry, good to meet you.

- Welcome, welcome.

- Thank you, man.

This home is incredible.

- [Linda And Terry] Thank you.

- [Matt] It's gorgeous.

- We really like to incorporate everything.

So it's something interesting to look at everywhere you go.

- I can see.

I'm drawn to five different places right now.

How long have y'all lived here?

- We've lived here almost two years now.

- Okay, so y'all got married.

- Yes.

- Moved here.

- Consolidated our houses.

And that's been the challenge.

We love to share what we have done so that other people can also enjoy the stories behind it.

- Okay.

I dig it.

So, big house, big families, lots of stories.

We just need to kind of reel it all in.

- Thank you.

- Yup All right, I want to see more of the house.

- Let's go to the living room.

- Okay, I'll follow you guys.

Linda and Terry are two very busy professionals.

They just got married, they moved into this massive house.

They've combined all their stuff and they just haven't had the time to go through it and get organized.

Wow, these windows, man, this is incredible.

I'm guessing this is the room that made you buy the house.

- [Linda] It is.

- I mean, I'm thinking fall when the leaves are changing.

- It's glorious.

It's like living in a snow globe.

- When I heard I was coming to Pittsburgh, this is not what I envisioned.

- A lot of people don't realize how beautiful Pittsburgh is.

It's got so much green space because we have so many hills, so many valleys.

So they've got areas like this all around the city.

- [Matt] It's just gorgeous.

How big is this house?

- [Linda] 5,000 plus square feet.

- Okay, so it's a huge house.

- [Linda] Yeah, it is.

- All right.

- We very purposefully up-sized because we wanted to be surrounded by the things that we love.

That's important to us.

- [Matt] You guys are newlyweds, I love it.

So full of hope and joy.

(Terry and Linda laughing) I love it.

5,000 square feet seems like a lot of space to fill.

But man, they filled it pretty quickly.

Yeah, this is super cool.

I love it.

- [Linda] This is the thing that we wanted to show you.

- [Matt] Wow, this is a photo room.

- This is our photo archives.

I have a montage of my father's art director scenes and shootings that he did.

He was a mad man back in the 60s and the 70s and working from some of the premier ad agencies in Manhattan.

- [Matt] That's super cool.

- [Linda] So.

- [Matt] So is this a workshop for you or just storage?

- No, this is all.

- It's on display.

- Where we created a lot of the displays you see throughout the house.

This was put together from my mom's 80th birthday.

And then I did that.

- [Matt] This is all your mom?

- This side, right here is all my mom.

We have Terry's family and just it represents everything that our two families are.

I estimate we have a couple thousand photographs in here.

- [Matt] Easily.

- [Linda] Gotta continue to incorporate these into the house somehow.

- Mathematically, this is a big challenge.

- It is.

(Terry laughing) - You know, you can't preserve every picture.

I see a lot of cool stuff here, but I still don't see the volume, the clutter.

- Well, we'll show you that now.

Let's go down and we'll show you where it's all that.

- [Matt] All right.

(plucky music) - [Linda] This is the workshop.

- [Matt] All right, look at this.

Wow.

This is a collection.

- Well, I've been collecting tools since grade school.

- [Matt] Okay, so this is both collection and working shop.

- [Terry] Everything here works.

- Life-wise you guys are good.

A lot of people call me, they're stuck, they don't know what to do.

I think you just need help finding a few things and then hints or suggestions on how to showcase it more.

- Definitely.

You know we have a lot more things that we would like your assistance with because we have our attic full of stuff, as well.

- So this is the basement slash workshop.

There's a whole 'nother attic full of stuff.

- Uh huh.

- Okay, all right.

We've got thunder right now so I'm gonna pass on the attic.

(Linda and Terry laughing) We will check that out later.

Let's go sit down and we'll go through the legacy list and then the team and I can I guess just get started.

- That'd be great.

(uplifting music) - This job's a little different because they're young.

This is their home, they're gonna be here for a long time and they've got a lot of space.

They just need help showing it more and sharing it.

All right, so I feel like my marching orders were pretty clear.

We're gonna clean out a couple rooms.

But mainly we're here to find these legacy list items.

And you guys have a lot of good stories so as we go through this, don't be afraid to tell me the story.

- We have a few things.

- Okay - The first is actually Terry's area.

- Something that is very historic for my family.

Back in the 1890s, you had to buy a pew pass for your seat at church.

- Yes, oh yes.

- And being an Irish family, my family went to St. Patrick's in The Strip District which is a very historic church.

There's a great connection there that I'd love to have my hands on again for the family and to be able to display it around the house.

- Okay, pew pass I have never actually seen one in person.

Seen them in a book, but I've never seen it.

All right, what's next?

- Well, some of the things that I'm looking for is my dad was an advertising man and, you know, have very fond memories of going with him to Madison Avenue to his office.

And what I'm particularly looking for is a lot of his proofs and all the various work that he did.

- So the first house I ever cleaned was my dad's house after he died.

- [Terry And Linda] Ooh.

He was an ad man.

And I still, I moved this summer and I had a box of all of his old drawings and sketches that eventually became posters and ads, but it was the work, It was the journey of getting there.

So I know exactly what you're looking for.

- As you can sorta kinda guess, I'm a tool person.

- Yes.

- Through every person I've worked with I've learned something from.

When I use that little chisel, I'm time traveling back to when I learned how to use it with someone that taught me how to do it.

- Yeah.

- I never met my father.

So all the different men I've worked with over time and women that I've learned things from, in a way, every single one of those people became family.

There's a really old, old pipe wrench.

- Okay.

- There was an old plumber I worked with named Dan.

He thought that the wrench that he was using was from around the 1860s.

- Okay.

- It's here somewhere.

Dan taught me a lot of the things that modern plumbers don't know.

And he was just a really cool, old dude, you know.

- Sometimes there's just wisdom in gray hair.

It is what it is.

- Yeah.

Exactly.

- Yeah.

Okay, so you think that's somewhere in the house.

- I know that my hands were on it and I put it in a box.

With my other collection, steel is a theme, steel tools.

- We are in Pittsburgh.

- Yes.

When I look at like my knife collection, I'm looking at how hard it was to make them.

How many times that steel had to be hammered and folded and shaped and heated.

The determination that it took to create the final form.

- And then we have this one knife that we're both really curious about.

- It's a folding knife.

It looks like that it was made out of an old saw blade.

And then it's in a wooden handle.

But the form of it is much like a French knife.

If you were in an area that was occupied and you had very limited access to material and tools, this is the kind of knife that I'd make.

- So really it's not the knife we need to worry about finding, it's the story behind it.

- Yeah.

- This is a good one for us.

I've got a really good buddy, Jesse.

He's an old neighbor of mine.

He is a lot like you, we know it's a knife.

Let's go a lot deeper.

- Oh yes.

- And let's find out more.

Okay, I dig that, I dig it a lot.

- One of the other items I would like to locate, my dad had a train set.

One of the model train sets that he would set up under the live Christmas tree.

I'm pretty sure we have the train set and that was one of the things that when they were downsizing, they would have given to me.

One with the little smoke pellets and the whistle and you could make it go faster.

- You were painting the picture and I could see it right here, man.

Christmas tree and let's put that train right around it.

I love it.

There's your dad's train set.

All right, what else do we have?

- We have a big old steamer trunk that is in, looks like on the outside, is in fantastic condition, but I've never been able to open it.

- No key.

- No key.

- Okay.

- We haven't been able to get it open.

- Okay, I can help with that.

- Excellent.

- Actually I have no problem opening that lock.

It's always interesting to see what's in an old trunk.

- I have some pictures of my mom just, you know, dressed to the nines, you know, in her finery.

They had these compacts, purses.

They were little rectangular purses that hold a lipstick, sometimes cigarettes, powder, a mirror and they were on little chain and sometimes they would have like mother of pearl.

I would really like to have those.

And I went the other day to look for it and I realized it's not there.

- Man, these are all cool.

The interesting thing about their legacy list is, it's all about their past.

And so I'm anxious to see what they have collectively that will create their legacy.

Not just the stuff from their past.

You guys are a fascinating couple, amazing house and I'm just excited to get my team, get them together and we'll get started.

And we'll see what we can find.

- Thanks.

- Cool - Really appreciate it.

- Yeah (energetic music) - [Mike] Hey Matt.

- What's up, guys?

- [Avi] Hey Matt.

- What's going on?

- Welcome to Pittsburgh.

- It's beautiful.

- [Matt] It's absolutely gorgeous.

- The house is this beautiful masterpiece right there in the middle of the woods and that was what they got to call home.

- I mean, this is not how I pictured the Steel City.

- No, it is a lot bigger than it looks.

The house is 5,500 square feet.

(all exclaiming) Yeah, it's a big house.

I've not finished going through it all.

It's a cool, kind of a different downsizing.

Most of our clients, they're older, they're getting rid of everything 'cause they're getting ready to move somewhere else.

This couple got married and they just bought his house together and they're filling it.

The legacy list is long.

- Okay.

- Well what do you got?

- First one is I got a old pew pass.

- What's pew pass?

- Catholic church, when they first started having pews.

I don't know if you know about this or not, and you had to actually pay to sit at church.

And I've never seen one of these.

Linda's family is really interesting.

They were immigrants from Italy.

Her parents were first generation here.

And then he ended up working on Madison Avenue in the advertising world.

- [Mike And Avi] Wow.

- [Jaime] Oh no.

- And so somewhere in the house we're gonna find a box of like all of his work.

- [Jaime] Oh, that's cool.

- Uh - Terry's got an old military knife he thinks, or if it's just a regular old knife.

So good news, we have the knife.

- Cool.

- But we need to find more out about it.

We've gotta find that, we've gotta find an old train set.

150-year-old wrench, like plumbing wrench.

- It's okay.

- Big piece of steel is gonna be a common theme this week.

- Shocker.

- Yeah, I know.

The one I'm really excited about, we have a steamer trunk.

- Ooh - And I can't open it.

(Avi laughing) - Oh.

- So I, being the expert lock picker that I am, I'm going to open it.

The last item on the legacy list is some really cool old compact purses that were Linda's moms.

- Okay.

- And she just likes them 'cause they were just fancy.

And she remembers her mom being super fancy.

- That's something that we don't use these days, so, that'll be fun to find those.

- It's tiny, - Yeah, tiny.

- You couldn't get a cell phone in there day.

- They didn't have cell phones back then.

- Well, if they did it, they wouldn't be able to get cell phones in them.

- [Mike] And they're not moving.

We're helping them sort of curate things.

- We're really not taking a whole lot of volume out of here.

They've got a ton of space.

- All right, so where are we starting?

- We're gonna clean up a little bit in the attic, we're gonna clean up a little bit down in the workshop in the basement as well.

- Is either one of them air conditioned?

- I'm not gonna tell you all the secrets part of this.

- I'm just worried about the ceiling.

- Okay, so you're picking the basement or the attic?

- Whichever one has the highest ceiling.

- I'll go with Avi wherever he goes.

- Okay, cool, so Avi, you and I are going to the basement.

(all laughing) And you guys are going to the attic, okay?

- I like that.

- It's hot up there.

Good luck, guys.

Drink some water.

- You got any popsicles?

- On three, let's do it, one.

No.

- [Avi] Come on.

- [Matt] Come on we gotta go.

We got work to do.

- [Avi] Put Them in.

- [Matt] All right, cool.

- [Jaime] Got it.

- Good luck, let's do it.

(upbeat music) - I mean, Matt always takes the easy way out, always.

Once I stepped through the front door, everywhere you looked there were stairs or some little secret corner.

It seemed like it could be easy to get lost in the house.

Here we go, - [Mike] Here we go.

- You ready?

- [Mike] As ready as I'm gonna to be.

- [Jaime] Oh, you know, it's not that bad.

- [Mike] It's not huge, we can stand up, I'm digging it.

- [Jaime] It's not super hot yet.

- Well, let's not, let's not jinx that.

You know, I'll tell you what, Matt and Avi can have the basement any day if this is the kind of attic we're in.

- [Matt] Look at this.

- [Avi] Look.

- [Matt] Good God, look at this, man.

- [Avi] I wish you could see how I was surprised, but I mean - [Matt] I know.

- Even the tables are old salvaged school science tables.

Look, this is the old Bunsen burner.

- Look at that - It's so cool.

Remember one of the items on the legacy list is that big wrench.

I can't imagine it wouldn't be here.

- [Avi] I'll probably would know it when I find it.

This is like the Noah's Ark of tools, two of everything.

(jovial music) (metals clanking) (box thudding) - What is that?

- I mean just What is this?

(Avi laughing) Like a, what is that, a femur?

- Terminator's femur, maybe.

- Look at this.

(Avi laughing) What is that?

- This thing is, (metal hitting palm) - It's steel, isn't it?

- It's solid, man.

It's not heavy like steel.

You know, it's like, it's gotta be covered.

(metal clanking) - [Matt] It's not magnetic.

- That is not steel.

So it's gotta be aluminum, right?

- [Avi] Aluminum, yeah.

That's why it's so light.

- Look at that.

It's like the original tool.

(metal clanking) (Avi laughing) (perky music) - Here's a pretty cool award for Linda.

The Chairman's Award.

- Oh, interesting.

- Not a legacy list item.

- [Jaime] No.

- [Mike] There's some nice silk pouches.

- [Jaime] Yeah, those are pretty.

- [Mike] Yeah.

Oh, Jaime.

- What?

- I think I've got something.

- Oh, it's one of the compact purses.

- And here's another one.

Here, why don't you check out that one?

- Look at these.

This is beautiful.

When we found Linda's mom's purses, I was really surprised at how tiny and compact they were.

But they were beautiful.

They had mother of pearl details in them and it really told me a lot about who Linda's mom was.

Her dad worked in advertising on Madison Avenue and her mom was a glamorous mother of three.

This is how Linda remembers her parents.

They were the 'it' couple of the time.

And most important thing about these is that they belonged to her mom.

It's a tie that she has to her mom and that's really where the value comes in in finding things like this.

- [Mike] That's the way I love to start the day.

(Jaime giggling) (upbeat music) - [Matt] Some of these have price tags on them.

- Hm, think he's buying them like antique?

- Yeah, they go antiquing and they buy 'em.

Yeah.

This is another project.

The good news is Terry has a massive workshop with tons of space.

The problem is he has six tools for every job.

He's actually got tools to fix broken tools.

(containers thudding) - [Avi] What's this?

Is plumbing supplies.

(metals clanking) - [Matt] What is this for?

The reamer.

- It's a reamer.

- A long grip reamer.

I don't know what it's for.

- Yeah - [Matt] Oh, this seems heavy to be a.

- [Avi] This.

- [Matt] What's that?

- [Avi] I'm not sure.

I mean it's got some age to it for sure.

- Let me see it.

Is that a 1860 wrench with duct tape on it?

It's an old wrench.

It's heavy.

It's clearly been used.

Well, I mean, it's a monkey wrench, that's what he said it was.

I think this is it.

Said it was 18 - 60.

- 60, I mean, is this feels like it's that?

Feel it.

- This tool is still usable 160 years later - Well he'll take it even further.

I mean, he'll go through like, hey man, this was probably made here in Pittsburgh.

It's forged here in Pittsburgh by my, you know, ancestors.

Like he takes pride in that stuff, man.

- As he should.

(bluegrass music) - [Male Narrator] They call Pittsburgh the Steel City, and for good reason.

From the late 19th to the early 20th century, Pittsburgh is one of the biggest producers of steel in the world.

Surrounded by coal fields and strategically situated where three rivers meet, Pittsburgh is the ideal location for an industrial powerhouse.

Pittsburgh produces steel for bridges, trains, and skyscrapers.

It's hard to imagine a modern city without steel.

But steel is nothing new.

Early steel-making dates back to ancient China and India.

In Damascus, smiths forged steel swords that can supposedly slice a feather in midair.

There was a breakthrough in the mid 19th century when British engineer, Henry Bessemer, invents a cheap way to mass produce steel.

One man adopts the Bessemer process in America and turns quite a profit.

His name, Andrew Carnegie.

And steel makes him the richest man in the world.

Carnegie builds a vertically-integrated steel company, managing every stage of production and distribution.

He becomes a titan of industry and his name still appears on many Pittsburgh institutions.

He's also known as a robber baron for fighting his employee's efforts to unionize.

In 1892, Carnegie Steel hires Pinkerton detectives to crush a strike in Homestead, Pennsylvania.

But steel workers persevere.

Thanks to decades of organizing, steel unions eventually win decent wages and healthcare.

(air swooshing) By the 1970s, de-industrialization hits Pittsburgh hard and steel mills shutter.

Pittsburgh forges a new beginning.

As industrial employment declines, the healthcare and technology sectors grow.

And one thing is for certain, the people of Pittsburgh, like the steel they made are still as tough as it gets.

(fire sparking) (music fading) (gentle upbeat music) - I think this is it.

He was telling me it was two different tools and so I was looking down here to see where the other one was.

But you got a basic monkey wrench here.

- Okay.

- All right.

And then if you flip it over, you've got the pipe wrench here.

So it's gonna connect up top and then it's got the grabber there.

I think it's one of those like holy grail things that you gotta pick the one that looks the least impressive.

(Avi laughing) And I think that's that.

- [Avi] It's the treasure, right?

- I think so, for real.

- [Avi] When you can make those kinds of connections to your family and your heritage, man, it's pretty significant.

(plucky music) - I also noticed like the zombie sign right by her head.

(Jaime giggling) - Yeah.

But hey, we're in the shelter.

- That's right.

- Matt and Avi?

- Not.

- You're on your own.

- So this is labeled sort.

Two exclamation points that seems important.

This is like, oh yeah, we'll sort this later.

And we'll put it in the attic until we're ready to do that.

And then what do you do?

You forget about it.

- [Mike] Yeah, I've got better things to do.

- [Jaime] Yeah.

- But you know what?

That's job security for us, Jamie.

- [Jaime] That's right.

- [Mike] Okay, I don't see anything in here.

I got some cufflinks.

- Oh.

- [Mike] And some coins.

- [Jaime] Those are cool.

- [Mike] They're pretty, this one might be silver.

(metals clanking) - You know how you tell?

You look at the edge and if it's not tarnished, it probably is silver.

(gentle music) (cartons ruffling) - Got some old pillows.

- [Jaime] This is heavy.

- [Mike] Ooh, this might be a wedding dress.

- [Jaime] Look at this.

Now, does it have a lock?

- [Mike] Yeah.

- I think I can't see.

Thank you.

- Teamwork.

- What do we have here?

Look at this, this is definitely her dad's stuff, it has to be.

Look at that.

- [Mike] Wow.

- So I bet these are some of his proofs.

These are great.

- [Mike] Yeah, so much detail and, - [Jaime] This is awesome to have this much stuff that your dad did.

- These things deserve to be on a wall or somewhere else that people can see them, instead of just basically lost in the attic.

Being a good artist is only part of the equation.

You have to be a good artist who can tell a story in a single image and produce it under a deadline.

Oh, advertising is cutthroat, for sure.

- And especially back in the day.

(nostalgic music) - [Male narrator] A catchy slogan, a musical jingle.

A memorable visual that sticks to your mind like glue.

It's called advertising and it's been around for thousands of years.

The walls of ancient Pompeii are painted with ads for political campaigns and gladiator contests.

A copper plate dating back to China's Tang dynasty advertises Jinan Liu's fine needle shop.

During the Middle Ages, town criers not only deliver news, but do commercials for local merchants.

(air swooshing) America's first advertising agency opens its doors in Philadelphia in the mid-19th century.

Soon, thousands of companies are paying to promote their products.

Who were some of the first to take advantage of advertising?

How about Kellogg, Procter and Gamble and the small beverage producer that makes a funny-tasting drink?

Its name, Coca-Cola.

(air swooshing) Ever wonder how soap operas got their name?

It's because Procter and Gamble wanted to sell more soap.

They sponsor radio dramas that appeal to women and advertise their products.

The world's first television commercial airs on July 1st, 1941 during a game between the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Philadelphia Phillies.

The ad is for a Bulova Watches, a company that's still ticking today.

It's just the start of a tidal wave of commercials that become as much a part of watching TV as the shows themselves.

From baby food and blemish creams to minivans and frozen pizza, consumers are bombarded with commercials.

It's been estimated that the average American watches almost 200 hours of commercials every year.

How do you avoid them?

That's simple.

(television switching off) Read a book.

(gentle music) - So I'm gonna let Avi finish up in the workshop.

And now I get to go show off my very impressive lock-picking skills.

- So I was under the impression that a lot of these trunks, that the lock was almost a formality, that it really didn't serve a purpose.

- Yeah, and that's true in most, but this is a legit lock.

I don't even know if I can get into this thing.

- As you know, here's a pretty serious tool collection downstairs.

- And that's exactly what I was thinking.

Let's do a little crowbar, I wanna get it right up under here.

- Okay, I'll be right back.

- [Matt] Okay.

- We were really hoping that there'd be something magical in it or something, you know, like maybe a mini dragon or - That would be cool.

I can tell you usually when it takes this long, there's nothing in it.

(Linda laughing) - I've got a couple of options for you here.

I thought the chisel might be a good option and there's a super, super heavy duty putty knife there as well for you.

- Let's try that.

(hammer knocking) - It's about the size of a front door lock.

- Yeah, it's a deadbolt.

- [Terry] It's a deadbolt lock.

- [Linda] Oh man.

- All right, well, let's see what's in here, dude.

Didn't go so well.

I had to use a crowbar.

All right, are we ready for this bad boy?

- Yeah, yeah.

(suspenseful music) - What do we have?

- Ooh, - Nothing.

It was - Hangers.

- [Matt] Coat hangers - [Terry] That's what we heard moving.

- [Matt] Yeah, sometimes the question is more exciting than the answer.

- It still makes one hell of a coffee table.

I'll say that.

- Yeah.

(Linda laughing) This might be also might be a really cool corner piece with lighting and pictures in it.

You could put a lot of family pictures in here.

- If we put shelves in there?

- You could put shelves in there for more pictures.

- I like that.

- The trunk was not that exciting of a find, there's no gold or anything fancy in it.

But it is an awesome organizing tool.

It's gonna be a great place for them to display all their pictures, but then swap them out.

Actually like an exhibit at a museum.

Let's look at the opportunity now to display with it.

- Yeah.

The adventure continues, yes.

(bouncy music) - [Jaime] Have you looked at this box yet?

- [Mike] No.

- [Jaime] Okay.

(bouncy music continues) - Terry's stuff.

- [Mike] All right, what's old Terry got in here.

Oh oh, I think I know what this is.

I think we might have a medieval enthusiast.

Here's a tip to a spear or something of sort.

Throwing stars.

(Jaime giggling) Here catch.

- No.

- No.

And then this is a mix-match box.

- [Jaime] Yeah.

- [Mike] We're just finding all kinds of cool stuff.

- I opened a box with a book about railroads on top.

It could be tracks, right?

No fences.

- No that's fence.

- All the fences.

- This is the train.

- [Jaime] Oh, there you go.

- Take a peak.

(upbeat carols music) - [Jaime] Look at that.

(upbeat carols music) Did you have a train set?

- Yeah, it was pretty cool.

When I had the train set in my hands, it really made me think about my train set when I was growing up, I think it was six or seven years old when we got it for Christmas one year.

Train sets are fun.

They're not necessarily fun setting up, but they're fun to play with.

- Then you just like set them up and then you just watch it go around the track.

- Yeah.

- Okay.

- Switch the tracks and let it go different routes.

This train set was used every Christmas.

Linda's dad would set it up and the family would just gather around and really spend some quality time together.

They would actually make a little village around the Christmas tree with these houses.

- Oh.

- And the train.

- Oh I love that imagery.

- Yeah.

- That's sweet.

When we found the train set that Linda's dad used to set up, I could really feel the emotion.

And I knew that Linda was gonna be thrilled that we found it.

(perky music) - Avi, welcome to my office.

This is where the magic happens and it's also where I keep my collection.

- [Avi] That is a collection.

- [Terry] This is a part of it right here, so.

- There's plenty to look at.

I mean the one that catches my eye immediately is this one, just the handle on this.

- That's a knife that I made myself and it's a chunk of deer antler and it's made out of an old file.

So it's extremely hard carbon steel.

- This is a very practical, usable knife, you know, it really is.

- That's really what I had in mind.

Knives are another expression of a tool.

- Just like a lot of his tools, these knives were special to Terry.

It was about relationship.

It's about where they came from.

And knives were one time really the only tool.

You hunted, ate with it carved up the clothes.

And so there's so many uses.

Now I did hear that you had some Damascus knives.

- Yes.

- I would be honored to see your collection.

- Well, step over here.

- Damascus steel is legendary in history.

I mean, for thousands of years, Damascus was the best steel that you could find.

Of course Terry's gonna have it as part of his collection.

- This is a small version of a kukri.

And this is raindrop pattern Damascus where it looks like rain drops falling in a lake.

(Avi sighing) So in order to produce that, you have all the layers of steel that are hand hammered and welded together.

Then they're twisted and welded and twisted and welded.

That's 400 layers of steel in that knife.

That's on par with the peak of Samurai sword making.

These are the knives I know about.

I have a very personal connection to these knives.

But, I do have something that I need your help with.

- Yeah, absolutely.

- This one.

- Hm - I have some theories I would like to see what your expertise brings forth.

- Absolutely.

I really have a good feeling that this knife has a story.

I have an expert.

I would love to share this with him.

Now we see what we can find and hopefully it's something that makes you happy.

- Cool.

- Awesome.

Thanks so much, Terry.

This has been the highlight of my visit with you.

We got a lot more work to do.

- All right.

Thank you.

- Awesome.

(perky music) - The four of us had searched high and low for these pew passes and couldn't find them anywhere.

But I knew there was one more place to look.

(perky music) Oh, St. Patrick's church.

There's a bunch of them here from April 1st to July 1st, 1899.

(bluegrass music) These are it.

That's our last legacy list item.

After I found the pew passes in the spare bedroom, I got them to Matt because I knew he wanted to find out more about them.

(upbeat music) - I really wanted to learn more about Pittsburgh as a city.

And we've these pew passes we want to learn more about.

So we're gonna go to the Heinz History Center to see what we can learn.

This is amazing.

Anne it's good to meet you.

- Hey, welcome, welcome.

- Thank you.

This is Mike.

- Nice to meet you.

- Nice to meet you.

To the History Center.

- I am Anne Madarasz.

I'm the Director of the Curatorial Division, and the Chief Historian here at the Heinz History Center.

We're the oldest cultural organization in the city of Pittsburgh.

This building has been around since 1996, we open to the public.

- So we're in Pittsburgh, we're cleaning out a house.

We're learning quickly that everyone from Pittsburgh has a deep pride of this city.

- Definitely.

- And they wanna tell us about it.

- Yep, and that's one of the things that we wanna do too.

You think about the steel industry.

That was the core of who we were.

That's who we identified with.

We were the world's steel city.

Everybody in the world, you said Pittsburgh, they thought steel.

- I can't help But think, the jobs we have today compared to the work that these guys were doing, you know, generations ago, what was life like in the steel mills?

- Oh, it was brutal.

Six day work weeks.

You're talking 12 hours a day, 11, 12 cents an hour.

Danger, you know, they didn't have protective equipment like they do today.

No hardhats, no steel-toed boots.

Just the brutal physical demands of it.

- Seems like it's really distinct neighborhoods based on ethnicity.

How did that kind of form?

- Many of the people who come, they settle to be close to their jobs or if there's an existing church already.

So you get the Irish settling in these rings around the Irish churches and St. Patrick's is one, St. Paul's Cathedral is another.

And that's where they kind of stay because churches are the center of those ethnic cultures.

- Where did Irish kind of fit in the hierarchy of immigrant status?

- Well, they're English speakers.

So that gives them a leg up.

But when the Irish come the Catholics too, there's a huge anti-Catholic anti-Irish movement, especially in the 1850s, 1860s.

There's this huge backlash against the Irish.

So the "No Irish need apply."

Happened in Pittsburgh as much as anywhere else.

Now, as you get into the late 19th century, you see them taking jobs in city government.

The police force as it begins to professionalize, firemen.

Once you get that establishment, it gives them an avenue to rise into the middle-class.

- We got one specific question.

- Okay.

- We found this, this was one of the items on the family's legacy list.

I believe these are pew passes, it's what we've been told.

What do you know about these?

(gentle music) - St Patrick's church, pew cards.

It's a way for churches to raise money.

They rent you seats.

It looks like he was a pew 163.

I think he was kind of in the back, probably.

So that's why, if you go into say, old churches around America they can tell you, well, George Washington sat here or this person of note the community.

So the closer you are, the more expensive your box 'cause the better view you get, right?

You also get a backlash against them and you start to get churches that are called free and open associations where they don't charge people for the pews.

It's funny 'cause it's not in our memory, but it hangs on until the 1930s, 40s.

- Yeah.

I mean I grew up in the South and we just had little old ladies that would stare at you.

- That's right.

- Because that was their seat.

- Yeah, you didn't say anything, you up and move.

- Yes, ma'am you got up and move.

Is this the kind of thing that a family could try to donate?

- Yeah.

You know, there's a lot of value to researchers.

From something that looks so simple and you know, there's a lot of ways you can enter into the historical record.

- Yeah, you're right.

- Just with something like this.

- Well, this has been amazing.

thank you.

I mean, we've, I've learned a ton.

I still wanna walk around a little bit but it's kinda.

- Yeah, well we're so glad you came here.

- Yeah, this was awesome.

Thank you for your time and your, and your knowledge.

The family's gonna enjoy hearing some of the stories we heard.

- Well good, they get some great history there.

(perky music) - Look at that.

It's huge.

The Heinz History Center was really cool and even had exhibit on one of my favorite topics, condiments.

Pickles and ketchup, man.

(perky music) - [Male Narrator] Ketchup, mayo, mustard.

Whether shaken, squirted or slathered, condiments have graced the plates of eaters, fancy and fussy for thousands of years.

What was the first condiment?

Simple.

Everyday sea salt.

It was used to not only seasoned food, but help preserve it.

One food with a bit more spice?

Try garum.

A sauce made from fermented fish guts.

It's a favorite among ancient Romans.

For centuries, condiments are shaped by regional cultures.

Gochujang, a fermented pepper paste is essential to Korean cooking.

In north Africa, you add heat with harissa.

In India, taste buds prefer chutney.

(air swooshing) The first ketchup was born in China around 300 BC and was made from fermented fish, soy beans and meat scraps.

It wasn't until 1812 that scientist and horticulturalist James Mease adds tomatoes to the ketchup recipe.

But there's a problem.

Tomatoes spoil quickly.

Leave it to a scrappy Pennsylvanian named H J Heinz to crack the catch-up code.

He adds vinegar to the mix, pioneers sanitary mass production, and serves his ketchup in clear glass bottles.

It's a hit with taste buds around the globe.

(air swooshing) Today, ketchup is enjoyed on everything from hot dogs to tater tots.

People love it so much, it's found in 97% of American homes.

Ketchup is so popular, it really should be in a museum.

(upbeat music) - I really wanna find out more information about this night.

So I think now it's time to call Jesse at the Virginia War Memorial.

(phone ringing) - [Jesse] Hello this is Jesse.

- Hey Jesse, Avi Hopkins with Legacy List.

How're things going over there at the Virginia war Memorial?

- [Jesse] Guess they're doing just fine, got into a new exhibit and rolling forward as usual.

- [Avi] It sounds good.

I was just wondering if you got that pic I sent to you.

- [Jesse] I did, I did.

The blade has a certain patina to it, which you can only get by aging.

It definitely has that look of something that was made in 1940s or earlier.

Resistance fighters would have used anything and everything they could.

And it looks like something somebody would use in a fight.

Can you say for sure?

Well, you know, that's - Yeah, right.

You can't really say for sure, but there are a lot of things pointing in that direction.

- [Jesse] Yes.

(perky music) - This job's a little different.

This is more of like a needle in a haystack kind of situation.

We're trying to find a few items in a really big house.

Normally we're just clearing out a haystack.

- It's not always true.

But in this case it definitely was.

The bigger the house, the bigger the job.

(upbeat music) - We found all the legacy list items, we've cleaned up the attic and the workshop.

And now it's time to sit down with Linda and Terry and go through the legacy list.

This was an awesome week.

Thank you guys for having us.

I got to see your house.

I got to see your stuff.

And I really got to see a city I didn't really know much about, I'll be honest.

So thank you guys for kind of just exposing me to a lot more than I thought I would see this week.

I just thought I was coming to, you know, help you guys clean up a little bit.

- It's been great to have you here.

And every everyone's been great to work with.

- Good, you needed a little help downstairs in the shop.

We got that cleaned up.

And then you guys needed a little help up in the attic.

All right.

We'll get into the list.

- Yeah - Yeah, I'm very interested.

- Item.

Number one, wasn't sure about this one when you said it.

- Yeah.

- The wrench.

Tell me about this wrench.

- Well, number one, I'm really happy to be seeing it again.

In my past life I managed an industrial commercial plumbing warehouse for over 20 years.

And one of the guys I worked with, Dan was in his nineties.

He he was a walking encyclopedia of like the ways that everyone's forgot to do it.

Early in his career, he got that wrench.

- He probably carried this for 60, 70 years.

- Yeah.

- And someday you'll give this to somebody, believe it or not.

I mean, that's crazy to think.

The next item you asked us to find was the train set.

- We would put the train set up around the tree.

It added so much to the Christmas spirit.

- We kept digging and we found a lionel.

- Ah - Ah - [Matt] The lionel is no joke.

- [Terry] That's a lot bigger.

- [Matt] That is a real deal train.

- [Terry] Whoa.

- [Matt] Feel the difference.

- Maybe this is the set then that I'm remembering.

Did both of these like create smoke?

'Cause I remember the one I'm thinking of.

- This would have done smoke.

- Okay.

- Terry I'm sure you could find a way to make it do that right away.

- I can imagine this going along one of the tops of the walls upstairs, maybe with some little critters sitting in here.

- I might wake up tomorrow morning and find that.

- Oh, you would stay up late helping her, Terry.

I know you would.

(Linda and Terry laughing) You guys are dreamers together and I love it.

Watching Linda pick up that train, it was really cool.

And I think she immediately went back to like Christmas morning, hanging out by the tree.

(steam train honking) Terry, the knife.

We called our buddy, who is an expert, our buddy, Jesse at the Virginia War Memorial, known him for a long time.

And he went through all the archives, he looked at it.

No maker's mark anywhere on this.

I know there was some hope that we could tie it back to a resistance or something in World War II.

And the materials and the shape all add up to get us right around mid 1930s.

But because there's no maker's mark, we're not able to guarantee it.

But this was not meant to like, you know, open the mail.

- Right.

- We also found something else though.

You're not the only one in your family that is interested in blades.

- Oh oh, you're going to curiosity now.

- Yeah, no, this was cool.

This is an article from 1902 from the Pittsburgh press.

The research tells us it was basically a section in the paper about brawls about town.

(both laughing) What Loder feared really came true.

He is stabbed in the back by his brother-in-law just as he had predicted.

Now, no one died, but basically your great, great grandfather, John Barrett.

It was his brother-in-law, the two guys work together at a mill.

And the brother-in-law said something about his wife and he went and stabbed the guy.

He's your great, great grandfather, he's just like, "yeah, man, don't mess with me or my girl."

- That's a great addition to the family history.

- Oh, by the way apparently they went back to work.

Family didn't break up over it.

- [Linda] Oh my.

- [Terry] Well.

- But I would gather that the brother-in-law never said anything again.

It's my guess - He's learned his lesson.

- I love it.

We had another item that took us downtown.

Went to the Heinz History Center.

Super cool place.

I took the St. Patrick's church pew passes with me.

I never seen these before.

And even when you guys told me about them, I was like, Hmm, I don't know.

I'll let you hold this.

I was like, that sounds like a weird way for a church to get money off you.

What Anne the curator at the museum told me was, she said, "oh no".

She goes, "this was a very accepted way."

She was also, "a way the church could raise money "before pew offerings."

- [Terry] Okay.

- [Matt] 'Cause there was no pews.

- Right.

- Great.

- This was the first house I gathered.

She said it and I was like, "oh yeah, that makes sense."

She was really impressed by it.

Said it was a very positive thing for the church.

The Heinz History Center would absolutely love these.

If you were ever open to donating it to them.

- [Linda] I'm glad to hear that.

- All right.

This item, good golly.

I was really excited about, you know what this is?

Was your dad's artwork.

First, before we open it, tell me about your dad.

- My dad is a very creative, hardworking individual.

He always told us that he never wanted to participate in many of the hi-jinks that went on because he wanted to be home at night to be with his family.

That that was the most important thing to him and his drawing skills are fantastic.

- They are.

They are off the charts.

Your dad, is an incredible illustrator.

I'm gonna take this off and then put some of the pieces - Okay - on the table.

We've got a couple pieces I'm gonna bring up.

- Well, they didn't have to pick the locks.

(Linda and Matt laughing) - No.

- That's a good thing.

- Got a lot of pieces here, but I wanted to just bring out a few.

(Linda giggling) What an illustrator?

- Yeah.

This would have been done when he was 19 years old.

- Okay, so he was a kid.

(Terry laughing) We got some pinup art.

- [Linda] Ah.

- [Matt] This is just practicing form.

I'm sure he wasn't interested in this.

He was just 17.

So the subject matter seems appropriate.

(Terry and Linda laughing) This is amazing that this is what a kid did.

- [Linda] Really a lot of talent.

- [Matt] That i a ton of talent.

I know you said he liked to leave all the hi-jinks at home, but this is an ad man picture.

(Terry and Linda laughing) - Yeah, you're right.

I've never seen this photo.

- [Matt] No?

- [Terry] I love that picture man.

- No, I've never seen that one.

- [Terry] It's awesome.

- And then there's lots of finished ads as well.

- [ Linda] Yeah.

He worked on a ton of campaigns.

Gosh, Xerox, Johnny Walker, Frigidaire, Gillette, Borden dairy.

I mean the list goes on and on.

- [Linda] Oh, that's great.

(music stopping) - We get one more to go, it's some stuff from your mom.

Tell me about your mom.

- [Linda] I'm the oldest I'm over here.

My sister, Brenda and my brother, Frank.

(melancholic music) My mom was a tough cookie.

So she had three children in four and a half years - Wow.

- and had her hands full, really trying to overcome some really difficult history of her own.

And she said to.

I'm sorry.

- It's okay.

Take your time.

- I just think it was good at me.

She said she wanted to give us the life that she never had.

She wanted to give to us everything she had not gotten from her own parents in terms of love, affection, support.

So we didn't have it easy.

She really wanted to give us what she had not been able to get.

- Did she?

- Yeah, I would say she has definitely done that for her.

- It's great, you know, you don't appreciate your parents until you're a parent.

And the older we get, I think the more we realize how good our parents really were.

Even into our 50s and 60s you know.

And you asked us to find these items.

These are exactly what you said.

- Yeah, those are it.

- Magnificent clutches.

I mean, she was stylish.

This is a sign of the times.

- Nowadays that's not something you would carry.

- [Matt] It's a little things.

- [Terry] Yeah.

- [Linda] Details.

- [Matt] Yeah.

(jazz music stops) This has been amazing, this whole week.

But y'all unique situation.

You have so much good stuff.

I want you to get used to thinking about switching it out.

Otherwise there's no way to tell the full story.

Seasons are so important to you guys.

You have so much good stuff.

It's, a house that you can do this and you can change the things that you have.

Click the train out, enjoy it.

And then we're gonna switch it up.

That'll let you share more of the story.

- And we don't want it to consume us, we enjoy it.

It has to be something that's fun.

- I appreciate your time.

Appreciate you letting us in your lives.

I think a lot of people are gonna learn from you all.

And I love Pittsburgh.

Thank you guys for introduce me to the city.

- Well, I don't think we can let you go just yet.

We have something fun that you have to do before you leave.

- All right, I'm have a little nervous, but let's go do it.

(Linda laughing) - We told you we like to have fun.

- Axes is how you like to have fun.

- Of course.

- All right.

Show me what to do.

- Line it up, slate down your ax.

(ax thudding) Let it fly.

- Boom.

- Go for it.

- [Matt] Just a bit outside.

- [Terry] Oh.

(Matt laughing) Okay.

(ax thudding) - [Matt] Yeah, at least she hit the log.

- [All] Yeah.

- [Terry] Success, success.

- [Matt] I█ll take it.

I love Pittsburgh.

Thank you guys for introducing me to the city.

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