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WITH IT, SOME NEW HEADACHES.

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WE WILL TELL YOU WHO IS LEADING IN THE MONEY RACE FOR GOVERNOR.

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JIM: JOINING US FOR THE REPORTERS ROUNDTABLE, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR THE PUBLIC RADIO.

W PRA TARGET 12 INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER AND PROVIDENCE JOURNAL STATEHOUSE REPORTER PATRICK ANDERSON.

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WE APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING YOUR WEEKEND WITH US.

THE EDUCATION COMMISSIONER ANGELICA INFANTE-GREEN WILL BE STICKING AROUND FOR A WHILE, THAT'S WHAT HER BOSSES WOULD LIKE AS THEY RENEWED HER CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS.

SHE WAS BROUGHT IN WITH A FOCUS ON IMPROVING EDUCATION HAD TO DO WITH A STATE TAKEOVER OF THE PROVIDENCE DISTRICT FOLLOWED BY THE PANDEMIC DURING HER FIRST TERM.

THE LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOKS TO BE A MAJOR CHALLENGE.

WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

THE QUESTION I HAVE ALWAYS HAD, DOES SHE WANT TO STAY HERE?

WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IT, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT OPENINGS IN NEW YORK.

SHE MORE COMMITTED.

STEPH: SHE SAYS SHE IS STAYING.

THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF HER BEING WANTED BY OTHER PLACES BUT CAUSE THEM TO RENEW HER CONTRACT SIX MONTHS BEFORE IT WAS UP.

THEY LOCKED HER DOWN.

SHE TOLD ME SHE IS EXCEPTING.

SHE PLANS TO STAY.

SHE IS FOND OF RHODE ISLAND.

THEY HAVE A HOME HERE.

HER KIDS GO TO SCHOOL HERE.

JIM: IS IT LIKE A COLLEGE BASKETBALL COACH?

THEY ALWAYS SAY WE ARE EXTENDING THEM AND THE NEXT BEST OFFER COMES IN.

ARE THERE OUTS FOR HER?

STEPH: THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW GOVERNOR.

DURING THIS THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.

CERTAINLY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN NO ONE CAN LURE HER AWAY WITH A JOB OFFER.

SHE CAN LEAVE WITH -- I CAN'T MEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 60 DAYS NOTICE?

SHE IS NOT OBLIGATED TO STATE THREE YEARS IF SHE SIGNS THE CONTRACT.

IAN: THERE WERE SO ME RUMORS SHE MIGHT BE LEAVING FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

YOU WONDERED IF THEY WERE BEING FLOATED INTENTIONALLY.

WE HEARD WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK.

THE KEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO DISRUPT THINGS AS HE'S GOT A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR HE IS JUGGLING.

THE REELECTION CAMPAIGN IS BEGINNING.

THE TASK OF IMPROVING NOT JUST THE PROVIDENCE SCHOOLS BUT ALL THE STATE SCHOOLS, DEALING WITH THE MONEY COMING IN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR EDUCATION, DECIDING HOW TO USE THAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT GOING ON.

THERE ARE A TON OF CHALLENGES.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE WANTED ANOTHER VARIABLE THAT HE HAD TO SOLVE.

TO TRY TO PICK A NEW PERSON LEAVING THAT EFFORT AT THIS POINT.

IT MAY HAVE BE A GOOD THING FOR HIM TO LOCK HER UP.

JIM: THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN AWARE OF THE JUSTIFIED PUBLIC CYNICISM OF EDUCATION AND RHODE ISLAND.

THIS HAS BEEN A PRIMARY CHALLENGE AND -- CHALLENGE FACING THE STATE FOR DECADES.

SHE HAS SAID SHE WOULD BE HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL, WHETHER THAT MEANS SHE WOULD BE HERE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHO REALLY KNOWS.

SHE WAS COGNIZANT OF THEIR WAS A REVOLVING DOOR, PARTICULARLY SUPERINTENDENTS.

THAT IS NOT HELPED IMPROVING EDUCATION.

IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ASSESS HER PERFORMANCE WITHOUT COVID.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE SUSTAINED EFFORT TO MOVE THE BALL ON PUBLIC EDUCATION.

STEPH: MY QUESTION IS WHETHER SHE WOULD BE HERE IN 2025, WHEN THE GOALS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MET.

THEY DON'T HAVE YEAR BY YEAR MILESTONES.

THEY SAY WE WANT THE SCORES TO BE THIS IN 2025.

WE WANT THE DIVERSITY OF THE WORK FORCED TO BE THIS BY 2025.

WE WANT ALL THESE METRICS BY 2025.

JIM: THAT WAS THE ONE DISSENTING VOTE.

STEPH: DO YOU WANT A DIFFERENT COMMISSIONER?

WERE YOU NOT READY TO RENEW THIS ONE?

SHE SAID IT WAS THE LATTER.

SHE FELT LIKE THE PROCESS WAS RUSHED.

SHE HAS NOT SEEN ENOUGH.

WE JUST HAD IT COVID.

SHE HADN'T SEEN ENOUGH PROGRESS TO MAKE HER THINK SHE SHOULD RENEW THE COMMISSIONER.

JIM: WAS 2025 THE ORIGINAL?

HAS THAT BEEN PUSHED BACK?

STEPH: IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A FIVE-YEAR TURNAROUND.

FIVE SCHOOL YEARS.

IT'S REALLY SIX YEARS BECAUSE IT'S 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR AS THE BASELINE.

THERE IS A LIST OF METRICS THEY WANT TO GET BY 2025.

THAT'S THE TIME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF SCORES, GRADUATION RATES, DROPOUT RATES, ALL OF THESE METRICS THEY WANT TO GET UP BY 2025.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONER WILL STILL BE HERE.

JIM: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR IMPRESSION IS, I FELT SHE GOT -- SHE AND DAN MCKEE GOT A LOT CLOSER AS TIME AND ON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS.

IT SEEMED A LOT BETTER, JUST LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND WITH THE GOVERNOR.

EVEN THOUGH HE PULLED HER OUT OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, SHE WOULD SAY PUBLICLY IT SEEMED WARMER.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOUR IMPRESSION.

IT SEEMED LIKE THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS BETTER.

IAN: THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE COUPLE OF THE TOP LIEUTENANTS THAT WERE HELD OVER.

WHEN THE TRANSITION HAPPENED, IT WAS EXPECTED THEY WOULD MOVE ON.

THEN THERE WAS THE BACK AND FORTH THAT HAS BEEN SO CENTRAL IN THE COVID RESPONSE.

THERE WAS A CYCLE OF RUMORS AND PERIODS OF TENSION ALLEGEDLY BETWEEN THEM.

SHE HAS STAYED ON.

THAT KEEPS HAPPENING.

THIS IS A SIMILAR THING WITH THE EDUCATION COMMISSIONER, OR YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE TENSION IN THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

THEN THEY DO GET CLOSER TOGETHER.

HE STICKS WITH THEM.

THAT IS A PATTERN WITH HIM.

JIM: YOU CAN'T TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF POLITICS.

SCHOOLS ARE INHERENTLY POLITICAL.

THE GOVERNOR HAS HAD AN INTEREST IN EDUCATION GOING BACK TO WHEN HE WAS MAYOR.

AT THE SAME TIME, IF PEOPLE WERE TO CRITICIZE HIM ON EDUCATION, IT WOULD BE FOR THE LACK OF A REALLY RADICALLY DIFFERENT APPROACH.

HE SEEMS TO RESPOND TO THAT.

IN THE REAL WORLD, THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE COLLABORATION AND COMING TOGETHER.

HE'S TRYING TO AVOID MORE ACRIMONY WITH THE TEACHERS UNION.

I THINK PATRICK MAKES AGOOD POINT IN THAT.

YOU'VE BEEN REPORTING ON TEACHERS.

THEY ARE HEMORRHAGING TEACHERS.

WE HAD THE ISSUE ABOUT THE THREE TEACHERS, THEY WERE FORCING THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING VACCINATED.

YOU HAVE A TEACHER, YOU GET BONDED WITH YOUR TEACHER.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOUR TEACHER IS GONE.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

IS IT A SUB FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR?

WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT THIS?

THESE ARE JUST PEOPLE LEAVING.

STEPH: THEY HAVE 2000 TEACHERS.

THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE COMPARED TO HOW MANY TEACHERS WE HAVE, HAVING THEM LEAVE IS NOT THAT MANY.

THAT'S A LOT OF TEACHERS THAT HAVE LEFT SINCE THE START OF THE TAKEOVER AND IN BETWEEN LAST SCHOOL YEAR AND THIS YEAR.

A LOT OF TEACHERS LEFT.

THEY ARE NOT HIRING FAST ENOUGH TO REPLACE THEM.

OFFICIALS APPOINTED TO THE NUMBER OF CLASSROOM VACANCIES LOWER THAN THE OVERALL TEACHER VACANCY NUMBER.

THAT'S NOT INCLUDING OTHER STAFF VACANCIES.

HAVING 65 CLASSROOMS AT DON'T HAVE A TEACHER, THAT'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT DON'T HAVE A TEACHER THIS YEAR.

THEY HAVE A LONG-TERM SUB.

THAT'S NOT HAVING A TEACHER WHO IS QUALIFIED IN THE SUBJECT.

IAN: THAT DOES NOT AID THE EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE SCHOOLS.

IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO PROVIDENCE.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THE STUDENT BODY EACH YEAR.

I ASKED THE THEN EDUCATION COMMISSIONER WHY A HIGH SCHOOL WAS ON THE COVER OF A NATIONAL MAGAZINE BACK IN 1965.

HE SAID THE ECONOMY CHANGED.

ASKED THEN, A LOT OF KIDS DROPPED OUT.

THEY COULD GET A JOB IN A MANUFACTURING FACILITY AND MAKE A GOOD LIVING FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FEWER AND THERE IS MORE TURNOVER.

PATRICK: WE ARE SEEING A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW GOING BACK TO THE SCORES.

THERE HAVE BEEN THE CONSEQUENCES FROM THE BENT -- PANDEMIC.

WE SEE A LOT OF IT NOW IN BOTH OF THE AFTER EFFECTS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PROVIDENCE WITH THE TEACHERS.

THE HORRIBLE SCORES, THERE WERE CONSEQUENCES TO GOING TO REMOTE LEARNING.

THERE WAS SOME DEBATE, EVEN BEFORE YOU CAN SHIFT TO REMOTE.

IT WILL BE OK.

IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF DEAL.

THERE IS A BIG COST TO NOT HAVING KIDS IN SCHOOL.

SOME OF THE DISTRICTS MAY BE WARRANT AS EAGER TO GO BACK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

JIM: REMEMBER THE GOVERNOR SAME IT'S GOING TO SWIMMINGLY.

WE'VE GOT THE BEST DISTANCE LEARNING IN THE COUNTRY.

IT'S NOT HER FAULT, WE REALIZE IT WASN'T THE CASE.

LET'S MOVE ON.

YOU'VE BEEN DIGGING INTO CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS.

THEY WERE DUE FOR THE THIRD QUARTER.

LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU.

ALL THE CANDIDATES, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

THEY ARE RAISING A LOT OF MONEY.

HE HAS $1 MILLION AND HE'S NOT RUNNING.

WHAT DO YOU READ INTO THIS?

THE MONEY DRIVES THE SHOW.

IAN: HE'S COMING AT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE BEST DEFENSE IS A STRONG OFFENSE.

HE FACES CERTAIN CHALLENGES IN THE ELECTION.

THE GOVERNOR HAS HAD SOME CONTROVERSIES.

IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERESTIMATE HIM.

THIS OFFERS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HER FUNDRAISING NUMBERS ARE.

SHE DID NOT HAVE TO FILE.

IT'S A VERY PROSPEROUS FORMER CORPORATE EXECUTIVE, SHE IS PRESUMED TO HAVE A GREAT CAPACITY FOR RAISING MONEY.

I THINK MAGAZINER HAS TO PLOT HIS MOVES CAREFULLY.

WITH SIX CANDIDATES ON THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FIELD, FIVE OF THEM WITH A LOT OF MONEY, SOMEONE COULD WIN WITH A RELATIVELY THIN SLICE OF THE VOTE.

FULKS IS TAKING VOTES AWAY FROM MAGAZINER.

I THINK HE HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE HIS MONEY STRATEGICALLY AND HOW TO CRAFT HIS MESSAGE TO COMPETE EFFECTIVELY.

PATRICK: I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE RACE BEGIN YET.

ALL THE CANDIDATES ARE REALLY LAYING LOW.

THAT'S A GOOD THING.

WE WILL BE SICK OF THE CONSTANT ATTACKS IN NOT TOO LONG.

THEY ARE DOING THEIR POLLING INTERNALLY.

WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THEM -- THEY ARE NOT ENGAGING EACH OTHER .

NO ONE WANTS TO GO NEGATIVE RIGHT NOW.

EVERYONE REALIZES WHEN YOU GO NEGATIVE AND COME AFTER SOMEONE, THAT BRINGS DOWN YOUR FAVORABILITY.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE THE LAST ONE TO DO THAT.

IT DOES LOOK GOOD FOR MAGAZINER.

WE KNEW HE WOULD BE ABLE TO RAISE MONEY.

HE IS EDGING BACK AHEAD OF THE KEY.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT GOOD TIME HE HAD.

WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS IN A STRONG POSITION, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LEAN ON THAT.

HE DOES HAVE CONTROL OF SO MUCH MONEY AND SO MANY LEVERS OF STATE GOVERNMENT.

THOSE WEREN'T AMAZING NUMBERS.

THE RACE HAS YET TO REALLY TAKE OFF.

JIM: IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE COMMERCIALS EVENTUALLY, WE GET THESE SNARKY EMAILS.

WE ARE ALL ON THE LIST.

WE NEED REAL LEADERSHIP.

IT'S NOT SO VEILED THREATS.

I WOULD DO THIS, OR WHATEVER.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEGATIVE.

IAN: IT'S PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE.

THEY ARE NOT TAKING OPPORTUNITIES THEY WILL TAKE.

JUST BEHIND THE SCENES, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THEY WILL BE JUMPING ON IF IT WAS FURTHER ALONG IN THE RACE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT ABOVE THE FRAY.

WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPACT FOLKS WILL HAVE.

SHE CAME UP ABOVE THE SERVICE OF THE WATER FOR A SECOND.

SHE DOVE BACK INTO THE ABYSS.

NO ONE HAS SEEN OR HEARD FROM HER SINCE.

THAT'S A COMPLETE MYSTERY.

STEPH: IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THE WARCHEST AND WHO IS IN THE LEAD.

UNTIL THE RACE REALLY GETS GOING, WE CAN'T SAY WHO IS IN THE LEAD.

MCKEE HASN'T ANNOUNCED HIS CAMPAIGN.

HE IS ON TV EVERY DAY BECAUSE HE IS THE GOVERNOR.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE RACE TAKE SHAPE AND THE ACTUAL RANKINGS OF WHO IS PULLING AHEAD.

RIGHT NOW, EVERYONE WHO ISN'T THE INCUMBENT GOVERNOR IS SORT OF COMPETING FOR TRYING TO GET ATTENTION, SENDING OUT A PRESS RELEASE ABOUT WHAT MCKEE JESTED, HOPING IT MAKES THE NEWS.

WE ARE A WAYS OFF FROM THINGS TAKING SHAPE.

JIM: WHAT'S THE PATH DOWN BALLOT?

NAT BROWN HAS THE COOPERATIVE, THAT'S ANOTHER HALF HOUR WE COULD TALK ABOUT.

ONLY 14 HAVE DECLARED.

WHAT IS THE PATH TO GET AIR TIME AND SPACE AND CONNECT WITH THE VOTERS FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE TRYING TO COME FROM SPACE.

IAN: THE FIELD HASN'T JELLED YET.

WE KNOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS GOING TO SEEK REELECTION.

THE TREASURER'S OFFICE SAID THEY WILL BE VACANT.

IT GETS VERY GRANULAR IN LEGISLATIVE RACES.

THEY ARE SOMETIMES DECIDED BY A COUPLE HUNDRED VOTES.

YOU CAN SEE THE EFFORT -- THEY ARE GOING TO RUN 50 CANDIDATES.

WE'VE ONLY SEEN A FRACTION OF THAT SO FAR.

A LOT OF THIS HAS YET TO HAPPEN.

JIM: YOU'VE BEEN BUSY THIS WEEK.

LAST WEEK, YOU HAD A GREAT STORY.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, GO TO W PRI.COM.

IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS.

STEPH: I COVERED THE ORIGINAL THING 10 YEARS AGO.

JIM: FOR US, IT'S WHAT WE DO.

WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED 10 YEARS AGO AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, YOUR GRAPHICS WERE GREAT.

YOU TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN WHO SAID WE WERE A LITTLE BIT AMBITIOUS AT THE BEGINNING.

STEPH: WE COVER THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS FOR WHAT TO BUILD ON THE 195 LAND THAT IS GETTING PROPOSED, SCRAPPED, IT'S TAKEN FIVE YEARS.

I WANTED TO TAKE THE 500 FOOT VIEW OF WHAT HAVE WE DONE ON THIS LAND.

IT LOOKS NICE DOWN THERE.

A LOT OF PARCELS ARE VACANT.

THERE ARE BUILDINGS UP AND BEING CONSTRUCTED.

I WANTED TO TAKE A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS BEING BUILT AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE 10 YEARS AGO, BOTH ABOUT WHAT SORT OF PLACE THIS WAS GOING TO BE AND ALSO HOW IT PLAYED OUT FOR TAXPAYERS.

THEY'VE ONLY MADE $1.2 MILLION SELLING THE LAND COMPARED TO THE PROJECTIONS AT THE TIME DURING THE CHAFEE ADMINISTRATION WHERE THEY WOULD'VE MADE $40 MILLION.

THAT WOULD'VE PAID BACK THESE BONDS THEY TOOK OUT TO BUY THE LAND.

THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION WHO WAS AT THE CHAIRMAN BACK THEN IT, HE SAID THAT'S FINE.

WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO SELL LAND FOR ONE DOLLAR, THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY BACK THE DEBT.

WE ARE PAYING THAT BACK EVERY YEAR.

THESE LOANS ARE TAKEN OUT TO BUY THIS LAND.

AT A LINK THE TAXPAYERS THEY WOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THAT.

JIM: EXCELLENT STORY.

THE MOST NOTABLE DEVELOPMENT IS THE WEXFORD COMPLEX.

IT WAS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY THE STATE.

I WAS WALKING AROUND THE JEWELRY DISTRICT.

THERE ARE A BUNCH OF NEW FILLINGS IN THE PERIPHERY OF THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THE FOUNDATION IS ENGAGED IN AN EFFORT TO STUDY WHY RHODE ISLAND HAS HAD DIFFICULTY ATTRACTING MORE LIFE SCIENCES COMPANIES.

THIS IS A GOOD EFFORT.

WHY IS THIS ONLY HAPPENING 10 YEARS INTO THE PROCESS WHEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS INQUIRY HAPPENING 10 YEARS AGO.

PATRICK: NOW, IT'S HEAVY ON THE HOUSING.

THEY WERE LOOKING MORE FOR BUSINESSES.

IAN: THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN DOING THAT.

A LOT OF IT WAS BY PEOPLE, ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO KNEW IT WOULD BE 10 YEARS AND THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE THOSE PROJECTIONS CAME DUE AND BEFORE PEOPLE COULD LOOK AND ANALYZE WHAT WAS THERE.

THE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT THEY WOULD MAKE FROM LAND SALES AND THE JOB CREATING BUSINESSES WERE NOT PRACTICAL GIVEN RHODE ISLAND'S MARKET.

THEY COULD NOT HAVE PREDICTED THE PANDEMIC.

THE QUESTION BECOMES IS IT BETTER TO HAVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN PROVIDENCE , EVEN IF WE HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THEM OR GIVE THE LAND AWAY OR HAVE PARKING LOTS OR GRASSY SPACES IN THE CITY.

THEY HAVE GONE WITH THE FORMER AND DECIDED TO GO WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

JIM: THE UNIVERSITIES HAVE BOUGHT UP SO MUCH LAND.

THIS GOES OFF 195.

THAT GOES OFF THE BOOKS.

STEPH: EVEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE STATE HEALTH LAB, THEY'RE GOING TO SELL THE LAND FOR ONE DOLLAR.

IT'S GOING TO BE CONDOMINIUMS.

AN ANCHOR TENANT MIGHT COME IN FOR THE OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MANY TAXPAYERS WILL GET.

THERE GETTING NO PROPERTY TAXES FROM THE VACANT LAND.

WE WILL SEE IF THEY CAN MAKE ANY OF THAT.

JIM: THEY DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE COMING BACK 10 YEARS FROM NOW, LOOKING BACK.

HE WANTED THE 500 FOOT VIEW.

STEPH: I GOT THE DRONE UP 500 FEET.

THAT WAS LITERAL.

I WENT THROUGH THE ARCHIVES FROM 2015.

IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE JOBS AND THE PROMISES THAT REMAIN.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BAD.

MAYBE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THE NEW METHOD OF HOW TO HANDLE THAT LAND IS GOING TO BE GREAT.

JIM: WHAT DO YOU HAVE THIS WEEK?

IAN: SEXUAL ABUSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE PRIEST IN PROVIDENCE.

THERE IS A STORY ABOUT A FORMER COACH IN NORTH KINGSTOWN, ENGAGING IN INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR.

THEY ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

IT POINTS TO THE EPIDEMIC OF ABUSE AND OUR SOCIETY.

WE GET NEWS RELEASES ALL THE TIME.

PEOPLE ARE BEING PROSECUTED FOR POSSESSION OF CHILD FOR NAGA FEET.

THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THIS HAPPENS IS DISTURBING.

IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

PATRICK: IT DOESN'T RAISE TO THE LEVEL OF OUTRAGE.

GOING BACK TO THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS, MATT BROWN SAID HE OUTRAISED MCKEE WHEN HE COMBINED HIS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PARTNER.

IT WAS A LITTLE BIT ABSURD.

YOU HAVE TO APPRECIATE IT.

HE KNEW IT WOULD DRIVE THE MEDIA STEPH: WHO REPORT ON STEPH: THESE FUNDRAISING NUMBERS.

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I DO HAVE A KUDO.

THIS IS FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

THEY'VE BEEN REPORTING ON THE KINGSTOWN COACH THE IAN MENTIONED.

THEY BEEN FOLLOWING -- FILING STORIES.

THEY WORKED ON IT FOR LONG TIME.

THESE ARE STORIES THAT ARE HARD TO NAIL DOWN.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAIR WORD CHILDREN WHEN THIS HAPPENED.

THEY ARE COMING FORWARD FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I'VE WATCH THEM WORK ON THIS FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I AM PROUD OF THE WORK.

IT REMINDS ME WHY WE ARE HERE.

IAN: THE COACHES NOT BEEN CHARGED.

STEPH: THERE IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, BUT NO CHARGES.

JIM: YOU REPORTED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL MOVEMENT ON THE FEDERAL STIMULUS MONEY.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENCE.

THE SENATE WANTS TO COME BACK.

YOU NEED THE HOUSE TO PLAY BALL.

WE HAD THE GOVERNOR ON THE SHOW A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

HE WANTS 10% OUT THE DOOR.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

NOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS DELIBERATE PROCESS.

WHAT IS YOUR SENSE?

PATRICK: THEY HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO COME BACK.

THE SENATE IS WORKING WITH THEM AND DID NOT WANT TO HAVE A GAP BETWEEN THEM IN THE HOUSE.

THEY ARE SAYING THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON SOMETHING.

THAT SHIFTS THE SPOTLIGHT OVER TO THE HOUSE TO SEE WHAT THEY WILL DO.

IF THE SENATE VOTES ON THE PROPOSALS TO SPEND MONEY, IT WILL BE WHETHER THE HOUSE WILL DO THE SAME.

THAT CHANGES THE DYNAMIC A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THIS WILL HAPPEN OR WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN.

WE ARE STILL WAITING ON MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

JIM: IF THE SECOND WEEK IN NOVEMBER.

PATRICK: WE ARE STILL IN THAT PERIOD.

IT'S OVER TO THE SPEAKER TO SEE WHAT HE WANTS AND WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.

JIM: THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS LOOKED AT IT.

IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME MASSAGING?

THERE'S NOT ONE CLEAR PATH.

IAN: AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNCERTAINTIES.

THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT, IF IT WINS APPROVAL DOES INCLUDE A TON OF MONEY FOR BROADBAND.

THAT IS SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON IN THE SHORT TERM.

THAT JUSTIFIES HOLDING OFF RIGHT NOW.

JIM: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE.

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