JIM: THIS WEEK ON A LIVELY EXPERIMENT, A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE WAY RHODE ISLANDERS VOTE AND RUN FOR OFFICE.

INCLUDING A TWEAK OF THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS FOR CANDIDATES.

IN THE FIRST PERSON TO OFFICIALLY THROW HER NAME IN IN THE RACE TO SUCCEED CONGRESSMAN CICILLINE.

>> A LIVELY EXPERIMENT IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> I AM JOHN.

FOR OVER 30 YEARS A LIVELY EXPERIMENT HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS OF THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.

JIM: JOINING US ON THE PANEL, BILLY HUNT, CHAIRMAN OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF RHODE ISLAND.

DAVE LAYMAN, CORPORATE COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT AND AND BROWN UNIVERSITY POLITICAL PROVIDE -- SCIENCE PROFESSOR WENDY SCHILLER.

WELCOME INTO THIS WEEK'’S LIVELY.

I'’M JIM HUMMEL AND IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

FOR NEARLY A DECADE, RHODE ISLANDERS HAD TO SHOW IDENTIFICATION AT THE POLLS.

SOMETHING AT LEAST 34 OTHER STATES ALSO REQUIRE.

NOW SOME HERE ARE CALLING FOR A REPEAL OF THE LAW, SAYING IT MAY DISENFRANCHISE POTENTIAL VOTERS.

THIS AS LAWMAKERS ARE ALSO CONSIDERING A BILL THAT WOULD REQUIRE CANDIDATES TO LIVE IN RHODE ISLAND IN ORDER TO RUN.

-- IN RHODE ISLAND FOR FIVE YEARS IN ORDER TO RUN.

UNDERSTAND AND VARIOUS STATES DO A DIFFERENT WAYS, I THINK CALIFORNIA IS SEVEN YEARS, YOU CAN RUN MUCH HERE LIKE YOU HAVE ARRIVED.

LET'’S START WITH VOTER ID, THIS HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY BECAUSE I THINK IN THE SOUTH THERE WAS DISENFRANCHISEMENT ISSUES.

DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH VOTER ID?

PROF. SCHILLER: THE SPEAKER HAS RULED ON THIS AND ESSENTIALLY THEY SAID IF A STATE MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO GET A FREE ID, FREE STATE ID SO IT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY ONEROUS FOR PEOPLE TO GET THE ID, THEN IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

TEXAS GOT STRUCK DOWN BECAUSE THEY MADE PEOPLE DRIVE HUNDREDS OF MILES AND CHARGED MONEY BUT NOW THE COURT IS LIKE IF YOU DO NOT CHARGE MONEY AND IT IS EASY TO GET, THE STATE CAN DO THAT.

I THINK IT'’S GOOD HAVE IDENTIFICATION.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO BE STOPPED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SEE THEIR ID UNNECESSARILY, I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT HAVING IDENTIFICATION IS GOOD IN CASE YOU GET INTO AN ACCIDENT OR NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

SO I DO NOT SEE THE PROBLEM IF IT IS PROVIDING -- PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE AND EASY TO GET.

I THINK IT IS BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE IDENTIFICATION IN THIS WORLD.

>> I AGREE.

IT IS SOMETHING OFFERED BY THE STATE FOR FREE, IF YOU CHANGE ADDRESSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YOU SHOULD GO AND UPDATE YOUR VOTING REGISTRATION SO YOU ARE VOTING THE RIGHT PRECINCT.

THAT'’S THE PROBLEM WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE WHERE THEY LIVE AND THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS WHEN THEY GO VOTE.

IT'’S A LITTLE STRANGE TO ME BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIL BALLOTS, ONE OF THE OTHER BILLS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU DO NOT NEED AN ID TO VOTE FOR MAIL BALLOT BUT YOU NEED ONE WHEN YOU VOTE AT TOWN HALL OR VOTE AT THE POLLS.

SO THIS IDEA THERE IS AN OVERLY COMPLICATED PROCESS IN THAT PEOPLE DON'’T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN VOTING MY MAIL AND VOTING IN PERSON AND WHEN IDS ARE A REQUIREMENT, THAT COULD COMPLICATE THINGS.

JIM: THEY ELIMINATED THE TWO WITNESSING THE.

DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT THAT ARE NOT?

FOR A MAIL BALLOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WITNESS.

>> I THINK ANYTHING YOU ARE ATTESTING TO THAT IS IN CONTRACTS, IF YOU'’RE CHANGING THE BENEFITS OF A LIFE INSURANCE POLICY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT YOU HAVE WITNESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'’S A RELATIVELY REASONABLE STEP TO REQUEST FOR PEOPLE TO DO IF THEY WILL BE VOTING BY MAIL.

>> I THINK IT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

IT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME OF THE TRUCKSTOP THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN, WHERE THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE VOTED OR WERE ENTITLED TO VOTE.

IT IS COMMON SENSE, YOU USE -- DO THIS ALL THE TIME.

JIM: YOU USE YOUR ID FOR EVERYTHING.

>> EVERYTHING.

I AM'’S HIM PATHETIC TO SOME CORNERS WHERE THEY SAY SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THOSE EXCEPTIONS AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE BUT LIFE IS NOT PERFECT.

I THINK HAVING A VALID ID AND MAKING IT EASY AS YOU POINTED OUT, HAVING A VALID ID, EASY TO GET, AND VARIOUS SOCIAL AGENCIES AND SO FORTH CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

THE SENIOR CENTERS CAN HELP OUT IN THAT REGARD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO TAKE THIS AWAY FROM BEING A HURDLE.

SO I THINK THE VALIDITY OF THE VOTE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

JIM: AND IT'’S A VAST MINORITY THAT MIGHT GET FROZEN.

WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND PART OF THIS, MINIMUM FIVE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR?

PROF. SCHILLER: I AM A TRANSPLANT, I WILL HAVE BEEN HERE 28 YEARS -- JIM: AND YOU'’RE ARE CONSIDERED A NEWCOMER.

PROF. SCHILLER: I'’M STILL CONSIDERED A TRANSPLANT.

I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW I STATE WORKS, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW THE WORKINGS OF A STAND UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS AND EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY AND UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY.

IT TAKES A WHILE TO KNOW THE GOVERNOR TO HAVE EXPERIENCE.

FIVE YEARS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME.

WHAT ABOUT TWO YEARS?

TWO YEARS YOU PROBABLY FIGURE OUT THE LAY OF THE LAND.

JIM: AREN'’T VOTERS IN THE KNOW IF YOU NOT FROM AROUND HERE?

PROF. SCHILLER: SOMETIMES YOU CAN SAY I HAVE BEEN THERE -- HERE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY MY LIFE BUT I'’M NOT FROM HERE.

IT SEEMS ARBITRARY FIVE YEARS AND I DON'’T UNDERSTAND IT.

WE DO NOT WANT TO PRO CLUE TALENT.

WE DON'’T WANT TO SAY YOUR TALENT AND WE WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

A GOVERNOR THAT DOES NOT HAVE STRONG TIES HERE PERSONALLY CAN MAKE DECISIONS A LITTLE MORE OBJECTIVE, MORE NEUTRAL.

BILLY: HI -- DAVE: I AGREE.

MOST STATES HAVE A FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR RESIDENCY.

SOME ARE LOWER.

THERE ARE SOME TWO YEARS.

WE ARE A HANDFUL -- RHODE ISLAND IS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF STATES THAT BASICALLY BECAME AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT LIVING AT THE HOLIDAY INN OVER THE WEEKEND YOU CAN RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS SERIOUS.

I CAME UP WITH AN IDEA AS WE WERE STUDYING THIS.

ONE WAY TO PROBABLY SOLVE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS TO NOT PERMIT AN ENTIRELY SELF-FUNDED CAMPAIGN BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN SWOOP IN AND THIS IS NOT A DIG AT ASHLEY KAYLA'’S, THIS COULD BE ANYBODY, IF THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, THEY CAN DROP IN AFTER A MONTH AND CAN RULE THE POPULATION IF THERE IS NOT A GREAT FIELD -- JIM: THEN YOU GET INTO CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES ON MONEY, RIGHT?

DAVE: YEAH BUT YOU CAN PUT A LIMIT ON IT.

PROF. SCHILLER: STATES CAN DO THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION.

DAVE: MAYBE 750,000 DOLLAR LIMITS MIGHT BE GOOD.

THAT GIVES A NEW PERSON A CHANCE TO GET ON THE AIR AND GET RECOGNITION TO RAISE MONEY.

BUT I THINK IF YOU WANT TO RUN A STATE, YOU OUGHT TO BE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE TO UNDERSTAND THE STATE, UNDERSTAND WITH THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, GO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

JIM: MAYBE THE WENDY SCHILLER AMENDMENT SHOULD BE TWO YEARS.

[LAUGHTER] WHAT YOU THINK?

BILLY: THE IDEA SOMEBODY CAN JUST WALK INTO A STATE IN 30 DAYS AND RUN FOR OFFICE FOR ONE OF THE MAJOR PARTIES IS A REFLECTION OF HOW ANEMIC THE REFLECTION -- REPUBLICAN PARTY IS IN THE STATES BUT WE DON'’T HAVE THEM BRAND CANDIDATES THERE READY TO GO TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR AND I'’M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THIS.

IF SOME OF THE ONES TO COME IN ON A 30 DAYS AND RUN FOR GOVERNOR AND ACHIEVE THAT, GOOD ON THEM.

THAT IS UP TO THEM.

THE IDEA WE ARE RESTRICTING WHO WE ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR BUT MAKING IT EASIER TO VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE DOESN'’T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

IF SOMEONE WANTS TO RUN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

PROF. SCHILLER: I THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE FLIP HE, JUDGE FLANDERS, A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE RUN FOR GOVERNOR FOR THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND CHOSE I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY CALL IT TOTALLY ANEMIC.

I WILL SAY THERE WILL PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE BEEN THE LEAD BY FIGURED I WILL NOT WIN.

JIM: WOULD A, CODA, SHOULD A. BILLY: WHY DIDN'’T THEY HAVE THE PATHWAY TO VICTORIES?

THEY DIDN'’T HAVE THE MONEY, ORGANIZATION, OR ANYTHING YOU NEED TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING POLITICAL CAMPAIGN T GET CANADA SELECTED.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY A TERRIBLE TRACK RECORD.

PROF. SCHILLER: THINK ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON'’S CAREER, SHE MOVED TO NEW YORK SIX MONTHS BEFORE SHE RAN FOR SENATE FOR THE 2000 SENATE RACE AND SHE WON THE RACE BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF GRUMBLING.

JIM: DIDN'’T ONE OF THE KENNEDYS DO THAT YEARS AGO TOO?

PROF. SCHILLER: YEAH.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE VOTERS OF RHODE ISLAND TO SAY IN MATTERS THAT YOU KNOW US AND OUR STATE BUT I THINK FIVE YEARS IS A LONG TIME AND PRECLUDES POTENTIAL TALENT SO I'’M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.

DAVE: THERE ARE A LOT OF STATES THAT HAVE THE TWO-YEAR REQUIREMENT.

JIM: THE SCHILLER AMENDMENT, I HAVE DEEMED IT HERE FOR ANYONE LISTENING.

[LAUGHTER] THIS IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ON LIGHTLY -- LIVELY IT EVERY WEEK FROM NOW UNTIL THE FALL.

THE DEPARTURE OF CICILLINE HAS SET OFF A WHOLE HOST OF PHONE CALLS GOING ON, WHO WILL BE RUNNING QUESTION MARK NOW THERE IS SPECULATION ONE CANDIDATE WHO HAS ALREADY THROWN HER NAME INTO THE MIX IS SAVINO MACRO, SHE HAS NOT ANNOUNCED OFFICIALLY, THAT WILL APPARENTLY COME THIS COMING WEEK, BUT IT LOOKS ALL SIGNS APPEAR SHE WILL.

WE WERE TALKING OFF AIR BEFORE THIS, THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE TO THIS.

SHE HAS A FOUR-YEAR TERM, SHE LOSES AND GOES BACK TO THE STATEHOUSE.

DAVE: IT'’S TRUE FOR WHOEVER MIGHT BE CONSIDERING A RUN.

IT IS BASICALLY A NO-FAULT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RUN.

I TALKED WITH -- A FEW MINUTES BEFORE WE ROLLED TAPE, WITH JOE SAKKARI SHE BECAUSE HE IS SOMETHING -- SOMEBODY CONSIDERING A RUN.

HE TOLD ME AND I THINK THIS IS NEW, HE TOLD ME HE WOULD HAVE A DECISION BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, SO HE IS -- JIM: GOOD, SO LET'’S STOP THE SPECULATION.

IN OR OUT.

DAVE: I DON'’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

HE TOLD ME HE IS DONE -- HE HAS DONE ALL THE POLITICAL CALCULUS AND AND FEELS HE HAS THE SUPPORT, COULD GET THE NOMINATION, HE HAS THE MONEY, SO THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR HIM.

HIS ISSUE IS HE'’S GOT TO MAKE IT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL AND HE IS GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO FLUSH THAT OUT.

I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY JOE SHOOK ARCHIE SHOULD RUN AND I TOLD HIM THIS AS A LAYMAN'’S POINT OF VIEW, SMILE, WHY WOULD YOU GIVE UP THE POWER HERE?

HE'’S GOT A 14 POINT HOUSING BILL, HE WILL NEVER GET A BILL IN CONGRESS FOR PROBABLY FIVE TO SIX YEARS IF HE STAYS THAT LONG.

RHODE ISLAND NOW HAS - WHOEVER GETS A SEAT FROM THE STATE WILL BE THE LOWEST PERSON ON THE TOTEM POLE IN TERMS OF SENIORITY.

HE WILL BE FOR 35 AND JUSTIN BUTLER WILL BE OUR OTHER CONGRESSMEN, SO WE HAVE NO CLOUDS, WE ARE THE SMALLEST STATE, BOTTOM OF THE SENIORITY LIST.

IT IS A REPUBLICAN RUN HOUSE AND WILL PROBABLY REMAIN THAT WAY FOR A WHILE.

WHY WOULD YOU GIVE UP THE POWER -- AND JOE HAS A LOT OF POWER IN THIS DAY, THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICIAN, EVEN MORE SO THAN THE GOVERNOR.

JIM: WE KNOW JOE SAKKARI SHE, DO THEY REALLY KNOW WHO THE SPEAKER IS RUNNING AS OPPOSED TO SABINA MATTHEWS?

SHE HAS WON A STATEWIDE RACE.

PROF. SCHILLER: AND GOVERNOR MCKEE HAD HER BY HIS SIDE THE WHOLE TIME.

SO HE REALLY GAVE HER A BIT -- A BIG PLATFORM SO I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE HER.

I THINK SHE HAS STRONG SUPPORT AMONG PEOPLE WHO PAY ATTENTION TO POLITICS AND TO KNOW HIM AND KNOW HIS RECORD BUT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LATIN ACTS AND COMMUNITY IN RHODE ISLAND, A BIG COMMUNITY, TO REASSERT THEIR POLITICAL POWER.

YOU HAD THE MAYOR SHIP -- IF YOU ARE DOMINICAN, YOU HAD A DOMINICAN MAYOR FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEN GUATEMALA MAYOR AND THEN SABINA MATOS WHICH IS DID -- IS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

IN THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION WE HAVE FOR WHITE MEN.

I THINK THERE WILL BE A BIG PUSH TO HAVE A WOMAN AND A BIG PUSH TO HAVE LATIN AND REPRESENTATION IN CONGRESS FROM RHODE ISLAND TO SORT OF BALANCE OUT THE POPULATION OF RHODE ISLAND.

I THINK THERE IS A BIT MORE OF AN UPHILL CLIMB IN THIS DISTRICT.

IF IT WAS THE SECOND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, I THINK YOU WILL HAVE AN EASIER PATH.

THIS WILL BE TOUGH IF THE MAYOR OF CENTRAL FALLS GETS IN.

IT WILL BE TOUGH.

I THINK WOMEN IN THE STATE WANT TO SEE WOMEN RUNNING.

JIM: DO YOU THINK THEY WILL EAT EACH OTHER UP?

WITH THE MAYOR AND SENATOR AND SABINA RUN TOGETHER?

BECAUSE WOULDN'’T THEY DIVIDE THE VOTE?

>> MEN RUN AGAINST EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME AND DON'’T MIND SO I DON'’T THINK WOMEN WILL MISS THE OPPORTUNITY.

DAVE: IT'’S ABOUT MONEY.

JOE SAKKARSHI HAS MONEY BUT HE HAS GOT TO CONVERT IT.

I UNDERSTAND HE HAS A SPECIALIST THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THAT SO HE WILL HAVE A HUGE WARCHEST.

PROF. SCHILLER: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO CONTRIBUTORS.

JIM: YEAH BUT IF HE HAS MONEY THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE DEAD, HE HAS HAD THAT MONEY FOR 10 YEARS.

PROF. SCHILLER: YOU CAN COME IN ON THE MONEY PART BUT I'’M NOT SO SURE GIVES YOU A BIG ADVANTAGE IN THIS RACE RIGHT NOW.

BILLY: IT HAS TO.

SETH MAGAZINER AND ALEC FUNK SPEND CLOSE TO $4 MILLION ON THEIR CAMPAIGNS TO RUN FOR CONGRESS.

AND IN THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN WOOD ISLAND, IT IS A TARGETED CAMPAIGN.

YOU HAVE TO BUY THE VOTERS THAT WILL GET OUT TO VOTE AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR SABINA, THEY DON'’T HAVE A GOOD VOTER TURNOUT AND ARE THEY GOING TO TURN OUT IN A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR CONGRESSIONAL SEAT IS THE QUESTION.

JIM: IN AUGUST.

BILLY: IS IT THE FIRST DISTRICT, SECOND DISTRICT, YOU SEE THE CAMPAIGN CAN -- CAMPAIGN COMMERCIALS.

JIM: SHE LIVES IN THE SECOND DISTRICT.

PROF. SCHILLER: BARELY.

JIM: LIKE SETH MAGAZINER, YOU CAN SPIT -- PROF. SCHILLER: RIGHT.

BILLY: THE CHANGES TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT A RUN OF THE DISTRICT -- JIM: DOES THAT MATTER?

PROF. SCHILLER: IF IT'’S TOO SMALL I STATED THOUSAND.

BILLY: IT WOULD BE IRONIC IF WE HAVE SETH MAGAZINER LIVING IN THE FIRST DISTRICT AND THEN SOMEONE FROM THE SECOND DISTRICT REPRESENT THE FIRST DISTRICT.

JIM: ARE WE PAROCHIAL IN THE EAST BY?

WE ARE LIKE THAT GUY IS FROM WARWICK, RIGHT?

BILLY: IT CERTAINLY IS.

JOE HAS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING AN ORGANIZATION AND ESSENTIALLY -- PROF. SCHILLER: SO DOES SABINA PATHOS.

WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION, RHODE ISLANDERS KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY.

WHERE WAS THE MONEY BY YOU THAT YOU DID NOT GET QUESTION MARK WE JUST VOTED FOR PEOPLE.

PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE CANDIDATES.

BILLY: BUT ALL THESE CANDIDATES ELECTED ALSO KNOW WHO THEIR SUPERSTAR VOTERS ARE THAT WILL, AND VOTE IN A SPECIAL ELECTION AND IF JOSEPH ARCHIE -- JOE COULD GET PEOPLE IN THE FIRST CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO BE.

PROF. SCHILLER: WHERE ARE THEY IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT?

THAT'’S WHAT I MEAN, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE, THEY GET OUT TO VOTE CORE?

I THINK THE MESSAGE OF EMPOWERING WOMEN AND WE ASSERTING -- REASSERTING LATIN PARTICIPATION IN THE STATE AT THIS LEVEL, I THING THOSE ARE POWERFUL MESSAGES THAT SHOULD NOT BE UNDERESTIMATED.

JIM: FINAL WORDS?

DAVE: I THINK IF HE DECIDES TO RUN, HE HAS A HUGE LEAD OVER SOME OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE HELENA FOLKS.

WE HAVE NOT MENTIONED HER.

SHE IS LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL.

JIM: AND IS KNOWN, SHE SPENT MILLIONS TO GET KNOWN.

DAVE: I WOULD HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR HER AS I DID FOR JOE, WHY WOULD YOU AS A FORMER CEO OF THE LARGEST HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO -- PROF. SCHLLER: BECAUSE SHE IS NOT THAT ANYMORE AND DOESN'’T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO.

[LAUGHTER] .

JIM: YOU JUST SAID THE QUIET PART OUT LOUD.

PROF. SCHILLER: I'’M SORRY.

WHAT IS SHE GIVING UP TO DO?

SHE'’S NOT GIVING UP ANYTHING TO DO IT.

DAVE: BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'’VE GONE FROM THIS HEADY POSITION THAT SHE NO LONGER HAS AND HE WILL BE A MINION.

JIM: BUT IF YOU ARE WIRED TO BA -- AN EXECUTIVE, CAN YOU BE REWIRED?

DAVE: IT'’S VERY DIFFERENT, IT'’S LIKE SAYING COULD AN ELECTRICIAN BE SOMETHING ELSE, IF THEY PREFER TO BE AN ELECTRICIAN AND ARE WIRED SO TO SPEAK TO BE AN ELECTRICIAN, THEY MAY NOT SUITABLE TO BE A PLUMBER OR TALKSHOW HOST OR WHATEVER.

I THING THERE'’S A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE AND IF I WERE ANYONE OF THESE PEOPLE I WOULD SAY YOU GET ELECTED, NOW WHAT?

PROF. SCHILLER: BECAUSE YOU SET YOURSELF UP TO RUN FOR SENATE I THINK SOMEDAY.

SHELDON WHITEHOUSE IS RUNNING ON A 2024, RUMORS THAT FOLKS WILL CHALLENGE HIM IN THE PRIMARY.

I THINK HE IS FAIRLY SAFE ESTABLISHING THIS IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

JACK REED, LIKE MANY OF OUR LONG SERVING SENATORS, I THINK JACK REED HAS DONE A TRIM AND DISMOUNT FOR THE STATE AS WHITE HOUSE DONE TOO BUT I THINK JACK REED HAS A POSITION THAT IS QUITE SOLID SO I THINK HE WALKS OUT THE DOOR WHEN HE WANTS TO WALK OUT THE DOOR SO IF YOU RUN FOR OFFICE AND WHEN EVEN IN THE MINORITY, YOU HAVE A STRONGER PLATFORM AS YOU ARE SUGGESTING TO RUN FOR SENATE SOMETIME.

I THINK CICILLINE'’S DECISION EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT HIS DECISION, HE VISITED THE TAMAN INSTITUTE AND SAID I HAVE A CHANCE TO DO A LOT OF GOOD, SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE WORKING ON BEHALF OF RHODE ISLANDERS AND I GET TO DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND I'’M EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I THINK HE MAY HAVE ALSO NOT HAVE SEEN A PATH TO THE SENATE OR ANYTHING AND DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN THE LEADERSHIP IN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

JIM: THE ONE THING JOE SHEKARCHI RULED OUT LAST WEEK AS WE WERE BEGINNING TO TAPE, WAS A WHOLE PACKAGE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THIS HAS BEEN RIGHT IN HIS WHEELHOUSE, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO DO IT.

BILLY, THE THING WE'’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS EXECUTION.

THEY ARE BACKING OFF A LITTLE ON THE ZONING REGULATION, THEY ARE TRYING TO PUSH MAKING IT ATTRACTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND CLEARLY IF THE RATES ARE GOING TO COME DOWN, YOU NEED MORE HOUSING STOCK SO HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THAT DONE?

BILLY: THAT'’S THE BIG QUESTION BECAUSE, REALISTICALLY, THE IDEA AFFORD A HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN ISSUE IN THE STATE IS A QUESTION OF WHAT YOU DO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS.

pTHERE ARE FUNNY OF APARTMENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN RENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY MEET SECTION A GUIDELINES OR THE STTES REQUIREMENT OF ONE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DOES NOT NECESSARILY ADD TO A COMMUNITY HOUSING STOCK.

WE ARE DEALING WITH A SITUATION IN WARREN, TWO RECENT SITUATIONS WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE ABLE TO COME IN BASED ON THE ROADMAP LEGISLATION AND GO AHEAD AND BASICALLY SHOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS DOWN -- SHOVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS DOWN THE FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD BECAUSE WE ARE COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT MEET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GUIDELINES, ALL THE ZONING REGULATIONS, IT IS GOOD TO START REPEALING THEM BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE STARTER HOME ANYMORE BUILT.

THE ECONOMICS OF HOME BUILDING NOW IS TO GO TOWARD THE BIG MANSIONS, THREE TO FOUR BEDROOM HOUSES, DO A LOT TO ZONING REGULATIONS, LOT SIZES, PERMITTING, SEPTIC TANKS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THE FACT HOUSES ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE AND THAT LEAVES A GAP IN THE MARKETPLACE FOR NEW HOMEBUYERS, PEOPLE LOOKING TO BUY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I DO NOT NECESSARILY THINK GETTING ESTATE MORE INVOLVED IS GOING TO FIX THE SOLUTION IN TERMS OF CREATING MORE INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS BECAUSE, AS WE HAVE SEEN IN A TOWN LIKE WARREN WHICH IS VERY PROGRESSIVE AND OPEN TO HAVING PEOPLE COME IN AND FOR ALL SORTS OF ISSUES INCLUDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY WERE THE FIRST TO STEP UP AND SAY WE DO NOT WANT THIS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT FIT THE AREA.

HOST: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN -- PROF. SCHILLER: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

HOW IS THAT THE "NOT IN MY BACKYARD" NIMBY?

PROF. SCHILLER: THEY'’RE DEMOLISHING -- BILLY: THEY'’RE DEMOLISHING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BUILD IT.

PROF. SCHILLER: WHILE THE WORLD MOVES ON.

IF IT IS AN HISTORICAL, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY BUT THIS IDEA TO RESERVE HOUSES THAT ARE 300 YEARS OLD AND NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE THE SAFE, CLEAN PLACE TO RENT AND LIVE AND WORK IN RHODE ISLAND DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME IN THE 21ST CENTURY.

BILLY: YOU ARE SENT DEVISING BUILDING OWNERS TO GO INTO THESE AREAS WHERE THEY DON'’T NECESSARILY FIT THE COMMUNITY.

THESE TWO PROGRAMS THAT HAPPENED AND WARREN WERE BOTH DESIGNATED TO BE BUILT IN FLOOD ZONES.

THE BIG ISSUE PEOPLE HAVE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM IS THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE THEY ARE MORE VULNERABLE TO SEALEVEL RISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WHY WE CREATING INCENTIVES WHERE DEVELOPERS CAN GO INTO IT AND PUT THEM IN -- PROF. SCHILLER: ARE THEY HOUSES OR APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE TALL IN THE FLOODPLAIN?

I'’M ASKING SINCE SERIOUSLY.

IF IT'’S APARTMENT BUILDINGS, I'’M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUE.

BILLY: IT'’S A COMBINATION.

PROF. SCHILLER: SO THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS?

JIM: THIS IS A MICROCOSM OF THE PROBLEM -- NOT THE PROBLEM BUT THE DISCUSSION.

PROF. SCHILLER: YOU CANNOT HAVE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE STATE AND RHODE ISLAND FACES THIS IF PEOPLE SAY DON'’T DEVELOP HERE, DON'’T DEVELOP EAR, DON'’T PUT APARTMENTS HERE, HOW DO YOU ASPECT TO GET WORKERS, BUSINESS CAN COME THROUGH HERE IF NO WORKERS, WORKERS CAN'’T LIVE HERE IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT.

WE KNOW OUR NORTHERN NEIGHBOR, MASSACHUSETTS, IS EXTENSIVE.

BILLY: THERE IS HOUSING AVAILABLE, AFFORD WILL HOUSING, IT JUST NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS.

JIM: THE 10% WAS SO ARBITRARY WHEN THEY SAID THAT.

I THINK LESS THAN A DOZEN MEET THE SEVEN TO 10 PERCENT.

DAVE, YOU JUMP IN.

DAVE: I GUESS MY FEELING IS WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THIS BUT RHODE ISLAND IS THE SECOND MOST DENSELY POPULATED STATE IN THE COUNTRY, SECOND ONLY TO NEW JERSEY.

WHEN YOU FLY IN OVER RHODE ISLAND -- JIM: EXIT HER LOOKS WIDE OPEN.

[LAUGHTER] DAVE:DAVE: BETWEEN THE OCEAN, EXITER AND OTHER COUNTIES, YOU SAY HOW COULD THIS BE DENSE?

BUT THAT IS STILL THE CASE AND BECAUSE PRICES HERE HAVE GONE ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH, AND I KNOW THAT IS A PROPER -- AS A PROPERTY OWNER AND SOMEBODY THAT HAD A RENTAL UNIT, THE PRICES ARE SKY HIGH.

TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE WORKERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM THROUGH THE ECONOMICS OF THE STATE, A PROBLEM -- SOCIAL PROBLEM FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO WORK AND LIVE HERE AND STAY HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOCKED ME WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THESE PROPOSALS IS I HAD NO IDEA THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHARGING APPLICATION FEES IN ORDER TO APPLY TO HAVE A RESIDENCY IN AN APARTMENT.

JIM: GO TO NEW YORK CITY, 600 DOLLARS TO APPLY.

IT IS A SMALLER SCALE HERE AND YOU MIGHT NOT GET THE APARTMENT BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY THE FEE.

DAVE: ONE EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE RELATIVELY POOR PAID $5,000 OVER A PERIOD OF TIME -- JIM: BECAUSE THEY KEPT GETTING REJECTED.

THEY WOULD APPLY AGAIN.

I THINK THESE APPLICATIONS SHOULD NOT -- SHOULD NOT EITHER HAVE ANY ATTACHMENT OF MONEY OR THEY OUGHT TO BE AT LEAST REASONABLE.

IT IS CHEAPER TO APPLY TO A COLLEGE JIM:.

IT IS.

PROF. SCHILLER: EVERY COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY INCLUDNG DENVER, COLORADO HAS A HUGE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PANDEMIC MOVED TO DENVER AND PEOPLE BUY PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANT SCHOOLS, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WANT TO STAY THE SAME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY BOUGHT INTO.

I GET THAT.

AT THE WORLD CHANGES AND IF WE WANT TO STAY COMPETITIVE WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE BETTER AND MORE USE OF THE LAND WE HAVE.

JIM: LET'’S STAY WITH YOU, OUTRAGE OR KUDO?

PROF. SCHILLER: MY OUTRAGE, I WILL GET PARTISAN AND I DON'’T ALWAYS GET PARTISAN BUT I WILL TODAY.

JIM: YOU WILL WARM DAVE UP BECAUSE HE WILL BE PARTISAN TOO [LAUGHTER] .

DAVE: [LAUGHTER] PROF. SCHILLER: I THINK THE PARTY THAT CLAIMS TO CARE ABOUT INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND RIGHTS SEEMS TO WANT TO TELL PARENTS HOW TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN, TELL PARENTS WHAT THEIR CHILDREN CAN SEE, TENNESSEE JUST BANNED PARTICULAR DRAG SHOWS IN PARTICULAR AREAS WHERE CHILDREN MIGHT BE EXPOSED.

IF YOU ARE THE PARTY OF THE FAMILY -- JIM: YOU'’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LIBERTARIANS ARE YOU?

PROF. SCHILLER: THEY SAY THEY ARE THE PARTY OF THE PARENTAL CONTROL HOWEVER WE WILL DETERMINE AN ARKANSAS YOUR CHILD CAN WORK AT 14 WITHOUT EVEN GETTING PARENTAL PERMISSION OR 16, ALL THESE THINGS THAT LEAVE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN UNDER THE CONTROL OF WHAT THE GOP THINKS PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN IN FLORIDA, WHAT THEY SEE IN TENNESSEE, AND WHAT AGE THEY SHOULD WORK.

I THINK IT IS HYPOCRITICAL.

DAVE: FOX NEWS HAS BEEN UNMASKED THANKS TO THIS DOMINION LAWSUIT AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN ACCESS, AS MOST OF US KNOW BY NOW, HAVE GOTTEN ACCESS TO THE INTERNAL EMAILS OF THE FOX NEWS COMMENTATORS LIKE LAURA INGRAHAM, SEAN HANNITY, TUCKER CARLSEN.

WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED HERE WITH THESE EMAILS IS THEY WERE SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP'’S LIES THROUGHOUT HIS CANDIDACY, THROUGHOUT HIS PRESIDENCY, ESPECIALLY SINCE HIS PRESIDENCY, THAT THE ELECTION WAS A FRAUD, THAT HE ACTUALLY WON.

AND THESE FOX NEWS PERSONALITIES NEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WAS NOT TRUE.

HE WAS LYING.

THEY HAVE SUPPORTED HIS LIES LONG BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE BUT ESPECIALLY SINCE HE LEFT OFFICE.

NOW WE KNOW THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FAKES, LIARS, THEY WERE CONSORTING WITH DONALD TRUMP, I THINK SEAN HANNITY WAS EVEN GIVING TRUMP ELECTION ADVICE WHILE HE IS ON THE AIR, THE WHOLE THING IS JUST SO AWFUL.

JIM: AND THAT MIGHT MEET THE STANDARD.

IT'’S A HIGH BAR AND THEY SAY FIRST AMENDMENT IN TERMS OF MALICE FOR A LIBEL SUIT.

DAVE: I WILL PUT THE LIBEL SUIT ASIDE.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AS JOURNALISTS AND ARE NOT AND THEY HAVE BEEN LYING IN PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN UNMASKED AND NOW PEOPLE WHO WATCH FOX NEWS, NOW YOU KNOW SOME TRUTH AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO WATCH FOX NEWS, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

JIM: THE SAD PART IS THEY ARE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA MAKING IT ALL OUT.

YOU HAVE THE LAST MINUTE AND I'’M SORRY DAVE SHORTED YOU.

BILLY: THAT'’S OK. EISAI NEWSPAPERS DID A GREAT WEEK ABOUT THE CHRONIC ABSENTEEISM IN RHODE ISLAND.

THE DATA IS IN -- DATA IS IN FROM THE 20-21 STUDENT YEAR AND HALF THE STUDENTS IN SEVERAL SCHOOLS WERE CONSIDERED CHRONICALLY ABSENT AND THAT IS 69% OF ALL ROBIN'’S IS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

THE REAL ISSUE IS IF YOU TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID TWICE, JUST THE PROTOCOLS WOULD MAKE YOU CHRONICALLY ABSENT, IF YOU ARE EXPOSED TO COVID THREE TIMES, JUST THE PROTOCOLS OF STAYING AT SCHOOL, NOT TO MENTION IF YOU HAD A HEAD COLD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS GOING TO SHOW AND BEAT THE DRUM THAT THE CURE WAS WAY WORSE THAN DISEASE FOR COVID AND KEEPING THE KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL IS CREATING AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE GOING FORWARD.

JIM: THANK YOU.

IT'’S A QUICK HALF-HOUR AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

DAVE AND WENDY, BILLY, GET THE SEO.

EVERY WEEK WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW AND TO KEEP UP IS THAT ALL WE HOPE YOU COME BACK YOUR NEXT WEEK AS A LIVELY EXPERIMENT CONTINUES.

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