JIM: COMING UP ON THIS WEEK’S "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT," THE HOUSING CRISIS INTENSIFIES.

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO EXTEND THE STOCK.

WHAT ROLE WILL VOTERS PLAY IN THIS YEAR’S ELECTION?

[CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CARDI'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES] >> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.

JIM: JOINING US WITH THEIR INSETS, NANCY LAVIN.

BILL BARTHOLOMEW, FOUNDER OF THE BARTHOLOMEW TOM PODCAST AND CONTRIBUTOR RAYMOND BACCARI.

THANK YOU FOR SPENDING YOUR BIG WITH US.

A -- CHANNEL 12 HIGHLIGHTED MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND HOUSING AT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT THEY ALREADY KNOW, IT IS ROUGH.

DESPITE THESE DATA DEDICATING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THE SITUATION IS NOT -- THE STATE DEDICATING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THE SITUATION IS NOT GETTING BETTER.

THAT IS A GRIM ASSESSMENT.

THE CHANNEL 12 PIECE WAS GREAT.

BILL, YOU HAVE BEEN ALL OVER HOUSING FOR A LONG TIME.

BILL: MY THOUGHTS ARE, I AGREE THE CHANNEL 12 WORK IS EXCELLENT.

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT CHALLENGES HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING IN RHODE ISLAND THAT IT IS ALMOST LIKE PLAYING WORKABLE.

-- WHACK A MOLE.

THE CHARGES ARE DETERMINATE WITH THE CHALLENGES ARE AND HAVING A STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THEM.

IT IS GOING TO BE A 10 YEAR PLAN.

THE BIGGEST AREA IS AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL, THE ZONING LEVEL.

IT IS NOT JUST RURAL COMMUNITIES SAYING WE WANT TO BUILD SKYSCRAPERS IN RICHMOND.

IT IS ALSO THE URBAN CORE.

THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR ADAPTIVE REUSE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT IN THE MEDIA TIMELINE WE NEED TO START IMPLEMENTING.

NANCY: ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES WITH HOUSING IS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WAS THE BEST FINANCIAL TOOL OR INCENTIVE TO PAY FOR IT.

HOUSING SECRETARY BREYER HAS ASKED FOR AND THE GOVERNOR HAS INCLUDED A $100 MILLION BORROWING TO STIMULATE NEW HOUSING BUT THE ESTIMATE ON HOW MANY NEW UNITS THAT IS GOING TO GENERATE IS LIKE 800 WHICH IS LOW.

WE ALREADY KNOW THE HOUSE AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON IS SEVERAL YEARS OUT IN THE PIPELINE OF ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

IT DOES NOT SEEM THERE IS A GOOD OR CLEAR WAY TO SUBSIDIZE OR INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DENSE HOUSING, CREATIVE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT IS GOOD BANG FOR OUR BUCK BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO QUICKLY.

JIM: QUICKL IS A RELATIVE TERM.

RAYMOND: THERE IS THE ZONING ISSUE.

WHEN I WAS READING THE STORIES BY WPRI, THE BUILDING PERMITS WENT FROM 7000 IN THE 1980’S TO US THAN 1200 IN 2023.

NOW THERE IS A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY.

THE SPEAKER IS RELEASING LEGISLATION AND THERE WERE BILLS PASSED LAST SESSION.

THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BUILT AS TO THE HOUSE.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE PRIORITIES WITHIN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

REPRESENTATIVE NEWBERRY HAS A BILL HE INTRODUCED THAT IS GOING TO AUTHORIZE A CONVEYANCE TAX TO DETER BIG CORPORATIONS FROM BUYING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE OF HOUSING, IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR MY GENERATION TO AFFORD A HOME.

JIM: THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES, YOU DID A PIECE IN NEWPORT WHERE AIRBNB SET IN.

THAT IS WHAT NEWBERRY TALKED ABOUT, MAKING SURE THIS DOESN’T GO INTO SHORT-TERM RENTAL, LONG-TERM HOUSING.

BILL: THAT IS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.

JIM: IT IS FUNNY IT IS A REPUBLICAN, YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE HANDS-OFF IN GOVERNMENT.

BILL: IT IS GOING TO A POINT WHERE IT IS RUNAWAY CAPITALISM.

WE HAVE SITUATIONS IN NEWPORT WHERE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO OWN 40 OR 50 BUILDINGS AND THEY HAVE BECOME MICRO-HOTELS.

NOT ONLY DOES THIS TAKE AWAY HOUSING STOCK, THIS TRANSFORMS THE SERIOUS ONCE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

-- THOSE AREAS ONCE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AS WE HIGHLIGHTED ON RHODE ISLAND PBS WEEKLY A FEW YEARS AGO AND AS I HAVE REENGAGED WITH ON BARTHOLOMEWTOWN, THIS IS A PROBLEM THE MUNICIPAL REGULATION IS WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE RESOLVED.

THERE IS NOT AN APPETITE FOR ENFORCEMENT.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

WE WILL DO IT IF WE GET A FINE OR SOMETHING.

WE ARE STILL MAKING A TON OF MONEY OFF OF OUR AIRBNB SO IT IS WORTH THE RISK.

THAT IS A PROBLEM.

JIM: COULDN’T WE SEE THE MUNICIPAL PUSHBACK BECAUSE THE SPEAKER PUT THROUGH BILLS LAST YEAR.

THERE ARE SOME TOWNS TRYING TO DO WORKAROUNDS AND THE SPEAKER SAID IT IS STATE LAW BUT THEY’RE GETTING CREATIVE SAYING WE DON’T LIKE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

NANCY: THERE WAS DEFINITELY PUSHBACK AND THE PUSHBACK IS WHY THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT SPILLED WHICH WAS THE ONE FROM THE SPEAKER’S HOUSING PACKAGE.

BILL: THAT WAS ON THE SENATE SIDE.

NANCY: THE PUSHBACK WAS FROM THE CITIES AND TOWNS SAYING THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED, WE DON’T LIKE THIS.

THERE IS A BONA FIDE ARGUMENT IN SOME OF THOSE CITIES AND TOWNS.

I COVERED A STORY ABOUT AN OYSTER FARM.

TIMBERED AND HAS NOT HAD A PERMANENT TOWN PLANNER MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

A LOT OF THESE SMALL TOWNS OR CITIES DON’T HAVE THE STAFF TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS THERE TO NEW LAWS THAT RELATE TO PERMITTING AND REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT.

THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THE STAFFING, ADMINISTRATIVE COST.

THERE IS NOT A TON OF GUIDANCE.

IT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH SOLAR FARMS WHERE ONE GUY IN ONE TOWN WHEN I DID AN INTERVIEW SAID WE GOT CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.

NO ONE WAS PREPARED FOR THIS AND THIS SOLAR FARMS CAME IN AND OF THE CITIES AND TOWN PLANNERS DID NOT HAVE REGULATION.

NOW THEY ARE BEING TOLD THESE ARE THE STATE LAWS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW BUT THEY DON’T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE STEP-BY-STEP WILL LOOK AT HOW TO DO IT.

JIM: IT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON 35 YEARS AGO IN SOUTH COUNTY.

I DID A BIG PIECE WHEN I WAS WITH THE JOURNAL.

IN SOUTH COUNTY, THEY DID NOT HAVE THE ZONING LAWS.

ALL DAY LONG ISLAND WERE COMING IN.

THE HORSE WAS OUT OF THE BARN.

NOW WE SHOULD PASS ZONING LAWS BECAUSE THEY PUTTING UP THESE HUGE MONSTROSITIES.

IT WAS A WAKE-UP CALL.

HERE IT IS.

RAYMOND: BUILDING HOUSING TO MEET DEMAND, RENTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL.

THERE IS ADVOCACY TO IMPLEMENT RENT CONTROL.

THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ISSUE THAT COULD BE WORTH A PANEL.

JIM: TO BE CONTINUED.

RIPPED UP CONTINUES TO BE -- RIPTA CONTINUES TO BE A DISCUSSION.

THERE’S DISCUSSION OF THE OLD 95 LANE, NOT SURE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THEY ARE FACING TREMENDOUS FINANCIAL STRAIN.

THEY HAVE PLAYED SEMI-THIS YEAR.

FOR THE LONG TERM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THIS.

RIDERSHIP IS DOWN SO THEY ARE CUTTING ROUTES.

IS LIKE A DEATH SPIRAL.

NANCY: MY PERCEPTION OF THE CUTS IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT RIDERSHIP IS DOWN BUT THAT THERE IS A DRIVER SHORTAGE AND NOW THEY HAVE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO PAY MORE.

HOPEFULLY THAT CAN HIRE DRIVERS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THESE EMERGENCY CUTS.

THEY HAVE THIS HUGE BUDGET SHORTFALL SEPARATE FROM THAT.

THEY MAY BE MOVING THAT BUS HUB.

THAT IS GOING TO COME WITH A COST.

WE DON’T KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PICKED A PLACE YET.

THERE WAS A VERY FIVE-MINUTE DOLLARS BORROWING PROPOSAL BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO COVER THE WHOLE THING.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING SO I’M NOT THE FIRST AND I WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS IS TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER A PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCY IS A REVENUE GENERATOR OR A SERVICE.

JIM: A LOSS LEADER.

NANCY: THERE ARE CONFLICTING VIEWPOINTS ABOUT THAT AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE PEOPLE ARE BUTTING HEADS, WHETHER RIPTA SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ITSELF OR HELPED OUT BY OUR GOVERNENT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS DOING IS A SERVICE AND NOT A FINANCIAL REVENUE GENERATOR.

BILL: IF YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE BREAKDOWN AT RIPTA, IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF TOTAL REVENUE THAT COMES FROM WRITER FAIR -- RIDER FAIR.

IT IS A GRANT BASED OR FEDERAL LOSS LEADER AND I WOULD AGREE THE DRIVER SHORTAGE IS A KEY FACTOR IN TERMS OF SHORTENING OR REDUCING SERVICES.

GO TO HEAVEN ITSELF A QUESTION, DOES THE STATE WANT TO BECOME A MULTIMODAL TRANSIT ARENA?

IF THE STATE WANTS TO, IT’S NOT ONLY REQUIRES EXPANSION OF RIPTA OR REVISION OF RIPTA AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED, IT IS ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE SOME LIGHT RAIL, MORE ACCESS FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS.

THESE ARE ALL LONG-TERM STRATEGIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OF LIMITED.

IT IS NOT SIMPLY GOOD TO BE RIPTA RUNS FROM BURRILLVILLE TO PROVIDENCE AND NOW EVERYONE WHO WORKS IN PROVIDENCE IS GOING TO TAKE THE BUS.

THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU HAVE TO MEET THE MOMENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED THAT SERVICE.

JIM: CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD LIGHT RAIL FROM THE EAST BAY?

TRAINS WOULD BE PACKED.

RAYMOND: ON THE TOPICS OF RIPTA ’S FINANCIAL ISSUES, I SAW A STATE REP FROM PAWTUCKET IS INTRODUCING A REPARATIONS BILL TO ASK $70 MILLION TO BE ALLOCATED.

PERHAPS THAT COULD HELP.

JIM: THERE IS THIS STRUGGLE AT THE TOP, YOU HAVE PETER ALBINI WHO HAS COME IN.

THE BIKE PEOPLE DON’T LIKE HIM AND THE TRANSIT PEOPLE BECAUSE HE IS LIKE LET’S FIX THE BRIDGES.

HE IS ALIGNED WITH SENATE PRESIDENT JULIO.

YOU HAVE STRIFE -- ALIGNED WITH THE SENATE PRESIDENT.

YOU HAVE STRIFE.

NANCY: THE RIPTA TENSION BUBBLED OVER WITH THE BUS HUB BECAUSE THREE YEARS AGO, RIDEOUT WAS IN CHARGE OF RELOCATING THE BUS HUB.

THEY HAD THIS MULTI-HUB THEY WANTED TO DO AND EVERYONE HATED IT.

THEY DID NOT LIKE THE WAY MEETINGS WERE HELD, THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY.

AT THE TIME OF THAT PLAN WAS SCRAPPED AND THE SEARCH FOR A NEW ALTERNATIVE WHICH HAS YIELDED SEVERAL ITERATIONS BEGAN , THE PROPOSAL WAS SHIFTED FROM RIDEOUT TO RIPTA.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT WAS MADE THE CHAIR OF THE RIPTA BOARD.

DEFINITELY FOR RIDERS AND COMMUNITY GROUPS, THERE IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION IN THE MATTER SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF THESE PROJECTS.

THERE IS SOME TENSION.

JIM: THAT TENSION BOILS OVER INTO THE MEETINGS.

THE WASHINGTON BRIDGE, THE SAGA CONTINUES.

WE HAVE HAD NEW NEWS EVERY WEEK.

IT IS CLEAR WE ARE GOING TO NEED A NEW BRIDGE.

IT SEEMS LIKE A GOVERNOR MCKEE TIP HIS HAND IN A MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT NEXT TO IT HIS HAND -- TIPPED HIS HAND IN MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT.

IT IS RHODE ISLAND, IT IS GOING TO TAKE IT FIVE YEARS TO CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

RAYMOND: YOU TWEETED OUT, I SAW GOVERNOR MCKEE TOLD PRESIDENT BIDEN WE ARE GOING TO NEED A BRIDGE WHICH WAS A BIG SURPRISE.

AT THIS POINT, WE STILL DON’T TECHNICALLY KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED.

STICKING WITH THE THEME OF TALKING ABOUT BILLS AND LEGISLATION, HOUSE MAJORITY WHIP IS INTRODUCING A BILL THAT WILL REQUIRE MONTHLY REPORTS ON THE STATUS OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND ON THE SENATE SIDE, IT IS THAT AL LAWSON INTRODUCING A BILL OF A SIMILAR NATURE.

FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON THIS STORY.

JIM: THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD YOU ON SINCE -- I KNOW YOU LIVE IN PROVIDENCE BUT I AM SURE THERE IS BACK-AND-FORTH.

HOW HAS THIS BEEN HANDLED?

RAYMOND: I HAVE NOT HAD TO GO TO EAST PROVIDENCE.

JIM: HAVE YOU NOT CAUSED -- CROSSED THE BRIDGE?

RAYMOND: I LUCKED OUT.

JIM: WE SHOULD HAVE NOT ASKED YOU TO BE A PANELIST.

WE HAVE TO GET SOMEONE FROM THE EAST BAY.

RAYMOND: ONE TIME I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE BEST BUY AND I WAS LIKE I WILL GO TO WORK.

JIM: [LAUGHTER] THE RIPPLE EFFECT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO GO.

BILL: YOU’RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME THAT A BRIDGE SUPPOSEDLY INSPECTED AND PASSED INSPECTION IN JULY SOMEHOW IN DECEMBER OF THAT SAME CALENDAR YEAR HAS COME FROM TOTALLY FINE TO ON THE VERGE OF DEMOLITION.

NO CHANCE, NO REAL WORLD SCENARIO DOES THAT TAKE PLACE.

ASK ANY ENGINEER, AN INSPECTOR, ANY LAYPERSON.

NOT A CANDID MOMENT.

NOW IT IS BECOMING A REALITY.

WE KNOW THROUGH REPORTING THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE EXPERTS ON THE BRIDGE ARE PRETTY DIRE.

THE QUESTION NOW IS HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THIS PROBLEM IN TERMS OF THE PIERS IN THE WATER, IN TERMS OF THE POST TENSIONING SYSTEM ON THE BRIDGE AND WHAT OTHER PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS THE WAY THIS ONE DID.

THIS IS A FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT, A MAJOR HEADACHE.

TO BE HONEST, IT HAS BEEN HANDLED POORLY IN TERMS OF HIS PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC.

JIM: THE PIERS -- SALT KILLS EVERYTHING.

QUITE CLOSELY ONCE YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT?

I AM NOT AN ENGINEER, IT SEEMS ODD THOSE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.

BILL: WITH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, THE WORK BEING PERFORMED ON THE BRIDGE RIGHT NOW AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS BASICALLY TO ASSESS THE HEALTH OF THE ENTIRE ARRAY OF BRIDGES THAT CONSTITUTE THE WASHINGTON BRIDGE.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE THAT BRIDGES COMING DOWN.

I DON’T KNOW WHY THEY WANT COME OUT AND SAY IT, THIS TRICKLE UP EFFECT HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING.

IT CREATES A LEVEL OF MISTRUST BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE GOVERNMENT THAT DOESN’T NEED TO BE THERE.

NANCY: I THINK YOU ARE SAYING THAT THIS TRUST AMONG LAWMAKERS.

THE FACT THAT LAWMAKERS ARE INTRODUCING A BILL BASICALLY TRYING TO REQUIRE RIDEOUT -- RID OT TO GIVE THEM MONTHLY UPDATES I THINK SPEAKS TO THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION, THE PERCEPTION THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE FULL STORY.

WITH EVERY SORT OF NEW BIT OF INFORMATION, THERE IS ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF REWRITING WHAT THE STORY WAS BEFORE.

ALONG -- AMONG ONE ACRES AT THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY, ALLIES, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF TENSION AND YOU’RE TURNING TO SEE THE CRACKS NOT JUST IN THE BRIDGE.

JIM: IT IS NOT DIRECTLY ANALOGOUS BUT IT REMINDED ME OF WHEN PATRICIA MORGAN WAS TRYING TO GET PUBLIC RECORDS AND THEY WANTED TO CHARGE HER LIKE $4500.

YOU ARE A CITY LEGISLATOR, SHOULDN’T THERE BE COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH?

EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE IS WE ARE GOING TO GET A BRIDGE THAT SOLVES THIS.

DOES ANYBODY EVER GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

THAT IS THE OVERRIDING QUESTION.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?

NANCY: I DON’T THINK YOU CAN SAY ONE PERSON IS RESPONSIBLE.

IT IS A SERIES OF AT BEST MISSED SCIENCE, AT WORST FLAGRANT NEGLIGENCE.

I THINK PETER RVD -- PETER AS THE FACE OF RIDOT IS GOING TO FACE SOME CONSEQUENCES, WHETHER THAT IS LOSING HIS JOB OR IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION.

BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND HIS UPPER STADIUM, DAN MCKEE IS UNDER A LOT OF SCRUTINY RIGHT NOW.

HE IS THE TOP GUY AT THE TOP GUY TAKES THE FALL HOWEVER MUCH HE KNEW WHAT DID NO.

-- HOW MUCH HE DID OR DIDN’T KNOW.

NOT SHOWING UP TO PRESS CONFERENCES, YELLING AT REPORTERS FOR ASKING QUESTIONS OF WHO SHOULD BE BLAMED, THE WHOLE THING IS NOT HELPING HIS IMAGE.

RAYMOND: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT GET THE DOCUMENTS.

THERE HAD TO BE AN EXTENSION GRANTED.

JIM: I WONDER IF THEY ARE SENDING THEM A BILL FOR $2000.

RAYMOND: AND PAGES OF A REDACTED INFORMATION -- FULLY REDACTED INFORMATION.

TWO THINK THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT GET IT IS INSANE.

JIM: A LOT GOING ON AN INTERNATIONALLY -- NATIONALLY.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE TRUMP-BIDEN 2.0.

AS WE LOOKED WITH THE NEXT ELECTION, RAYMOND, YOU DID YOUR SENIOR PROJECT ABOUT WHERE GEN Z FITS IN.

IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC BECAUSE A LOT OF THE VOTERS WHO CAME OUT FOR BIDEN, MINORITY, YOUNG.

THAT IS CRACKING A LITTLE BIT AND I WONDER ABOUT THE WHOLE PALESTINIAN-ISRAEL ISSUE.

THAT IS A BIG DEAL FOR A SEGMENT THAT HAS BEEN STRONG FOR THE PRESIDENT.

RAYMOND: WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE ARE TEXTING BUT WHERE DO WE THINK THEY’RE GOING TO LEAN WORLD WHERE THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO GO -- OR WHERE THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO GO.

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ALTHOUGH IT IS LIKELY THE TRUMP-BIDEN REMATCH.

I LOOK AT HOW GEN Z LOOKS AT THESE ISSUES AND A LOT OF THE ISSUES ARE ALIGNING WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S VALUES.

THEY GAVE DEMOCRATS A BETTER ELECTION RESULT THAN ANY OF US THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A RED WAVE, IT WASN’T.

MORE GEN Z IS GOING TO BE VOTING AGE IN 2024.

IN MY PROJECT GEN Z, THERE ARE A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE VOTERS OF TOMORROW AND GEN Z FOR CHANGE THAT ARE DOING ADVOCACY AND THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH BIDEN.

I AM A SINGLE GEN ZERS ARE GOING TO BACK BIDEN, YOUNG VOTERS ARE GOING TO TRUMP.

BUT THOSE ARE LAND LAND POLLS AND HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE A LANDLINE?

THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS TO CONSIDER.

RIGHT NOW I WOULD SAY THEY’RE LEANING TOWARDS BIDEN.

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JIM: YOU WONDER IF IT IS GOING TO BE I AM JUST GOING TO SIT THIS OUT AS OPPOSED TO TRUMP OR BIDEN, IDON’T WANT EITHER ONE.

NANCY: AS A MILLENNIAL, I SEE, MY PURE GROUP AND -- I SEE AMONG MY GROUP THERE IS A LACK OF A BUSY HASN’T FOR EITHER CANDIDATE -- A LACK OF ENTHUSIASM FOR EITHER CANDIDATE.

PEOPLE WHO VOTED DEMOCRATIC IN 2022, THERE WERE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES THAT EXCITED THEM.

BIDEN’S STANCE ON ISRAEL AND PALESTINE FOR PROGRESSIVE YOUNGER VOTERS HAS PUT THEM OFF OF HIM.

I AM WORRIED FROM A LOWERCASE D DEMOCRACY STANDPOINT THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SO UNENTHUSIASTIC THAT THEY DON’T VOTE AT ALL OR THEY PUT THIRD-PARTY WHICH IS A CAN TO NOT VOTING.

BILL: I REMEMBER SITTING WITH LOU PULNER A YEAR AGO AND BEMOANING THE FACT THAT WE WERE LIKELY HEADING TOWARD TRUMP-BIDEN.

IT IS DISAPPOINTING.

THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT IS THE CASE.

WE SAW THERE WAS A PROTEST VOTE OF SORTS IN MICHIGAN.

WE DON’T KNOW IF THAT WILL GROW, IF PEOPLE WILL SAY I HAVE GOT TO MAKE A PRAGMATIC CHOICE AND VOTE FOR BIDEN BECAUSE IT IS BETTER THAN TRUMP.

I DON’T KNOW ANYBODY IN GEN Z OR A MILLENNIAL WHO WOULD SAY THEY WOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD COME OUT FOR BIDEN.

JIM: DO YOU GO HOME OR STAY HOME?

BILL: LET ME SAY THIS, MR. PRESIDENT, CEASE FIRE NOW.

CONGRESSMAN,, SENATORS WHITE HOUSE AND READ, CEASE FIRE NOW.

NOT ONLY FOR YOUR POLITICAL CAREER BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN GAZA IS ATROCIOUS.

WHAT TOOK PLACE IN ISRAEL IS HORRIFIC, THE HOSTAGES ARE HORRIFIC.

WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD AS A PLANET WITHOUT A CEASE FIRE.

IT IS ESSENTIAL TO BIDEN’S POLITICAL CAREER.

RAYMOND: ONE FINAL THOUGHT TO WRAP UP GEN Z’S ROLE, I NOTICED ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME EFFORTS TO REACH OUT TO GEN Z FROM REPUBLICANS, IS NOT AS THRIVING COMPARED TO THE DEMOCRATS OR EVEN LEFT VENDING POLITICIANS IN GENERAL.

TIKTOK, ALTHOUGH IT IS CONTROVERSIAL, IS A PLATFORM GEN Z IS ON A LOT.

HE DOES SEE TRUMP ON TIKTOK BUT YOU ARE SEEING THINGS LIKE IN THE RECENT OF -- THE BRANDON CAMPAIGN.

YOU ARE SEEING A LOT OF OTHER POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE OF THIS LEG JEFF JACKSON RUNNING FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL.

SMALL THINGS ARE GOING TO ADD UP, WHETHER IT IS OUTREACHING IN GENERAL, ACKNOWLEDGING ISSUES THEY CARE ABOUT.

IN MY DOCUMENTARY, I HAD QUITE A DIFFERENT NUMBER OF IDEOLOGIES SHOWCASED, THE MAJOR PARTIES AND THE THIRD PARTIES LIKE LIBERTARIANS.

FOR THE REPUBLICANS, THEY DID NOT SAY THESE ARE THE ISSUES WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON TO APPEAL TO GEN Z OTHER THAN ECONOMICS.

THE SITUATION IN GAZA IS ONE ISSUE.

REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, CLIMATE CHANGE, GUN-CONTROL, THERE ARE ISSUES THE RIGHT IS NOT FOCUSING ON.

JIM: IF YOU LOOK AT OBAMA IN 2012, 8 MILLION TO 10 MILLION PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THAT ELECTION SET OUT IN 2016.

I WAS ONE OF THOSE, FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I NEVER VOTED IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

I COULD NOT STOMACH CLINTON AND I COULD NOT STOMACH TRUMP.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT CLINTON IS GOING TO TAKE IT.

I WONDER IF THAT REPEATS ITSELF, THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT IN 2020 SIT OUT IN 2024.

THIS THING AT ALABAMA, DOES THAT GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT?

NANCY: I THINK IT DOES AND WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE HOW PEOPLE ARE VOTING IN MICHIGAN, IT SHOWS WHATEVER THE LATEST NEWS, THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE GOOD IN TERMS OF MOBILIZING VOTERS BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE CONNECTION -- A GREAT COMMISSION BETWEEN WHO YOU VOTE FOR AND PRESENT YOUR EX -- CONNECTION BETWEEN PEOPLE FOR THAT REASON YOUR EGGS AND FREEZING YOUR EX -- FREEZING ; EGGS.

-- BILL: MORE MONEY IN TOWN, MORE BUSINESSES.

IT IS A DESTINATION FREE PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR PRIVATE PARKING OR PUBLIC PARKING.

THE LAST THING YOU WHAT TO DO IS GO DOWN TO THE BEACH AND BE GLANCING AT YOUR WATCH WORRYING ONE OF THE VOLUNTEER HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE GOING TO TAKE YOU BECAUSE YOU STAYED THREE HOURS AND 10 MINUTES.

SUPPORT -- BROAD PUBLIC POLLING WOULD TELL YOU PEOPLE IN TOWN DO NOT WANT THIS.

JIM: WE HAVE TO PAY FIVE DOLLARS OR SIX DOLLARS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET FREE PARKING.

RAYMOND: I HAVE A KUDO, TRIPLE-TEAM.

-- THE BASKETBALL TEAM.

THAT ADDED ONTO THE TEAM THAT ALREADY HAD GOOD PLAYERS LIKE JONES AND MET VERY.

I AM HOPING THEY GO ALL THE WAY.

LAST YEAR THEY WENT TO THE FINAL FOUR AND THE FIRST GAMBLER STARTED FOR MARCH MADNESS AND THE D3 TOURNAMENT.

TONIGHT THEY FACE ST. JOSEPH’S COLLEGE.

JIM: MEDICINE OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE BILLS, HE KNOWS THE STARTING FIVE TO ASH BARTY FIVE FOR RICK -- THE STARTING FIVE.

NANCY: IT IS VERY EASY AS A REPORTER TO USE THE PHRASE THE HOUSING CRISIS AND NOT EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS AND THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF IT.

THE CAUSE AND EFFECT ON HOMEOWNERS, THE TRADE INDUSTRY.

KUDOS TO BOTH OF THEM.

JIM: WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS READY TO GO AND HE SAID FOR A VARETY OF REASONS.

STEFEN PRYOR SINGH IS GOING TO BE TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE WE GET IN.

-- SAYING IT IS GOING TO BE TWO TO THREE DAYS BEFORE WE GET IN.

NANCY: WE WOULD NOT GET WHERE WE ARE IF THERE WAS NOT A BOOMING CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.

TO HAVE PEOPLE SAY THAT SO DIRECTLY -- JIM: LESLIE.

-- BLOODILYUNTLY.

THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE THIS WEEK.

IF YOU DON’T CATCH US FRIDAY OR SUNDAY, WE ARE ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA, FACEBOOK, TWITTER.

WE ARCHVE ALL OF OUR SHOWS AT RIPBS.ORG/LIVELY OR PODCAST.

COME BACK NEXT WEEK, WE WILL HAVE A FULL RECAP OF THE WEEK’S ACTIVITIES AND A FULL PANEL AS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" CONTINUES.

WE HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

♪ >> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HI, I’M JOHN HAZEN WHITE, JR. FOR OVER 30 YEARS "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS TO THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS GREAT PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND .

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