>> THIS WEEK ON "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT," THE EVENTS IN MINNESOTA COINCIDE WITH DISCUSSION IN RHODE ISLAND ABOUT POLICING.

AND A PAUSE ON ONE VACCINE.

HOW WILL THAT PLAY ON THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE IN ONE PROGRAM?

>> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENERALLY -- GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> I AM JOHN HAYES AND WHITE AND I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT PROGRAM, RHODE ISLAND PBS.

[CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CARDI'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES] JIM: JOINING US ON THE PANEL, ANGEL TAVERAS, POLITICAL CONTRIBUTORS SCOTT MACKAY, AND FORMER RHODE ISLAND ATTORNEY GENERAL ARLENE VIOLET.

HELLO, EVERYONE, I'M JIM HUMMEL.

WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US.

WITH POLICING ON THE MIND OF EVERYBODY, THE PROVIDENCE MAYOR ANNOUNCED THE CITY IS CONSIDERING ASSEMBLING A CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM FOR MENTAL HEALTH EMERGENCY.

IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THE STUDY THE CITY COMMISSIONED IN THE WAKE OF LAST SUMMER'S PROTESTS HERE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ANGEL, THERE IS A LOT OF DISTANCE TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE, BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION MANY BELIEVE IS LONG OVERDUE.

ANGEL: POLICING IS VERY DIFFICULT WORK, AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE A CHALLENGING JOB.

IN PROVIDENCE, WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE FAMILY SERVICES OF RHODE ISLAND TO RISE WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND WE CAN LOOK TO SEE WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE THE RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY.

THE THING I WOULD FOCUS ON MORE THAN ANYTHING IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN MINNESOTA RIGHT NOW WITH THE TRIAL OF DEREK CHAUVIN, AND I READ IN "THE LOS ANGELES TIMES," THAT THAT OFFICER HAD 17 COMPLAINTS AGAINST HIM, MIGHT NOT HEAR ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE RULES OF EVIDENCE.

YOU HAVE TO HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE THAT IS IMPORTANT.

I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THAT, NOT JUST HERE IN RHODE ISLAND, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK THAT WILL IMPROVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

JIM: ARLENE, I KNOW YOU DEALT WITH THIS IN YOUR ROLE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

WE'VE SEEN THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION WHO HAD BEEN FOR YEARS, THEY OVERLOOKED CRIMES AND IT HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM.

IT IS A BALANCING ACT, ISN'T IT?

MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT GET INTO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASON BUT YOU HAVE THE STEREO TYPICAL BAD APPLES.

ARLENE: BAD APPLES HAVE TO GO, AND FRANKLY, THE CODE WHERE YOU DON'T IN FACT TURN IN BAD COPS HAS GOT TO GO.

RECENTLY NOW, I BELIEVE IN BUFFALO, THEY HAVE A MANDATORY REPORTING RESPONSIBILITY IF A COP SOMETHING ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER IS DOING, YOU'VE GOT TO INTERVENE TO STOP IT.

IN MINNESOTA, WE HAVE GEORGE FLOYD WHO PROBABLY WOULD NOT IF HE WAS FOUND -- WOULD ONLY -- WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A FINE ONLY.

THAT WAS A MISDEMEANOR.

IT FOCUSES ON 10 POLICE OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR UP TO HALF OF THIS STUDY WHICH POINTED OUT THAT THERE WAS THIS AN NORMA'S, DISPROPORTIONATE STOP AND FRISK OF PEOPLE OF COLOR -- ENORMOUS, DISPROPORTIONATE STOP AND FRISK OF PEOPLE OF COLOR.

IT IS MORE THAN TRAINING, IT IS ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON THAT.

JIM: SCOTT?

SCOTT: I DON'T THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON IS AWARE OF HOW MUCH OF THE POLICE TIME THESE DAYS, AND SOMETIMES FIRE FIGHTERS FIRST RESPONDERS, ARE SPENT DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.

I THINK PROVIDENCE HAS A BETTER POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN OTHER URBAN AREAS.

LEADERSHIP IS PRETTY GOOD.

I HAVE TO CREDIT THE MAYOR FOR SOME OF THIS.

THEY SEEM TO HAVE GOOD LEADERSHIP.

IT IS A VERY DIVERSE DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE IN PROVIDENCE, IT IS FAR MORE DIVERSE THAN SAY, THE TEACHERS ARE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE POLICE OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

I THINK BOTH THE MAYOR AND FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME.

ARLENE: ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU.

GREAT LEADERSHIP ALSO, I AGREE WITH YOU, IN PROVIDENCE.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT, THIS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.

I LOVE THAT THEY ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT IT IS COMPLICATED.

ANOTHER TOWN IN RHODE ISLAND, IT WAS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, BUT THE MAN WAS GOING TO KILL PEOPLE AND HIS FAMILY AND KILL HIMSELF, SO IT IS SUCH A SOMETIMES CONFLUENCE OF MANY FACTORS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, MENTAL HEALTH, IS DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT IN REALITY.

JIM: WHAT ABOUT THAT?

THE POLICE WOULD SAY, I HEARD THE UNION PRESIDENT AND WE DON'T WANT A REDUCTION IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, SHIFTING THOSE RESOURCES OVER.

IN PROVIDENCE, THEY ARE DOWN SOME MEN AND WOMEN NOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT?

THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.

MENTAL HEALTH HAS BEEN SUCH A CONSUMING PART OF A LOT OF POLICE WORK.

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WERE THERE?

ANGEL: I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IS OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE TRAINED PROFESSIONALS AND THEY RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE SITUATIONS AND THEY HAVE TO USE DISCRETION.

YOU HOPE AND YOU PRAY THAT THEY USE DISCRETION THE RIGHT WAY.

HAVING A NEW FOCUS SOLELY ON THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE SITUATIONS CAN BE DANGEROUS.

THEY CAN BE.

NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY CAN BE, SO IT IS A QUESTION OF USING DISCRETION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE OFFICER IS PREPARED TO DO THAT.

I AGREE WITH SCOTT.

I THINK THE PROVIDENCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CERTAINLY NOT PERFECT, AN WE'VE SEEN THAT.

THERE IS A TRIAL ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

BUT THEY HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS PROGRESS.

I'M GLAD TO PLAY A SMALL ROLE IN THAT.

I ALSO AGREE WITH SCOTT THAT THE OFFICERS BUILD OF RACE -- BILL OF RIGHTS, THERE IS NO REASON THEY CANNOT BE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE LIKE OTHER UNION WORKERS AND BE HIBEL -- AND HAVE A HEARING.

THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS SOMETHING THAT HAMPERS THE ABILITY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ADMINISTRATORS TO DISCIPLINE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH DUE PROCESS.

TEACHERS AND FIREFIGHTERS HAVE DUE PROCESS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE WORKERS -- UNION WORKERS.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT REPEALED.

JIM: ONE THING I WILL MENTION -- AND THIS IS SAD -- I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWNTOWN IN A WHILE AND I HAD TO GO IN FOR A DENTAL APPOINTMENT LAST WEEK.

I AM DRIVING THROUGH KENNEDY PLAZA AND THERE USED TO BE A LINE OF FOOD TRUCKS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THE OTHER DAY, THERE WAS JUST ONE BOOTH THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF KENNEDY PLAZA.

IT WAS FREE NARCAN WHENEVER YOU NEED IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON' UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLICE SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF THEIR TIME DEALING WITH THESE REAL SOCIETAL TRAGEDIES.

I HOPE THAT WE TRAIN THEM, AND I THINK THAT THE DOMESTICS THEY HAVE TO GO TO, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT IS LIKE A TV SHOW.

"NCIS," OR YOU ARE CHASING ROBBERS.

NO, YOU ARE NOT.

YOU ARE DEALING WITH TOP SOCIETAL ISSUES THAT ARE MUCH MORE WIDESPREAD THAN WHEN SOME OF US OLD FOLKS CORRUPT.

JIM: ARLENE, LET ME ASK YOU, THE OFFICER WHO SHOT THE YOUNG MAN MISTOOK HER TASER FOR A GUN AND THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WAS IT INTENTIONAL?

ATTORNEYS CHARGE HER WITH SECOND-DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER AND PEOPLE SAY, WHY ISN'T IT MURDER?

I'M SURPRISED THE CHARGE CAME THAT QUICKLY, BECAUSE TRYING TO GET A CONVICTION ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS BEEN AN UPHILL BATTLE.

CAN YOU PUT YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL HAT ON?

IT SEEMED VERY FAST AND TO GET AMENDS FLUTTER -- A MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE THIS EARLY.

ARLENE: THAT CERTAINLY IS AN APPROPRIATE CHARGE FOR HER.

THAT IS WHEN THERE HAS BEEN A SO-CALLED ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONVINCED THAT IT WAS ACCIDENTAL AND HER SAYING "TASER, TASER, TASER," SHE COULD HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO SOMEONE ELSE.

I THINK IT IS AN APPROPRIATE CHARGE MINIMALLY, HERE IS SOMEONE THAT IS A TRAINER OF POLICE OFFICERS.

SHE IS RIGHT HERE DOMINANT, THE GUN WAS ON HER RIGHT.

TASER IS ON THE LEFT.

IT IS VERY STRANGE TO ME THAT SHE MADE THAT MAKES UP.

AGAIN, I HAVE TO KEEP ASKING MYSELF THAT IF I HAD A WHITE GRANDSON IN THE CAR WITH ME WHAT HAPPENED, AS OPPOSED TO A BLACK KID, THAT IS THE INHERENT PROBLEM IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND IT HAS GOT TO STOP.

THESE TRAGEDIES HAVE GOT TO STOP.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND I'M GLAD SHE WAS CHARGED.

JIM: -- WAS SWORN IN AS THE NEW LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY OF YOU ON SINCE DAN MONTGOMERY TOOK OVER.

LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF HOW MICKEY HAS DONE SO FAR AND HOUSE A BIT ABOUT THOSE -- CHANGES THE COMPLEXION, LITERALLY, AND FIGURATIVELY, OF NEXT YEAR'S GOVERNMENT RACE.

SCOTT: I THINK MCKEY IS DOING AS WELL AS HE CAN AND HE WILL BE FRANKLY A REAL RHODE ISLANDER WHO HAS GOOD INSTINCTS, AND WE WILL SEE HOW HE CARRIES THEM OUT.

I DO THINK THAT WHAT MATOS IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO IS GO AROUND THE STATE MORE.

PEOPLE KNOW HER IN PROVIDENCE, BUT PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HER WELL AROUND RHODE ISLAND.

SHE NEEDS TO GET OUT IN THE WESTERLIES AND OSAKAS.

THE OTHER THING IS A POLITICAL -- DAN MCKEE IS ONLY A FEW VOTES AWAY FROM WHERE REAGAN WAS, AND HE KNEW THE ONLY WAY HE WAS GOING TO GET TO BE GOVERNOR, HE THOUGHT THIS, IT IF THE -- WENT TO WASHINGTON.

REMOVING NO ONE TO WASHINGTON, SO WHAT HE ASKED TO DO IS GET READY FOR A PRIMARY.

WE SEE SETH MAGAZINER, PERHAPS MAYOR LAURA ZEFF, OTHER PEOPLE LINING UP FOR THIS JOB.

HE HAS GOT TO DO A TWO TRACK KIND OF GOVERNING WHERE HE TAKES ON THIS DATE, DEALS WITH THE LEGISLATURE -- TAKES ON THE STATE, DEALS WITH THE LEGISLATURE, GETS SHOTS IN PEOPLE'S ARMS WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW, FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER, AND HE HAS GOT TO CHECK HIS POLITICAL FLIGHT, GET OUT AND GET READY.

AND RAISE MONEY AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS, AND MAYORTAVARAS KNOWS HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO BE RUNNING AND GOVERNING AT THE SAME TIME, A TIGHT ROPE WALK.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE WATCHING.

JIM: ANGEL, WHAT'S YOUR SCORECARD ON GOVERNOR MCKEE?

ANGEL: WITH RESPECT TO LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK IN THE PAST.

SHE'S A WORKER AND A PUBLIC SERVANT IN THE BEST SENSE OF THE WORD.

SHE'S VERY FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK RHODE ISLANDERS WILL LIKE HER AND SHE WILL WORK VERY HARD.

I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT -- HAVE SEEN THAT ALREADY IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS, AND WELL SEE IT GOING FORWARD.

WITH RESPECT TO THE GOVERNOR, HE IS UNDER A VERY GOOD POSITION.

DON'T UNDERESTIMATE DAN MCKEE.

HE IS A WINNER.

I THINK HE LOST ONE RACE IN CUMBERLAND AND CAME RIGHT BACK AND BEAT THAT OPPONENT, WON A THREE WAY RACE FOR GOVERNOR, A TWO WASTE -- A TWO WAY RACE FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

I THINK THE MORE FOLKS THERE BENEFIT HIM.

HE HAS RAISED ALMOST $300,000 IN THE FIRST QUARTER AND WILL RAISE A LOT MORE THAN THAT GOING FORWARD.

I THINK SCOTT IS RIGHT.

HE WILL BE JUDGED ON HOW QUICKLY WE GET VACCINATED, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, AND I CAN TELL YOU HAVING GOTTEN MY FIRST VACCINATION THAT I WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THE WAY THINGS WERE RUNNING.

I DID IT AT THE CROSSROADS IN CRANSTON.

HE WILL BE JUDGED BY OPENING UP OUR ECONOMY.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY COMING IN FOR MOSHING TO.

THE ROUTE -- WASHINGTON.

THE RHODE ISLAND FOUNDATION HAS COME UP WITH WAYS TO SPEND $1 BILLION, FROM WASHINGTON, SO I THINK THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WILL HELP HIM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T RUN ON THE SAME TICKET, BUT CERTAINLY WILL BE A HELP.

JIM: ANGEL, DO YOU THINK -- MCKEE HAS SAID ALL ALONG IT HAS TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, BUT FOR THEM TO RUN AS A TICKET, SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT?

ANGEL: I DO.

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, THAT IS NOT A SECRET.

SO I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WORKING TOGETHER.

BACK WHEN GOVERNOR -- WAS OUT BECAUSE OF THE STATE -- SNOWSTORM, LIEUTENANT ROBERTS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT.

I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY WILL HAPPEN.

JIM: ARLENE?

ARLENE: I THINK BOB HEALY WAS CORRECT ON THE POSITION.

I DON'T SUBSCRIBE NECESSARILY TO THAT LAST POINT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT DAN MCKEE MADE AN INSPIRED CHOICE, VERY SMART FOR HIM TO PICK A VERY SMART WOMAN.

I'M DELIGHTED THAT SHE IS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, AND POLITICALLY HE IS SMART TO TALK ABOUT BRACKETING AND RUNNING WITH HER.

IT REALLY PUTS A CRIMP -- WHAT IS NELLIE GORBEA GOING TO SAY?

SHE IS CHALLENGING A WOMAN OF COLOR.

SETH MAGAZINER, HIS FAMILY BEING INTO SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUE SO MUCH, I JUST THINK IT WAS REALLY SMART.

I THINK MCKEE HAS THE UPPER HAND, AND SHE HELPS HIM ENORMOUSLY IN THE UPCOMING RACE.

HE IS DEFINITELY THE GUY TO BEAT.

JIM: LET ME STAY WITH YOU ON VACCINES.

ANGEL HIT IT ON THE HEAD, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, HOW THE GOVERNOR HANDLES VACCINES, AND EVERYONE IS UNFAILING LEE -- UNFAILINGLY CHEERFUL.

A LITTLE BIT OF A BLIP THIS WEEK WITH JOHNSON & JOHNSON, AND IT IS ONLY SIX OUT OF 6 MILLION, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW.

I WONDER WHETHER YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST THAT, A BLIP , OR WHETHER THIS WILL REINFORCE PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING THE VACCINE AND IT MIGHT HAVE A SUPPRESSING EFFECT?

ARLENE: ON THURSDAY, "CBS THIS MORNING" REPORTED THERE IS THE SAME RATIO WITH THE OTHER VACCINATIONS.

I THINK THESE BLIPS REINFORCE THE POSITION PEOPLE HAVE.

IF IN FACT YOU HAVE THE VACCINE AND WANT IT, IT REINFORCES HOW CAREFUL THE GOVERNMENT IS BEING ABOUT IT, SO IT MAKES YOU MORE APT TO GET IT.

SIMILARLY, WITH PEOPLE RESISTING GETTING THE VACCINE, THIS SO-CALLED BLIP WILL HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT.

I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO REALLY START A CAMPAIGN TO OVERCOME THAT REINFORCEMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HESITANT UP TO THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT.

JIM: ANGEL?

ANGEL: WELL, I AGREE WITH ARLENE.

IT IS INTERESTING, I SAW A POLL YESTERDAY THAT SAID PEOPLE SEEM TO BE MORE CONFIDENT BECAUSE OF THE PAUSE, THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A VERY QUICK POLL TWEETED OUT BY SOMEONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

I LOOKED TO SEE THE SOURCE.

I THINK IT WILL BE ENFORCED HOW PEOPLE FEEL.

WE NEED PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED TO GET THE HERD IMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HESITANT.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT LIBERTY AND DECISIONS THEY MAKE.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOUR DECISION IMPACTS OTHER PEOPLE?

WE CAN'T GET TO HERD IMMUNITY WITHOUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE GETTING VACCINATED.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED.

I THINK IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.

YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET STRUCK BY LIGHTNING THAN TO HAVE THAT REACTION.

YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE THAT, LET PEOPLE KNOW, ANY MEDICATION, YOU COULD HAVE AN ALLERGIC REACTION.

YOU HEAR THAT EVERY TIME YOU GO TO A DOCTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ALLERGIES?

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PEOPLE WILL SEE WE ARE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY AND GO OUT AND GET VACCINATED, IF NOT FOR THEMSELVES, BUT THE PEOPLE THEY LOVE.

JIM: SOME PEOPLE WONDER WITH JUST THAT FEW PEOPLE, SIX OUT OF 6 MILLION, SHOULD THEY HAVE PAUSED?

CLEARLY, THE CDC SAW SOMETHING WE DID NOT.

SCOTT: MY INFECTIOUS DISEASE DOCTOR WIFE SAYS HOPEFULLY THIS SMALL BLIP WILL NOT SLOW DOWN PEOPLE'S REACTION.

WHAT BOTHERS ME A BIT AND LOOKING AT SOME NATIONAL DATA.

IN SOME OF THESE RED STATES IN THE DEEP SOUTH, THERE ARE VACCINES PILING UP BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ANTI-VACCINATION ATTITUDES.

I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK THAT'S -- WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY MORE DIVISIONS IN OUR SOCIETY, AND TO HAVE A RED AND BLUE STATE VACCINATION DIVIDE IS NOT SOMETHING AMERICANS WANT.

ARLENE: THIS IS MY SCOTT MACKAY DAY, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE HAS SAID, INCLUDING THAT LAST POINT.

THE WHITE HOUSE WAS REALLY SMART COMING OUT AND SAYING, THE REASON WHY WE DID THIS PAUSE IS WITH BLOOD CLOTS, YOU HAVE TO TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY IF THE GENESIS WAS THAT VACCINE.

THE USUAL PROTOCOL IS TO USE A BLOOD THINNER AND WE DON'T WANT YOU TO USE THAT, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A PRESENTING PROBLEM AT A DOCTOR'S OFFICE, THEY DON'T USE THE USUAL PROTOCOL.

THAT WAS A SMART WAY OF EXPLAINING.

JIM: WE HAVE TAPE OF ALL OF YOU WITH SCOTT AND ARLENE, WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU AGREE.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO GET TO, BUT SCOTT OUTRAGE OR A KUDO?

SCOTT: I HAVE A KUDO AND IT IS AN INTERESTING ONE.

A YOUNG REPORTER I'VE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS RECENTLY DID A GOOD STORY ON THE MASS OF THE BLOCK ISLAND -- MESS OF THE BLOCK ISLAND MARINA.

JIM HUMMEL HAS BEEN DOING SOME FINE WORK RECENTLY AND HAS CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, LOOKING INTO IT.

I THINK THESE KINDS OF STORIES, AND THERE IS A ROCK -- A LOT OF THEM AROUND -- EVERYONE SAYS THE PRESS IS DIMINISHED -- BUT THERE IS GOOD WORK GOING ON LOCALLY.

I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THIS IS WHY LOCAL JOURNALISM MATTERS.

JIM: SCOTTY, THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS.

WE WILL PUT EXTRA IN YOUR CHECK THIS WEEK.

ARLENE, LET ME GO TO YOU, KUDO OR OUTRAGE?

ARLENE: KUDOS TO YOU, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH SCOTT MORE.

I WAS GOING TO PICK JOHN BOEHNER BECAUSE HE TOOK THE STICK TO REPUBLICANS.

THAT WAS REFRESHING TO SEE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO PICK HIM BECAUSE I LEARNED HE VOTED WITH MR. TRUMP TWICE.

INSTEAD, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY HEARTBREAK, EDELMAN NOT BEING A PATRIOT.

I'M HEARTBREAKING.

JIM: WERE YOU INVITED TO HIS RETIREMENT PROBLEM -- PARTY?

ARLENE: BELIEVE ME, I WOULD GO IN A HEARTBEAT.

JIM: ANGEL, OUTRAGE OR KUDO?

ANGEL: FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RED SOX AND THE GREAT JOB THEY ARE DOING.

ARLENE TOUCHED ON SPORTS, SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO POLITICS.

I READ THIS MORNING A TWEET BY MAGGIE HABER OF THE TIMES THAT FORMER GOVERNOR CHRISTIE OF NEW JERSEY IS ADVISING REPUBLICANS TO CALL JOE BIDEN A LIAR.

I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IT ON THIS WEEK A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE HE APPEARS ON ABC SAYING THAT.

IT IS OUTRAGEOUS TO ME BECAUSE IT IS LIKE REPUBLICANS FORGOT HOW TO SPELL "LIE," DURING FOUR YEARS OF TRUMP.

THEY DIDN'T DARE SAY THE WORD "LIAR."

HERE IS A GUY TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB AND IF YOU MADE A MISSTATEMENT, YOU SHOULD CALL HIM OUT.

HE HAS GOT ABOUT 30,000 OR 40,000 MISSTATEMENTS TO GO BEFORE HE CATCHES UP TO OUR FORMER PRESIDENT.

I THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

JIM: "MISSTATEMENT" IS A KIND WAY OF SAYING LIE.

SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS, BUT THE BLOCK ISLAND CASE I DID ABOUT SHAMBLIN'S MARINA AND THE WAY THE CRMC COASTAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT COUNCIL, IS A QUASIPUBLIC AGENCY WITH HUGE SWAY OVER A LOT OF WHAT GOES ON OVER OUR 400 PLUS MILES OF COASTLINE AND DEVELOPMENT.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONABLE WAYS THEY'VE ARRIVED AT DECISIONS.

CRMC, YOU'VE KNOWN OVER THE YEARS, THE PLAYERS HAVE CHANGED.

IS IT TIME FOR SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGE AND MAYBE BRING THEM MORE INTO A CABINET LEVEL POSITION, OR IS IT A MATTER OF TWEAKING WHAT IS THERE?

ARLENE: IN THE DAYS WHERE GROVER FUGATE WAS THERE AND OTHERS WERE ON THAT COMMISSION, WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS.

I'M NOT SURE IT IS A STRUCTURAL ISSUE AS MUCH IS AN APPOINTEE ISSUE.

FOR SOME REASON, THEY'VE GONE ROGUE HERE ON CRMC.

AS YOU POINTED OUT, JIM, KUDOS TO YOU AND KUDOS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR GETTING INVOLVED.

BEFORE I CALL FOR ANY STRUCTURAL CHANGE, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHO IS GETTING APPOINTED AND WHY THEY ARE DOING THESE ROGUE ACTIVITIES.

JIM: SCOTT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

IT HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN.

SCOTT: IT SURE IS.

WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN ABOUT THIS, BUT ACCESS TO THE COASTLINE, I THINK IT WAS ALEX NOONS AT PUBLIC RADIO, ANOTHER OLD FRIEND OF MINE, POINTING OUT THAT WE HAVE THESE PHONY FIRE DISTRICTS IN RHODE ISLAND ON SOUTH COUNTY, AND THEIR MAIN JOB SEATS TO BE TO KEEP THE HOI POLLOI AWAY FROM THE WATER AND NOT HAVE THE RICH PEOPLE AND THEIR BIG MANSIONS HAVE TO SEE THE REST OF US ON THE WATERFRONT.

I THINK THERE IS A WHOLE NEED, A WHOLE LOOK THAT WE NEED TO DO AT THE WAY WE TREAT OUR COASTLINE.

IT SEEMS THAT EVERY FEW YEARS THIS COMES UP.

THE GENERAL WILL REMEMBER THE BLACK ROCK DEVELOPMENTS, THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED -- TENSION BETWEEN DEVELOPERS AND THE PUBLIC WHO DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY, BUT STILL WANT TO ENJOY OUR WONDERFUL BEACHES.

RHODE ISLAND IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN THE NORTHEAST.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SHUT ALL THAT OFF.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF A BALANCE, AND IT MIGHT BE TIME TO TAKE A LOOK FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, JUST WITH THE CRMC' CHARGES.

JIM: IT WAS ENCOURAGIG THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL -- I'M NOT SURE THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH HIS PREDECESSOR -- HE'S KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS.

I KNOW THAT IT HAS BUBBLED UP THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED HIS OFFICE AND SAID, WE HAVE CONCERNS, AND HE IS LISTENING AND GETTING INVOLVED.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T BEEN USED TO FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

ANGEL: WHEN I HEARD SCOTT GIVE HIS KUDOS, I AGREED GIVING YOU KUDOS, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS A FORMER MAYOR, I NEVER WANTED THE ATTENTION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

SUNSHINE IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT, AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SHINING A LIGHT ON IT, BECAUSE A LOT OF RHODE ISLANDERS DON'T REALIZE NECESSARILY HOW POWERFUL SOME OF THESE BOARDS ARE, AND THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON OUR LIVES.

I THINK GETTING THE INFORMATION, SHINING THE LIGHT ON IT, IS IMPORTANT.

THE GENERAL LOOKING OUT IT IS IMPORTANT, AND IT IS TIME TO REVISIT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, THE BEST WAY HOW TO ADDRESS IT.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER HOW TO ADDRESS IT, BUT WHAT IS CLEAR FROM WHAT YOU HAVE REPORTED IS WE NEED TO FIX ISSUES AND FIND THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD, BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT STATE AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR COASTLINE.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE WELL REPRESENTED IN DOING THAT.

JIM: FOLKS, THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THE MAIN SHOW, BUT STICK WITH US IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF THIS PANEL AND WANT TO SEE ARLENE AND SCOTT AGREE.

WE WILL DO OUR EXTRA.

FOR NOW, SCOTT AND ARLENE AND ANGEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE REST OF YOU, COME BACK HERE NEXT WEEK AS "LIVELY EXPERIMENT" CONTINUES.

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