>> THIS WEEK, THE MAYOR OF PROVIDENCE HAS A MESSAGE FOR ATV RIDERS NOT IN OUR CITY.

THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS A NEW CHAIRMAN, WE WILL HEAR WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE ELECTION CYCLE.

>> A LIVELY EXPERIENCE IS UNDERWRITTEN BY.

>> IT HAS PROVIDED AN INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS OF ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

[CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CARDI'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES] >> JOINING US ON THE PANEL, JIM VINCENT FROM THE NAACP BRANCH IN PROVIDENCE.

POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR DON ROACH.

WELCOME TO LIVELY.

WE APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING PART OF YOUR WEEKEND WITH US.

PROVIDENCE MAYOR BRETT SMILEY LEFT LITTLE DOUBT THAT THERE IS A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN WHEN IT COMES TO BATTLING GROUPS OF ATV RIDERS TORMENTING SOME OF THE CITY'’S NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT INCLUDES A DEDICATED TEAM OF POLICE OFFICERS AND INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES LIKE VIDEO AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO PREVENT PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY START.

WE HAVE GENERALLY GOOD REVIEWS.

SOME PEOPLE DID TAKE ISSUE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

JIM V.: I WAS WORRIED ABOUT SOME OF THE VIEWS AND CRIMINALIZATION POSSIBILITIES.

FULL DISCLOSURE, I AM A SENIOR ADVISOR WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER.

WE DO NOT PART -- TALK ABOUT THIS GENERAL ISSUE.

THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM.

THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES IN NEW YORK CITY, D.C., BOSTON, CHARLOTTE, BALTIMORE.

IT SEEMS LIKE ONE CITY SEEMS TO HAVE A DECREASE IN CRIME.

THEY HAVE A PROGRAM WORKING WITH YOUNG TEENAGERS AROUND EDUCATION, IT IS A SPECIAL PROGRAM THEY HAD.

IN TERMS OF ARRESTS AND THESE ATV'’S, EVER BALTIMORE IS DOING, THEY NEED TO TAKE A PAGE OUT OF THAT.

IT IS A PROBLEM.

I'’M NOT TOO SURE WE WILL HAVE IT EFFECTIVELY DEALT WITH.

JIM H.: LISA?

LISA: I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THE NEW MAYOR AND POLICE CHIEF TAKING A STRONG STANCE ON THIS.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO PROVIDENCE AND THEY WANT TO ADDRESS IT.

THEY AREN'’T ADDRESSING THE CORE ISSUE.

WE HAVE YOUNG MEN WHO WANT THIS AS A RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY.

BY GOING AFTER THEM THE WAY WE CONTINUE TO GO AFTER THEM, I'’M NOT SURE IT WILL CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR.

I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE IN PROVIDENCE WHERE THEY COULD HAVE FUN.

I DON'’T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CANNOT HAVE THAT OPTION.

YOU SHARED WITH US LAST NIGHT THAT CHARLENE LIMA HAS PUT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD MAKE IT A PENALTY, A CRIME TO PUT THEM IN JAIL.

DON: READING SOME OF MAYOR SMILEY'’S RHETORIC MADE ME FEEL LIKE THEY WERE ATTACKING LIKE THE MURDER OR RAPE RATES HAVE GONE UP.

IT DOESN'’T FEEL LIKE IT IS THE SAME THING.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RIDE THESE VEHICLES.

THERE IS NO REAL SPACE FOR THOSE VEHICLES.

JIM H.: THEY ARE NOT LEGAL ON THE ROAD, WHAT DO YOU DO?

DON: IT IS MORE ABOUT HOW COULD WE PROVIDE A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN RIDE SOMEWHERE?

WRITING A DIRT BIKE OR ATV IS NOT THE SAME AS OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN MY OPINION, SELLING DRUGS OR COMMITTING RIVALRIES -- ROBBERIES OR WHATNOT.

RATHER THAN ATTACKING THE LEGALITY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHY DON'’T WE FIND A SPACE FOR THESE FOLKS TO RIDE SAFELY?

WHY ARE OUR LEADERS TALKING ABOUT THAT MORE THAN CREATING A TASK FORCE TO GO AFTER THESE FOLKS?

JIM H.: IF THEY ARE NOT STREET LEGAL, HOW DO YOU GET THEM?

JIM V.: AT THE STATE PARK THERE IS 21 MILES WHERE THEY SAY YOU COULD HAVE AN ATV, HOW DO YOU GET THE BIKES THERE?

THOSE KIND OF WHISTLES IN THE 30 DAY MANDATORY IS NOT HELPFUL.

IT IS NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.

JIM H.: I'’M NOT SURE IT IS ALTOGETHER RACIST.

I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY BUT THERE ARE ALSO WHITE PEOPLE TOO.

LET'’S BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS, WE SAW A WOMAN SURROUNDED LAST YEAR.

WE HAVE SEEN POLICE OFFICERS THE SAME WAY.

THIS IS SERIOUS CONDUCT AND IF YOU ARE COMING TO PROVIDENCE, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU FEEL SAFELY.

JIM V.: IF IT IS A GROUP OF ALL-WHITE ATV RIDERS I DON'’T THINK THEY WOULD SAY TERRORISTS.

THOSE ARE TERRORISTS.

JIM H.: I'’M NOT SURE IT IS RACIST.

IT IS STRONG LANGUAGE.

DON: WHAT JIM IS TRYING TO SAY IS THERE'’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IF A WHITE PERSON DOES SOMETHING VERSUS A PERSON OF COLOR.

I WILL BE GETTING TO THAT HOPEFULLY WITH AN INCIDENT WITH THE WOMEN'’S COLLEGE BASKETBALL THIS WEEK.

I DO THINK IF THESE WERE WHITE ATV RIDERS WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY.

WHERE DO WE FIND A SPACE FOR THESE RIDERS TO GO, THEY ARE JUST OUT HERE HAVING FUN, VERSUS CRIMINALIZING THE MENTALITY.

AS IF THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO BE DOING A NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY.

JIM H.: YOUR MAYOR, KEN HOPKINS, HOW DO YOU FEEL THE WAY HE HAS HANDLED IT?

DO YOU HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS?

DON: YES.

I DO FEEL WHY MAYOR SMILEY, WHY MAYOR HOPKINS ARE TAKING THESE APPROACHES TO THESE ATV RIDERS.

I DON'’T THINK IT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ACTUALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

TO ME, IT INDICATES A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING WHY ARE THESE RIDERS WRITING AT ALL AND WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO THEY HAVE?

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND TO BETTER SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

JIM H.: IT'’S INTERESTING THIS HAS BECOME AN ISSUE.

I DON'’T RECALL ATV'’S BEING A BIG ISSUE 10 YEARS AGO.

LISA: I LIVE NEAR WEST GREENWICH WHERE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU SEE A NEWS CLIP ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING FUN AND DOING THAT.

I AGREE WITH YOU THE GROUPS NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND FIND AN OPTION.

AS THE WEATHER WARMS UP, WE CANNOT HAVE THIS HAPPENING IN PROVIDENCE.

I DON'’T WANT TO BE ON MAIN STREET OR WHEREVER IN PROVIDENCE AND BE SURROUNDED BY ATV'’S.

UNTIL THEN, HOW DO YOU DETERIORATE -- DETER BEHAVIOR FROM HAPPENING?

JIM H.: FINAL WORD?

JIM V.: BALTIMORE, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM WORKING WITH TEENAGERS IN TERMS OF EDUCATION.

I DON'’T KNOW THE NUMBER OF THE PROGRAM.

THEY HAD SOME SUCCESS IN TERMS OF THE ARREST RATE GOING DOWN.

WHATEVER BALTIMORE IS DOING, WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A PAGE OUT OF THEIR BOOK.

IT MIGHT NOT WORK IN PROVIDENCE OR WORK -- RHODE ISLAND BUT IT IS WORTH A LOOK AT.

JIM H.: NEW LEADERSHIP IN THE STATE GOP.

JOE POWERS IS THE NEW CHAIRMAN.

I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH MR.

POWERS THIS WEEK TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE EXPECTS TO DO IN HIS LEADERSHIP ROLE AS CHAIRMAN.

HERE IS PART OF OUR INTERVIEW.

THIS POSITION HAS BEEN CHALLENGING IN THE BEST OF TIMES, WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO GO FOR THE CHAIRMANSHIP?

MR.

POWERS: I SOUGHT EARLY ON ALL OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAD WITH THE REPUBLICAN POWER -- PARTY IN THE STATE OF RHODE ISLAND.

THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO LAND LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD A BUSINESS.

JIM H.: I WOULD SAY YOU STAND OUT CLEARLY TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE MOST OF RHODE ISLAND IS BUT YOU ARE PRO-LIFE, PRETTY STRONG ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

I READ ABOUT BACKPAY AND GETTING RID OF THE VACCINE MANDATES.

THAT IS TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE A LOT OF THESE DISTRICTS ARE.

I KNOW THOSE ARE YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS.

HOW DO YOU MAKE INROADS WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IS VIEWED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN RHODE ISLAND AS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RIGHT OF WHERE IT WAS WHEN JOHN CHAFEE WAS SENATOR?

IT IS A BIT OF A BALANCE TO BRING IN THOSE INDEPENDENT VOTERS, ISN'’T IT?

MR.

POWERS: SURE IS.

THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF BEING THE CHAIR, I'’M NOT THE ONE THEY ARE ELECTING.

THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS FOR US TO REACH ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT AND ALL THE WAY TO THE CENTER.

BRING THAT MESSAGING SO IT IS MORE PALPABLE FOR RHODE ISLANDERS.

I KNOW HOW TO THINK.

I DON'’T LIKE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO THINK.

IT IS NOT MY JOB TO DO THAT FOR RHODE ISLANDERS.

IT IS MY JOB TO SHOW THEM WHAT THE CHOICES ARE.

JIM H.: FINAL QUESTION, YOU HAVE ALL OF A SUDDEN A CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT COMING UP.

A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE DEMOCRATS.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO RECRUIT SOMEBODY?

MR.

POWERS: WE ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW.

WE HAVE HAD YOUR NAME BUT SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS.

JIM H.: IF YOU WANT TO SEE OUR ENTIRE INTERVIEW WE HAVE IT ON OUR YOUTUBE PAGE.

LISA, LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU.

LISA: MY NAME IS NOT ONE OF THE ONES HE IS CONSIDERING.

JIM H.: A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CONTACTED, NOBODY SO FAR.

OVERALL, YOU HAVE BEEN WITH THE PARTY A LONG TIME, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY NEED TO DO TO GET RELEVANT AGAIN?

LISA: THEY HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT THE AUDIENCE.

YOU HAVE TO THINK OF WHO YOUR AUDIENCE IS.

WHEN HE IS SO STRONG ON SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL ISSUES LIKE GUNS AND ABORTION, YOU ARE LOSING A LOT OF MODERATE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO LOOK AT REPUBLICAN.

HE HAS TAKEN OVER A PARTY.

WE HAVE 14 SEATS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, NO STATE OFFICERS, ONE MAYOR, THE ONLY WAY TO GO IS UP.

WE HAD SOME GOOD CANDIDATES RUN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THIS LAST ELECTION.

THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE BUILDING THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH THE VOTERS.

I THINK WE WILL START TO SEE SOME GAMES.

WE HAVE SOME GOOD CANDIDATES.

ARE THEY WILLING TO DO IT A SECOND TIME?

DON: I HEARD LISA SAY HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT GET AND IT REMINDED ME A NUMBER OF CHAIRMAN THAT HAVE COME THROUGH OVER THE YEARS.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW WORSE COULD THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GET.

IT MAY NOT BE GETTING WORSE PER SE, BUT IT IS NOT GETTING BETTER.

FOR ME AS A REPUBLICAN FOR 25 YEARS IN THIS STATE, IT IS REALLY NOT INSPIRING TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL ISSUES.

WE MENTION FOLKS FROM THE RIGHT AND THE CENTER.

WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

THERE'’S A WAY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO EVEN PROGRESSIVE AUDIENCES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE IN COMMON.

I DON'’T THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHO OUR ENEMIES ARE.

WHAT ARE THE COMMONALITIES WE HAVE?

THE THINGS WE HAVE IN COMMON ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

RED AND BUTTER POLITICS VERSUS THE SOCIAL ISSUES WHERE IN RHODE ISLAND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE RIGHT OF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

IF THAT IS THE FOCUS WE DRAW ATTENTION TO, WE WILL NOT BE ELECTED, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE NEXT MR.

POWERS, THE NEXT -- THEY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING SAYING HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT GET?

HOW ABOUT WE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

JIM V.: I HAVE KNOWN OTHER CHAIRMAN IN THE PAST.

MOST OF THEM HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME TO TALK ABOUT HOW COULD WE BE MORE INCLUSIVE?

JIM H.: DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU?

JIM V.: PEOPLE THAT ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GROWING THE PARTY SHOULD CONSIDER EVERYBODY TO TALK TO.

I DO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ANTIABORTION AND PRO-ASSAULT WEAPONS OR WHATEVER, THOSE KIND OF ISSUES ARE GROWING.

MILLENNIALS, GEN Z, PEOPLE OF COLOR, IT WILL NOT RESONATE.

YOU ARE NOT HITTING THE SWEET SPOT.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE OF MIND, YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATION, HOUSING, HEALTH, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

TALK ABOUT IT IN A WAY THAT WILL RESONATE WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES.

IF YOU DON'’T, YOU WILL NOT GROW.

YOU HAVE TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY OR YOU ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

JIM H.: YOU LIVE IN CRANSTON, THAT IS ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO REPUBLICANS.

YOU'’VE HAD MAJORITIES ON THE COUNCIL OFF AND ON.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WORKS LOCALLY TO GET REPUBLICANS ELECTED THAT COULD TRANSLATE ON A STATEWIDE LEVEL?

DON: COMMON SENSE.

THAT IS BASICALLY IT.

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSTITUENTS AND SAY HERE'’S WHAT I'’M GOING TO DO TO HELP YOU.

NOT BEING REACTIONARY TO WHATEVER THE DEMOCRATS DO AND SAY THE DEMOCRATS SUCK AND THIS OR THAT.

THAT IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, STUPID.

FOCUS ON IMPORTANT ISSUES FOR CONSTITUENTS AND TALK ABOUT HOW YOU PLAN TO ADDRESS ALL OF THEM.

LISA: I DEFINE MYSELF AS A REPUBLICAN.

THEY WERE SOCIALLY MODERATE BUT FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE.

I AGREE WITH DON WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OF CRANSTON FOR MOST OF THE TIME WE HAD THE MAYOR, THEY REALLY FOCUS ON THE BUDGET AND REALLY TRY TO RUN AN EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT THAT REALLY SERVES THE PEOPLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CANDIDATES FOCUSING MORE ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

WHY DO WE SPEND SO MUCH?

COULD WE BE MORE EFFICIENT?

ON EDUCATION, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT ACROSS THE BOARD.

DON: ONE OF THE REASONS MAYOR HOPKINS WON HIS ELECTION, HE WAS AN EVERYDAY GUY.

JUST VERY RELATABLE.

JIM H.: YOU DON'’T LOOK AT HIM AS A PARTY LABEL.

HE'’S THE GUY WHO HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR YEARS AND ON ALL OF THE CHARITABLE WORK.

DON: EXACTLY.

IF REPUBLICANS PRESENT THEMSELVES IN THAT WAY, WE COULD WIN.

WE HAVE BEEN SO FOCUSED ON THE SOCIALLY RIGHT ISSUES.

I CONSIDER MYSELF PRO-RIGHT.

IT IS NOT THE WAY TO GET ELECTIVE.

JIM V.: UNLESS THE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY AT LARGE CHANGE, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

IT IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE.

IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPUBLICAN IN THIS STATE.

THEY HAVE TO DECIDE A BETTER WAY.

TALKED ABOUT ELECTIONS IN TERMS OF EARLY VOTING.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THAT THINKING.

IF YOU DON'’T, YOU WILL NEVER WIN AN ELECTION, THAT IS THE FACTS.

YOU CAN'’T GO BY SOME NATIONAL DOGMA.

INCLUDING IN RHODE ISLAND.

JIM H.: WE GO FROM STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY.

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP ARRAIGNED THIS WEEK.

FIRST TIME A PRESIDENT OR FORMER PRESIDENT BROUGHT UP ON CRIMINAL CHARGES.

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TALK IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS AS IT PLAYS OUT.

JUST FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT , LET'’S START WITH YOU, THE NATIONAL PARTY IS AT A CROSSROADS.

WE HAVE SEEN A COALESCING OF SOME OF THE CANDIDATES.

NOW YOU HAVE A GUY WHO IS CRIMINALLY CHARGED, FACING SOME MORE DOWN THE LINE.

THAT IS A TOUGH POSITION FOR THE PARTY TO BE IN.

DESANTIS, NIKKI HALEY, ALL OF THEM JOCKEYING.

DON: IF I WAS DONALD TRUMP HOW YOU WILL LEVERAGE THIS WITH HIS BASE TO SAY THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME.

TO ME, AS I WAS READING THROUGH THE CHARGES, WHY COULDN'’T THEY SETTLE THIS OUT OF COURT?

WHAT IS THE POINT?

YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING TO STICK IT TO DONALD TRUMP AND THAT IS AS CLEAR AS DAY.

HE WILL USE THAT RIGHTFULLY SO TO SAY LOOK, I AM HERE FOR YOU IN FIGHTING FOR YOU.

THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE TO ELECT ME.

JIM V.: HE WANTS TO BE INDICTED.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SHOT UP LIKE A ROCKET.

HE WAS LEADING DESANCTIMONIUS AS HE WOULD CALL HIM.

NOW IT IS 48-19.

IT WOULD'’VE BEEN BETTER IF I WAS PHOTOGRAPHED WITH A MUGSHOT.

MAYBE HAD THE HANDCUFFS.

IT WOULD'’VE BEEN ENORMOUS.

THEY WOULD'’VE EXPLODED.

I THINK HE IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS INDICTMENT AND THE NEXT TWO INDICTMENTS.

HE WILL BE MORE POPULAR.

JIM H.: THE DEMOCRATS LIKE THAT.

JIM V.: THEY LOVE IT.

LISA: DONALD TRUMP DID LOSE THAT ELECTION.

IF YOU WENT AWAY AND WAS ABSOLUTELY QUIET AND WE NEVER SAW HIM, HEARD FROM HIM, WOULD THIS BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?

THE WAY I'’M LOOKING AT IT, I BELIEVE IT IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

IT IS TO ESSENTIALLY STOP HIM FROM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

STARTING WITH PROBABLY THE WEAKEST OF THE FOUR CASES AGAINST HIM JUST TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THE NEWS.

I FOUND HOW A PICTURE COULD SAY 1000 WORDS, SEEING HIM SITTING THERE SO SUBMISSIVE BEFORE THE JUDGE, THAT DOESN'’T SERVE HIM WELL AT ALL.

HE HAS HIS BASE.

THAT BASE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO PROPEL HIM INTO THE CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENCY.

JIM H.: WE ALL AGREE THIS IS THE WEAKEST CASE, THE GEORGIA CASE WHERE THEY HAD HIM ON TAPE, JANUARY 6.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE DOCUMENTS CASE.

DO YOU THINK ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE PURSUED RIGHT NOW ANYWAY IF WE NEVER HEARD FROM HIM AGAIN?

LISA: WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH ENDED HIS PRESIDENCY, HE WENT BACK, HE WAS PAINTING, NOT COMMENTING ON PESIDENT OBAMA.

HE WAS TOTALLY QUIET.

THAT IS WHAT PRESIDENTS NORMALLY DO.

DONALD TRUMP IS A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL.

HE WANTS TO BE IN THE LIMELIGHT.

IT IS OXYGEN FOR HIM.

IT IS FEEDING HIM RIGHT NOW.

I DON'’T THINK IT IS A GOOD LOOK.

JIM V.: HE LOVES IT BECAUSE HE WILL BE THE NOMINEE OF THE PARTY.

RON DESANTIS IS TOO MUCH LIKE TRUMP.

HE IS LOSING BADLY IN THE POLLS.

TRUMP WILL GET STRONGER.

HE COULD BE INDICTED BY THE DOJ, HE WILL BE THAT MUCH STRONGER IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

HE WILL BE UNBEATABLE.

THERE IS NO NIKKI HALEY, NO MIKE PENCE, THEY ARE TRUMP LIGHT.

THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD MAYBE MAKE A DIFFERENCE IS MITT ROMNEY.

THAT MAGA BASE IS 85%-90% OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY BASE.

JIM H.: THE DEMOCRATS CAN'’T FEEL GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GUY -- JOE BIDEN, I THINK HE'’S NOT GOING TO RUN.

EVERYBODY SAYS HE WILL RUN.

DO YOU SEE JOE BIDEN AS BEING FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, STILL IS THE PRESIDENT?

JIM V.: STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.

HE DIDN'’T DEFEAT TRUMP, YOU HEARD IT HERE.

REPUBLICAN SAYING JOE BIDEN WON THE ELECTION.

DONALD TRUMP KNOWS THE AUDIENCE.

TO LISA'’S POINT EARLIER, THAT IS WHY HE IS SO EFFECTIVE AND POWERFUL.

HE LEVERAGES THE LEFT-LEANING MEDIA, LEFT-LEANING EVERYTHING TO HIS OWN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE BOTHERS THEM.

HE DOES THAT TO RALLY HIS OWN BASE AND GET THE MODERATES THINKING MAYBE THEY ARE AFTER HIM.

MAYBE HE DOES HAVE THE RIGHT IDEAS.

TO ME, THAT IS THE GENIUS OF TRUMP BUT ALSO WHAT MAKES HIM PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN AMERICA.

JIM H.: LET'’S GO TO KUDOS AND THEN GET BACK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

JIM V.: I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT CAITLIN CLARK VERSUS ANGEL REESE HYPOCRISY.

WOMEN'’S BASKETBALL.

I WILL TALK ABOUT MR. ETHICS, CLARENCE THOMAS.

I WILL SAVE THAT FOR NEXT TIME.

JIM H.: JUST CALL UP DAVE LANGDON.

LET'’S TALK ABOUT TENNESSEE.

LET'’S TALK ABOUT THE TWO BLACK MEN AND WHITE WOMAN AND HOW YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT IS INEXPLICABLE HOW TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIGHT FOR GUN SAFETY BECAUSE SIX PEOPLE IN NASHVILLE WERE KILLED.

THEY GET EXPELLED.

THE LAST TIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY PROVIDED FUEL FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THESE PEOPLE ARE ROCK STARS.

JIM H.: EXPELLED FOR VIOLATING THE RULES OF THE HOUSE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

JIM V.: IT COULD'’VE BEEN A MONTH SUSPENSION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

TO EXPEL SOMEBODY YOU ARE NOT ONLY EXPELLING THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU ARE BASICALLY SANCTIONING THEM.

70,000 PEOPLE PER DISTRICT.

THEY EXPELLED TWO YOUNG BLACK MEN AND DID NOT EXPEL THE WHITE WOMAN.

I CAN'’T MAKE THIS KIND OF STUFF UP, THE STUPIDITY.

HOW ABOUT THE OPTICS.

MY RACISM IS SHOWING.

THAT HAPPENED.

SHE SAID ARE YOU KIDDING ME, IT IS BECAUSE THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?

JIM H.: THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE HE COULD COME BACK AND FILL THAT SEAT.

JIM V.: BOTH OF THEM COULD BACK AND BE REAPPOINTED.

IT DOESN'’T PRECLUDE THEM FROM RUNNING AGAIN.

JIM H.: LISA?

LISA: THE DEPARTMENT OF -- TO PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON GOVERNOR MCKEE'’S CABINET.

THERE WERE 12 CABINET MEMBERS.

SIX OF THEM ARE ACTING.

I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THAT.

SINCE HE TOOK OVER AS GOVERNOR, TWO YEARS NOW, HE HAS NOT HAD A PERMANENT CABINET.

I COULD UNDERSTAND THE NEED AFTER GINA RAIMONDO LEFT.

PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO COMMIT TO HIS CABINET.

NOW HE HAS BEEN REELECTED.

IF HE WAS REELECTED IN NOVEMBER, BY THIS TIME IF HE WAS PUT INTO OFFICE HE WOULD HAVE A FULL PERMANENT CABINET IN PLACE AND HE DOESN'’T.

JIM H.: HE HAS ALSO GOTTEN SALARY INCREASES.

PETER ALVIDI IS THE ONLY HOLDOVER FROM THE GINA RAIMONDO ADMINISTRATION.

LISA: YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EVEN FOR A SMALL STATE LIKE RHODE ISLAND, THE GOVERNMENT IS VERY LARGE.

IF YOU DON'’T HAVE A PERMANENT CABINET WORKING CLOSELY TOGETHER, THAT IS NOT EFFICIENT.

DON: MY OUTRAGE IS IN THE WOMEN'’S BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT, MARCH MADNESS, MY FAVORITE SPORTING EVENT OF THE YEAR, ONE WOMAN, CAITLIN CLARK, A REALLY GOOD BASKETBALL PLAYER.

A LOT OF NBA PLAYERS LIKE HER GAME.

IN ONE OF HER GAMES SHE DID THE JOHN CENA SIGN.

I LOVE TRASH TALKING.

JIM H.: YOU HAVE TALKED A LITTLE TRASH ON THE COURT.

DON: I LIKE THAT STYLE.

LSU WON THE GAME.

SHE DID THE SAME THING BACK TO CAITLIN CLARK.

I THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME.

I LOOKED AROUND TO SEE IF ANYBODY WAS GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.

THEN I SAW THIS OTHER PLAYER DO IT AND SHE HAS TAKEN A LOT OF HEAT FOR IT.

FOR ME AS A PERSON WHO IS IN CORPORATE AMERICA, WHO WORKS IN ADVERSITY SPACES, THE WAY IN WHICH WHITE PEOPLE, WOMEN INCLUDED ARE ABLE TO DO THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO -- YOU COULD SEE IT IN THIS INCIDENT.

IT IS AN OUTRAGE.

MYSELF, I WAS RECENTLY PULLED OVER DRIVING IN NEBRASKA.

I'’M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF A FORTUNE 100 COMPANY.

IN THAT MOMENT ALL I WAS, WAS A BLACK MAN.

I DEFINITELY FEEL MY RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.

HE ASKED ME IF I HAD A GUN, WARNS OUT FOR MY ARREST, I HAVEN'’T HAD A SPEEDING VIOLATION SINCE 2002.

THE WAY IN WHICH BLACK PEOPLE ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY FOR THE SAME ACTIVITIES AS NON--- AS WHITE PEOPLE IS JUST DIFFERENT.

JIM H.: THERE WAS A LOT OF JUMPING UGLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

DON: A TON.

THEN YOU HAVE JILL BIDEN ADVISING -- INVITING THE LOSING TEAM TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

THERE'’S NO WAY SHE'’S INVITING LSU IF IOWA WON.

JIM H.: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

JIM V.: IT WAS SHOCKING, THE HYPOCRISY, THE DOUBLE STANDARD.

THE TRASH TALKING IS PART OF THE GAME.

WHEN ANGEL REESE DID THE EXACT SAME THING SHE WAS VILIFIED.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THE FACT THAT ONE IS WHITE AND ONE IS BLACK.

JIM H.: IS THERE ANY TRASH TALKING GOING ON IN THE BOARDROOM AT YOUR FORTUNE 100 COMPANY?

DON: I HAVE NO COMMENT.

[LAUGHTER] JIM H.: SMART GUY.

THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE.

LISA, JIM, DON, GREAT TO SEE YOU.

IF YOU DON'’T CATCH US FRIDAY AT 7:00 OR SUNDAY AT NOON, ALL OF OUR SHOWS ARE ARCHIVED.

ALSO, WE ARE VERY POPULAR PODCAST I'’M TOLD BY THE NUMBERS.

IF YOU CAN'’T WATCH US BY THE NUMBERS, TAKE US ALONG ON A WALK OR IN THE CAR.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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