[CAPTIONS COPYRIGHT NATIONAL CABLE SATELLITE CORP. 2023] >> THIS WEEK, WHAT MADE IT, AND WHAT DIDN'’T.

GOVERNOR MCKEE IS UNDER FIRE.

>> A LIVELY EXPERIMENT, GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> FOR OVER 30 YEARS, A LIVELY EXPERIMENT HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT TO POLITICAL ISSUES FACING RHODE ISLANDERS.

I'’M A PROUD SUPPORTER OF A GREAT PROGRAM ON RHODE ISLAND PBS.

>> THE FORMER CHAIRWOMAN FOR THE RHODE ISLAND REPUBLICAN PARTY AND POLITICAL STRATEGIST ROB HORWITZ.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

IT'’S A FAMILIAR SCRIPT EVERY YEAR.

NOTHING HAPPENS FOR MONTHS AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THEN IT'’S A CHAOTIC SCENE.

THE SESSION ENDED JUST AFTER 1:30 A.M. FRIDAY MORNING.

CHANGES TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND DISABILITY PAYMENTS FELL BY THE WAYSIDE BUT A $14 BILLION BUDGET PASSED.

I'’M STILL HAVING A TOUGH TIME.

SUE: LOOK AT COMPARABLES WITH OTHER STATES.

IT IS NOT ONLY TO HIGH, IT IS THE PRICE PER PERSON PER CAPITA HOW MUCH WE EXPECT RHODE ISLANDERS.

IT IS WAY TOO HIGH.

THERE ARE THINGS IN IT THAT ARE RIDICULOUS.

$50 MILLION FOR A COVID OFFICE.

WHY DO WE HAVE A COVID OFFICE AT THIS TIME?

LET RHODE ISLAND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HANDLE THAT.

THERE'’S $45 MILLION FOR LIFE-SCIENCES.

INTERESTING DEBATE.

THE RESPONSE WAS WE ARE CLOSE TO NEW YORK.

IT'’S A PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THEY ANTICIPATE.

I DON'’T LIKE THOSE.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR USUALLY MAKES MONEY.

THE TAXPAYERS ARE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG.

THERE ARE THINGS IN IT THAT SHOULD NOT BE.

THE EXCUSE IS, NEXT YEAR IT WILL GO AWAY AND WE WILL CUTS THEN.

HOST: WILL THE BUDGET COME DOWN NEXT YEAR.

ROB: YOU WANT TO CUT COVID?

WHAT HAPPENS IF COVID COMES BACK AND WE ARE NOT PREPARED?

I WOULD RATHER INVEST NOW THEN REACT.

WITH WHAT JOE SHOOK KOCH HE DID WITH LIFE-SCIENCES, HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN TO DOWNTOWN WORCESTER?

THEY HAVE SO MANY UNIVERSITIES WORKING WITH THEM.

NO WONDER WORCESTER IS AHEAD OF US HERE IN RHODE ISLAND.

IN MASSACHUSETTS, THEY PASSED THE MILLIONAIRE'’S TAX.

70 PROJECT STOPPED.

I SAY LET'’S ADVERTISE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

YOU DON'’T LIKE YOUR TAXES?

COME TO RHODE ISLAND.

WE WILL CREATE JOBS RIGHT IN THE CITY OF PROVIDENCE AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THAT'’S AN INVESTMENT THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNMENT HAVE MADE.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 20 YEARS AGO.

HOST: SHOULD WE HAVE CUT THE SALES TAX?

6 I WANT TO CUT EVERYTHING.

ROB: IF YOU CAN'’T DO IT, YOU CAN'’T DO IT.

I DON'’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE INTRICACIES.

I DON'’T WANT TO BE A MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK AND SAY I KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS.

I DON'’T.

JIM: THE SALES TAXES $1.5 BILLION PER YEAR REVENUE.

THAT'’S A $250 MILLION HOLE.

SUE SAID THE FEDERAL MONEY IS GOING AWAY.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE YOUR PARTY SUPPORTED THE CHANGE LAST NIGHT.

IT WAS A WISE BUDGET.

MOST OF THE FEDERAL SPENDING IS IN ONE TIME SPENDING.

CLEARLY, WE HAVE TO TIGHTEN OUR BELTS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

THERE WILL BE LESS FEDERAL FUNDING.

IN TERMS OF LIFE-SCIENCES, IF YOU'’RE GOING TO COMPETE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IF EVERY STATE YOU UNILATERALLY DISARM, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BUT IF YOU'’RE GOING TO COMPETE, THERE HAS TO BE PUBLIC SPENDING.

THIS IS NOT COMPANY SPECIFIC.

IT IS CREATING THE ENVIRONMENT WORCESTER HAS FOR A LIFE-SCIENCES INITIATIVE.

THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THE INNOVATION DISTRICT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

AT A MODEST LEVEL OF SPENDING.

SUE: IF THEY BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

YOU HAVE TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE TO INVEST.

WE HAVE POOR SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.

IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND, LET'’S SPEND MONEY ON EDUCATION, MAKE SURE OUR CHILDREN CAN READ, OPEN MORE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

IT IS NOT THE PANACEA.

IT IS NOT EVERYTHING THEY ARE MADE UP TO BE.

PARENTS ARE DYING FOR CHOICE HERE.

MAKE SURE OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM -- WE HAVE GREAT UNIVERSITIES HERE.

BROWN, PC, PROVIDENCE.

THEY ARE GREAT.

CAN OUR STUDENTS COMPETE IN THEM?

THEY CAN'’T READ OR DO MATH.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS APPROACH?

DIFFERENT ON THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

NEW HOUSE MINORITY LEADER MY CHIPPENDALE TALKED TO THE LEADER EARLY.

THEY PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE.

THEY VOTED FOR THE BUDGET.

SENATOR DE LA CRUZ SAID WE DON'’T LIKE THIS AT ALL.

SUE: I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR HIM.

HE HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH THEN WHEN BLAKE WAS THE LEADER.

HE REALIZED THEY DON'’T NEED THE REPUBLICANS TO PASS THE BUDGET, THAT THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO PASS WITH OR WITHOUT THEM.

HE NEGOTIATED AND GOT THINGS HE FELT WERE IMPORTANT.

SENATOR DE LA CRUZ FELT I AM NOT SETTLING FOR CRUMBS.

WE NEED OVERALL.

-- A MASSIVE OVERHAUL.

PEOPLE ELECT US TO BE THE OPPOSITION PARTY, TO SAY LET'’S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT HERE.

IT'’S A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

WE WILL SEE.

THEY GOT SOME THINGS THE TANGIBLE TAX WENT AWAY FOR A WHILE.

THEY GOT SOME CONSERVATION MONEY.

WE SAW THE DEVASTATION WITH FIRES ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

THAT'’S AN AREA MY CHIPPENDALE REPRESENTS.

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS REPRESENT THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE STATE.

IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET CONSERVATION MONEY.

IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET MORE PARK RANGERS IN THE AREA.

WE HAVEN'’T TAKEN CARE OF FOREST MANAGEMENT WELL.

>> I THINK IT'’S GREAT.

GET RID OF THE TANGIBLE TAX.

THAT'’S PRO-BUSINESS.

LOOK AT THE SUCCESS THE LEGISLATOR HAD IN INVESTING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE STATE.

I SCRATCH MY HEAD.

WE'’VE ALWAYS HAD A MILLION PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

WE NEVER HAD A HOUSING CRISIS IN 20 YEARS.

>> WHY ARE WE HAVING IT NOW?

>> IT'’S NOT AFFORDABLE TO LIVE HERE.

>> LISTEN.

HIGH PRICE OF PROPERTY DOESN'’T MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.

THEY NEED TO HELP SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK JAY POWELL AND THE FED -- OUTRAGEOUS, THE FED, WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE ECONOMY.

THEY ARE TARGETING PEOPLE THAT WAT TO SEE GROWTH TAKE PLACE AND CREATE JOBS.

THEY ARE KILLING THEM WITH THESE INTEREST RATES.

WHEN YOU SAW A HOUSING BUBBLE IN '’08, WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE OFFICE BUILDINGS IN '’24.

WE HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS AHEAD OF US.

IF WE DON'’T TRY TO HEAD THAT OFF NOW, WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM.

THAT IS WHY TIDEWATER ISN'’T DONE.

YOU CAN'’T AFFORD IT.

WE'’VE BEEN SPOILED ON LOW INTEREST RATES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

WE HAVE A GENERATION OF YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY, DON'’T UNDERSTAND WHAT INFLATION IS OR WHAT A RECESSION IS ABOUT BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD TO LIVE THROUGH IT.

SUE: I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE INTEREST RATES.

THEY'’VE BEEN ARTIFICIALLY LOW FOR SUCH A LONG TIME.

6% ISN'’T THAT HIGH.

I REMEMBER IN THE 1970'’S -- >> MY FIRST MORTGAGE WAS 10.25% IN THE 1970'’S.

>> JIMMY CARTER.

TRUMP TOLD THE FED BRING INTEREST RATES DOWN.

THAT'’S WHEN THE ECONOMY WAS MOVING.

SUE: IT STOPS EVERYTHING.

TALK ABOUT SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION.

A NUMBER OF TOWNS ARE LOOKING TO RENOVATE OR BUILD NEW SCHOOLS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING HOW IS THE INTEREST RATES GOING TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO PAY THAT OFF?

>> I THINK YOU'’RE GOING TO SEE INTEREST RATES BEGIN TO COME DOWN.

NOT TO DISAGREE WITH THE FORMER MAYOR HERE BUT, AND HE IS MORE ECONOMICALLY LEARNED -- SUE: HE'’S IN THE BUSINESS.

>> INFLATION IS REAL.

INFLATION IS DOWN TO 4%, I THINK YOU WILL SEE THE FED TAPER.

MAYBE THEY KEPT IT HIGHER LITTLE LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE.

THERE WASN'’T A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES.

IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL THING, WE CAN BUILD AND EDUCATE.

$40 MILLION FOR A LIFE-SCIENCES BUILDING AND A FEW MILLION FOR EDUCATION.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE SCHOOLS.

THAT DOESN'’T MEAN WE CAN'’T MAKE WISE INVESTMENTS IN OUR ECONOMIC FUTURE.

>> I WAS AT THE CHAMBER BREAKFAST, SHELDON WHITEHOUSE TALKED ABOUT THE STORY.

WHAT ABOUT TIDEWATER LANDING?

THE SUPERMAN BUILDING?

YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF DEVELOPMENT.

A LOT OF DISTRICTS HAVE BASED PROJECTIONS ON LOW INTEREST RATES.

WHAT ABOUT THE SENATOR'’S COMMENTS?

>> HE'’S RIGHT.

HE GOT THAT BILL PASSED SO HE COULD DO HEDGING ON STOCKS, WITH THE PENSION SYSTEM BECAUSE IT IS SHAKY.

INTEREST RATES WENT UP.

THEY HAD TO SUSPEND.

THERE WAS THE RIGHT THING.

INTEREST RATES ARE KILLING PROJECTS.

THE SUPERMAN BUILDING, I WOULD LIKE THE LEADERS TO LISTEN.

I HATE TO GIVE ADVICE WHEN I AM NOT ASKED FOR IT.

>> I WILL ASK YOU FOR.

>> I THINK THEY ARE HANDLIG IT THE WRONG WAY.

MARY THEM OR SHOOT THEM, ONE OR THE OTHER.

[LAUGHTER] GET A DIVORCE OR MARRY THE GUY.

YOU ARE GOING TO SAY T HIM, SHOW ME WHERE YOUR FINANCING IS.

I WANT PROOF ON PAPER, IN WRITING, WHAT COMMITMENT YOU HAVE TO DO FINANCING.

I WANT TO KNOW THE CONTRACTOR.

TELL ME THE GAP THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED.

INSTEAD, THE GUY CAME IN, SAID I NEED THIS MUCH MONEY, THEY GAVE IT TO HIM, HE NEVE GOT PRIVATE FINANCING.

THEY DID IT OPPOSITE.

IT WAS BAD.

I WOULD PUT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, THE GOVERNOR, THE MAYOR, DEVELOPMENT, LOCK THE DOOR, THE COPOUT SIDE THE DOOR, NOBODY LEAVES UNTIL A DEAL IS MADE THAT WE KNOW.

>> WOULD YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO EAT?

>> MAYBE.

[LAUGHTER] SUE: TIDEWATER LANDING?

>> THE SUPERMAN BUILDING AND THE RIPPLE EFFECT ALL OF THIS WILL HAVE LOCALLY.

SUE: IT WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT LOCALLY.

ICONIC BUILDING IN PROVIDENCE.

IT IS VACANT.

I DON'’T DISAGREE IT SHOULD BE RENOVATED.

WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING.

FINANCING WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR ALL DEVELOPERS.

TIDEWATER LANDING.

SOMEONE DIDN'’T DO DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE BUILDING AND MAKE SURE THE FINANCING WAS THERE AND AVAILABLE AND WHAT THE COMMITMENT WAS.

THE DEVELOPER IN THE PROJECT HAS A SHAKY BACKGROUND.

NO ONE LOOKED AT THAT.

>> NO HE DOESN'’T.

>> SHAKY.

>> HE'’S A SUCCESSFUL GUY.

HE'’S CAUTIOUS.

I WOULDN'’T TAKE A SHOT AT HIM FOR BEING SHAKY OR SHADY OR ANYTHING.

HE'’S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

HE'’S GOT GOOD INVESTORS.

THE STATE NEEDS TO GRAB THE BALL, PUT EVERYONE IN A ROOM AND POUND OUT A DEAL.

HOUSING IS CRITICAL.

WHEN THE OMNI HOTEL WAS BUILT, IT WAS THE WESTERN.

THE STATE BACKED ALL THE BONDS.

THE STATE ID WELL ON IT WHEN THEY SOLD IT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

THE STATE MAY HAVE TO GET BEHIND THE BONDS ON THE SUPERMAN BUILDING AND MAYBE THE CITY ALSO.

IT'’S NOT STUDIO 38.

YOU HAVE REAL ESTATE, SUBSIDIES, EQUITY, PROPERTY.

RIGHT NOW, HOUSING BEING SO NEEDED, THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO GET INTEREST RATES DOWN.

>> THE PROBLEM WITH SUPERMAN BUILDING ADDITIONALLY IS WHEN THE ORIGINAL DEAL WAS CUT, THE EXPERTS SAID THERE IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY.

THERE WAS A SENSE THEY WOULD COME BACK FOR MORE MONEY.

PART OF IT, SOMETIMES THERE ARE UNFORESEEABLE EVENTS.

LET'’S GET THE REAL COSTS TO THE TAXPAYER IN THE FIRST DEAL AND NOT BE MAKING THREE OR FOUR OTHER DEALS.

AT THIS POINT, JOE HAS MADE SENSIBLE SUGGESTIONS.

I'’M MORE ENCOURAGED ABOUT THE TYPE OF PROJECT, JOHNSON'’S COMMITMENT TO IT IS EVIDENT, BRYANT, THE TEAM.

>> AND THE WORK IS CONTINUING.

>> THAT ONE I AM MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT.

SUE: THE INITIAL PLAN FOR TIDEWATER, IT'’S COMPREHENSIVE FOR HOUSING, MARKETING AND RETAIL.

>> THAT GOT PUT OFF.

SUE: THAT WAS NOT A BAD IDEA.

YOU NEED MORE HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT PLAN WAS GREAT.

TWO SKINNY IT DOWN JUST TO HAVE A SOCCER STADIUM.

I WAS A SOCCER PLAYER.

LOVE SOCCER.

I'’M NOT GOING UP TO PUT BUCKET.

>> YOU LIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

SUE: IT'’S ALMOST OUT-OF-STATE.

>> I'’M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT BUT I DON'’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROJECT.

>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THERE'’S A COUPLE THINGS BY THE WAYSIDE.

THE LONG TALKED ABOUT TWEAKS TO THE OFFICER'’S BILL OF RIGHTS, THE POLICEMAN'’S BILL OF RIGHTS, PTSD FOR FIREFIGHTERS.

WE'’VE FOLLOWED LEGISLATURE.

WHAT DRIVES ME NUTS IS IT IS JUNE 15.

THE SPEAKER SAYS THIS IS IT, WE'’VE GOT TO BE DONE TONIGHT.

I'’M NOT SURE THAT BILL WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OVER THE FINISH LINE.

I DON'’T KNOW WHAT THIS ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE IS THAT ONCE THE BUDGET PASSES, IT'’S LIKE THE DRAIN OPENS.

THERE WAS GOOD LEGISLATION UP THERE THAT GOT LEFT ON THE TABLE, THAT IF THEY HAD ANOTHER WEEK OR COUPLE DAYS MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH.

>> THAT'’S FAIR ON THE OTHER HAND, DEADLINES CONCENTRATE THINGS.

>> WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN FEBRUARY?

MARCH?

APRIL?

MAY?

THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET IS THEY TRADE CHIPS ON THE BUDGET BUT WHY CAN'’T THEY DO IMPORTANT STUFF, LIKE THE TRUCK TOOLS, THAT WAS NOT IN FEBRUARY, WHY CAN'’T THEY DO POLICEMAN'’S BILL OF RIGHTS IN APRIL?

>> YOU ARE RIGHT.

I'’M NOT TRYING TO DEFEND IT.

IT'’S HOWEVER LEGISLATOR -- LOOK WHAT HAPPENED ON THE DEFAULT.

LAST-MINUTE.

WE DODGED A BULLET ON THE FIREMEN'’S BILL, AS MUCH AS PTSD ISRAEL AND FIREFIGHTERS DO CREATORS WORK, IT'’S A RECIPE TO GO BACK TO THE FUTURE, BACK TO THE BATTLE DAYS AND HAVE UNAFFORDABLE PENSIONS AGAIN.

POLICEMAN'’S BILL OF RIGHTS IS ALWAYS TRICKY.

I DON'’T KNOW IF YOU COULD HAMMER IT OUT IN WEEKS.

>> I MOVED.

>> YOU HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH FIREFIGHTERS.

SUE: I'’VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF IT.

IT COULD BE A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

WE'’VE SEEN IT PASS IN OTHER STATES.

IT BECOMES A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

I'’M A FIRM BELIEVER IT SHOULD BE CHANGED IN SOME WAY.

LEADERSHIP LET'’S BILLS GO THEY REALLY WANT TO HAPPEN AND OTHER THINGS THEY ARE TRADING BACK AND FORTH.

I THINK GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT COMPROMISE.

WHEN YOU PUT THINGS IN, THERE WERE GOOD COMPROMISE ON THE LEE BOARD BILL THAT NEVER SAW THE LIGHT OF DAY.

>> IT WAS A CHAMBER THING.

DID YOU HAVE ISSUES WHEN YOU ARE MAYOR WITH POLICEMAN'’S BILL OF RIGHTS?

>> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE TWEAKING IT.

I AM PRO CITIZEN AND PRO COP.

IF YOU NEED DISCIPLINE, YOU NEED TO TAKE ACTION QUICKLY.

POLICEMAN'’S BILL OF RIGHTS SOMETIMES GETS IN THE WAY OF DISCIPLINING THAT OFFICER.

WE WANT GOOD COPS.

THE WORST THING IS A BAD COP.

I'’M PROUD OF THE COPS WE HAVE SEEN.

WE'’VE HAD SOME BAD APPLES, A FEW.

COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT, TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO LEADERSHIP OF THE POLICE, TO COMPROMISE WITH THEM IS IMPORTANT.

>> ON THE LEGISLATURE, YOU'’VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF CAMPAIGNS.

THEY INCREASED THE DONATION LIMITS.

I'’VE HEARD ARGUMENTS EACH SIDE, 1000 TO 2000, ALSO THE AMOUNT YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

>> I WOULD SPLIT THE BABY.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DOUBLING.

>> $2000 PER PERSON PER YEAR.

>> IT IS STILL RELATIVELY LOW RELATIVE TO OTHER STATES, SINCE IT WAS PASSED.

I DON'’T HAVE AN ISSUE.

YOU CAN PLAY A LOT OF GAMES WITH ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTIONS.

THERE ARE 100 WAYS TO SLICE THE APPLES.

I'’M FOR MORE DISCLOSURE, NOT LESS.

I DON'’T BUY PEOPLE WANT TO CONTRIBUTING, THEY DON'’T WANT THEIR NAMES OUT THERE.

DON'’T GIVE.

THAT'’S PUBLIC'’S RIGHT TO KNOW.

>> SUPPORT THEM IN OTHER WAYS.

SUE: I DON'’T CARE IF THE LIMIT WAS $10,000 BUT I AGREE WITH ROB.

TRANSPARENCY.

THAT'’S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.

WHO'’S GIVING MONEY TO THES CANDIDATES?

ARE THEY EXERTING?

>> SUE AGREEING WITH ROB AND JOE.

WE'’VE GOT TO PUT THIS IN THE VAULT.

>> EVERYONE IS GOING TO CALL ME, CAN YOU MAX OUT?

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU LOOKED AT IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.

>> TOTALLY.

>> IT WAS A BUSY NEWSDAY THURSDAY.

I CALL AT THE PHILADELPHIA FOLLOW.

EVERYONE KNOWS BY NOW.

THE TWO STATE EMPLOYEES WHO EMBARRASSED RHODE ISLAND.

THE ONE WHO WAS STILL EMPLOYED AT $175,000 PER YEAR, DAVID PATTON PUT IN HIS RESIGNATION, SO HE COULD NEVER WORK IN RHODE ISLAND AGAIN.

I DON'’T KNOW IF THEY WILL HAVE TROOPERS AT THE BORDER IF HE TRIES TO GET IN.

THE DEAL WAS BAD FROM THE BEGINNING.

THE GOVERNOR HAD A 10TIN EAR.

I DON'’T THINK HE REALIZED THE GRAVITY.

IT BECAME A NATIONAL STORY.

SUE: HIS TEAM COULD HAVE HANDLED IT BETTER.

THEY TOOK MY SHYING AWAY.

I LIKE TO FILE ETHICS COMPLAINTS AGAINST PEOPLE.

THE ETHICS COMMISSION FILED.

>> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT?

SUE: EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A BUSY JOB.

THEY ARE FOCUSED ON OTHER ISSUES.

I WANT TO COMMEND THEM.

>> WASHINGTON POST, NEW YORK TIMES, PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER.

NOT THE KIND OF PUBLICITY WE NEED.

>> PEOPLE WANT TO JUMP ON THE GOVERNOR.

HE'’S GOT PERSONAL MATTERS.

SOMETHING WITH SOMEBODY'’S ILLNESS, YOU CAN'’T JUST TAKE ACTION THE WAY YOU MAY WANT TO DO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

YOU HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

THE FIRST PERSON TO COME BACK TO BITE YOU WILL BE COMMON BECAUSE, THE AG OR THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

THE END RESULT WAS A GENTLEMAN RESIGNED.

EVERYONE WANTS TO JUMP ON SOMEBODY.

I KNOW THAT GENTLEMAN.

I WORKED WITH HIM.

HE WAS ALWAYS A PRO WHEN I WORKED WITH HIM.

HE PROBABLY HAD A BAD DAY.

THAT COST HIM HIS LIVELIHOOD.

SUE: COUPLE BAD DAYS I THINK.

>> MY BROTHER LIVES IN PHILLY.

HE GETS TO SEND ME EMAIL.

PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER STORIES.

WHAT'’S GOING ON IN PROVIDENCE, DUDE?

AT LEAST IT ENDED IN A SENSIBLE WAY, WHICH IS HE RESIGNED.

HE MAY HAVE LEGAL ISSUES.

IT'’S ONE THING TO HAVE THE INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR.

THE OTHER THING, IF YOU WANT THE $55 MILLION -- >> EXTORTION.

>> IT WASN'’T A BAG OF CASH.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL GET NAVIGATED AND WHATEVER ISSUES HE IS HAVING, MEDICAL ISSUES, SOME BEHAVIORAL ISSUES, GET ADDRESSED.

AT LEAST IT ENDED IN A SENSIBLE WAY.

SUE: I WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR THE BEAUTIFUL OCEAN STATE WE HAVE.

I HATE THESE NEGATIVE STORES.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL STATE.

WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT, SUCH GREAT THINGS TO DO ALL SUMMER.

>> DOES THAT MAKE YOU WANT TO EAT VEGAN CHEESE?

SUE: I DON'’T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

>> WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

OUTRAGEOUS AND/OR KUDOS.

ROB: VERY QUICK.

SPEAKER MCCARTHY, THE HARDEST JOB IN POLITICS.

KUDOS FOR THE BIPARTISAN DEAL THAT AVOIDED DEFAULT.

COURAGEOUS ACTION.

OUTRAGE OF THE SILLIEST, AND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY EXPLANATIONS AND DEFENSES OF DONALD TRUMP AND THE DOCUMENTS INDICTMENTS CASE, SAYING HE HAD IT IN THE BATHROOM, WHICH WAS KEVIN MCCARTHY'’S TAKE ON IT, HAS TO BE UP THERE AS THE MOST ABSURD.

>> JOE?

JOE: I WILL CONGRATULATE THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR WITH REGARDS TO THE LIFE SCIENCES.

I THINK THAT'’S A GAME CHANGER FOR BUSINESS IN THE STATE.

WE HAVE TO BUILD OFF OUR STRENGTH.

MEDICINE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

I DON'’T LIKE WHAT THE FED IS DOING WITH INTEREST RATE.

THEY ARE STOPPING PROGRESS.

THEY ARE TO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF WORK, STOP CONSTRUCTION.

IT'’S IMPORTANT FOR RHODE ISLAND.

WE ARE ALWAYS THE FIRST ONE IN A RECESSION AND THE LAST ONE OUT.

WE HAVE TO TAKE THE BALL SOMETIMES AND DRIVE IT OURSELVES.

THE FED IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN.

THEY DON'’T WANT TO HAVE INFLATION BUT THEY ARE GOING OVERBOARD WITH THIS.

>> SUE?

SUE: KUDOS, THE THREE GENTLEMAN ON THE PANEL A HAPPY FATHER'’S DAY.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SUE: ENJOY THE DAY.

I HOPE YOU GET TO DO NOTHING.

I WISH THE WEATHER WAS BETTER.

THE OUTRAGE WAS THE PRIDE EVENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

ACTORS THERE OVERSTEPPED.

IT IS THE HALLOWED GROUND, THE WHITE HOUSE.

IT BELONGS TO ALL OF US.

THE WAY THEY BEHAVED WAS OUTRAGEOUS.

>> THERE WAS SOME REMOVING OF CLOTHING.

SUE: THERE WAS NUDITY.

>> AT THE WHITE HOUSE?

NOT GOOD.

>> ANOTHER SOURCE OF AGREEMENT OVER HERE.

2.5 MINUTES LEFT.

CD1.

THE FILING DEADLINE, COUPLE WEEKS AWAY.

SNOOZE FEST.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT WILL BE INTERESTING.

SUE: TWO WEEKS AWAY.

>> KEEP YOUR EYE ON WHAT JOE WILL BE DOING.

>> YOU THINK HE'’S GOING TO JUMP?

>> I HOPE HE DOESN'’T.

I THINK THE STATE NEEDS HIM HERE.

OUTSTANDING JOB.

I'’M SURE FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, LEGISLATURE'’S BEHIND HIM, I'’M SURE HE WILL GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT.

IF HE DOES, THAT RACE CHANGES.

SUE: IT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY.

>> A LOT OF MONEY.

>> YOUR SUCCESSOR SAYS HE HAS SOMEONE CLOSE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIDE INTEL?

SUE: GARY LEONARD HAS FILED.

PROBABLY MAKE A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT SOMETIME IN JULY.

HE'’S OUT THERE NOW, HE HAS THE ABILITY TO RAISE MONEY.

ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, WHO HAS NAME RECOGNITION?

SABINA MATOS POLLED HIGHER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

>> THAT WAS INTERNAL.

SUE: WHO HAS THE NAME RECOGNITION?

HER.

>> AND JOE.

SUE: WELL -- >> ACUTE ANALYSIS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY.

[LAUGHTER] SUE: I PAY ATTENTION.

>> I THINK IT WAS AN INTERNAL POLL BUT IT IS INTERESTING.

MR. AND MISSES UNDECIDED'’S, THIS IS STILL ANYBODY'’S RACE.

THOSE ARE THE FAVORITES.

IF SOMEONE, CARLSEN HAS MONEY, GABE.

THIS RACE IS UP FOR GRABS.

>> HOW DO YOU APPROACH THIS AS A POLITICAL STRATEGIST?

THE SUMMER.

PEOPLE AREN'’T PAYING ATTENTION.

IS IT SOCIAL MEDIA?

PEOPLE AREN'’T WATCHING TV.

HOW DO YOU GET OUT THERE?

>> TV RATINGS GO DOWN BUT SO DOES THE COST OF TELEVISION.

IF YOU HAVE REAL MONEY, LIKE CARLSEN SAYS HE HAS, I WOULD GET UP ON TV AND AMPLIFY.

SUE: STEPHEN CASEY HAS THE UNION BACKING.

THAT'’S GOING TO BE KEY IN THIS RACE.

IT'’S GOING TO BE A LOW TURNOUT.

WHOEVER GETS THERE PEOPLE OUT, IF YOU GOT UNION SUPPORT, THAT'’S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO BEAT.

JIM: THAT'’S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE.

JOE, SUE, ROB, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.

IT WILL TAKE THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID ON THE LAST NIGHT.

WE WILL BE HERE FOR FULL ANALYSIS, STICK WITH US IN THE COMING WEEKS.

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