>> THIS WEEK ON A LIVELY EXPERIMENT, PLOT THICKENS ON THE SIGNATURE SCANDAL IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT RACE.

AND WHAT IS THE FUTURE FOR THE CRANSTON STREET ARMORY?

>> A LIVELY EXPERIMENT IS GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> HELLO.

I AM JOHN HAZEN WHITE JUNIOR.

A LIVELY EXPERIMENT HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT AND ANALYSIS ON POLITICAL ISSUES THAT FACE RHODE ISLANDERS.

I'’M A PROUD SUPPORTER OF THIS PROGRAM AND RHODE ISLAND PBS.

>> JOINING US ON THE PANEL, KEN BLOCK, FOUNDER OF THE NONPROFIT GROUP WATCHDOG RI, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WENDY SCHILLER, AND POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR BOB WALSH.

HELLO AND WELCOME TO LIVELY.

I AM JIM HUMMEL.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT RACE HAS TAKEN A BACKSEAT TO LINGERING QUESTIONS ABOUT BOGUS SIGNATURES PROVIDED BY THE SABIA MATOS CAMPAIGN TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

THE PROCESS LEFT MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS, BUT MATOS CONTINUES TO RACK UP ENDORSEMENTS.

WILL THE CONTROVERSY STILL BE ON THE VOTERS MINDS A LITTLE OVER A MONTH FROM NOW?

IT'’S A CRYSTAL BALL QUESTION BUT HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT HER CAMPAIGN GOING FORWARD?

>> IN THIS RACE, VOTERS WHO HAVE ALREADY CAST VOTES FOR SOMEBODY LIKE MATOS, THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE IT, AND THEY WANT TO AFFIRM THEIR OWN CHOICES.

WHY WOULDN'’T YOU VOTE FOR HER FOR CONGRESS?

SO PUSHING THOSE PEOPLE OFF SABINA MATOS IS THE CHALLENGE THE OTHER CANDIDATES FACE.

I DON'’T THINK SHE HANDLED IT WELL.

I'’M NOT A FAN OF BLAMING CAMPAIGN MANAGERS OR CONTRACT STAFF.

IF THERE'’S A MISTAKE, YOU SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF.

THAT BOTHERED ME.

WHETHER IT BOTHERS ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR OTHERS, WE WILL SEE.

>> YOU HAVE ADVISED A LOT OF CANDIDATES.

I DON'’T THINK IT COULD HAVE ROLLED OUT WORSE LAST FRIDAY.

OR IS THAT JUST THE MEDIA?

>> THREE QUICK POINTS ON IT.

I TWEETED LAST WEEK THAT ALL CAMPAIGNS TO SOME EXTENT OUR GLASS HOUSES, SO THE OTHER OPPONENTS SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT THROWING STONES THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO ANY CAMPAIGN.

A BAD STAFFER, A BAD HIRE, CAN IMPACT THE ENTIRE OPERATION.

I TOO WAS THINKING MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A PRESS CONFERENCE EVERY DAY AND THEN I WATCHED THE PRESS CONFERENCE FRIDAY AND I DID NOT KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

IT ALMOST GOES TO THE AVERAGE LEVEL, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FORMER TALK RADIO HOST AND SOMEONE WHO'’S ESSENTIALLY A BLOGGER NOT ASKING MEDIA QUESTIONS BUT BULLYING CANDIDATES WHO ARE DOING A PRESS CONFERENCE, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS GREAT TRAINING FOR SABINA MATOS, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING THE EQUIVALENT OF LAUREN BOEBERT AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE ASKING QUESTIONS, AND THE LEGITIMATE MEDIA HAS TO BE INCREDIBLE HE FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR REAL QUESTIONS IN -- TO BE INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR REAL QUESTIONS IN WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE HARANGUING THE CANDIDATE.

I DON'’T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT IN THIS NEW MEDIA WORLD OF OURS.

THE THIRD POINT, WHEN HE TOUCHED UPON, IF YOU ALREAD VOTED FOR SABINA MATOS, THIS PROBABLY WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR MIND.

AT MOST 30,000 PEOPLE WILL VOTE IN THIS RACE.

I THINK ARE PROBABLY STILL 10,000 VOTES ACCESSIBLE TO NOT ONLY SABINA MATOS, ERIC RICK BERG, AND TWO OF THE REMAINING CANDIDATS HAVE A SHOT AT COMING AROUND.

WITH APOLOGIES TO THE OTHERS.

IT'’S JUST THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK WITH RESOURCES AND TIME-LIMITED.

>> SHE COULD NOT HAVE HANDLED IT WORSE.

AS A CANDIDATE, THE RIGHT ANSWER WOULD HAVE BEEN I AM RAISING MONEY, DOING A LOT OF THINGS.

THE SIGNATURE COLLECTION WAS OUTSOURCED TO STAFF AND OTHER PEOPLE.

THEY DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB.

THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I WELCOME A FULL INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED AND WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> WE WELCOME A FULL INVESTIGATION.

WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> WOULDN'’T BE REFRESHING -- NOTE THIS DOES NOT OCCUR TO ANYBODY, TO SAY I'’M TRYING TO BE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND ALSO A CANDIDATE.

I WILL SUSPEND TAKING MY SALARY AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS EVEN THOUGH I'’M WORKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO KEEP MY EYE ON ONE BALL AND I CANNOT KEEP MY EYE ON 10 BALLS.

>> ONE OF MY BIGGEST BEEFS WITH HOW POLITICS WORKS, NOT JUST HERE BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IS AN INCUMBENT OFFICEHOLDER IN ANY OFFICE GETS A FREE RIDE ON THE TAXPAYERS TO NOT DO THEIR CRRENT JOB AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO CAMPAIGN FOR ANOTHER SEAT AND IT'’S VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT HOLD ELECTED OFFICE AND HAS TO FEED THEIR FAMILY AND DO OTHER THINGS TO BE ABLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE SAME CHUNK OF TIME TO EXECUTE A CAMPAIGN IN THE SAME WAY.

IT'’S VERY DIFFICULT.

>> I DISAGREE IN TERMS OF A CAMPAIGN STRATEGY BECAUSE MATOS TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND HER FAMILY ARE NOT WEALTHY PEOPLE.

IF YOU SAY I CAN AFFORD TO NOT TAKE A SALARY FOR THIS JOB IT ALIENATES YOU FROM YOUR CORE CONSTITUENCY.

THAT SORT OF RUNS COUNTER TO HER IMAGE.

ONE-ON-ONE, SABINA MATOS, WE HAD HER IN FOR A ONE-ON-ONE, SHE'’S EXCELLENT, ON GAME.

THESE PRESS CONFERENCES AND DEBATES DON'’T GO AS WELL FOR HER BUT ONE-ON-ONE OR IN A SMALL GROUP SETTING, SHE'’S GOOD.

YOU THINK, COULD SHE BE PERSUASIVE IN CONGRESS?

PUBLICLY MAYBE SHE'’S A BETTER SPEECH MAKER BUT ONE-ON-ONE I THINK SHE COULD BE EFFECTIVE.

SHE HAS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SELL THAT TO THE REMAINING DOUBTERS.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOW NUMBER OF THE TURNOUT.

NOW THE UNION ENDORSEMENTS ARE COMING IN.

I JOKED LAST WEEK I WONDER IF MAYBE THEY WISHED THEY HAD HELD BACK.

SO WHAT'’S THAT GOING TO MEAN IN TERMS OF GROUNDING?

THE ENDORSEMENTS, WE GET THEM.

>> PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW UNIQUE A SINGLE CANDIDATE OR A SINGLE POSITION SPECIAL ELECTION IS.

NOT ONLY DO YOU NEED TO ADVERTISE AND GET PEOPLE'’S ATTENTION.

YOU NEED THE MOTIVATIONAL IMPACT TO GET THEM TO GO OUT AND CAST A BALLOT, EITHER EARLY ABSENTEE OR ON ELECTION DAY.

THIS IS NOT ADVERTISING KNOWING THERE'’S GOING TO BE A BIG ELECTION.

WHILE YOU ARE THERE, WE WILL GIVE JIM HUMMEL A SHOT.

YOU KNOW, MEDIA IS IMPORTANT.

FOUR OR FIVE OF THE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO HAVE, IN RELATIVE TERMS, A ROBUST TV PRESENCE AIDED BY OUTSIDE MONEY FROM THE OUTSIDE GROUPS THAT CAN DO INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES, THE WAY IT WORKS IN A FEDERAL CAMPAIGN, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO FINISH IN THE TOP FIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MEDIA.

WHAT'’S GOING TO SEPARATE AS THE GROUND GAME GETTING UP THE BOAT.

AARON RITTENBERG IS RUNNING VIRTUALLY ALONE IN THE LEFT LANE.

THE BERNIE SANDERS ENDORSEMENT IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE BERNIE ACTUALLY BEAT HILLARY CLINTON IN 2016 IN THE PRIMARY HERE, INCLUDING IN PLACES LIKE NORTH PROVIDENCE, SO YOU CANNOT JUST GO WITH NORMAL ASSUMPTIONS.

SABINA MATOS IS IN FACT THE FRONT RUNNER.

THAT 20% IN THE POLLS IS A PRETTY GOOD STARTING BASE.

SENATOR KONTA HAS A BASE IN NANTUCKET.

THE NEA ENDORSED HER, WHICH PROBABLY HAS 6000 MEMBERS IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, AND THE UNITED NURSES AND ALLIED PROFESSIONALS SUPPORT HER.

>> THEY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY TELL THEM ON THE ENDORSEMENT?

>> WE HAVE IN MY OLD JOB A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF TURNING ENDORSEMENTS INTO VOTES ON ANY SINGLE ISSUE THAT'’S NOT NECESSARILY -- INTO VOTES.

ON ANY SINGLE ISSUE, THAT'’S NOT NECESSARILY ENOUGH TO WIN AN ELECTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM 8 -- 12 PEOPLE IN THE RACE -- BOTTOM EIGHT, COMBINED, THEY WILL STILL GET OVER 20% OF THE VOTE.

YOU WILL HAVE TO PUT ONE OF THE TOP FIVE IN THE BOTTOM EIGHT, SO TO SPEAK.

>> CARLSEN IS PUTTING IN A PILE OF MONEY.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME MEDIA.

DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET TRACTION?

>> GAVE ON A -- GABOMO MAYBE STARTED TOO LATE.

THERE'’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY RHODE ISLAND IS A DIVERSE STATE.

WE HAVE AN ALL WHITE MALE DELEGATION AS IT IS.

LET'’S SEND A VOICE TO THE HOUSE THAT'’S MORE DESCRIPTIVELY REPRESENTATIVE OF DIVERSITY.

I THINK THEY COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

SABINA MATOS COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

SO I THINK THAT'’S A LANE THEY HAVE NOT OCCUPIED THE DOES NOT REALLY TURN OFF ANYBODY.

IT'’S A REALITY WE ARE A DIVERSE STATE AND MAY PICK YOU UP SOME BOATS.

SABINA MATOS HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT SHE'’S A WOMAN.

SHE MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THAT, BUT IN HER INTERVIEW, SHE WILL SAY I'’M NOT JUST RUNNING AS -- >> THINK ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE IMPACT OF EMILY ENGSTLER LIST.

THEY LEARNED A PAINFUL LESSON IN MASSACHUSETTS.

EMILY'’S LIST SO WE LIKE ALL THE WOMEN AND NONE OF THE MEN OF SINGLING OUT ONE CANDIDATE.

I EXPECT THEM TO MAKE UP FOR THE MISTAKE IN MASSACHUSETTS AND SPEND REAL MONEY AND I THINK THAT WILL BE THE MESSAGE.

>> THOUGHTS ABOUT THE OTHERS?

>> THERE ARE SO MANY.

>> SO MANY THOUGHTS OR CANDIDATES?

>> THERE'’S SO MANY CANDIDATES.

THEY ARE FIGHTING OVER A TINY NUMBER OF VOTES.

ANYBODY CAN WIN IT, HONESTLY.

WHOEVER WINS IT IS GOING TO WIN AND NOT HAVE A TRUE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF RHODE ISLANDERS VOTING FOR THEM.

I LOOK AT THIS AND HOPE THAT IT'’S A TEMPORARY ELECTION IN THAT THERE'’S A REPRESENTATIVE ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT OFF-CAMERA.

YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE PLACEHOLDER AND NEXT YEAR IT ROLLS OUT MORE LIKE A REGULAR CAMPAIGN.

>> I WOULD EXPECT SO AND I WOULD EXPECT SOME BIGGER NAMES TO ENGAGE IN A RACE WHERE THE TURNOUT WILL NOT BE A 5000 OR 10,000 BUT WHEN.

>> YOU AND I DISAGREE ON THAT.

I THINK THERE WILL BE EXTRAORDINARY PRESSURE, CONSUMING -- PRESSURE, ASSUMING ONE OF THE TOP FOUR CANDIDATES PREVAILS, WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH MISCHIEF GOING ON IN ORDER TO REELECT THE PRESIDENT AND TAKE CONGRESS BACK.

THERE'’S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF ROOM FOR MISCHIEF IN A SEAT THAT'’S OTHERWISE SAFE.

>> YOU HAVE CAP YOUR EYE FOR YEARS ON THE SECRETARY OF pSTATE'’S OFFICE, THE MOTOROLA'’S -- THE VOTER ROLL LIST.

I HAVE GIVEN THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT.

I THOUGHT THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING WILL SIGNATURE AND HUNTED.

>> IT'’S THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS'’ RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE SIGNATURE BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS OVERSEES THE OPERATIONS OF THE BOARDS OF CAMPUS OR -- OF CANVASERS, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT SOME BOARDS HAVE REALLY MISFIRED WHEN IT CAME TO MATCHING AND CONFIRMING THE ACCURACY OF SOME SIGNATURES ON NOMINATION PAPERS.

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS SHOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHY THIS MALFUNCTION OCCURRED AND WHAT WILL BE DONE TO FIX IT BECAUSE WE RELY ON SIGNATURE MATCHING TO BE THE ONLY FORM OF SECURITY THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR MAIL BALLOTS AND IF WE ARE NOT DOING THE MATCHING CORRECTLY ON THE NOMINATION PAPERS IT IS A VALID CONCERN TO BE WORRIED THAT THE BOARDS OF CAMPUS -- OF CANVASSERS ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB ON MAIL BALLOTS.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT WRONG AND WHAT WILL BE DONE TO ENSURE THIS DOES NOT GO WRONG AGAIN AND THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT.

>> THERE ARE INVESTIGATIONS, THOUGH.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND STATE POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING THE SIGNATURE ISSUE.

THAT GETS TO THE ISSUE OF HOW MANY TOWNS AND CITIES AND SEPARATE GOVERNMENTS WE HAVE IN RHODE ISLAND.

ONE COULD THINK A STATE THIS SIZE COULD HANDLE IT AND CENTRALIZE.

>> THERE'’S ABSOLUTELY A TECHNOLOGY-BASED SOLUTION TO MAKE THIS EASIER EVEN IF YOU KEEP THE CURRENT 500 SIGNATURES OR 500 PEOPLE SAYING I WANT THIS CANDIDATE TO BE IN.

I DISAGREE WITH KEN.

I THINK THE PROCESS IS A LOT MORE RIGOROUS.

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO TRUST ELECTIONS.

EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE HOW IT WORKS AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT -- THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE MIGHT BE A USEFUL TOOL, TO SIGNATURE MATC HING, FEED IT INTO THE MACHINE.

>> I THINK THIS DISRUPTS PEOPLE'’S CONFIDENCE IN THE VOTING SYSTEM.

THAT IS TRUE.

WE HAVE FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SAYING GET OUT THERE EARLY.

THEY REALLY CLEARLY, CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A DISADVANTAGE THEY HAVE, PARTICULARLY IN EARLY VOTING, AND THEY RESTRICTED EARLY VOTING IN SOME STATES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE SOME CONSTITUENCIES, PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATIC, DON'’T VOTE.

THEY HAVE CUT OUT SUNDAYS IN SOME CASES.

NOW THEY ARE FIGURING OUT WE HAVE CUT OUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE.

THIS IS A MISTAKE.

SO I'’M CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT PERCEPTION OF SUSPICION ON MAIL-IN BALLOTS AND EARLY VOTING BECAUSE REPUBLICANS NEED THAT TO HAPPEN TO WIN.

>> EARLY VOTING IS NOT UNDER SUSPICION BECAUSE YOU STILL GO TO YOUR CITY OR TOWN HALL.

I WILL BE FASCINATED -- WE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ON UNTIL AFTER THE PRIMARY.

THE ANALYSIS OF THE EARLY VOTE, ABSENTEE VOTE AND ELECTION DAY VOTE IN THIS VERY SPECIAL PURPOSE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WILL BE IMPORTANT.

>> A LOT OF THE EARLY VOTING -- THERE WAS CRITICISM, 20 DAYS.

I THINK A LOT OF IT CAME IN THE LAST FOUR TO FIVE DAYS.

>> WITH DUE RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO WIN, THERE IS -- THEY ARE ALL GOING TO GET VOTES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN -- THAT HOLD ELECTED OFFICE AND RUN BEFORE.

WE ARE GOING TO WORK HARD.

THEY ARE GOING TO GET VOTES BUT THAT REDUCES THE OVERALL MAGIC WIN NUMBER BECAUSE IT TAKES AT LEAST 20% OF THE VOTE OFF THE TABLE FROM THOSE BOTTOM EIGHT CANDIDATES.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK.

THE ACCESS BILL IS ALREADY HAVING AN IMPACT.

PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO TEST IT ON BEACHES.

THERE'’S NOW A COURT CHALLENGE.

AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OFF-CAMERA BEFORE, THIS IS THE NORTH SOUTH, 10 FEET UP.

YOU HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE EAST-WEST, THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO GET TO THE BEACH.

>> YOU TRY TO DEAL WITH A SOCIETAL ISSUE LIKE BEACH ACCESS.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT IN INCREMENTAL BITES.

THE BILL THAT GOT PAST LAST SESSION CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THE PIECE OF THE BEACH ALONG WHICH PEOPLE CAN WALK ALONG THE BEACH.

BEFORE WE HAD THAT, IT WAS A MESS AND IT WAS NOT CLEAR WHO COULD WALK WHERE.

>> HIGH TIDE.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO NOW THE PROBLEM IS, AND OUR HOMETOWN IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF WHAT'’S BROKEN HERE, IN BARRINGTON, WE HAVE I THINK SEVERAL DOZEN PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY TO THE BEACH OR SHORELINE.

MOST OF THOSE PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PARKING BAN AROUND THEM SUCH THAT YOU CANNOT PARK WITHIN A MILE OF SOME OF THESE PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY, SO IS IT A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY -- BY THE WAY, PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY PLACE IN TOWN WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING LIKE THIS IS AROUND RIGHTS-OF-WAY.

SO THIS IS A FIGHT AND IT'’S NOT JUST HERE.

IT'’S A FIGHT IN SOUTH COUNTY, WHERE WE HAVE BEACHES THAT HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVELY PRIVATIZED BY PRETEND FIREFIGHTING ORGANIZATIONS AND ON AND ON AND ON.

THERE'’S A LOT FURTHER TO GO.

THERE'’S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE TWISTED UP AND WRONG WITH PUBLIC ACCESS TO OR SHORELINE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO PICK -- TO OUR SHORELINE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO PICK APART AND DEAL WITH, THE ABILITY TO GET YOURSELF NEAR TO ONE OF THESE PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY, SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE SHORE AND WALK ALONG THAT STRETCH.

>> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ASK YOURSELF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THESE FAMILY COTTAGES ALONG THE BEACHES WHERE THEY HAVE THIS PRIVATE ENCASED -- THEY LIKE IT THE WAY THEY LIKE IT AND I'’M A TRANSPLANTED RHODE ISLANDER AND I'’VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME NOW BUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE NIMBYISM GOES IN THE BEACH COMMUNITIES IS EXTRAORDINARY.

SOONER OR LATER, THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT RIGHT ON THE BEACH, THAT WILL BE GONE ANYWAY FOR EVERYBODY, SO WE DON'’T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME FIGHTING FOR THAT -- FIGHTING ON THAT.

IT'’S BEAUTIFUL BEACHES, BEAUTIFUL WATER.

IT'’S FAMILY TRADITIONS AND THEY FEEL LIKE WE WORKED HARD FOR IT.

MY GRANDPARENTS BUILT THIS TINY SHACK AND NOW IT'’S A MUCH BIGGER HOUSE AND I DON'’T WANT ANYONE ELSE NEAR IT.

I DO KNOW HOW YOU FIGHT THAT IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE WHEN THE LEGISLATORS THEMSELVES ARE A PRODUCT OF THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH CAM.

>> I 100% AGREE WITH KEN.

WE SOLVED THE PARALLEL PROBLEM.

NOW WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE PERPENDICULAR PROBLEM.

YOU CAN WALK TO THE BEACH.

HOW DO YOU GET TO THE BEACH?

TO WENDY'’S POINT, YOU WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE COTTAGES MOVE BACK.

THEY KEEP MOVING IT BACK.

>> THAT CORNFIELD NOW IS PRETTY MUCH FILLED UP.

>> SO WE UNDERSTAND THE TIDE IS LITERALLY COMING IN ON US.

I AM A NATIVE AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, IF I WANT TO GO DOWN AND WALK ON THE BEACH, I LIKE IT OUT THERE -- >> AND WHAT IF YOU ARE TIRED AND WANT TO SIT DOWN FOR 20 MINUTES ON THE BEACH?

>> YOU CAN DO THAT NOW.

>> BUT YOU CANNOT CAMP OUT?

I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME DISPUTE.

>> ALL THOSE GUYS WHO WERE EMPLOYED.

I DID A STORY 35 YEARS AGO ON EAST BEACH.

ON A 90 DEGREE DAY, SOME GUY IN HIS UNIFORM AND BOOTS GOT HIRED BY A PROPERTY OWNER.

THAT'’S BEEN GOING FOR YEARS.

>> THE PEOPLE ON EAST BEACH ARE BLUE SHUTTERS.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING AND THEY ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.

>> WHAT ABOUT -- WHAT WITH THE SHOW BE WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT GOVERNOR MCKEE?

THE HEADLINE WAS THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION IS GOING TO LOOK AT THIS NOW INFAMOUS LAUNCH.

THE LARGER ISSUE -- WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND -- WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AND RAN OUT OF TIME.

HE PULLED THE PLUG ON THE ARMORY DISTRICT PROPOSAL.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD DECISION FROM THE STATE'’S POINT OF VIEW.

I'’M NOT SURE WHAT THE RETURN WOULD BE.

I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS ARE UPSET.

>> THIS GIVES MEAN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY.

WENDY MENTIONED I SHOULD BECAUSE SHE WATCHED ALL THE SHOWS.

I DO NOT WORK FOR THE STATE.

I HAVE A VOLUNTEER POSITION.

>> YOU DO NOT WORK FOR GOVERNOR MCKEE?

>> I DO NOT.

>> YOU ARE AN ADVISOR DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

>> I WAS AND I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GOVERNOR MCKEE'’S PERSPECTIVE ON A LOT OF THINGS LIKE ANSWERING.

GOVERNOR MCKEE BRINGS THE PERSPECTIVE OF A MAYOR TO THE OFFICE OF GOVERNOR.

HE WAS IN FACT A MERE.

HE WAS A MAYOR I USED TO ARGUE WITH A LOT, BUT NEVER PERSONAL, AS THEY SAY.

THE ARMORY PROJECT -- EVEN IF YOU LOOK THROUGH ALL THE NONSENSE GOING ON AND THIS HORRIBLE STUFF THAT HAPPENED IN PHILADELPHIA, THERE WAS AN UNDERLYING MESSAGE.

YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF RHODE ISLAND HOW THIS PROJECT AND IF IT'’S THE PEOPLE.

IF IT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE STATE, THEN IT'’S A CITY PROJECT.

THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION IT'’S MOSTLY A CITY PROJECT.

YOU COULD DISAGREE WITH THAT OR NOT.

THEREFORE THE TREND SEEMS TO BE LET MAYOR SMILEY TAKE IT AND WORK IT THAT WAY.

THIS IS NOT A NEW THING.

THIS HAS BEEN UNOCCUPIED FOR 30 YEARS.

GOVERNOR RAIMONDO ENTERED A CONTRACT WITH THIS INNOVATIVE GROUP FROM PHILADELPHIA WHO, FOR THE -- WHO, FOR DISCLOSURE, MY NIECE WORKS AT THE BOK BUILDING IN PHILADELPHIA AS AN ARTIST.

I WILL ASK HER.

BUT IT'’S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE THE MAGIC SOLUTION.

OK, LET'’S RENOVATE THE SOLUTION AND MAKE IT INTO WHATEVER.

MY IDEA, WHICH I WILL SHARE, IS LET'’S GIVE THE CITY THE ARMORY,, TAKE THE OTHER BUILDING EXCHANGE AND TURN THAT INTO A STATEWIDE FACILITY.

>> AS A PROVIDENCE RESIDENT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS?

>> YOU KNOW, IT IS, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER COULD PROVIDE SOME SORT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR BEEF UP AS A HOMELESS SHELTER OR DEVELOP IT AND BUILD UP SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND.

IT IS A STRIKING BUILDING.

LIKE, HOW IS THIS NOT BEING USED?

I THINK IT SHOULD BE USED.

I THINK BRETT SMILEY WAS VERY CAUTIOUS AS MAYOR OF PROVIDENCE.

IT'’S THE END OF JULY AND NOTHING BOLD HAS COME OUT OF THEBRETT SMILEY ADMINISTRATION YET.

I'’M WONDERING IF IT'’S GOING TO BE THIS WAY.

>> WE WILL SEE IF IT'’S BEEN INHERITED BEFORE HE EXPANDS THE AGENDA.

>> IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE THAT MUCH TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO A PROJECT, IT SHOULD NOT BE TO 100 -- TO A 100 PLUS-YEAR-OLD BUILDING IN ROUGH SHAPE THAT IS NOT REALLY GOING TO DRIVE NEW ECONOMIC OF ELEMENT.

ANYONE WHO HAS A SMALL BUSINESS WILL HAVE THAT ELSEWHERE.

THE BUILDING WILL NOT CREATE NEW BUSINESS, I DON'’T THINK.

IT'’S JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BRING BUSINESS.

>> WOULD YOU KNOCK IT DOWN?

>> PERSONALLY I DON'’T HAVE AFFINITY FOR OLD THINGS.

WHEN IT COMES TO STRUCTURES IN PARTICULAR, IF IT'’S OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT GO AWAY AND BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING APPROPRIATE WITH THE CURRENT TIME.

>> IS THE SAME DISCUSSION WE HAD BEFORE.

IS IT ICONIC?

>> I AM WITH YOU.

I THINK IT'’S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT TORN DOWN BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WHEN THERE'’S A MORE MODERN, ENERGY-EFFICIENT, BETTER SPACE USE, THEN YOU SORT OF KNOCK DOWN THE OLD BUILDING AND BUILD SOMETHING.

>> WOULD YOU KNOCKED DOWN SUPERMAN?

>> I DON'’T KNOW WHAT YOU PUT IN ITS PLACE.

>> THAT'’S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.

>> DID YOU KNOCKED DOWN SUPERMAN?

>> IT WAS GOING TO BE PLACED WITH A NEW OFFICE BUILDING.

100%.

>> OR NEW HOUSING.

NEW HOUSING.

>> IT IS NOT HOW I ENVISIONED IT ORIGINALLY.

>> TOTALLY UNSCRITED.

WE TALKED BEFOREHAND BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'’S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT UP, DOWN?

I THINK MAYBE BRETT SMILEY IS BEING CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THAT'’S A BIG THING TO TAKE ON AND A BIG DRAIN ON RESOURCES.

>> I WOULD LOVE THEM TO SEE THEM DO SOMETHING LIKE THE FOUNDRY IN NANTUCKET.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PLAN TO MAKE IT A COMMUNITY CENTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC.

BUT SOMETIMES THINGS ARE SO BIG THEY ARE HARD TO USE.

YOU COULD PLAY SOCCER INSIDE THERE.

>> YOU COULD HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL IN THAT BUILDING.

>> IT'’S AN ENORMOUS FACILITY.

>> AND HIGH COST, HEATING AND COOLING.

>> AN X NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT TO DO RENEWABLE ENERGY TO HEAT AND LIGHT THE ENTIRE THING ON SITE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

>> GET BACK TO ME IN 10 YEARS.

MR. BLOCH, OUTRAGES AND KUDOS.

>> I WILL COME BACK TO THE SIGNATURE SCANDAL.

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS FAILURE TO FULLY INVESTIGATE ALL THE SIGNATURES COLLECTED WILL LEAVE SOME DOUBT IN SOME VOTERS MINDS, PROBABLY A LOT, WHETHER MATOS IS PROPERLY QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IF SHE MANAGES TO WIN THIS ELECTION, SHE WILL CARRY WITH HER THE DOUBT THAT SHE WAS NOT PROPERLY QUALIFIED TO BE A CANDIDATE OR TO SERVE AS A CONGRESSWOMAN, SO I THINK THERE'’S A REAL PROBLEM COMING DOWN THE LINE BECAUSE OF THE BOARD'’S INEPTITUDE IN EXECUTING THEIR SWORN DUTY TO OVERSEE THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD OF CANVASE RS AND I HOPE THERE'’S PRESSURE PUT ON THEM TO FINISH THE JOB OF HAVING ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> HERE IS THE OTHER PROBLEM.

AGENCIES 10 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD TALK TO THE DIRECTORS, DEPARTMENT HEADS.

NOW THEY HAVE HIRED A PUBLIC RELATIONS GROUP THAT PUT OUT A STATEMENT AND NOBODY IS AVAILABLE FOR AN INTERVIEW.

THAT IS MY PET PEEVE.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

>> KUDOS TO SOMEONE WHO I DON'’T KNOW AND IN HONOR OF KENT IS NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT.

LOSING ANY LIFE IS TRAGIC AND WE'’VE HAD TOO MUCH LOSS OF LIFE AT THAT LOCATION.

KUDOS TO HIM.

HE USED THAT INNOVATIVE BRAIN OF HIS.

HE FIGURED OUT HOW TO RIG UP AN ALARM SYSTEM.

HE TOOK IT AS FAR AS HE COULD ON HIS OWN.

HE ASKED HELP FROM THE I.T.

FOLKS AND THEY ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM THAT, WHENEVER HE GETS DANGEROUS OUT THERE, WARNING ALARMS GO OFF, THE BELLS AND LIGHTS GO OFF, AND ANNOUNCEMENTS GO OUT TO WARN PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE WATER AND BACK ON LAND.

YOU SAW A PROBLEM, CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

NOT A LOT OF FANFARE.

HE GAVE CREDIT TO THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED HIM.

>> THE PRACTICAL EFFECT IS THAT IT WILL BE SO IRRITATING NOBODY WILL GO TO THE BEACH.

>> THEY SHOULD NOT GO THAT FAR OUT.

I GET IT IS AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.

>> AND WE DO THAT STORY EVERY YEAR SO I AGREE.

>> WENDY, YOU HAVE THE LAST 90 SECONDS.

>> MY OUTRAGE IS TOO MANY PEOPLE NOT ONLY IN RHODE ISLAND BUT IN NEW ENGLAND, IT'’S BEEN A HOT SUMMER, LOSS OF LIFE TO DROWNING, AND BLACK OF PROPER EDUCATION.

I GREW UP IN A PLACE WITH WATER, LONG ISLAND, BUT I DO NOT THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ECONOMIC GULF IN LEARNING HOW TO SWIM.

WE ARE A COASTAL STATE.

WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A MODULE IN SCHOOLS OR SWIMMING LESSONS OFFERED AT A DISCOUNT SO EVERYBODY CAN LEARN TO SWIM, EVERYBODY GETS EDUCATED, PARENTS, FAMILIES, SO YOU HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF EDUCATION ABOUT THE WATER AND THE DANGERS OF IT IN A COASTAL STATE.

I THINK THAT'’S A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD COME FROM LOCALLY OR STATE?

>> DISTRICTS FOR CHILDREN AND COMMITTEE CENTERS.

WE HAVE AN ALMOST $14 BILLION STATE BUDGET.

THAT IS WHERE I THINK MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT.

AND I THINK THIS IS UNNECESSARY AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX IT.

>> THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE.

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WE ARCHIVE ALL OUR SHOWS SO WENDY CAN BINGE WATCH THEM.

IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT ANYBODY WOULD BUT APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU CAN GET US ON YOUR FAVORITE PODCAST WHEREVER YOU GET THAT.

IT'’S HAPPENING QUICKLY IN CD 1.

WE WILL BE BACK WITH THE ANALYSIS NEXT WEEK.

BOB, KEN AND WENDY, THANK YOU.

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