JIM: THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CALLS IT QUITS FOR NOW.

BUSINESS ISN'T QUITE DONE YET.

THE CITY AND WATERFIRE STATE STEPS IN TO RESCUE WATERFIRE, ALLOWING FOR AN ABBREVIATED SEASON LATER THIS SUMMER.

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I AM PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT PROGRAM.

JIM: JOIN US WITH THEIR PERSPECTIVE, LEE ANN SENNICK FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

LOU PULNER AND CORPORATE COMMUNICATIONS CONSULTANT DAVE LAYMAN.

WELCOME TO LIVELY.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE LAST NIGHT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION IN JUNE OR JULY MEANT EVERYTHING WAS DONE AND LAWMAKERS WOULDN'T SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY.

THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, THEY RETURNED IN THE FALL AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE AGENDA FOR A CERTAIN FALL SESSION IS GROWING.

WE WILL GET TO SOME OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT THIS FALL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AS THE LEADERSHIP BANGED THE GAVEL THURSDAY NIGHT.

I THINK THIS WAS A SESSION THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO GET THROUGH.

THE BUDGET WAS THE MAIN THING.

IT'S EASIER THIS YEAR.

LOU: IT'S A SHAME.

THE SPEAKER WAS RIGHT.

YOU'VE GOT TO USE EVERY DOLLAR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES YOU.

THE FACT IS HE WAS TOUTING PROGRAMS THEY ARE STARTING THAT ARE PREPAID THREE YEARS GOING OUT.

THAT'S GREAT.

A $13 MILLION BUDGET, WHAT HAPPENS IN THREE YEARS?

WE ARE THE STATE -- WE DO NOT HAVE REVENUE PROBLEM.

WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.

ALL OF THESE NEW PROGRAMS, WE WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR THREE YEARS OUT.

THE LAW OFFICES BILL OF RIGHTS, I'M UPSET THEY COULDN'T MOVE THAT THROUGH.

THERE IS NEVER GOING TO BE CONSENSUS ON MODIFYING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE CHANGES OR YOU DON'T.

LEGALIZING MARIJUANA WAS A NO-BRAINER.

MASSACHUSETTS, CONNECTICUT, RHODE ISLAND IS STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH NOTHING.

THEY MAY BE COMING BACK IN THE FALL.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE A THING IN THE LAST YEAR AND HALF.

THEY COULD'VE STUCK IT OUT FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR SO AND HAMMERED OUT THESE ISSUES.

JIM: WE WILL GET TO THAT STUFF.

YOUR GENERAL IMPRESSION?

LEE ANN: $13 BILLION US DOWNS ME THAT WE COULD SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY IN A YEAR.

AND STILL HAVE ROADS THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE, YOUR ACCURACY OUT OF CONTROL.

ALL OF THIS MONEY, WHERE IS IT GOING?

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHY HASN'T IT BEEN USED EFFECTIVELY?

GETTING THAT MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

SHOULDN'T WE USE IT TO PLUG THOSE HOLES THAT WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO BEFORE?

TO BE LOOKING AT MORE WAYS WE CAN BETTER OURSELVES IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD RATHER THAN CREATING DEBT GOING FORWARD.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

DAVE: MY SENTIMENT'S THE SAME.

I HAVE WONDERED ABOUT THIS THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE PROGRAMS THAT WERE FUNDED?

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE HAVE HAD AN EASIER BUDGET YEAR THAN THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS FEDERAL MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE.

I THINK THERE IS MORE UNTOUCHED.

WHEN YOU HAVE PROGRAMS, IF YOU FUNDED IT FOR THREE YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT?

DO YOU KILL THE PROGRAMS?

LOU: YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

DAVE: YOU REALLY HAVE A COMMITMENT WHICH IS CONCERNING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DID LIKE AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS MONEY AROUND THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A LOT LESS ACRIMONY.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

THE LEGISLATURE WAS NOT IN SESSION AT THE STATEHOUSE.

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE OF JOSIE CARTY.

HE HAS A GOOD PERSONALITY FOR THE JOB.

I THINK HE'S GOTTEN PEOPLE TO PLAY NICE IN THE SANDBOX.

YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS MONEY, YOU TAKE A LOT OF THE ACRIMONY OUT OF IT.

JIM: WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, SOMEBODY WAS HERE AND SAID THE RHODE ISLAND PROMISES ONLY $7 MILLION.

IF YOU ADD UP, IT BECOMES REAL MONEY.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, MY QUESTION IS CAN THEY GO BACK NEXT YEAR?

IT WAS NINTH AT $4 BILLION TWO YEARS AGO.

WHO IS GOING TO PROPOSE A BUDGET?

HE PROPOSED A BUDGET FOR $11 BILLION.

HOW DO YOU GO IN REVERSE?

LEE ANN: THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT.

THERE IS NO WAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO INCREASE TAXES GOING FORWARD.

THERE WERE INDUSTRIES THERE WERE HIT HARD BY THE PANDEMIC.

HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD WITHOUT EVERYONE HAVING TO PAY FOR IT.

WE ARE JUST PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD FURTHER.

IT'S PUSHING IT OUT SO THAT THOSE CHICKENS WILL COME HOME TO ROOST AND WE WILL HAVE THOSE BILLS TO PAY.

JIM: SOME OF THE LARGER COMPANIES, THE PPP, RHODE ISLAND WAS THE ONLY ONE.

THE -- AREN'T THOSE THE BUSINESSES YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF?

LOU: YOU DID A GREAT INTERVIEW ON THE RADIO LAST WEEK.

I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THINGS THAT I NEVER WOULD'VE EXPECTED FROM THEM.

HE WAS REALLY UPSET BECAUSE HE BORROWED A LOT OF MONEY, WELL OVER THE THRESHOLD YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON.

HE WAS STUNNED.

I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM AS ANGRY.

JIM: IF THEY HAD TOLD HIM AT A TIME, HE TOLD ME I MIGHT NOT OF TAKEN THE MONEY.

TO SAY RETROACTIVELY AND INCREASE IT TO TO HUNT A $50,000.

HE'S GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR A LOT OF MONEY.

DAVE: THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESSES, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS PROGRAM DON'T KNOW THAT.

THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN THEIR PAYCHECK, WHICH WOULD BE A MINUSCULE AMOUNT COMPARED TO THE $250,000 OR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

A LOT OF MONEY.

TO SUDDENLY REALIZE THAT THIS COMES WITH A TAX LIABILITY, THAT'S UPDATED SWITCH.

LOU: NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REAL MONEY.

I HEARD THE STRESS IN HIS VOICE.

JIM: WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE BUDGET, IT ACCOUNTED FOR $130 MILLION THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DIFFICULT CHOICE.

IS IT THAT THE TIME YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE THIS?

LEE ANN: IT IS.

THOSE BUSINESSES NEEDED THAT TO GET THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

NOW THAT WE ARE ON THE END OF IT, WE CAN'T KNOW BACK NOW.

DAVE: WE DID.

LEE ANN: HOW MANY BUSINESSES DIDN'T KNOW?

YOU DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE FORGIVEN OR WHAT THE INTEREST RATE WAS GOING TO BE.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW.

NOW WE ARE SAYING -- RHODE ISLAND IS THE ONLY STATE TO DO IT.

OTHER STATES REALIZE THIS WAS A NECESSARY PROCEDURE TO HELP THESE BUSINESSES THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

DAVE: WHICH GOES BACK TO WHEN THE WORST BUSINESS CLIMATES IN THE NATION.

THIS REINFORCES THAT.

LOU: WE ARE 50TH ACCORDING TO CNBC.

YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A PERENNIAL PROBLEM.

EVERY YEAR, WE END UP ON THE TOP OF THE WORST LIST, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE.

JIM: BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFIC ISSUES, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE SPEAKER.

LOU: I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HIM.

I WAS INTERESTED HOW HE FELT IT WENT GIVEN THIS IS HIS FIRST TERM.

AND WHAT HE THOUGHT THEY HAD ACCOMPLISHED.

I ASKED HIM ABOUT IGT, THEY COMMITTED TO A 20 YEAR PLAN.

JIM: WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

LOU: IT'S ALMOST NOT EVEN MENTION NOW.

HE SAID HE FELT HE GOT A BETTER DEAL, HE NEGOTIATED A LITTLE BIT.

I WILL LEAVE THAT TO OTHERS TO DECIDE IF THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT OR NOT.

HE THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD PAYING JOBS.

YOU JUST CAN'T LEAVE THESE JOBS IN THE LURCH.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE RISK AND HE THINKS IT WAS A GOOD GAMBLE.

REGARDING THE MARIJUANA AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THERE'S A 50-50 CHANCE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A SESSION IN THE FALL TO WORK THAT OUT.

HIS MAIN CONCERN ABOUT MARIJUANA ISN'T THAT WERE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

WE NEED TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT THIS DATE GETS A FAIR SHARE OF IT.

AND IT DOESN'T TURN OUT TO BE A MONOPOLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE BUSINESS.

HE WANTS TO BE SURE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

DAVE: I THOUGHT THEY AGREED ON THE LOTTERY SYSTEM.

JIM: THERE WERE COMPETING PLANS BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT.

DAVE: YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION.

WE ARE GETTING KILLED ON BOTH SIDES.

I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE.

JIM: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

HE IS ON ONE END, LET'S ABOLISH IT ALTOGETHER.

THEN WE HAD THE POLICE UNION.

THERE IS A LOT OF MIDDLE GOUND IN TERMS OF THE PANEL, THE PUNISHMENT, ALL THAT.

WITH ALL OF THIS STUDY THAT WOMEN, YOU WOULD THINK THEY COULD'VE GOTTEN TO SOMETHING THIS MONTH.

LEE ANN: IN A WAY, I'M GLAD THEY KICKED IT ON THE ROAD.

IF THEY CAN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS, IF NEITHER SIDE IS HAPPY AND WE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK, IT'S BETTER THAT WE WAIT.

WHEN WE SEE THINGS THROUGH FUELING THOSE THINGS, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK.

WHEN THERE ARE POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION.

AS MUCH AS THE VICTIMS SIDE OR THE CRIMINAL SIDE, STRIKING THAT BALANCE IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

YOU HAVE THE POLICE UNION ON ONE SIDE, YOU HAVE ADVOCACY GROUPS.

TRYING TO GET SOMETHING GOING FORWARD, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO IT RIGHT.

JIM: HIS HEAD IS COMING OFF.

LEE ANN: IT'S A DETRIMENT TO BOTH SIDES.

DAVE: NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.

THIS IS ABOUT LABOR VERSUS MANAGEMENT.

SHORT OF SOMEBODY GETTING KNOCKED OFF, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF A CHANGE.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ABORTION ARGUMENT.

YOU ARE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST IT.

THERE IS NO REAL MIDDLE GROUND.

LOU: IT'S LIKE GUN CONTROL.

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND.

HE SPECIFICALLY SAID I AM LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS.

THAT'S NOT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

EITHER YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS OR YOU DON'T.

JIM: GO AHEAD.

LEE ANN: THERE WAS A GOOD BILL THAT THEY PASSED IN TERMS OF GETTING REPORTING ON THE GUN STUFF.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, HOW CAN THEY LEGISLATE FURTHER?

HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS WILL MAKE SENSE FOR US AND WE DON'T HAVE THE REPORTING.

HOW MANY GUN CRIMES ARE HAPPENING?

I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE POLICE.

I UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE VOLATILITY TODAY TOWARDS POLICE, THE WAY PEOPLE ARE VIEWING THEM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROTECTING THEM.

I DO WANT TO SEE ANY DEFUNDING FOR THE POLICE.

I WANT TO SEE TRAINING AND EVERYONE WORKING TOWARD A BETTER END.

IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT KNEE-JERK REACTION AND TAKE AWAY PROTECTIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

DAVE: TO THEIR CREDIT, IF THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TACKLE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OF RIGHTS REFORM, AT LEAST NOW EVERY SINGLE OFFICER IN THE STATE IS GOING TO BE WEARING A BODY CAMERA.

THAT IS MONEY WELL SPENT.

THAT DOES CARE A LOT OF ILLS.

JIM: WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT IN PROVIDENCE.

THE VIDEO DOESN'T LIE.

I ALSO WONDER, YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE IT.

IT IS HARD TO RECRUIT POLICE NOW.

LOOK AT THE STATE POLICE.

THEY HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH MINORITY REPRESENTATION.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME BAD APPLES.

THEY ARE TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB.

THE RECRUITMENT IF THERE ARE NOT PROTECTIONS, I AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE REFORMED.

IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO GET LAW ENFORCEMENT.

DAVE: WHEN YOU ALLOW COPS TO BE SUED AND THEY LOSE THAT IMMUNITY THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED, WHO WANTS TO BE A COP?

NOBODY.

YOU SEE THE SWAT TEAMS AND THEY ARE RETIRING.

IT WAS IN OREGON.

HOW ARE YOU POSSIBLY GOING TO HAVE A POLICE FORCE THAT YOU CAN TRUST AND RELY ON.

LOU: THE ISSUE IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S HOLDING POLICE OFFICERS WHO BEEN ACCUSED OF WRONGDOING IN THE OPERATION OF THEIR WORK.

DAVE: WE DO THAT.

THEY JUST CHARGED A GUY WITH FIVE FELONIES.

JIM: THAT WAS CLEAR BECAUSE THE VIDEO.

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS SOME OF THESE -- IT GETS SO DRAWN OUT.

YOU ARE PAID THE WHOLE TIME.

IT'S A THREE-PERSON TRIBUNAL THAT YOU CAN'T GET THE RIGHT MIX OF PEOPLE.

THEY APPEAL.

THESE THINGS CAN GO ON FOR A YEAR AND A PERSON IS COLLECTING FOOD -- FULL PAY.

THAT'S GOING TO DRAG ON.

LOU: I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY AND MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU HAVE MANAGEMENT.

THEY MANAGE.

THEIR JOB IS TO WORK THROUGH THE PROBLEMS AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS AND DIRECT PERSONNEL IN SUCH A WAY WHEN THERE IS WRONGDOING OR THEY STEP OUT OF LINE.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THE TOOLS HANDY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

I AM PRO POLICE.

I ALSO THINK AND WE HAVE COVERED POLICE FOR DECADES.

VERY OFTEN IT, YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE WHEN A POLICE OFFICER IS CHARGED WITH SOMETHING.

THEY ARE REFERRED TO AS PERP WALKS.

THAT'S WHEN THE POLICE WILL TAKE A SUSPECT AND WALK THEM OUT FOR THE CAMERAS.

THAT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS IF A POLICE OFFICER IS CHARGED.

I SAT THERE IN AMAZEMENT THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH A POLICE OFFICER, NOBODY WOULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT A LINK.

THERE IS THIS LEVEL OF APPROACH.

THERE NEEDS TO BE FAIRNESS.

IF YOU'VE GOT A THREE-PERSON TRIBUNAL THAT'S GOING TO DISCUSS THIS, IT IS PERCEIVED AS BEING MOSTLY PRO POLICE.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERED TO BE FAIR.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SMART PEOPLE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WORK THIS OUT.

THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT GOOD MANAGEMENT.

JIM: WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?

DAVE: I WOULD HAVE LET THE POLICE CHIEFS HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT COULD BE WITHOUT PAY.

WE HAVE ONE PARTY THEY CHOOSE.

THOSE TO PICK AN INDEPENDENT.

I THINK THE CHIEF -- THE BUCK STOPS WITH THEM.

THEY OUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.

YOU ARE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY UNTIL THIS INVESTIGATION IS OVER.

JIM: TO BE CONTINUED.

WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO GET TO.

WATERFIRE WAS ON DEATH'S DOOR UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED AFTER HUGE OUTCRY, WE CAN FIND $300,000.

THIS MADE IT VERY CHALLENGING FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET ANY MONEY DURING THE PANDEMIC.

NOBODY DISAGREES WATERFIRE IS A GREAT SITUATION.

IT'S BEEN STRUCK BY THE PANDEMIC.

I WONDER, IS THIS A PROPER USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY?

IT COULD BE.

LEE ANN: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED, THOSE WERE HIT THE HARDEST DURING THE PANDEMIC.

PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO SHOW THEIR WORK.

IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A $13 BILLION BUDGET.

JIM: THAT'S REAL MONEY.

LEE ANN: THIS IS GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT.

IT'S GOING TO MULTIPLY.

DAVE: THE TAX REVENUE ALONE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ENTERTAINED, DINING OUT, IT'S ALL GOING TO COME BACK.

THAT'S THE EASIEST DECISION.

LOU: ITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW THAN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, YOU'VE GOT A DOWNTOWN THAT IS MOSTLY DEAD.

IF YOU DON'T GO DOWNTOWN, IT'S VERY MINDFUL OF THE EARLY 80'S.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN.

WATERFIRE, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TO THERE.

THEY WILL SAY THAT IS WHERE THE GREATEST EXPERIENCES.

THERE ARE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD, CITIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT HAVE OFFERED TO PAY BARNABY EVANS THE FEE BECAUSE IT'S COPYRIGHTED OR TRADEMARKED.

THIS IS A REAL GEM THAT WE HAVE.

IT RAISES THE MORALE OF OUR CITIZENRY.

IT ALSO RAISES OUR STATURE WHEN PEOPLE SEE THIS.

DAVE: THERE IS NEVER ANY CRIME.

IT'S VERY CALM.

IT'S VERY RELAXED.

JIM: YOU'VE GOT THAT WELL MUSIC PLAYING.

DAVE: HOW OFTEN CAN YOU HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE DESCEND ON THE CITY AND IT'S A LOVELY EVENING WHERE EVERYONE ENJOYS THEMSELVES.

JIM: I THINK THE FRUSTRATING THING IS WE KNOW IT TAKES PLANNING.

THE EARLIEST THEY WILL BE ABLE TO THIS IS IN SEPTEMBER.

WE WERE IN AMSTERDAM ON THAT TRIP.

WE WERE AT THE ANNE FRANK HOUSE.

SOME HE FOUND THAT WE WERE FROM RHODE ISLAND.

YOU HAVE THAT CRAZY JUDGE AND FIRE ON THE WATER.

LOU: WATERFIRE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS WATERFIRE MESS, IT REMINDS ME OF A QUOTE FROM NAPOLEON.

STUPIDITY IS NOT A HANDICAP.

JIM: LET'S DO OUT RAGES AND WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO GET TO.

LEE ANN: I HAVE A MIX OF BOTH.

MY OUTRAGE IS THE ELECTION PROCESS IN NEW YORK CITY.

NOT BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE A WINNER AFTER THEY DID THE SAME THING IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RACE.

THEY HAD 135,000 ADDITIONAL VOTES.

JIM: IT'S NOT A GREAT ENDORSEMENT OF RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

LEE ANN: THAT IS THE GREATEST DISENFRANCHISEMENT YOU CAN HAVE, DO NOT FEEL THERE IS ANY SECURITY IN THE SYSTEM.

KUDOS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

OUR JULY 4 CELEBRATION, 245 YEARS.

THIS IS STILL THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH TO LIVE IN.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

DAVE: IT'S KUDOS TO THE NEW YORK TIMES.

THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER A 40 MINUTE VIDEO OF THE JANUARY 6 INCIDENT.

THIS UNDERSCORES A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AND UNDERSCORES THE IMPORTANCE OF INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM, HARD-WORKING JOURNALISM.

HALF THE REPORTERS IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THEIR JOBS OF GONE AWAY.

IF YOU WANT TO BE A SWINDLER OR A BAD POLITICIAN, THIS IS THE BEST TIME.

THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE WATCHING.

I REALLY WANT TO SEND A KUDOS TO THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE WASHINGTON POST AND THE COVERAGE THEY'VE GIVEN THIS.

I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INDICTMENTS WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION -- THE TRUMP BUSINESS.

JIM: THOSE NEWSPAPERS, THEY HAVE MADE IT WORK BECAUSE THEY PUT AN EMPHASIS ON DIGITAL SUBSCRIPTIONS, RINGING AND MONEY WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND MONEY.

DAVE: THE LEGISLATURE AND THE STATE OF OREGON, THEY PASSED LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE IN OREGON WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID FREE OF CHARGE AND THE GOVERNOR IS EXPECTED TO SIGN THAT BILL INTO LW.

MY OUTRAGE IS TO THE ME TOO CROWD WHO WERE DECRYING THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING BILL COSBY'S CONVICTION.

IF YOU READ THE DECISION, THE JUDGE IN THAT CASE NOT ONLY DENIED HIM DUE PROCESS, THEY BROKE THE LAW.

THE PREVIOUS PROSECUTOR SAID IF YOU TESTIFY IN A CIVIL DEPOSITION TO THE WOMAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE YOU.

THAT'S A PROMISE.

THEN HE DID FOR CIVIL TO POSSESSIONS IN WHICH HE ADMITTED ADMINISTERING IT QUAALUDES TO THE WOMAN HE WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH.

THEY ALLOWED OTHER WOMEN TO TESTIFY.

THEY ALLOWED SEVERAL WOMEN TO TESTIFY ABOUT SIMILAR INCIDENCES.

JIM: WHITE DID THE TRIAL JUDGE CATCH THAT?

WHY DID HE SPEND TWO YEARS IN PRISON.

DAVE: IT WAS PART OF PRETRIAL MOTIONS.

IT WENT TO TRIAL.

HE WAS CONVICTED.

IT WAS THE FIRST MAJOR CASE.

EVERYTHING WAS DENIED.

HE WAS CONVICTED UNLAWFULLY.

HE HAD TO DO ALMOST THREE YEARS.

YOU WOULD WANT THOSE PROTECTIONS IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU.

JIM: I ALWAYS FELT THE SAME ABOUT HIM.

HE PROBABLY DID A LOT MORE.

IF THAT WAS YOU OR ME IN THAT CHAIR, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THOSE.

I THINK A LOT OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS WERE TRUE.

DAVE: HE ADMITTED TO IT.

IT SHOCKED EVERYBODY.

THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY WHO IS NOW IN CONGRESS, HOW IN THE WORLD TO SEE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE THIS GUY BLANKET IMMUNITY GOING FORWARD?

LOU: HE MADE THE DECISION THE CASE COULD NOT BE SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED.

IF YOU WILL SUBMIT TO DEPOSITIONS, HE ADMITTED TO THE QUAALUDES, HE ADMITTED TO WHAT HE DID, THE WOMAN RECEIVED A VERY HEALTHY SETTLEMENT.

LEE ANN: IN EXCHANGE RIM WAIVING HIS RIGHTS.

LOU: HE KEPT HIS END OF THE BARGAIN.

MAYBE IT'S NOT THE RESULT YOU LIKE, BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, YOU WANT THOSE PROTECTIONS.

LEE ANN: I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OF THINGS WE DIDN'T GET TO WAS BRITNEY SPEARS.

YOU WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HER CASE, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?

SHE'S UNDER THESE RESTRICTIONS AND SHE'S NOT INSTITUTIONALIZED.

SHE IS PERFORMING.

LOU: SHE'S GOT BAD LAWYERING.

LEE ANN: SHE CAN'T CHOOSE HER OWN LAWYER.

LOU: THE PRIVATE LAWYER THAT WAS APPOINTED FOR HER WAS MAKING MILLIONS.

WHOSE BEST INTERESTS WERE BEING SERVED?

JIM: LOU PULNER COULD GET BRITNEY SPEARS OUT FROM UNDER THE CONSERVATORSHIP.

WE ARE NOT DONE YET.

WE HAVE TWO OTHER ISSUES TO GET TO.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR SPECIAL BONUS ADDITION.

GO RIGHT NOW TO LIVELY.

RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

A PROGRAMMING NOTE FOR NEXT WEEK, OUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE ON VACATION WHILE WE ENJOY THE HOLIDAY.

WE WILL BRING YOU A SPECIAL ENCORE PRESENTATION OF ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR LIVELY SHOWS.

I SAT DOWN WITH MY PREVIOUS MODERATORS.

WE DO A 30TH ANNIVERSARY SHOW.

WE WILL HAVE THE ENCORE PRESENTATION.

FOR THE REST OF YOU, COME BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW IS THE LVELY EXPERIMENT CONTINUES.

HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

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I AM PROUD TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT