[CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY CARDI'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES] JIM: THIS WEEK ON "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT," THE PRIMARY IS OVER .

ONTO THE GENERAL ELECTION WITH A LOOK AT THE MARQUEE MATCH UPS.

>> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" IS GENERALLY -- GENEROUSLY UNDERWRITTEN BY -- >> "A LIVELY EXPERIMENT" HAS PROVIDED INSIGHT INTO POLITICAL ISSUES OF RHODE ISLANDERS.

I AM GLAD TO BE PART OF THIS PROGRAM.

JIM: JOINING US, SUE CIENKI, CHAIRMAN OF THE RHODE ISLAND REPUBLICAN PARTY, POLITICAL STRATEGIST ROB HORWITZ, AND " BOSTON GLOBE" COLONISTS DAN MCGOWAN.

I AM JIM MCGOWAN.

HELENA FOULKES TOOK AN EARLY LEAD BUT AS THE NIGHT WORE ON, GOVERNOR DAN MCKEE OVERTOOK HER WITH A STRONG SHOWING OF MAIL-IN BALLOTS AND EARLY VOTING.

ASHLEY KAYLA'S WENT -- ASHLEY KALUS WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE IN WHAT IS LIKELY TO BE A BRUISING CAMPAIGN.

WE HAD THREE QUALITY HOURS TOGETHER ON THE RADIO AND IT LOOKED TIGHT AND WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE, THEN A FLOOD GATE OPENS FOR DAN MCKEE.

DAN: MCKIE ALWAYS KNEW WHAT HE HAD TO DO TO WIN.

HAD TO BE STRONG IN HIS BACKYARD, THE BLACKSTONE VALLEY, AMONG THE MAYORS.

AND THEN THE SNEAKY THING ABOUT DAN MCKEE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY WELL IN SELF -- SOUTH PROVIDENCE .

HAVING BEEN A BASKETBALL COACH AND WORKED IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, HE PUNCHES ABOVE HIS WEIGHT IN BLACK AND LATINO VOTERS, FINISHED SECOND IN PROVIDENCE.

HE GOT A LOT OF VOTES, JUST ENOUGH TO PUT HIM OVER THE TOP.

SUE: CERTAINLY NOTHING SURPRISED ME BECAUSE HELENA FOULKES FORGOT WHEN THE ELECTION WAS, WHEN THE PRIMARY WAS.

SHE WAITED WAY TOO LATE.

WHEN SHE ENTERED, I SAID, THIS WOMAN IS WELL-QUALIFIED.

SHE WOULD MAKE A GREAT GOVERNOR AND HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL BUT WAITED TOO LATE.

NOTHING SURPRISED ME.

IT IS HARD TO BEAT SOMEBODY WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE OF GOVERNOR.

HE SPENT THE SUMMER HANDING OUT MONEY, CERTAINLY AT ALL OF THESE BIG BILL SIGNATURES.

HE WAITED ALL SUMMER.

HE WAITED.

JIM: THE BILL WAS SIGNED IN MAY.

DAN: I THINK THEY WERE SIGNING MULTIPLE BILLS THE SAME TIME.

SUE: ALL SUMMER LONG HE WAS GETTING THAT EARNED MEDIA SO HIS NAME WAS OUT THERE.

SHE JUST WAITED TOO LATE AND THEN THE LAST WEEK, IT CERTAINLY LOOKED LIKE NELLY WOULD HAVE A STRONG SHOWING AND THEN SHE SHOT HERSELF IN THE FOOT.

>> YOU HAVE TO GIVE HELENA FOULKES A LOT OF CREDIT.

I DON'T THINK SHE WAITED TOO LATE.

>> IT IS A FOUR-WAY RACE.

IF YOU GO NEGATIVE, JOB ONE IS TO ESTABLISH YOURSELF.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO TO YOU.% WHAT HAPPENS IN THE RACE IS NELLY COLLAPSED SO FOLKS PICKED UP THE VOTE.

IT WASN'T THAT SHE WORKED HARDER ON THE MAIL BALLOTS OR EARLY VOTE BECAUSE SHE WASN'T IN A POSITION TO CAPITALIZE, BUT A FOUR-WAY RACE, TWO WOMEN, SHE COMES WITHIN A WHISKER OF BEATING THE INCUMBENT GOVERNOR WHO WAS VERY FORTUNATE TO WIN AND ONLY WON BECAUSE IT WAS A FOUR-WAY RACE.

SUE: IT IS HARD.

SHE SPENT $4 MILLION TO WIN 40,000 VOTES.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT GOT SPENT AND WHILE YOU ARE RIGHT, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, I DON'T THINK THE MAIL-IN BALLOTS MADE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BUT IT SHOULD HAVE.

IN HER CASE, IF SHE STARTS EARLIER, AND MAYBE SHE GETS INTO A PLACE WHERE SHE IS BETTER OFF HEADING INTO THE FINAL STRETCH.

ROB: I THINK SHE STARTED PLENTY EARLY.

THE DYNAMICS OF THE RACE CHANGED.

IT IS EASY TO SECOND-GUESS THE STRATEGY BUT IN A RACE WHEN YOU COME WITHIN AN INCH, SHE STARTED EARLIER AND WENT NEGATIVE EARLIER, SHE DID THE ONLY THING SHE COULD DO.

GOVERNOR JUSTICE GAPED -- ESCAPED BY THE HAIR OF HIS CHIN.

IT IS EASY TO LOOK AND GO, COULD HAVE GOTTEN 1000 VOTES MORE OR THE OTHER.

THREE WEEKS OUT, WE THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO FINISH THIRD.

SUE: LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, ONLY 110,000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND VOTED IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, THE LOWEST VOTE TOTAL IN DEMOCRATIC, CONTESTED DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY SINCE 1994.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM FOR ANY OF THEM.

JIM: LET'S PULL UP A MAP.

W PRI PUT TOGETHER THIS GREAT MAP AND WE SAW THIS PLAY OUT IN FULL, THE BLUE IS GOVERNOR MCKEE AND THE RED IS HELENA FOULKES.

DAN: I LOVE TO SEE A HEAT MAP BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE IT EVEN MORE IF YOU WERE TO SEE HOW STRONG DAN MCKEE DID IN THE BLACKSTONE VALLEY PLACES.

I WAS SURPRISED IS NELLIE GORBEA HISTORICALLY HAS DONE WELL IN THE SUBURBS, DONE WELL.

JIM: SHE LIVES IN NORTH KING.

DAN: HELENA FOULKES, AS PAR AS NELLIE COLLAPSING.

JIM: SHE SMOKED THE GOVERNOR.

WE WERE PULLING THAT UP.

WERE YOU SURPRISED?

DAN: I ACTUALLY THOUGHT NELLIE WOULD HOLD RELATIVELY STRONG IN SOME PLACES WHERE SHE HAS BEEN POPULAR.

IT IS NOT A SURPRISE GOVERNOR MCKEE DIDN'T PERFORM THAT WELL.

I ALWAYS SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE ELITES, THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO LOVE DAN MCKEE -- WITH ALL RESPECT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE FROM EAST GREENWICH.

SUE: I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO FLIP TOWARD NELLIE GORBEA.

IT IS HER HOMEBASE, AND IT DIDN'T.

JIM: BEFORE WE GO TO ASHLEY KALUS, ANY FINALS -- FINAL NOTES ON THE PRIMARY?

ROB: IT DIDN'T WORK FOR HELENA FOULKES.

IF YOU HAD ANOTHER 10,000, 15 THOUSAND VOTES, THEY PROBABLY WEREN'T GOING TO THE GOVERNOR.

SOME OF WHAT THE GOVERNOR BENEFITED BY, SOME OF WHAT I THINK THEY ALSO BENEFITED FROM IS THE LOAD -- THE RELATIVELY LOW TURNOUT.

HIS ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT AND LOW TURNOUT BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT.

JIM: ASHLEY KALUS LINED UP THE SECONDARY READY TO GO.

IT IS A SPRINT.

SUE: SHE IS A FIGHTER AND SHE WILL BRING UP THE LIES, THE SCANDALS, THE FACT THAT HE IS THE 15TH LEAST POPULAR POLLING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

EVERYTHING HE HAS BEEN EMBROILED IN FROM THE FBI INVESTIGATION, HIS TWO CHIEFS OF STAFF WHO NO LONGER WORK THERE, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HIS POLICIES.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT TIDEWATER, HE WAS THE TIEBREAKER.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT HIS BUDGET, WHAT WERE HIS PRIORITIES?

ARE THEY GOOD AND IS IT MOVING RHODE ISLAND ANY FASTER FORWARD?

JIM: WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER NIGHT, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME THERE IS NO BOB HEALY OR KEN BLOCK.

KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES, YOU WILL HAVE TO GET CLOSE TO OVER 50% TO WIN.

HOW DOES THAT CHAGE THE DYNAMIC?

DAN: IT WILL BE REFRESHING TO HAVE POTENTIALLY THE WINNER GET 50%.

LONDON DID IT IN 2018 AND LINCOLN CHAFEE IN 20 DID NOT PULL THAT OFF.

IT WILL BE NICE TO SEE A TRUE MAJORITY TO LIKELY DECIDE THE RACE.

DAN MCKEE IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY HAD THE CHALLENGE OF HIGH FLOOR, LOW CEILING.

DAN MCKEE WAS NEVER GOING INTO THE 40'S.

HE FACES A SIMILAR CHALLENGE ALTHOUGH DEMOCRATS COME HOME, I WOULDN'T EXPECT HIM TO BE BLOWN OUT BY ASHLEY KALUS.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A RACE THAT CAN BE VERY CLOSE, BUT ASHLEY KALUS HAS A GOOD CHANCE.

SHE CAN RUN BACK THE HELENA FOULKES CAMPAIGN AND IN THEORY, MORE SUCCESSFULLY.

SHE WILL BE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN HELENA FOULKES WAS IN TRYING TO SHOW DIFFERENCES AND GO PRETTY NEGATIVE.

THIS WILL BE A REAL BATTLE FOR GOVERNOR MCKEE.

JIM: SHE'S IN GOOD SHAPE FINANCIALLY BECAUSE SHE HAD MORE THAN HALF A MILLION BUT THE GOVERNOR HAD TO DEPLETE SO HE NEEDS TO LOCK AND LOAD.

HE IS THE NOMINEE, BUT WHAT DOES DAN MCKEE HAVE TO DO?

HE SLOUGHED THAT OFF, ALL THE STUFF THE CANDIDATES TRIED TO THROW AT HIM BUT IT WILL BE MORE FOCUSED WITH ASHLEY KALUS.

ROB: THAT'S TRUE AND THE RACE WILL BE COMPETITIVE.

I DON'T THINK CALLING HIM THE LEAST POPULAR GOVERNOR IN THE COUNTRY -- VOTERS DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

SUE: DON'T THEY?

I THINK THEY DO.

ROB: I THINK THEY DON'T.

SUE: HIS POLICIES ARE TERRIBLE.

HE'S DONE A TERRIBLE JOB.

ROB: THAT'S A DIFFERENT ARGUMENT .

HIS RELATIVELY MEDIOCRE APPROVAL RATING MEANS HE IS SOMEWHAT VOTER BALL.

JUST AS -- VULNERABLE.

JUST AS THE NATIONAL PICTURE HAS IMPROVED, LOW UNEMPLOYMENT, HE'S TAKEN ON THE ROPE PUMP -- THE CLIMATE.

WHAT I HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS IS, IS THAT A REAL THING?

ASHLEY KALUS IN HER FIRST REAL PUBLIC MOMENT, AND SHE IS STILL RELATIVELY -- DID NOT HIT THE HEMINGWAY DEFINITION OF COURAGE, GRACE UNDER PRESSURE WHEN SHE GOT IN A FIGHT WITH A POLICE OFFICER AROUND HER COMPANY THAT HAD SO MANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST IT.

THE NEGATIVES GO BOTH WAYS AND MCKEE IS MORE DEFINED.

IT WILL BE COMPETITIVE BUT I GIVE A SLIGHT ADVANTAGE TO THE GOVERNOR.

JIM: DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND?

SUE: I AGREE IT'S GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE.

ASHLEY IS A SMART, SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WOMAN AND SHE WILL BRING THE FIRE TO THIS RACE.

JIM: DAN, -- GO AHEAD.

SUE: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DAN'S ATTITUDE WHEN HE WON AND THE PHONE CALL WHEN HE SAID HANG UP ON HER.

THAT SHOWS HIS TRUE CHARACTER AND I THINK PARTICULARLY AMONG WOMEN VOTERS, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT, THEY WERE VERY OFFENDED.

AND NOT IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, I'M SORRY.

IT'S VERY EXCITING.

WE WERE ALL VERY EXCITED WHEN WE DID IT.

I STOPPED WHEN THE NOMINEE WASN'T IN THERE.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE SO PLEASE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DAN MCKEE, I'M SORRY.

IT WAS OFFENSIVE AND IT UPSETS ME WHEN YOU GUYS TRIED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HET OF THE MOMENT.

DAN: I WASN'T GOING TO GO THERE.

JIM: NOW HE'S ESPECIALLY NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

FAIR WARNING, IT WASN'T A GOOD MOMENT.

SUE: RHODE ISLAND FOLK LAW, IT WAS HIS HOWARD DEAN MOMENT.

DAN: YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOREVER.

HELENA IN THE CONVERSATION NEXT DAY.

IF YOU ADDRESS SOMEBODY BY A MOMENT, WHAT IS THE MOST PUBLIC MOMENT ASHLEY KALUS HAD WHEN SHE WAS IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT?

SHE WAS IN A BIG ARGUMENT.

SUE: SHE WAS NOT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

DAN: SHE WAS ABOUT TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

SHE WAS IN A PUBLIC CONTRACT AND GOT IN A FIGHT AND HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM A BUILDING.

JIM: IT HAS ALWAYS KIND OF BOTHERED ME, I KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

EVERYBODY BEATS THE HELL OUT OF EACH OTHER AND THEN IT IS KUMBAYA.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE UNITY THING LIKE WE USED TO SEE AT THE ARCADE, BUT WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO THE VOTERS?

DEMOCRATS WILL SAY, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR, THE DEMOCRAT IF YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR NOSE, OR THE REPUBLICAN?

DOES THEM GETTING BEHIND MCKEE MATTER?

DAN: DEMOCRATS TEND TO COME HOME LIKE REPUBLICANS DO.

I'M NOT SURE IT MATTERS, OTHER THAN TO SEND A BIG MESSAGE.

USE TO MATTER MORE QUITE FRANKLY WHEN THE VISUAL ON TELEVISION, WAS A BIG DEAL, ALL THE TV CAMERAS.

AT THE ARCADE, TO YOUR POINT, AND THEY SHOW EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER.

MOST DEMOCRATS WILL PROBABLY VOTE DEMOCRAT AND IS ASHLEY KALUS BE ABLE -- GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPEAL TO ENOUGH INDEPENDENTS.

DAN MCKEE IS POPULAR WITH INDEPENDENTS.

IT IS TYPICALLY A MORE MODERATE DEMOCRAT.

CAN HE APPEAL TO THE FAR LEFT?

WILL THEY COME OUT OR STAY HOME?

JIM: GENERAL TREASURER RACE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

STEFAN PRYOR GOT SMOKE.

YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR CANDIDATE, JASON LATHAM.

SUE: HE IS NOT A POLITICIAN.

HE IS A FINANCIAL PERSON.

JIM: HE IS AFTER RUNNING FOR TREASURER.

SUE: AFTER HE STEPPED IN THE RACE, HE IS THE ONE TO LOOK AT.

JASON -- TALKS ABOUT THIS FANTASY HE GOT CENTRAL FALLS OUT OF BANKRUPTCY.

HE DIDN'T.

I LOOK AT HIM AS THE JV OF MAYORS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE BUDGET.

80% IS RUN BY THE STATE, NOT CENTRAL FALLS.

HE GETS ON TV AND SAYS, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT INVESTMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE A 401(K).

WHY ARE YOU RUNNING FOR TREASURER?

HE SAYS, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO THE STAFF.

AS GENERAL TREASURER, YOU SET THE AGENDA AND SET HOW YOU INVEST THAT PENSION MONEY.

IF I WAS A STATE OFFICER NOW OR A STATE EMPLOYEE OR BELONGED TO A UNION, I WOULD NOT WANT HIM AS MY TREASURER.

I WOULD WANT JIM LATHROP WHO TALKS ABOUT, I CARE ABOUT MONEY.

HE TOOK PORTSMOUTH, WESTERLEIGH, AND NORTH KINGSTOWN AND MADE THEM FINANCIALLY STABLE.

JIM: WHAT MAY GIVE HIM COVER, MEDIA ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE AND ALL THE AIR WILL BE SUCKED OUT OF THE ROOM WITH THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

YOU WONDER HOW MUCH FOCUS THERE WILL BE.

IF IT COMES DOWN TO DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, UNFORTUNATELY IT IS OVERWHELMING.

SUE: CERTAINLY UNFORTUNATE FOR ANY MEMBER OF A UNION AND THE STATE.

JIM: THE COVERAGE.

ROB: I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT JAMES DIO SO'S RECORD, HE HAS BEEN A BIG SUCCESS.

THE PLACE HAS IMPROVED.

HE HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK TO GET IT RIGHT ON TRACK.

HE IS A SMART GUY.

HE WILL HIRE, AS ALL TREASURERS DO AND LISTEN TO ADVICE, YOU WILL HAVE GOOD INVESTMENT ADVICE AND MAKE SOUND INVESTMENT DECISIONS.

I AGREE IT IS A COMPETITIVE RACE BUT YOU REALLY UNDERESTIMATE HIM .

YOU UNDERESTIMATED HIM IN THE PRIMARY, AND HIS APPEAL AND SMARTS AND ABILITY TO HIRE GOOD PEOPLE.

DAN: I KIND OF AGREE WITH ROB ON THIS ONE.

I THOUGHT THE WINNER OF THIS PRIMARY WAS GOING TO COME OUT BATTERED AND BRUISED.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY CLOSE.

IF YOU ARE SOMEBODY LIKE JAMES, SAMINA MATOS, WHEN YOU HAVE A STRONG PERFORMANCE OUT OF A PRIMARY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, YOU ARE IN A BETTER POSITION THEN GOVERNOR MCKEE WHO IS STUMBLING OUT OF HIS PRIMARY.

I HAVE TALKED TO JIM LATHROP AND NOT ONLY WAS HE A FINANCE DIRECTOR IN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN RHODE ISLAND, I THINK HE WAS IN LONDON, CONNECTICUT, A RELATIVELY LARGE PLACE.

HE WILL BE COMPETITIVE.

HIS QUESTION IS -- I CAN GUARANTEE THAT THE VOTER WILL NOT GO INTO ON ELECTION DAY AND SAY, BOY, I REMEMBER WHO JIM IS GOING TO HIRE VERSUS -- JIM: WHO JIM IS.

DAN: THE CHALLENGE WITH A RACE THAT SHOULD REQUIRE SOME SUBSTANCE IS THERE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE EIGHT TO ON OF SUBSTANCE GOING FORWARD.

-- A TON OF SUBSTANCE GOING FORWARD.

SUE: HE'S APPEALING TO VOTERS BUT THEY HAVE TO START LOOKING AND SAYING, WE HAD A PENSION CRISIS.

WE STILL HAVE -- THEY ARE NOT GETTING COLAS.

WHO IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO FINANCIALLY HANDLE THAT?

JIM: A LOT OF NATIONAL MONEY COMING IN, NATIONAL FOCUS.

TOMI THE PATH FOR EACH CANDIDATE.

DAN: THE PATH FOR BOTH CANDIDATES IS WHERE DOES WARRICK GO?

FORMER MAYOR FUNG WILL DO WELL IN HIS OWN BACKYARD, VERY POPULAR IN THAT DISTRICT.

WON AGAINST RAMON DO, WON THE 24TH DISTRICT.

MAGAZINER, DEMOCRATS COME HOME.

MAGAZINER IS COMING VERY STRONG OUT OF HIS PRIMARY.

A LOT OF US THOUGHT HE WOULDN'T GET 50% AND HE CLEARED THAT THRESHOLD WELL.

HE NEEDS TO COMBAT THE ALAN FUNG STRENGTH IN CRANSTON WITH A SIMILAR NUMBER OF VOTES.

LOOK AT WARWICK.

ROB: I THINK IT WILL BE A NATIONALIZED RACE SO FUNG'S STRENGTHS AS A RETAIL POLITICIAN WILL NOT BE AS STRONG AS THEY WOULD BE.

CONGRESSIONAL RACES, PARTICULARLY GENERAL ELECTIONS, I THINK FUNG GETS VERY MUCH BY THE DOBBS DECISION ON ABORTION AND THE GENERAL SORT OF TREND BACK TO A PICTURE THAT IS MORE FAVORABLE TO THE DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY.

MAGAZINER, THEY BOTH HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

MAGAZINER WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS CASE ON NATIONAL ISSUES.

I THINK BECAUSE OF WHERE THE RACE IS, I GIVE MAGAZINER AN EDGE BUT IT WILL BE COMPETITIVE.

SUE: IT WILL BE CLOSE.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SIT BACK AND SAY EITHER ONE OF THEM HAVE IT IN THE BAG BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

IT WILL BE A TIGHT RACE.

I THINK WARWICK WILL BE ONE OF THE KEYS.

MAYOR FUNG.

JIM: AS GOES WARWICK, SO GOES THE NATION.

KEVIN MCCARTHY WILL BE HANGING OUT AT THE WARWICK MALL.

SUE: CRANSTON ALWAYS, I TEASE THEM AND SAY THEY THINK THE CENTER OF RHODE ISLAND AND EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND CRANSTON.

THIS TIME IT WILL BE WARWICK.

JIM: JOHN CHAFEE SAID CONGRESS WILL GO BACK AND FORTH, IS IT GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY PARTY OR THE MAJORITY PARTY?

THE PARTIES HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH AND CERTAINLY IT IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JOHN CHAFEE WAS IN.

I WONDER IF ALAN FUNG MAKES THAT ARGUMENT OR IF THINGS ARE SO TOXIC NATIONALLY, WHETHER YOU WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.

SUE: IT IS STILL A GOOD ARGUMENT TO MAKE THAT THE REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE OVER POWER.

WOULDN'T WE LIKE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN BRING HOME THE BACON TO RHODE ISLAND?

I THINK JIM LANTERMAN SAT THERE 20 YEARS AND IS A NICE GENTLEMAN.

DID HE BRING ANYTHING BACK?

I THINK JACK REED DID.

JACK REED IS EXCEPTIONAL IN THAT HE TAKES CARE OF RHODE ISLAND AND ALAN, BEING IN THE MAJORITY PARTY IN JANUARY WILL TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE SECOND DISTRICT.

DAN: IF I AM ALAN FUNG, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT NATIONAL POLITICS.

JIM: AND HE IS NOT.

DAN: RETAIL POLITICS, I AM THE MAYOR THAT JUMPS IN THE POOL WITH THE SUIT ON, HAHAHA.

HE WAS MORE POPULAR THAN ANYBODY IN CRANSTON.

HE FEELS PRETTY GOOD IF HE CAN JUST KEEP ISSUES, IF THE VOTERS GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BECAUSE THEY KNOW HIM AND LIKE HIM.

SETH MAGAZINER WILL HAVE A COMPELLING POINT.

HE WILL NATIONALIZE THE RACE.

IN RHODE ISLAND, THE BIG PICTURE ISSUES, CHOICE, GUN CONTROL STUFF, GENERALLY SPEAKING, RHODE ISLANDERS TEND TO SIDE WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

SUE: WHAT DID SETH MAGAZINER COME OUT WITH?

THE REPUBLICANS WILL TAKE YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICAID AWAY.

LET'S GROW FROM THE 1990'S.

I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T THINK ANY REPUBLICAN IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY SOCIAL SECURITY AND I GUARANTEE THAT WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE.

JIM: THERE IS SENATOR RICK SCOTT, THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN SENATE.

SUE: AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

JIM: I THINK THE ANALOGOUS RACE -- AND I MAY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE -- 2006 RACE.

LINCOLN CHAFEE WAS PERSONALLY POPULAR AND SHELDON WADE IS BEAT HIM BECAUSE WILL HE BE THE 50TH VOTE FOR SUPPORTING GEORGE BUSH?

YOU HAVE A SIMILAR DYNAMIC, WILL KEVIN MCCARTHY BE THE WINNING VOTE -- WILL HE BE THE WINNING VOTE FOR KEVIN MCCARTHY TO BE THE SPEAKER SO THE HOUSE PASSES ON ABORTION BAN, ETC.?

IT IS HARD FOR ALAN FUNG TO OVERCOME THAT AND HE IS NOT THE MOST AGILE ON THESE ISSUES.

HE HAS SCREWED THINGS UP FOR WAYS FROM SUNDAY AND HAS DISTANCED HIMSELF COMPLETELY FROM TRUMP.

THIS RACE, BECAUSE IT IS NATIONALIZED, WILL MAKE SETH A FAVORITE.

DAN: ANOTHER REASON THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE DIFFERENT, JOHN LAUGHLIN-DAVID CICILLINE WHERE DAVID CICILLINE MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY MAY BE THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

JOHN LAUGHLIN I THINK CALLED A PONZI SCHEME AND WOULD SAY THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT CAUSED ME THE RACE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY.

JIM: YOU WANT T TALK ABOUT PROVIDENCE FIVE.

DAN: ANOTHER REASON THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, DAVID SICILIAN WAS NOT POPULAR BECAUSE OF THE -- DAVID SICILIAN WAS NOT -- SUE: JOHN ALSO WAS DEPLOYED OVERSEAS.

JIM: THAT WAS IN 2012.

DAN: WHAT JOHN LAUGHLIN WOULD SAY IS IF HE HAD TWO MORE WEEKS HE WOULD WIN THE RACE.

JIM: HELENA FOULKES WOULD PROBABLY SAY THE SAME THING.

SUE: AND THEN LOOK WHAT HAPPENED AFTER 2010.

THEY REDISTRICTED THAT AND MADE SUE: THAT OUTRAGE HAS TO BE THE WAY THAT DAN MCKEE REACTED TO HELENA FOULKES.

THE APOLOGY CAME WAY TOO LATE.

WHAT HE SAID, DOES SHE HAVE A BRAIN IN HER HEAD?

SHE RAN CVS PHARMACY AND IS CERTAINLY AN ACCOMPLISHED WOMAN.

IT WAS VERY OFFENSIVE.

JIM: WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

ROB: GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS PLAYING POLITICS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES.

WE CAN ALL AGREE THERE'S A PROBLEM AT THE BORDER.

SENDING VENEZUELAN MIGRANTS WHO ARE SEEKING ASYLUM, WITH A LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT AND VENEZUELA, TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD SO YOU CAN GET ON TUCKER'S CROSS WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS GOING THERE AND NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THAT, IS TREATING PEOPLE AS IF THEY ARE LESS THAN HUMAN AND INEXCUSABLE.

DAN: I WANT TO GIVE LOVE TO MY PANELISTS HERE WHO ARE IN THE CONSULTING AND POLITICAL BUSINESS, BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU BOTH KNOW WHEN THE ELECTION IS.

[LAUGHTER] THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CALLING ME AND SAYING IF HELENA FOULKES HAD TWO MORE WEEKS, IN 2010 IT IS GENRE BUT TIGHT, WE ALL KNOW WHEN THE ELECTION IS.

YOU NEVER HEAR BILL BELICHICK SAY, I JUST GOT -- IF I JUST GOT TO OVERTIME I WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME.

THAT'S WHAT CONSTANTLY GETS SENT IN THIS RACE.

I DON'T THINK HELENA FOULKES RAN A GOOD CAMPAIGN.

SHE RAN A GOOD 12 DAY CAMPAIGN, NOT 12 MONTHS.

IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO MONTHS AGO, WE THOUGHT WOULD -- WE THOUGHT THE HOUSE WOULD DEFINITELY BE GOING TO THE REPUBLICANS, MAYBE THE SENATE, MAYBE NOT.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

LET'S START IN TERMS OF HOUSE AND SENATE NATIONALLY.

ROB: THE REPUBLICANS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IN THE HOUSE ON THE GENERIC BALLOT, THE DEMOCRATS SLIGHTLY AHEAD.

THE WAY THE DISTRICTS ARE CUT I THINK THEY ARE FURTHER AHEAD.

IT IS BETTER MONEY THAT THE DEMOCRATS WILL HOLD THE SENATE AND WE CAN THANK DONALD TRUMP FOR A SERIES OF KEY RACES -- TERRIBLE CANDIDATES IN KEY RACES.

DR. OZ IN PENNSYLVANIA, THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP.

JIM: WHAT ABOUT NATIONAL?

SUE: I AGREE WITH ROB.

JIM: WAIT A MINUTE.

SUE: I AGREE AND I THINK YOUR ASSESSMENT IS SPOT ON.

I THINK WE WILL TAKE THE HOUSE, THE SENATE IS TIGHT.

IT IS QUALITY OF CANDIDATE.

I AM PROUD OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE STEPPED UP FOR LOCAL RACES IN RHODE ISLAND.

THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SOME QUALITY CANDIDATES.

JIM: WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET TO THAT.

SUE: IT GIVES PEOPLE A CHOICE BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE STATE YOU LIVE IN.

SOME OF THE CANDIDATES, I QUESTION WHETHER THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUENTS.

JIM: THE PROBLEM IS DR. OZ DOESN'T LIVE IN PENNSYLVANIA.

SUE: DR. FEDERMAN -- NOT DR. FETTERMAN, FETTERMAN.

I LOOK AT HIM AND SAY HERE IS ANOTHER SIDE OF -- SAD EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO IS PROBABLY NOT HEALTHY ENOUGH TO RUN THE RACE.

DAN: I HATE TO BE BORING, I AGREE.

JIM: WE HAVE A KUMBAYA MOMENT.

DAN: DEMOCRATS KEEP THE SENATE.

THE ONE TO WATCH IN THE SENATE IS HERSCHEL WALKER RUNNING, BY THE WAY AN AWFUL CANDIDATE, BUT A HERO IN THAT STATE.

JIM: WE WILL DO THE UNITY HOLD IT UP AT THE END, HOLD HANDS AND GO ONTO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD LUCK.

COME BACK NEXT WEEK.

IT IS A SPRINT, LESS THAN EIGHT WEEKS TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.

HAVE A GREAT WEEK AND COME BACK NEXT WEEK.

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