>> INDIANA HAS A SEVERE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

LOOKING AHEAD TO NEXT WEEK'S PRIMARY PLUS TIM BROWN'S FINANCE CAMPAIGN QUESTIONS AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 29, 2022.

>> INDIANA WEEK REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF THE INDIANA BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> THIS YEAR NEARLY THREE QUARTERS OF THE LOWEST INCOME HOOSIERS HAVE TO SPEND HALF OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING.

THAT IS THE WORST RATE IN THE MIDWEST AND 13th WORSE IN THE COUNTRY.

THE DATA COMES FROM A HOUSING SHORTAGE COALITION AND PROSPERITY IN INDIANA.

>> THE REPORT DEFINES EXTREMELY LOW INCOME AS HOUSEHOLDS MAKING 30% OR LESS OF THE AREA'S MEDIAN INCOME AND IN INDIANA THAT IS $26,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.

THE DIRECTOR SAYS INDIANA HAS A SHORTAGE OF MORE THAN 135,000 AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOMES FOR THAT POPULATION.

>> THAT IS WHERE YOU SEE WHERE EMPLOYERS ARE SAYING THEY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING WAREHOUSE WORKERS OR SERVICE WORKERS OR HOME HEALTH CARE PROVIDER WORKERS.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE OR STAY IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

>> BRADLEY SAID ADDRESSING THE SHORTAGE REQUIRES ALL OF THE STRATEGIES THAT INCLUDE CREATIVE WAYS FOR THE MEETINGS TO MEET THE NEED.

>> THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE LAND BANKS WHERE COMMUNITY PARTNERS COME TOGETHER TO CLEAR AND MAKE PARCELS AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

>> HE NOTES THE LARGEST PROPORTION OF EXTREMELY LOW HEALTH COME -- HOUSEHOLD INCOMES ARE WORKING FAMILIES.

>> HOW CAN INDIANA ADDRESS THIS SHORTAGE.

THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR WEEKEND REVIEW PANEL.

OUR DEMOCRAT AND THE LADY.

REPUBLICAN, MICHAEL BRIAN, AND INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKKI KELLY STATEHOUSE REPORTED FOR THE GAZETTE.

AND I AM BRANDON SMITH.

CAN THIS BE LEFT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO SOLVE?

>> NO, IT CAN'T.

AND FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

WE HEAR ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, THE ECONOMY IS INFLATED.

THE HOME VALUES PLUS INFLATION, FUNDAMENTALLY YOU ARE NOT EARNING ENOUGH MONEY.

THAT IS SOMETHING THE STATE HAS TRIED TO ADDRESS FOUR YEARS.

AND UNSUCCESSFULLY IN MANY WAYS BUT SUCCESSFUL IN SOME.

YOU CAN.TO DATA, JOBS BEING CREATED OR ON THE PIPELINE WITH THE HIGHEST WAGE WE HAVE EVER HAD.

BUT, FUNDAMENTALLY, WE HAVE COME UP SHORT AND WHAT THEY SET OUT TO DO WAS TO RAISE HOOSIERS INCOME AND A FOCUS WE HAVE LOST IN A LOT OF WAYS.

FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE FIRST RING OF THE LATTER.

AND CENTRAL INDIANA DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS, THEY DO IT FOR PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE AND ONE IS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ONE THING THEY ARE SEEING NOW, HOUSES GOING ON THE MARKET THAT THEY WOULD BUY AND REHAB SO THEY ARE LIVABLE, THEY ARE LOSING TO OUT-OF-STATE INVESTMENT GROUPS THAT ARE SNAPPING THEM UP BECAUSE THESE ALGORITHMS ARE LETTING THEM PICK THESE THINGS UP FOR CASH, IT IS CHANGING THE MISSION.

IT EXPANDS THE GENTRIFICATION TO DOWNTOWN AND THIS IS A PROBLEM.

IT'S A PROBLEM IN A LOT OF AREAS IT WILL REQUIRE MORE THAN REPUBLICANS OR WHOEVER SAINT THE MARKET WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

>> THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM A BIG SHIP TO TURN.

WHAT A SOMETHING THAT STATE OF INDIANA CAN DO TO HELP.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THE STATE CAN DO, FOR EXAMPLE THEY COULD HAVE ADAPTED A LIVABLE WAGE A LONG TIME AGO.

THEY COULD HAVE PUT MONEY INTO TAX CREDITS.

THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES.

WE DID ONE WHEN I WAS AT THE JULIAN CENTER AND WE HAD FEDERAL TAX CREDITS.

THEY ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE.

AND THE STATE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THAT.

WE ALSO NEED TENANTS RIGHTS.

WE HAVE THE HIGHEST EVICTION RATE IN THE MIDWEST IN ADDITION TO THESE THINGS.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS THAT PRESENT PROBLEMS.

IF WE COULD GET STABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE, THAT WAS AFFORDABLE, PERFORMANCE IN SCHOOL WOULD GO UP.

PEOPLE WOULD NOT RELOCATE EVERY THREE MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING IS SUBSTANDARD AND THEY DON'T HAVE WATER, HEAT OR THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE RENT.

THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT THAT WOULD BE POSITIVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT IS WHERE IT TAKES INITIATIVE.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT WITH THE MAJORITY FOR YEARS.

THEIR APPROACHES CUT TAXES AND NOTHING ELSE.

THAT IS ALL WE DO IS CUT TAXES.

WE DON'T LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS OR THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE DON'T LOOK AT HOW TO MAKE INDIANA A BETTER PLACE.

WE COMPLAINED THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE FOR THE JOBS AT THE LOWER END OF THE SCALE BUT WE DON'T TAKE THE STEPS TO MAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE.

IT IS A TOTAL LACK OF VISION.

>> WE JUST TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK ABOUT WHAT THEY SENT ABOUT INDIANA FALLING BEHIND IN SOME OF THESE COMPETITIVE AREAS WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY OF LIFE.

THIS SEEMS TO GET TO SOME OF THAT.

NOTRE DAME STUDENT POLICY, A GROUP CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THIS WEEK THAT ALSO SAID, YES, INDIANA PASSED THE EVICTION EXPUNGEMENT OR SOME EVICTION FILINGS WHICH WAS A GREAT STEP.

BUT INDIANA IS ONE OF ONLY FIVE STATES THAT DOES NOT HAVE REPAIR AND DEDUCT LEGISLATION IF YOUR AND LANDLORD IS IT ADDRESSING A PROBLEM YOU CAN DEDUCT IT FROM YOUR RENT.

THE LEGISLATION NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS BY FOLLOWING ALONG WITH SOME OF THE COUNTRY?

>> THERE IS NO ONE SILVER BULLET.

NOT ONE THING THAT WILL FIX IT.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TAX CREDITS.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TAKING UNUSED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND TURNING IT INTO STRIPMALL'S THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND OTHER STATES ARE TURNING THOSE INTO SMALL APARTMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

LIKE WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WEBSITE.

WE CAN SEE WHERE THERE ARE NEEDS.

THERE IS ALSO NOT IN MY BACKYARD STUFF GOING ON.

THEY HAVE ZONING RULES.

LITTLE THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO, THAT ARE DRIVING THE COSTS UP LIKE REQUIRED PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY PERSONAL LIVES THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE THINGS ARE DRIVING THE COSTS OF.

AND TO BE FAIR THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF LEFTOVER FROM THE PANDEMIC WHEN THOSE LANDLORDS, WITH THE EVICTION A MORATORIUM, SOME PEOPLE WENT FOR A YEAR END DID NOT GET MONEY.

THEY ARE ALSO CHARGING A HIGHER RENT TRYING TO CHARGE THREE TIMES.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THREE TIMES YOUR INCOME TO GET INTO THEIR SLOTS BECAUSE THEY GOT BURNED TOO.

>> AS NIKKI JUST SAID, THERE IS NO ONE THING.

THERE IS A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE SECTOR SIDE.

BUT FROM THE GOVERNMENTAL SIDE, WE TALKED, AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THOSE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESPOND TO THE CRITICISM, IS THIS -- IF STUFF LIKE THIS REPORT AND OTHER THINGS START TO PILE UP DOES THAT BEGIN TO CHANGE MINDS?

>> I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO UNDO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE DONE, I'M REFERRING TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT HELPS THE PROBLEM.

I'M SURE THEY ARE NOT JUST BEING ACTIVE OF PEOPLE BEING HOMELESS OR ENCOURAGING, THEY HAVE GONE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE DISCUSSION BUT I WILL DO MY BEST FROM MEMORY.

IN BLOOMINGTON, WHICH IS BY THE WAY THE MOST -- THE LEAST AFFORDABLE LEASING IN THE STATE OF INDIANA BUT IN ANY CASE, THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH BLOOMINGTON, THE OLD DUNHILL APARTMENT COMPLEX, IMMEDIATELY WEST OF MEMORIAL STADIUM, WHEN A CHICAGO-BASED FIRM READ ABOUT THE AREA AND IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AT A PROGRAM WHERE IT WAS ABLE TO EXTRACT AS PART OF THE REZONING AND APPROVAL PROCESS, A PAYMENT.

I WANT TO SAY AND I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, MAYBE $1 MILLION FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GO INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AFTER THAT THEY DID NOT LIKE WHAT IT'S ALL AND I BELIEVE NOW ONE OF THE PREEMPTIONS IT HAD SOUGHT AND ENACTED, IN OTHER YEARS, PLASTIC BAGS AND GROCERY STORES WERE NOT THE ONLY ORDINANCE.

I BELIEVE THIS NOTION OF FORCING DEVELOPERS TO PAY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PREREQUISITE FOR GETTING THE ZONING APPROVAL AND BRINGING LIFE TO THE PROJECT.

THAT WAS AN INSTANCE.

THE LAST TIME IT WAS USE WAS BY BLOOMINGTON AND THE LONGER AVAILABLE TO CITIES BECAUSE OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

>> SPEAKING OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MORT STATEHOUSE LAWMAKERS FACE PRIMARY CHALLENGES THIS YEAR THAN ANY ELECTION IN THE DECADE.

THERE ARE 26 HOUSE RACES THAT INCLUDE ONE INCOME BUT THIS YEAR.

THAT IS THE MOST SINCE 2008 WHEN THERE WERE 28.

A FEW OF THE SEATS FEATURE TO INCUMBENTS.

SOMETHING THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL AFTER A REDISTRICTING ERA.

MOST OF THE CHALLENGES ARE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, BUT NOT THAT UNUSUAL IN A DOMINATE STATE.

INCUMBENT LOSSES IN THE PRIMARY ARE NOT COMMON INDIANA THERE'S TYPICALLY NO MORE THAN 1-2 PER ELECTION.

THERE ARE NO STATEWIDE ELECTION RESULTS TO WATCH THE U.S. SENATE PRIMARIES ARE UNCONTESTED BETWEEN TODD YOUNG AND DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER TOM MCDERMOTT.

THERE ARE OTHER THREE ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL.

THE TREASURER BUT THE CANDIDATES ARE CHOSEN AT THE POLITICAL PARTY CONVICTIONS SEVERAL WEEKS FROM NOW.

>> A LOT MORE INCUMBENT, SHOULD WE BE WORRIED.

>> A LOT MORE, YOU HAVE TWO DISTRICTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO INCUMBENTS RUNNING AGAINST EACH OTHER.

OBVIOUSLY TWO OF THEM WILL LOSE.

THEN YOU HAVE -- >> THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE.

>> THERE ARE TWO APPOINTED STATE SENATORS.

>> TWO IN THE HOUSE AND ONE OF THE SENATE.

>> TECHNICALLY, COUNTED ON MY LIST.

>> AND IF REPRESENTATIVE JACOBS WHEN IT WON'T BECAUSE THE CAUCUS DIDN'T DUMP -- EVERY TIME I TURN ON THE TV, THE LIFE LIBERTY AND RULE OF LAW IS ON THEIR.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM JACOB.

THERE ARE 1-TO OTHERS THAT ARE AT RISK.

I DON'T THINK 26 BUT WE WILL SEE MORE TURNOVER THAN WE HAVE.

AND DOES IT GO FARTHER TO THE RIGHT ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, OR DO WE GET PEOPLE THAT HAVE A BRAIN, AND WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

>> I THINK THE MOST IN THE LAST DECADE, OUR THREE.

OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL GET SOME BECAUSE SOME HAVE TO LOSE.

THOSE NOTWITHSTANDING, TO BE TOP THREE LOSING THIS CYCLE?

>> YOU COULD.

AND I THINK THEY ARE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY ON SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING AGAINST INCUMBENTS.

THEY DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT THEY PROTECT INCUMBENTS EXCLUSIVELY.

THEY WILL PICK AND GET INVOLVED ON THE PRIMARY SIDE.

THEY HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN A BIG WAY.

I DOUBT IT HAS BEEN SEEN IN MODERN POLITICS.

YOU OTHER -- YOU HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT TYPICALLY HAVE POLICIES AND SAY WE ARE STAYING OUT OF PRIMARIES.

THEY ARE GETTING IN BECAUSE THE PROSPECT OF A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WINNING WHO -- IS NOT EVEN HOW FAR TO THE RIGHT IT IS HOW TETHERED YOU ARE TO REALITY AND REASONABLENESS.

>> I WOULD ARGUE -- >> THEY SEE SOME OF THIS AND SAY WE CAN'T AFFORD TO SAY WE WILL STAY OUT BECAUSE THE DOWNSIDE TO LOSING A FEW ARE SO BAD, IT IS WORSE THAN BEING ON THE WRONG SIDE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

EVEN IF IT IS DOUBLED.

THE HIGHEST NUMBER LOSING, EVEN IF IT IS DOUBLED, THEY WOULD BE IN DISTRICTS THAT WOULD MEAN THEIR VICTORY IN NOVEMBER.

SIX OF THESE PEOPLE IN THE CAUCUS, OUT OF WHAT IS STILL LIKELY TO BE AROUND 70 DOES THAT MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE?

>> I THINK IT COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE.

EVEN IF IT DOES NOT DECIDE AN ISSUE WHETHER YOU SEE RED LIGHTS WERE GREEN LIGHTS.

IT COULD MEAN THE AGENDA IS SHAPED BY THESE NEWLY ELECTED MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN SOCIAL ISSUES THAT THEY ARE ADAMANT ABOUT.

WHETHER IT IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY, LOTS OF THINGS, AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERN THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE THERE TO DO.

IT COULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES LIKE THE QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUES, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

MEDICAL AND HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING ANY INDICATED THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

IT JUST MEANS MORE HURTING IN TERMS OF THE SPEAKER WHO ALREADY HAVE THE TOUGHEST JOB IN TOWN.

>> THEY EXCLUDE HIM FROM THE CAUCUS.

NOW THEY HAVE CREATED THIS LIBERTY CAUCUS.

>> PROBABLY LOOKING AT ANOTHER CAUCUS.

>> YOU LOOK AT IT OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL CAUCUS.

>> I READ A STORY ABOUT THE LIBERTY CAUCUS GROUP THAT'S FUNDING A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES.

AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO HAS ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES RUNNING AGAINST HIM SAID, THEY WERE DESCRIBING THESE PEOPLE AS ALL OR NOTHING AS CANDIDATES AND POTENTIAL POLITICIANS.

THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE COMPROMISE WE SEE EVEN WITH A SUPER MAJORITY REPUBLICAN.

>> WE SAW A GREAT EXAMPLE WHEN THEY FIRST INTRODUCED THE VACCINE MANDATE EMPLOYER MANDATE BUILT WE HAD THESE PEOPLE SAYING NO, JUST FLAT OUT BAN IT, NO WORK.

>> NO WORKING AND DATE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE MONEY.

THAT IS THE THING.

THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN COMPROMISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

TAKE ONE THING FROM INTERVIEWING THEM, OTHER THAN THAT ONE MAY BE IT IS ABORTION FOR SOMEONE MAYBE IT IS TRANSGENDER SPORTS FOR SOMEONE ELSE, OTHER THAN THEIR ONE MAIN ISSUE, THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

I WILL ASK THEM ABOUT TAX CUTS OR THE BUDGET, AND NO CLUE, NO IDEA.

THEY ARE FOCUS ON ONE OR TWO THINGS AND THAT IS IT.

>> IT BUMS ME OUT.

>> TIME FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK EACH WEEK WE POSE A QUESTION IN THIS WEEK'S QUESTION, HOW MANY STATE IN-HOUSE INCUMBENTS WILL LOSE IN THE ELECTION, LAST WEEK'S QUESTION WAS WILL INDIANA FULLY LEGALIZE CANNABIS WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

41% SAY YES.

59% SAY NO.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FALL ON THAT ONE.

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>> RETIRING HOUSE REPUBLICAN TIM BROWN CLOSE OUT HIS CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT BY PAYING HIMSELF NEARLY 30,000 DOLLARS.

MONEY HE SAYS ESSENTIALLY DID NOT REALLY EXIST.

THAT IS FROM A STORY THIS WEEK IN THE GAZETTES.

>> BROWN IS RETIRING AFTER THREE DECADES IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

HE SENT $12,000 TO THE CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE 3,000 WAS WIPED TELLING THE GAZETTE IT WAS REINFORCEMENT FOR A STAFF DINNER AND GAVE HIMSELF THE REST.

A LITTLE LESS THAN 30,000 DOLLARS.

HE TOLD MICKEY KELLY THE MONEY WASN'T REALLY IN HIS ACCOUNT.

HE SAID THE INDIANA ELECTION DIVISION HAD HIM RICHER THAN HE WAS.

IN ORDER TO CLOSE THE ACCOUNT THERE MUST BE $0 LEFT SO HE SAID HE WROTE UP THE REMAINING MONDAY AS AND EXPENDITURES TO HIMSELF.

BUT HE SAID HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET A DIME.

>> I COULDN'T COME UP WITH A BETTER QUESTION.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING.

>> LET ME TELL YOU WHAT.

I HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON THE RULES FOR WHEN YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PAY YOURSELF.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PAY YOURSELF OR LIKE LOST WAGES.

AND I CALLED DOCTOR BROWN AND I WAS NOT READY FOR I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET ANY MONEY, IT DOESN'T EXIST.

>> AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A VETERAN.

>> SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, THERE WAS MASSIVE COMMUNICATION ERRORS.

SOMEONE COULD HAVE STOLE THE MONEY HE COULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO SOMEONE.

AND THEY FORGOT TO NOTED.

THE FACT IS, HE DID NOT APPEAR TO CARE WHERE THE INITIAL MISTAKE WAS AN HOUR LONG IT WAS GOING ON.

HIS ANSWER WAS TO FILE A FAKE REPORT SAYING HE GOT MONEY WHEN HE DIDN'T.

>> IN TERMS OF PEOPLE CARING, HOW MUCH WILL IT BE SINCE HE IS RETIRING?

>> I THINK PEOPLE CARE FOR THE REASONS NIKKI MENTIONED.

IT IS EXASPERATED BY THE FACT, THIS IS A FELLOW WHO SPENT THE LAST DECADE WRITING.

YOU WOULD THINK, HE KNOWS WHICH ACCOUNT TO PUT IT IN.

BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, WHETHER PEOPLE CARE OR NOT DOESN'T MATTER.

THERE ARE NO REPERCUSSIONS.

HE IS RETIRING.

EVEN IF NO ONE AS FILE, NO ONE HAS FILED A COMPLAINT.

EVEN IF SOMEONE FILES A COMPLAINT, AND THE ELECTRIC COMMITTEE DECIDES TO PURSUE IT AND THEY FIND IT WAS FRAUDULENT, WHAT IS THE WORD YOU USED?

>> A BOGUS REPORT.

>> WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, IT IS A $100 FINE.

ANNIE HAS 30,000 DOLLARS.

>> HE COULD PAY WITH MONOPOLY MONEY.

AND HIS WIFE GOT $3,000.

PEOPLE SHOULD CARE BECAUSE, THAT IS THE VALIDITY OF OUR PROCESS.

WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY SO WE CAN SEE HOW CANDIDATES ARE RAISING MONEY AND SPENDING MONEY.

>> IF THIS WAS A MISTAKE IN BOOKKEEPING AND IT CAN BE RESOLVED, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WENT.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T AFFECT TIM BROWN BECAUSE HE IS RETIRING, BUT IF IT WENT TO SOMEONE ELSE OR CAME FROM SOMEONE ELSE, THAT COULD BE SOMEONE STILL INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL SCENE.

>> SURE, IDEALLY.

>> I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THIS PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY ARE NOT FRAUDULENT VIOLATIONS.

JUST MAYBE THEY DIDN'T INPUT IT CORRECTLY.

OR YOU ACCEPTED WHAT WASN'T MONEY BUT IT IS IN-AND-OUT OF THE REPORT AS MONEY.

IT CAN GET AWAY FROM YOU.

ESPECIALLY.

AN ERA THAT WAS YEARS AGO.

AND YOU ARE TRYING TO UNWIND IT.

EVERY FILING YOU MAKE IS RELATIVE TO THE INCORRECT FILING.

>> THE AVERAGE PERSON WILL SAY HOW DOES THIS EXIST, BUT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE IS NO MONEY.

>> IT COULD BE THAT BUT IT IS HARD TO SEE HOW YOU WOULD HAVE 30,000 DOLLARS CONTRIBUTION SO IT HAS PROBABLY BEEN A PATTERN THEY HAVE DONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

DOES IT MATTER IN THAT REGARD, PROBABLY NOT BUT YOU LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING DONE AND HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, THIS WAS NOT HIS FIRST RODEO.

>> HE HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

YOU WITH THINK, IF THAT WAS ALL THERE WAS A SIMPLE MISTAKE IT COULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED A LONG TIME AGO.

>> INDIANA ATTORNEY GENERAL TAKEN A MAJOR BLACK LIVES MATTER ORGANIZATION TO COURT.

YOU WANT THEM TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS.

WHILE IT IS A MOVEMENT IT IS THE NAME OF SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE WORLD AND ONE OF THE FOREMOST IS THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOBILE NETWORK FOUNDATION WHICH WAS FOUNDED IN 2013 AND HAS CHAPTERS AROUND THE COUNTRY INCLUDING INDIANA.

>> HE STARTED AN INVESTIGATION OF A COUPLE OF AGO SEEKING INFORMATION ON HOW THEY WERE USING DONATIONS USED BY HOOSIERS.

MOUNT THE -- NOW THEY ARE TAKING THEM TO COURT.

HE SAID THE ORGANIZATION RAISE MORE THAN $90 MILLION IN 2020 ENSURE THE RESOURCES WE CHAPTERS THAT INCLUDE SOUTH BEND, BUT REPORTED TO THE IRS THAT YEAR THAT THEY HAD $0 IN REVENUE, EXPENSES AND ABSENCE.

A COUPLE OF CHAPTERS CALLED FOR GREATER TRANSPARENCY FROM THE GLOBAL NETWORK FOUNDATION.

>> SO THE FIRST THING IS, THEY SAY THIS IS POLITICAL BUT WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER AFFILIATED GROUPS ALSO ASKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FROM THIS FOUNDATION DOES HE HAVE A POINT HERE?

>> HE HAS A POINT.

IT IS A VERY VALID POINT.

I ASSUME HE IS ACTING IN HIS ROLE AS THE CHIEF CONSUMER WATCHDOG, WHICH IS PART OF HIS SCOPE AND THE SCOPE HE HAS BEEN GIVEN BY THE STATE OF INDIANA.

HE IS NOT STRETCHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

IF IN FACT, HE IS ENTITLED TO THAT INFORMATION, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THAT INFORMATION, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THAT INFORMATION.

IF YOU ARE A NONPROFIT YOU HAVE TO FILE YOUR IRS 990 FORMS, WHICH SPELL OUT A LOT OF THE FINANCES.

YOU DO IT.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM HIS OFFICE AND THE RELEASE PUT OUT, ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THEY ASKED FOR WORK THEIR 990s AND PRESUMABLY, THEY ARE ON FILE SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN A STATE WHERE YU ARE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE AND RAISE MONEY, I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN ANY RESPONSE.

>> THE SOUTH BEND CHAPTER WHICH RECEIVES SOME MONEY, THEY CAME OUT AND SAID WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WE BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY, WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM.

IN TERMS OF THE POLITICS HOW DOES THIS SHAKEOUT?

>> I THINK IT HELPS TO HAVE A JUDGE INVOLVED BECAUSE IT TAKES THE POLITICAL OUT OF IT.

IT IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON DEMANDING ANOTHER GROUP, A LIBERAL GROUP PAPERWORK SO TO SPEAK.

AT LEAST THERE WILL BE A JUDGE TO GET ANOTHER NAME AND PERSON TO REVIEW AND NO ISSUES.

>> DOES HE HAVE A POINT?

>> HE MAY APPLE POINT, BUT I AM SURE THE NEXT THING HE WILL DO IS HAVE MISAPPROPRIATIONS OF FUNDS.

WE HAVE A CHAPTER IN INDIANA.

>> WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE PROSECUTED FOR THAT.

>> HE SHOULD BE IN COURT.

>> THAT'S PROBABLY HOW WE FOUND OUT.

>> THAT IS INDIANA WEEKEND REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL.

AND NIKKI KELLY OF THE CONSENT.

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