A surprising state revenue forecast.

Marlin Stutzman vying for his old job.

Plus, a weakened physician non-compete bill and more.

From the television studios at WFYI, it's Indiana Week in Review for the week ending April 21, 2023.

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING stations This week, Indiana lawmakers will have about one-point-five billion more dollars to work with in the new state budget than previously expected as a surprising new state revenue forecast was unveiled.

Predictions heading into Wednesday were that the new revenue forecast would be roughly in line with what lawmakers heard back in December, when they began crafting a new budget.

Instead, they'll have more than a billion more dollars to spend, as a rosier economic outlook drives up expectations for tax revenue over the next two years.

Senate budget architect Ryan Mishler says Indiana is in a strong place.

>>> THERE'S MORE MONEY BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE ASKING, BUT WE'RE FORTUNATE TO BE IN THAT POSITION.

>> MISHLER AND HOUSE BUDGET ARCHITECT JEFF THOMPSON APPOINTMENT OUT HAVE TO WORK OUT KEY DECISIONS.

>> IT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY.

>> THE SESSION MUST END NO LATER THAN APRIL 29.

>> WHAT DOES THE REVENUE FORECAST DO FOR FINAL BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

I'M STATEHOUSE BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN DOES THIS MIDCOAST THOSE NEGOTIATIONS EASIER?

>> NO, IT MAKES THEM MORE DIFFICULT.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE BEING AT HOME, IF YOU HAVE NO MONEY THE DECISIONS ARE EASY ON WHAT TO BUY.

NOTHING.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY AND MORE MONEY.

>> RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT DOES TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE BUDGET, MAYBE WEREN'T MADE WHOLE WITH THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN BUDGET, NOW WE'RE BACK AT THE TABLE, SO IT DOES MAKE IT MORE -- IT MAKES I SEE IT EASIER BECAUSE YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY IN SOME WAYS AND MAKE IT HARDER IN OTHER WAYS BECAUSE NOW WHATEVER PRIORITIES WERE THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDED, THEY'RE BACK ON THE DRAWING BOARD.

>> YEAH, I MISHLER SAID IT MAKES OUR JOBS HARDER BUT IT'S A NICE PROBLEM TO HAVE.

ONE OF THE STICKING POINTS IS GOING TO BE VOUCHER SPENDING.

WITH 1.5 BILLION MORE OVERTHE NEXT BUDGET IS SIGNIFICANT VOUCHER EXPANSION NOW LIKELY?

>> FOR NINE PERCENT OF THE STUDENTS AS OPPOSED TO 91% OF THE STUDENTS.

THEY'RE NOT GETTING RAGS MUCH AS THEY OUGHT TO GET, THE IRENY IS HOW LITTLE CREDIT JOE BIDEN GETS FOR HOW THE ECONOMY IS DOING.

THE RECESSION WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON THE HORIZON.

INFLATION HAS GONE DOWN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS TOO, SO I THINK IT MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE MEANING OF FUNDING FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND HEALTH AND I ALSO THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROPERTY TACK RELIEF.

SENATE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT EITHER.

CUTTING THE INCOME TAX DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.

PROPERTY TAXES ARE A PROBLEM AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS PUT MORE STATE MONEY INTO SCHOOLS SO YOU TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THE LOCAL PROPERTY TACKS TO GET RAISED AGAIN OR HAVE REFERENDA AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ENOUGH TO DO ROADS AND POLICE.

SO I THINK REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON'S APPROACH IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING AND THEY BETTER DEAL WITH PROPERTY TAX INCREASES.

>> I THINK THE PRO-TEM SENATOR SAID THERE WILL BE FOUR OR FIVE SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY TAX PROVISIONS THIS THE BILL THAT'S FLOATING AROUND OUTS THERE BY THE END OF THE SESSION.

TWO YEARS AGO WE GOT A REVENUE FORECAST IN APRIL THAT WAS 2 BILLION MORE DOLLARS, EVERYBODY FREAKED OUT, IT WAS LEEK HOLY COW, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN AND A WEEK AGO LEADERS WERE SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FORECAST IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BUT IT WILL BE ROUGHLY WHAT IT WAS IN DECEMBER, TO YEARS AGO THERE WAS ALL THAT FEDERAL STIMULUS MUST BE SO IT MADE SENSE WHY THERE HAVE SO MUCH MAKE SURE MONEY, IS THIS LESS SHOCKING?

>> I THINK IT WAS MORE SHOCKING.

I WAS GOING WITH WHAT THE LEADERS WERE SAYING, IT WOULD BE A SMALL BUMP BUT NOTHING BIG.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THIS PROBLEM TO HAVE IN I HAD TO DEAL WITH STATE BUDGET, I WOULD TAKE THIS PROBLEM BUT I THINK THEY'VE BEEN CLEAR THE MENTAL HEALTH FUNDING WILL DEFINITELY GO UPPER PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING SEEMS PRETTY SOLID, THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY SENATE REPUBLICANS WITH NOT GIVE SOMETHING TO VOUCHERS.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT K-12 SPENDING WHILE AN INCREASE DID NOT KEEP UP WITH THE INFLATION SO HOPEFULLY THEY CAN DO ANOTHER COUPLE PERCENTAGE.

>> AND RESEARCHES MIGHT GET THEIR FULL $1 BILLION TO PAY OFF -- >> AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE SENATE PROPOSAL ALREADY HAD THE BILLION AND WAS KEEPING 3.2 BILLION THIS RESERVE SO THIS IS ON TOP OF THAT.

>> ACKNOWLEDGE LIKE, THIS IS -- WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE OF THE MONEY THAN I'VE LISTENING ON.

>> AND IT MIGHT BE CLOSE TO ANOTHER ABOUT REFUND.

>> AND REMEMBER ALSO THE 500 MILLION IN MODE -- MEDICAID THAT WILL COME BACK TO US TOO.

>> THIS WILL PROBABLY KILL THE CIGARETTE TAX.

>> YOU HAVE TO THINK THE WAY THEY PAY FOR FUNDING ON MENTAL HEALTH IS GOING TO BE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BUT TO THAT POINT THE ONE THING THAT WILL NO AND UP AND WHERE THE PUBLIC HEALTH FUNDING IS NOW WHICH IS THE CHAMBERS WERE PRETTY MUCH AT 225 MILLION WHICH IS LESS THAN THE GOVERNOR'S -- WELL WAY LESS THAN THE PUBLIC HOLT COMMISSION FIRST REM AND WAY LESS THAN THE REVISED RECOMMENDATION.

ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT NUMBER IS NOT GOING TO GO UP?

>> YES, A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE NEED WAS SO DIRE.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES ON THE SHOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INEQUITY THAT HEALTH DEPARTMENTS FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY -- I MEAN $88 PER CAPITA IN MARION COUNTY, 88-CENTS ON THE OHIO RIVER, SO IT'S -- THERE'S A DIRE NEED.

I MEAN LOOK AT HOOSIERS AND I POINT TO -- WE'RE NOT THE HOLT YES, SIR HEATERS GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT I SHOULD SAY I'M NOT AS SURPRISEsED AS ALL OF YOU BUT JANUARY, MARCH IT WAS ANOTHER UNEXPECTED BONANZA.

FEBRUARY WAS 11 PERCENT ABOVE PROJECTION, SO THIS IS NOT TOTALLY UNEXPECTED, I GUESS, MAYBE TO THIS EXTENT.

BUT WHAT THIS DOES IT SEEMS TO ME IS KICKS DOWN -- POSTPONED UNTIL ANOTHER DAY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY SOME OF THE SHARP IDEOLOGICAL DEBATES THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DETERMINED AND I'M NOT TALKING REPUBLICAN -- R VERSUS D, I'M TALKING R VERSUS R AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS WIND FALL YOU WOULD HAVE THAT CLASH, AND THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S 91 PERCENT VERSUS NINE, I THINK THAT'S FRAUGHT -- IF KIDS GET THEIR WAY THE NUMBERS SHIPMENT DEMOCRATICALLY IT WOULD BE 50/50 OR THE ADVOCATE WOULD SAY IF YOU PUT TRUTH SERUM IN THEY'RE VEINS WE 1100 PRIVATE AND THAT'S WHY THE DOLLARS ARE GOING.

>> THEY DON'T LABOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, IS THAT I DON'T LIKE TEACHERS EITHER.

>> TO THE NEGATIVES NOTION OF PUBLIC HEALTH THAT'S KNOT JUST MONEY, THAT HAD TO DO WITH IDEOLOGY -- >> THE APP TIE SINCE SENTIMENTS.

SO A LOT OF THAT WILL BE MASKED OR MITIGATED BY THE FACT THAT WE CAN DELAY THOSE ARGUMENTS FOR ANOTHER DAY.

>> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN URGE SCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL QUESTION AND THIS WEEK'S QUESTION IS SHOULD SPENDING 1 BILLION DOLLARS TO PAY DOWN DEALT IN A TEACHER PENSION FUND BE PART OF THE NEW STATEMENT BUDGET?

A.

YES.

B.

NO.

LAST WEEK WE ASKED YOU WHETHER A PARENT SHOULD BE NOTIFIED BY A SCHOOL WHEN THEIR CHILD ASKS TO CHANGE THEIR NAME OR PRO-NORTHERNS.

49 PERCENT OF YOU SAY YES 51 PERCENT SAY NO AND WE DEFINITELY SAW MORE ANSWERS THAN USUAL IN THAT POLL.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

>>> FORMER THIRD DISTRICT REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MARLIN STUTZMAN IS RUNNING FOR HIS OLD JOB.

HE OFFICIAL LINAGESSED HIS BID THIS WEEK.

>> THE SEAT WILL BE OPEN THIS 2024 AS CURRENT CONGRESSMAN JIM BANKS RUNS FOR THE U.S. SENATE.

STUTZMAN SERVED AS 30 DISTRICTS REPRESENTATIVE FROM 2010 TO 2017 LEAVING THE CINCINNATI AFTER LOSING TO TODD YOUNG.

HE JOINS A POOL OF CANDIDATES IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THAT ALREADY INCLUDES FORMER ALLEN COUNTY CIRCUITED JUDGE WENDY DAVIS, STATE SENATOR ANDY ZAY, ATTORNEY LIKES, MIKE FELKER AND RETIRED ARMY VETERAN JOHN KENWORTHY.

ANN DELANY DOES HE AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A FRONT RUNNER?

>> MARLIN STUTZMAN -- EXCUSE ME.

HERE'S WITHIN OUT OF THE PICTURE FOR 13 YEARS.

>> NO, 2016.

>> NO, 2010 HE TRIED TO RUN.

>> NO HE CAME IN 2010 AND 2016 RAN IN THE SENATE AGAINST TODD YOUNG.

>> I THOUGHT HE RAN FOR EVAN'S OPEN SEAT.

NO?

HE DID IN TEN.

>> THEN HE TRIED AGAIN YEARS WHATEVER, MY NORMAL -- -- >> IT'S BEEN HALF A DECADE.

>> MY NORMAL ROUTINE ON THIS IS IF YOU HAVE FIVE SUITS AND ONE SKIRT IN A PRIMARY LIKE THAT THE SKIRT WINS AND I WOULD THINK THAT SHE WOULD HAVE A LEGISLATION UP SO TO SPEAK ON ALL OF THOSE GUYS.

>> I THINK SHE IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE ONE OF THE FRONT RUNNERS BUT HOW MUCH DOES STUTZMAN ENTERING THIS RACE CHANGE THE MID-ATLANTIC?

>> IT ALWAYS MATTERS.

HE HAS NAME ID, HE HAS BUILT IN WORK, HIS WIFE CHRISTIE WAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND AL RAN FOR CONGRESS AT ONE POINT, SO THERE ARE HIGHER PROFILE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MATTERS BUT SO DOES A SITTING JUDGE AND SO DOES A STATE SENATOR, ANDY ZAY AND OTHERS, SO IN A FIVE WAY PRIMARY I THINK ANN -- PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE SCALE A LITTLE BIT IF YOU'RE THE WOMAN BECAUSE YOU CAN DIFFERENTIATE YOURSELF.

>> SUSAN BROOKS WITH TELL YOU THAT.

>> THEY HAVE A GREAT DELEGATION AND CAN THEY'RE PRETTY HIGH ON WENDY.

>> I DO WANT TO ASK THIS, WE WENT THROUGH A ROUND OF REDISTRICTING, THE 50 DISTRICT CHANGED A FAIR AMOUNT.

THE FIRST DISTRICT CHANGED A LITTLE.

THE THIRD DIDN'T REFERRAL CHANGE THAT MUCH.

HOW MUCH DISEASE THAT HELP STUTZMAN?

THE ROUGHLY THE SAME DISTRICT HE PREVIOUSLY -- >> THE THE THEORY WOULD HOLD THAT TO THE EXTEND THAT PEOPLE HAVE A MEMORY AND THERE'S LITTLE TURNOVER IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE STATE.

I MEAN AND THAT'S NOT A LOT OF COMING AND GOING THERE OTHER THAN JUST HUMAN ATTRITION.

YOU KNOW, LIVING AND DYING.

THERE WILL BE -- >> HUMAN ATTRITION.

>> THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM FOR DEATH.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE UNPLEASANT ASPECTS.

IN WE WERE IN A LESS POLITICAL TIME I WOULD SAY MORE ABHER ASSESSMENT OF THE RACE BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH A DECENT NAME ID, SO GENDER CERTAINLY COULD BE A DISTINGUISHING FACTOR BUT BEING SOMEBODY WHO PRESUMABLY COLLECTED SOME POLITICALIUOS FROM THAT -- >> OR IRRITATED SOME PEOPLE.

>> TO THAT END THE NAME RECOGNITION HELPS SO MUCH ESPECIALLY IF THE FIELD GETS MORE CROWDED.

IT'S GOING TO BE, I RECOGNIZE THAT NAME, OKAY.

DOES IT HURT THIS FACT THAT HE'S BEEN GOING SO LONG AND NOW HERE'S RUNNING AGAIN?

I DIDN'T WORKS AND NOW HE WARRANTS TO COME BACK.

>> I THINK GENERALLY WHAT MIGHT WORK AGAINST HIM IS SORT OF THE OFFICE HOPPING THING, LIKE, YOU KNOW HE WANTED TO BE A CONGRESS THEN YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE A COMMON THEN YOU WANTED TO BE A SENATOR AND THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT AND HIS WIFE IS ALSO REPUBLICAN CAN GO THEN LEAVING, IT'S PUT SOME PEOPLE OFF IN NORTHEAST INDIANA BUT I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES IS THAT THE ALLEN COUNTY CONTINGENTS IS NUMERICALLY BIGGER THAN THE OUTSKIRTS OF THAT @DISTRICT WHERE MARLIN IS MORE WELL KNOWN SO I THINK IT WILL BE HARD TO BEAT AN ALLEN COUNTY PERSON IN THE DISTRICT.

>> SO SEEMS LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT THE ONE TO BEAT BUT WE'LL SEE.

LEGISLATION THAT CLEARED THE HOUSE THIS WEEK WILL RING NON-COMPETE AGREEMENTS ON SOME PHYSICIAN BUT BUT INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING AT ADAMS RAYES REPORTS THE FINAL VERSION IS WEAKER THAN WHAT WILL THE STATE ORIGINALLY PASSED WHICH FULLY BANNED SUCH AGREEMENTS.

>> THE HOUSE VERSION STILL PARTLY BANS NEW NON-COMPETE AGREEMENTS.

REPRESENTATIVE RYAN HATFIELD ARGUES THAT GOES TOO FAR.

>> THIS LEGISLATION SPECIFICALLY PICKS WINNERS AND LOSERS AND INTERFERES IN EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIPS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, REMOVING THE PROHIBITION ON PRIMARY CARE NON-COMPETES WILL PUT ALL PHYSICIANS ON THE SAME LEVEL.

>> REPRESENTATIVE ETHAN MANNING SAYS THE BILL SHOULD GO FURTHER LIKE THE ORIGINAL FULL BAN.

>> I SUPPORT PUTTING ALL PHYSICIANS ON THE SAME LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT OUR COMMITEE AFTER A COUPLE OF ATTEMPT WE HAVE CAME TO WHAT FEELS A GOOD COMPROMISE.

>> THE HOUSE ALSO ADDED RESTRICTIONS TO NULLED IF I THE AGREEMENTS FOR OTHER SPECIALTIES IN SOME CASES LIKE IF A DOCTOR IS TERMINATED WITHOUT CAUSE.

>> ANYTHING THIS IS A BILL THE SESSION HAS PURPORTED TO AIM TO LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS THE IDEA BEING WE HAVE A PHYSICIAN SHORTAGE AND THIS MAKES IT WORSE BUT WILL IT HAVE ENOUGH IMPACT?

>> I WOULD SAY OF ALL THE BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE THIS IS THE ONE I SEE THE LEAST DIRECT LINK TO THE CAUSE, I THINK YOU RECOLLECT MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT CONTINUITY OF CARE, PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF TOWN FOR A YEAR, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO IT HAVE I'M TRAVELING TO SEE MYOSEISM DOCTOR UNTIL HE CAN MOVE BACK TO THE CITY, SO CONTINUE KNEW CONTINUITY OF CARE IS ABSOLUTE BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW IT IMPACTSES COST PER SE.

>> I THINK I DON'T COVER THIS BILL, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS BEEN ALL OVER THIS AND SO I'M VIEWING THIS UNRAVEL MORE AS LIKE SOMEBODY WATCHING ON THE SIDELINES.

I DON'T GET HOW IN A FIELD WHERE WE ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND DOCTORS HOW WE WOULDN'T BAN THESE THINGS OUT RIGHT.

WHY IS THAT SUCH A HARD SOLING POINT FOR SO MANY LAWMAKERS?

>> THIS IS NOT PARTISAN NECESSARILY IN THE CLASSIC SENSE BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'RE YOUR CONSTITUENTS -- WHAT HOSPITALS ARE IN YOUR DISTRICT OR AREN'T IN YOUR DISTRICT AND ARE CLOSED.

SO IT'S A THE FASCINATING BILL TO LOOK AT AND PEEL BACK THE VARIOUS LAYERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT THERE TO BE.

IT'S THE NEXUS OF CONCERN ABOUT THE INTRUSION OF GOVERNMENT IN EMPLOYEE-EMPLOYER RELATIONSHIP.

ALL THE FAVORITEICALLY CLICHES ARE COME INTO PLAY HERE AND YOU CAN MAKE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES.

IF YOU TAKE CARE A STEP BACK THOUGH I WOULD HAVE SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS SESSION THERE SEEPS TO BE SUCH A DRUM BEATS ABOUT THE PROFITS OF NONPROFITS WERE MAG MAKING.

THE SHOT ACROSS THE BOW THAT SENATE PRESIDENT PRO-TEM AND THE SPEAKER ISSUED TO SOME OF THE LARGER HOSPITAL GROUPS.

>> TRAVIS HOLCOMB RAISING THE IDEA WE SHOULD BE TANGING THEM -- >> BUT I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE THINGS THEY HAVE BEEN SCALED BACK AND THERE'S A LOT MORE WIGGLE ROOM THAN THERE USED TO BE.

>> THE ARGUMENT FROM EMPLOYERS HERE IS WE HAVE INVESTED MONEY AND TIME INTO THESE PHYSICIANS, AND I SUPPOSE THAT MIGHT BE MORE TRUE FOR THE SPECIALTY PHYSICIANS WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE LARGELY CAMPED OUT OF THE BILL FOR THE THE FULL BANS BUT IN A STATE LIKE IN MANY IN THE COUNTRY WHERE WE JUST NEED DOCTORS, CAN YOU AFFORD NOT TO GO ALL THE WAY?

>> I THINK YOU SHOULD GO ALL THE WAY AND I'LL NOT A LAWYER BUT I'VE BEEN A PROFESSIONAL AT TWO LAW FIRMS AND ONE HAD NON-COMPETES AND ONE DIDN'T, AND IF YOU HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER I'M PROBABLY NOT GETING WHAT I NEED OUT OF YOU AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS.

IT MAY INCREASE THEM BECAUSE WHERE YOU HIRE AWAY A DOC, BUT IT'S TRUE IN EVERY PROFESSION THEY TRAIN EMPLOYEES AND I'VE WORKED IN MULTIPLE PLACES WITH GREAT PEOPLE WHERE I'VE LEARNED A LOT WHICH THAT EXPERIENCE I TOOK SO I COULD BE SELF-EMPLOYED.

BUT THAT'S TRUE ACROSS ALL PROFESSIONS.

>> THE NOTION SHOULD BE THE PATIENT GETS TO PICTURE THE DOCTOR AND STAY WITH THE DOCTOR THE PATIENT WANTS, JUST LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LAUNDRY ROOM LAW FIRMS HAVE NON-COMPETES, THE AND ALL THIS SHOWS IS THE HOSPITAL LOBBIES ARE STRONGER THAN THE DOCTOR LOB LOBBYIES.

AT LEAST ON THE PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE CERTAIN THE RURAL COMMUNITIES HAVE WHAT THEY NEED.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HEART SPECIALIST BUT WE HOPE THEY HAVE A PRIMARY CARE DOCTOR >>> SUPPORT, OF A BILL NEARING THE GOVERNOR'S DESK SAY IT WILL FREE INDIANA SCHOOLS FROM ONEROUS STATE REGULAR LACELATIONS.

TEACHERS GATHERED OUTSIDE THE HOUSE CHAMBER IN OP CIG TO THAT MEASURE THIS WEEK SAYING IT WILL SCIENCE THEM.

>> UNDER THIS BILL SCHOOL AMMETERSES WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO DISCUSS CLASS SIZES AND OTHER WORKING CONDITIONS WITH LABOR RIVERS.

DIRECTOR ROBERT TAYLOR ARGUES THE DISCUSSION WILL NOT DIE WITH THE MANDATE.

I BELIEVE IT WILL HAVE TO AND WILL CONTINUE.

>> BUT DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE SAYS TRUSTING ALL SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS TO HAVE THESE SUGGESTIONS IS NAÏVE.

>> IT WOULD BE SHOCKING IF ADMINISTRATORS DIDN'T MEET WITH THEIR TEACHERS AND WE SHOULD FIRE ANY THE ADMINISTRATOR THAT DIDN'T MEET WITH THEIR TEACHERS.

IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY ARE BUT PUTTING THE OPTION INTO LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY LAWS AN ADMINISTRATOR TO DO THE WHEREON THING?

>> WITH THAT DISCUSSION SOME SOME ADMINISTRATORS WOULD IGNORE TEACHERS VOICES HARMING STUDENTS IN THE PROCESS.

>> JON SCHWANTES THE QUESTION I WROTE FOR YOU IS SHOULD WE BELIEVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WOULD STILL HAPPEN?

>> HAPPEN?

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T MEAN TO BE FLIPPANT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- THIS ISN'T ABOUT THIS BILL.

THIS IS JUST THIS ONGOING DECADES OLD PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE ABOUT THE UNION SAYINGS OF TEACHERS AND THEIR ABILITY TO BARGAIN COLLECTIVELY FOR MONEY AND THESE OTHER ISSUES, CLASS SIZE CAN SAFETY CONCERNS AND IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH YOUR OPINION ABOUT ORGANIZED LABOR THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, SO YOU KNOW, WILL IT HAPPEN?

I GUESS IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS THERE COULD BE PUBLIC PRESSURE BUT -- >> STUDENTS WILL WANT TO HAVE -- >> NEIGHBOR THIS OBVIOUS STATEMENT, JUST BECAUSE YOU SKOAL A MEETING DOESN'T MEAN YOU LISTEN TO WHAT IS SAID SO YO CAN HAVE YOUR CUBA AND EAT IT TOO.

>> WATCHING THIS I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SIDE IN FAVOR OF THIS REALLY ARTICULATE WHY TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS IS SUCH A PROBLEM.

>> THE ONLY THING THEY SAID WAS THAT IT IT WOULD SOMEHOW HELP THE TEACHERS WHO AREN'T IN A UNION AND I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE O'CLOCK ON THAT.

LIKE I ASSUME IF YOU'RE NOT IN A UNION THEY DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSSION IT WITH YOU BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THE OTHER TEACHERS -- >> EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT CLASS SIZE WITH MY SCHOOL IT'S GOING TO HELP THE TEACHERS WHO AREN'T IN A EUROPE JUST AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING TO TAKE ALL THE KID THIS IS THE UNION ICED CLASSROOM AND MOVINGS THEM AT THE END OF THE DAY NONUNIONIZED CLASSROOM.

>> IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

>> AN ATTEMPT BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY TO WHITTLE WEE UNIONS, THEY DON'T LIKE THEM.

THEY THINK IT GIVES WORKERS A VOICE WHICH IT DOES AND IT IS REALLY -- THIS HAS BEEN FOR 50 YEARS AGO.

>> THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, IF YOU ZOOM OUT THIS WHOLE BILL HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THIS PIECE AND BOB TAYLOR THEY WERE SHOCKED BECAUSE WHAT THE BILL TRIES TO DO IS REMOVE ALL THE THESE REDUNDANT TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR TEACHERS -- >> BUT THIS GOT FLAGGED AND MISS INTERPRETED BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT BUT SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO, SO THAT WAS THE POINT.

>> IF IT INCLUDED CLASS SIZE OR HUMAN SEXUALITY I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO BAN THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THE.

>> FINALLY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TESTIFYING IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE CALLED SENATOR TRAVIS HOLCOMB THE SPARKLE FOR MARKLE.

MIKE O'BRIEN SHOULD MORE LAUREN GET NICKER NAMES LIKE THAT?

>> THAT'S THE BEST ONE, THE BEST ONE IN THE STATE HOUSE WAS BOB HEEDEN, HE PUT INDIANA IN THE FINAL FOUR IN 1979 AND WAS CALLEDDED THE MIRACLE MAN.

HE'S ALSO THE HOUSE WHIP SO THEY CALLED HIM MIRACLE WHIP.

>> I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER NAME BUT NON-I COULD SAY ON THE ARGYRIC I HAVE ONE FOR JOHN LUCAS, THE GUN MORE FROM SEYMOUR >>> MY SENSE IS ANN HAS A NICKNAME FOR OUR FAVORITE LEGISLATOR ED DELANY BUT WHY WON'T TELL US WHAT IT IS.

>> NO.

>> WHEN HE THIS HAPPENED A BUNCH OF US WERE WAITING FOR LAWMAKERS TO COME IN AND WE WERE GOING AROUND, TIM WESCO IS FROM.

>> YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

>> THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM.

>> YOU NEED A SIMPLE ONE.

I CAME UP WITH A FEW BE THEY'RE NOT APPROPRIATE.

ONE RHYMES WITH FRENCH LICK.

>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

THAT IS INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

YOU CAN FIND INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW'S POD CAST AT WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR ON THE PBS VIDEO APP.

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