♪♪ >> INDIANA'S NEWEST ABORTION LAW >> INDIANA'S NEWEST ABORTION LAW HALTED.

HALTED.

COLLEGE ATHLETES GETTING PAID.

COLLEGE ATHLETES GETTING PAID.

PLUS, GROCERY STORES' ALCOHOL PLUS, GROCERY STORES' ALCOHOL CARRYOUT AND MORE ON INDIANA CARRYOUT AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING JULY 2ND, 2021.

ENDING JULY 2ND, 2021.

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>> >> THIS WEEK, A FEDERAL JUDGE THIS WEEK, A FEDERAL JUDGE BLOCKED INDIANA'S CONTROVERSIAL BLOCKED INDIANA'S CONTROVERSIAL SO-CALLED “ABORTION REVERSAL” SO-CALLED “ABORTION REVERSAL” LAW FROM TAKING EFFECT.

THIS IS LAW FROM TAKING EFFECT.

THIS IS THE NINTH TIME OVER THE LAST THE NINTH TIME OVER THE LAST DECADE INDIANA HAS BEEN TAKEN TO DECADE INDIANA HAS BEEN TAKEN TO FEDERAL FEDERAL COURT OVER A NEWLY-PASSED COURT OVER A NEWLY-PASSED ANTI-ABORTION LAW.

THE STATE HAS ANTI-ABORTION LAW.

THE STATE HAS LOST, AT LEAST INITIALLY, IN LOST, AT LEAST INITIALLY, IN EVERY SINGLE ONE.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

>> >> MEDICATION-INDUCED ABORTIONS MEDICATION-INDUCED ABORTIONS REQUIRE PEOPLE TO TAKE TWO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO TAKE TWO SEPARATE PILLS.

A 2021 INDIANA SEPARATE PILLS.

A 2021 INDIANA LAW FORCES DOCTORS TO TELL LAW FORCES DOCTORS TO TELL PATIENTS THAT “SOME EVIDENCE PATIENTS THAT “SOME EVIDENCE SUGGESTS” THOSE ABORTIONS CAN BE SUGGESTS” THOSE ABORTIONS CAN BE “REVERSED” BY NOT TAKING THE “REVERSED” BY NOT TAKING THE SECOND PILL.

SECOND PILL.

CLINICS AND DOCTORS THAT PROVIDE CLINICS AND DOCTORS THAT PROVIDE ABORTIONS SUED, ARGUING THE ABORTIONS SUED, ARGUING THE REQUIREMENT VIOLATES PHYSICIANS' REQUIREMENT VIOLATES PHYSICIANS' FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

FEDERAL FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

FEDERAL JUDGE JAMES PATRICK HANLON JUDGE JAMES PATRICK HANLON AGREED.

THE TRUMP APPOINTEE AGREED.

THE TRUMP APPOINTEE RULED THE STATE CAN ONLY FORCE RULED THE STATE CAN ONLY FORCE DOCTORS TO PROVIDE “TRUTHFUL, DOCTORS TO PROVIDE “TRUTHFUL, NOT MISLEADING” INFORMATION.

AND NOT MISLEADING” INFORMATION.

AND HE SAYS INDIANA DID NOT PROVIDE HE SAYS INDIANA DID NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW THE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW THE ABORTION REVERSAL LANGUAGE MEETS ABORTION REVERSAL LANGUAGE MEETS THAT STANDARD.

THAT STANDARD.

>> >> IS INDIANA'S LOSING STREAK IN IS INDIANA'S LOSING STREAK IN COURT ON ABORTION CASES CLOSE TO COURT ON ABORTION CASES CLOSE TO ENDING?

ENDING?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

LINDSEY ERDODY, WFYI DIGITAL LINDSEY ERDODY, WFYI DIGITAL EDITOR FOR HEALTH AND EDUCATION.

EDITOR FOR HEALTH AND EDUCATION.

AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON SMITH.

SMITH.

ANN DELANEY, ABORTION RIGHTS ANN DELANEY, ABORTION RIGHTS ADVOCATES HAVE RELIED, FOR ADVOCATES HAVE RELIED, FOR YEARS, ON THE FEDERAL COURTS TO YEARS, ON THE FEDERAL COURTS TO STRIKE DOWN INDIANA'S NEW STRIKE DOWN INDIANA'S NEW ABORTION LAWS.

BUT WITH THE ABORTION LAWS.

BUT WITH THE SUPREME COURT TAKING UP ABORTION SUPREME COURT TAKING UP ABORTION NEXT TERM IS THAT RELIANCE GOING NEXT TERM IS THAT RELIANCE GOING TO END?

TO END?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, THE >> I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, THE LAWS PASSED ARE ABSURD.

THIS IS LAWS PASSED ARE ABSURD.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

THE IDEA THAT CAN RIDICULOUS.

THE IDEA THAT CAN TELL A DOCTOR, ON THEIR DESIRE TELL A DOCTOR, ON THEIR DESIRE TO BE AGAINST ABORTION, THAT'S TO BE AGAINST ABORTION, THAT'S ALL IT WAS IS TO SHOW THAT ALL IT WAS IS TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE TOUGH ON ABORTION.

THEY THEY'RE TOUGH ON ABORTION.

THEY CAN'T OVERTURN IT BY THEMSELVES CAN'T OVERTURN IT BY THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T THINK THROUGH AND THEY DON'T THINK THROUGH WHEN THEY PASS THIS STUFF.

ALL WHEN THEY PASS THIS STUFF.

ALL THEY DO IS FUND THE INDIANA THEY DO IS FUND THE INDIANA CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION YEAR AFTER CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE THEY YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T -- EITHER THEY DON'T JUST DON'T -- EITHER THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR THEY DON'T CARE UNDERSTAND OR THEY DON'T CARE HOW MUCH THEY'RE WASTING STATE HOW MUCH THEY'RE WASTING STATE RESOURCES AND TIME.

WHEN YOU CAN RESOURCES AND TIME.

WHEN YOU CAN TELL A DOCTOR WHAT A DOCTOR IS TELL A DOCTOR WHAT A DOCTOR IS SUPPOSED TO TELL HIS PATIENT SUPPOSED TO TELL HIS PATIENT ISN'T BASED ON SCIENTIST ISN'T BASED ON SCIENTIST EVIDENCE, GOD FORBID SOMETHING EVIDENCE, GOD FORBID SOMETHING SHOULD GO WRONG BECAUSE THEY SHOULD GO WRONG BECAUSE THEY FOLLOWED THAT ADVICE BASED ON FOLLOWED THAT ADVICE BASED ON THE LEGISLATURE, WHO IS LIABLE?

THE LEGISLATURE, WHO IS LIABLE?

IT CAN'T BE MALPRACTICE BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE MALPRACTICE BECAUSE HE WAS ORDERED BY THE HE WAS ORDERED BY THE INDIANAPOLIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

INDIANAPOLIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

IT IS SO POORLY THOUGHT THROUGH IT IS SO POORLY THOUGHT THROUGH THAT -- I UNDERSTAND THEY WANT THAT -- I UNDERSTAND THEY WANT TO BE -- THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR TO BE -- THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR DAYS ABOUT BEING ANTI-ABORTION.

DAYS ABOUT BEING ANTI-ABORTION.

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

PEOPLE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

PEOPLE ARE LEGITIMATELY ANTI-ABORTION.

ARE LEGITIMATELY ANTI-ABORTION.

BUT THEY OUGHT TO STOP WASTING BUT THEY OUGHT TO STOP WASTING TIME AND RESOURCES TO DO IT.

TIME AND RESOURCES TO DO IT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING >> THE IDEA OF RESOURCES HAS >> THE IDEA OF RESOURCES HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

INDIANA BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

INDIANA HAS PAID OUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAS PAID OUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE ACLU.

MILLIONS MORE TO TO THE ACLU.

MILLIONS MORE TO COME WHEN SOME CASES FINISH UP.

COME WHEN SOME CASES FINISH UP.

BUT DOES THAT REALLY MATTER TO BUT DOES THAT REALLY MATTER TO THESE LAWMAKERS?

THESE LAWMAKERS?

>> CLEARLY NOT.

THEY'RE STILL >> CLEARLY NOT.

THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.

DOING IT.

>> DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO THE >> DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO THE HOOSIER VOTERS WHO WANT TO SEE HOOSIER VOTERS WHO WANT TO SEE THESE LAWS PASSED?

THESE LAWS PASSED?

>> I'M NOT SURE THE VAST >> I'M NOT SURE THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOOSIERS WANT TO SEE MAJORITY OF HOOSIERS WANT TO SEE THESE LAWS PASSED.

THIS ONE IN THESE LAWS PASSED.

THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR -- WE'RE ON THE FRONT PARTICULAR -- WE'RE ON THE FRONT END OF IT.

THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY END OF IT.

THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY IS DEEPLY DIVIDED ON THE SAFETY IS DEEPLY DIVIDED ON THE SAFETY OF THESE PROCEDURES, THE OF THESE PROCEDURES, THE LEGISLATION ORDERED THE DOCTOR LEGISLATION ORDERED THE DOCTOR TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THERE IS TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THERE IS ALSO -- TO BE TALKED TO, THE ALSO -- TO BE TALKED TO, THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY, THAT MEDICAL COMMUNITY, THAT ADVOCATES AT THE STATEHOUSE, ADVOCATES AT THE STATEHOUSE, SOME OF THEM, THAT MAYBE THIS IS SOME OF THEM, THAT MAYBE THIS IS A -- MAYBE DOWN THE LINE THIS A -- MAYBE DOWN THE LINE THIS WOULD BE A LEGITIMATE HEALTHCARE WOULD BE A LEGITIMATE HEALTHCARE PROCEDURE.

IT IS JUST NOT THERE PROCEDURE.

IT IS JUST NOT THERE YET.

AND NOW YOU'RE FORCING YET.

AND NOW YOU'RE FORCING THESE DOCTORS WHO ARE BEING THESE DOCTORS WHO ARE BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE SCIENCE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING BEHIND WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO THEIR PATIENTS, FORCING THAT TO THEIR PATIENTS, FORCING THAT SITUATION.

IT IS NOT -- I THINK SITUATION.

IT IS NOT -- I THINK IT'S CERTAILY NOT THAT -- IF A IT'S CERTAILY NOT THAT -- IF A WOMAN GOES DOWN THIS PATH OF WOMAN GOES DOWN THIS PATH OF WANT AGO ABORTION AND THEN WANT AGO ABORTION AND THEN CHANGES HER MIND, IS THERE A CHANGES HER MIND, IS THERE A MEDICAL WAY TO REVERSE THAT?

MEDICAL WAY TO REVERSE THAT?

THE ANSWER MIGHT BE YES, BUT THE ANSWER MIGHT BE YES, BUT IT'S NOT YET.

SO LET'S IT'S NOT YET.

SO LET'S NOT -- LET'S MAYBE THESE OTHER NOT -- LET'S MAYBE THESE OTHER CASES -- DO WE HAVE TO BE FIRST?

CASES -- DO WE HAVE TO BE FIRST?

DO WE HAVE TO BE THE TEST CASE DO WE HAVE TO BE THE TEST CASE UP TO THE APPEALS COURT, BECAUSE UP TO THE APPEALS COURT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT WORKING IT IS NOT WORKING >> THERE IS A GROWING SENSE EVEN >> THERE IS A GROWING SENSE EVEN AMONG ABORTION RIGHTS ADVOCATES AMONG ABORTION RIGHTS ADVOCATES THAT THE US SUPREME COURT IS THAT THE US SUPREME COURT IS ABOUT TO CHANGE WHAT IS LEGAL ABOUT TO CHANGE WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS NOT AS FAR AS AND WHAT IS NOT AS FAR AS ABORTION GOES.

ARE WE ABOUT TO ABORTION GOES.

ARE WE ABOUT TO SEE THINGS CHANGE DRAMATICALLY SEE THINGS CHANGE DRAMATICALLY IN INDIANA IN TERMS OF WHAT LAWS IN INDIANA IN TERMS OF WHAT LAWS LEGISLATORS FINALLY DECIDE TO LEGISLATORS FINALLY DECIDE TO PASS?

PASS?

>> IT'S POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, THIS >> IT'S POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO SEE AT THE CASE WE'RE GOING TO SEE AT THE SUPREME COURT, THEY'RE NOT GOING SUPREME COURT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR IT UNTIL THE FALL.

SO WE TO HEAR IT UNTIL THE FALL.

SO WE WON'T HAVE A RULING ON THAT WON'T HAVE A RULING ON THAT BEFORE LAWMAKERS COME BACK INTO BEFORE LAWMAKERS COME BACK INTO SESSION AGAIN.

SO LIKE EVERY SESSION AGAIN.

SO LIKE EVERY YEAR, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT IN YEAR, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT IN THE PIECE, LAWMAKERS PASS THE PIECE, LAWMAKERS PASS ANTI-ABORTION LAWS, IN INDIANA, ANTI-ABORTION LAWS, IN INDIANA, LIKE WE SEE THIS REPEATEDLY.

LIKE WE SEE THIS REPEATEDLY.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SEEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP SEEING THAT UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF RULING UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF RULING IN THIS CASE FROM THE SUPREME IN THIS CASE FROM THE SUPREME COURT, AND I THINK MOST OF US COURT, AND I THINK MOST OF US CAN COUNT, AND HAVE A GOOD SENSE CAN COUNT, AND HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT IS OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT IS LIKE RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF THINK LIKE RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT HOW THAT CASE MIGHT BE ABOUT HOW THAT CASE MIGHT BE HANDLED.

BUT WHO KNOWS, I MEAN HANDLED.

BUT WHO KNOWS, I MEAN IT IS STILL ANYONE'S GUESS, THEY IT IS STILL ANYONE'S GUESS, THEY HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET HAVEN'T HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET HAVEN'T HEARD THE ARGUMENTS IN IT, THEY HEARD THE ARGUMENTS IN IT, THEY HAVEN'T RULED.

SO YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T RULED.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY A WANT THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY A WANT TO SEE THE SUPREME COURT HEAR TO SEE THE SUPREME COURT HEAR THIS CASE, AND MAKE THE RULING, THIS CASE, AND MAKE THE RULING, SO THEN IT'S NATIONWIDE.

IT'S SO THEN IT'S NATIONWIDE.

IT'S NOT JUST IN INDIANA.

BUT UNTIL NOT JUST IN INDIANA.

BUT UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT GOES, WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE LAWS WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE LAWS PASSED LIKE THIS IN INDIANA.

PASSED LIKE THIS IN INDIANA.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE THEM EVEN >> WE'RE GOING TO SEE THEM EVEN IF IT GOES THE WAY THEY DON'T IF IT GOES THE WAY THEY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD GO.

THINK IT SHOULD GO.

>> SOME OF THE HARSHEST >> SOME OF THE HARSHEST ANTI-ABORTION LAWS HAVE NOT ANTI-ABORTION LAWS HAVE NOT REALLY GOTTEN VERY FAR OR REALLY GOTTEN VERY FAR OR ANYWHERE IN THE INDIANA ANYWHERE IN THE INDIANA LEGIS LEGIS LEGISLATION, ONCE JUDGE BARRETT LEGISLATION, ONCE JUDGE BARRETT WAS PUT ON THE PANEL, DO YOU WAS PUT ON THE PANEL, DO YOU THINK -- MUCH FURTHER?

THINK -- MUCH FURTHER?

>> THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GO >> THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GO FURTHER IS A FLAT OUT REPEAL, FURTHER IS A FLAT OUT REPEAL, OR.

OR.

>> SIX WEEKS, WHICH I THINK IS >> SIX WEEKS, WHICH I THINK IS THE MISSISSIPPI LAW THAT'S GOING THE MISSISSIPPI LAW THAT'S GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT?

TO THE SUPREME COURT?

>> I DO THINK THE PENDULUM IS >> I DO THINK THE PENDULUM IS ABSOLUTELY SWINGING TO PROLIFE ABSOLUTELY SWINGING TO PROLIFE ADVOCATES.

NOW, IN THIS ADVOCATES.

NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S NOT A GOOD PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S NOT A GOOD TEST CASE.

I MEAN, NO ONE IS TEST CASE.

I MEAN, NO ONE IS ADMITTING -- THERE ARE NO ADMITTING -- THERE ARE NO STUDIES JUST BECAUSE TWO WOMEN STUDIES JUST BECAUSE TWO WOMEN SHOWED UP TO TESTIFY THAT THEY SHOWED UP TO TESTIFY THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE BILL, AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE BILL, AND THEY HELD THEIR CHILD.

THAT'S GREAT HELD THEIR CHILD.

THAT'S GREAT FOR THEM.

I'M GLAD THEY DECIDED FOR THEM.

I'M GLAD THEY DECIDED AND IT WORKED OUT FOR THEM.

BUT AND IT WORKED OUT FOR THEM.

BUT IT'S DIFFERENT PUTTING THOSE IT'S DIFFERENT PUTTING THOSE WORDS INTO A DOCTOR'S MOUTH.

AND WORDS INTO A DOCTOR'S MOUTH.

AND ONE THING I WILL SAY ONE THING I WILL SAY ENTERTAINING RECENTLY, I ENTERTAINING RECENTLY, I HOPE -- WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOPE -- WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF REPUBLICANS CARE ABOUT MEDICAL REPUBLICANS CARE ABOUT MEDICAL PRIVACY RIGHTS UNDER PRIVACY RIGHTS UNDER IMMUNIZATION STUFF.

SO MAYBE IMMUNIZATION STUFF.

SO MAYBE THAT WILL EXTEND TO ABORTION.

THAT WILL EXTEND TO ABORTION.

>> CONSISTENCY IS NOT REQUIRED.

>> CONSISTENCY IS NOT REQUIRED.

>> >> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

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THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: WILL THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WILL THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVERTURN LEGALIZED ABORTION?

OVERTURN LEGALIZED ABORTION?

A YES, OR B NO.

WE DON'T A YES, OR B NO.

WE DON'T ASK -- QUESTIONS ON THE SHOW.

ASK -- QUESTIONS ON THE SHOW.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: SHOULD THE NCAA ALLOW STUDENT SHOULD THE NCAA ALLOW STUDENT ATHLETES TO MAKE MONEY OFF THEIR ATHLETES TO MAKE MONEY OFF THEIR NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS?

NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS?

66% OF YOU SAY YES, 34% SAY NO.

66% OF YOU SAY YES, 34% SAY NO.

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WELL, SPEAKING OF THAT, WELL, SPEAKING OF THAT, COLLEGE STUDENT ATHLETES WILL COLLEGE STUDENT ATHLETES WILL NOW BE ABLE TO PROFIT OFF THEIR NOW BE ABLE TO PROFIT OFF THEIR NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS.

THE NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS.

THE NCAA BOARD OF DIRECTORS APPROVED NCAA BOARD OF DIRECTORS APPROVED THE INTERIM POLICY THIS WEEK.

THE INTERIM POLICY THIS WEEK.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS SOME SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS SOME WORRY THIS COULD FURTHER HURT WORRY THIS COULD FURTHER HURT BLACK STUDENT ATHLETES.

BLACK STUDENT ATHLETES.

WHILE A MAJORITY OF STUDENT WHILE A MAJORITY OF STUDENT ATHLETES IN REVENUE-DRIVEN ATHLETES IN REVENUE-DRIVEN SPORTS ARE BLACK, AN INDIANA SPORTS ARE BLACK, AN INDIANA UNIVERSITY REPORT SAYS THOSE UNIVERSITY REPORT SAYS THOSE STUDENTS ARE NOT GIVEN THE STUDENTS ARE NOT GIVEN THE RESOURCES TO OBTAIN A VALUABLE RESOURCES TO OBTAIN A VALUABLE FOUR-YEAR DEGREE.

FOUR-YEAR DEGREE.

ANTONIO WILLIAMS CO-AUTHORED THE ANTONIO WILLIAMS CO-AUTHORED THE REPORT.

HE SAYS THE N-C-DOUBLE REPORT.

HE SAYS THE N-C-DOUBLE A'S POLICIES HAVE A HISTORY OF A'S POLICIES HAVE A HISTORY OF RACIALLY EXPLOITING BLACK MALE RACIALLY EXPLOITING BLACK MALE ATHLETES.

ATHLETES.

WILLIAMS SAYS THE ABILITY TO WILLIAMS SAYS THE ABILITY TO PROFIT OFF ONE'S NAME, IMAGE AND PROFIT OFF ONE'S NAME, IMAGE AND LIKENESS IS OVERALL A GOOD LIKENESS IS OVERALL A GOOD THING.

BUT HE FEARS THE POLICY THING.

BUT HE FEARS THE POLICY COULD FURTHER HARM BLACK COULD FURTHER HARM BLACK ATHLETES.

ATHLETES.

>> ANTONIO WILLIAMS: WITHOUT A >> ANTONIO WILLIAMS: WITHOUT A DOUBT, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DOUBT, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ATHLETES, ESPECIALLY BLACK ATHLETES, ESPECIALLY BLACK ATHLETES, THAT PROBABLY WILL BE ATHLETES, THAT PROBABLY WILL BE EXPLOITED BY OTHERS.

NOT JUST BY EXPLOITED BY OTHERS.

NOT JUST BY THE UNIVERSITY, BUT BY THE UNIVERSITY, BUT BY CORPORATIONS.

AND THESE CORPORATIONS.

AND THESE 17-18-YEAR-OLDS ARE NOT 17-18-YEAR-OLDS ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRAINED AND READY NECESSARILY TRAINED AND READY FOR THAT.

FOR THAT.

>> WILLIAMS SAYS IT WILL >> WILLIAMS SAYS IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE YOUNG BE IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE YOUNG ATHLETES AND GUIDE THEM INTO A ATHLETES AND GUIDE THEM INTO A NEW ERA OF COLLEGE SPORTS.

NEW ERA OF COLLEGE SPORTS.

>> >> MIKE O'BRIEN, WE TALKED LAST MIKE O'BRIEN, WE TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT HOW THE NCAA AND WEEK ABOUT HOW THE NCAA AND STATE AND FEDERAL LAWMAKERS STATE AND FEDERAL LAWMAKERS WOULD REACT TO THE SUPREME COURT WOULD REACT TO THE SUPREME COURT RULING.

BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RULING.

BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ATHLETES THEMSELVES - ARE WE IN ATHLETES THEMSELVES - ARE WE IN THE WILD WEST RIGHT NOW?

THE WILD WEST RIGHT NOW?

>> OH, YEAH.

BUT THERE'S A WELL >> OH, YEAH.

BUT THERE'S A WELL WORN PATH TO UNDERSTANDING HOW WORN PATH TO UNDERSTANDING HOW TO HANDLE THIS IN PROFESSIONAL TO HANDLE THIS IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

AND THESE KIDS, WE'RE SPORTS.

AND THESE KIDS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT -- THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE READY AT 18 YEARS GOING TO BE READY AT 18 YEARS OLD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, OLD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, THEY'RE NOT READY AT 25 YEARS THEY'RE NOT READY AT 25 YEARS OLD TO BE HANDED $25 MILLION.

IF OLD TO BE HANDED $25 MILLION.

IF YOU HAND THEM, THEY ARE GOING TO YOU HAND THEM, THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE BAD DECISIONS.

THIS IS MAKE BAD DECISIONS.

THIS IS GOING TO -- THE EVOLUTION OF GOING TO -- THE EVOLUTION OF THIS DECISION TO BEGIN WITH WAS THIS DECISION TO BEGIN WITH WAS IT'S NOT RIGHT THEY'RE STUDENT IT'S NOT RIGHT THEY'RE STUDENT ATHLETES, THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR ATHLETES, THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR MONEY, THERE IS THERE FOR AN MONEY, THERE IS THERE FOR AN EDUCATION.

THAT IS A NAIVE.

I EDUCATION.

THAT IS A NAIVE.

I THINK WHEN THERE IS THAT MUCH THINK WHEN THERE IS THAT MUCH MONEY INVOLVED YOU'RE GOING TO MONEY INVOLVED YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THERE IS FIGURE IT OUT.

THERE IS INEQUITIES IN THE SYSTEM NOW, INEQUITIES IN THE SYSTEM NOW, THE FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS NEAR THE FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS NEAR THE FACILITIES SEEM TO ENVISION THE FACILITIES SEEM TO ENVISION FOR OTHER SCHOOLS.

THE FOR OTHER SCHOOLS.

THE ENDORSEMENT DEALS THAT THE ENDORSEMENT DEALS THAT THE COLLEGES GET.

TV DEALS, ALL THIS COLLEGES GET.

TV DEALS, ALL THIS STUFF.

INEQUITY IS IN THE SYSTEM STUFF.

INEQUITY IS IN THE SYSTEM BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

THAT WILL BASED ON PERFORMANCE.

THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE.

CONTINUE TO BE THE CASE.

>> WHAT ROLE IF ANY DO YOU THINK >> WHAT ROLE IF ANY DO YOU THINK UNIVERSITIES HAVE IN HELPING UNIVERSITIES HAVE IN HELPING THESE PLAYERS NOT GET TAKEN THESE PLAYERS NOT GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT?

ADVANTAGE OF IT?

>> THAT IS A CAN OF WORMS.

DO >> THAT IS A CAN OF WORMS.

DO THEY COME UP WITH A LIST OF THEY COME UP WITH A LIST OF APPROVED AGENTS TO SIGN WITH.

DO APPROVED AGENTS TO SIGN WITH.

DO THEY REVIEW THE CONTRACTS FOR THEY REVIEW THE CONTRACTS FOR THE KIDS.

THE KIDS.

>> IS IT BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?

>> IS IT BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE?

>> DIFFICULT, NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

>> DIFFICULT, NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

THEY COULD DO SEMINARS LIKE THEY THEY COULD DO SEMINARS LIKE THEY DO AT A LOT OF THESE DO AT A LOT OF THESE INSTITUTIONS HOW TO HANDLE YOUR INSTITUTIONS HOW TO HANDLE YOUR MONEY IF YOU GO PRO, BY THE WAY, MONEY IF YOU GO PRO, BY THE WAY, YOUR HEALTH, DIET AND EVERYTHING YOUR HEALTH, DIET AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEY COULD OFFER THOSE ELSE.

THEY COULD OFFER THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, ARE KINDS OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, ARE THEY READY AT 18?

THEY READY AT 18?

NO, BUT THEY'RE READY NO, BUT THEY'RE READY AT -- TREATED LIKE AN ADULT.

AT -- TREATED LIKE AN ADULT.

OKAY, THEY CAN ASSIGN CONTRACTS, OKAY, THEY CAN ASSIGN CONTRACTS, VOTE, THEY CAN DO ALL OF THESE VOTE, THEY CAN DO ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND -- THINGS, AND -- >> CAN'T RENT A CAR, THOUGH, >> CAN'T RENT A CAR, THOUGH, STILL KEEPING THAT ONE.

STILL KEEPING THAT ONE.

>> WELL, THREW -- THERE YOU GO.

>> WELL, THREW -- THERE YOU GO.

AND THERE IS PROBABLY GOOD AND THERE IS PROBABLY GOOD REASON.

OR DRINK.

YOU CAN SERVE REASON.

OR DRINK.

YOU CAN SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND GET SHOT, BUT YOUR COUNTRY AND GET SHOT, BUT YOU CAN'T DRINK.

MY POINT IS YOU CAN'T DRINK.

MY POINT IS THEY CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF THEY CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY THINGS, TO THE EXTENT THAT ANY OF THESE STUDENT ATHLETES HAVE OF THESE STUDENT ATHLETES HAVE THE KIND OF VISIBILITY THAT'S THE KIND OF VISIBILITY THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE, THERE GOING TO GENERATE REVENUE, THERE WILL BE AGENTS EN MASSE LINED WILL BE AGENTS EN MASSE LINED OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR TO SIGN THEM.

OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR TO SIGN THEM.

HOPEFULLY THEY CAN PICK HOPEFULLY THEY CAN PICK REPUTABLE ONES AND INVEST REPUTABLE ONES AND INVEST WHATEVER THEY MAKE SENSIBLY.

WHATEVER THEY MAKE SENSIBLY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING -- IT'LL BE A ROCKY START GOING -- IT'LL BE A ROCKY START TO BEGIN W. -- WITH.

I THINK TO BEGIN W. -- WITH.

I THINK THERE IS A ROLE UNIVERSITIES THERE IS A ROLE UNIVERSITIES HAVE.

PARTLY TO PROVIDE SOME HAVE.

PARTLY TO PROVIDE SOME EDUCATION AND DIRECTION, AND THE EDUCATION AND DIRECTION, AND THE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STUDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP ON THEIR OWN.

STEP UP ON THEIR OWN.

>> WE SOMETIMES HEAR IN THE >> WE SOMETIMES HEAR IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS A LAWYER'S GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS A LAWYER'S EMPLOYMENT BILL, IS THIS AN EMPLOYMENT BILL, IS THIS AN AGENT EMPLOYMENT POLICY THAT THE AGENT EMPLOYMENT POLICY THAT THE NCAA -- NCAA -- >> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, I'M A >> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY LITTLE SHOCKED AT HOW QUICKLY WE'VE GONE FROM -- I MEAN, THE WE'VE GONE FROM -- I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WAS LIKE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WAS LIKE STIPENDS, THEY SHOULD GET PAID STIPENDS, THEY SHOULD GET PAID STIPENDS SO THEY CAN BUY PIZZA, STIPENDS SO THEY CAN BUY PIZZA, AND NOW WE'VE OPENED A PANDORA'S AND NOW WE'VE OPENED A PANDORA'S BOX.

BOX.

>> INVITE YOUR PARENTS TO A >> INVITE YOUR PARENTS TO A GAME.

GAME.

>> I'M A LITTLE FASCINATED BY >> I'M A LITTLE FASCINATED BY THAT.

I DO THINK -- THERE IS NO THAT.

I DO THINK -- THERE IS NO WAY, THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL WAY, THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES NOW, I DON'T THINK ATHLETES NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY WAY AROUND THAT.

I THERE IS ANY WAY AROUND THAT.

I WAS THINKING THIS MORNING, IT IS WAS THINKING THIS MORNING, IT IS THE QUAINT NOW THAT STEVE THE QUAINT NOW THAT STEVE OFFERED GOT SUSPENDED FOR A GAME OFFERED GOT SUSPENDED FOR A GAME BECAUSE HE POSED FOR A CHARITY BECAUSE HE POSED FOR A CHARITY CALENDAR THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN GET CALENDAR THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN GET PAID FOR, AND NOW HERE WE ARE.

PAID FOR, AND NOW HERE WE ARE.

>> OH, YEAH, SOME OF THE THINGS >> OH, YEAH, SOME OF THE THINGS IN RETROSPECT LOOK RIDICULOUS.

IN RETROSPECT LOOK RIDICULOUS.

I THIS GOING TO BE A LITTLE I THIS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MESSY FOR A WHILE, REALITY AND MESSY FOR A WHILE, REALITY AND NOTHING WE CAN DO?

NOTHING WE CAN DO?

>> ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE GOING TO >> ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE COLLEGES AND COACHES TRYING SEE COLLEGES AND COACHES TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS AND REACT.

TO DEAL WITH THIS AND REACT.

LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, WE'VE OPENED LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, WE'VE OPENED PANDORA'S BOX.

SOME OF THESE PANDORA'S BOX.

SOME OF THESE DEALS ARE JUST LIKE FREE CELL DEALS ARE JUST LIKE FREE CELL PHONES.

BUT OTHERS ARE LIKE PHONES.

BUT OTHERS ARE LIKE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR ENDORSEMENT MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR ENDORSEMENT DEALS.

AND SO NOT ALL DEAL IS DEALS.

AND SO NOT ALL DEAL IS MADE EQUAL, AND TO MIKE'S POINT, MADE EQUAL, AND TO MIKE'S POINT, YES, INEQUITIES ALREADY EXIST, YES, INEQUITIES ALREADY EXIST, THERE IS A QUESTION OF DOES THIS THERE IS A QUESTION OF DOES THIS MAKE THE INEQUITIES WORSE MAKE THE INEQUITIES WORSE BECAUSE YOU WON'T SEE THE SAME BECAUSE YOU WON'T SEE THE SAME SORT OF ENDORSEMENTS HAPPENING SORT OF ENDORSEMENTS HAPPENING AT SMALLER LESSER KNOWN SCHOOLS AT SMALLER LESSER KNOWN SCHOOLS WHERE THE ATHLETES ARE VERSUS WHERE THE ATHLETES ARE VERSUS THE BIG TEN SCHOOLS.

THE BIG TEN SCHOOLS.

>> THERE IS ANOTHER POINT TO >> THERE IS ANOTHER POINT TO THIS, TOO.

IF THEY'RE MAKING THIS, TOO.

IF THEY'RE MAKING MONEY ON THIS, AND THEY CAN DO MONEY ON THIS, AND THEY CAN DO THIS, MAYBE THEY'LL STAY, MAYBE THIS, MAYBE THEY'LL STAY, MAYBE IT WON'T BE ONE AND DONE.

IT WON'T BE ONE AND DONE.

>> THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.

>> THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.

>> RIGHT.

THERE IS ALWAYS A >> RIGHT.

THERE IS ALWAYS A TRANSFER, NEW INCENTIVES TO TRANSFER, NEW INCENTIVES TO BUILD A PROGRAM FOR A LONG BUILD A PROGRAM FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

PERIOD OF TIME.

>> >> INDIANA GROCERY STORES CAN NO INDIANA GROCERY STORES CAN NO LONGER SELL ALCOHOL FOR CURBSIDE LONGER SELL ALCOHOL FOR CURBSIDE PICKUP AFTER TEMPORARILY DOING PICKUP AFTER TEMPORARILY DOING SO DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND SOME SO DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND SOME ADVOCATES ARE PUSHING TO CHANGE ADVOCATES ARE PUSHING TO CHANGE THAT.

THAT.

>> >> AN EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM GOVERNOR AN EXECUTIVE ORDER FROM GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB ALLOWED MANY ERIC HOLCOMB ALLOWED MANY RETAILERS TO SELL ALCOHOL FOR RETAILERS TO SELL ALCOHOL FOR CURBSIDE PICKUP DURING THE CURBSIDE PICKUP DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

AND LAWMAKERS MADE THAT CHANGE AND LAWMAKERS MADE THAT CHANGE PERMANENT FOR SOME, INCLUDING PERMANENT FOR SOME, INCLUDING MANY RESTAURANTS BUT NOT FOR MANY RESTAURANTS BUT NOT FOR GROCERY STORES.

GROCERY STORES.

THE CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK, THE CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK, ALONG WITH WALMART, HAS STARTED ALONG WITH WALMART, HAS STARTED A CAMPAIGN TO RALLY SUPPORT A CAMPAIGN TO RALLY SUPPORT ALLOWING ADULT BEVERAGE PICKUP ALLOWING ADULT BEVERAGE PICKUP WITH GROCERY ORDERS.

THEY'RE WITH GROCERY ORDERS.

THEY'RE URGING HOOSIERS TO CONTACT URGING HOOSIERS TO CONTACT LAWMAKERS THROUGH AN ONLINE LAWMAKERS THROUGH AN ONLINE CONTACT FORM.

CONTACT FORM.

>> >> NIKI KELLY, I FEEL LIKE I ASK NIKI KELLY, I FEEL LIKE I ASK THIS QUESTION A LOT WITH ALCOHOL THIS QUESTION A LOT WITH ALCOHOL LAWS BUT DOES THIS SEEM FAIR?

LAWS BUT DOES THIS SEEM FAIR?

>> NO, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT.

WE'VE >> NO, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT.

WE'VE ESSENTIALLY MADE EVERY RETAILER ESSENTIALLY MADE EVERY RETAILER TO DO THIS EXCEPT FOR GROCERY TO DO THIS EXCEPT FOR GROCERY STORES AND ARE PHARMACIES, THAT STORES AND ARE PHARMACIES, THAT PARTICULAR PERMIT.

OBVIOUSLY IT PARTICULAR PERMIT.

OBVIOUSLY IT MAKES NO SENSE TO THE CONSUMER.

MAKES NO SENSE TO THE CONSUMER.

ONE DAY YOU CAN GET THE WINE ONE DAY YOU CAN GET THE WINE WITH YOUR KROGER CLICK LIST AND WITH YOUR KROGER CLICK LIST AND ONE DAY YOU CAN'T.

AND IT'S ALL ONE DAY YOU CAN'T.

AND IT'S ALL ABOUT TURF AND COMPETITION.

AND ABOUT TURF AND COMPETITION.

AND I GET WHERE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED.

I GET WHERE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED.

I'M ALSO, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I'M ALSO, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT WE HAVE ONE ON THIS PANEL.

I'M WE HAVE ONE ON THIS PANEL.

I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A FAIRNESS WONDERING, IS THERE A FAIRNESS RULE, IF YOU CAN SHOW EVERY RULE, IF YOU CAN SHOW EVERY OTHER RETAILER HAS THIS ONE OTHER RETAILER HAS THIS ONE THING, AND YOU CAN'T.

LIKE WHY THING, AND YOU CAN'T.

LIKE WHY CAN'T THEY?

CAN'T THEY?

>> I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE OUT >> I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, AND I'LL GO RIGHT TO OF ORDER, AND I'LL GO RIGHT TO YOU.

IS THERE -- BECAUSE IT'S YOU.

IS THERE -- BECAUSE IT'S ALCOHOL, DO SOME OF THOSE ALCOHOL, DO SOME OF THOSE TRADITIONAL FAIRNESS ARGUMENTS TRADITIONAL FAIRNESS ARGUMENTS IN COURT GET THROWN OUT THE IN COURT GET THROWN OUT THE WINDOW?

WINDOW?

>> THEY DO.

AND IT MAKES >> THEY DO.

AND IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

I MEAN, EXACTLY RIGHT.

I MEAN, WHY -- AND IT CONTINUES WHY -- AND IT CONTINUES DOWN -- IT'S AN ALCOHOL, DOWN -- IT'S AN ALCOHOL, IT'S -- THE SIZE OF THE BOTTLES IT'S -- THE SIZE OF THE BOTTLES OF SODA THAT YOU CAN SELL IN ONE OF SODA THAT YOU CAN SELL IN ONE PLACE AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER.

SO PLACE AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER.

SO YOU PAY MORE FOR IT HERE.

YOU PAY MORE FOR IT HERE.

>> THE TEMPERATURE OF BEER.

>> THE TEMPERATURE OF BEER.

>> ALL OF THAT.

>> ALL OF THAT.

>> ONLY STATE IN THE NATION >> ONLY STATE IN THE NATION REGULATING THE TEMP.

REGULATING THE TEMP.

>> WE OUGHT TO ABOLISH THE >> WE OUGHT TO ABOLISH THE ALCOHOL COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN ALCOHOL COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS AND IT HASN'T SAYING THIS AND IT HASN'T APPROVED.

APPROVED.

>> IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL FOR >> IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO CHANGE, IS IT -- DOES IT IT TO CHANGE, IS IT -- DOES IT HELP THE ADVOCATES HERE THAT HELP THE ADVOCATES HERE THAT THIS ISN'T THE CASE OF AFTER IT THIS ISN'T THE CASE OF AFTER IT NEVER HAPPENING NOW WE'RE GOING NEVER HAPPENING NOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN, IT'S TO ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN, IT'S HAPPENED, FOR NEARLY A YEAR, HAPPENED, FOR NEARLY A YEAR, DOES THAT UNDERCUT THE ARGUMENT DOES THAT UNDERCUT THE ARGUMENT OF WELL THE WORLD WILL FALL OF WELL THE WORLD WILL FALL DOWN?

DOWN?

>> I THINK SO, TO AN EXTENT.

I >> I THINK SO, TO AN EXTENT.

I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST WROTE REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST WROTE ABOUT THIS BILL IN THIS PAST ABOUT THIS BILL IN THIS PAST SESSION.

IN READING IT AND SESSION.

IN READING IT AND THINKING AM I READING THIS THINKING AM I READING THIS WRONG?

WRONG?

AND I TALKED TO REPUBLICAN BEN AND I TALKED TO REPUBLICAN BEN SMALL TO -- INVOLVED WITH THIS, SMALL TO -- INVOLVED WITH THIS, HE WAS LIKE NO THIS IS CORRECT.

HE WAS LIKE NO THIS IS CORRECT.

OKAY, BUT WHY?

OKAY, BUT WHY?

THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, I THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, I CAN GO ORDER MY GROCERIES TO GO CAN GO ORDER MY GROCERIES TO GO FROM KROGER OR WHEREVER AND FROM KROGER OR WHEREVER AND THEY'LL DELIVER MY BOTTLE OF THEY'LL DELIVER MY BOTTLE OF WINE TO MY CAR.

THE RESPONSE IS WINE TO MY CAR.

THE RESPONSE IS THAT IT WAS GROCERY STORES ARE THAT IT WAS GROCERY STORES ARE TOO BIG.

JUST WOULDN'T BE GOOD TOO BIG.

JUST WOULDN'T BE GOOD POLICY FOR INDIANA.

REALLY POLICY FOR INDIANA.

REALLY DIDN'T GET MORE SPECIFIC THAN DIDN'T GET MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT.

AND I THINK TO THE TURF THAT.

AND I THINK TO THE TURF WAR COMMENT.

LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT WAR COMMENT.

LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

WE SAW THIS WITH SUNDAY IS.

WE SAW THIS WITH SUNDAY ALCOHOL SALES WEEK, SEE IT STILL ALCOHOL SALES WEEK, SEE IT STILL WITH BEER SALES.

SO I THINK IF WITH BEER SALES.

SO I THINK IF IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN THE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS FUTURE, I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS IN ONE YEAR.

I THINK IT'S GOING IN ONE YEAR.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT OF A PUSH AND PULL TO BE A BIT OF A PUSH AND PULL >> YEAH, WITH SUCH A SINGULAR >> YEAH, WITH SUCH A SINGULAR POLICY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE POLICY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SUNDAY SALES, THAT TALKING ABOUT SUNDAY SALES, THAT FELT BIG.

COLD BEER, THAT FEELS FELT BIG.

COLD BEER, THAT FEELS BIG, THIS FEELS RELATIVELY BIG, THIS FEELS RELATIVELY NARROW, IS THAT LIKELY TO CHANGE NARROW, IS THAT LIKELY TO CHANGE SOONER?

SOONER?

>> THERE IS JUST NOT -- THERE >> THERE IS JUST NOT -- THERE ARE PEOPLE USING THE CLICK LIST, ARE PEOPLE USING THE CLICK LIST, BUT IT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF BUT IT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.

EVEN THE PEOPLE USING PEOPLE.

EVEN THE PEOPLE USING THE CLICK LIST AREN'T USING IT THE CLICK LIST AREN'T USING IT TO GET ALCOHOL.

GO TO THE LIQUOR TO GET ALCOHOL.

GO TO THE LIQUOR STORE ON THE WAY HOME, RUN INTO STORE ON THE WAY HOME, RUN INTO KROGER AFTER THEY PICK UP.

KROGER AFTER THEY PICK UP.

>> IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT >> IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

>> STILL BRING IT OUT TO YOU.

>> STILL BRING IT OUT TO YOU.

>> -- WITH SUNDAY SALES, THAT >> -- WITH SUNDAY SALES, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

>> LIQUOR STORES ARE UNDER A LOT >> LIQUOR STORES ARE UNDER A LOT OF REGULATIONS, AGE OF OF THE OF REGULATIONS, AGE OF OF THE PEOPLE THERE.

GO TO A GROCERY PEOPLE THERE.

GO TO A GROCERY STORE, YOU HAVE A 18-YEAR-OLD STORE, YOU HAVE A 18-YEAR-OLD CLERK THAT CAN'T MOVE YOUR BEER CLERK THAT CAN'T MOVE YOUR BEER FROM HERE TO HERE.

FROM HERE TO HERE.

>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

>> IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO FLIP >> IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO FLIP THE SWITCH AND LET THEM DELIVER THE SWITCH AND LET THEM DELIVER TO THE CURB, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO THE CURB, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT FROM THE LIQUOR TO LOOK AT FROM THE LIQUOR STORES -- STORES -- >> AND THE CLERK.

SO THEY CAN >> AND THE CLERK.

SO THEY CAN MOVE THE BEER, INSTEAD OF MOVE THE BEER, INSTEAD OF CALLING SOMEBODY ELSE OVER.

CALLING SOMEBODY ELSE OVER.

>> >> THE FUTURE OF A NEW CASINO IN THE FUTURE OF A NEW CASINO IN VIGO COUNTY IS UP IN THE AIR VIGO COUNTY IS UP IN THE AIR AFTER THE GAMING COMMISSION AFTER THE GAMING COMMISSION RECENTLY RE-OPENED APPLICATIONS RECENTLY RE-OPENED APPLICATIONS TO RUN IT.

TO RUN IT.

>> >> LUCY LUCK GAMING, HEADED BY LUCY LUCK GAMING, HEADED BY TERRE HAUTE BUSINESSMAN GREG TERRE HAUTE BUSINESSMAN GREG GIBSON, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GIBSON, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENTITY LICENSED TO RUN A NEW ENTITY LICENSED TO RUN A NEW CASINO IN TERRE HAUTE.

CASINO IN TERRE HAUTE.

BUT THE INDIANA GAMING BUT THE INDIANA GAMING COMMISSION LAST WEEK REJECTED A COMMISSION LAST WEEK REJECTED A RENEWAL OF THE LICENSE.

IT SAID RENEWAL OF THE LICENSE.

IT SAID LUCY LUCK FAILED TO HIRE AN LUCY LUCK FAILED TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE TEAM AND SECURE FULLY EXECUTIVE TEAM AND SECURE FULLY VETTED FINANCING.

VETTED FINANCING.

NOW, THE COMMISSION HAS NOW, THE COMMISSION HAS RE-OPENED APPLICATIONS FOR THE RE-OPENED APPLICATIONS FOR THE LICENSE.

AND REPORTS SAY LUCY LICENSE.

AND REPORTS SAY LUCY LUCK MIGHT NOT EVEN REAPPLY, LUCK MIGHT NOT EVEN REAPPLY, PUTTING THE CASINO'S FUTURE IN PUTTING THE CASINO'S FUTURE IN QUESTION.

QUESTION.

>> >> LINDSEY ERDODY, HOW BIG A SHOCK LINDSEY ERDODY, HOW BIG A SHOCK WAS THIS?

WAS THIS?

>> IT WAS PRETTY SURPRISING TO >> IT WAS PRETTY SURPRISING TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THOSE OF US WHO HAVE FOLLOWED THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY AND THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY AND FOLLOWED THIS TERRE HAUTE CASINO FOLLOWED THIS TERRE HAUTE CASINO COMING TO BE, THE LAW -- COMING TO BE, THE LAW -- >> THIS IS YEARS IN THE MAKING.

>> THIS IS YEARS IN THE MAKING.

>> GREG GIBSON WAS A HUGE EFFORT >> GREG GIBSON WAS A HUGE EFFORT FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN FOR TERRE FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN FOR TERRE HAUTE.

I THINK WHERE WE KIND OF HAUTE.

I THINK WHERE WE KIND OF SAW THINGS START TO UNRAVEL WAS SAW THINGS START TO UNRAVEL WAS WHEN BECAUSE GREG GIBSON'S WHEN BECAUSE GREG GIBSON'S COMPANY USED TO BE HIGHLY COMPANY USED TO BE HIGHLY INVOLVED AND ASSOCIATED WITH INVOLVED AND ASSOCIATED WITH SPECTACLE GAMING, AND WE SAW SPECTACLE GAMING, AND WE SAW THEIR EXECUTIVE GET FEDERALLY THEIR EXECUTIVE GET FEDERALLY INDICTED, THAT PROMPTED THE INDICTED, THAT PROMPTED THE GAMING COMMISSION TO START GAMING COMMISSION TO START INVESTIGATING, AND LOOKING INTO INVESTIGATING, AND LOOKING INTO SPECTACLE GAMING, AND ITS FORMER SPECTACLE GAMING, AND ITS FORMER CHAIRMAN AND CEO ROD RADCLIFFE CHAIRMAN AND CEO ROD RADCLIFFE AND YOU SAW THINGS TRICKLE OUT AND YOU SAW THINGS TRICKLE OUT AND KIND OF THIS RELATIONSHIP AND KIND OF THIS RELATIONSHIP UNRAVEL.

BECAUSE THE GAMING UNRAVEL.

BECAUSE THE GAMING COMMISSION USED TO HAVE A GREAT COMMISSION USED TO HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THESE RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THESE PLAYERS.

AND THEN THEY FOUND PLAYERS.

AND THEN THEY FOUND SOME ALLEGED WRONGDOINGS, AND IT SOME ALLEGED WRONGDOINGS, AND IT WAS ENOUGH THAT IT PROMPTED THEM WAS ENOUGH THAT IT PROMPTED THEM TO COMPLETELY BAN ROD RADCLIFFE TO COMPLETELY BAN ROD RADCLIFFE FROM GAMING IN INDIANA, WHICH FROM GAMING IN INDIANA, WHICH WAS I THINK A BIG SHOCK TO THOSE WAS I THINK A BIG SHOCK TO THOSE OF US WHO COVER THE GAMBLING OF US WHO COVER THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY IN INDIANA.

STILL, INDUSTRY IN INDIANA.

STILL, GIBSON'S COMPANY SEPARATED FROM GIBSON'S COMPANY SEPARATED FROM IT, RENAMED ITSELF, TRIED TO IT, RENAMED ITSELF, TRIED TO STILL PURSUE THIS, SO I THINK STILL PURSUE THIS, SO I THINK THERE WAS STILL A GOOD AMOUNT OF THERE WAS STILL A GOOD AMOUNT OF THOUGHT BEHIND, OKAY, WELL, THE THOUGHT BEHIND, OKAY, WELL, THE TERRE HAUTE CASINO WILL STILL GO TERRE HAUTE CASINO WILL STILL GO FORWARD DESPITE ALL OF THIS, BUT FORWARD DESPITE ALL OF THIS, BUT NOW, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS?

NOW, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS?

>> LUCY LUCK NOT SO LUCKY, THAT >> LUCY LUCK NOT SO LUCKY, THAT THE GAMING COMMISSION A COUPLE THE GAMING COMMISSION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

IF YOU'RE A LAWMAKER WEEKS AGO.

IF YOU'RE A LAWMAKER WHO -- THIS WAS IN A BILL IN WHO -- THIS WAS IN A BILL IN 2019, A BIG GAMING BILL, IF 2019, A BIG GAMING BILL, IF YOU'RE A LAWMAKER, DO YOU HAVE YOU'RE A LAWMAKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS OVER THAT BILL AT ANY REGRETS OVER THAT BILL AT THIS POINT?

THIS POINT?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO.

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO.

OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MORE CHAOTIC GAMING SORT OF THE MORE CHAOTIC GAMING SORT OF MOMENTS IN INDIANA'S HISTORY.

MOMENTS IN INDIANA'S HISTORY.

AND I DO THINK THERE IS A AND I DO THINK THERE IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, BECAUSE LEGITIMATE CONCERN, BECAUSE THEY'VE OPENED IT UP FOR THEY'VE OPENED IT UP FOR APPLICATIONS, BUT IF I'M APPLICATIONS, BUT IF I'M CORRECT -- ALSO I THINK THEY CORRECT -- ALSO I THINK THEY WERE THE ONLY BIDDER THE FIRST WERE THE ONLY BIDDER THE FIRST TIME.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S TIME.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF APPLICATIONS GOING TO A BUNCH OF APPLICATIONS GOING TO COME INTO THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN.

COME INTO THIS ALL OF A SUDDEN.

>> YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE >> YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF VIGO COUNTY AND TERRE PEOPLE OF VIGO COUNTY AND TERRE HAUTE WHO WERE REALLY COUNTING HAUTE WHO WERE REALLY COUNTING ON THIS AS AN ECONOMIC ON THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

HOW WORRIED DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

HOW WORRIED SHOULD THEY BE?

SHOULD THEY BE?

>> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PRETTY >> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PRETTY WORRIED.

THAT WHOLE EAST PART OF WORRIED.

THAT WHOLE EAST PART OF THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO BE THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THIS IN MIND, AND DEVELOPED WITH THIS IN MIND, AND THEN ALL AROUND IT, AND THE FACT THEN ALL AROUND IT, AND THE FACT THAT THERE AREN'T VERY MANY THAT THERE AREN'T VERY MANY APPLICANTS INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANTS INDICATES THAT THE BIG PLAYERS HAVE LOOKED AND SAID BIG PLAYERS HAVE LOOKED AND SAID YOU CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO YOU CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.

AND IF YOU MAKE IT WORTHWHILE.

AND IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY NOBODY CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY NOBODY IS GOING TO BID ON IT AND THAT IS GOING TO BID ON IT AND THAT IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN OR STOP IS GOING TO SLOW DOWN OR STOP ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'VE GOT CITIES LIKE TERRE WE'VE GOT CITIES LIKE TERRE HAUTE AND MUNCIE AND KOKOMO, AND HAUTE AND MUNCIE AND KOKOMO, AND OTHERS THAT REALLY NEED OTHERS THAT REALLY NEED SOMETHING.

AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED SOMETHING.

AND THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE TERRE HAUTE WITH IT.

TO PROVIDE TERRE HAUTE WITH IT.

AND IT LOOKS SHAKY.

AND IT LOOKS SHAKY.

>> TO LINDSEY'S POINT, IF >> TO LINDSEY'S POINT, IF EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH KEILLOR, AND RADCLIFFE, I DON'T KEILLOR, AND RADCLIFFE, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE GAMING KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE GAMING COMMISSION TO SAY THEY TOOK A COMMISSION TO SAY THEY TOOK A HARD LINE HERE OR NOT.

BUT DO HARD LINE HERE OR NOT.

BUT DO THEY TAKE QUITE AS PERHAPS CLOSE THEY TAKE QUITE AS PERHAPS CLOSE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS?

A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS?

>> I THINK THEY ALWAYS TAKE A >> I THINK THEY ALWAYS TAKE A CLOSE LOOK, THAT SITUATION LAST CLOSE LOOK, THAT SITUATION LAST YEAR CERTAINLY DIDN'T HELP HERE.

YEAR CERTAINLY DIDN'T HELP HERE.

I DO FEEL BAD FOR -- GREG GIBSON I DO FEEL BAD FOR -- GREG GIBSON IS NOT SOME CASINO MAGNATE.

IS NOT SOME CASINO MAGNATE.

>> HE'S A TERRE HAUTE.

>> HE'S A TERRE HAUTE.

>> HE'S A TERRE HAUTE >> HE'S A TERRE HAUTE BUSINESSMAN WHO HAS DONE THESE BUSINESSMAN WHO HAS DONE THESE THINGS AND OTHER THINGS LEADING THINGS AND OTHER THINGS LEADING UP TO THIS TO IMPROVE THE UP TO THIS TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY IN TERRE HAUTE.

THAT COMMUNITY IN TERRE HAUTE.

THAT THIS WAS A CASINO WAS THIS WAS A CASINO WAS IRRELEVANT.

IT WAS ANN JUST IRRELEVANT.

IT WAS ANN JUST DESCRIBED, AN ASSET FOR THE DESCRIBED, AN ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY AND SOMETHING THAT THEY NEEDED.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THEY NEEDED.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT HE'S PUT THIS MUCH TIME AND THAT HE'S PUT THIS MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE EFFORT INTO IT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> DOES THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY GET >> DOES THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY GET INVOLVED HERE TO HELP OUT LUCY INVOLVED HERE TO HELP OUT LUCY LUCK?

LUCK?

NEXT SESSION, CHANGING RULES TO NEXT SESSION, CHANGING RULES TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO REAPPLY, FOR INSTANCE?

REAPPLY, FOR INSTANCE?

>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY COULD >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY COULD DO TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO DO TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO REAPPLY.

REALLY, I MEAN, I THINK REAPPLY.

REALLY, I MEAN, I THINK THE GAMING COMMISSION WAS FED UP THE GAMING COMMISSION WAS FED UP WITH DEALING WITH THEM TO AN WITH DEALING WITH THEM TO AN EXTENT.

THEY WEREN'T DOING ALL EXTENT.

THEY WEREN'T DOING ALL THE THINGS THE GAMING COMMISSION THE THINGS THE GAMING COMMISSION WAS ASKING THEM TO DO.

I THINK WAS ASKING THEM TO DO.

I THINK OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS ESPECIALLY WE HAVE NOW SEEN THE ESPECIALLY WE HAVE NOW SEEN THE GAMING COMMISSION SAYING IF YOU GAMING COMMISSION SAYING IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO DON'T DO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT YOU WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT YOU WHATEVER YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

WHATEVER YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

>> THE EFFORT IN 2019 TO MOVE >> THE EFFORT IN 2019 TO MOVE THESE -- THESE ARE NEW THESE -- THESE ARE NEW LICENSE -- IT IS BECAUSE THEY LICENSE -- IT IS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE REVITALIZED, THE NEED TO BE REVITALIZED, THE VOTES WERE 30 YEARS OLD, THEY VOTES WERE 30 YEARS OLD, THEY NEEDED TO BE REVITALIZED, THEY NEEDED TO BE REVITALIZED, THEY BUILT -- MOVED THE OTHER ONE TO BUILT -- MOVED THE OTHER ONE TO REVITALIZE IN A PART OF THE REVITALIZE IN A PART OF THE STATE THAT NEEDED IT.

THAT WAS STATE THAT NEEDED IT.

THAT WAS THE POINT.

LEGISLATORS MAY SAY THE POINT.

LEGISLATORS MAY SAY WHAT WE PLANNED ON, HALF WHAT WE PLANNED ON, HALF HAPPENED AND THE OTHER HALF IS HAPPENED AND THE OTHER HALF IS IN LIMBO.

IN LIMBO.

>> I WOULD BE MORE CURIOUS TO >> I WOULD BE MORE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THEY MOVE WHERE THE SEE IF THEY MOVE WHERE THE LICENSE CAN BE.

IF NO ONE IS LICENSE CAN BE.

IF NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN BUILDING A CASINO INTERESTED IN BUILDING A CASINO IN TERRE HAUTE...THE LICENSE IN TERRE HAUTE...THE LICENSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> TERRE HAUTE WAS THE ONLY PART >> TERRE HAUTE WAS THE ONLY PART OF THE STATE -- OF THE STATE -- >> BUT, THERE IS NEW CASINOS IN >> BUT, THERE IS NEW CASINOS IN ILLINOIS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS.

ILLINOIS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS.

>> >> FINALLY, A NEW STATE LAW TAKING FINALLY, A NEW STATE LAW TAKING EFFECT NEXT MONTH COULD SEE MORE EFFECT NEXT MONTH COULD SEE MORE DELIVERY ROBOTS IN INDIANA DELIVERY ROBOTS IN INDIANA COMMUNITIES.

THE LEGISLATION COMMUNITIES.

THE LEGISLATION CREATES STANDARDS FOR THE CREATES STANDARDS FOR THE ROBOTS, WHICH ARE ALREADY IN USE ROBOTS, WHICH ARE ALREADY IN USE ON THE PURDUE CAMPUS.

ON THE PURDUE CAMPUS.

ANN DELANEY, ONE OF THE ANN DELANEY, ONE OF THE STANDARDS IS THAT THE DELIVERY STANDARDS IS THAT THE DELIVERY ROBOTS CAN'T GO MORE THAN 10 ROBOTS CAN'T GO MORE THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR.

BUT DON'T YOU MILES PER HOUR.

BUT DON'T YOU NEED YOUR PIZZA FASTER THAN NEED YOUR PIZZA FASTER THAN THAT?

THAT?

>> [LAUGHTER] MAYBE YOU SHOULD >> [LAUGHTER] MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO GET IT YOURSELF OR BUY JUST GO GET IT YOURSELF OR BUY IT FROZEN IF THAT BOTHERS YOU IT FROZEN IF THAT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH.

THAT MUCH.

>> FOOD DELIVERED ALMOST EVERY >> FOOD DELIVERED ALMOST EVERY DAY.

AT THE OFFICE OR AT HOME.

DAY.

AT THE OFFICE OR AT HOME.

>> YOU DON'T COOK.

>> YOU DON'T COOK.

>> HERE'S MY QUESTION, HOW MANY >> HERE'S MY QUESTION, HOW MANY DELIVERY DRIVERS ARE WE GOING TO DELIVERY DRIVERS ARE WE GOING TO PUT OUT OF WORK.

PUT OUT OF WORK.

>> THAT'S IT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF >> THAT'S IT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF JOBS AVAILABLE.

JOBS AVAILABLE.

>> APPLY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> APPLY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> >> THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

FOR THIS WEEK.

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