GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

OUR TOPIC TONIGHT: ABORTION LEGISLATION.

SINCE THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE VERSUS WADE IN 2022, KENTUCKY HAS A NEAR TOTAL BAN ON ABORTIONS.

THE ONLY LEGAL EXCEPTION IS TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF A PREGNANT WOMAN.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR WOMEN WHO BECOME PREGNANT DUE TO RAPE OR INCEST.

SOME DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAVE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION, THIS SESSION, TO CHANGE THAT.

REPUBLICANS HAVE FILED MEASURES THAT WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO TEACH ABOUT HUMAN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT STARTING IN THE 6TH GRADE AND SHOW A COMPUTER-GENERATED ANIMATION OF THE PROCESS OF FERTILIZATION.

ANOTHER BILL CALLS FOR CHILD SUPPORT TO BE COLLECTED “AT ANY TIME FOLLOWING CONCEPTION.” AND THERE ARE BILLS ADDRESSING FAMILY SUPPORT AND MATERNAL HEALTH.

COULD LAWMAKERS PASS PUNITIVE LAWS AGAINST STATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT “AID AND ABET” KENTUCKIANS WHO TRAVEL ACROSS STATE LINES TO GET ABORTIONS?

TO DISCUSS THESE POLICY IDEAS AND MORE • WE HAVE IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO• STATE REPRESENTATIVE NANCY TATE, A REPUBLICAN FROM BRANDENBURG; TAMARRA WIEDER, STATE DIRECTOR OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD ALLIANCE ADVOCATES; ADDIA WUCHNER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF KENTUCKY RIGHT TO LIFE; AND JACKIE MCGRANAHAN, SENIOR POLICY STRATEGIST FOR THE ACLU OF KENTUCKY.

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WELCOME TO OUR GUESTS.

AND THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF THIS VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.

REPRESENTATIVE TATE I WILL START WITH YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEVERAL BILLS THAT YOU'VE FILED THAT ARE WAITING TO BE HEARD IN COMMITTEE AND TO BE CONSIDERED.

TELL US WHAT YOU HOPE GIVE US ONE OF THE ONES YOU FILED THAT YOU HOPE WILL CROSS THE FINISH LINE THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

IT'S ALWAYS AN HONOR TO REPRESENT MY DISTRICT AND AS WELL AS THE PRO-LIFE CAUCUS.

OVER THE INTERIM I WORKED WITH SEVERAL OF MY PEERS IN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH IN ORDER TO WORK ON LEGISLATION THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE AND COMMUNICATE THE HUMANITY OF THE BABY IN THE WOMB.

AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT THE MOTHERS AND THEN ALSO THE BABIES AND THE CHILDREN AS THEY CONTINUE TO GROW UP.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE IS THE HOUSE BILL 10 WHICH IS THE MOMNIBUS.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MATERNAL MORTALITY OWN THIS SHOW BEFORE BUT WE FELT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO AN IN-DEPTH AND NONPARTISAN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WOMEN AND AVOID THAT TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GO TO YOU, ADDIA WUCHNER I HELD A RALLY CALLED LOVE THEM BOTH, AT THE WOMAN AND THE UNBORN.

TELL US HOW MAYBE THE NARRATIVE IS CHANGING WHEN WE HAVE THE PRO-LIFE VERSUS PRO-CHOICE DISCUSSION FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE?

>> I THINK WE MOVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO HOW DO WE CHANGE HEARTS.

WE'VE WATCHED THE DAUBACHS DECISION RETURNING THE DECISION TO THE STATE AND OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY MADE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THE CHILD AND THE WOMB.

WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE DO TO DEMONSTRATE LOVING THEM BOTH, NOT JUST OF JUST THE CHILD AND AFTER DELIVERY OR THE WOMAN.

AND THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FROM OR OWN ORGANIZATION WE HAVE SCLABSHIPS -- SCHOLARSHIPS CALLED HER FUTURE FOR PREGNANT MOMS AND PARENTING.

AND WORKING ON LEGISLATION THAT SAYS KENTUCKY CAN DO MORE AND SHOULD DO MORE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MATERNAL CHILD HEALTH BENEFITS AND THAT RALLY DEMONSTRATED THAT.

IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TURNOUT 600 IN A CHURCH SERVICE BEFORE THE RALLY AND THEN 2,000 MARCHING ARE A PART OF THE GATHERING AND THE MARCH TO THE CAPITOL WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT PLATFORM OF LOVE THEM BOTH.

AND WHAT THEY EXPECT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND ALL OF US TO DO MORE IN KENTUCKY FOR THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN OF KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: I WILL START WITH YOU, THERE ARE BILLS FILED BY MOSTLY ALL DEMOCRATS ABOUT REVERSING THE ABORTION BANS NOW IN PLACE IN KENTUCKY.

WHAT DO YOU HOPE EVEN THE ODDS STACKED AGAINST YOU IN TERMS OF SUPER MAJORITY VERSUS MINORITY WHAT DO YOU HOPE THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SESSION?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED ARE DISCUSSED.

JUST LIKE THE MOMENT BUS WE HAVE BEEN FILING BILLS INCLUDED IN MOMNIBUS FOR 10 YEARS AND MOVING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL NOT MOVE AT A LATER POINT.

WE HAVE SEEN THE INTENTIONAL BILLS THAT YOU HAVE FILED, YOU HAVE BEEN THE ARCHITECTS OF INTENTION SUFFERING IN KENTUCKY.

SO THE VERY LEAST WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SUPPORT FOR PREGNANT MOTHERS IN KENTUCKY FOR PREGNANT PEOPLE.

AND AS WE FIGHT FOR A BETTER FUTURE, WE'RE HOLISTIC HEALTHCARE INCLUDES ABORTION CARE COMING BACK TO THE COMMONWEALTH.

THAT IS A KEY COMPONENT.

>> Renee: SO YOU SUPPORT HOUSE BILL 10 KNOWN AS THE MOMNIBUS BILL?

>> NO.

>> Renee: NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT AT ALL.

>> IN ITS CURRENT FORM, YES.

>> Renee: AND IT'S PASSED AND WAITING FOR A HOUSE FLOOR VOTE AND MAYBE THAT HAPPENS THIS WEEK.

YOU ARE THE COSPONSOR?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE HANDS PROGRAM AND HOW TO EXPAND THAT IS PART OF THE LEGISLATION.

>> Renee: TELL US ABOUT THE HANDS PROGRAM THAT HELPS YUCK AND FIRST TIME PARENTS.

>> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VOLUNTARY PROGRAM FOR WOMEN WHO NEED ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE.

AND SO AN EDUCATION.

SO THE EXPANSION WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN-HOME, IT WOULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THERE TO BE TELEHEALTH SERVICES.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE NOTICED AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A BARRIER FOR WHY PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE TO WORK IN KENTUCKY, IS ALSO SOME OF THE BARRIERS FOR WHY WOMEN ARE NOT HAVING SOLID AND HEALTHY OUTCOMES FOR THEIR MATERNAL HEALTH.

ONE, IS ACCESS TO QUALITY HEALTHCARE.

FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, ANOTHER IS EDUCATION.

A LOT OF WOMEN DON'T REALIZE THAT PRENATAL CARE IS NOT JUST TAKING A VITAMIN IT IS A LOT OF EDUCATION REQUIRED.

SO THERE IS THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THAT EDUCATION AND THAT ACCESS TO THE WOMEN AND MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE AT.

>> Renee: THIS SOUNDS MAYBE AGREEABLE, MAYBE AMENABLE TO A.C.L.U.

OF KENTUCKY DO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE MOMNIBUS BILL?

AND WHAT DO YOU HOPE THE LAWMAKERS WILL CONSIDER THIS SESSION COMING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE?

>> WE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT HOUSE BILL 10.

WE THINK THAT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT LEGISLATION.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL AGREE ON IS THE UNITED STATES IS ONE OF ONLY A FEW DEVELOPED COUNTRIES THAT IT'S MORE DANGEROUS TO GIVE BIRTH THAN IT WAS WHEN OUR PARENTS WERE GIVING BIRTH.

CREATING THESE ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS FOR PREGNANT PEOPLE, OF COURSE, WE AGREE ON IT.

AND WE WANT TO SEE MORE LEGISLATION LIKE THIS MOVE FORWARD.

AND WE NEED PROACTIVE MATERNAL HEALTH LEGISLATION THAT IS GOING TO TACKLE THESE ISSUES SO KENTUCKIANS HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE AND HEALTHY PREGNANCIES.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GET TO A QUESTION THAT COME IN FROM VERSAILLES.

KENTUCKY VOTED IN SUPPORT OF THE RIGHT TO ABORTION IN 2022 WHY ARE WE BEING IGNORED BY LAWMAKERS IN FRANKFORT?

REPRESENTATIVE TATE?

>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.

>> Renee: THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 WAS VOTED DOWN BY KENTUCKY VOTERS.

SO THEY'RE SAYING WHY IS THAT BEING IGNORED IN FRANKFORT RIGHT NOW?

>> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AND HOW FREQUENTLY OR INFREQUENTLY CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS ARE VOTED IN FAVOR OF.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE SINCE NINETEEN 92 ON OUR SECOND OR THIRD CONSTITUTION YET AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, SEVERAL SUGGESTIONS OR ATTEMPTS TO ACTUALLY MODIFY THE CONSTITUTION.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ACTUALLY FAIL.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BE THE ONLY GAUGE THAT WE USE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT KENTUCKIANS FAVOR ABORTIONS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THERE'S 100 OF US AND 80 OF US ARE REPUBLICANS.

NOW, THE MAJORITY OF US RAN ON THE RIGHT TO -- THE PRO-LIFE PLATFORM.

AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS A PERFECT DEMONSTRATION HOW KENTUCKIANS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF LIFE IN THE WOMB.

WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1910 FOR THE VERY FIRST PRO-LIFE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PASSED IN KENTUCKY.

SO HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE.

YOU LOOK AT THE SENATE AND THE COMPOSITION OF THE SENATE THERE'S 38 SENATORS OF WHICH 30 OF THEM ARE REPUBLICANS.

AGAIN, MOST OF THEM RAN ON THE PRO-LIFE PLATFORM.

>> Renee: IS IT NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT KENTUCKIANS WERE SIGNALING THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED TO THEM WAS TOO STRONG AND SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED FOR EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST OR MALADIES THAT WOULD DETERMINE A PREGNANCY NONVIABLE.

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL THAT LANGUAGE WAS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

THOUGH THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT OCCURRED AROUND IT, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ONLY SAID THERE WAS NO RIGHT TO AN ABORTION IN THE CONSTITUTION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTION RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A RIGHT TO ABORTION.

NOR DID THAT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT SAY THAT EITHER.

>> I DISAGREE WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE'S ANALYSIS OF THAT.

KENTUCKIANS TURNED OUT AGAINST THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT ABORTION ACCESS.

WHEN WE WERE DOING POLLING, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO KENTUCKIANS THEY ARE FED UP WITH THE ATTACKS ON ABORTION CARE.

AND WE JUST SAW ANOTHER REFERENDUM ON ABORTION ACCESS IN THE LAST ELECTION WITH ANDY BESHEAR.

PEOPLE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR ATTACKS ON ABORTION ACCESS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST IN LOUISVILLE AND LEXINGTON IT'S ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

IT IS IN MURRAY, IN HAZARD.

PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE HOURS TO RECEIVE BASIC REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE BECAUSE YOUR BILLS THAT YOU PASSED HAVE DRIVEN DOCTORS OUT OF THE STATE.

DRIVEN THEM OUT OF THE STATE.

73 COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE PRACTICING OBGYN'S NOW AND THE BANS ARE TRICKLING INTO BASIC HEALTHCARE BECAUSE IT IS HEALTHCARE.

AND KENTUCKIANS FAMILIES OF ALL AGES ARE ANGRY AND IT'S GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN INTO THE NEXT ELECTION BECAUSE ABORTION WILL BE ON THE BALLOT EVERY CYCLE.

>> Renee: HOW CAN YOU SUBSTANTIATE THAT OBGYN'S ARE LEAVING THE STATE DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE TO BACK THAT UP?

>> WE HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENCY PROGRAMS THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO RETAIN RESIDENTS.

THAT RECRUITING TO BRING DOCTORS INTO THE STATE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

AND THAT WE KNOW FROM PROVIDERS ARE RETIRING NOW AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET NEW DOCTORS INTO THE STATE.

WE DO KNOW THAT THE STATISTIC THE 73 COUNTIES THAT IS FROM 2014.

IT HAS LIKELY BEEN WORSE BECAUSE THROUGH COVID WE SAW A MASS EXODUS AS WELL.

>> COULD I RESPOND TO THAT.

COMING FROM A HEALTHCARE BACKGROUND AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE IN KENTUCKY FOR MANY YEARS THE DECREASE IN PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS AND OBGYN IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST AREAS OF LITIGATION BESIDES GENERAL SURGERY.

IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE AND YOU LOOK BACK IN THE HISTORY WHEN INTERNNISTS AND FAMILY DOCTORS USED TO DELIVER BABIES AND IT BECAME A SPECIALTY OF OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY.

IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES TO HAVE PHYSICIANS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

IT DIDN'T BEGIN WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WHICH WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT ABOUT A RIGHT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARAMETERS OF ABORTION OR NOT AND WAS 48-52 AND OUTSPENT 8-1 ON THE MEASURE.

BUT GOING BACK TO THE VALIDITY OF A STATEMENT TO SAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ABORTION ACCESS IN THE STATE AND NOT ACCESS TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF A CHILD, EXCEPT WHEN THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER IS IN DANGER, THAT THIS IS WHAT IS DRIVING DOCTORS OUT OF THE STATE.

IS JUST NOT HONEST AND TRUTHFUL AND FAIR.

>> IT'S TRUTHFUL AND THERE'S EVIDENCE FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF OBGYN'S LEAVING STATES WITH ABORTION BANS IN IT.

THAT IS -- THERE IS EVIDENCE-BASED ON THAT.

AND WE HAVE SEEN MATERNITY WARDS IN IDAHO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE DOCTORS LEFT THE STATE BASED ON THEIR BANS.

THEY HAVE LEFT THE STATE WITHOUT ACCESS AND KENTUCKY IS GOING TO FOLLOW SUIT IF WE DON'T REVERSE COURSE.

>> THANK YOU.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXEMPTIONS I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT KENTUCKIANS HAVE VOICED.

YOU'VE SEEN SIMILAR POLLING THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT MOST KENTUCKIANS WANT MORE -- WANT MORE ACCESS.

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RAPE AND, INCEST AND FETAL ANOMALIES.

WE SAW WHEN WE WERE HERE THE LAST TIME THERE WAS SOMEONE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THEY WERE, THEY WERE ON THE SCREEN FROM FLORIDA AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT RAPE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY RARE AND WASN'T HAPPENING.

AND THE JOURNAL OF AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION RELEASED A REPORT AND IN THE 17 MONTHS SINCE ABORTION HAS BEEN BANNED THERE WERE NEARLY 24,000 SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN KENTUCKY IN 17 MONTHS.

AND THERE WERE 2965 PREGNANCIES AS A RESULT OF RAPE IN JUST THAT 17 MONTHS.

AND THE REASON THAT HADLY STORY RESONATED IS PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO THAT.

WHERE IS THE DIGNITY IN FORCING A RAPE VICTIM TO CARRY THE RAPIST'S PREGNANCY.

AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CONTINUE A PREGNANCY I WANT THEM TO HAVE ALL OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

BUT IF THEY DO NOT, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO TERMINATE THAT PREGNANCY.

>> Renee: REPRESENTATIVE TATE, HADLEY -- WE SHOULD CLARIFY, HADLEY DUVAL WAS FEATURED AND CAMPAIGN ADS ON BEHALF OF GOVERNOR BESHEAR AND MANY WILL SAY THAT THAT HELPED TILT THAT ELECTION THAT HER TESTIMONY WAS PERSUADABLE AS A YOUNG GIRL AT AGE 12 SHE WAS REPEATEDLY ASSAULTED BY HER STEPFATHER.

RESULTED IN A PREGNANCY BUT SHE MISCARRIED.

DO YOU AFTER HEARING THAT STORY AND OTHERS, HAS THAT CHANGED YOUR MIND REPRESENTATIVE TATE ABOUT EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST OR FETAL ABNORMALITIES?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE IS WHENEVER I LISTEN TO THE HADLEY STORY THERE WERE SO MANY EMOTIONS THAT WENT THROUGH ME.

FOR EXAMPLE THE FIRST WAS ANGER.

BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT A CHILD WHO WAS BEING ABUSED BY HER STEPFATHER FOR YEARS.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY WHERE WERE WE?

AND PEOPLE SAY WHAT IS WE?

I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM -- I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF ANYBODY.

WHERE WERE WE, WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?

WHERE WERE THE TEACHERS?

WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY?

AND AS A STATE, WHAT HAVE WE DONE?

IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO SEE THAT AND THE SADNESS.

IT WAS SO EASY FOR ME TO SEE HOW BROKEN HADLEY STILL IS JUST FROM THE MANY, MANY TIMES THAT I HEARD HER CRY FOR HELP DURING THOSE ADS.

FOR ME IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE RAPE VICTIMS, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS LATER NOW.

IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS SHE HAS NOT RECEIVED THE SERVICES THAT SHE NEEDS.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND AS A LAWMAKER TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE GETS THE SUPPORT SHE NEEDS FROM A PHYSICAL, MENTAL, EMOTIONAL, SPIRITUAL AND FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.

>> Renee: DOES THE SLATE OF LEGISLATION DO THAT FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD THAT EXPERIENCE?

>> AT THIS POINT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR THE PRO-LIFE CAUCUS AND I EXPECT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT.

HOPEFULLY THIS SESSION.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT TO LOOK AT MODEL LANGUAGE THAT IS BEING USED BY OTHER STATES.

IN ADDITION TO ACTUALLY BEING THE STELLAR STATE THAT PROVIDES THAT.

SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS WERE CONCEIVED FROM RAPE AND INCEST.

FOR US TO LOOK AT THOSE PEOPLE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION.

LIFE IS NOT AN OPTION.

LIFE SHOULD BE VALUED FROM CONCEPTION TO DEATH REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES EVEN IF IT'S LIKE A HEINOUS CRIME AS FAR AS LIKE RAPE AND INCEST.

IT DOESN'T DEVALUE THE PERSON THAT THAT IS A GIFT.

>> I FULLY BELIEVE IF THAT IS YOUR CHOICE TO CONTINUE THE PREGNANCY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OPTIONS AND RESOURCES TO DO THAT.

BUT IN THE SAME INSTANCE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO TERMINATE, YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE AS WELL.

>> BUT THAT DOESN'T JUST TERMINATING THE PREGNANCY DOES NOT ELIMINATE OR DOES NOT ERASE OR DOES NOT MAKE THE CRIME THAT TERRIBLE ABUSE GO AWAY.

IT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT STATISTICS IT DEMONSTRATES THAT NOW THAT WOMAN ACTUALLY HAS TO CARRY NOT ONLY THE BURDEN OF THAT ATTACK, BUT ALSO THE BURDEN OF LOSING THAT CHILD OR ABORTING THAT CHILD.

>> .

>> I'VE HAD AN ABORTION.

AND I IT WAS THE BEST DECISION FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY AND I DON'T REGRET IT.

AND I KNOW IN MY STORY IS NOT EVERYONE'S STORY.

BUT THAT WORKS IN SEVERAL WAYS.

YOUR STORY IS NOT EVERYONE'S STORY.

AND I RESPECT YOUR CHOICES.

AND THE WAY THAT YOU'RE MOVING FROM YOUR VALUES.

AND ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR THE SAME RESPECT THAT'S ALL.

>> HOW PEOPLE PROCESS TRAUMA IS DIFFERENT AND I THINK WE NEED TO VALIDATE THAT VICTIMS OF RAPE AND INCEST DESERVE TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR BODY NEXT.

THEY LOST THAT CHOICE WHILE THEY WERE VICTIMS OF A CRIME.

THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT CHOICE DENIED THEM IN THIS NEXT AVENUE.

AND IF THEY WANT TO HAVE AN ABORTION, YOU SHOULD NOT BE DENYING THEM THEIR AUTONOMY AGAIN.

>> Renee: SO I WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER POINT.

YOU MENTIONED PERHAPS A BILL COULD BE FORTHCOMING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS MENTAL HEALTH ET CETERA TO HELP THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED THROUGH SEXUAL ASSAULT AND INCEST.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT AN IDEA THAT I PROPOSED IN THE INTRODUCTION ABOUT IT SEEMS THAT I RECALL FROM A PUBLIC FORUM BY THE FAMILY FOUNDATION LAST FALL THAT YOU INTIMATED THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED AND FILING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD CRIMINALIZE THOSE AGENCIES, ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PEOPLE GO OUT OF STATE TO GET AN ABORTION.

IS THAT FORTHCOMING THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION?

>> THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL OF US THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT WITHIN THE PRO-LIFE CAUCUS, WITHIN JUST IN THE DURING DEBATES AND DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT NOW IS THE PROPER TIME TO DO THAT.

OR IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO REITERATE THE HUMANITY OF THE CHILD AND TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE WOMEN AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PROSECUTING OR BRINGING CHARGES AGAINST PEOPLE AIDING AND ABETTING.

>> Renee: WOULD IT GO AS FAR AS TO PROSECUTE THE WOMAN?

>> I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY INTEREST IN DOING THAT.

FROM THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.

THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE DISCUSSED THAT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY CONCERNING THAT THERE ARE EVEN TALKS ABOUT GOING AFTER ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT PEOPLE SEEKING HEALTHCARE.

>> Renee: WHICH WOULD BE PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

>> WHICH WOULD BE KENTUCKY HEALTH JUSTICE NETWORK MANY ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH SUPPORT PEOPLE SEEKING HEALTHCARE.

AND WHEN YOU LEAVE THE STATE YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THE EYES OF LEGISLATORS IN YOUR HEALTHCARE ROOMS WITH YOU AND FOLLOWING YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS WITH YOU AS YOU GO.

THIS IS DEEPLY TROUBLING.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CROSS STATE LINES FOR ANYTHING.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE CARDIOLOGY APPOINTMENTS ARE YOU GOING TO FOLLOW THEM THERE?

GOING FOR MY MAMMOGRAM APPOINTMENT WHEN I GO TO CINCINNATI?

NO IT IS ABORTION CARE.

AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP BECAUSE WE SEE IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IVF WAS HIT IN ALABAMA THIS WEEK.

WE FORESEE CONTINUED HITS ON OUR REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM IN KENTUCKY AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IVF WAS TARGETED WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE.

>> IVF THE SUPREME COURT IN ALABAMA RULED FRIDAY THAT EMBRIE OWES ARE CONSIDERED HUMAN LIFE WHICH WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR FAMILIES SEEKING IVF HOW THEY WILL HANDLE THEIR EMBRYOS.

PEOPLE SEEKING IVF WILL HAVE A HARD TIME IN ALABAMA.

>> I AM BRIE I DON'T KNOWIC ADOPTION IS A VERY VIABLE OPTION THAT IS SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.

BUT THERE WAS WORDING THAT YOU USED I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS.

WE SAY JUST ABORTION CARE.

LET'S REMIND OURSELVES WHAT ABORTION IS.

IT IS THE WILLFUL DETERMINATION TO TAKE THE LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING.

A SMALL FRAGILE HUMAN LIFE.

AND I ALWAYS GO BACK TO THAT TO REMIND US.

49 YEARS OF USING THE WORD ABORTION AND ROE WE SANITIZED THE WORD AND EMERGE TO DO INTO HEALTHCARE.

AND SO THERE'S TWO SIDES THAT THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE AND REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM AND IT HAS ACCESS TO CONTRACEPTION AND CHOICES AND IT INCLUDES ABORTION.

AND SUDDENLY IT TAKES A BROAD SCOPE, SWIPE HERE A BROAD BRUSH AND PUTS IT ALTOGETHER.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT DIFFER US IN HOW WE LOOK AT HEALTHCARE ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN AND HOW WE LOOK AT THAT LIFE OF A CHILD.

AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RAPE AND INCEST I WILL SAY IT IS THE MOST BRUTAL BARBARIC FORMS OF ATTACK AND SEXUAL ATTACK AN ATTACK ON ANYONE'S HUMANITY.

WE WILL ALL AGREE.

ALL OF US AS WELL WILL AGREE AND I HOPE THE LISTENERS MEN AND WOMEN WOULD AGREE WITH US.

WHERE WE DIFFER IS AND WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BECAUSE WE BEGIN TO LOOK AT OURSELVES AS AN ORGANIZATION.

SO WE HAVE POLLED AND POLLED AND POLLED AND ASKED WHITE PAPER ON IT AT THE FAIR WE LISTENED TO RESPOND ENDS AND THE QUESTION IS: YOU HAVE TO ASK DO WE BELIEVE THAT A CHILD CONCEIVED IN AN ACT OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, VIOLENCE, RAPE OR INCEST AND A CHILD CONCEIVED IN THE LOVING EMBRACE OF THEIR PARENTS HAS THE SAME VALUE AND DIGNITY.

SO WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THAT LIFE, THAT TINY LIFE THAT WAS CREATED AND BROUGHT INTO BEING.

IF WE MOST PEOPLE WILL SAY WELL THERE'S NOT THAT LIFE DOESN'T HAVE LESS VALUE BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF ITS CONCEPTION.

THEN DO WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE LIVES SHOULD BE PROTECTED BY THE SAME LAWS?

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE LEAVE OUT THE HUMANITY OF THE CHILD WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RAPE AND INCEST.

MY CONCERN IS THE JURIS PRUDENCE BEFORE ROE WAS OVERTURNED, IN LOOKING BACK THERE WERE PROBABLY MINORS THAT HAD ACQUIRED AN ABORTION IN THE STATE THE LAST COUPLE YEARS MAYBE 30.

BETWEEN 30-40.

BUT WHERE IS THE OUTCRY ON THE PROSECUTION OF THOSE WHO COMMITTED CRIMES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, RAPE INCEST ON A MINOR CHILD?

WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE JURIS PRUDENCE FOR THE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST CHILDREN HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH.

THERE IS WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM F THERE ARE THAT MANY SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN KENTUCKY WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO BE COMING TOGETHER FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AS WOMEN AS PRO-LIFE GROUPS A.C.L.U.

AND LEGISLATORS WHAT CAN WE DO WHY ARE THESE CRIMES AND ASSAULTS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN OCCURRING HERE IN KENTUCKY?

>> Renee: SO THIS COMMENT FROM LOUISVILLE VIEWER TONIGHT.

QUOTE LAST SUMMER LOUISVILLE'S BUILDING WAS FORCED TO MAKE HOMELESS CHILDREN SLEEP ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR OFFICES.

DO WE THINK AWORKS RESTRICTIONS ARE CONTRIBUTING OR WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AN INFLUX IN THE NEED FOR FOSTER PLACEMENTS?

>> I'M GOING TO SAY NO.

BUT THEN AGAIN IT'S ALSO MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ADEQUATE FUNDING AND ADEQUATE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE FOSTER AND ADOPTION CARE SERVICES.

I CAN'T REALLY SEE IN MY MIND THERE'S ANYWAY THAT A CHILD SO IF A CHILD AT WHAT IS IT JUST THE CHILD IN THE WOMB THAT DESERVES TO DIE BECAUSE FOR THE ACTIONS?

AT WHAT POINT I KNOW THERE'S SOME LEGISLATORS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT IN BLUE STATES WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO KILL THE CHILD AFTER 25 OR 30 DAYS OF BIRTH.

>> THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

>> TALK ABOUT THROW OUT THE.

>> THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.

>> CRAZY THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING EVERYBODY IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS.

>> NOBODY IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME THAT ARE UP NORTH, MAYBE LIKE MAINE WHERE.

>> NOBODY IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS.

>> I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

>> NO, REPRESENTATIVE TATE.

THAT IS INFLAMMATORY.

>> I THINK YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED THAT DOESN'T MEAN AS A SOCIETY WE NEED TO EMBRACE THOSE.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US AS LEGISLATORS AND AS THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THE FOSTER CARE AND ADOPTION CARE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED.

I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A TRAVESTY THAT THOSE CHILDREN WERE SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND DO AN INVESTIGATION OF WHY THAT OCCURRED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT NEVER OCCURS AGAIN.

>> YES, I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FROM ABORTION BANS.

AND I SAY UNINTENDED BECAUSE I AM ASSURE IT WAS NOT THE INTENT BUT THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THEM.

I KNOW THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION DID ANOTHER STUDY WE DON'T KNOW IT'S NOT KENTUCKY SPECIFIC BUT WE DO KNOW SINCE IN THE 17 MONTHS SINCE THE DAUBACHS DECISION WAS RELEASED, FOSTER CARE HAS BEEN UP IN STATES WHO BAN ABORTION ACCESS 11%.

WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS A FOSTER CARE CRISIS IN KENTUCKY.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH MATERNAL MORTALITY.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A CHILDCARE CRISIS IN KENTUCKY.

AND I WANT TO SEE LEGISLATION TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES.

>> IF YOU GO BACK TO MATERNAL MORTALITY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS FOR MATERNAL MORTALITY, THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DEF VACCINATION OFF BUT 91% WERE AVOIDABLE.

AND 82% OF THOSE WERE BECAUSE OF THE OPIOID CRISIS OR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.

IF.

>> BUT BLACK PARENTS ARE DYING AT THREE TIMES THE RATE.

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT IF IT'S BECAUSE THE SUBSTANCE USE CRISIS DEVASTATED KENTUCKY.

AND SO IF 82% OF THOSE MORTALITIES ARE DUE TO SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, THEN WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ATTACK THAT.

AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WOMEN WHO ARE USING OPIOIDS OR WHATEVER ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE OR LEGAL SUBSTANCE THAT THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE HEALTHY OUTCOMES.

>> WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN MATERNAL MORTALITY SINCE DOBBS IT'S 11% IN KENTUCKY.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

MATERNAL MORTALITY IS RANKED FROM THE PERIOD THERE IS A RANKING FOR THE FIRST 40 ODD DAYS AFTER DELIVERY TO THE FIRST YEAR.

ACCIDENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

MANY OTHER THINGS CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO MATERNAL MORTALITY.

WHAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUES THE HEALTH DECISION PARTICIPATORS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS IN THIS COMMONWEALTH AND THE LEGISLATURE AND HAT IS THROUGH EDUCATION IMPROVING ACCESS FOR WOMEN TO HAVE ACCESS TO CARE.

AND EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE ACCESS FOR CARE, WE KNOW THAT THE GREAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM BY THE TIME THEY REACH DELIVERY HAVE ONLY HAD ONE PRENATAL VISIT OR FOUR OR LESS.

SO HOW DO WE INCREASE THAT?

THAT IS ONLY THROUGH EDUCATION.

THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THROUGH CHANGING ABORTION LAWS OR RESTORING ANYTHING WITH ABORTION.

OR THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF YOUR CHILD.

BUT WHAT WE DO IN MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO CARE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE REACHING OUT SO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE ACCESS THE MOM BILL ALLOWING HAD PRIVATE INSURANCE REQUIRING PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR THAT TO BE A QUALIFYING EVENT NOW SHE CAN BUY INDIVIDUAL INSURANCE BUT SHE ALSO HAS THAT MOM UNDER LAW HAS PRESUMPTIVE ELIGIBILITY UNDER MEDICAID FOR THE FIRST SO MANY WEEKS UNTIL THEY CAN DETERMINE IF SHE IS MEDICAID ELIGIBLE.

A LOT OF WOMEN AREN'T AWARE OF THAT.

AREN'T AWARE THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

THAT EARLY INTERVENTION WHEN SHE FINDS OUT SHE IS PREGNANT AND STARTING PRETHAT TALL CARE MAKES THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE FOR THE OUTCOME OF THE MOM AND THE OUTCOME OF THAT CHILD.

LOW BIRTH WEIGHTS WE'VE BEEN PLAGUED WITH LOW BIRTH WEIGHTS AND COMPLICATIONS FOR CHILDREN AND WE HAVE A HIGH RATE OF SIDES THAT HAS TO DO MORE WITH EDUCATION AND SMOKING AND OTHER THINGS IN THE HOME.

WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

WHAT I DON'T AGREE YOU SAY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ABORTION CARE.

WE WOULD SEE BETTER HEALTH OUTCOMES IF WE BROUGHT ABORTION CARE BACK.

AND WE WOULD HAVE AN EASIER TIME ATTRACTING PEOPLE BACK TO THE STATE ATTRACTING RESIDENTS TO OUR PROGRAMMING BECAUSE THEY COULD GET FULL TRAINING IN KENTUCKY AND NOT HAVE TO LEAVE.

>> YOU SOUND LIKE DOCTORS WERE JUST DOING ABORTIONS IN THEIR DAILY PRACTICES.

THEY WEREN'T.

>> .

>> IT IS PART OF THE DAILY PRACTICES.

>> EMW, WHEN THEY COULD TALK TO THEIR PATIENTS WITHOUT THE CHILLING EFFECT OF THE FEAR OF WHAT IS THE NEW LAW FROM FRANKFORT AM I ALLOWED TO TALK TO MY PATIENTS ABOUT THIS?

IF I SEND THEM TO ILLINOIS AM I GOING TO HAVE THE EYES OF FRANKFORT ON ME?

THE CHILLING EFFECT HAS HAD A MASSIVE EFFECT ON DOCTORS WHO I TALK TO.

THEY ARE AFRAID OF THIS NEW LANDSCAPE.

>> Renee: I WANT TO SHIFT NOW TO A BILL THAT YOU HAVE REPRESENTATIVE TATE HOUSE BILL 346, THIS IS CALLED OLIVIA'S LAW.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> Renee: IT WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC SCHOOLS STARTING IN MIDDLE SCHOOL TO TALK ABOUT HUMAN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OR FEET TALL DEVELOPMENT AND TO SHOW A THREE-MINUTE VIDEO THAT IS ANIMATED THAT SHOWS THE PROCESS OF FERT INDICATION.

FERTILIZATION.

TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVATION FOR THE BILL AND WHY YOU FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO COMMUNICATE TO THE STARTING IN THE SIXTH GRADE FOR AGE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION TO BE SHARED WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS AND SHARED WITH THE CHILDREN ABOUT THE SPECTACULAR IT'S SPECTACULAR THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE BABY IN THE WOMB.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HUMANITY OF THE BABY IN THE WOMB.

AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING A BLOB OR NOT BEING A BABY.

WE KNOW THAT THE HEART BEAT CAN BE DETECTED AFTER LIKE 18 DAYS.

AND SO THIS IS A BABY AND IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO DETERMINE THROUGH THE ULTRASOUND THAT IT IS A BABY.

AND I KNOW WHENEVER I WAS IN SCHOOL WE WERE ACTUALLY TAUGHT THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION.

THE GROWTH OF THE BABY AND WHAT OCCURRED FROM EVERY WINK -- WEEK, AND SOMEHOW THAT MOVED AWAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BABY IN THE WOMB TO MORE LIKE SEX EDUCATION.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.

BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS A BABY IN THE WOMB.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THE LANGUAGE IS.

>> Renee: HOW DO YOU READ THIS MEASURE?

>> I AM A PROPONENT OF COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION.

HOWEVER HOUSE BILL 346 AND SPECIFICALLY THE VIDEO THAT THE OLIVIA VIDEO HAS A LOT OF INACCURACIES MEDICAL INACCURACIES BY THE WEEKS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC TO SAY THE LEAST THEY ARE UNSCIENTIFIC.

THEY'VE COME OUT AGAINST THE VIDEO.

VIDEOS LIKE THIS SHOULD NOT BE DISPLAYED TO CHILDREN.

>> THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS.

THIS BILL SHOULD NOT BE IN FRONT OF CHILDREN BECAUSE THE VIDEO SHOULD NOT BE IN FRONT OF CHILDREN ONLY ACCURATE INFORMATION I'M IN SUPPORT ON INFORMATION OF FERTILIZATION THEY NEED TO BE ACCURATE FACT BASED.

I CAN GO WEEK BY WEEK WITH YOU REPRESENTATIVE TATE ON THE VIDEO THAT IS PURPORTED AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> Renee: DOES THE VIDEO SUGGEST OR FLAT OUT SAY THAT FERTILIZATION HAPPENS AT CONCEPTION?

>> YES.

THE VIDEO AT LEAST THAT IS PUT AS THE GOLD STANDARD TO BE MIRRORED BY THAT IT IS WHEN THE SPERM MEETS THE EGG THIS IS THE MOMENT THAT LIFE BEGINS.

THAT IS IN THE VIDEO.

THERE IS NO CONSENSUS AMONG THE SCIENTIFIC OR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES WHEN LIFE BEGINS.

>> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, I GUESS THAT IS ONE OF THE DEBATES.

BUT THIS VIDEO HAS ACTUALLY BEEN APPROVED BY ACCREDITED OBGYN'S.

>> NOT THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS NOT THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY A KNOWN FRINGE GROUP.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO SAY WHILE IT'S CALLED THE BABY OLIVIA ACT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THIS VIDEO BE USED.

>> A VIDEO LIKE IT.

>> IT CALLS FOR A THREE-MINUTE VIDEO THAT COMMUNICATES THE SPECTACULAR GROWTH OF THE HUMAN IN THE WOMB.

>> REPRESENTATIVE TATE COULD THAT BE LEFT UP TO INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS TO DECIDE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT LEAVES IT UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I CANNOT REQUIRE LEGISLATIVELY THAT A PARTICULAR VIDEO BE USED.

AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE THAT VIDEO MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.

IT REQUIRES THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO COMMUNICATE SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL PROVEN INFORMATION A THREE-MINUTE VIDEO THAT COMMUNICATES THE SPECTACULAR GROWTH OF THE BABY IN THE WOMB.

>> AS LONG AS IT'S ACCURATE AND THAT MEDICAL BODIES SUPPORT IT THAT ARE ACCREDITED LIKE THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS.

>> IN OUR DISCUSSION, AND I THINK TOMORROW YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE MAYBE WE DON'T AGREE, BASICALLY IS WHEN LIFE BEGINS.

I THINK WE HAD IT IN MY OFFICE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

AND SO MEDICAL SCIENCE WOULD AFFIRM, BIOLOGY WOULD AFFIRM YOU ARE SHAKING YOUR HEAD THAT LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

>> THERE IS NOT A CONSENSUS ON THAT.

AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION LEFT FOR THE HOUSEHOLD NOT THE SCHOOL.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

WE JUST LOOK AT THIS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WE LOOK AT IT IT PROVIDES SOLUTIONS FOR LIFE.

WHEREAS YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS FOR DEATH.

THAT IS JUST UNFORTUNATE.

>> THAT IS NOT FAIR.

I FEEL THAT IS NOT A FAIR ASSESSMENT.

WE NEED TO HAVE MEDICALLY GROUNDED INFORMATION FACT BASED INFORMATION IN THE SCHOOLS AND THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

>> ABORTION IS ABSOLUTELY THE DEATH OF A CHILD IN THE WOMB.

>> I DO NOT AGREE.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT.

>> WE LOOK AT IT FROM TWO PERSPECTIVES.

>> I CANNOT AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

>> WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE FROM A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH WE WANT TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ENCOURAGE AND HAVE HEALTHY OUTCOMES FOR BOTH THE BABY AND THE MOTHER.

>> PROPAGANDA LIKE THIS IN THE CLASSROOM IS UNACCEPTABLE.

>> OUR LAWS ARE EVEN STATE HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

SO MUCH OF THE WORK THAT BUILDS ON THAT IS BASED ON SCIENTIFIC PROOF YOU WOULDN'T EMBED IT INTO THE LAWS OF KENTUCKY SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE.

>> YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME IN FRANKFORT.

I'M SORRY.

>> SEE THAT IS A BIG STRETCH BETWEEN US THAT LIFE DOESN'T BEGIN AT THAT UNIQUE MOMENT WHEN THE DNA OF THE MOTHER AND THE FATHER UNITE AND THE SPERM AND EGG UNITE AND A COMPLETELY UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL AT THAT MOMENT SPARKS OF A NEW LIFE.

>> THAT IS CALLED FERTILIZATION.

FERTILIZATION AND IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE GERM NATIONAL STAGE OF PREGNANCY.

>> Renee: DOES YOUR BILL DOES IT TALK ABOUT SEXUAL EDUCATION IN ANYWAY?

PREVENTATIVE MEASURES FOR PREGNANCY?

IS IT AN ABSTINENCE ONLY TYPE OF POLICY?

WHAT ARE THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF IT OTHER THAN THE ANIMATED VIDEO.

>> THAT IS ALL IT IS.

NOTHING FROM ABSTINENCE BECAUSE THAT LEGISLATION HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED.

THIS DOES NOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL CRITERIA OR REQUIREMENTS.

>> Renee: HAVE YOU HEARD FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT THEY DESIRE TO HAVE THIS PART OF THEIR HEALTH CURRICULUM?

>> ACTUALLY I HAVE NOT.

SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT ONLY I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS OBVIOUSLY.

I THINK IF WE GO BACK THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS IN MY OFFICE WITH THESE LADIES AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT THEIR ORGANIZATIONS.

SO I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FROM A LEGISLATIVE PERSPECTIVE, FOR ONE OF MY PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS.

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE WAYS THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN BE PROTECTED IN THE WOMB BY COMMUNICATING TO SIXTH GRADERS AND OLDER AGE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION THAT COMMUNICATES THAT THERE IS A BABY IN THE WOMB.

>> Renee: WHY SIXTH GRADE?

>> IT IS A VERY GOOD IT'S THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AGE WHEN THERE'S THEY BECOME VERY CURIOUS AS FAR AS LIKE SEX AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I USED TO TEACH A FIFTH GRADE GROUP AT MY CHURCH.

AND AT THAT POINT THERE WERE SO MANY QUESTIONS FROM THOSE FIFTH GRADERS AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US AS ADULTS TO COMMUNICATE ACCURATE INFORMATION.

BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO FIND OUT THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT TRUE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE GET.

>> Renee: ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT THIS COULD LEAD TO CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ISSUES THAT YOU WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE KUSESSED OR BE AFOUL OF THE LAW.

NOT ABSTINENCE BUT BIRTH CONTROL?

>> THAT LEGISLATION HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT THE CHILD HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

THE INFORMATION ABOUT SEX IS IN EVERY PART OF OUR LIVES BE IT FROM THE TELEVISION, BE IT FROM VIDEO GAMES, BE IT FROM MAGAZINES.

THEY ARE VERY CURIOUS WE MIGHT AS WELL START COMMUNICATING ACCURATE INFORMATION AT THAT AGE.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW AT THE END OF JANUARY 2024 THIS YEAR, SEVEN STATES HAD ALREADY FILED THIS BILL.

PART OF A NATIONAL COORDINATED STRATEGY TO GET THIS BILL ACROSS HOSTILE STATES TO ABORTION ACCESS.

REPRESENTATIVE TATE IS PART OF A COORDINATED EFFORT TO GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

>> I FULLY AGREE.

I THINK THAT STUDENTS NEED ACCESS TO COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION.

IT'S IMPORTANT.

I DON'T APPRECIATE -- I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE BILL THAT PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO.

I THINK IF WE'RE WANTING TO FOR -- IF WE WANT LESS FOLKS TO HAVE ABORTIONS, MORE ACCESS TO SEX EDUCATION WOULD PREVENT THAT.

AND ALSO WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, SENATE BILL 34 SENATOR WESTERFIELD'S BILL, I THINK THIS TYPE OF AN EXPANSIVE LEGISLATION AND SENATE BILL 34 TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS WATCHING THIS IS A BILL THAT WOULD LENGTHEN AND MAINTAIN ELIGIBILITY OF MANY PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, THIS WOULD EXPAND CHILDCARE ASSISTANCE, TUITION WAIVER AND THIS REALLY IS CREATING A PATH FORWARD FOR FAMILIES AND ESPECIALLY SINGLE PARENTS GIVING AN OPTION.

I WAS A YOUNG PARENT.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE I GREW UP POOR.

I KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO HAVE SMALL KIDS AT HOME AND NOT KNOW IT WAS A STRUGGLE EVERY NIGHT TO FEED THEM.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TAKE THAT PREGNANCY TEST AND BE SCARED TO DEATH.

AND WHEN ACCESS TO OPTIONS LIKE THOSE WOULD BE THAT WOULD STOP SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO HAVE AN ABORTION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FEED THE KIDS THEY HAVE.

BUT, YET, THIS BILL JUST SITS.

AND LIKE WE DON'T SEE ACTION FROM THE LEGISLATORS AND I'M ASKING YOU ALL LIKE WHY IS THIS LEGISLATION NOT MOVING?

AND LIKE OTHER BILLS THAT YOU ALL PROMOTE AND PUSH THEY FLY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE?

>> WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT BILL IT WAS ON OUR LIST OF SUPPORTIVE MEASURES WE KNOW IT'S VERY ROBUST AND SENATOR WESTERFIELD HIS COMPASSION LIKE ALL OF US FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH I COULDN'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO DISAGREE ON THAT BUT IT'S ROBUST BUT YOU WILL START TO SEE THE BUDGET ALMOST LIKE IT HAS BUDGET ELEMENTS TO T SO THE BUDGET IS NOW OVER IN THE SENATE.

SO YOU MAY SEE COMPONENTS OF THAT ADDED I THINK SENATOR CARROLL HAS A CHILDCARE.

>> SENATE BILL 300.

>> THAT IS RIGHT WHICH IS BEING CONSIDERED YOU WILL SEE COMPONENTS OF THAT.

>> I KNOW I THINK HIS BILL IS GREAT, TOO.

BUT IT'S SEPARATE.

>> LIKE A BIG WISH LIST.

AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO SENATOR WESTERFIELD EARLY ON.

>> BILL: THE SAFER KENTUCKY ACT.

IT ADVANCED.

>> Renee: A BIG WISH LIST HAPPENED.

AND SO DO YOU ALL EMBRACE SENATE BILL 34 ALLED THE ALPHA ACT FROM SENATOR WESTERFIELD IT HAS NOT MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE.

BUT DO YOU ALL EMBRACE THAT AS PART OF A GREATER MOMNIBUS BILL?

>> WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT IS YOU WILL SEE PORTIONS OF THAT MOVING FROM THE SENATE AND FROM THE HOUSE AS WELL.

NOT ALL OF IT.

ALL IN ONE GREAT BIG BOOM BUT WE ARE SEE IT IS A STRATEGIC APPROACH AS TO ONE GREAT BIG BILL.

>> Renee: SB34.

>> AND IT'S NOT NICE FOR ONE CHAMBER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER CHAMBER CAN DO.

>> UP TO THE FINAL HOURS OF LEGISLATION.

I WANTED TO GO BACK ON THE SEX EDUCATION.

I LOOKED AT BECAUSE ATTACHED TO THE LAW, YOU SEE ALL THE STANDARDS NOW IN PLACE THAT ARE CURRENTLY FOR SEX EDUCATION.

SO THE BABY OLIVIA ACT IS AN AUGMENTATION TO THAT.

WE USED TO HAVE SEX HUMAN DEVELOPMENT SEX EDUCATION.

SOMEHOW THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN WEEDED OUT.

THE SCHOOLS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THEY WOULD USE A SIMULATOR DOLL OR HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE HOME AN EGG TO TALK ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF REPERCUSSIONS OF BEING SEXUAL ACTIVE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY USED TO CARRYING AN EGG IN THE BASKET SO THEY UNDERSTAND HOW FRAGILE LIFE IS IN PROGRAMS FOR STUDENTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, OUR SEXUAL ACTIVITY HAS REPERCUSSIONS AND IT COULD BE A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE THAT IT WILL IMPACT YOUR LIFE INTO THE FUTURE OR IT CAN BE THE CREATION OF A LIFE.

BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW THAT LIFE COMES INTO BEING.

AND THIS IS I CALL IT IT AUGUST MEANTS THE SEX EDUCATION.

>> IT MAKES IT WHERE IT'S MORE INCLUSIVE AND YOU KNOW, MAKES SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COVERED AND IT ACTUALLY ADDS THE OTHER PIECE THAT HASN'T BEEN COMMUNICATED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS ACCURATE.

WE WORK WITH A LOT OF HEALTH EDUCATORS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH WHO DO TEACH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THEIR COMPONENTS OF SEX EDUCATION.

WHAT IS NOT BEST PRACTICES ARE THE VIDEOS.

WE KNOW THAT FROM NATIONAL SEX EDUCATION STANDARDS.

THE NATIONAL SEX EDUCATION CENTERS DO NOT RECOMMEND VIEWING AN ULTRASOUND VIDEO FOR SEX EDUCATION AND NOT CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE IN THE SEX EDUCATION FIELD.

THESE VIDEOS ARE FOR ONE PURPOSE.

PROPAGANDA.

>> TO COMMUNICATE THERE IS A BABY IN THE WOMB.

>> THERE IS NO -- NO.

LET ME FINISH.

LET ME FINISH.

WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING WHERE PREGNANCY LEADS HOW IT DEVELOPS THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING HOW YOUR BODY WORKS.

UNDERSTANDING HOW YOUR BODY WORKS THE FERTILIZATION PROCESS, WHERE THE STAININGS OF THE FETUS ARE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT YOU LEARN IN SEX EDUCATION IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY TIME STUDENTS HAVE TO LEARN THOSE SKILLS.

ONCE THEY LEAVE SCHOOL THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN OPTION WHERE THEY HAVE A TRUSTED TEACHER TO LEARN FROM.

BUT VIDEOS LIKE THIS WITH WRONG INFORMATION IS SETTING -- BREAKING THAT TRUST WITH THE TEACHER AND THE STUDENT.

IT'S BREAKING THE TRUST.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- TRAVESTIES THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS IF NOT LONGER WE'VE REFERRED TO THE BABY AS THE FETUS.

AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT FETUS MEANS LATIN FOR HUMAN BABY.

>> I'VE LOOKED THAT UP AND IT DOESN'T.

I CAN LOOK IT UP AGAIN.

>> IT DOES, AS A MATTER OF FACT IT DOES.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THAT IS A BABY IN THE WOMB AND FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT SEX ACTUALLY HAS CONSEQUENCES AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE ALWAYS POSITIVE.

LIFE IS NEVER SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A NEGATIVE THING.

IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD.

IT IS A GIFT FROM THE ACT OF NATURE THAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR ACTUALLY HAVING SEX.

>> SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

REP TATE I BELIEVE FULLY THAT YOU HAVE THE YOU CAN MAKE THOSE CHOICES FOR YOURSELF AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND ABILITY AS AN AMERICAN TO MAKE ANY CHOICES FOR YOURSELF FOR YOUR FAMILY.

I THINK I CAN MAKE THOSE CHOICES FOR MINE.

>> I CAN'T IMAGINE.

I MEAN I WAS RAISED POOR, TOO.

ALL OF US PROBABLY WERE.

WE WERE ALL POOR AND NOBODY KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE ALL WERE, RIGHT?

BUT I KNTS' -- I WILL SAY AGAIN, THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT OCCURS THAT SHOULD RESULT IN THE DEATH OF AN INNOCENT CHILD.

>> REP, TAKE THESE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE HAPPENING ALL OVER KENTUCKY AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS SO THEY ARE NOT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE STARTED OUT WITH.

AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

LOOK AT THE MOMNIBUS BILL.

AND THE SENATE BILL.

>> INCREDIBLE LEGISLATION.

>> SEVERAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION WE PRETEND LIKE WE JUST STARTED AS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO START PROTECTING LIFE NOW THAT ROE VS. WADE HAS BEEN OVERTURNED.

WE'VE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND BEFORE WE BECAME THE MAJORITY THE REPUBLICANS BECAME THE MAJORITY IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY KENTUCKIANS HAVE BEEN PROTECTING WOMEN AND CHILDREN JUST WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

>> I'M WORKING ON MATERNAL HEALTH LEGISLATION SINCE 2019 AND I'M EXCITED NOW THIS IS A PRIORITY BUT I'M TELLING YOU IT HAS BEEN AN UPHILL BATTLE UP UNTIL NOW.

>> AND THIS IS WHENEVER YOU WERE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY YOU PASSED THE LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRED THE ORGANIZATION OR THE GROUP TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT MATERNAL MORTALITY.

>> YES.

AND WE HAD THE HEALTHY BABY CAUCUS WHEN SENATOR DIN TON WAS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND WE WORKED ON THAT.

THESE ISSUES THAT PLAGUED THE COMMONWEALTH ALONG WITH MANY HEALTH DISPARITIES AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT CARDIAC DIABETES AND THOSE THINGS WE CONTINUE TO PUNCH AWAY AT AND WORK ON.

AND AT THE SAME TIME AND WHERE WE HAVE A COMMONALITY WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THOSE THAT RATIONALE WOULD BE RATIONALE TO TERMINATE THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING OF A CHILD.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT A BILL THAT REPRESENTATIVE TATE IS FILED AND NEAR, BECAUSE WE ALSO TALK ABOUT EXCEPTIONS ALL THE TIME AND THAT IS PERRY NATAL HOSPICE OR PALLIATIVE CARE THAT DISCUSSION STARTED IN 2017 AND MAKE IT INTO A RESOLUTION.

AND SO WHEN SHE START -- >> Renee: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> PALLIATIVE CARE IS A CHILD YOU WILL HEAR THE OTHER SIDE WE NEED AN AEXCEPTION FOR ABORTION THAT A CHILD WILL DIE BEFORE OR SHORTLY AFTERBIRTH.

AND WORK HIGH-RISK OB.

THESE ISSUES OCCUR.

I CAN REMEMBER THERE WAS A KIND LADY FOR THE HOSPITAL THAT MADE THESE LITTLE SKULL CAPS AFTER THAT CHILD WAS BORN THE MOTHER WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE NO MATTER THAT ANOMALY, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T SAY GOOD-BYE UNTIL YOU'VE SAID HELLO.

AND IT ALLOWS FOR THE GRIEVING PROCESS.

SOME OF THE PUSHBACK FROM THE PRO ABORTION SIDE WANTS TO HAVE EXCEPTIONS FOR FETAL ANOMALIES THE CHILDREN THAT WILL NOT LIVE THEY HAVE A DIAGNOSIS THAT THEY WILL DIE SHORTLY AFTERBIRTH OR AT BIRTH OR SHORTLY BEFORE.

THE RESPONSE IS PERRY NATAL HOSPICE.

THERE ARE HOSPICES THAT HAVE THOSE SERVICES ONE IS IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU TERMINATE THAT LIFE BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERFECT OR IT WON'T LIVE LONG.

BUT IT WRAPS THEIR ARMS AROUND THAT BIRTH MOM OR BIRTH DAD OR FAMILY HOWEVER THAT IS.

AND MAKES THAT JOURNEY AND MAKES THAT DELIVERY PLAN AND ALONG WITH THAT -- WE DON'T CALL IT A BIRTH PLAN BUT A DELIVERY PLAN AND WRAPPED IN THAT IS THE GRIEVING PROCESS THAT COMES ALONG WITH A CHILD OF FEAL DEMISE AND HAVING LOST A CHILD I UNDERSTAND IT.

TAKING A CHILD FROM THE MORGUE AND BROUGHT IT TO THE MOM AND PUT A ROCKER IN THE CHAPEL OF A HOSPITAL AND VIOLATED ALL THE HOSPITAL RULES AT THE TIME AS A YOUNG NURSE YOU CAN IMAGINE BECAUSE ALL THAT MOM NEEDED TO DO WAS TO HOLD THE CHILD FOR A FEW MINUTES.

THAT IS WHY YOUR BILL.

>> Renee: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT IDEA?

>> I GOT THIS ONE.

SO PERRY NATAL PALLIATIVE CARE IS CURRENTLY STANDARD OF CARE NOW, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> AND THIS IS COVERED BY INSURANCE ALREADY.

>> YES.

>> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE SAYING.

MOST OF THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING.

AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BILL I AGREE WITH BIRTH PLANS AND I AGREE WITH COMPREHENSIVE CARE BUT THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY HAPPENING.

WHAT I DON'T AGREE WITH IS THAT WHATEVER THE FAMILY WHATEVER CHOICES THAT THE FAMILY ARE MAKING, THAT THEY HAVE THOSE DECISIONS.

BIRTH PLANS NEED ALL OPTIONS INCLUDING ACCESS TO AN ABORTION.

>> BUT SOMETIME IT IS DOESN'T HAPPEN.

LIKE THE MOM HAS SAID SHE WAS A PATIENT AT ONE OF THE KENTUCKY HOSPITALS AND SHE TRAVELED OUT OF STATE IN HER PAIN BECAUSE SHE SAID I HAVE NOTHING.

BECAUSE SHE WAS OVER20 SOME ODD WEEKS PREGNANT AND HAD TO GO OUT OF STATE AND DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT PROCEDURE WAS DONE?

WHEN YOU ARE THAT FAR ALONG?

IT IS LIVE DISMEMBER MEANT.

>> YOU NEED TO USE MEDICALLY ACCURATE TERMS.

>> DISMEMBERER MEANT TYPE OF ABORTIONS.

>> THE BABY DNC.

>> I KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BILL IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN CRISIS, AND THEY HAVE A PREGNANCY THEY NEED -- >> FULL SPECTRUM OF CARE.

>> AND THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS SUPPORT PERRY NATAL PALLIATIVE CARE ABORTION IS PART OF THAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THAT OUT, YOU ARE SHAMING AND COERCING THE PATIENTS THAT WANT THE ABORTION CARE.

AND SO THAT IS A KEY MOMENT THAT LIKE GETS TAKEN AWAY AND ANOTHER CHOICE THAT SOME PATIENTS ARE GOING TO WANT THOSE WHO DON'T WANT IT, HAVE THE PALLIATIVE OPTION AND THEY NEED THAT AND WE'RE NOT AGAINST THAT.

BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE PATIENTS AND THE PARENTS WHO WANT ABORTION ACCESS AND THIS TIME OF CRISIS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEIR CARE TEAM AND KNOW THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTED IN THAT MOMENT.

>> Renee: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

AND WE THANK YOU THIS IS A HARD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

>> AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL SHOWED UP FOR IT.

AND I HOPE OUR VIEWERS DO AS WELL.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE ON "KENTUCKY TONIGHT".

WE APPRECIATE YOU WATCHING OUR PROGRAM NOW.

AND WE HOPE YOU WILL STICK AROUND BECAUSE IN JUST A FEW SHORT MINUTES WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT CALLED SMART START AND IT'S ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT AND BRAIN DEVELOPMENT FOR A CHILD'S SUCCESSFUL ACADEMIC CAREER.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT AND COME BACK TOMORROW NIGHT AT 6:30 EASTERN FOR KENTUCKY EDITION WHERE WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CHILDCARE BILL BEFORE THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY HEARD IN COMMITTEE TOMORROW.

WE'LL BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU TOMORROW NIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING I'M RENEE SHAW.

TAKE REALLY GOOD CARE AND I'LL SEE YOU SOON.