>> ABORTION RIGHTS OHIO ARE RESTORED, AT LEAST FOR NOW.

>> UP UNTIL 20 THE RECENT PREGNANCY, ABORTION IS AGAIN LEGAL IN OHIO, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.

THIS THANKS TO A RULING FROM A HAMILTON JUDGE.

>>> ABORTION FLIGHTS OHIO ARE RESTORED, AT LEAST FOR NOW.

>>> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

UP UNTIL 20 WEEKS OF PREGNANCY, ABORTION IS AGAIN LEGAL IN OHIO, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY.

THIS THANKS TO A RULING FROM A HAMILTON COUNTY JUDGE.

COMMON PLEAS COURT JUDGE SAID THE OHIO CONSTITUTION PROTECTS AN OHIOANS RIGHT TO ABORTION.

THAT'S AS EARLY AS 6 WEEKS INTO A PREGNANCY.

JUDGE JENKINS WROTE NO GREAT STRETCH IS REQUIRED TO KNOW THERE IS FREEDOM OF CHOICE IN HEALTH CARE DECISION MAKING.

THE RULING ALLOWS ABORTION CLINICS IN OHIO TO PERFORM ABORTIONS FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR SO.

ANNA SSTAVER, WHAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS?

>> A CLINIC WAS GOING TO CLOSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR FOLKS AT HOME REMEMBER, THE CASE WITH THE OHIO SUPREME COURT A WEEK AGO, THEY TOOK IT OUT OF THAT COURT AND BROUGHT IT TO THE HAMILTON COUNTY JUDGE BECAUSE THEY WERE WAITING ON THE COURT AND THEY FELT LIKE TIME WAS RUNNING OUT.

THEY MOVED IT TO HAMILTON COUNTY.

THEY JUDGE SHOPPED.

THEY WENT FOR A JUDGE THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE MORE OPEN.

FOR NOW THE MED CLINIC IS GOING TO STAY OPEN.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD SAYS THEY ARE GEARING BACK UP TO OFFER ABORTION UP UNTIL ABOUT 20 WEEKS.

IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THIS JUDGE AT THE END OF THE 14 DAYS COULD MAKE THIS A PERMANENT RULING WHILE THIS CASE WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

>> LAWMAKERS, OPPONENTS OF ABORTION CRITICIZE THE RULING.

>> THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE VERY CONFIDENT THEY'RE GOING TO PREVAIL.

THIS IS JUST THE START OF THE PROCESS.

I MEAN, WHICHEVER SIDE LOSES IS GOING TO APPEAL.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO APPEALS COURT.

THEY'RE GOING TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, THEY SAID THAT ABORTION WILL BE -- OHIO WILL BE ABORTION FREE IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND THAT REALLY TELEGRAPHS THE IDEA THAT STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD AND PASS A TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION THOUGH RIGHT NOW 90% OF ABORTIONS ARE BANNED ESSENTIALLY.

>> DOES THIS RULING HOLD?

>> THE INTERESTING SING THIS THEY FIRST FILED SEVERAL MONTHS BACK IN THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

THE OHIO SUPREME COURT DID NOTHING BECAUSE IT WAS IMPROPERLY FILED AT THE SUPREME COURT LEVEL.

YOU HAVE TO START AT THE TRIAL COURT.

THEY DID, AS ANNA NOTED, JUDGE SHOPPED.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF COMMON PLEAS COURT JUDGES THERE AND THEY THOUGHT THAT VENUE WOULD GIVE THEM A WIN.

IT'S ONLY A TRO WHICH IS TEMPORARY.

IT WILL GO TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

THIS IS NOT THE BEST USE OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM BUT AS I SAID, A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN THIS HAPPENED THIS IS GOING TO BE A FULL EMPLOYMENT ACT FOR CERTAIN ATTORNEYS AND WE'RE SEEING IT.

>> JUDGE SHOPPING LOOKING FOR FRIENDLY COURTS IS NOT UNCOMMON.

WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME AT FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL, BUT THE BASIS THE JUDGES ARE HANGING ON, THE AMENDMENT PASSED.

THIS WAS MEANT TO UNDERMINE OBAMACARE.

IT WENT TO THE BALLOT, WAS PASSED.

IT SAID NO FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW OR RULE SHALL PROHIBIT THE PURCHASE OR SALE OF HEALTH CARE OR HEALTH INSURANCE.

IS THAT ENOUGH, DEREK, TO MAKE ABORTION PROCEDURES LEGAL UP IN OHIO.

>> AT LEAST NOW IT IS.

THIS IS GOING TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

IT WILL BE APPEALED SEVERAL TIMES.

IT WILL END UP BACK IN THE STATE'S HIGHEST COURT.

>> THE ADVOCATES FOR THE ABORTION PROVIDER SAID THAT LANGUAGE THERE MAKES THE PROTECTION FOR THE ABORTION ACT BROADER UNDER OHIO CONSTITUTION THAN UNDER THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.

IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED AS AN ANTIAFFORDABLE CARE ACT MEASURE.

WHEN I TALKED TO SOMEONE FROM THE ACLU EARLIER TODAY SHE SAID THE JUDGE HAS ALREADY INDICATED WITH THE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THIS BAN COULD BE -- A STAY COULD BE ISSUED.

AND SO I THINK WATCHING WHAT HAPPENS HERE, THE STATUS HEARING ON THIS ON MONDAY AND I SAY THERE WAS A COMMENT THE JUDGE ALSO MADE WHERE HE SUGGESTED THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YO SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOR COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE 10-YEAR-OLD RAPE VICTIM WHO HAD TO GO TO INDIANA FOR AN ABORTION.

THAT CERTAINLY SUGGESTS THE JUDGE WAS AT LEAST INTERESTED IN WHAT THE ABORTION WRITERS HAD TO SAY.

>> TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY PICKED THE JUDGE VERY CAREFULLY.

SAID THEY'D HAVE SOMEBODY FAVORABLE TO THEM.

ULTIMATELY THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

>> THE JUDGE SAYS BECAUSE THE HEARTBEAT LAW WAS PASSED, ROE WAS IN EFFECT, NOT DOBBS.

ABORTION WAS NOT LEGAL WHEN THIS LAW PASSED WHICH LEADS TO THE QUESTION, NOW THAT DOBBS HAS REVERSED ROE, IF YOU WERE TO PASS A NEW LAW, WILL THE CONSTITUTION UPHOLD?

>> THAT'S A QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY WITH FAR MORE EDUCATION THAN ME PERHAPS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE AS KAREN SAID, IT WAS A PERIOD AFTER THE ELECTION BUT BEFORE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS OVER, IT'S ALMOST A GUARANTEE THAT WE'LL SEE LEGISLATIVE TO BAN ALMOST ALL ABORTION HERE IN OHIO.

WHAT I WOULD ASSUME IF THEY'RE PARTIALLY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS LEGAL CHALLENGE, THAT THE SAME TYPE OF LEGAL CHALLENGE WILL BE ADDED ONTO THE NEW LAW AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

YOU KNEE, WE DO HAVE A STATE SUPREME COURT RACE AND ULTIMATELY WHO WINS THOSE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER MAY DETERMINE WHAT COURT.

>> THEY ARGUE THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE STATE FROM REGULATING HEALTH CARE AS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.

WE CANNOT PURCHASE HEALTH CARE THAT IS ILLEGAL.

WE CANNOT GET A LABOTT TOW MY.

A DOCTOR CANNOT PERFORM BLOOD LETTING ANYMORE.

WHY SHOULD THIS BE ANY DIFFERENT IF THE DOBBS DECISION IS THE RULE OF LAW NOW?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE SURFACE, YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT.

IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET REVERSED AND IT'S GOING TO GET APPEALED AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE NUANCES WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT IS SO -- THAT'S SO NEAR AND DEAR TO WOMEN.

>> YES.

>> AND SO POTENTIALLY A VALID ISSUE COULD COME FORWARD.

THERE ARE GROUPS THAT ARE SAYING THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING ON THE BALLOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GUARANTEE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ACCESS, BIRTH CONTROL, ABORTION, ALL OF THAT.

>> THAT'S WHETHER IT'S TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS, TEN YEARS.

THE "USA TODAY" SHOWS OHIO INSIDE WITH THE JUDGE.

68% SAY THEY OPPOSE THE SO-CALLED HEARTBEAT LAW, 26% SAY THEY SUPPORT IT.

KAREN, THAT HAS TO GIVE SUPPORT TO THE ABORTION RIGHTS PEOPLE IF IT GOES TO THE BALLOT.

>> LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO KANSAS.

THAT WAS A RED STATE.

WHEN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO VOTERS THERE, THEY OVERWHELMINGLY SAID ABORTION RIGHTS ACCESS SHOULD BE PRESERVED.

I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS AMENDMENT, BECAUSE IT TAKES SO MUCH TIME AND SO MUCH MONEY TO PUT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BEFORE VOTERS, THEY WANT TO BE PRETTY SURE THEY CAN SUCCEED.

>> LET'S GET TO THE NEXT TOPIC.

YOU WOULD THINK THE POLL NUMBERS WOULD BE GOOD AS NAN WHALEY WORKS AGAINST DeWINE.

DeWINE HAS 54% IN THE LATEST INDEPENDENT POLL TO NAN WHALEY'S 69.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF NAN WHALEY CAN CLOSE THAT GAP WITHIN THE TIME WE HAVE UP UNTIL ELECTION DAY, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT TIM RYAN IS RUNNING A STELLAR CAMPAIGN AND I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE STATE OF OHIO, I THINK THERE'S BEEN AN UPTICK IN VOTER REGISTRATION.

I THINK THAT COULD HELP HER CAMPAIGN IN THE LONG RUN.

>> NAN WHALEY HAS OPENINGS.

THE POLL SHOWS 68% OPPOSE THE HEARTBEAT LAW WHICH WE JUST SHOWED.

68% SURVEYED SAY THE STATE IS CORRUPT EXTREMELY, VERY OR SOMEWHAT.

68% SAY THE ECONOMY IS EITHER POOR OR FAIR.

IN A NORMAL YEAR THE INCUMBENT MIGHT BE IN TROUBLE IF THAT WAS THE CASE.

THE PROBLEM IS NAN WHALEY DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND SHE'S BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE ON WHICH ISSUE SHE'S GOING TO FOCUS ON.

SHE'S JUST NOT KNOWN STATEWIDE AND MIKE DeWINE WHEN THE SUCCESS OF INTEL, EVEN JOE BIDEN CAME HERE, THAT CELEBRATION OF THE JOBS AND THE FUTURE FOR THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND TODAY THE EMERSON POLL CONNECTED TO THE HILL WITH TWICE THE SAMPLE SIZE AND TAKING MORE CURRENTLY SHOWED DeWINE OUT TO A 16.7 LEAD.

I THINK LATER POLLING IS GOING TO SHOW THAT LEAD WIDENING AND WIDENING BECAUSE SHE'S JUST NOT ON TV AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE EFFECTIVE MESSAGES.

>> THAT'S WHAT THIS POLL SHOWED, ANNA STAVER, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS.

>> ONE SET OF RESPONDENTS DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS.

25% DIDN'T HAVE AN OPINION EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD HEARD OF HER.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF THE RESPONDENTS IN THE "USA TODAY" POLL.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS OR WE DON'T HAVE AN OPINION IF WE DO.

THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO OVERCOME.

YOU LOOK AT NAME ID FOR GOVERNOR DeWINE.

IT WAS ZERO.

LIKE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS.

THAT MAY BE FROM THE PANDEMIC, PRESS CONFERENCES.

>> BEING IN OFFICE.

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN FOR YOUNGER VOTERS, THEY GOT TO KNOW HIM DURING THE PANDEMIC AND THE PRESS CONFERENCES.

THAT REALLY HELPED.

I KNOW WHALEY HAS GONE OFF WITH HER FIRST AD.

I SAW IT ON TELEVISION YESTERDAY MORNING.

I HAVEN'T SEEN HER UP.

IF HALF THE VOTERS DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE OPENING FOR HER, THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE.

YOU MENTIONED THE CORRUPTION ISSUE.

IN THIS POLL I THINK CORRUPTION WAS LISTED AS MOST IMPORTANT BY VOTERS, 4%, WHICH IS REALLY LOW.

ABORTION WAS 12 OR 13%.

THOSE ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR VOTERS IN THE POLL BUT THEY COULD STILL BE IMPORTANT ISSUES.

THEY MAY NOT BE RANKED THAT HIGHLY.

>> IN THE MORE CURRENT EMERSON POLE IT HAD INTERESTING DETAILS.

34% WERE GOING FOR DeWINE AND AMONG 35% OF THOSE AGED 35 PLUS THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE, DeWINE WAS UP BY 24 POINTS SO SHE'S PARTLY LOOKING MAYBE CLOSE BUT NOT THAT CLOSE ON PAPER, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT REALLY WHO'S LIKELY TO VOTE, THE MARGIN WIDENS OUT.

>> BOTTOM LINE, IT'S HARD TO BEAT AN INCUMBENT, INCUMBENT WITH A HUGE NAME ID.

BUILT UP GOODWILL FROM COVID.

THIS WAS A TOUGH FIGHT FROM THE GET-GO.

>> IT'S A TOUGH FIGHT WHEN YOU FIGHT AN INCUMBENT.

HOWEVER, A LOT OF FOLKS IN GOVERNOR DeWINE'S OWN PARTY ARE NOT REALLY KEEN ON HIM RIGHT NOW.

THERE MAY BE SOME THAT SIT OUT THIS RACE, TOO.

WE'VE STILL GOT -- WE'VE STILL GOT SOME TIME LEFT BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

>> IT'S NOT OVER.

THE RACE FOR U.S. SENATE IS A MUCH DIFFERENT ONE THAN THE ONE FOR GOVERNOR AS YOU MIGHT SUSPECT FROM THE NONSTOP TV ADS ON TELEVISION.

THE RACE IS VERY TIGHT.

THIS WEEK'S POLL SHOWS JIM RYAN WITH A ONE POINT LEAD OVER J.D.

VANCE WHICH MEANS THE RACE IS TIED BASICALLY AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS.

RYAN KINS BARNSTORMING.

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP JOINS J.D.

VANCE FOR A WEEKEND RALLY IN YOUNGSTOWN.

VANCE HAS A THREE-POINT LEAD.

THIS RACE IS STILL BASICALLY A TOSSUP.

>> IT'S STILL CLOSE BUT THE MARGIN IS SHIFTING BECAUSE, REMEMBER, RYAN HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF $16 MILLION SPENT DURING THE SUMMER WHEN THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

NOW THAT VANCE IS GETTING ON TV YOU CAN SEE THE SHIFT AND THE CHANGE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER THINGS IN BOTH THE SUSSEX POLL AND EMERSON POLL, THE ISSUES OF INFLATION, THE ECONOMY, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE TURNING PEOPLE.

JIM CARVELL SAID, IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.

IN THE LAST WEEK WALL STREET HAD ITS WORST DAY IN TWO FULL YEARS.

THE ECONOMY IS NOT GOING AWAY.

>> DOESN'T HELP YOU.

>> NO.

RYAN'S UNFAVORABILITY RATING IS 27%.

VANCE IS AT 43%.

VANCE WAS NAILED DURING THE PRIMARY WITH NEGATIVE AD AFTER NEGATIVE AD.

TIM RYAN WITH NEGATIVE AD AFTER NEGATIVE AD.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE BEST WAY TO AVOID THE TV ADS IS DON'T WATCH TELEVISION.

>> EXACTLY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE TIM RYAN'S ADS, HE'S COURTING VOTERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMIES.

PEOPLE WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY WATCHING THE WALL STREET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN WALL STREET.

HE'S THROWING FOOTBALLS AT THE TV.

HE NEVER IDENTIFIES AS A DEMOCRAT.

IT'S AN INTERESTING STRATEGY.

IT FEELS VERY MUCH A PLAY IF NOT THE ENTIRE PLAYBOOK OF SHERROD BROWN.

VANCE HAS GOTTEN SOME WELL-KNOWN AND PRETTY POSITIVE EXPOSURE, AT LEAST AMONG REPUBLICANS.

HE'S GOT THE RALLY THIS WEEKEND WITH DONALD TRUMP WHERE THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER OHIO REPUBLICAN OFFICE HOLDERS THERE.

I THINK THIS RACE IS GOING TO BE VERY VOLATILE WHEN IT COMES TO POLLING BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MONEY COMING IN FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES AND THOSE ADS ARE GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE.

>> THE FEAR AND THE HOPE AMONGST WOULD SPEND ALL OF HIS MONEY IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN VIEWER SHIP IS LOW.

HIS SUPPORTERS HAVE A LOT OF ADS RUNNING FOR HIM.

>> YEAH.

THEY SEE A REAL OPPORTUNITY.

THE U.S. SENATE IS 50-50.

EVERY SEAT IS GOING TO COUNT LIKE THE SEE THE IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA.

WHAT TIM RYAN WAS TRYING TO DO DURING THE SUMMER WAS CONVINCE VOTERS HE WAS A VIABLE GET FOR THE FALL.

HE'S DONE THAT.

HE'S SHOWN IT'S POSSIBLE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE PERHAPS MORE MONEY INVESTED, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN HIS PLAN ALL ALONG.

>> TIM RYAN, I'VE SAID THIS ON THIS PROGRAM BEFORE, HE IS THE ORIGINAL AMERICA FIRST CANDIDATE.

HE COMES FROM A REGION OF THE STATE THAT IS VERY HARD WORKING, THAT IS VERY BLUE COLLAR.

THOSE ARE HIS FOLKS SO FOR THE MERE FACT THAT J.D.

VANCE IS TRAILING IN THE POLLS, WE CALL IT A STATISTICAL HEAT BUT REALLY IT'S A VICTORY FOR DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE AN ALL RED STATE.

TIM RYAN IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT IS WINNING ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

>> DONALD TRUMP RALLYING WITH J.D.

VANCE UP IN YOUNGSTOWN COMPETING WITH THE BUCKEYE GAME, NOT THAT THAT REALLY MATTERS.

ANYWAY, DOES THAT REALLY HELP J.D.

VANCE IN THE GENERAL?

IT DEFINITELY HELPS HIM IN THE PRIMARY TO RALLY THE TRUMP VOTERS.

DOESN'T HE ALREADY HAVE THOSE FOLKS?

>> I THINK IT HELPS IN THE YOUNGSTOWN AREA BECAUSE THAT PART OF THE STATE WHERE TIM RYAN'S FROM HAS BEEN SHIFTING MORE AND MORE CONSERVATIVE, MORE AND MORE REPUBLICAN SO IT HELPS FIRE UP A LOT OF THE BASE.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE UP THERE IN THAT PART OF THE STATE THAT FEEL THE ELITES HAVE LEFT THEM BEHIND, FORGET ABOUT THEM.

ALWAYS TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE THE FORGOTTEN OHIOANS.

WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE POLLING DATA YOU CAN SEE BASED ON EDUCATIONAL LEVEL AND OTHER FACTORS THERE'S A DIVIDE OUT THERE BETWEEN THE HAVEs AND THE HAVE NOTs.

THE ELITES HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM IN OHIO.

>> THE ELITES.

THE REASON INDUSTRY LEFT IS BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ALLOWED INDUSTRY TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY.

LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT ELITES WHEN -- IN THAT PART OF THE -- OR WITH DEMOCRATS BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FIGHTING FOR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

>> PUSHED NAFTA.

>> IN OHIO A LOT OF PEOPLE UP AND DOWN THE RIVER FEEL THE ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTALISTS, DEMOCRATS SHUT DOWN THE MILLS AND MADE THINGS TOUGHER.

THERE ARE ARGUMENTS AND DEBATES.

YOU CAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT CAUSED IT.

THEY FEEL UNHAPPY AND THEY DIDN'T EMBRACE MONDALE, GORE, SOME OF THE OTHER DEMOCRATS.

>> THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO DEBATE THOUGH.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WHERE OR WHEN BUT VANCE AND DeWINE ARE GOING TO DEBATE?

>> IF I HAD TO BET, YES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO PIN DOWN WHERE OR WHEN.

A FOX NATIONAL DEBATE WHICH WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU SEE RYAN TRYING TO -- HE'S RUN ADS ON FOX, TRYING TO GET ON AS A GUEST.

IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

>> THAT WOULD BE A WIN FOR TIM RYAN IF HE'S INVITED TO FOX, WOULD IT NOT, KAREN?

>> THAT'S AN AUDIENCE HE'S TRYING TO GET.

>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, START RIGHT OVER THERE, SAM GRESHAM VERY RIGHTLY SAID, TIM RYAN HAS CONNECTED WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE WHOLE STATE.

AND IF YOU DON'T ENERGIZE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS, IT'S HARD TO WIN.

>> J.D.

VANCE HASN'T CONNECTED WITH ANYONE.

HE'S THE CARPET BAGGER CANDIDATE.

HE LIVES IN CALIFORNIA.

>> FOR MOST OUR FOCUS IS ON 2022.

FOR SOME, IT REMAINS ON 2020.

A REMINDER, PRESIDENT TRUMP EASILY WON OHIO TWO YEARS AGO.

FRANKLIN ROSE CLAIMED IT WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ELECTION IN HISTORY.

SOME REMAIN SKEPTICAL OF SOMETHING.

EVERY OHIO COUNTY HAS RECEIVED DOCUMENTS FROM THE 2020 ELECTION.

SIMILAR REQUESTS HAVE INUNDATED ELECTION OFFICIALS IN OTHER STATES, THOSE WHO FALSELY CLAIMED 2020 WAS RIGGED ARE BEHIND THOSE REQUESTS.

KAREN KASLER, WHAT IS GOING ON?

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE AND WHY DO THEY WANT INFORMATION?

>> WHEN I STARTED FOLLOWING THE STORY I HAD HEARD THERE WERE BOARDS OF ELECTION ALL AROUND THE STATE WHICH LIKE YOU SAID, OHIO WENT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE PEOPLE WHO WERE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF DOCUMENTS FROM THE 2020 ELECTION BEING DESTROYED WERE ASKING FOR THOSE DOCUMENTS IN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

WE'RE TALKING HUGE CACHES OF DOCUMENTS.

ALL OF THE BALLOTS.

ALL OF THE TAPES FROM THE VOTING MACHINES.

ALL OF THE VOTER I.D.

ENVELOPES.

FOR SMALL COUNTIES ESPECIALLY, THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.

SO I STARTED ASKING AROUND.

TALKED TO A TEA PARTY LEADER AND LONG-TIME TRUMP SUPPORTER AND ASKED, YES, MY PILLOW CEO MIKE LINDELL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS AND HAS ENCOURAGED PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SEND IN THESE REQUESTS.

THEY'RE COMING IN IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THE ADDRESS.

FRANKLIN RHODES IS GOING TO BE GIVING OHIO BOARDS OF ELECTIONS, YOU CAN FULFILL THESE AFTER THE ELECTION.

WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE 2022 ELECTIONS.

>> WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF DELAYS ASKING FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.

>> YOU'RE A FORMER ELECTIONS OFFICIAL.

>> THIS IS CRAZY BUT PART OF THE CRAZINESS GOES BACK TO 2004 WHEN DEMOCRAT ELECTION DENIERS WENT TO JUDGE MARVEL IN COLUMBUS AND GOT HIM TO RULE AND THEN THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAID YOU MUST IN ESSENCE KEEP THEM FOREVER.

>> THAT WAS A VERY CLOSE ELECTION.

175,000 VOTES SEPARATED THE WINNER AND LOSER.

>> I UNDERSTAND BUT CRAZY ON EITHER SIDE IS STILL CRAZY AND IT'S STUPID AND IT'S RIDICULOUS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ELECTION DENIERS ON BOTH SIDES.

IT'S SILLY.

YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.

>> IN THE 2004 ELECTION YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SAYING I WON WHEN ALL OF THE COURT CASES AND EVIDENCE WAS TO THE CONTRARY.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

I REMEMBER THE LAWSUIT TO THE PEOPLE CONNECTED TO JOHN KERRY.

THEY WERE FIGHTING IT OUT.

>> IT WAS STUPID.

IT WAS LIKE 135,000 VOTES.

>> IN OHIO THAT'S NOT A LOT OF VOTES.

JOHN KASICH WON BY 77,000 VOTES.

THEY DIDN'T TRY TO SAY IT THEN.

>> THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF THE BIG LIE.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE IT IS.

IT'S GOING TO COST TAXPAYERS MONEY.

WE HAVE CERTIFIED DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS THAT OVERSEE THESE ELECTIONS IN OUR STATE AND THEY BEEN DOING IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THE ONLY REASON THIS IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S BIG LIE.

>> WE HAVE BIPARTISAN, EQUAL NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

I'VE DONE RECOUNTS AND OVER HALF OF THE 88 COUNTIES IN OHIO AND THE SYSTEM'S NOT PERFECT BUT IN GENERAL UNLESS YOU GET DOWN TO 7 VOTES OR 22 VOTES, THE RESULTS ARE THE RESULTS.

>> IN GEORGIA, ALL OF THE TALK OF THE STOLEN ELECTION, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT PEOPLE SAY, LOOK, MY VOTE DOESN'T MATTER, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IN 2022?

>> I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS THE CONCERN.

THE STATE'S ELECTION.

OHIO KNOWS HOW TO RUN THINGS.

HE WANTS TO CREATE THAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE IN THE SYSTEM AND THE VOTING PROCESS BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DROP OFF THEIR BALLOT, SEND IT IN THE MAIL OR GO IN PERSON.

IT IS WORTH KEEPING IN MIND THAT LIKE I THINK IT'S UNDER 100 PEOPLE FROM 2020 HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO THE AG'S OFFICE FOR PROSECUTION AS POTENTIAL VOTER FRAUD.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN 3 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED, THAT IS' VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE.

>> THE STATE'S PUBLIC SCHOOL ASSESSMENT SYSTEM HAS MOVED FROM LETTER GRADES TO ONE THAT HAS YELP REVIEWS.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS GET STARS BETWEEN 1 AND 5 STARS RATING THEIR PERFORMANCE IN KEY CATEGORIES.

IN KEEPING WITH DECADES LONG TRENDS, SUBURBAN CENTRAL OHIO SCHOOLS DID WELL.

COLUMBUS CITY SCHOOLS DID POORLY WITH ONE AND TWO STAR RATINGS AND SOME THREE STARS.

NEW SYSTEM, CHANGE IT EVERY TEN YEARS.

THE TREND CONTINUES, URBAN SCHOOLS DO POORLY, SUBURBAN SCHOOLS DO WELL.

>> NO, IT'S NOT THE RATING SYSTEM.

YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE THAT TYPE OF DISCREPANCY.

YOU'LL HAVE FLUID AREAS THAT HAVE MOREY SOURCES AND INNER CITY DON'T HAVE MANY RESOURCES.

WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS WITH THE DURALT THAT WAS NEVER ENFORCED.

IF THAT WAS ENFORCED, MAYBE WE WOULD SEE A DIFFERENT RESULT.

YOU'LL HAVE THE DISCREPANCY OF THE HAVEs AND THE HAVE NOTs.

>> WELL, DERRICK WAS SMART ENOUGH BECAUSE HIS TWO KIDS WENT TO BALANCE ANY SCHOOLS.

THEY HAD THEM RANKED.

COLUMBUS WAS AT 575.

ONLY 32 DISTRICTS WERE LOWER OR WORSE AND THE COLUMBUS SCHOOLS, PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

THEY HAVE 1.5 TO 1.6 BILLION NOT COUNTING THE HALF BILLION DOLLARS THEY GOT IN COVID MONEY.

THEY SPEND FAR MORE.

>> WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

TIME NOW FOR OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING QUOTES.

DERRICK CLAY?

>> THE CURRENT CEO OF FIRST ENERGY JUST RESIGNED ABRUPTLY AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHY.

>> TERRY?

>> MY PREDICTION, IF YOU NOTICE I'VE GOT MY WALLET OUT HERE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ISSUE.

IN 1980 JIM RHODES SAID TO RONALD REGAN, YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON THE WALLET, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

WITH THE INFLATION NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M AFRAID IT WILL GET WORSE THAN BETTER.

>> ANNA STAVER.

>> GO BACK TO THE REPORT CARDS.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR KIDS' REPORT CARDS.

IF YOU HAVE A KID IN A CATEGORY, YOU CAN SEE IF YOUR SCHOOL IS RANKED HIGHLY, THEY MAY NOT DO WELL WITH GIFTED CHILDREN.

>> KAREN?

>> THAT'S INTERESTING YOU CAN HAVE A 5 STAR AREA AND A 1 STAR AREA.

A SPECIAL AUDIT THAT THE AUDITOR ANNOUNCED LAST YEAR ALMOST, LAST OCTOBER.

HE TELLS ME THIS WEEK THAT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT, SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

HE SAYS IT'S SHOWING UP ALREADY THAT THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND SOME THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING THAT ARE STANDING OUT TO HIM.

THIS IS BIG NEWS FOR 157,000 RETIRED TEACHERS IN OHIO.

>> AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, WE HAVE A NEW LOOK.

OUR NEW SET AND GRAPHICS MATCH OUR BRAND-NEW HOME FOR WOSU.

MANY THANKS TO THOSE WHO MADE THIS POSSIBLE.

RYAN AILLS.

DIANA BERGEMANN.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS TERRIFIC SET.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IN PERSON.

COMING SOON WE'RE HOSTING A LIVE SPECIAL PRODUCTION OF "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" AT OUR NEW HEADQUARTERS ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 14th.

JOIN ME AND OUR PANEL AS WE DISCUSS THE HOME STRETCH OF THE 2022 CAMPAIGN AND ALL THAT IT MIGHT MEAN FOR OHIO AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY ALL IN FRONT OF A LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE.

AFTER OUR SESSION ENJOY A Q&A SESSION WITH ME AND THE PANEL.

IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND VISIT WOSU.ORG/EVENTS TO PURCHASE TICKETS.

CHECK US OUT ONLINE AND CONTINUE ON FACEBOOK AND YOU CAN WATCH IT ON DEMAND AT WOSU.ORG AND THROUGH THE PBS VIDEO APP.

FOR OUR CREW, I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.

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