>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

THE IMPACT OF REINSTAITHE THE ABORTION BAN ON HEALTH CARE.

ALSO TONIGHT.

ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE ARIZONA RELOCATING OCCUPANT OF STATE AND THE REMANIPULATES OF THE OLDEST HUMAN ANCESTORS EVER DISCOVERED.

THOSE STORIES AND NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON I'M TED SIMONSFUL TESTIMONY CONTINUED IN THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL UPON AGAINST TRUMP.

JURY HEARD FROM THE NATIONAL INQUIRER SAID HE WORKED INFLUENCE THE 2016 ELECTION ON TRUMP'S BEHALF INCLUDING ENSURE STORERS OUT OF WEDLOCK CHILD AND AN AFFAIR WITH A PLAYBOY MODEL WERE NOT PUBLISHED AND THE ADULT PORN STAR IS KEY.

FALSIFIED BUSINESS RECORDS TO KEEP PAYMENTS SECRETS.

JUDGE REGARDED THE GAG ORDER THAT TRUMP IGNORRED.

JUDGE HEARD ARGUMENTS WHETHER TRUMP SHOULD BE HELD IN CONAT THE PRESENT TIME.

CITES POSTS AND TRUMP ATTACKED THE JURY AND KEY WITNESSES IN THE CASE.

PROSECUTORSMENT TRUMP FINED A THOUSAND PER AND THE JUDGE HAS YET TO ISSUE A DECISION.

>> NO WORD IF PROSECUTORS WILL RETRY GEORGE KELLY CHARGED WITH THE SHOOTING DEATH OF A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT A YEAR AGO JURY ANNOUNCED IT WAS DEADLOCK AND THE JUDGE DECLARED A MISTRIAL.

A TRIAL IS SET FOR NEXT WEEK IT IS ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL ANNOUNCE WHETHER OR NOT TELL RETRY THE CASE.

>> ARIZONA CONTINUES TO COME TO TERMS WITH THE STATE SUPREME COURT DECISION TO UPHOLD A BAN ON ABORTION.

DATES BACK TO 1864.

AMONG THE QUESTIONS HOW WILL THE RULING IMPACT ACCESS TO EQUAL HEALTH CARE.

JOINING US NOW FROM THE COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS A PLEASURE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU >> OKAY, IS THAT DECISION BY THE SUPREME COURT IS THIS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE >> IT IS ABSOLUTELY A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AND ACCESS TO CARE ISSUE.

HEALTH CARE DELIVERY ISSUE.

THIS RULING THAT HAS BEEN UPHELD FROM A LAW FROM 1864.

1864 WE PRACTICED MEDICINE DIFFERENTLY.

WHO DELIVERED BABIES WAS DIFFERENT AND INVOLVED IN WOMEN'S HEALTH CARE WAS DIFFERENT WHEN WE KNOW FROM THAT LAW IS HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS ANYBODY THAT CAN AID A WOMAN IN RECEIVING AN ABORTION CAN BE CRIMINALIZED.

WHAT WE HAVE MOU IS A CULTURE OF FEAR AND IT IS IMPACTING ACCESS TO CARE FOR WOMEN >> IMPACT ON THOSE WHO NEED AN ABORTION TO SAVE THEIR LIVES.

>> SO.

IMPACT ON A WIDE VARIETY OF WOMENFUL YES, IF YOU NEED AN ABORTION TO SAVE YOUR LIFE THE RULING SAY ITS IS OKAY TO RECEIVE AN ABORTION IF THE LIFE OF THE WOMAN IS IN DANGER WHAT WE KNOW FROM OTHER STATES THAT HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED IN A VERY FAIR OR CONSISTENT WAIT A MINUTE >> THERE ARE LOTS OF MEDICAL SITUATIONS WHICH AN ABORTION MIGHT BE NECESSARY.

THERE HAS BEEN CONFUSION IN OTHER STATES.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR DOCTORS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LINE IS.

>> YES.

AND WE ARE SEEING AN IMPACT ON EXACTLY THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.

PHYSICIANS.

RIGHT.

A HUGE GROUP ON MEDICAL STUDENTS INTERESTED IN PRACTICING IN STATES WITH THE MOST RESTRICTED HEALTH CARE WITH ABORTION LAWS.

SEEING AN IMPACT ON FOLKS THAT WANT TO GO IN GIEN PSYCHOLOGY TRAINING.

MOST WOMEN'S HEALTH FOCUSED.

IMPACT ON ABMENTS TO STAY IN THE STATES WITH THE RESTRICTIVE TRAINING.

THIS WILL IMPACT ACCESS TO CARE FOR WOMEN AND WOMEN IN RURAL AREAS AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THE MOST >> MATERNAL MORTALITY THE ISSUES ARE THERE ALREADY.

>> HANDLED PERCENT N. UNITED STATES WE HAVE THE WORSE RATE OF MATERNAL MORTALITY IN THE WORLD.

AND WHAT WE SUDDEN THIS BLACK WOMEN AND NATIVE WOMEN THE HIGHEST RATES.

2-3 TIMES THE RATE OF WHITE COUNTERPARTS SOME GROUPS 5 TIMES.

WHAT WE WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THATMENT TO ENTER WOMEN'S HEALTH CARE AND CONTINUE PRACTICING WOMEN'S HEALTH CARE ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS AND UNDER SERVED AREAS WE'LL WORSEN MATERNITY CARE >> WHAT CALIFORNIA <.>S TO DO AS FAR AS LAW AND ASSISTING THOSE IN ARIZONA WHO WANT ABORTION SERVICE WHAT IS DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> THE UPON END OF THE DAY IT IS A BENEFIT THAT ARIZONA EXISTS IN A PLACE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITY IN NEAR BY STATES THAT OVER SIMPLE FIES THE ISSUE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUTET GOING TO OTHER STATES AND TALKING ABOUT THE COST TEMPERATURE TAKING TIME OFF WORK.

CHILDCARE, POSSIBLE TRANSPORTATION, HOTEL.

INSURANCE COVERAGE.

ALL OF THESE THINGS.

IT IS WHEN IT IS SIMPLIFY IN THE A CONVERSATION YOU CAN JUST GO TO A NEIGHBORING STATE OR YOU CAN GET SERVICE FROM NEIGHBORING STATES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT LAW ITS IS COMPLICATED AGAIN ESPECIALLY FOR VULNERABLE WOMEN >> AND THOSE RURAL PATIENTS AND THOSE OF COLOR?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WHO ALREADY HAVE RESTRICTED ACCESS THROUGH ABORTION AND THE CONVERSATION I THINK ENDS UP BEING FOCUSSED ON ABORTION.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VARIETY OF SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE PAP SMEARS.

GYNECOLOGY CONSCIENCE.

HIGH RISK PREGNANCY.

PREGNANCY.

DELIVERING BABIES.

OF SIEH DELIVEREF BABIES.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WIDE VARIETY OF SERVICE IMPACTED NOT JUST ABORTION WHEN WE DISCOURAGE PHYSICIANS, NURSES, PHARMACISTS FROM PRACTICING IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

>> AND FROM TRAINING AND GRADUATING IN THE STATE.

THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE AS SXUSHGS KNOW STUDENTS WHEN FROM WILL THEY COME FROM THE PLACES AND LOOK FOR IT HERE IF THE LAW HOLDSUM.

>> IT IS A CRITICAL CONVERSATION.

WE THEREIN IS A SURVEY OF THIRD AND FOURTH YEAR MEDICAL STUDENTS AND 60% NOT INTERESTED IN TRAIN NOTHING A STATE WITH RESTRICTIVE ABORTION LAWS.

AN 11% DECREASE IN FOLKS GOING TO OB WITH THE STRICT ABORTION LAW.

WE HAVE SEEN IMPACT OF SOME OF THIS.

IMPACT ENERGY STATES LIKE IN TEXAS.

LOUISIANA, OKLAHOMA AND WE ARE SURE TO SEE IT IN ARIZONA.

>> REGARDING MEDICAL ABORTION, THE MEDICATION FACTOR.

HOW DOES THIS GO IN THIS?

>> MEDICATION ABORTION IS ILLEGAL UNDER THIS LAW AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, NOT JUST IMPACT ON ABORTION BUTT IMPACT ON THE FEAR FACTOR.

THE MISINFORMATION FACTOR.

THE CHAOS IT CREATES FOR PHYSICIANS, NURSES AND PHARMACISTS.

HOSPITALS RISK MANAGERS.

EVERYBODY THAT TOUCHES THE POTENTIAL PATIENTS ARE THE FEAR LEVEL AM I GOING TO BE CRIMINALIZED.

WHETHER AN INTENTIONAL ABORTION OR OTHER CARE FALLING UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

>> EVEN WITH THE GONER SAYING IT WILL NOT HAPPEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYING I WILL PUT HIM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN CHARGE AND SAYING I'M NOT ENFORCING THIS.

JOT FEAR FACTOR EXISTS BECAUSE THE NARRATIVE EXISTS.

RIGHT?

WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ENFORCEABILITY PIECE WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEY MAY DOM IN THE MIDST OF THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS LEGAL AND NOT LEGAL AND WILL AND WILL NOT BE ENFORCED THAT FEAR FACTOR EXISTS.

DISCOURAGEMENT OF MEDICAL STUDENTSES TO GO IN THE FIELDS THAT ARE UNDER SERVED.

PEOPLE WANTING TO TRAIN IN ARIZONA.

PRACTICE IN ARIZONA.

THAT DAMAGE IS BEGINNING.

WE SEEN THAT IN OTHER SIMILAR STATES WITH SIMILAR LAWS.

WE ARE IN A PLACE WE NEED PHYSICIANS AND PROVIDE AND PROVIDERS FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE THESE CHANCES.

LAST QUESTION HERE.

REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE IN GENERAL.

IN TOTAL.

HOW IS IT AFFECTED BY THIS THING?

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THE 64 LAW THE 1864 SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT?

MOST BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

UNTIL IT HAPPEN ITS IS THERE AND REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH SERVICE ARE AFFECTED HOW >> IT IS THERE AND GO IN AFFECT IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS.

IMPACT ON THE FEAR FACTOR EXISTS.

IMPACT ON FOLKSMENTING TO PRACTICE IN THE STATE AND TRAIN.

RECEIVE TRAINING IN THE STATE.

>> RESEARCH.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND ALSO WHAT IS CRITICAL IS NOT JUST FROM THE ABORTION CARE BUT THE WIDE VARIETY OF WOMEN'S HEALTH SERVICES WILL BE IMPACTED IF WE DON'T HAVE PROVIDERS.

MANY OF THE SERVICE WILL NOT HAVE CARE FOR AND THEN ALSO THE WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF CARE AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT THOSE FOLKS THE MOST IMPACTED ARE RURAL COMMUNES AND OF COLOR >> COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS GOOD TO HAVE YOU THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> THE ARIZONA COYOTES RELOCATE TO SALT LAKE CITY THE CITY IS TAKING A HIT AND OTHERS ARE NOT SURE.

AMONG THOSE NOT CONVINCED IS DAVE LIST, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THE KOITSZ LEAVING HOW BIG OF DEAL >> IT IS A SMALL IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY >> ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCE ARE SMALL IMPACT.

EXPLAIN, >> SO, WE DON'T HAVE FULL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS.

FOR THE MOST PART.

PEOPLE'S ENTERTAINMENT DOLLARS ARE SET IF YOU SPENDS 250 DOLLARS TO GO TO A COYOTES GAME WITH A FRIENDS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TO SPENDS ON SOMETHING ELSE.

IF THE COYOTES ARE NOT AROUND EVERAROUND MOST WILL SPENDS IT LOCALLY ON SOMETHING ELSE.

WHAT WE ASSUMED WAS THAT 1500 LIKE SUPER SOLID COYOTES FANS PER GAME OF THEY WILL NOT SPENDS THAT MONEY IN THE VALLEY.

HOW WOULD THAT PLAY OUT.

AND WE BROKE THEM TO 3 GROUPS.

ONE WHERE PEOPLE LIKE 5 HUH HUMAN OF THEM JUST GO TO THE GAME AND SPENDS THE MONEY ON TICKETS AND PARKING.

AND 800 SPEND 25 DOLLARS OUTSIDE THE ARENA PLUS THE GAME AND YOU GOT MAY BE 200 PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE VALLEY JUST TO SEE THAT GAME.

AND THEY SPENDS 400 TO SPENDS TWO NIGHTS YOU PUT THAT TOGETHER, ALONG WITH THE FACT THE VISITING TEAM IS NOT HERE YOU GIVE OUT 17 MILLION DOLLARS OF AN IMPACT WHICH IS.

004%.

>> BUT AGAIN.

I GHAET, THAT IS 1500.

I ARGUE THERE MAY BE A FEW MORE.

WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE CANADIAN VISITORS WHO COME HERE, WE KNOW THAT THEY LOVE ARIZONA.

ONE THING THEY LOVE ABOUT ARIZONA OTHER COYOTES.

HOCKEY TEAM THEY WATCH THE CANADA TEAMS PLAY.

YOU GOT EXECUTIVES WITH THE COYOTES.

BIG MONEY FOLKS.

YOU GOT PLAYERS WITH THE COYOTES.

THEY ARE BIG MONEY FOLKS BUY BIG HOMES AND PAY BIG TAXES DOES THIS FACTOR IN?

>> I'M FOCUSING ON THE INCOME COMING IN.

THE VISITORS THE CANADIAN VISITORS THE THING IS IF THEY COME.

I'M A RED SOCK FANNIL SEE WHEN THEY PLAY THE DIAMOND BACKS.

PEOPLE COME AND EXPECT THE ATTENDANCE FOR THOSE GAMES FOR WESTERN CANADIAN TEAMS LIKE THE OILER WOULD BE HIGHER.

I LOOKED FOR 3 SCIENCE BEFORE COVID HIT.

AND I DID IN THE FIND DIFFERENCE IN THE AVERAGE ATTENDANCE BETWEEN WHEN THE 4 CANADIAN TEAMS WERE THERE AND ANYBODY ELSE WAS THERE.

I DON'T SEE THAT SURGE.

I DON'T SEE THAT BIG IMPACT THERE IS NO DENYING CAN DANCE LOVE ARIZONA AND COME IN DROVES WILL THEY KEEP COMING HERE.

LAS VEGAS WHERE A TEAM A COUPLE IN CALIFORNIA.

TEXAS AND FLORIDA TEAMS.

KSDZ IT IMPACT TOURISM IN WAYS WE DON'T KNOW?

>> I'M NOT I SHOULD SEE THIS DIFFERENCE IN THE ATTENDANCE.

I DON'T SEE DIFFERENCE IN THE ATTENDANCE.

COYOTES ARE NOT ALWAYS A GOOD TEAM.

BUT YOU KNOW THERE WILL BE LOSS AND THE PLAYERS SALARIES NOT TAXED THAT WOULD BE OVER A MISSION HIT TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE STATE.

THEY ARE SMALL IMPACTS IN THE GREATER SCHEME.

GI SEEN 200 MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE WHAT THE TEAM GENERATES YOU DISPUTE THAT FIGURE.

>> THAT IS OFF THAT IS WHEN THEY DO IN A GROSS SPACE YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT OTHERS WILL SPEND MONEY INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE COYOTES.

THE TEAMS GET PUBLICITY AND PEOPLE FOLLOW THEM.

THEY ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT.

BUT THEY ARE A SMALL PART OF THE ECONOMY UNLESS YOU TALK ABOUT A FINAL 4 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

A SMALL PART AND ESPECIALLY FOR HOCK AND HE BASKETBALL GAMES COME FOR THOSE THINGS FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL IS DIFFERENT >> I KNOW YOU REFERRED TO THAT IS THERE NOT -- IN TERMS OF THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THINGS I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY.

CAN YOU QUANTIFY THAT AND WHAT DO YOU FINDS IT?

>> ASSUMED A 2.1 DOLLAR MULTIPLIER EVERY DOLLAR THEY CONTRIBUTES NET OTHER FACTORS HAPPEN.

ANOTHER DOLLAR THAT REVERBERATES IN THE ECONOMY.

AND SO THAT IS THEY DID INCLUDE THAT.

>> AS FAR AS WHAT TEMPE VOTERS TURNED DOWN THE AREIN IT IS A DUMP THERE BETTER OR WORSE IT IS AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY WANTS IT.

COYOTESMENTED IT VOTERS SAID NO YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS VOTE?

>> WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND OUR BASE WAS TO COMPARE THE SUBSIDY THE COYOTES WERE GETTING COMPARED TO ADDED REVENUE FROM TEMPE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE VALLEY GOT.

REVENUE COMING INFORM WE FOUND FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT COYOTES GENERATED IT WOULD BE AN EXTRA 1.70.

IT WOULD IN THE BE COST EFFECTIVE.

>> WOULD THERE BE A THING AS DEVELOPER MAKING IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE CONSIDERING WHAT NEEDS TO BE THE MEDIATION THERE.

IT IS A DUMP.

NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT IS CAN YOU ARE THEY GOING TO GET A DEAL AT THAT INTERSECTION.

>> THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS.

THEY PUT THE 46 ACRES UP.

AND COULD BREAK THAT IN SMALLER PIECE.

OTHER THINGS THE OFFICE MARKETS GOT A PLAY OUT.

BECAUSE OF LIKE A LOT ARE VACANT >> LAST QUESTION.

HOTELS, TOURISM AND RESTAURANTS YOU SAY NO BIG LOSS.

THEY ARE NOT A BIG FACTOR?

>> NO.

IT IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR HOTEL.

WE HAVE A SEASONAL AND STILL HAVE TOURISM.

PEOPLE STILL GO TO RESTAURANTS JUST NOTICE A GAME TO DO THAT >> THEY WILL NOT TO DO THAT.

DAVE LIST, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, APPRECIATE IT.

>> GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> 2024 MARKS 50 YEARS THE DISCOVERY LUCIE THE OLDEST REMAINS OF HUMAN ANCESTOR FOUND.

DISCOVERED BY PAIL TOLOGIST JOINING US THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DISCOVERY.

>> DON, GOOD TO I HAVE THANK YOU FOR JOINING YOU US.

>> IT IS A PLEASURE, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU BET.

50TH ANNIVERSARY OF LUCIE'S DISCOVERY.

FIRST OF ALL, WHO WAS LUCIE?

>> LUCIE WAS A HUMAN UPON ABCESTOR LIVED 3.2 MILLION YEARS AGO.

AND WAS NICE ENOUGH TO DIE IN THE EDGE OF A LAKE.

AND BE COVER IN THE SAND AND FOSSILIZED FOR 3.2 MILLION YEARS AND I CAME ALONG IN 1974, ON NOVEMBER 24, AND GLANCED OVER MY SHOULDER AND SAW A PIECE OF HER ELBOW.

AND WHEN I NEILED DOWN TO LOOK I KNEW IT WAS NOT FROM A MONKEY OR ANTELOPE.

HAD TO BE FROM A HUMAN ANCESTOR >> WHY DID YOU THINK THAT.

THE ANATOMY.

WE SPENDS OUR DAY IN LABS STUDYING THE SHAPE OF BONES AND ANATOMY AND FUNCTION.

I COULD TELL THIS HAD TO BE A HUMAN.

IT WAS SO TINY THAT IT WAS SURPRISING.

AND AS I LOCKED UP THIS I SAW PIECES IN THE SUN.

110 DEGREES OR SOMETHING IN THE DESERTS OF ETHIOPIA.

I SAW JAW.

I COULD SEE A BIT OF ARM.

I COULD SEE LEG AND REALIZED AT THAT MOMENT THIS WAS PART OF A SKELETON OF A HUMANN CESTOR WHO LIVED AND WALKED ON THAT LANDSCAPE 3.2 MILLION YEARS AGO.

>> DU KNOW IT WAS A HUMAN ANCESTOR YET DEFINED?

>> NO, I DID NOT WHO SHE WAS.

WE GIVE ALL OF THE COMPLICATED NAME TO THE FOSSILS AND -- BUT THERE WERE ASPECTS OF HER TEETH, WHICH ARE CHANGE A BIT OVER TIME.

AND I COULD SEE THAT IT LOOKS MORE APE LIKE AND 4 YEARS LATER SHE WAS ANNOUNCED WITH A REAL TONGUE TWISTER OF A NAME.

HOLY SMOKES.

AFTER THE REGION WHERE SHE WAS DISCOVERED.

WE WILL STICK WITH LUCIE, HOW TALL WAS LOUIS SNELL >> THAT WAS THE THING LOOKS AT THE LENGTH OF HER THIGH BONE IT WAS THE LENGTH OF A RULER THE QUESTION WAS, WAS THIS A CHILD?

WE LOOKED AT THE TEETH AND THE WISDOM TEETH WERE ERUPTED SHE WAS AN ADULT AND FULL STATURE 3-1/2 FEET TALL >> WOW.

FROM WHEN I READ SHE COULD WALK UPRIGHT.

BUT HAD THE BONES AND FINGERS SUGGESTED SHE WAS A TREE DWELLER, TRUE?

>> NO.

HER HANDS THEY HAD CURVED BONES MAY BE AN EVOLUTIONARY HANG OVER.

WHEN AN SHE WAS UPRIGHT ON 2 LEGS AS YOU AND I ARE.

>> WOW.

HOW OLD WAS SHE DO YOU WHENNING SHE DIED?

THE ESTIMATES THE PEOPLE WHO STUDY THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TEETH THINK SHE WAS ONLY ABOUT 11 YEARS OLD 10 OR 11 WHEN SHE DIED.

>> INTERESTING.

3.2 MILLION YEARS.

FOR IT IS HARD FOR US TO FATHOM HOW DO YOU KNOW?

THERE IS A VOLCANIC ASH LAYER NEAR HER IN THE GEOLOGY.

AND THERE ARE CRYSTAL IN THAT ASH THAT CAN BE DATED.

SO SHE IS 3.29 MILLION YEARS.

NOT THE BONE THEMSELVES BUT IS SURROUNDING THE BONES.

>> YOU CAN'T DATE BONES THAT OLD.

CARBON 14 GUESS BACK TO 45,000 YEARS >> THAT'S ALL.

THIS DISCOVERY, AND THE IDEAS AND JUST THEORIES OF HUMAN EVOLUTION HOW DID LUCIE CHANGE THOSE IDEAS?

>> LUCIE BROUGHT ABOUT A NEW PERSPECTIVE.

IT BROKE THE 3 MILLION YEAR TIME BARRIER OTHERS WENT BACK TO 3 MILLION BUT VERY FEW OF HUMAN ANCESTOR LIVED BEFORE 3 MILLION YEARS.

WHAT SHE DID WAS HAD US REDRAW THE HUMAN FAMILY TREE.

SHAPE OF THE TREE.

WE BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS THE LAST COMMON ANCESTOR THAT LEAD TO OUR OWN GENEOUS HOMO, LATIN FOR MAN AND A BRANCH OF ONE THAT DIED OUT.

SHE WAS AN IMPORTANT DISCOVERY OF A NEW UNIQUE SPECIES.

>> AND THERE WERE OTHER BONES FOUND OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SPECIES IN THE SAME AREA?

>> YES.

THE FOLLOWING YEAR, IN 75, WE FOUND A COLLECTION OF BONES THAT WERE SEALED IN A SINGLE VERIZON OF INFANTS, MALES, FEMALES, MALES WERE LARGER UP TO 5 FEET TALL.

YOUNG INDIVIDUALS, OLD INDIVIDUALS.

SO WE HAVE A GOOD PRISHTH OF THE ANATOMY OF THIS SPECIES.

JUE MENTIONED IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND OUT SOMETHING AT THE 3 MILLION BARRIER, WHY DO YOU THINK?

AN ICE AGE?

ANOTHER VOLCANIC THING THAT MADE FOR SOMETHING LIKE WITH THE METEOR HITTING THE 65 MILLION DOLLARS DINOSAUR GOING, DID SOMETHING HAPPEN ALONG THOSE LINES?

>> WE CAN TRACE THE HUMAN LINEAGE BACK TO SICK MILLION YEARS TWICE THE AGE OF LUCIE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN LOOK NOTHING OLDER SEDIMENTS.

PLACE LIKE OLDER GEORGE WELL KNOWN IT MOST VIEWERS.

AND THAT TAX US BACK TO 1.8 MILLION AND A FEW OTHERS TO 2-1/2.

BUT ONCE WE GOT TO 3 MILLION THERE WERE FEW CITES BECAUSE OF GEOLOGIST RECOGNIZED AND ASKED ME TO JOIN HIM THAT WE MADE THE DISCOVERIES.

>> I GOTTA ASK, WHY THE NAME, LUCIE?

>> WE WERE CELEBRATING AS YOU IMAGINE ANTHROPOLOGIST GETS EXCITE WHEN THIS IS FOUND.

AND WE WERE LISTEN TO A BEETLE'S TAPE IN CAMP AND LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS WAS PLAYING AND SOMEONE SUGGESTED YOU THINK IT IS A FEMALE.

ANYTHING THAT SHORT HAS TO BE A FEMALE.

AND SHE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU CALL HER LUCIE AFTER LUCIE IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS >> FANTASTIC.

LAST QUESTION I CAN ASK YOU SO MANY IT IS FASCINATING.

THE LAST FROM ME IS, WHAT ARE THE KINDSES OF QUESTIONS MOST FRACTURE QUESTIONS YOU ARE ASKED ABOUT LUCIE?

>> I THINK THAT THE MOST ARE HOW DO WE KNOW HOW OLD SHE WAS.

HOW IS SHE RELATED TO OTHER ANIMALS THAT WERE LIVING AT THAT TIME?

WHAT WORLD DID SHE LIVE IN?

WHAT DID SHE HAVE FOR A DIET?

WHO IS HER ANCESTOR AND WE ARE FIGUREING OUT AT THE INSTITUTE OF HUMAN ORIGINS.

FANTASTIC STUFF.

ASU INSTITUTE OF HUMAN ORIGINS.

SHE WAS 3.2 MILLION YEARS FOR YOU TO FINDS HER.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THAT IS IT.

I'M TED SIMONS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.