to abuse accusations made against the late labor leader, Cesar Chavez.

New York Times investigation last week found Chavez groomed and sexually abuse young girls who worked in his movement along with Union co-founder Dolores Huerta.

95 year-old Huerta says she kept her silence for 60 years out of fear of harming the movement in response to the allegations, cities across the country, including Chicago, have been grappling with removing his name from Parks and other landmarks.

Joining us now are Angela Anderson, president and CEO of New head is that he doesn't actually own Samantha Royal institutional Advancement director with the Latino Union of Chicago resume State Representative Norma Hernandez, a Democrat whose district includes Melrose Park Bentonville and Franklin Park among others.

Thanks to all 3 of you for joining us.

So obviously, this this investigation and breaks last week with these disturbing details hard to process it first, right?

Because this new Mary News.

I want to get your initial reactions upon hearing Angeles.

Let's start with you, please.

>> I think first and foremost, we're devastated.

You know, we're really thinking about the survivors.

Rethink about Deborah, reading about the lot is we're thinking about everybody else who's had to be silent.

Maybe just happened recently.

Maybe it's they've been holding it for a long time.

And I hope, you know, the way the community has reacted, that they feel accompanied.

Yes, I think.

>> This only shows us that.

Even though we have our in modern times, there's still a lot of fear about and around situations, especially within woman within children.

There are victims of this and now better than ever we can.

for those have raised their voices.

Representative, some question to you.

Yeah, I mean Want anyone here seeing really shocked.

>> But Moore shocked about how long it, you know, women have been having to hold inside and protecting the movement even though it's hurting them inside to keep the silence.

So just really shocked disappointed because women are always having to, you suffer in silence.

And I'm just grateful that they're not being able to open and use your voice for this moment.

>> Representative say more about that about feeling the need to protect the movement's and by that degree feeling the need to protect the man.

>> I mean, did you know when we think about even now when we do this work, it's it's not just one person writes about a bigger picture and further notice, for example, in the other women to spoke up, it was a selfless thing to do think about themselves.

First and to think about others and to protect the bigger picture, even though it's killing them inside to keep silence.

And it's something that's a pattern, culturally with woman of color interview.

somehow women end up having to suffer morning incense silenced and having to protect themselves protect others.

>> Enjoy your organization has looking isn't actually own you work with survivors of gender-based violence toward us with us as she was that she remain silent for 60 years as we've set out of fear of hurting the movement.

What are some of the obstacles that survivors that they face when when they think about avoid sharing your encounters?

There's so many obstacles from shame from fear of retaliation.

You know, if you're a woman with limited resources.

>> You know your family, your children can be put at risk, you know, just even being able to provide and have what you need a roof over your head.

There's so many factors, think, coach early, you know, we grown up with so many others silent around us into one.

We don't talk about it and we don't have a model of how to speak up for ourselves.

It makes it even that more difficult some of these instances happened at a time when wind like you say victims, survivors were treated the way you describe harder to come forward.

Even then yes.

>> Samantha, the World Health Organization estimates one in 3 women and girls ages 15 and older worldwide have been subjected to physical and or intimate partner violence non partner, violence or both at least once in their lifetime.

>> 263 million girls and women age 15 and older experiencing violence from someone other than a partner at least once in a lifetime.

What do you think perpetuates this kind of violence?

What we know?

>> I think as a here was mentioned, there's a lot of cultural factors.

There's a lot of social factors of Purpa tweet.

This actions.

And it's also that this respect that has been historically against woman men society.

We live in a system that it's a preserve of woman woman's rights, women's health.

And so all of that, it's part the problem that puts woman and dispositions of being vulnerable.

>> Representative Hernandez, how do you think this news will impact the legacy of the Farmers United Movement?

>> Well, I think it impacts and legacy of Cesar Chavez, but I also believe that one person doesn't mean the entire movement and there's many new leaders and leaders are still doing their own amazing work in creating their own legacies.

>> So I think it's important to highlight that more that this is the one person, you know, get this impacts Cesar Chavez's legacy, but it has an impact.

The former his movement because the movement comes from many.

And it's important always remember that.

>> Angeles in question, you have think that the movements and its legacy, the memory will be impacted.

>> I mean, I think for me, I'm thinking more about how it effects, how we organize, how we hold each other accountable.

How do we even hold power?

You know, whether we are the leader, whether we're leading a group of women, whether wear, you know, trying to organize people and get them to volunteer.

So what are the messages and how can we recalibrate how we communicate and reflect on the impact that we have on one another so that that we can build safety.

And if there's an event and that they know what's appropriate and what's not appropriate so that they can stand up for themselves and let other people know that this isn't have to happen again.

Samantha's, in questions like how is some, you know, someone with Latino Union?

How do how do you think the legacy will be impacted?

It's definitely that that.

>> The power this not only led by one person.

The movement is not only led by one person is collective power.

The union of different leaders.

And so first and foremost, the recognition of that and just 2 replicate what it was said just to be educated and to protect who has to be protected and to expose who has to be exposed.

It's not about exposing or leaving the movement to the side.

It's about individuals.

Damaging to movement.

Representative Hernandez, how do you think community should handle the naming or renaming of schools and other memorials in his honor?

>> Now that this has come to light.

>> Yeah, I mean, signifies accountability.

We saw this happened during the 2020.

But Senator movement where statues are being taken down, so it's a sign of accountability.

Obviously, there's many other instances with other leaders and we know have caused some damage to others and their stances are still there.

But I think for the for this moment meant to signify accountability and and I agree, you know what needs to get do needs to get done.

Angela, what might justice look like for the survivors?

>> I better believe there is justice for the survivors.

They have to live with the wound for the rest of their lives.

I think if we have to look at it through the lens of just it's I think how do we work with our legal system so they have more rights and resources available to them when they need them.

Also, how do put into question the behavior and patterns of men been sort of, you know, in a condition by patriarchy and also different privileges.

Its it's more.

I think I want to focus on the hearing right?

How do we get past healing while being wounded at the same time?

And I think we can get past that we can kind of look at broader horizon.

>> This man you know, how do you have sort of reconcile flick, the man that so many people revered right with what we now know about him.

How do you have you hold those 2 things in one person.

I think its important too.

believe.

The victim in this case, the victims 100% because they have nothing to lose.

The one thing that they have to lose.

Apparently in the past.

They did a last stand.

This is just like I think since he's been such a long time and such different times, it is one thing to to hold on.

Representative Hernandez in question to you.

How to you.

How do you know how hold these these 2 things that you know about about one man does what you know about him now, take away from what he did from the from the positive legacy that he also leaves.

I think, you when it comes him and his actions separating what happened with the movement.

>> again, it was a collective of people that he had been to be a part of as well and had help lead.

And I think at point to recognize descent.

But at the same time, how much abuse occurred during the moments that he was doing that?

I think that also educated and told so we have to call that for for what it is and that education piece and it will have to come with that as well.

We can no longer hide that he was.

Dispersant into any of that.

So I do believe requires to understand, yes, he was able to get accomplished.

This this word.

But at the same time, there was a lot of harm that was done by his actions as well.

>> He's definitely not the same leader anymore.

He's an abuser.

He's a predator and he is a model now that we're going to have to keep in mind when we watch out for other predators and abusers in our community.

that hard to come to?

It's already because unfortunately, the data tells us that there's so many abusers out there and there are many other cases, as we've seen at the Epstein files, we see how families are being abused in ICE detention and so forth.

He's not a stand-alone by his violations towards people in our community.

That is what we'll have to leave Thanks to the 3 of you for joining us Angela Anderson, Samantha Royal and Representative Norm or Hernandez.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

>> And we're back to wrap things up right after this.

>> Reflecting the people